Wilfred Benitez vs. Donald Curry @ 147

[Erratic]

Who wins?

[Tam Tam]

I think I'd go with Curry on points, scoring a couple of knockdowns along the way. I always thought he would have been vulnerable to Donald's left hook and speedy style. Slick as he may have been, when Benitez got hit, he tended to get hit flush and he could be hurt.

I think his trips to the canvas are what lose him this fight.

[Xplosive]

I think I'd go with Curry on points, scoring a couple of knockdowns along the way. I always thought he would have been vulnerable to Donald's left hook and speedy style. Slick as he may have been, when Benitez got hit, he tended to get hit flush and he could be hurt.

I think his trips to the canvas are what lose him this fight.

Hate to admit it being as that I'm a big Benitez fan, but I agree. A prime Curry had the style to have beaten Wilfred. At 147 that is.

At 154, I'd favor Benitez.

[Alabama_Man]

This is not even close. Benitez was one of the greatest welterweights of all-time, not to mention the youngest to win a title at that weight range. A prime Benitez stops Curry or makes him quit, he certainly taxes that ass worse than Lloyd did. B)

[Rubio MHS]

3rd youngest or so at welterweight, actually.

[Alabama_Man]

3rd youngest or so at welterweight, actually.

Benitez won the title barely reaching 17.

Who were the 2 younger ones? I'm not saying you're wrong even though you confused a big black guy for a big white guy, but I can't think off the top of my head anyone younger than Benitez, just want to know. B)

[Tam Tam]

Well, no he wasn't barely 17 when he won the welterweight title. So you should check your records there.

Pipino Cuevas was the youngest welterweight champ in history.

[Alabama_Man]

Well, no he wasn't 18 when he won the welterweight title. So you should check your records there.

Pipino Cuevas was the youngest welterweight champ in history


Benitez's birthday was September 12, 1958, he won the title against Cervantes on March 6, 1976.

1976 - 1958 = 18, but Benitez had not had his 18th Birthday that year, in fact he was more than 6 months away from it, hence he was closer to 17 than 18 when he won the title against Cervantes.

Do they teach basic mathematics where you live? Just curious. B)

p.s - I notice you changed your post, but luckily I quoted it before then. B)

[Tam Tam]

Benitez's birthday was September 12, 1958, he won the title against Cervantes on March 6, 1976.

1976 - 1958 = 18, but Benitez had not had his 18th Birthday that year, in fact he was more than 6 months away from it, hence he was closer to 17 than 18 when he won the title against Cervantes.

Do they teach basic mathematics where you live? Just curious. B)

p.s - I notice you changed your post, but luckily I quoted it before then. B)
You do understand that Cervantes wasn't the welterweight champion of the world, right? He beat Palomino for that. Go find your fingers and add up his age for that one, slim.

Start talking junk when you're actually right for once.

[Tam Tam]

That makes two edits on your own post. Keep going, son.

[Alabama_Man]

Pipino Cuevas was the youngest welterweight champ in history.

B) I guess they don't teach basic substraction in Australian schools.

Cuevas was born Friday, December 27, 1957.
He beat Espada on Saturday, July 17, 1976.

It is 6778 days from the start date to the end date, end date included

Or 18 years, 6 months, 21 days including the end date

Benitez was born Friday, September 12, 1958
He knocked out Cervantes Saturday, March 6, 1976

It is 6386 days from the start date to the end date, end date included

Or 17 years, 5 months, 24 days including the end date.

As far as I know, 6386 < 6778 days. So, you should either:

A) Check your records or...
B) Go back to grade school to learn up on basic substraction and how to read a calender.

Class dismissed. B)

[Alabama_Man]

You do understand that Cervantes wasn't the welterweight champion of the world, right? He beat Palomino for that. Go find your fingers and add up his age for that one, slim.

Start talking junk when you're actually right for once.

Wow, such anger.

In my original post I said "not to mention the youngest to win a title at that weight range."

I never said Benitez was "The Champion", I just said he was the youngest to win a title at that weight range.

Don't get your panties in a bunch sweety. I guess reading comprehension, and basic mathematics weren't part of your education. No biggy. :2:

B)

[Tam Tam]

B) I guess they don't teach basic substraction in Australian schools.

Cuevas was born Friday, December 27, 1957.
He beat Espada on Saturday, July 17, 1976.

It is 6778 days from the start date to the end date, end date included

Or 18 years, 6 months, 21 days including the end date

Benitez was born Friday, September 12, 1958
He knocked out Cervantes Saturday, March 6, 1976

It is 6386 days from the start date to the end date, end date included

Or 17 years, 5 months, 24 days including the end date.

As far as I know, 6386 < 6778 days. So, you should either:

A) Check your records or...
B) Go back to grade school to learn up on basic substraction and how to read a calender.

Class dismissed. B)
Great math, genius. Again, its a shame Cervantes wasn't the welterweight champion of the world. Oh and look, you're actually quoted this time....so your edits will look quite stupid now, huh?

Now, fuck off.

A) Check your records...
Gold.

I don't even need to tell you that Benitez didn't KO Cervantes and instead stunk out the arena in possibly the worst 140 pound title fight of all-time. I'm sure you knew that and were simply too embroiled in your own mathematical superiority to realise that in boxing; thats not quite the same thing.

You want to talk maths and feel super smart? Go find a math board. If you want to talk boxing and look like an idiot? Stay here.

We're done.

[Alabama_Man]

You do understand that Cervantes wasn't the welterweight champion of the world, right?


I don't understand your point here. Didn't Cuevas pick up his belt from Espada who in turn picked up a vacant title off Clyde Gray?

Are you really trying to claim Espada is more legit than Cervantes? :rollllling:

Anyway that's not the point, Benitez was younger than Pipino. Next posted to be schooled? :2:

[Rubio MHS]

Benitez won the title barely reaching 17.

Who were the 2 younger ones? I'm not saying you're wrong even though you confused a big black guy for a big white guy, but I can't think off the top of my head anyone younger than Benitez, just want to know. B)Benitez won the World Jr. Weterweight Championship when he was 17 years and 3 months. He won the World Welterweight Championship when he was 20 years and 5 months. Ted "Kid" Lewis was 19 years and 10 months when he won the World Welterweight Championship. The Dixie Kid was 20 years and 4 months when he won the World Welterweight Championship. If we're going to include alphabet titles, Pipino Cuevas was 18 years and 7 months (or 16 years and 7 months, if you believe that version of his birth). Either way, he was younger than Benitez was when he won the World Welterweight Championship.

(I boldfaced the titles, because I know you have trouble telling the difference between 140 and 147.)

[Rubio MHS]

Oh, and Ted "Kid" Lewis was 19 years and 10 months when he won the World Welterweight Championship.

[Alabama_Man]

Great math, genius.
Now, fuck off.

You want to talk maths and feel super smart? Go find a math board. If you want to talk boxing and look like an idiot? Stay here.

We're done.

I just bunched 140-147 in the same weight class, calm down buddy. Even when Ring Magazine did their Welterweight Top 100, they bunched 140 and 147, read my post again. You even bunched 140 and 147 in your "All-time" Welterweight list, so please, relax.

Hey I won't argue over whether Cervantes was more or less legit than Espadas, that's a debate that could go on for millenia, but the fact is Cuevas took the title from Espada who in turn picked up a vacant title off Clyde Gray.

