Who Hit Harder - SR Robinson or Trinidad

[CleanYourClock]

OK - This is not p4p or KO percentage. Not relative to each weight but , just straight up ..

In other words if you got punched in the face by either guy , who do you think would hurt you more -
Tito at 147 or Sugar Ray Robinson at 160 ?

[Ugotabe Kidding]

With or without hand-wraps?

[jaws1216]

Harder?...Trinidad

[jaws1216]

wait whats with the fucking poll

[Rubio MHS]

Robinson, easily. When he was 36, he knocked out Gene Fullmer with what's often called the greatest left hook in the history of the sport. I mean, that's one of the most famous knockouts of all time. And Fullmer was one of the toughest fighters of the era, no William Joppy.

[puerto rock]

Comebacking Robinson at 160 vs 147 pound Trinidad???... Definitely Robinson. Bigger man, faster hands, and definitely a harder punch.

At 147, its closer. But Robinson's hand speed is what really made his power that much more devastating.

[CleanYourClock]

Comebacking Robinson at 160 vs 147 pound Trinidad???... Definitely Robinson. Bigger man, faster hands, and definitely a harder punch.

At 147, its closer. But Robinson's hand speed is what really made his power that much more devastating.

Thank You Puerto Rock. No-one is taking away from Tito's power. We all know he could bang with the best but , common sense is just common sense .. Something Alabama man is lacking on this subject.

[jaws1216]

Thank You Puerto Rock. No-one is taking away from Tito's power. We all know he could bang with the best but , common sense is just common sense .. Something Alabama man is lacking on this subject.

if we're talking at the same weight, then its trinidad.

Trinidad has punishing power, robinson is a punishing puncher.

Robinson is fast and places punches well. Trinidad isn't as fast but has heavier hands and a harder shot.

[Rubio MHS]

if we're talking at the same weight, then its trinidad.

Trinidad has punishing power, robinson is a punishing puncher.

Robinson is fast and places punches well. Trinidad isn't as fast but has heavier hands and a harder shot.How can you watch the Fullmer rematch and not think that Robinson had punishing power? When did Trinidad knock out ANYONE that tough? The toughest and cageyest fighters usually took Trinidad the distance. That wasn't the case of Robinson.

Jaws, you really don't deserve to post in this section, because it's pretty obvious that you don't know shit.

[puerto rock]

if we're talking at the same weight, then its trinidad.

Trinidad has punishing power, robinson is a punishing puncher.

Robinson is fast and places punches well. Trinidad isn't as fast but has heavier hands and a harder shot.

At 147, I think Robinson was still a harder puncher. He could take guys out with 1 punch. Trinidad's power was more concussive than anything else. He didn't take you out with one punch usually, but he could hurt you badly with just one punch and thus turn the momentum of the fight.

The combination of hand speed and power is very tough to combat because even the hardest of chins can go when the fighter can't see the punches coming.

[lb 4 lb]

How can you watch the Fullmer rematch and not think that Robinson had punishing power? When did Trinidad knock out ANYONE that tough? The toughest and cageyest fighters usually took Trinidad the distance. That wasn't the case of Robinson.

Jaws, you really don't deserve to post in this section, because it's pretty obvious that you don't know shit.
First of all you're basing SRR off of 1 fucking KO, and as great as it may have been you're not providing a good argument that that was the norm for SRR. Secondly Tito rarely hit guys and not have some kind of an effect on them dispite your lies/suspect knowledge.

[Rubio MHS]

No. I was simply assuming that a few of you might have actually watched boxing. I was wrong. Robinson was pound-for-pound the greatest offensive fighter ever, or perhaps second to Joe Louis. Trinidad? He was a minor titlist who never pulled off a kayo against a major opponent. Ray Robinson stopped Jake LaMotta. Jake LaMotta! And there are a ton of other names on his resume that I would discuss on a more intermediate forum, but I'm afraid that they'd fly over your heads.

