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Ugotabe Kidding

11-04-2004, 06:01 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Unacceptable! :vom: [/b][/quote]
As a black man, you should appreciate how it feels to be discriminated against. I don't think gays have a choice to be gay(in most cases) therefore, I can't hate on them. Not saying I'm some gay activist, but they should be allowed to live their lives. They're people too. [/b][/quote]
Exactly. This is like asking whether or not being black is acceptaple, therefore, I don't see much point to this thread.

A question like "Does homosexuality disgust you" or something like that would be better (my answer there would be yes), but I think every fellow who is against discrimination should answer 'acceptable' here

ElTerrible

11-04-2004, 06:05 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>How is deeming it unacceptable not persecuting them? What do you care? Unless some guy is constantly waving his dick in your face, I don't see why it should bother or affect you in any way.[/b][/quote]
:cheek:

:cheek:

:cheek:

:Frank-ILLUMINATI:

:ontome:

:D

I agree

mike_dave

11-04-2004, 06:05 PM

panchyprsss

11-04-2004, 06:25 PM

God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life.

Buddy Rydell

11-04-2004, 06:37 PM

It's like saying "evolution---right or wrong, acceptable or unacceptable". :D

Scientific studies have shown that brain activity, specifically electrical activity and biochemical activity, is different in some homosexuals. As many gay people claim to have been born that way, it's quite likely that they don't have a choice.

It's like saying:

"light skin: right or wrong"

"freckles: right or wrong"

Sexuality, as long as it doesn't involve criminal acts, is nobody's business but the individual in question.

boxerpuncher

11-04-2004, 06:40 PM

ArturoGatti

11-04-2004, 06:40 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> It's like saying "evolution---right or wrong, acceptable or unacceptable". :D

Scientific studies have shown that brain activity, specifically electrical activity and biochemical activity, is different in some homosexuals. As many gay people claim to have been born that way, it's quite likely that they don't have a choice.

It's like saying:

"light skin: right or wrong"

"freckles: right or wrong"

Sexuality, as long as it doesn't involve criminal acts, is nobody's business but the individual in question. [/b][/quote]
What about letting a WOMAN fuck you in the ass with a strap on dildo?

Nothing wrong with that neither, right? :ontome:

boxerpuncher

11-04-2004, 06:41 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote]
How about Eve and Gloria? Or are you not thinking that when you're probably at times sitting down watching two women go at it on film or something.

MassaCure

11-04-2004, 06:42 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Unacceptable!Â* :vom: [/b][/quote]
As a black man, you should appreciate how it feels to be discriminated against. I don't think gays have a choice to be gay(in most cases) therefore, I can't hate on them. Not saying I'm some gay activist, but they should be allowed to live their lives. They're people too. [/b][/quote]
Ditto. [/b][/quote]
yall two make a cute couple

panchyprsss

11-04-2004, 06:46 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote]
How about Eve and Gloria? Or are you not thinking that when you're probably at times sitting down watching two women go at it on film or something. [/b][/quote]
Woman on woman is disgusting too. I used the Adam & Steve example to cover the whole gay issue. Not to pinpoint to a single group (male wyh male).

mike_dave

11-04-2004, 06:46 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote]
How about Eve and Gloria? Or are you not thinking that when you're probably at times sitting down watching two women go at it on film or something. [/b][/quote]
Woman on woman is disgusting too. I used the Adam & Steve example to cover the whole gay issue. Not to pinpoint to a single group (male wyh male). [/b][/quote]
although easier on the eyes, i dont like woman on woman either

boxerpuncher

11-04-2004, 06:47 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Unacceptable!Â* :vom: [/b][/quote]
As a black man, you should appreciate how it feels to be discriminated against. I don't think gays have a choice to be gay(in most cases) therefore, I can't hate on them. Not saying I'm some gay activist, but they should be allowed to live their lives. They're people too. [/b][/quote]
Ditto. [/b][/quote]
yall two make a cute couple [/b][/quote]
Maybe you mean the 2 cats in your signature.

joebazooka

11-04-2004, 06:49 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> How is deeming it unacceptable not persecuting them? What do you care? Unless some guy is constantly waving his dick in your face, I don't see why it should bother or affect you in any way. [/b][/quote]
Deeming it unacceptable does not equate "persecution." Many people consider adultery unacceptable but not necessarily advocate persecution of adulterous people.

Clarity, fellows. Clarity. :wink:

animal

11-04-2004, 06:51 PM

I agree with panchy, except I dont believe its a choice in most cases. I accept THEM, but not assertations that its normal, and equal to heterosexual relationships.

panchyprsss

11-04-2004, 06:53 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> It's like saying "evolution---right or wrong, acceptable or unacceptable". :D

Scientific studies have shown that brain activity, specifically electrical activity and biochemical activity, is different in some homosexuals. As many gay people claim to have been born that way, it's quite likely that they don't have a choice.

It's like saying:

"light skin: right or wrong"

"freckles: right or wrong"

Sexuality, as long as it doesn't involve criminal acts, is nobody's business but the individual in question. [/b][/quote]
Sociopaths like serial killers have different brain activity too.
They didn't chose to be killers. They were born like that.

Right. bs)

boxerpuncher

11-04-2004, 06:54 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote]
How about Eve and Gloria? Or are you not thinking that when you're probably at times sitting down watching two women go at it on film or something. [/b][/quote]
Woman on woman is disgusting too. I used the Adam & Steve example to cover the whole gay issue. Not to pinpoint to a single group (male wyh male). [/b][/quote]
Okay just checking cause I know previously when this issue came about there was a guy who sounded just like you and this Socrates on the one hand and then out of the other side of his mouth said that he loves to watch and gets turned on by the unatural act of two women licking each other.

CleanYourClock

11-04-2004, 06:56 PM

I don't give a rats ass if someone is gay. Doesn't bother me ...

However , I don't think they should get married - marriage is for famililes & children.
Why would they want to get married anyway - tax breaks .....

I also don't beleive they should be allowed to adopt. Kids aren't pets and besides a child should not be forced into a same sex enviornment that can possibly or most likely have a negative effect no-matter how loving the gay parents can be.

Buddy Rydell

11-04-2004, 07:10 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> How is deeming it unacceptable not persecuting them? What do you care? Unless some guy is constantly waving his dick in your face, I don't see why it should bother or affect you in any way. [/b][/quote]
Deeming it unacceptable does not equate "persecution." Many people consider adultery unacceptable but not necessarily advocate persecution of adulterous people.

Clarity, fellows. Clarity. :wink: [/b][/quote]
That's because adultery is grounds for divorce, and except for so-called "open" relationships, adultery is certainly punishable in a family court of law. Adulterers can be sued for divorce and they can have greatly reduced custody rights as a result.

Now one might say that homosexuality is grounds for divorce, and they would be right if the homosexuality in question occurs between a man and woman who both claimed to be heterosexual when they were married. If a spouse suddenly states that they are homosexual, then that is also grounds for divorce in a heterosexual union under at least one statute, namely irreconciliable differences.

One cannot be prosecuted in a civil court, state court, municipal court, or federal court if they confess to being homosexual. You cannot make a truly valid comparison between homosexuality and adultery.

Baron

11-04-2004, 07:42 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote]
I thought God created everything! Unless you try to tell us Satan is behind homosexuality! :D

I always find it funny when people bring God in these topics, how the hell could you know what God had in mind when he created the world?

Free Ike (old)

11-04-2004, 08:09 PM

joebazooka

11-04-2004, 09:20 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> How is deeming it unacceptable not persecuting them? What do you care? Unless some guy is constantly waving his dick in your face, I don't see why it should bother or affect you in any way. [/b][/quote]
Deeming it unacceptable does not equate "persecution." Many people consider adultery unacceptable but not necessarily advocate persecution of adulterous people.