At least Cervantes was considered "the recognized" champ at the time with 10 defenses (one against Esteban De Jesus). That's not just math, it's also a fact. I saw the fight and I thought Benitez won convincingly with clever counter punching, maybe it's just me, but when you land almost 2-1 punches over a fighter, you're probably going to win.

I notice you resorted to using curse words, and vulgar language when you noticed you were wrong. Calm down sweetheart, you're not the first to be wrong about something in boxing. Relax and smell the flowers, enjoy the fresh air. B):dancingguy:

[Rubio MHS]

Cervantes was never the World Welterweight Champion, you moron.

[Alabama_Man]

Cervantes was never the World Welterweight Champion, you moron.

Umm, read my post again.

I said not to mention the youngest to win a title at that weight range.

I bunched 140-147 in the same weight class like many mags do for all-time list (Ring, Boxing Encyclopedia). I never said anything about Benitez's accomplishments purely at 147. You're arguing about something totally different.

Besides, aren't you still busy trying to distinguish between Bert Cooper and Henry Cooper? :rollllling: B)

[Tam Tam]

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:jester:

[Alabama_Man]

:jester:

Simple spelling error. :nixweiss: B)

[Tam Tam]

Simple spelling error. :nixweiss: B)
:jester: :jester: Yeah, sure thats what it was. The subtle addition of the word "range" all of a sudden makes you look like you weren't an idiot, but it just makes you look like you worry too much about this stuff.

At least we all know now that when anyone replies to you, they have to make sure they quote you, otherwise you'll just go back and edit out all your posts, so you don't embarrass yourself.

Talk about exposing yourself...sheesh.

[Alabama_Man]

Yeah, sure thats what it was. The subtle addition of the word "range" all of a sudden makes you look like you weren't an idiot, but it just makes you look like you worry too much about this stuff.

At least we all know now that when anyone relies to you, they have to make sure they quote you, otherwise you'll just go back and edit out all your posts, so you don't embarrass yourself.

Talk about exposing yourself...sheesh.

Hey I'm not the one following people into other threads just to get a "slash" at them. If you're really so right and believe in your claims, why do you have to be so angry and follow me from thread to thread like a lost lil' pup?

It's just boxing discussion right?

:nixweiss:

You're welcome to quote me anytime you want, I try to please my fans. btw, I thought you were "done" with this thread (there's a quotation for you).

:neener: B)

[Tam Tam]

Hey I'm not the one following people into other threads just to get a "slash" at them.p/quote]
Like hell you're not. You've followed Rubio around since he decided to call you on some of your crap.

[quote]If you're really so right and believe in your claims, why do you have to be so angry and follow me from thread to thread like a lost lil' pup?
Sometimes its nice to be as immature as the guys you're making fun of. I don't take the high moral ground around here too often. You seem to pride yourself on it, especially after things go bad for you.

It's just boxing discussion right?
Says the guy who tried to turn a thread into a maths discussion after he got his weight classes, fighters and answers mixed up, realised it, went back and edited out all his posts and tried to save his rep. Too late.

:nixweiss:
Sums up your thoughts on boxing entirely, I think.

[Tam Tam]

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:jester:

[Alabama_Man]

Like hell you're not. You've followed Rubio around since he decided to call you on some of your crap.


Really? Rufio is the one who ducked away from a high school problem in mathematics and then went to attack me in an MMA thread. But the fact that you weren't involved in either debate but seem so knowledgeble about what happened seems to indicate you've been following me around. Kind of creepy actually. B)

...and if you two are so right why did you two have to follow me into a different forum to dish out smacktalk? Are those the actions of two people who believe they're right? Me thinks not.


Says the guy who tried to turn a thread into a maths discussion after he got his weight classes, fighters and answers mixed up, realised it, went back and edited out all his posts and tried to save his rep. Too late.


Says the guy who talks about "internet boxing forum rep", claims he can't afford $50 worth of PPV, and then followed someone into a different forum to try and take a stab. (hilarious on all counts)

Simple spelling error, anyone can read the thread and follow it, and see that you're very angry for being proven wrong (they can also see that you were indeed guilty of editing, I quoted immediately, yet none of my "errornous quotes" were saved? Interesting!) Didn't your own Welterweight list include 140-147? Doesn't Rings? B)

Take some time to get off the keyboard and relax. You've got way too much pent up anger. :nixweiss: :neener:

[Alabama_Man]

:jester:

Sums up your life. :jester:

[Rubio MHS]

Looks like Alabama Man got owned again. Last I heard, you didn't even want to think about answering the two problems I asked. You suck at everything, and now everyone knows.

[Alabama_Man]

Looks like I can't tell the difference between a black and white guy.

True dat. B)

[broadwayjoe]

All this fuss over...what???? Benitez was the youngest Jr. Weltereight champ and Cuevas was the youngest Welterweight champ. Even if Cuevas' claim was not undisputed...Benitez had absolutely NO claim to the Welterweight crown until he beat Palomino.

I don't understand why there are so many posts devoted to discussing this. Oh, wait...I forgot where I am. :jester:

[Tam Tam]

You talkin' smart to me, Mr Joe? :nono:

[Rubio MHS]

All this fuss over...what???? Benitez was the youngest Jr. Weltereight champ and Cuevas was the youngest Welterweight champ. Even if Cuevas' claim was not undisputed...Benitez had absolutely NO claim to the Welterweight crown until he beat Palomino.

I don't understand why there are so many posts devoted to discussing this. Oh, wait...I forgot where I am. :jester:Well, what happened is that Alabama Man went on and on about how Benitez was the youngest Welterweight champion of all time. Both Craig and I pointed out that he wasn't, but he still kept arguing that Benitez was the youngest Welterweight champion of all time. Finally, after two or three pages, Alabama Man figured out that he was wrong, and went back to edit all of his posts. It was pretty funny.

[Alabama_Man]

Is Bert Cooper white?

Actually what happened was Rufio thought that 5,000,000 slavs didn't die during the Holocaust, and he exposed himself as being uneducated. It was pretty funny. Lots of people ridiculed him. B)

Link for reference:
http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15294&page=2

[Rubio MHS]

If they don't die in the gas chamber, it doesn't count.

[Trplsec]

Judges have decided: Alabama Man owned..


Sorry dude I dig you but "weight range"??? You can't do that during a period when there were seperate Champions at 140 and 147 pounds..

By the way, back to the point of the thread, I like Curry in a tentative counter punching affair where Curry's edge in power gets him a narrow but unanimous decision..

Donald Curry was a far more accomplished Welterweight than Benitez.

[Alabama_Man]

Judges have decided: Alabama Man owned Rufio and Fresh from the Ashes.

Donald Curry was a far more accomplished Welterweight than Benitez.

Thanks Trplsec, we're cool.

But Benitez still destroyes Curry, Lloyd did it and Benitez would spank both of them. :dancingguy:

[whiskey]

But Benitez still destroyes Curry, Lloyd did it and Benitez would spank both of them. :dancingguy:

So Benitez would bring an aggressive reckless approach against Curry?

[Alabama_Man]

So Benitez would bring an aggressive reckless approach against Curry?

You know, I saw the Lloyd - Curry fight a while ago, but from what I remember, Lloyd wasn't doing anything very fancy at all.