[jaws1216]

No. I was simply assuming that a few of you might have actually watched boxing. I was wrong. Robinson was pound-for-pound the greatest offensive fighter ever, or perhaps second to Joe Louis. Trinidad? He was a minor titlist who never pulled off a kayo against a major opponent. Ray Robinson stopped Jake LaMotta. Jake LaMotta! And there are a ton of other names on his resume that I would discuss on a more intermediate forum, but I'm afraid that they'd fly over your heads.

Earnie Shavers.

great point jackass

[jaws1216]

At 147, I think Robinson was still a harder puncher. He could take guys out with 1 punch. Trinidad's power was more concussive than anything else. He didn't take you out with one punch usually, but he could hurt you badly with just one punch and thus turn the momentum of the fight.

The combination of hand speed and power is very tough to combat because even the hardest of chins can go when the fighter can't see the punches coming.

The thing is, any power shot from trinidad that lands is a fight changer.

He wasn't very good, but his power changed fights. Robinson beat up on people usually by landing 100's of shots. The Fullmer fight is almost a fluke punch really. Robinson had good power, with great skill and handspeed.

Trinidad had great power.

[Rubio MHS]

Earnie Shavers.

great point jackassEarnie Shavers the greatest offensive fighter ever? That's the dumbest thing you've said today. He faded after four rounds. He didn't throw combinations well. He got winded easily. He wasn't a great finisher. The most power ever, perhaps, but there's more to boxing than that.
The thing is, any power shot from trinidad that lands is a fight changer.He landed a number of power shots against Winky Wright, and couldn't change the fight. He landed plenty of power shots against Hopkins and De la Hoya. His power only changed fights when he was up against the Oba Carrs and Yory Boys Campas of the world.

And you think that Fullmer was a fluke? Shit, you said something even dumber. Robinson showed his one-punch power against Mims, Basora, Belliose, Doyle, Bell, Lavigne and Curcio, to name a few. Robinson had twice as many knockouts as Trinidad had fights.

Also, I'm not alone in this opinion, and only a few moronic fanboys like yourself think that Trinidad hit harder than Robinson. Here's how Ring magazine ranked the 100 greatest punchers of all time in 2003:
1. Joe Louis
2. Sam Langford
3. Jimmy Wilde
4. Archie Moore
5. Sandy Saddler
6. Stanley Ketchell
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Bob Fitzsimmons
9. George Foreman (http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/foreman.htm)
10. Earnie Shavers
11. Sugar Ray Robinson
12. Ruben Olivares
13. Wilfredo Gomez
14. Rocky Marciano (http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/marciano.htm)
15. Sonny Liston
16. Mike Tyson (http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/tyson.htm)
17. Bob Foster
18. Tommy Hearns
19. Khaosai Galaxy
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Carlos Zarate
22. Max Baer
23. Rocky Graziano
24. Matthew Saad Muhammad
25. Julian Jackson
26. Danny Lopez
27. Gerald McClellan
28. Roberto Duran (http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/duran.htm)
29. Rodrigo Valdez
30. Felix Trinidad (http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/trinidad.htm)
31. Pipino Cuevas
32. Jim Jefferies
33. Lennox Lewis (http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/lewis.htm)
34. Bennie Briscoe
35. Marvin Hagler (http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/hagler.htm)
36. Edwin Rosario
37. Tommy Ryan
38. John Mugabi
39. Joe Frazier (http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/frazier.htm)
40. Carlos Monzon
41. Tony Zale
42. Michael Spinks
43. Joe Gans
44. Elmer Ray
45. George Godfrey
46. Naseem Hamed (http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/hamed.htm)
47. Alfonso Zamora
48. David Tua (http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/tua.htm)
49. Cleveland Williams
50. Julio Cesar Chavez
51. Tiger Jack Fox
52. Joe Walcott
53. Gerry Cooney
54. Al (Bummy) Davis
55. Max Schmeling
56. Florentino Fernandez
57. Henry Armstrong
58. Bob Satterfield
59. Al Hostak
60. Jesus Pimentel
61. Eugene (Cyclone) Hart
62. Lew Jenkins
63. Harry Wills
64. Tom Sharkey
65. Terry McGovern
66. Jersey Joe Walcott
67. Kostya Tszyu (http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/tszyu.htm)
68. Leotis Martin
69. Buddy Baer
70. Donovan (Razor) Ruddock
71. Jose Luis Ramirez
72. Tommy Gomez
73. Jose Napoles
74. Kid McCoy
75. Antonio Esparragoza
76. Ricardo Moreno
77. Evander Holyfield (http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/holyfield.htm)
78. Ike Williams
79. Luis Firpo
80. Ricardo Lopez (http://boxing.about.com/library/bl_lopez.htm)
81. Humberto Gonzalez
82. Bobby Chacon
83. Jock McAvoy
84. Eduardo Lausse
85. Eder Jofre
86. Charley Burley
87. Mike McCallum
88. Salvador Sanchez
89. Roy Jones Jr. (http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/royjones.htm)
90. Rodolfo Gonzalez
91. Nigel Benn
92. (Irish) Bob Murphy
93. Paul Berlenbach
94. Battling Torres
95. Chalky Wright
96. George (K.O.) Chaney
97. Andy Ganigan
98. Fred Fulton
99. Ingemar Johansson
100. Charley White