Clarity, fellows. Clarity. :wink: [/b][/quote]
That's because adultery is grounds for divorce, and except for so-called "open" relationships, adultery is certainly punishable in a family court of law. Adulterers can be sued for divorce and they can have greatly reduced custody rights as a result.

Now one might say that homosexuality is grounds for divorce, and they would be right if the homosexuality in question occurs between a man and woman who both claimed to be heterosexual when they were married. If a spouse suddenly states that they are homosexual, then that is also grounds for divorce in a heterosexual union under at least one statute, namely irreconciliable differences.

One cannot be prosecuted in a civil court, state court, municipal court, or federal court if they confess to being homosexual. You cannot make a truly valid comparison between homosexuality and adultery. [/b][/quote]
Huh... Buddy? The word was "persecuted," not "prosecuted."
Thank you.

joebazooka

11-04-2004, 09:21 PM

Actually, "persecution..." Anyways. Same difference.

Buddy Rydell

11-04-2004, 09:28 PM

No, actually I was right, joebazooka. Adultery can help one get PROSECUTED if the offended party decides to sue for divorce! Here's your lesson for today:
************************************************** ********************************

prosecute is a transitive verb which means:

Law.
To initiate civil or criminal court action against.
To seek to obtain or enforce by legal action.

One would sue for divorce in a divorce court which is a legal court, joe. Hence they would be legally prosecuted if the case were successful for the opposing party.

As for persecute:

perÂ·seÂ·cute
To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs.
To annoy persistently; bother.

************************************************** *******************************

Study hard! There's a pop quiz tomorrow! :D

Dubblechin

11-04-2004, 09:29 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote]
"God" didn't CREATE anyone, let alone Adam and Eve.

We're the product of evolution.

Once you realize that, things become a lot clearer.

Dubblechin

Buddy Rydell

11-04-2004, 09:30 PM

I am, of course, using the word "prosecuted" in the passive verb tense and not the active. :D

Punk

11-04-2004, 09:34 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sociopaths like serial killers have different brain activity too.
They didn't chose to be killers. They were born like that.

Right. bs) [/b][/quote]
Actually that's correct, personality disorders such as antisocial (sociopath) are inherent not learned.

Free Ike (old)

11-04-2004, 09:36 PM

Buddy Rydell

11-04-2004, 09:39 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sociopaths like serial killers have different brain activity too.
They didn't chose to be killers. They were born like that.

Right. bs) [/b][/quote]
Actually that's correct, personality disorders such as antisocial (sociopath) are inherent not learned. [/b][/quote]
Punk, I'm a sociologist by trade, not a psychologist...but can't sociopathic or even psychopathic behaviour be learned as opposed to being inherent? I'm sure that there might be a natural inclination in that area, but years of abuse must certainly contribute to that type of behaviour. Most violent criminals experienced child abuse at the hands of their guardians when they were in their formative years.

joebazooka

11-04-2004, 09:54 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> No, actually I was right, joebazooka. Adultery can help one get PROSECUTED if the offended party decides to sue for divorce! Here's your lesson for today:
************************************************** ********************************

prosecute is a transitive verb which means:

Law.
To initiate civil or criminal court action against.
To seek to obtain or enforce by legal action.

One would sue for divorce in a divorce court which is a legal court, joe. Hence they would be legally prosecuted if the case were successful for the opposing party.

As for persecute:

perÂ·seÂ·cute
To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs.
To annoy persistently; bother.

************************************************** *******************************

Study hard! There's a pop quiz tomorrow! :D [/b][/quote]
Buddy, Buddy.... Buddy.... Stop! Rewind! Re-read! Use your head.

The word I and Jake were using was "persecution," not "prosecution."

You chimed into the conversation and started using the "prosecution" word. NOBODY was talking about that or asking for lessons in jurisprudence.

Capice? :D

animal

11-04-2004, 10:07 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sociopaths like serial killers have different brain activity too.
They didn't chose to be killers. They were born like that.

Right. bs) [/b][/quote]
Actually that's correct, personality disorders such as antisocial (sociopath) are inherent not learned. [/b][/quote] [/b][/quote]
Panchy himself said they had different brain activity, he wasnt saying they werent born with it, hes saying thats no excuse for KILLING. They were born sociopaths, but not murderers.

I think his point is, while homosexuals may be tweaked in the head, that doesnt excuse them of their actions, morally.

LATIN KING

11-04-2004, 10:08 PM

animal

11-04-2004, 10:09 PM

I think Buddy is right, I believe, to an extent, that sociopathic behaviour can be learned.

Lack of empathy on the other hand, I think is a part of sociopathic behaviour that is innate.

Buddy Rydell

11-04-2004, 10:10 PM

Joey, joey, joey:
You quoted my post and then said the word is persecution. You quoted my post so I thought you were arguing about my argument. :D

You can't correct the point that I made because there was nothing wrong with it. Originally, I simply pointed out that a comparison between adultery and homosexuality is inherently wrong because it is like comparing apples and oranges.

I read what you said about adultery and homosexuality, then I clarified the difference because the two concepts cannot be compared fairly.

I "chimed in" because your comparison was flawed.

Capisca?

joebazooka

11-04-2004, 10:14 PM

Yes, Buddy is right. Sociopathic behaviour can be learned; just look at the Nazis. Environment is a powerful influence.

Also, sexual behaviour that usually escapes the norm can be "learned." Especially if, in time, it becomes socially accepted. The more tolerant a society becomes regarding deviant behaviour, the more frequent that behaviour will become. This is only logical.

And that's the reason many people oppose open tolerance of homosexua behaviour.

Punk

11-04-2004, 10:18 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Punk, I'm a sociologist by trade, not a psychologist...but can't sociopathic or even psychopathic behaviour be learned as opposed to being inherent? I'm sure that there might be a natural inclination in that area, but years of abuse must certainly contribute to that type of behaviour. Most violent criminals experienced child abuse at the hands of their guardians when they were in their formative years.[/b][/quote]
Violent behaviour can be and is learned, but the disorder itself apparently cannot.

Antisocials don't necessarily kill, they can be quite charming and normal. However they have a complete disregard for human feelings and the rights of others. Empathy is an unknown feeling to them, as is guilt or fear. There are no natural inherent barriers which stop them from antisocial behaviour, so you see people with this disorder being overrepresented in prisons and crime, being conmen and ripping people off, or just ruthless businessmen. Their brain patterns are different to a "normal" person, so psychologists theorise that it's an inherent disorder like schizophrenia.

Remember the guy down here who shot 35 people with an AR-15 a few years ago, Martin Bryant? He was classified antisocial. The dude chased women and little kids down and blew them away, and he was laughing about it. His upbringing was strange, but apparently not violent. He just couldn't give a fuck, and thought blasting people might be a fun way to kill time.

Here's the DSM description of it;

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>A. There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

(1) Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviours as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest.

(2) Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure.

(3) Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead

(4) Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults.

(5) Reckless disregard for safety of self or others.

(6) Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behaviour or honour financial obligations.

(7) Lack or remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalising having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

B. The individual is at least age 18 years.

C. There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.

D. The occurrence of antisocial behaviour is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode[/b][/quote]

Psychologists have also identified 3 areas of childhood that can indicate antisocial disorder. It's not in the DSM, but it's gaining credibility as a marker for it;

1. A head injury when young.
2. Pattern of continued arson or firelighting.
3. Bedwetting till abnormally advanced age.

Martin Bryant had all 3.

Buddy Rydell

11-04-2004, 10:20 PM

Joe is indeed correct; Buddy is right! :D

Punk

11-04-2004, 10:22 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Yes, Buddy is right. Sociopathic behaviour can be learned; just look at the Nazis. Environment is a powerful influence.