Basically he was sticking a good 1-2 into Curry's face anytime he was set to punch then would grab or move away.

I think it was the 6th round where Lloyd caught Curry with a masterful counter and Curry was basically on queer street for the rest of the round. The cut might have been caused by a head butt, but I have no doubt if the ref let them continue fighting Curry would've been stopped.

I think Benitez was a much more complete fighter than Lloyd was, and certainly capable of landing massive counters on Curry, especially the one who fought that night.

[Rubio MHS]

Translation: The only fight of Curry's I could find on Youtube was the one where he lost the title.

[Alabama_Man]

Translation: The only fight of Curry's I could find on Youtube was the one where he lost the title.

Are you just a Donald Curry nuthugger?

What did that guy ever do besides reign during a weak Welterweight division?

:nixweiss:

[Rubio MHS]

It's not about what he did; it was about the way he did it. How many people get ranked #1 in the world, pound-for-pound? Not too many, and Curry did. I don't rank Benitez above Curry - Curry doesn't make my top 30 at welterweight, and Benitez does - but Curry had the perfect style to beat Benitez.

[Alabama_Man]

It's not about what he did; it was about the way he did it. How many people get ranked #1 in the world, pound-for-pound? Not too many, and Curry did. I don't rank Benitez above Curry - Curry doesn't make my top 30 at welterweight, and Benitez does - but Curry had the perfect style to beat Benitez.

I'm not saying Curry is crap, but he never beat a superstar elite in his career. When he did get those fights he got massacred (Mike McCallum, Nunn, Norris). I mean the guy got soundly outboxed by Rene Jacquot.

Benitez on the otherhand beat prime Cervantes, somewhat prime Duran, had a very close fight with a prime Thomas Hearns (I thought it was a draw instead of a Majority Decision) and went even steven with prime Surgar Ray Leonard before the somewhat early stoppage.

I just don't see how beating Starling and McCrory make Curry better than Benitez. :nixweiss:

[Trplsec]

Are you just a Donald Curry nuthugger?

What did that guy ever do besides reign during a weak Welterweight division?

:nixweiss:


Weak? He unified the title and had to beat Marlon Starling in the process. Now the below average boxing fan would say "Marlon who?" But the educated boxing fan would understand that Benitez couldn't throw a defensive trick at Curry that Marlon Starling didn't already use during the 24 rounds he fought with Curry.

Starling was as tough to hit as anyone that has ever fought at 147 pounds. Curry beat him twice. On top of that, Curry destroyed a very established Welterweight Champion named Milton McCrory who was one of the Kronk Gym's top monsters at the time.

Seriously Alabama, you seem like a smart guy but diminishing Curry based on him running into a buzz saw like Honeyghan is ridiculous.

Regardless, Benetiz had a single notable win at 147. He was nowhere near the fighter Curry was at Welterweight.

[Alabama_Man]

Weak? He unified the title and had to beat Marlon Starling in the process. Now the below average boxing fan would say "Marlon who?" But the educated boxing fan would understand that Benitez couldn't throw a defensive trick at Curry that Marlon Starling didn't already use during the 24 rounds he fought with Curry.

Starling was as tough to hit as anyone that has ever fought at 147 pounds. Curry beat him twice. On top of that, Curry destroyed a very established Welterweight Champion named Milton McCrory who was one of the Kronk Gym's top monsters at the time.

Seriously Alabama, you seem like a smart guy but diminishing Curry based on him running into a buzz saw like Honeyghan is ridiculous.

Regardless, Benetiz had a single notable win at 147. He was nowhere near the fighter Curry was at Welterweight.

Prime Cervantes, Duran, Hearns, and Ray Leonard are 10 times over Starling and McCrory. Sorry bud.

I'm a big Tito fan and if Tito ever got outboxed by a Rene Jacquot, I'd say he was overrated too. But Tito destroyed the Rene Jacquots he fought and Curry didn't.

[Trplsec]

I'm not saying Curry is crap, but he never beat a superstar elite in his career. When he did get those fights he got massacred (Mike McCallum, Nunn, Norris). I mean the guy got soundly outboxed by Rene Jacquot.

Benitez on the otherhand beat prime Cervantes, somewhat prime Duran, had a very close fight with a prime Thomas Hearns (I thought it was a draw instead of a Majority Decision) and went even steven with prime Surgar Ray Leonard before the somewhat early stoppage.

I just don't see how beating Starling and McCrory make Curry better than Benitez. :nixweiss:

:jester: :jester: OK.... Now I get it.. You are just reading the results of these fights. You never actually saw them.

No one that watched Benitez-Hearns or Benitez-Leonard would make the comments you just made..

[Alabama_Man]

:jester: :jester: OK.... Now I get it.. You are just reading the results of these fights. You never actually saw them.

No one that watched Benitez-Hearns or Benitez-Leonard would make the comments you just made..

Saw almost all of Benitez's fights, and most of Curry's.

I just think there is a lot of overrating of Curry in this thread.

Are you sure you've seen Curry fight besides on highlight reels from youtube? :nixweiss:

[Trplsec]

Saw almost all of Benitez's fights, and most of Curry's.

I just think there is a lot of overrating of Curry in this thread.

Are you sure you've seen Curry fight besides on highlight reels from youtube? :nixweiss:


If you actually watched Hearns-Benitez and called it a draw then you have no business talking boxing...

Likewise, if you think Leonard-Benitez was nip and tuck, then you have no business talking boxing..

End of thread for me.. You honestly are just reading results and haven't seen any of these fights.. I'll let you debate with Rubio... Unreal...

[Alabama_Man]

I lost...

Nice debating with you!

I'm off to lunch break myself, going to hit up the treadmill for an hour. :dancingguy:

[Rubio MHS]

I'm not saying Curry is crap, but he never beat a superstar elite in his career. When he did get those fights he got massacred (Mike McCallum, Nunn, Norris). I mean the guy got soundly outboxed by Rene Jacquot.

Benitez on the otherhand beat prime Cervantes, somewhat prime Duran, had a very close fight with a prime Thomas Hearns (I thought it was a draw instead of a Majority Decision) and went even steven with prime Surgar Ray Leonard before the somewhat early stoppage.

I just don't see how beating Starling and McCrory make Curry better than Benitez. :nixweiss:I smell the stink of Boxrec, with an aftertaste of Youtube. Go ahead. Tell everyone which rounds you gave to Benitez.

[broadwayjoe]

You talkin' smart to me, Mr Joe? :nono:

Nope. You weren't the one claiming Benitez was the youngest Welter champ ever, were you??

[broadwayjoe]

I'm not saying Curry is crap, but he never beat a superstar elite in his career. When he did get those fights he got massacred (Mike McCallum, Nunn, Norris). I mean the guy got soundly outboxed by Rene Jacquot.

Benitez on the otherhand beat prime Cervantes, somewhat prime Duran, had a very close fight with a prime Thomas Hearns (I thought it was a draw instead of a Majority Decision) and went even steven with prime Surgar Ray Leonard before the somewhat early stoppage.