[jaws1216]

LMAO at you being able to teach people how to take standardized tests. They test inference and reasoning ability for the most part. so, smartass here's some reason for you

Trinidad? He was a minor titlist who never pulled off a kayo against a major opponent.

So the inference here is that because of Trinidad's all-time status and resume he doesn't deserve to be considered in comparison to Sugar Ray Robinson.

As A reply I referenced Earnie Shavers, a man widely thought of to be the "hardest" puncher in history, and at the very least top 3 with Foreman and Tyson.

This thread was titled who hits "harder," not whose harlem dick we love most

[CleanYourClock]

if we're talking at the same weight, then its trinidad.

Trinidad has punishing power, robinson is a punishing puncher.

Robinson is fast and places punches well. Trinidad isn't as fast but has heavier hands and a harder shot.

But we are not judging the same weight. Trinidad at 147 Vs Robinson at 160

[Donnybrook]

I'm not really even following the other thread....but shouldn't this be a POUND-FOR-POUND comparison - Trinidad at 147 vs. Robinson at 160?

That seems to be the real issue.

And the question is "who punches HARDER" - not who was the more effective boxer or had more offensive capability.

It's a very hard question to gauge, actually...with ANY boxer comparison.

Peace.

[CleanYourClock]

I'm not really even following the other thread....but shouldn't this be a POUND-FOR-POUND comparison - Trinidad at 147 vs. Robinson at 160?

That seems to be the real issue.

And the question is "who punches HARDER" - not who was the more effective boxer or had more offensive capability.

It's a very hard question to gauge, actually...with ANY boxer comparison.

Peace.

The reason why its not p4p or 147 Vs 147 is because Alabama stated that the 147 Welter version of Trinidad hit harder then the 160 Middle weight version of Sugar Ray Robinson because Ray was in his mid 30's ... :jester:

This is the debate and this is why its not a p4p or Welter Vs Welter comparison...

[Alabama_Man]

The reason why its not p4p or 147 Vs 147 is because Alabama stated that the 147 Welter version of Trinidad hit harder then the 160 Middle weight version of Sugar Ray Robinson because Ray was in his mid 30's ... :jester:

This is the debate and this is why its not a p4p or Welter Vs Welter comparison...

Again another lie. I never said Trinidad "hit harder", I said SRR wasn't the same fighter at 40 that he was at 25 and then CleanYourCawk made the imaginary connection that I said one had more power than the other.

Go ahead and browse the thread you won't find me saying any of the above.

But you will find this gem.

I'm in my mid 30's and I know for a fact I can hit harder now then in my mid 20's. Other things might not be as good but my power is even better.

:jester: :jester:

Old fart Keyboard warrior talking about his punching power in a debate about Sugar Ray Robinson. How lame can you get? :rollllling:

[CleanYourClock]

Again another lie. I never said Trinidad "hit harder", I said SRR wasn't the same fighter at 40 that he was at 25 and then CleanYourCawk made the imaginary connection that I said one had more power than the other.

Go ahead and browse the thread you won't find me saying any of the above.