[/b][/quote]
True, but the Nazi regime allowed antisocials to rise to the top like cream whereby in normal society they are shunned. Ruthlessness was rewarded.

Buddy Rydell

11-04-2004, 10:26 PM

Good discussion, lads. This is rather fun to talk about.

Good to see that people can discuss this without "YOU'RE A FAG! YOUR MOTHER'S A WHORE!!! THIS FORUM NEEDS CHRISTIAN VALUES!!!! ALL HOMOS MUST DIE!!!" :D

joebazooka

11-04-2004, 10:28 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Joey, joey, joey:
You quoted my post and then said the word is persecution. You quoted my post so I thought you were arguing about my argument. :D

You can't correct the point that I made because there was nothing wrong with it. Originally, I simply pointed out that a comparison between adultery and homosexuality is inherently wrong because it is like comparing apples and oranges.

I read what you said about adultery and homosexuality, then I clarified the difference because the two concepts cannot be compared fairly.

I "chimed in" because your comparison was flawed.[/b][/quote]
No. My comparison was not flawed. You just screwed up but do not want to admit it.

This is what Jake said:

How is deeming it unacceptable not <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">persecuting </span>them?

To what I replied:

Deeming it unacceptable does not equate <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">"persecution."</span>

But then you stepped in with:

One cannot be <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">prosecuted </span>in a civil court, state court, municipal court, or federal court if they confess to being homosexual. You cannot make a truly valid comparison between homosexuality and adultery.

Buddy... you made a mistake. My comparison had nothing to do with <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">legality</span>, and it was perfectly OK. It had to do with MORAL acceptance, not with prosecutions and bull shit.

Society finds adultery unnacceptable, right? Right. But it does not necessarily <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">persecute </span>adulterers. (That was the word Jake was using...)

Society also finds homosexual behaviour unnacceptable. But not necessarily <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">persecutes</span> homosexuals.

This comparison is perfeclty valid. If you really are a sociologist, you should at least be smart enough to understand what I am trying to say. But I was not making a legal argument. I'm making a moral one.

I hope you finally understand.

Punk

11-04-2004, 10:28 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Good discussion, lads. This is rather fun to talk about.

Good to see that people can discuss this without "YOU'RE A FAG! YOUR MOTHER'S A WHORE!!! THIS FORUM NEEDS CHRISTIAN VALUES!!!! ALL HOMOS MUST DIE!!!" :D [/b][/quote]
Damn, forgot this was a "gay" thread. :angry:

Buddy Rydell

11-04-2004, 10:32 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Joey, joey, joey:
You quoted my post and then said the word is persecution. You quoted my post so I thought you were arguing about my argument. :D

You can't correct the point that I made because there was nothing wrong with it. Originally, I simply pointed out that a comparison between adultery and homosexuality is inherently wrong because it is like comparing apples and oranges.

I read what you said about adultery and homosexuality, then I clarified the difference because the two concepts cannot be compared fairly.

I "chimed in" because your comparison was flawed.[/b][/quote]
No. My comparison was not flawed. You just screwed up but do not want to admit it.

This is what Jake said:

How is deeming it unacceptable not <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">persecuting </span>them?

To what I replied:

Deeming it unacceptable does not equate <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">"persecution."</span>

But then you stepped in with:

One cannot be <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">prosecuted </span>in a civil court, state court, municipal court, or federal court if they confess to being homosexual. You cannot make a truly valid comparison between homosexuality and adultery.

Buddy... you made a mistake. My comparison had nothing to do with <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">legality</span>, and it was perfectly OK. It had to do with MORAL acceptance, not with prosecutions and bull shit.

Society finds adultery unnacceptable, right? Right. But it does not necessarily <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">persecute </span>adulterers. (That was the word Jake was using...)

Society also finds homosexual behaviour unnacceptable. But not necessarily <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">persecutes</span> homosexuals.

This comparison is perfeclty valid. If you really are a sociologist, you should at least be smart enough to understand what I am trying to say. But I was not making a legal argument. I'm making a moral one.

I hope you finally understand. [/b][/quote]
In addition to you hurting my feelings, I must humbly point out that you spelled "capisca" wrong. I forgive you...in addition to forgiving you for hurting my feelings and misunderstanding my point.

joebazooka

11-04-2004, 10:32 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote]
"God" didn't CREATE anyone, let alone Adam and Eve.

We're the product of evolution.

Once you realize that, things become a lot clearer.

Dubblechin [/b][/quote]
I don't know. When I think of you and the posts you make, "clarity" is not a word that pops into my mind.

joebazooka

11-04-2004, 10:33 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Joey, joey, joey:
You quoted my post and then said the word is persecution. You quoted my post so I thought you were arguing about my argument. :D

You can't correct the point that I made because there was nothing wrong with it. Originally, I simply pointed out that a comparison between adultery and homosexuality is inherently wrong because it is like comparing apples and oranges.

I read what you said about adultery and homosexuality, then I clarified the difference because the two concepts cannot be compared fairly.

I "chimed in" because your comparison was flawed.[/b][/quote]
No. My comparison was not flawed. You just screwed up but do not want to admit it.

This is what Jake said:

How is deeming it unacceptable not <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">persecuting </span>them?

To what I replied:

Deeming it unacceptable does not equate <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">"persecution."</span>

But then you stepped in with:

One cannot be <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">prosecuted </span>in a civil court, state court, municipal court, or federal court if they confess to being homosexual. You cannot make a truly valid comparison between homosexuality and adultery.

Buddy... you made a mistake. My comparison had nothing to do with <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">legality</span>, and it was perfectly OK. It had to do with MORAL acceptance, not with prosecutions and bull shit.

Society finds adultery unnacceptable, right? Right. But it does not necessarily <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">persecute </span>adulterers. (That was the word Jake was using...)

Society also finds homosexual behaviour unnacceptable. But not necessarily <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">persecutes</span> homosexuals.

This comparison is perfeclty valid. If you really are a sociologist, you should at least be smart enough to understand what I am trying to say. But I was not making a legal argument. I'm making a moral one.

I hope you finally understand. [/b][/quote]
In addition to you hurting my feelings, I must humbly point out that you spelled "capisce" wrong. I forgive you...in addition to forgiving you for hurting my feelings and misunderstanding my point. [/b][/quote]
And now you are going to go out and kill someone for the abuse I subjected you to.

I suggest you go and whack Dubblechimp.

Buddy Rydell

11-04-2004, 10:35 PM

If I really am a sociologist....tsk, tsk. Now you're getting insulting. :mellow:

joebazooka

11-04-2004, 10:35 PM

Buddy, what's your take on serial killers such as Jeffrey Dahmer?
I don't think the guy was abused as a child... Do you consider serial murderers as individuals suffering from a certain form of pathology?

joebazooka

11-04-2004, 10:40 PM

OK. I have to go now. I'll be back tomorrow. This is an interesting thread.

Oh, and by the way, I am against same sex marriage. Just in case you were wondering. Have a nice one guys.

animal

11-04-2004, 10:40 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Yes, Buddy is right. Sociopathic behaviour can be learned; just look at the Nazis. Environment is a powerful influence.

[/b][/quote]
True, but the Nazi regime allowed antisocials to rise to the top like cream whereby in normal society they are shunned. Ruthlessness was rewarded.[/b][/quote]
If homosexuals 'rose to the top', homosexuality celebrated, as in parades and gay marriage, as well as gay programming, would you say it stands to reason that homosexual behaviour would also become more than simply an odd variation in the brain, as it is considered?

Buddy Rydell

11-04-2004, 10:54 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Buddy, what's your take on serial killers such as Jeffrey Dahmer?
I don't think the guy was abused as a child... Do you consider serial murderers as individuals suffering from a certain form of pathology? [/b][/quote]
Suffering? You pose a rather difficult question! Plain and simple, he killed all those people. It would be hard for me to use the term "suffering" because he seemed to get enjoyment/satisfaction from his crime. As far as "suffering from a certain form of pathology", I have to think about who evaluated him. I would have to look at what end they were trying to achieve.