I just don't see how beating Starling and McCrory make Curry better than Benitez. :nixweiss:

What I don't understand is how Curry's fights at 154 and especially 160, when he was clearly on the downside of his career, matter in a discussion of these two fighters at 147. After beating a past-prime and hot and cold Duran (Duran's peformances in his fights immediately before and after the Benitez didn't exactly inspire anyone), Benitez was in over his head against Hearns (no one who actually saw that fight could think it was close and Hearns was even fighting with a broken hand), and then never resembled an elite fighter again.

Benitez didn't exactly look like a worldbeater against Hamsho, Moore & Matthew Hilton. If you're gonna criticize Curry for losing against fighters from a higher weight class, then the same goes for Benitez. And since you mentioned elite fighters...none of these fighters were close to reaching elite status. If Benitez had gotten past Hamsho, he was expected to fight Hagler. Benitez should have sent Hamsho a thank you card for sparing him the beating he would have taken against Hagler. Hamsho roughed Benitez up, but he was never a sharp or hard puncher. I know Benitez was stopped due to a broken ankle against Moore, but at injury occcured as the result of a knockdown.

All that aside...the topic is Curry vs. Benitez at 147. Curry did more at 147 than Benitez. And why are you ignoring Benitez's close calls against Harold Weston & Bruce Curry (who knocked Benitez down three times). Either one of those decisions could have easily gone the other way. Hell...Benitez was lucky to not have a loss to the less-talented Curry brother on his record at 147.

And Curry's opposition at 147 was not weak. There were some good fighters in there like McCrory, Colin Jones, Roger Stafford, Nino LaRocca and one near great in Starling. What was impressive about Curry during his prime was that he didn't just beat these fighters, but he handled them with ease. The only one to really give him a fight was Starling and even then at the end of the fight, there was no doubt who the winner was.

As for the Honeyghan fight...it was pretty obvious that Curry was not at his physical best that night. Nothing against Honeyghan, but he caught Curry on the right night. Honeyghan-Curry when Curry was at his best would most likely have resembled Starling-Honeyghan.

[Rubio MHS]

Yup. That was Alabama_Idiot.

[Alabama_Man]

McCrory, Colin Jones, Roger Stafford, Nino LaRocca

Those guys are considered great fighters now? :nixweiss:

This place smells like boxrec mixed with wet shit. B)

[whiskey]

Those guys are considered great fighters now? :nixweiss:

This place smells like boxrec mixed with wet shit. B)

Read the post again and try to learn from it even if you disagree.

Broadwayjoe has been around for a long time. He's the furthest thing from a boxrec warrior.

[Alabama_Man]

Read the post again and try to learn from it even if you disagree.

Broadwayjoe has been around for a long time. He's the furthest thing from a boxrec warrior.

There's nothing to learn. B)

I read it and I still don't see how that list of names compares to Duran, Cervantes, Leonard, and Hearns. :nixweiss:

Those guys weren't even considered "great" fighters in their own period. He called Marlon Starling a "near great", wtf does that mean? Who did Starling fight at that time that made him "a near great"? David Bolden? :nixweiss:

So apparently Marlon Starling was a near great and the Duran that Benitez fought was old and cold (even though he whipped the shit out of Moore for a title and gave Hagler a competitive fight shortly after).

As I said before, this smells like wet shit, rancid urine, and boxrec all rolled up into one. B)

[broadwayjoe]

Those guys are considered great fighters now? :nixweiss:

This place smells like boxrec mixed with wet shit. B)
First of all, you're putting words in my mouth...which is a sure sign that I'm talking to someone who knows he's wrong. When EXACTLY did I say that McCrory, Colin Jones, Roger Stafford, Nino LaRocca were GREAT fighters? WHEN??? Oh that's right. I DIDN'T. They were GOOD fighters...like I said.

So save your BoxRec comments. I've been a fan of boxing for a long time and I actually watched the fighters and that we are discussing when they actually happened. You sound like Kid Dynamite with a different forum handle. So desperate to be "right" that you will say anything. And as for Duran, Cervantes, Hearns & Leonard...Benitez only fought ONE of them at Welterweight (Leonard) and he lost. So none of those other fights matter in this discussion because we are discussing Curry and Benitez at WELTERWEIGHT.

And frankly...Curry accomplished more and was the better fighter at 147. And I'm pretty sure you know this because you keep reaching outside of both fighters' fights at 147. You can't stick to the topic because you can't "win" if you did so.

As for Starling...anyone who knows anything about his career knows that he definately straddles the Very Good/Great category of fighter. If you have never seen him fight (or will just judge him based on his MIDDLEWEIGHT title fight against Nunn) then you wouldn't know this.

So c'mon...leave the gross exaggerations, putting words in my mouth and references to BoxRec elsewhere and show me what you actually know about these fighters at WELTERWEIGHT. Can you do that?

And how about disputing the rest of my post instead of picking out one line and changing what I said. Can you intelligently dispute what I had to say. If you are as knowledgeable as you claim then you should be able to put in a better effort than your last attempt.

If you don't know much about Curry and are just picking Benitez 'cause he's a bigger name...that's cool...but at least admit it.

Oh, yeah...and in case you forgot my original question....

When EXACTLY did I say that McCrory, Colin Jones, Roger Stafford, Nino LaRocca were GREAT fighters?

[Baron]

Bjoe, still one of the best posters around. :2: (Nothing against you 'bama but joe knows his stuff)

[Alabama_Man]

You said Duran was past his prime and cold, but he won a title after Benitez beat him and gave Hagler a very competitive fight (more so than Hearns). That's why I brought it up.

Then you went on to say that Donald Curry beat a "near great" Marlon Starling. Who did Marlon beat before he fought Curry?

Stop ducking the questions, it's making you look like a boxrec ranger. :nono:

[Alabama_Man]

Bjoe, still one of the best posters around. :2: (Nothing against you 'bama but joe knows his stuff)

B)

[broadwayjoe]

Read the post again and try to learn from it even if you disagree.

Broadwayjoe has been around for a long time. He's the furthest thing from a boxrec warrior.

Thanks, Whiskey. The breaks that I occasionally take from the forum are caused by the headaches that I get reading posts like some of the ones in this topic. I'm all for young and new fans of the sport, but if they don't do their homework before posting we end up with discussion like this.

[Alabama_Man]

Thanks, Whiskey. The breaks that I occasionally take from the forum are caused by the headaches that I get reading posts like some of the ones in this topic. I'm all for young and new fans of the sport, but if they don't do their homework before posting we end up with discussion like this.

Does anyone pay you to talk about boxing? If not then stfu.

You think you're elite because you have 5,000+ post on a boxing messageboard, so now you're some sort of internet zen poster?

Get off your high horse and fuck off with that.

But you still haven't answered my questions which makes me think you are either ducking the question, or don't have an answer. Boxrec won't help you btw. B)

[broadwayjoe]

You said Duran was past his prime and cold, but he won a title after Benitez beat him and gave Hagler a very competitive fight (more so than Hearns). That's why I brought it up.

Then you went on to say that Donald Curry beat a "near great" Marlon Starling. Who did Marlon beat before he fought Curry?