But you will find this gem.



:jester: :jester:

Old fart Keyboard warrior talking about his punching power in a debate about Sugar Ray Robinson. How lame can you get? :rollllling:

Old Fart ?:jester:

Bro , I would open your head up like a can of tomatoes ..:jester: :jester:

How old are you ?

[Alabama_Man]

Old Fart ?:jester:

Bro , I would open your head up like a can of tomatoes ..:jester: :jester:

How old are you ?

:jester:

I'm in tears. :rollllling:

Let's just say I'm old enough to know that saying "owned" would get me funny looks amongst my peers. B)

[CleanYourClock]

:jester:

I'm in tears. :rollllling:

Let's just say I'm old enough to know that saying "owned" would get me funny looks amongst my peers. B)

So you are an old out of shape wanabee ?? :jester:

So you are an older piece of crap that let himself go to shit and now you are making post after post because I used the word owned ?

Yeah , you are really building respect around here ...
Why don't you go troll somewhere else ...

[Alabama_Man]

So you are an old out of shape wanabee ?? :jester:

So you are an older piece of crap that let himself go to shit and now you are making post after post because I used the word owned ?

Yeah , you are really building respect around here ...
Why don't you go troll somewhere else ...

Keep guessing!

I don't have time to entertain 35 year old pudgy keyboard warriors with details about my personal life. :neener:

[CleanYourClock]

Keep guessing!

I don't have time to entertain 35 year old pudgy keyboard warriors with details about my personal life. :neener:

So you are ashamed of yourself ?? :jester:
Angry that you couldn't accomplish anything in life ...

It figures ....

[Alabama_Man]

So you are ashamed of yourself ?? :jester:
Angry that you couldn't accomplish anything in life ...

It figures ....

My life is good. I thank God for what I've been blessed with. You need to relax, this is just the internet. I don't really care if you say "owned", go crazy my friend. B)

[CleanYourClock]

My life is good. I thank God for what I've been blessed with. You need to relax, this is just the internet. I don't really care if you say "owned", go crazy my friend. B)

Well the extreme amount of posts you are dedicating to this subject would say you really do care ..

[Ugotabe Kidding]

I wonder is even Robinson-Tito would have been this great battle :inbed:

[Alabama_Man]

Well the extreme amount of posts you are dedicating to this subject would say you really do care ..

I don't know exactly what you're trying to imply. Are you implying that I have some personal vested interest in this other than occupying myself while I drink coffee and attempt to wake up? B)

[Alabama_Man]

I wonder is even Robinson-Tito would have been this great battle :inbed:

Best post of the thread. :2:

[CleanYourClock]

I don't know exactly what you're trying to imply. Are you implying that I have some personal vested interest in this other than occupying myself while I drink coffee and attempt to wake up? B)

At first no , I didn't think that but , then you kept going on and on post after post hardly even mentioning the topic at hand .
At that point yes , thats what I thought ..

[Rubio MHS]

LMAO at you being able to teach people how to take standardized tests. They test inference and reasoning ability for the most part. so, smartass here's some reason for you

So the inference here is that because of Trinidad's all-time status and resume he doesn't deserve to be considered in comparison to Sugar Ray Robinson.

As A reply I referenced Earnie Shavers, a man widely thought of to be the "hardest" puncher in history, and at the very least top 3 with Foreman and Tyson.

This thread was titled who hits "harder," not whose harlem dick we love mostShavers was nowhere near as good offensively as Sugar Ray Robinson. You obviously didn't read the thread you quoted, and now everyone knows that you're a shithead who doesn't know how to read.

[lb 4 lb]

No. I was simply assuming that a few of you might have actually watched boxing. I was wrong. Robinson was pound-for-pound the greatest offensive fighter ever, or perhaps second to Joe Louis. Trinidad? He was a minor titlist who never pulled off a kayo against a major opponent. Ray Robinson stopped Jake LaMotta. Jake LaMotta! And there are a ton of other names on his resume that I would discuss on a more intermediate forum, but I'm afraid that they'd fly over your heads.