Was he responsible for the actions? Of course, physically.

Was he culpable? That's harder to say. I would have to say that I just don't have enough details about the court proceedings and his mental evaluation.

He SEEMED to know what he was doing, and he just didn't care. His case was so severe that it would be hard to believe that it could be treated with any kind of success.

Which begs the question: what should be done with an incurable psychopath? Keep him doped up and in a small cell with no hope of contact that might result in injury to another individual?

Buddy Rydell

11-04-2004, 11:15 PM

Well, after reading up a bit on him, it is obvious that he knew or at least believed he knew what he was doing was wrong and he did it anyway. When he was arrested for child molestation he admitted that he knew what he was doing and blamed it on his alcoholism. He told the judge what he thought the judge wanted to hear and then he started killing people much more frequently after receiving a light sentence that included "work release".

He may have been genetically predisposed towards his behaviour, but he himself was a psychopath who stated he knew what he was doing when he committed crimes. He stated that himself when he was busted for child molestation.

Mr Roboto

11-04-2004, 11:28 PM

Fine with me. Live and let live.

cdogg187

11-04-2004, 11:37 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Unacceptable! :vom: [/b][/quote]
As a black man, you should appreciate how it feels to be discriminated against. I don't think gays have a choice to be gay(in most cases) therefore, I can't hate on them. Not saying I'm some gay activist, but they should be allowed to live their lives. They're people too. [/b][/quote]
Exactly!

People who hate homosexuals have one-way minds.

When you say "They're just people like you and me, they should be able to do whatever us straight folks do"

They say "Fag! Godless heathen!"

It's absurd. I can't imagine worrying about wether or not somebody is gay.

cdogg187

11-04-2004, 11:37 PM

cdogg187

11-04-2004, 11:38 PM

Mr Roboto

11-04-2004, 11:38 PM

cdogg187

11-04-2004, 11:41 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote]
I thought God created everything! Unless you try to tell us Satan is behind homosexuality! :D

I always find it funny when people bring God in these topics, how the hell could you know what God had in mind when he created the world? [/b][/quote]
Because a book written by a bunch of GUYS, a few thousand years ago, tells them so. :YeahRight:

cdogg187

11-04-2004, 11:44 PM

Free Ike (old)

11-05-2004, 12:02 AM

I gotta tell you all. When I see gays kissing it turns my stomach. I find it disgusting and vile. However, it does not affect me. Who am I to tell people who to love. It is just stupid. I got news for you idiotic so called Christians. If Jesus were alive, he would hang out with homos, poor people, aids victims, aids patients who got aids from buttfuckign and killer H. Those would be his people. He would probably burn Cathedrals and TV Evangelisists. Jesus was the hero for the losers. Not the fucking corporate prude you idiots hold him out to be. I think Jesus was a cool dude. Too bad you Christians fucked his message up.

cdogg187

11-05-2004, 12:08 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I gotta tell you all. When I see gays kissing it turns my stomach. I find it disgusting and vile. However, it does not affect me. Who am I to tell people who to love. It is just stupid. I got news for you idiotic so called Christians. If Jesus were alive, he would hang out with homos, poor people, aids victims, aids patients who got aids from buttfuckign and killer H. Those would be his people. He would probably burn Cathedrals and TV Evangelisists. Jesus was the hero for the losers. Not the fucking corporate prude you idiots hold him out to be. I think Jesus was a cool dude. Too bad you Christians fucked his message up. [/b][/quote]
not bad. I pretty much agree with you.

LATIN KING

11-05-2004, 12:09 AM

Punk

11-05-2004, 12:14 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> If homosexuals 'rose to the top', homosexuality celebrated, as in parades and gay marriage, as well as gay programming, would you say it stands to reason that homosexual behaviour would also become more than simply an odd variation in the brain, as it is considered? [/b][/quote]
Sure I guess some people would think that buttramming is the norm and start mincing around wearing pink jumpsuits, but real hetero's like me would remain heteros. Hell I'd be the persecuted minority hanging out in "straight" bars and listening to metal while the fags beat me and my girlfriend up. :D

Free Ike (old)

11-05-2004, 12:18 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> If homosexuals 'rose to the top', homosexuality celebrated, as in parades and gay marriage, as well as gay programming, would you say it stands to reason that homosexual behaviour would also become more than simply an odd variation in the brain, as it is considered? [/b][/quote]
Sure I guess some people would think that buttramming is the norm and start mincing around wearing pink jumpsuits, but real hetero's like me would remain heteros. Hell I'd be the persecuted minority hanging out in "straight" bars and listening to metal while the fags beat me and my girlfriend up. :D [/b][/quote]
I agree. I am 100% straight. I love women. No amount of propaganda would make me push poop. I think the same about the homos. They can't be taught to fuck poon.

cdogg187

11-05-2004, 12:22 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> If homosexuals 'rose to the top', homosexuality celebrated, as in parades and gay marriage, as well as gay programming, would you say it stands to reason that homosexual behaviour would also become more than simply an odd variation in the brain, as it is considered? [/b][/quote]
Sure I guess some people would think that buttramming is the norm and start mincing around wearing pink jumpsuits, but real hetero's like me would remain heteros. Hell I'd be the persecuted minority hanging out in "straight" bars and listening to metal while the fags beat me and my girlfriend up. :D [/b][/quote]
I agree. I am 100% straight. I love women. No amount of propaganda would make me push poop. I think the same about the homos. They can't be taught to fuck poon. [/b][/quote]
PERFECT post, I agree. :lol:

animal

11-05-2004, 12:44 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> If homosexuals 'rose to the top', homosexuality celebrated, as in parades and gay marriage, as well as gay programming, would you say it stands to reason that homosexual behaviour would also become more than simply an odd variation in the brain, as it is considered? [/b][/quote]
Sure I guess some people would think that buttramming is the norm and start mincing around wearing pink jumpsuits, but real hetero's like me would remain heteros. Hell I'd be the persecuted minority hanging out in "straight" bars and listening to metal while the fags beat me and my girlfriend up. :D[/b][/quote]

Sure, it sounds ridiculous when you say it :huh: :D

Dobie G

11-05-2004, 01:29 AM

So let me see?

I man has chosen the fact to like hairy balls and have male shit on his dick than fuck some unbelieveably sexy, fuck slut? Right?

A woman would rather lick a random vagina that suck my overexaggerated, sometimes monsterious penis?

Yeah, it's a choice.

Rock On, since fisrt hand you know, tell the forum.

godking

11-05-2004, 04:38 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote]
How about Eve and Gloria? Or are you not thinking that when you're probably at times sitting down watching two women go at it on film or something. [/b][/quote]
Woman on woman is disgusting too. I used the Adam & Steve example to cover the whole gay issue. Not to pinpoint to a single group (male wyh male). [/b][/quote]
Okay just checking cause I know previously when this issue came about there was a guy who sounded just like you and this Socrates on the one hand and then out of the other side of his mouth said that he loves to watch and gets turned on by the unatural act of two women licking each other. [/b][/quote]
You mean Esk dont you ?

Pretty Boy

11-05-2004, 05:35 AM

If they're happy,then who gives a shit?
Let people get on with what they want to do,I've met plenty of gay people and the majority have been cool people.
It just means there's more women for the rest of us.

Ugotabe Kidding

11-05-2004, 05:42 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> If they're happy,then who gives a shit?
Let people get on with what they want to do,I've met plenty of gay people and the majority have been cool people.
It just means there's more women for the rest of us. [/b][/quote]
:lol:

true. And before somebody says something like "should we let pedophiles do what they want too", let me add that as long as the thing they are doing does not harm anyone, it is nobody's business.