Stop ducking the questions, it's making you look like a boxrec ranger. :nono:

Hold on there. You misquoted me regarding Curry's 147 lb opposition and now you're doing it again. I said Duran was "hot and cold", not just "cold. " My goodness, you are a TERRIBLE poster...your purposely misquoting me smacks of desperation. Duran WAS hot and cold following the loss to Leonard. You only mention the high points of post-Leonard Duran , but try to ignore the rest of his fights. After losing to Leonard, Duran did not impress with wins over Nino Gonzalez and Luigi Minchillo, he then lost to Benitez and then followed that up with a LOSS to Kirkland Laing and another unimpressive win over non-entity Jimmy Batten. So at the time Benitez beat Duran....it wasn't as big of a deal as you're trying to make it sound. Duran then beat washed-up and over his weight Pipino Cuevas and twelve-fight novice "Champ" Davey Moore. Duran did better than expected against an overly tenative Hagler but then was KOed with ease by Hearns.
Duran's post Leonard career was the epitome of a hot and cold fighter. He looked good sometimes and not-so-good sometimes.

Now before I let you get me off track...please respond to what I asked you: When EXACTLY did I call the McCrory, LaRocca, Stafford & Jones GREAT FIGHTERS.

Don't duck this because it will only make you look worse than you already do.

[broadwayjoe]

Does anyone pay you to talk about boxing? If not then stfu.

You think you're elite because you have 5,000+ post on a boxing messageboard, so now you're some sort of internet zen poster?

Get off your high horse and fuck off with that.

But you still haven't answered my questions which makes me think you are either ducking the question, or don't have an answer. Boxrec won't help you btw. B)

Sorry, junior...but you are the epitome of a boxing noob who spends more time arguing and trying to be "right" than actually learning about the sport. You are unable to properly dispute any of what I said without misquoting me, lamely trying to hide BoxRec or getting nasty and insulting. All, of course, are the signs of a poster who doesn't have the facts to back up what he is posting.

[Alabama_Man]

So at the time Benitez beat Duran....it wasn't as big of a deal as you're trying to make it sound. Duran then beat washed-up and over his weight Pipino Cuevas and twelve-fight novice "Champ" Davey Moore. Duran did better than expected against an overly tenative Hagler but then was KOed with ease by Hearns.
Duran's post Leonard career was the epitome of a hot and cold fighter. He looked good sometimes and not-so-good sometimes.


Okay, you didn't say "great" fighters, so according to your own words, Curry never fought any "great" fighters, just some good fighters, and a "near-great". I don't exactly see how that helps your argument. :nixweiss:

I like how you call Davey Moore a "novice" like he was straight out of the amateurs, yet fail to mention that Moore beat the shit out of Ayub Kalule who himself was a multi-time champion and had something like half a dozen defenses of the Jr. Middleweight title before Leonard stopped him.

But I guess when you're trying to twist an argument, you tend to leave out pertinent facts like that. :jester:

Also Hagler was tentative that fight? He couldn't land any shots because Duran, knowing he couldn't swap power for power, came out behind a very tight guard and was frustrating Hagler. Did you even watch the fight?

Also, you still haven't answered who Marlon Starling fought before the Curry fight for you to call him a near-great. Who did he fight that 'such a knowledgeble internet poster' would call him a "near-great"?:nixweiss:

Are you ever going to answer that question? I've asked it 3-4 times and you haven't even once addressed it. I guess that's what happens to a boxrec ranger when he doesn't know the answer, he just avoids it like it never was asked. :neener:

Oh what? No reply? That's what I thought.

"Knows his boxing" my ass. B)

[Alabama_Man]

Sorry, junior...but you are the epitome of a boxing noob who spends more time arguing and trying to be "right" than actually learning about the sport. You are unable to properly dispute any of what I said without misquoting me, lamely trying to hide BoxRec or getting nasty and insulting. All, of course, are the signs of a poster who doesn't have the facts to back up what he is posting.

Great, a 40 year old loser who sits on his computer typing out 5000+ post using the word "noob", you're officially using the terminology of 14 year olds when they play Xbox Live.

We've got a winner ladies and gents. :2:

[broadwayjoe]

Okay, you didn't say "great" fighters, so according to your own words, Curry never fought any "great" fighters, just some good fighters, and a "near-great". I don't exactly see how that helps your argument. :nixweiss:

I like how you call Davey Moore a "novice" like he was straight out of the amateurs, yet fail to mention that Moore beat the shit out of Ayub Kalule who himself was a multi-time champion and had something like half a dozen defenses of the Jr. Middleweight title before Leonard stopped him.

But I guess when you're trying to twist an argument, you tend to leave out pertinent facts like that. :jester:

Also Hagler was tentative that fight? He couldn't land any shots because Duran, knowing he couldn't swap power for power, came out behind a very tight guard and was frustrating Hagler. Did you even watch the fight?

Also, you still haven't answered who Marlon Starling fought before the Curry fight for you to call him a near-great. Who did he fight that 'such a knowledgeble internet poster' would call him a "near-great"?:nixweiss:

Are you ever going to answer that question? I've asked it 3-4 times and you haven't even once addressed it. I guess that's what happens to a boxrec ranger when he doesn't know the answer, he just avoids it like it never was asked. :neener:

Oh what? No reply? That's what I thought.

"Knows his boxing" my ass. B)
First of all...I am not the one purposely misquoting folks, getting insulting and leaning on smilies. That's you. It is nice to see you admit you purposely misquoted me. Putting words in people's mouths never makes an arguement work better. It's almost as weak as making a statement and then going back and editing the post and trying to act as if that's not what you really meant. Good thing you didn't do that...oh, wait...you DID. Or at least you didn't stoop making fake quotes from other posters...oh wait...you DID. As far as i am concerned...everything you say is questionable at the very least.

And if you look at Starling's career in it's entirety (and he fought all but a few fights at 147 so his career can be judged at 147) it's obvious to see the quality of fighter he was. Curry and Starling fought relatively early in their careers and you know this so your trying to stack this question to your side. Starling was a two-time world champion who also beat other world champions like Simon Brown, Honeyghan, Lupe Aquino & Mark Breland...which ALSO is more than Benitez did at 147. And if you have actually SEEN Starling fight...his defensive prowess is up there with anyone who ever fought in that division. Starling had the skills of a great fighter, but his two losses to Curry make me tend to think of him as a very good or near great than a great fighter. This isn't rocket science...Starling was a very talented fighter who fought nearly all of the best fighters in the division at his time and beat almost all of them. I have no problem calling Starling a near-great. And he is certainly a better fighter than anyone that Benitez beat at 147.

And what about Benitez's draw with Harold Weston and 3 knockdown "win" over Bruce Curry...both of which happened at Welterweight. I know you really don't want to discuss those fights because they actually took place in the divison in which the topic is based. And before you go all BoxRec on me...I do know that Benitez did better in the rematches...but that still doesn't erase what happened in the first fights.

As for Duran and Hagler and Moore...they are not really part of the discussion of Benitez & Curry at 147. But my labeling of Duran as hot and cold is definately on target. He looked good sometimes and not so good other times. And Duran's losing to Kirkland Laing in his very next fight after the Benitez fight definately makes Benitez's win over Duran look less impressive.

No matter how hard you try..you are not going to drag me into a discussion of fighters other than the Welterweight verisons of Curry and Benitez and the fighters they faced while at Welterweight. You can keep trying to steer the conversation away from the actual topic and call me names and use whatever other diversionary tactics you may have up your sleeve..but the bottom line is that you KNOW there isn't enough evidence to claim Benitez was better than Curry at 147/

You keep trying to focus on the higher weights because you know there's no way to justify Benitez being better than Curry at 147. Now if you want to discuss who was the greater all-time regardless of division (which is what you are actually trying to do here in the guise of discussing both fighters as Welterweights), then that's a different story. And I can't say that I would disagree with Benitez having the advantage in THAT discussion.