That's a great point if we were arguing who was a greater fighter, but the question at hand is who hit harder so make an argument for that and not for who's greater. Hell with the stance you're taking you could make the case that SRR hit harder than Tyson.


He landed a number of power shots against Winky Wright, and couldn't change the fight. He landed plenty of power shots against Hopkins and De la Hoya. His power only changed fights when he was up against the Oba Carrs and Yory Boys Campas of the world.
You're like a woman, you make up shit just to win an argument. Tito never even touched Wright in that fight, so of course he couldn't change the fight. There were 2 highlight reels in the ODLH fight showing him getting hit by Tito and you could see it was effecting him. Here's another way his power effected that fight, it caused Oscar to have to move and run so much to avoid being hit cleanly that he not only tired himself out but cost himself the victory. I'll give you the Hopkins fight, but that is the only time I've ever seen anyone consistently take Tito's punches and not have it effect them or the fight in some kind of way. I challenge you to find me another.

Also, I'm not alone in this opinion, and only a few moronic fanboys like yourself think that Trinidad hit harder than Robinson. Here's how Ring magazine ranked the 100 greatest punchers of all time in 2003:It's not impossible for a publication to be wrong and the fact is you may be right after all SRR hit hard and just like you and everyone else on this site I never saw him at his best, still though your argument is shit when you're basically basing it on the KO of one guy and what you read from a magazine article.

[Rubio MHS]

Trinidad didn't land any powershots in the Winky fight? I guess Compubox must be wrong. :jester:

[steve_dave (old account)]

Trinidad didn't land any powershots in the Winky fight? I guess Compubox must be wrong. :jester:
He didn't land anything hard. A "powershot" is anything that isn't a jab.

[joony]

can't argue with a great historian in jaws.

[Tam Tam]

16-4, this one's quite clear apparently.

[Alabama_Man]

He didn't land anything hard. A "powershot" is anything that isn't a jab.

Rufio = Destroyed :2:

[Rubio MHS]

I was responding to this post:
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaws1216
The thing is, any power shot from trinidad that lands is a fight changer.

Now, that's just stupid, even for Jaws.

[lb 4 lb]

I was responding to this post:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaws1216
The thing is, any power shot from trinidad that lands is a fight changer.


Now, that's just stupid, even for Jaws.I think it's pretty obvious that it needs to land cleanly. Tito never landed a power shot on Wright that didn't have to go through his gloves.
Hell even Wright knew the danger Tito presented, it's the reason Shane landed lots of clean powershots and Tito landed absolutely none. Because Wright knows like everyone else but you that Tito's punches are fight changers.

I'm not saying Tito does or doesn't hit harder than SRR though.

[Tam Tam]

I think it's pretty obvious that it needs to land cleanly. Tito never landed a power shot on Wright that didn't have to go through his gloves.
Hell even Wright knew the danger Tito presented, it's the reason Shane landed lots of clean powershots and Tito landed absolutely none. Because Wright knows like everyone else but you that Tito's punches are fight changers.


Yeah, there's that reason and because Trinidad had one chance and one chance only to beat WInky; via KO.

[Rubio MHS]

I think it's pretty obvious that it needs to land cleanly. Tito never landed a power shot on Wright that didn't have to go through his gloves.
Hell even Wright knew the danger Tito presented, it's the reason Shane landed lots of clean powershots and Tito landed absolutely none. Because Wright knows like everyone else but you that Tito's punches are fight changers.

I'm not saying Tito does or doesn't hit harder than SRR though.Shane landed power shots because he was much better than Trinidad was by the time he fought Wright. Without the speed he possessed earlier in his career, his power was almost meaningless.

[lb 4 lb]

Shane landed power shots because he was much better than Trinidad was by the time he fought Wright. Without the speed he possessed earlier in his career, his power was almost meaningless.
Whatever. You can delude yourself however you want to make things right in your head, but I completely disagree and believe wholeheartedly that Wright fought way more recklessly against Shane than he did against Tito because Tito hit's way harder.

[Rubio MHS]

Um, so you think that if Winky Wright had wanted to, he could have almost completely shut down Shane Mosley's offense the way he did against Trinidad? Then why didn't he?