Orion

11-05-2004, 08:41 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote]
"God" didn't CREATE anyone, let alone Adam and Eve.

We're the product of evolution.

Once you realize that, things become a lot clearer.

Dubblechin [/b][/quote]
I hope you're being sarcastic.

Orion

11-05-2004, 08:43 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> God created man & woman, Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote]
I thought God created everything! Unless you try to tell us Satan is behind homosexuality! :D

I always find it funny when people bring God in these topics, how the hell could you know what God had in mind when he created the world? [/b][/quote]
God created everything but that doesn't mean He controls everything we do. Satan is certainly behind homosexuality, man was given free will to do as we choose. Satan takes advantage of us becaseu of this.

Orion

11-05-2004, 08:44 AM

Socrates

11-05-2004, 08:59 AM

Wow this poll is much closer than i expected. I thought that it would be a landslide victory in favour of "acceptable" given that this site seems to be infested with liberal homosexual sympathizers. There's hope in the world after all..... :wink:

salaco

11-05-2004, 09:01 AM

No one is born a sociopath, serial killers are not born..there is no data to support this....

Way I see it, homosexuality is likely the result of a mixture of genetic and epigenetic events....there is no one gene or developmental event at work...

truth is, in terms of all biological events during development as well as heritability, you are likely to have degrees of variation (outside of birth/gestational issues), some of which can result in pathological consequences (eg schizo), most harmless (e.g homosexuality)....

Obviously, homosexuality is not adaptive, and yet there is no evidence that their numbers are in decline....some folks just need to get over it..

Socrates

11-05-2004, 09:01 AM

Socrates

11-05-2004, 09:05 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
"God" didn't CREATE anyone, let alone Adam and Eve.

We're the product of evolution.

Once you realize that, things become a lot clearer.

Dubblechin [/b][/quote]
Where did the first living organism come from then? Just appeared did it?

Socrates

11-05-2004, 09:06 AM

salaco

11-05-2004, 09:09 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Sociopaths like serial killers have different brain activity too.
They didn't chose to be killers. They were born like that.

Right. bs) [/b][/quote]
Actually that's correct, personality disorders such as antisocial (sociopath) are inherent not learned. [/b][/quote]
Therefore should such disorders (such as Homicidal mania) be acceptable? [/b][/quote]
homicidal mania is not a disorder, its closer to a state....

Socrates

11-05-2004, 09:15 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
homicidal mania is not a disorder, its closer to a state.... [/b][/quote]
But it is the result of a disorder! In the same way a consistent habit of sticking an erect penis into another mans anus is a state that is the result of a mental disorder....

salaco

11-05-2004, 09:21 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
homicidal mania is not a disorder, its closer to a state.... [/b][/quote]
But it is the result of a disorder! In the same way a consistent habit of sticking an erect penis into another mans anus is a state that is the result of a mental disorder.... [/b][/quote]
In some extreme cases of bipolar disorder, there have been incidences of "homicidal mania", but it is NOT the result of bipolar disorder.....but "homicidal mania" by itself is meaningless or would you consider all acts of rage, impulsive violent crimes, as some evidence of a psychiatric disorder?? :huh:

If a woman is born with an extra nipple, is this also a "disorder"?

Mr Roboto

11-05-2004, 10:18 AM

Ugotabe Kidding

11-05-2004, 10:33 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
"God" didn't CREATE anyone, let alone Adam and Eve.

We're the product of evolution.

Once you realize that, things become a lot clearer.

Dubblechin [/b][/quote]
Where did the first living organism come from then? Just appeared did it? [/b][/quote]
Living organisms can be created also in laboratories, it has been done already. Where did everything else come from then, that is a much more difficult question which I can't answer. But even that does not prove that there had been a god, much less a christian God

Socrates

11-05-2004, 10:41 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
"God" didn't CREATE anyone, let alone Adam and Eve.

We're the product of evolution.

Once you realize that, things become a lot clearer.

Dubblechin [/b][/quote]
Where did the first living organism come from then? Just appeared did it? [/b][/quote]
Living organisms can be created....... [/b][/quote]
That's my point...they have to be created.

Secondly...they only form from something that has organic properties. Where did the VERY FIRST organism come from? Still no answer to that question.

Socrates

11-05-2004, 10:43 AM

btw...Cdogg187 will agree with EVERY ARGUMENT given by a liberal homosexual/homosympathizer, because he is the epitomy of extreme left wing liberal ideology, a man without morals and principles that doesn't believe in rules or order. This same dude, Cdogg187, claims that killing 6 million mosquitoes is AS BAD as what Adolph Hitler did to the jews! :shaneUD12Oscar:

Socrates

11-05-2004, 10:45 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
If a woman is born with an extra nipple, is this also a "disorder"? [/b][/quote]
It is a PHYSICAL disorder for sure...

salaco

11-05-2004, 10:54 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
If a woman is born with an extra nipple, is this also a "disorder"? [/b][/quote]
It is a PHYSICAL disorder for sure... [/b][/quote]
Dude, you simply don't understand what "disorder" means....a disorder consists of a disruption of normal function.....a third nipple is prevalent in 2-3% of the female pop., and there is nothing to suggest this figure has not been constant.....

its not pathological, its not contagious, its not disruptive....it is an illustration of the natural variation across a number of biological processes which make up physical make-up...and that is normal!!...and the same, IMO, goes for homosexuality....

Ugotabe Kidding

11-05-2004, 10:58 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
"God" didn't CREATE anyone, let alone Adam and Eve.

We're the product of evolution.

Once you realize that, things become a lot clearer.

Dubblechin [/b][/quote]
Where did the first living organism come from then? Just appeared did it? [/b][/quote]
Living organisms can be created....... [/b][/quote]
That's my point...they have to be created.

Secondly...they only form from something that has organic properties. Where did the VERY FIRST organism come from? Still no answer to that question. [/b][/quote]
Of course no answer. Also no answer to the questions where did earth come from or where did God come from. It proves nothing one way nor another

Baron

11-05-2004, 11:02 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
"God" didn't CREATE anyone, let alone Adam and Eve.

We're the product of evolution.

Once you realize that, things become a lot clearer.

Dubblechin [/b][/quote]
Where did the first living organism come from then? Just appeared did it? [/b][/quote]
Living organisms can be created....... [/b][/quote]
That's my point...they have to be created.

Secondly...they only form from something that has organic properties. Where did the VERY FIRST organism come from? Still no answer to that question. [/b][/quote]
They created the same condition there was on earth when the first organic molecule was created. This is no mystery. If you want a mystery, wonder how the universe was created, not how life was created since there's already some pretty solid SCIENTIFIC theories on the subject.

Another mystery i'd like to solve is how you learned how to read and write with such limited intelligence!?!?! :wacko: After all, God may exists!

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:02 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
Dude, you simply don't understand what "disorder" means....a disorder consists of a disruption of normal function.....a third nipple is prevalent in 2-3% of the female pop., and there is nothing to suggest this figure has not been constant.....

its not pathological, its not contagious, its not disruptive....it is an illustration of the natural variation across a number of biological processes which make up physical make-up...and that is normal!!...and the same, IMO, goes for homosexuality.... [/b][/quote]
Fair enough....on the nipple issue. But having an inclination to have sex with someone of the same gender is undoubtedly the result of a disruption of normal psychological and cognitive processes...since the natural inclination of a sexual creature is to have intercourse with the same species of the opposite sex.

Salaco, would you consider a man who has an inclination to have sexual intercourse with a German Shepherd (DOG) someone without a disorder? :wacko:

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:06 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
They created the same condition there was on earth when the first organic molecule was created. This is no mystery. If you want a mystery, wonder how the universe was created, not how life was created since there's already some pretty solid SCIENTIFIC theories on the subject.