So if you want to keep getting off the actual topic because you don't have a leg to stand on, then that's up to you. But until you actually focus on both fighter and their careers at 147...which is the TOPIC....then you are just using other fighters and fights as a smoke screen.

[broadwayjoe]

Bjoe, still one of the best posters around. :2: (Nothing against you 'bama but joe knows his stuff)

Thanks, Baron.

[broadwayjoe]

Great, a 40 year old loser who sits on his computer typing out 5000+ post using the word "noob", you're officially using the terminology of 14 year olds when they play Xbox Live.

We've got a winner ladies and gents. :2:

Thanks for proving my point. At least I'm not the one who went back and changed his posts earlier in the discussion after getting called out over claiming Benitez was the youngest Welter champ ever and then tried to pretend that's not what he meant all along.

[Rubio MHS]

Also, you still haven't answered who Marlon Starling fought before the Curry fight for you to call him a near-great. Who did he fight that 'such a knowledgeble internet poster' would call him a "near-great"?:nixweiss:

Are you ever going to answer that question? I've asked it 3-4 times and you haven't even once addressed it. I guess that's what happens to a boxrec ranger when he doesn't know the answer, he just avoids it like it never was asked.Well, that's just a stupid question. It wasn't who Starling fought before facing Curry that created the buzz around him, but the way he fought. He later proved he was a near-great by beating Simon Brown, Floyd Mayweather, Mark Breland, Lloyd Honeyghan and Kevin Howard.

[Alabama_Man]

Thanks for proving my point..

That you can act like a 14 year old by calling people "n00bs" online?

Can you imagine a 40+ year old man typing furiously about boxing then ending with the word "n00b"? :jester: Act your fucking age "pops".

The insecurity is just dripping off of you, I feel almost sorry for you. You seek comfort from people online, "Oh thanks for the kudos whiskey" and it's almost as if it makes your life that much more livable. It really comes off as pathetic and needy. I can understand those who are inclined to be verbose (usually old people) but it takes 3-4 post before you actually address a single point of another poster.

The fact is Benitez beat the better competition, and Donald Curry never in his career beat a great fighter (though he was knocked out by a few). You might think 4-5 pounds make a big difference, but level of competition is a bigger factor in this equation and Curry just didn't have it. If you think beating Marlon Starling makes one great, then Kudos to you! B)

I notice btw that you ignored how I called you on Davey Moore, but hey I guess I'd ignore that topic too if I called Moore a "novice". :jester:
This thread is beginning to smell like boxrec and wet shit again. B)

[Alabama_Man]

It wasn't who Starling fought...

Exactly because Starling didn't beat shit before Curry, which is the whole Crux of your boyfriends argument. He could've beaten all those bums while tap dancing, it doesn't make him great.

[Alabama_Man]

And I can't say that I would disagree with Benitez having the advantage

:dancingguy:

[Rubio MHS]

Exactly because Starling didn't beat shit before Curry, which is the whole Crux of your boyfriends argument. He could've beaten all those bums while tap dancing, it doesn't make him great.That's stupid. Just because he hadn't proven his worth yet doesn't mean that he wasn't worthy. You're confusing perceptions of how good Starling was with how good he actually was. Are you arguing this way because you're too stupid to know better, or are you simply obfuscating your lack of knowledge?

[Alabama_Man]

That's stupid. Just because he hadn't proven his worth yet doesn't mean that he wasn't worthy. You're confusing perceptions of how good Starling was with how good he actually was. Are you arguing this way because you're too stupid to know better, or are you simply obfuscating your lack of knowledge?

Umm, fighters get better with experience and Starling at that time had not fought anyone who would test him and improve him. Was Azumah Nelson the same fighter when he fought Salvador as he was when he fought Whitaker or Leija? Starling was fighting bums before Curry, obviously he improved through fighting tougher competition later, what about this don't you understand? Is your chest wound leaking into your brain? :jester:

Again, even after the curry fight, who did starling beat besides 3 year pro raw Simon Brown, glass jawed old Floyd Mayweather, weight-drained Honeyghan, and overrated Breland? :nixweiss:

Anyway the debate is about Curry like your boyfriend said, and it's obvious Curry didn't fight anyone great and Benitez did. Even your boyfriend didn't call Starling a "great" fighter, he called him "near-great" whatever the fuck that means. Curry is overrated and Benitez would've destroyed him.

[broadwayjoe]

And I can't say that I would disagree with Benitez having the advantage :dancingguy:
Oh my God, talking about misquoting and taking things that were said out of context. What I actually said was:



You keep trying to focus on the higher weights because you know there's no way to justify Benitez being better than Curry at 147. Now if you want to discuss who was the greater all-time regardless of division (which is what you are actually trying to do here in the guise of discussing both fighters as Welterweights), then that's a different story. And I can't say that I would disagree with Benitez having the advantage in THAT discussion.



How pathetic is that? Yet another misquote. You really are the second coming of Kid Dynamite. You take a point of view with nothing to seriously support it and then attempt to "win" the discussion by going way off topic, recreate fighters in ways that work for your point of view, misquote folks, get insulting, way overuse the smilies (which I can only guess you hope will disguise the lack of substance in your posts) and will not stop until you get the last word.

[broadwayjoe]

Umm, fighters get better with experience and Starling at that time had not fought anyone who would test him and improve him. Was Azumah Nelson the same fighter when he fought Salvador as he was when he fought Whitaker or Leija? Starling was fighting bums before Curry, obviously he improved through fighting tougher competition later, what about this don't you understand? Is your chest wound leaking into your brain? :jester:

Again, even after the curry fight, who did starling beat besides 3 year pro raw Simon Brown, glass jawed old Floyd Mayweather, weight-drained Honeyghan, and overrated Breland? :nixweiss:

Anyway the debate is about Curry like your boyfriend said, and it's obvious Curry didn't fight anyone great and Benitez did. Even your boyfriend didn't call Starling a "great" fighter, he called him "near-great" whatever the fuck that means. Curry is overrated and Benitez would've destroyed him.

Benitez couldn't even "destroy" Bruce Curry (the much less talented Curry brother), so the chances of him "destroying" Donald Curry are slim to none. Unless "destroying" someone means getting yourself knocked down three times. Who did Benitez "destroy" at 147 that leads you to this conclusion? Geez...who did Benitez ever "destroy" at any weight? Benitez was a slick defensive fighter who frustrated opponents on the way to his wins. I honestly can't recall watching a Benitez fight and thinking "Wow. Benitez destroyed that guy." But I can think of quite a few times while watching Curry...against good opposition like McCrory, Stafford, Jones, LaRocca...when I would say he "destroyed" his opponent.

[Trplsec]

Joe

You're wasting your time brother. Like you, I am old enough to have watched Benitez and Curry back then. Alabama Man lost credibility in my eyes when he said he thought Benitez deserved a draw with Hearns...

In my opinion only someone who viewed the results on BoxRec could draw that conclusion. For those of us that watched the fight live, it was clearly a fairly dominate effort by Hearns who completely out-boxed Benitez.