[steve_dave (old account)]

Um, so you think that if Winky Wright had wanted to, he could have almost completely shut down Shane Mosley's offense the way he did against Trinidad? Then why didn't he?

Agree with Rubio. Shane's faster hands allowed him to land on Wright... Tito was really slow in comparison.

[CleanYourClock]

Whatever. You can delude yourself however you want to make things right in your head, but I completely disagree and believe wholeheartedly that Wright fought way more recklessly against Shane than he did against Tito because Tito hit's way harder.

I would just say that it was simply because Tito was easier to hit then Mosely and Tito had slower hands ..

To catch a quick guy coming in and out , you have to take more chances.
With Tito just standing there with his lead feet , there was no need to be reckless ....
This had absolutely nothing to do with Tito's punch power ..

[The Cuban Hawk]

Robinson, easily. When he was 36, he knocked out Gene Fullmer with what's often called the greatest left hook in the history of the sport. I mean, that's one of the most famous knockouts of all time. And Fullmer was one of the toughest fighters of the era, no William Joppy.

Yep, sums it all up right there.

[Rubio MHS]

Agree with Rubio. Shane's faster hands allowed him to land on Wright... Tito was really slow in comparison.Tito's power is soooo overrated (six morons actually thought he hit harder than Sugar Ray Robinson!). It was Trinidad's speed that made him dangerous. Once that was gone, he was easy pickings for someone like Wright. Any other moderately talented middleweight could've beaten Trinidad that night.

[crold1]

Let me also add this Rub...Tito's speed and stright lead right. He stopped throwing the right effectively as he moved up the P4P list. Classic case of falling in love with power. Against Carr, he used the right and trailed Carr with it after the knockdown. That punch was sorely lacking later when he didn't have the confidence to roll with it.

I hate agreeing with Zac.

[lb 4 lb]

Agree with Rubio. Shane's faster hands allowed him to land on Wright... Tito was really slow in comparison.
Well, what about that bum Wright fought who marked up his face. Was that guy so fast Wright couldn't block the punches? What about against Quartey? No, Wright just choses to fight more reckless against guys who aren't a real threat. It's the real reason Shane did better in the rematch. Wright fought at a much more focused and professional level in the 1st fight as compared to the 2nd.

Here's the #1 proof that I'm right. Do you recall Wright dropping his guard and letting Tito land free shots like he did with Shane? If so I'd like to get a copy of those deleted scenes.

[lb 4 lb]

Let me also add this Rub...Tito's speed and stright lead right. He stopped throwing the right effectively as he moved up the P4P list. Classic case of falling in love with power. Against Carr, he used the right and trailed Carr with it after the knockdown. That punch was sorely lacking later when he didn't have the confidence to roll with it.

I hate agreeing with Zac.
Let me get this straight. Your agreeing with Rubio that Tito's power was overrated, yet claiming Tito fell in love with his power? I agree with you that Tito did lose a lot by falling in love with his power, but I disagree with Rubio that that power was overrated.

To prove it I once again challenge Rubio to tell me one fight other than the Hopkins and Wright fight where Tito's power didn't have some kind of effect on his opponent.

[Tam Tam]

Let me get this straight. Your agreeing with Rubio that Tito's power was overrated, yet claiming Tito fell in love with his power? I agree with you that Tito did lose a lot by falling in love with his power, but I disagree with Rubio that that power was overrated.

To prove it I once again challenge Rubio to tell me one fight other than the Hopkins and Wright fight where Tito's power didn't have some kind of effect on his opponent.
I think every fighter with a decent punch, who has ability, will find that they have some effect on their opponent. Thats not enough to back your case, IMO.

[Rubio MHS]

To prove it I once again challenge Rubio to tell me one fight other than the Hopkins and Wright fight where Tito's power didn't have some kind of effect on his opponent.Man, you're really changing your story. First it was "Every power shot Tito landed changed the fight." Now it's, "Name one fight other than the Hopkins and Wright fight where Tito's power didn't have some kind of effect on his opponent." (Answer: The De la Hoya fight, where Oscar simply ran out of gas in the last four rounds and couldn't attack the way he did in rounds 1-8.)