Another mystery i'd like to solve is how you learned how to read and write with such limited intelligence!?!?! :wacko: After all, God may exists! [/b][/quote]
Damn....at times like this I wish that slystaff would turn up, I need some help. :D What happened to that dude anyway?

salaco

11-05-2004, 11:11 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
Dude, you simply don't understand what "disorder" means....a disorder consists of a disruption of normal function.....a third nipple is prevalent in 2-3% of the female pop., and there is nothing to suggest this figure has not been constant.....

its not pathological, its not contagious, its not disruptive....it is an illustration of the natural variation across a number of biological processes which make up physical make-up...and that is normal!!...and the same, IMO, goes for homosexuality.... [/b][/quote]
Fair enough....on the nipple issue. But having an inclination to have sex with someone of the same gender is undoubtedly the result of a disruption of normal psychological and cognitive processes...since the natural inclination of a sexual creature is to have intercourse with the same species of the opposite sex.

Salaco, would you consider a man who has an inclination to have sexual intercourse with a German Shepherd (DOG) someone without a disorder? :wacko: [/b][/quote]
Leave the dog aside for the moment.

Natural means nothing, what does it mean? If we look at other lower form animals, we see homosexuality in certain species. Did they learn it too? ...similarly, its presence in ancient texts including your bible would seem to indicate its been here some time...therefore, it crosses both species and has been here since humankind..unnatural??

As for the dog, I wouldn't compare consensual relations with another human with screwing a lower form animal.

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:15 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
Leave the dog aside for the moment.

Natural means nothing, what does it mean? If we look at other lower form animals, we see homosexuality in certain species. Did they learn it too? ...similarly, its presence in ancient texts including your bible would seem to indicate its been here some time...therefore, it crosses both species and has been here since humankind..unnatural??

As for the dog, I wouldn't compare consensual relations with another human with screwing a lower form animal. [/b][/quote]
The point still stands and the question, unanswered.

If screwing a dog is seen as unnantural then why isn't screwing another man.

btw....donkey's have tried to have intercourse with men before and dogs have humped women. So these things (sex outside of the species) occur in nature also...does that mean that they are NATURAL!

Ugotabe Kidding

11-05-2004, 11:18 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
If screwing a dog is seen as unnantural then why isn't screwing another man.
[/b][/quote]
:wacko:

If screwing another man is seen as unnatural then why isn't screwing a woman?

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:19 AM

Ugotabe Kidding

11-05-2004, 11:22 AM

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If screwing a dog is seen as unnantural then why isn't screwing another man.
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:wacko:

If screwing another man is seen as unnatural then why isn't screwing a woman? [/b][/quote]
:shaneUD12Oscar:

Do you really think I should answer that question? [/b][/quote]
Not really. I just didn't understand your comparsion at all

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:23 AM

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If screwing a dog is seen as unnantural then why isn't screwing another man.
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:wacko:

If screwing another man is seen as unnatural then why isn't screwing a woman? [/b][/quote]
okay...okay....I'll answer the idiotic question. :YeahRight:

Ultimately the purpose of sex is reproduction. The fact that it is enjoyable is the reason why we naturally inclined to reproduce ourselves. The enjoyment factor is a biproduct of its ultimate purpose....but is not the purpose itself. Therefore it is natural to have sex with women (for a man) because the purpose of sex, ultimately, is to reporduce ourselves. It is a PERVERSION of sex to have it with a man...because that is not the natural purpose of it.....

Baron

11-05-2004, 11:24 AM

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They created the same condition there was on earth when the first organic molecule was created. This is no mystery. If you want a mystery, wonder how the universe was created, not how life was created since there's already some pretty solid SCIENTIFIC theories on the subject.

Another mystery i'd like to solve is how you learned how to read and write with such limited intelligence!?!?! :wacko: After all, God may exists! [/b][/quote]
Damn....at times like this I wish that slystaff would turn up, I need some help. :D What happened to that dude anyway? [/b][/quote]
I dare to disagree. Slystaff wouldn't change my mind on that subject. Not on homosexuality either.

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:24 AM

Hence screwing a dog (or another species), although enjoyable for some, is also a perversion.....

Ugotabe Kidding

11-05-2004, 11:26 AM

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If screwing a dog is seen as unnantural then why isn't screwing another man.
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:wacko:

If screwing another man is seen as unnatural then why isn't screwing a woman? [/b][/quote]
okay...okay....I'll answer the idiotic question. :YeahRight:

Ultimately the purpose of sex is reproduction. The fact that it is enjoyable is the reason why we naturally inclined to reproduce ourselves. The enjoyment factor is a biproduct of its ultimate purpose....but is not the purpose itself. Therefore it is natural to have sex with women (for a man) because the purpose of sex, ultimately, is to reporduce ourselves. It is a PERVERSION of sex to have it with a man...because that is not the natural purpose of it..... [/b][/quote]
Is masturbating also perversion? After all, it doesn't help in reproduce either

salaco

11-05-2004, 11:26 AM

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Leave the dog aside for the moment.

Natural means nothing, what does it mean? If we look at other lower form animals, we see homosexuality in certain species. Did they learn it too? ...similarly, its presence in ancient texts including your bible would seem to indicate its been here some time...therefore, it crosses both species and has been here since humankind..unnatural??

As for the dog, I wouldn't compare consensual relations with another human with screwing a lower form animal. [/b][/quote]
The point still stands and the question, unanswered.

If screwing a dog is seen as unnantural then why isn't screwing another man.

btw....donkey's have tried to have intercourse with men before and dogs have humped women. So these things (sex outside of the species) occur in nature also...does that mean that they are NATURAL! [/b][/quote]
I answered your first enquiry. It involves sexual behavior with another living organism that cannot participate consensually. Thats why I would put bestiality in a separate category (arguably alongside paedophilia).

As for the contents of your video collection, a few anecdotal stories does not add up to a statistically significant conclusion. We know that homosexuals have constituted a certain portion of the pop. and that it has been so for a long time. To me, that indicates that we are far along the road to "natural";

genetic linkage data would provide supporting evidence and the lack of any genetic intercorrelations between homosexuality and any other psychiatric disorders (although they correlate well with one another) would be further support.

You are looking for spurious reasons to support your prejudice. Just admit that you just find it sickening and that this is alone is the basis for your judgement.

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:27 AM

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Is masturbating also perversion? After all, it doesn't help in reproduce either [/b][/quote]
Good point, but men only tend to masturbate when they don't have a woman....

Baron

11-05-2004, 11:27 AM

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If screwing a dog is seen as unnantural then why isn't screwing another man.
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:wacko:

If screwing another man is seen as unnatural then why isn't screwing a woman? [/b][/quote]
okay...okay....I'll answer the idiotic question. :YeahRight:

Ultimately the purpose of sex is reproduction. The fact that it is enjoyable is the reason why we naturally inclined to reproduce ourselves. The enjoyment factor is a biproduct of its ultimate purpose....but is not the purpose itself. Therefore it is natural to have sex with women (for a man) because the purpose of sex, ultimately, is to reporduce ourselves. It is a PERVERSION of sex to have it with a man...because that is not the natural purpose of it..... [/b][/quote]
Is masturbating also perversion? After all, it doesn't help in reproduce either[/b][/quote]
Socrates doesn't wank, it's evil! :Brimstone:

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:29 AM

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You are looking for spurious reasons to support your prejudice. Just admit that you just find it sickening and that this is alone is the basis for your judgement. [/b][/quote]
I admit that I find it sickening, in fact I have never denied this. But I also offer logical arguments to support my prejudice...

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:31 AM

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So you are homosexual?

Baron

11-05-2004, 11:32 AM

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You are looking for spurious reasons to support your prejudice. Just admit that you just find it sickening and that this is alone is the basis for your judgement. [/b][/quote]
I admit that I find it sickening, in fact I have never denied this. But I also offer logical arguments to support my prejudice... [/b][/quote]
Racist also think their argument supporting their racism are logical.

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:34 AM

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You are looking for spurious reasons to support your prejudice. Just admit that you just find it sickening and that this is alone is the basis for your judgement. [/b][/quote]
I admit that I find it sickening, in fact I have never denied this. But I also offer logical arguments to support my prejudice... [/b][/quote]
Racist also think their argument supporting their racism are logical. [/b][/quote]
No doubt! But any arguments pertaining to racism can be EASILY refuted....

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:35 AM

Race and Sexual preference...are two completely different things and I don't know why everyone insists on equating them. One is a state of being, the other is a life style and a mindset.

Baron

11-05-2004, 11:36 AM

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You are looking for spurious reasons to support your prejudice. Just admit that you just find it sickening and that this is alone is the basis for your judgement. [/b][/quote]
I admit that I find it sickening, in fact I have never denied this. But I also offer logical arguments to support my prejudice... [/b][/quote]
Racist also think their argument supporting their racism are logical. [/b][/quote]
No doubt! But also arguments pertaining to racism can be EASILY refuted.... [/b][/quote]
Your the only one who thinks your argument haven't been refuted! :D

Your only basis is your so called moral... The fact that you labeled me "Evil" because I was defending homosexuals tells a lot about your moral... :YeahRight:

Baron

11-05-2004, 11:36 AM

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Why homosexuality wouldn't be a state of being?

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:37 AM

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Your the only one who thinks your argument haven't been refuted! :D

Your only basis is your so called moral... The fact that you labeled me "Evil" because I was defending homosexuals tells a lot about your moral... :YeahRight: [/b][/quote]
I don't recall labelling you as "evil". I just think that you are amoral.

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:38 AM

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Why homosexuality wouldn't be a state of being? [/b][/quote]
no more a state of being than pedophilia...

Ugotabe Kidding

11-05-2004, 11:42 AM

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Why homosexuality wouldn't be a state of being? [/b][/quote]
no more a state of being than pedophilia... [/b][/quote]
They both can be "state of being". The difference is, pedophilia has a negative effect on people involved, it ruins the life of the child forever. Sex between gays does not harm anybody, instead they both enjoy it.

Now who are you (and the rest of us) to tell people what they can like and what they can't. As long as they don't harm anyone, let them be gays or, as you put it, pervetics

Baron

11-05-2004, 11:44 AM

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Why homosexuality wouldn't be a state of being? [/b][/quote]
no more a state of being than pedophilia... [/b][/quote]
They both can be "state of being". The difference is, pedophilia has a negative effect on people involved, it ruins the life of the child forever. Sex between gays does not harm anybody, instead they both enjoy it.

Now who are you (and the rest of us) to tell people what they can like and what they can't. As long as they don't harm anyone, let them be gays or, as you put it, pervetics [/b][/quote]
:lol:

That's what I've been saying to him since yesterday morning... He doesn't seem to understand that.

Baron

11-05-2004, 11:45 AM

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Your the only one who thinks your argument haven't been refuted! :D

Your only basis is your so called moral... The fact that you labeled me "Evil" because I was defending homosexuals tells a lot about your moral... :YeahRight: [/b][/quote]
I don't recall labelling you as "evil". I just think that you are amoral. [/b][/quote]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> btw Baron, you are obviously a nasty man without morals...

:vom: [/b][/quote]

It's not far from labeling me Evil...

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:48 AM

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They both can be "state of being". The difference is, pedophilia has a negative effect on people involved, it ruins the life of the child forever. Sex between gays does not harm anybody, instead they both enjoy it.

Now who are you (and the rest of us) to tell people what they can like and what they can't. As long as they don't harm anyone, let them be gays or, as you put it, pervetics [/b][/quote]
Hey...I never tell anyone what they can or cannot do. I will never tell a homosexual man that he shouldn't suck a dick. If he wants to do that it's up to him. I'm simply saying that it's disgusting, unacceptable and unnatural as far as I'm concerned. No one should be offended by my opinion.

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:49 AM

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Your the only one who thinks your argument haven't been refuted!Ã‚Â* :D

Your only basis is your so called moral... The fact that you labeled me "Evil" because I was defending homosexuals tells a lot about your moral...Ã‚Â* :YeahRight: [/b][/quote]
I don't recall labelling you as "evil". I just think that you are amoral. [/b][/quote]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> btw Baron, you are obviously a nasty man without morals...

:vom: [/b][/quote]

It's not far from labeling me Evil... [/b][/quote]
yes it is....

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:52 AM

Ugotabe Kidding

11-05-2004, 11:54 AM

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They both can be "state of being". The difference is, pedophilia has a negative effect on people involved, it ruins the life of the child forever. Sex between gays does not harm anybody, instead they both enjoy it.

Now who are you (and the rest of us) to tell people what they can like and what they can't. As long as they don't harm anyone, let them be gays or, as you put it, pervetics [/b][/quote]
Hey...I never tell anyone what they can or cannot do. I will never tell a homosexual man that he shouldn't suck a dick. If he wants to do that it's up to him. I'm simply saying that it's disgusting, unacceptable and unnatural as far as I'm concerned. No one should be offended by my opinion. [/b][/quote]
disgusting and unnatural are your opinions and thus they are fine, unacceptable is more than an opinion, it is discrimination

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:55 AM

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disgusting and unnatural are your opinions and thus they are fine, unacceptable is more than an opinion, it is discrimination [/b][/quote]
It's prejudice, not discrimination. Learn the difference...

Socrates

11-05-2004, 11:57 AM

Truth is, if I had my way, Gay Marriage/adoption WOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED...so i guess that I am potentially discriminatory. Guilty as charged....

Ropadope

11-05-2004, 12:07 PM

I don't have a problem with homosexuals. What I have a problem with is the radicals who often push their agenda. Homosexuals just need to manage their agenda and image a little better.

Socrates

11-05-2004, 12:14 PM

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I could agree with this for the most part. Homosexuals and their supporters seem to seek to give them MORE rights than heterosexuals. Also you have to wonder at their motives at times. Why do they need to be "married". IMO it's just to further rub their abhorent lifestyle in our faces...

"I now pronounce you, Man and husband. You may kiss the groom" :YeahRight:

Baron

11-05-2004, 12:17 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> I don't have a problem with homosexuals. What I have a problem with is the radicals who often push their agenda. Homosexuals just need to manage their agenda and image a little better. [/b][/quote]
Acceptance, justice and equality are part of my agenda, why should I exclude homosexuals from it? When you believe in that kind of stuff, you believe it is good for everybody, not just for yourself and those who look like you.

Baron

11-05-2004, 12:18 PM

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I could agree with this for the most part. Homosexuals and their supporters seem to seek to give them MORE rights than heterosexuals. Also you have to wonder at their motives at times. Why do they need to be "married". IMO it's just to further rub their abhorent lifestyle in our faces...

"I now pronounce you, Man and husband. You may kiss the groom" :YeahRight: [/b][/quote]
How being for gay marriage is giving more rights to homosexuals? Do you have other examples of radicals pressing for more rights for homosexuals than heterosexuals?

Ropadope

11-05-2004, 12:23 PM

I could agree with this for the most part. Homosexuals and their supporters seem to seek to give them MORE rights than heterosexuals. Also you have to wonder at their motives at times. Why do they need to be "married". IMO it's just to further rub their abhorent lifestyle in our faces...

"I now pronounce you, Man and husband. You may kiss the groom" :YeahRight: [/quote]
If approached from most religious viewpoints, homosexuality is wrong. But so are many other things that ARE legal and accepted by most relious people. I don't care about homosexual marriage. I have a problem with the homosexual agenda because it isn't clear, and I despise incrementalism. Also, most of the "activists" that I have seen are far too abrasive for my taste.

Ropadope

11-05-2004, 12:31 PM

Acceptance, justice and equality are part of my agenda, why should I exclude homosexuals from it? When you believe in that kind of stuff, you believe it is good for everybody, not just for yourself and those who look like you. [/quote]
Have you ever been to a gay rights march or political rally? I have, and it was chaos. Either homosexuals don't have a real agenda, or they aren't saying what the total agenda is. That would arouse suspicion in any other group. Like it or not, the homosexual agenda is associated with radical politics because homosexual activists (understandably to a degree) have traditionally allied themselves with radicals. How often are radicals accepted by the mainstream?

Socrates

11-05-2004, 12:32 PM

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Acceptance, justice and equality are part of my agenda, why should I exclude homosexuals from it? When you believe in that kind of stuff, you believe it is good for everybody, not just for yourself and those who look like you. [/b][/quote]
Why should you exclude Incestuous people from it also?

Baron

11-05-2004, 12:36 PM

Acceptance, justice and equality are part of my agenda, why should I exclude homosexuals from it? When you believe in that kind of stuff, you believe it is good for everybody, not just for yourself and those who look like you.
Have you ever been to a gay rights march or political rally? I have, and it was chaos. Either homosexuals don't have a real agenda, or they aren't saying what the total agenda is. That would arouse suspicion in any other group. Like it or not, the homosexual agenda is associated with radical politics because homosexual activists (understandably to a degree) have traditionally allied themselves with radicals. How often are radicals accepted by the mainstream? [/quote]
No, I've never been to a gay rally. I misunderstood what you meant. I'm not fighting for gay rights per se but I'll certainly stick up for them when I feel it's necessary.

Baron

11-05-2004, 12:37 PM

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Acceptance, justice and equality are part of my agenda, why should I exclude homosexuals from it? When you believe in that kind of stuff, you believe it is good for everybody, not just for yourself and those who look like you. [/b][/quote]
Why should you exclude Incestuous people from it also? [/b][/quote]
Incest is a crime. And the situation you're using as example is completely ridiculous.

Socrates

11-05-2004, 12:42 PM

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Incest is a crime. And the situation you're using as example is completely ridiculous. [/b][/quote]
If incest is a crime, why shouldn't homosexuality be one also...

Baron

11-05-2004, 12:46 PM

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Incest is a crime. And the situation you're using as example is completely ridiculous. [/b][/quote]
If incest is a crime, why shouldn't homosexuality be one also... [/b][/quote]
Read the whole thread and the Moral Thread a second time and you may understand my position on that matter. I'm tired of repeating myself.

joebazooka

11-05-2004, 01:14 PM

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I don't think the guy was abused as a child... Do you consider serial murderers as individuals suffering from a certain form of pathology? [/b][/quote]
Suffering? You pose a rather difficult question! Plain and simple, he killed all those people. It would be hard for me to use the term "suffering" because he seemed to get enjoyment/satisfaction from his crime. As far as "suffering from a certain form of pathology", I have to think about who evaluated him. I would have to look at what end they were trying to achieve.

Was he responsible for the actions? Of course, physically.

Was he culpable? That's harder to say. I would have to say that I just don't have enough details about the court proceedings and his mental evaluation.

He SEEMED to know what he was doing, and he just didn't care. His case was so severe that it would be hard to believe that it could be treated with any kind of success.

Which begs the question: what should be done with an incurable psychopath? Keep him doped up and in a small cell with no hope of contact that might result in injury to another individual? [/b][/quote]
Thanks for your answer. Actually, when I asked that question I forgot that you were a sociologist, not a psychiatrist. Anyways, your last paragraph, well, yeah. It sounds like a sensible proposition. :D

panchyprsss

11-05-2004, 01:18 PM

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They didn't chose to be killers. They were born like that.

Right. bs) [/b][/quote]
Actually that's correct, personality disorders such as antisocial (sociopath) are inherent not learned. [/b][/quote]
Punk, I'm a sociologist by trade, not a psychologist...but can't sociopathic or even psychopathic behaviour be learned as opposed to being inherent? I'm sure that there might be a natural inclination in that area, but years of abuse must certainly contribute to that type of behaviour. Most violent criminals experienced child abuse at the hands of their guardians when they were in their formative years. [/b][/quote]
:lol:

panchyprsss

11-05-2004, 01:20 PM

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They didn't chose to be killers. They were born like that.

Right. bs) [/b][/quote]
Actually that's correct, personality disorders such as antisocial (sociopath) are inherent not learned. [/b][/quote]
Forgive Panchy. He is knowN in the industry as a FUCKING IDIOT. [/b][/quote]
I forgive you too, since you had not a say in being born as an imbecile. :wub:

panchyprsss

11-05-2004, 01:22 PM

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They didn't chose to be killers. They were born like that.

Right. bs) [/b][/quote]
Actually that's correct, personality disorders such as antisocial (sociopath) are inherent not learned. [/b][/quote] [/b][/quote]
Panchy himself said they had different brain activity, he wasnt saying they werent born with it, hes saying thats no excuse for KILLING. They were born sociopaths, but not murderers.

I think his point is, while homosexuals may be tweaked in the head, that doesnt excuse them of their actions, morally. [/b][/quote]
EXACTLY!
Thanks, bro.

Ugotabe Kidding

11-05-2004, 01:27 PM

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Incest is a crime. And the situation you're using as example is completely ridiculous. [/b][/quote]
If incest is a crime, why shouldn't homosexuality be one also... [/b][/quote]
:( doh...doh...doh...

The question should be "why should this and that BE criminal" not why this and that SHOULD NOT be criminal.

Incest should be criminal since it spoils human lifes. There is no reason for homosexuality to be a crime

Socrates

11-05-2004, 02:20 PM

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Says who? Indian and Pakistani Muslims marry their first cousins MOST OF THE TIME. I don't see it spoiling their lifes....

If a brother and sister marry and have healthy children (88% probablility) who's lives are they spoiling?

Erratic

11-05-2004, 02:27 PM

Not wrong or right. Just a person's preference, which I don't believe is a choice. I didn't choose to be straight and be attracted to women, I just am. Instinctual.

I'm not religious at all, so I don't believe in any of that "homosexuality is wrong" stuff.

Besides, I enjoy watching two girls dike off.

phonetap

11-05-2004, 02:27 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Incest should be criminal since it spoils human lifes. There is no reason for homosexuality to be a crime [/b][/quote]
Says who? Indian and Pakistani Muslims marry their first cousins MOST OF THE TIME. I don't see it spoiling their lifes....

If a brother and sister marry and have healthy children (88% probablility) who's lives are they spoiling? [/b][/quote]
you've thought about marrying your own sister?

Socrates

11-05-2004, 02:28 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Incest should be criminal since it spoils human lifes. There is no reason for homosexuality to be a crime [/b][/quote]
Says who? Indian and Pakistani Muslims marry their first cousins MOST OF THE TIME. I don't see it spoiling their lifes....

If a brother and sister marry and have healthy children (88% probablility) who's lives are they spoiling? [/b][/quote]
you've thought about marrying your own sister? [/b][/quote]
Don't have one...

Erratic

11-05-2004, 02:34 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Homosexuality is unnatural. And it is a choice a person makes either very early in their lives or late in life. It is still something that is taboo in society. I respect whoever decides to have that lifestyle the same way that I respect whoever decides to be a prostitute, but I don't accept it as a the Gay Agenda wants me to accept it like a natural God given way of life. [/b][/quote]
You can have the choice of whom you decide to have sex with and get involved with, but not the choice of what you like better or get turned on by