I think I gave Benitez 3 rounds (out of 15). I have the fight on tape and re-watched it after reading this thread. I still have the same view.

I'm curious if anyone other than BoxRec guru Alabama Man actually thinks Benitez deserved a draw with Hearns.

But again, I agree with Broadway Joe in that only fights at 147 pounds are relevant to this discussion. In that light, Benitez narrowly nipped Palomino and got stopped by SR Leonard.

On the other hand, Donald Curry unified the titles and won 10 Championship fights at welter. Their resumes at 147 aren't even close.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Joe

You're wasting your time brother. Like you, I am old enough to have watched Benitez and Curry back then. Alabama Man lost credibility in my eyes when he said he thought Benitez deserved a draw with Hearns...

In my opinion only someone who viewed the results on BoxRec could draw that conclusion. For those of us that watched the fight live, it was clearly a fairly dominate effort by Hearns who completely out-boxed Benitez.

I think I gave Benitez 3 rounds (out of 15). I have the fight on tape and re-watched it after reading this thread. I still have the same view.

I'm curious if anyone other than BoxRec guru Alabama Man actually thinks Benitez deserved a draw with Hearns.


I think Benitez did good job stealing rounds from Hearns. When Benitez saw he couldn't match with Hearns, he kept rounds quiet and sneaked some of them by doing just a little bit more. Even so, I can't see how he could have won more than six rounds

[Alabama_Man]

blab blab blab kid dynamite blab blab.

I'm the second coming of Kid Dynamite? Mike Tyson? Who is this magical person that has earned your scorn? Unlike you I don't invest my entire life into internet boxing forums so I'm going to have a bit of trouble identifying random internet personalities.

As for this debate I have no problem admitting I'm wrong if someone can put forth a sound argument, that I can completely back up myself and agree with. So far in this thread, you haven't been the one to do it. I don't have any personal stake in this, I'm just discussing this because I find it interesting. So far you're the only person to bring up "winning and losing" in an internet messageboard which I find exceedingly hilarious. It shows how much you have vested in the internet which is kind of sad to be completely honest.

The fact that you must try to "stab at me" in every post, and make it personal over a simple discussion about a mythical matchup which will never happen shows that you are a childish 40 year old loser, who happens to use 14 year old lingo when you get angry (noob :jester: ). Substance my ass.

But hey, I noticed that you never answered my question or discussed the fact that Curry never fought anyone great and in your own words he fought "good" and one "near-great" fighter.

Benitez beat great fighters period, Curry didn't. B)

[Alabama_Man]

blah blah 147!!!! blah blah

First off I've noticed you've tried to turn this debate into a "Benitez's resume and Curry's resume" as a welter. That's not what I care about at all. Benitez stayed at Welter for a short time and then chased the big money fights one class up. I'm talking about if both fighters were in their prime, and fought at 147 which is what I thought this thread was about. The fact that Benitez didn't stick around at 147 for long is moot, he could've but he chose to fight bigger names one class up.

That's like saying Ricardo Lopez couldn't beat Michael Carbajal because he fought the majority of his career at minimumweight, and Carbajal accomplished more at light flyweight. Obviously that's a stupid way to look at things, but that's exactly what kind of dynamic you're trying to apply which is idiotic.

In fact I have a thread in this very forum that covers a Carbajal and Lopez fight at 108, guess who's winning in that one by popular opinion? Oh wow, the lighter Lopez, what a surprise. But according to your logic (and trplsec), Lopez didn't accomplish as much at 108 so he would get his ass kicked by Carbajal automatically. :loveballs:

If you want to discuss resumes, start another thread and have a ball kiddo. That's not the debate here.

...against good opposition like McCrory, Stafford, Jones, LaRocca...when I would say he "destroyed" his opponent.

Exactly, "Good" opposition, not great. Benitez fought great fighters period.

Competition is a much more important indicator of who would win and by your own admission Curry didn't fight anyone great.

Curry might have beaten more people as a Welter, but I think Benitez fought tougher people on the whole in his career.

Based on competition levels, Benitez would skunk the shit out of Curry.

As for Bruce Curry, he was an undefeated prospect at the time and by Benitez's own words he took him lightly. Even with 3 knockdowns, one of which was questionable, Benitez schooled the shit out of Bruce and won the fight. Plus Bruce Curry fought about as stiff competition as his brother, that says a lot. :jester:

[Alabama_Man]

I think Benitez did good job stealing rounds from Hearns. When Benitez saw he couldn't match with Hearns, he kept rounds quiet and sneaked some of them by doing just a little bit more. Even so, I can't see how he could have won more than six rounds

Exactly my point, I think trplsec must be a benitez hater or a guy who just loves Hearns because this fight is a hotly debated fight on most messageboards. Hearns didn't do enough in the middle rounds in my opinion to deserve the win, I gave him 8 rounds max. I wouldn't have been disappointed by a draw at all.

Finally someone who doesn't smell like boxrec and wet shit mixed into one. B)

[Rubio MHS]

Umm, fighters get better with experience and Starling at that time had not fought anyone who would test him and improve him. No. Some fighters get better with experience, and some fighters don't. Fighters who get by on their brains like Lennox Lewis and Wilfred Benitez get better with experience, but many fighters who rely on their bog-given talents like Starling and Roy Jones really don't. Was Azumah Nelson the same fighter when he fought Salvador as he was when he fought Whitaker or Leija? No, he was better against Salvador. Anyone who's seen those fights would tell you that. You're just using a blanket statement to hide the fact that all you really know about Benitez and Curry comes from Boxrec and maybe the Cyber Boxing Zone.

[Alabama_Man]

Starling and Roy Jones really don't.

And you know this how? Didn't Starling get all his best wins after Curry? How would that indicate that he didn't get better after Curry? You don't have any way of knowing that except your opinion which has produced such gems as,

- Mistaking Bert Cooper for Henry Cooper
- Claiming Nazi's didn't kill any Slavs or Catholics
- Ring magazine crowning Vitali champion against their own rules (even though Vitali beat Sanders for the eliminator).
I seriously think your bad kidney might be affecting your bad brain. :jester:


No, he was better against Salvador. Anyone who's seen those fights would tell you that .

Really anyone would tell me Nelson was the best in his career 13 fights into it? Or would people just call you stupid for totally disregarding his championship run which happened some years after the Sanchez fight?

Nelson had most of his biggest wins after Salvador and he in his own words called the Salvador fight one of the best learning experiences he's ever had. He didn't even start his championship reign until well after Salvador Sanchez died.

So stfu with your "he was at his best barely 13 fights into his career" bullshit. I seriously think your chest wound is leaking into your brain. B)

[Tam Tam]

Good thing you're among friends here, Bama? What a tool.

[Alabama_Man]

Good thing you're among friends here, Bama? What a tool.

Says the guy who was just banned here a few weeks ago but still crawls his way back, right Mr. Cum-baya? :jester:

Let's see, a near 200 post thread welcoming me back (after 5 years), friends inviting me to their fancy restaurants in the city, and people sending me boxing tapes for free after only 3 weeks back, yeah I'd say I'm back amongst friends. Let's see if someday the memory of "Tam Tam" endears so long, I'm not holding my breath. B)

As for your likeability here:


from the ashes is a complete loser who runs another failed forum. The best thing for him to do is kill himself.

cupey



Is this another one of many aliases, Kumbaya? You must be someone who either forgot their username or got canned. :jester:

Buddy Rydell



That prick (Fresh from the Ashes) was so distraught after Morales-Pac I that he had to resort to a tirade of racial slurs against Morales only to get himslef banned for the 9th time. :jester:

Caligula II



I get banned here all the time.