Further, most of Tito's opponents sucked. Shit, he went life and death with David Reid! That's why his power was so meaningful; he was fighting crappy opponents, while his china chin was barely holding up. Sugar Ray Robinson fought and beat better competition after his 34th birthday than Tito did in his entire, overblown career.

[lb 4 lb]

Man, you're really changing your story. First it was "Every power shot Tito landed changed the fight." Now it's, "Name one fight other than the Hopkins and Wright fight where Tito's power didn't have some kind of effect on his opponent." (Answer: The De la Hoya fight, where Oscar simply ran out of gas in the last four rounds and couldn't attack the way he did in rounds 1-8.)
How did I change my story? I may have changed my wording, but my point is the same. Yeah, I'm leaving off those 2 because Hopkins is the only guy I've ever seen take Tito's punches cleanly and not be effected, and Wright is the only guy I've ever seen Tito not land cleanly against in a 12 rd fight. As for your choice of ODLH, I already answered that one in a previous post but in case you missed it here it is again: There were 2 highlight reels in the ODLH fight showing him getting hit by Tito and you could see it was effecting him. Here's another way his power effected that fight, it caused Oscar to have to move and run so much to avoid being hit cleanly that he not only tired himself out but cost himself the victory.

Further, most of Tito's opponents sucked. Shit, he went life and death with David Reid! That's why his power was so meaningful; he was fighting crappy opponents, while his china chin was barely holding up. Sugar Ray Robinson fought and beat better competition after his 34th birthday than Tito did in his entire, overblown career.
Tito's comp may not measure up to SRR's but it's no better or worse than pretty much everyone else from Tito's era. Tito did not go life and death with Reid. Other than getting dropped once he basically dominated that fight from start to finish. Also Tito didn't have a bad chin, he often got dropped but was rarely ever shaken up or hurt when it happened. I'm not arguing that SRR's competition was better or worse than Tito's we're talking about punching power and my whole argument with you is you're inability to seperate those 2 diffrences.

[Tam Tam]

I dunno about the rest of your post, but Im going to address a few things:

Other than getting dropped once he basically dominated that fight from start to finish.
The facts are, Tito was down after 6 completed rounds. Thats half the fight. He did not dominate from start to finish; he lost a few rounds of the fight.

Also Tito didn't have a bad chin, he often got dropped but was rarely ever shaken up or hurt when it happened.
He was hurt by a few guys. I don't agree, his chin was average at best. But IM not sure what that has to do with who hit harder. It means nothing.

[lb 4 lb]

The facts are, Tito was down after 6 completed rounds. Thats half the fight. He did not dominate from start to finish; he lost a few rounds of the fight.


He was hurt by a few guys. I don't agree, his chin was average at best. But IM not sure what that has to do with who hit harder. It means nothing.
I haven't seen the fight in yrs, but I remember watching it again after the press and everyone had been saying how Reid was winning early. Wasn't true from what I remember. Once Reid got dropped he was completely out of the fight and it should have been stopped by his corner, he went on to take a huge beating from Tito getting hurt a few more times. Maybe it was domination but he won huge, and definitely by a bigger margin than he beat Vargas.

As for the chin discussion, you're right it has nothing to do with who hit harder. However, I disagreed with Rubio about the chin thing so I just laid out my opinion of it, since he seems more interested in saying how horrible Tito is all around rather than making a point about the thread at hand. I still don't think his chin was bad.

[Tam Tam]

I haven't seen the fight in yrs, but I remember watching it again after the press and everyone had been saying how Reid was winning early. Wasn't true from what I remember. Once Reid got dropped he was completely out of the fight and it should have been stopped by his corner, he went on to take a huge beating from Tito getting hurt a few more times. Maybe it was domination but he won huge, and definitely by a bigger margin than he beat Vargas.
This is all true, but none of this happened until halfway through the fight. Reid got slaughtered after that point and in the end took a career changing beating...but until he got hit with Tito's left hook at the end of round 7 (?), Reid was winning the fight and looking good while doing it.

As for the chin discussion, you're right it has nothing to do with who hit harder. However, I disagreed with Rubio about the chin thing so I just laid out my opinion of it, since he seems more interested in saying how horrible Tito is all around rather than making a point about the thread at hand. I still don't think his chin was bad.
Thats Zac, though. You'll learn over time.

[lb 4 lb]

This is all true, but none of this happened until halfway through the fight. Reid got slaughtered after that point and in the end took a career changing beating...but until he got hit with Tito's left hook at the end of round 7 (?), Reid was winning the fight and looking good while doing it.
I really feel that's a myth. I'm going to rewatch this fight soon and post if it is.


Thats Zac, though. You'll learn over time.
Oh, I already know. Sometimes, I just can't help myself.

[Tam Tam]

I really feel that's a myth. I'm going to rewatch this fight soon and post if it is.

Well dude, you're free to your own opinion....but its no myth. The fans scored it that way (the majority of) and so did the judges. Its just the way the fight went.

Oh, I already know. Sometimes, I just can't help myself.
Sometimes, we all can't.

[CleanYourClock]

Man, you're really changing your story. First it was "Every power shot Tito landed changed the fight." Now it's, "Name one fight other than the Hopkins and Wright fight where Tito's power didn't have some kind of effect on his opponent." (Answer: The De la Hoya fight, where Oscar simply ran out of gas in the last four rounds and couldn't attack the way he did in rounds 1-8.)

Further, most of Tito's opponents sucked. Shit, he went life and death with David Reid! That's why his power was so meaningful; he was fighting crappy opponents, while his china chin was barely holding up. Sugar Ray Robinson fought and beat better competition after his 34th birthday than Tito did in his entire, overblown career.

So true ! Especially the last sentence ...:2:

[Alabama_Man]

So true ! Especially the last sentence ...:2:

Tito would destroy SRR, he would eat his heart, he wishes he could stomp on SRR children's genitals so they could feel his pain.

Tito > SRR

B)

[CleanYourClock]

Tito would destroy SRR, he would eat his heart, he wishes he could stomp on SRR children's genitals so they could feel his pain.

Tito > SRR

B)

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[Rubio MHS]

How did I change my story?First, you said that ever power punch that Tito ever landed changed the fight. Then you said that almost every fighter who fought Trinidad got hurt. If you're too dumb to see the difference, try reading with your head closer to the screen. It might not help your R/C, but you'll probably get cancer, die younger, and rid the world of your pathetic existence.

[lb 4 lb]

First, you said that ever power punch that Tito ever landed changed the fight. Then you said that almost every fighter who fought Trinidad got hurt. If you're too dumb to see the difference, try reading with your head closer to the screen. It might not help your R/C, but you'll probably get cancer, die younger, and rid the world of your pathetic existence.
I invite your retarded ass to quote me and show where I said every power punch Tito throws changes a fight. Maybe if you wipe the cum out of your eyes you'll be able to see better and not make an ass out of yourself. If your too dumb to see the difference try pulling your head out of your ass, it will not only make things more clearer for you, but you'll have plenty of room for all those butt plugs you keep buying.

[Rubio MHS]

I invite your retarded ass to quote me and show where I said every power punch Tito throws changes a fight.Uh, I didn't say you did:

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Originally Posted by Rubio MHS
First, you said that ever power punch that Tito ever landed changed the fight. Then you said that almost every fighter who fought Trinidad got hurt. If you're too dumb to see the difference, try reading with your head closer to the screen. It might not help your R/C, but you'll probably get cancer, die younger, and rid the world of your pathetic existence.

Damn, you really, really suck at reading. This is getting pathetic.

[lb 4 lb]

Uh, I didn't say you did:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubio MHS
First, you said that ever power punch that Tito ever landed changed the fight. Then you said that almost every fighter who fought Trinidad got hurt. If you're too dumb to see the difference, try reading with your head closer to the screen. It might not help your R/C, but you'll probably get cancer, die younger, and rid the world of your pathetic existence.

Damn, you really, really suck at reading. This is getting pathetic.
Whatever, mofo. Then show me where I said that then.

[Maverick]

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