Mr Cum-baya aka Fresh from the Asses


The fact is you're still bitter over me exposing you for the prick you were at "that other" forum and a few posters disagree with me on a mythical boxing match that will never happen.
oh noes! :loveballs:

But you still follow me from thread to thread stalking me, you still complained about paying a measly $50 for PPV matches, and you still ran a boxing forum that could've had thousands of posters potentially into the fucking ground. Talk about utter failure. It's okay, keep following me from thread to thread and sucking my cock sweety, I'm sure King Kabuki will be there to caress your bitter head when you choke on my sugar. :jester:

Plus, weren't you banned from here Mr. 10+ accounts and 35,000+ post?

What a joke, dismissed sweet tart.

p.s - If you want to talk purely smack, go make a post about me in the correct forum and get that shit out of here if you don't care about the Benitez-Curry debate. Tool indeed. B)

[Rubio MHS]

And you know this how?
From watching fights. You should try it sometime.
Didn't Starling get all his best wins after Curry?
Sure. That doesn't mean he was better. Muhammad Ali got his best wins in the 1970s, but he was considerably better before the exile.
How would that indicate that he didn't get better after Curry? Again, watch the fights, and stop being a tool.

You know nothing about boxing that you didn't read off of Boxrec.

[Alabama_Man]

From watching fights.

So basically you don't know shit. Thanks for that affirmation. :2:

[Rubio MHS]

Um, no. I was a fight fan before you were born (which was probably 13 years ago), and I actually watched these fighters you know nothing about.

[Alabama_Man]

Um, no. I was a fight fan before you were born (which was probably 13 years ago), and I actually watched these fighters you know nothing about.

So you're basically an old fat ass who thinks he knows boxing because he's 40+ years old and has a gaping chest wound? :nixweiss:

[Rubio MHS]

I'm 33, and I don't see what business you have talking about fighters you've never seen.

[Alabama_Man]

I'm 33, and I don't see what business you have talking about fighters you've never seen.

Just as I thought, old fart who sits at home all day. Thanks for that info. B)

[Rubio MHS]

Who said that? I watched Starling, Curry and Benitez when they were still boxing, and since then, I've seen more from downloading and tape trading. You haven't actually seen these guys fight. That's a fact.

[Alabama_Man]

Who said that? I watched Starling, Curry and Benitez when they were still boxing, and since then, I've seen more from downloading and tape trading. You haven't actually seen these guys fight. That's a fact.

I haven't seen much of Starling, but I've seen every one of Curry's big fights through tape. He was overrated, but maybe you're 40 year old kidney pains are preventing you from realizing that.

[Rubio MHS]

You're full of shit. Everyone knows you lie about the fights you've seen.

[Alabama_Man]

You're full of shit. Everyone knows you lie about the fights you've seen.

Yeah you might have seen Marlon Starling fight live, but that just makes you old, and at least my chest isn't slashed up with a gaping wound. :neener:

[Rubio MHS]

Yeah you might have seen Marlon Starling fight live, but that just makes you old, and at least my chest isn't slashed up with a gaping wound. :neener:Um, neither is mine. You don't know shit about the division, otherwise you wouldn't have spent three pages arguing that Benitez was the youngest welterweight in the world. I mean, how dumb was that? Everyone makes errors, but to spend post after post defending one of the dumbest to hit the forum?

[Alabama_Man]

Um, neither is mine. You don't know shit about the division, otherwise you wouldn't have spent three pages arguing that Benitez was the youngest welterweight in the world. I mean, how dumb was that? Everyone makes errors, but to spend post after post defending one of the dumbest to hit the forum?

I obviously included 140-147 as an all-time class. :loveballs:

But you confused Bert Cooper for Henry Cooper. :jester:

I think all your boxing knowledge and credibility went out the window when you did that. B)

[Rubio MHS]

Nope! You said that Benitez was the youngest welterweight champion of all time. Once you were caught out, you went back and edited every post. Pathetic.

[Alabama_Man]

Nope! You said that Benitez was the youngest welterweight champion of all time. Once you were caught out, you went back and edited every post. Pathetic.

You still have a bad kidney and can't tell a white guy from a black guy. :jester:

[Rubio MHS]

I've gotten back to full kidney function since the surgery. There's still serious atrophy, but it's now working fine.

Come on. Tell us all how embarrassing it was to argue that Benitez was the youngest World Welterweight Champion for days on end, only to figure out that you were a dumbass? I mean, anyone can scroll back to the first couple of pages and see how you went on and on about it, and then edited every one of your posts. Do you really want this topic to be bumped ad nauseam?

[Alabama_Man]

I've gotten back to full kidney function since the surgery. There's still serious atrophy, but it's now working fine.



:jester:

Rufio mistaking a black guy for a white guy:
http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15273

This is the most embarassing thing I've ever seen actually. :rollllling:

[Rubio MHS]

Two heavyweights named Cooper. What's the big deal? ANYONE clicking on this thread can see how you argued for pages and pages about Benitez being the youngest World Welterweight Champion.

[Alabama_Man]

Two heavyweights named Cooper. What's the big deal?

Anyone can click that link and see that you can't tell a big black guy from a big white guy. :jester:

[Rubio MHS]

I'm coming off surgery, and I'm suffering from intermittent amnesia and aphasia. I copped to that months ago.

[Alabama_Man]

I'm coming off surgery, and I'm suffering from intermittent amnesia and aphasia. I copped to that months ago.

I had to look up what Aphasia meant.


Aphasia (or aphemia) is a loss or impairment of the ability to produce and/or comprehend language, due to brain damage.


Did you get into a car wreck? :nixweiss:

[Rubio MHS]

It's only mild aphasia at nighttime, a minor annoyance. I thought it was gone. One night, I'll be reading about Bible archaeology or contextual political philosophy, and the next night, I can't handle much more than a Harry Potter movie, or this shithole. I just have to proofread everything I write after 9:00 PM or so.

[cdogg187]

:jester: :jester: Yeah, sure thats what it was. The subtle addition of the word "range" all of a sudden makes you look like you weren't an idiot, but it just makes you look like you worry too much about this stuff.

At least we all know now that when anyone replies to you, they have to make sure they quote you, otherwise you'll just go back and edit out all your posts, so you don't embarrass yourself.

Talk about exposing yourself...sheesh.:2: :2:

[Tam Tam]

:2: :2:
Where have you been for the past year or so, faggot? :box:

[cdogg187]

Where have you been for the past year or so, faggot? :box:

I didn't have a computer until last week:boohoo:

I'm sorry:sulkoff:

[ILLUMINATI]

I didn't have a computer until last week:boohoo:

I'm sorry:sulkoff:

whats is this?











A cheap JEW?...fdgdssddw shocking.

[cdogg187]

whats is this?











A cheap JEW?...fdgdssddw shocking.

:rollllling: :rollllling:




NEIN!:1:

[Neil]

Well Id pick Curry at his best over Benitez.

and Alabama man is a dullard:jester: