FELIX TRINIDAD VS ROBERTO DURAN P4P

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Who wins?

[Alabama_Man]

Depends on the Duran who shows up.

The Duran who fought Ray Leonard the first time has a good chance of getting the decision or stoppage.

The Duran who showed up against Hearns at 154 gets brutalized by Tito's power.

[Hut*Hut]

Pick'em. Tito doesn't KO Duran under any circumstances; his power might be comprable to Hearns, but thats where the similarity ends; but I think his height and accurate straight right would buy him some success. I'd fancy Duran to pull out a razor thin 15 round decision though at 154lb or 160lb. At 147lb Duran would be a clear winner.

[Tam Tam]

Duran walks through Trinidad, pounds his frail body and stops him in around 8 or 9.

[Hex-One]

Duran walks through Trinidad, pounds his frail body and stops him in around 8 or 9.:jester:

[Alabama_Man]

:jester:

Some people you just have to ignore. :jester:

[Donnybrook]

Wait a minute, this is PxP, right? Both at their best...so I assume an optimal 135 lb. version of Duran vs. an optimal 147/154 lb. version of Trinidad?

Duran. And it should be pretty clear, I think.

Peace.

[Tam Tam]

Wait a minute, this is PxP, right? Both at their best...so I assume an optimal 135 lb. version of Duran vs. an optimal 147/154 lb. version of Trinidad?

Duran. And it should be pretty clear, I think.

Peace.
You try telling that to the Puerto Rican parade.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Duran would hug his way to a decision, ruining Tito's attempts to actually fight

[cdogg187]

Anybody Whp THinks Trinidad would do anything except beat up by Duran in a P4P matchup needs to just quit discussing or even thinking about Boxing anymore

[Alabama_Man]

Anybody Whp THinks Trinidad would do anything except beat up by Duran in a P4P matchup needs to just quit discussing or even thinking about Boxing anymore

Right because USA Today is paying you $200,000 a year to write about boxing for your respected opinion?:loveballs:

I can understand these fat out of shape (unemployed in Fresh from the Asses' case) mid-30s to 40s armchair fighters thinking their opinion is correct, but just because someone doesn't agree with them, now they only have the right to discuss boxing?

I swear some of you need to take a good look at yourselves in the mirror because that's not "hot shit" you're looking at, it's just the regular smelly wet stuff. B)

[Alabama_Man]

Duran would hug his way to a decision, ruining Tito's attempts to actually fight

:jester:

[cdogg187]

Right because USA Today is paying you $200,000 a year to write about boxing for your respected opinion?:loveballs:

I can understand these fat out of shape (unemployed in Fresh from the Asses' case) mid-30s to 40s armchair fighters thinking their opinion is correct, but just because someone doesn't agree with them, now they only have the right to discuss boxing?

I swear some of you need to take a good look at yourselves in the mirror because that's not "hot shit" you're looking at, it's just the regular smelly wet stuff. B)

Duran>Trinidad

End of story

[Xplosive]

P4P of otherwise it doesnt matter, the best version of Duran would beat Tito's ass.

The Duran at 147 that beat Palimino, and Leonard would beat any 147 version of Tito.

The 154 Duran that beat Moore would beat the Tito that beat Reid, and Vargass.

The Duran at 160 that beat Barkley would beat any 160 version of Tito.

In other words, Duran was simply a better fighter than Tito and would beat him everytime.

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P4P of otherwise it doesnt matter, the best version of Duran would beat Tito's ass.

The Duran at 147 that beat Palimino, and Leonard would beat any 147 version of Tito.

The 154 Duran that beat Moore would beat the Tito that beat Reid, and Vargass.

The Duran at 160 that beat Barkley would beat any 160 version of Tito.

In other words, Duran was simply a better fighter than Tito and would beat him everytime.
He was a better fighter but not a harder puncher. Duran was a mauler and I can't see him standing in the pocket with Tito and not getting KO'd. I feel if Hearns could hurt him Tito could too. Maybe I'm wrong but I also feel too many people look at the old school fighters resume' and compare that to the resume' of the fighter they're being matched with without actually breaking down both fighters strengths, styles, and abilities in a head to head matchup. Especially for Duran who has to be the most overblown guy ever. I mean every matchup the guy is in his opponent is never even given a chance.

[Maverick]

Especially for Duran who has to be the most overblown guy ever. I mean every matchup the guy is in his opponent is never even given a chance.


I agree.

[Alabama_Man]

He was a better fighter but not a harder puncher. Duran was a mauler and I can't see him standing in the pocket with Tito and not getting KO'd. I feel if Hearns could hurt him Tito could too. Maybe I'm wrong but I also feel too many people look at the old school fighters resume' and compare that to the resume' of the fighter they're being matched with without actually breaking down both fighters strengths, styles, and abilities in a head to head matchup. Especially for Duran who has to be the most overblown guy ever. I mean every matchup the guy is in his opponent is never even given a chance.

Agreed x 2.

[Hut*Hut]

He was a better fighter but not a harder puncher. Duran was a mauler and I can't see him standing in the pocket with Tito and not getting KO'd. I feel if Hearns could hurt him Tito could too. Maybe I'm wrong but I also feel too many people look at the old school fighters resume' and compare that to the resume' of the fighter they're being matched with without actually breaking down both fighters strengths, styles, and abilities in a head to head matchup. Especially for Duran who has to be the most overblown guy ever. I mean every matchup the guy is in his opponent is never even given a chance.

You talk about matching up the styles, as far as I can see, your basically just generalizing from the Hearns fight :- Hearns KOd Duran, Tito can punch like Hearns so he KOs him too. It wasn't Hearns power that beat Duran though, it was his ability to keep him at the end of a telephone pole and drill him from way, way out with blistering speed. Tito doesn't fight like that at all. The Barkley fight would be a much better comparison to a Duran-Trinidad fight.

[cdogg187]

You talk about matching up the styles, as far as I can see, your basically just generalizing from the Hearns fight :- Hearns KOd Duran, Tito can punch like Hearns so he KOs him too. It wasn't Hearns power that beat Duran though, it was his ability to keep him at the end of a telephone pole and drill him from way, way out with blistering speed. Tito doesn't fight like that at all. The Barkley fight would be a much better comparison to a Duran-Trinidad fight.

exactly, the fact that Duran was 20 pounds ove rhis prime weight and a good 5 or 6 years removed from his prime certainly didn't hurt Hearns chances.

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You talk about matching up the styles, as far as I can see, your basically just generalizing from the Hearns fight :- Hearns KOd Duran, Tito can punch like Hearns so he KOs him too. It wasn't Hearns power that beat Duran though, it was his ability to keep him at the end of a telephone pole and drill him from way, way out with blistering speed. Tito doesn't fight like that at all. The Barkley fight would be a much better comparison to a Duran-Trinidad fight.
No I wasn't. I said I can't see him staying in Tito's face fighting him as a brawler without getting KO'd. The only reference I made to Hearns was comparing punching power since both had it in spades. Tito IMO was one of the hardest punchers ever and when he was at his best he was very good at breaking down his opponents with highly accurate hard shots. Now I'm not saying he beats Duran because to be honest I haven't seen too much of Duran at his best, but I do know enough of Tito at his best that almost all brawler type fighters have a good shot of losing to him. I'm sure that includes Duran.

[Tam Tam]

No I wasn't. I said I can't see him staying in Tito's face fighting him as a brawler without getting KO'd.
Rubbish. Duran rarely took a flush shot and when he did, it rarely bothered him and basically made him knock on you even harder. NOBODY outbrawled Duran. Ever. Duran was hit by guys who hit every bit as hard as Tito did and only ever went away once...but a dude about half a foot taller, in his prime and who had the handspeed to take advantage of that size.

Trinidad had none of this.

Not only would Duran pistol whip Tito P4P, he'd have done the same thing to Trinidad @ 147, even giving up that size and divisional disadvantage. He was just THAT much better than Tito.

You made a statement earlier in this thread that you thought Duran was one of the most overblown guys ever...and then come out with this gem:

because to be honest I haven't seen too much of Duran at his best
I think we suspected as much before hand, but thanks for making it clear.

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Rubbish. Duran rarely took a flush shot and when he did, it rarely bothered him and basically made him knock on you even harder. NOBODY outbrawled Duran. Ever. Duran was hit by guys who hit every bit as hard as Tito did and only ever went away once...but a dude about half a foot taller, in his prime and who had the handspeed to take advantage of that size.

Trinidad had none of this.

Not only would Duran pistol whip Tito P4P, he'd have done the same thing to Trinidad @ 147, even giving up that size and divisional disadvantage. He was just THAT much better than Tito.

You made a statement earlier in this thread that you thought Duran was one of the most overblown guys ever...and then come out with this gem:


I think we suspected as much before hand, but thanks for making it clear.
Well I respect your opinion and don't disagree with it seeing as how like I said, I haven't seen much of him at his best. I still think guys will come on here too often and just hand old school fighters the win without even thinking the fight through.

Here's a question though just out of curiousity. What fighters did Duran face that hit just as hard as Tito?

[Tam Tam]

Here's a question though just out of curiousity. What fighters did Duran face that hit just as hard as Tito?
Well, its all subjective because we can't really say for sure in these kinds of cases. However, Hearns, Cuevas, Barkley and Moore all fit into that category, IMO.

Trinidad was more of an accurate, well timed puncher than a pure power puncher, IMO. More importantly in the context of this fight, HEwould be the fighter more vulnerable to a knockout loss. At 135, Duran was a very heavy puncher, who fired hard for fifteen rounds, from all angles, to the head and body.

I just don't see a way Trinidad can win the fight. :nixweiss:

[cdogg187]

Well, its all subjective because we can't really say for sure in these kinds of cases. However, Hearns, Cuevas, Barkley and Moore all fit into that category, IMO.

Trinidad was more of an accurate, well timed puncher than a pure power puncher, IMO. More importantly in the context of this fight, HEwould be the fighter more vulnerable to a knockout loss. At 135, Duran was a very heavy puncher, who fired hard for fifteen rounds, from all angles, to the head and body.

I just don't see a way Trinidad can win the fight. :nixweiss:

right on the money

[Donnybrook]

You talk about matching up the styles, as far as I can see, your basically just generalizing from the Hearns fight :- Hearns KOd Duran, Tito can punch like Hearns so he KOs him too. It wasn't Hearns power that beat Duran though, it was his ability to keep him at the end of a telephone pole and drill him from way, way out with blistering speed. Tito doesn't fight like that at all. The Barkley fight would be a much better comparison to a Duran-Trinidad fight.

Mmmm...I agree that the Hearns comparison/generalization isn't accurate, but would disagree that Duran-Trinidad PxP would play out like Duran-Barkley.

And if you are talking a 147 lb. version of Trinidad, most DEFINITELY his long jab and long punching and better mobility would be factors in the fight....though I think Duran still wins it PxP.

At 147, I am not as sure, personally.

Peace.

[Hut*Hut]

Mmmm...I agree that the Hearns comparison/generalization isn't accurate, but would disagree that Duran-Trinidad PxP would play out like Duran-Barkley.

And if you are talking a 147 lb. version of Trinidad, most DEFINITELY his long jab and long punching and better mobility would be factors in the fight....though I think Duran still wins it PxP.

At 147, I am not as sure, personally.

Peace.

I was talking about a 154 or 160lb Duran vs Tito.....I don't even ackowledge p4p 'match ups', they're ridiculous.:9:

[jaws1216]

Well, its all subjective because we can't really say for sure in these kinds of cases. However, Hearns, Cuevas, Barkley and Moore all fit into that category, IMO.

Trinidad was more of an accurate, well timed puncher than a pure power puncher, IMO. More importantly in the context of this fight, HEwould be the fighter more vulnerable to a knockout loss. At 135, Duran was a very heavy puncher, who fired hard for fifteen rounds, from all angles, to the head and body.

I just don't see a way Trinidad can win the fight. :nixweiss:

cmon I love Duran like my right hand, but there's no way Davey Moore hits as hard as Tito Trinidad.

And had these Duran haters ever seen his lightweight fights they could bring up the first DeJesus fight. He stood inside and basically was better than Duran for 10 rounds. That said, Trinidad is too robotic and predictable. Duran would adjust and PUNISH him.

[Xplosive]

The overrating of Tito shall never end.

[CleanYourClock]

Who wins?

If this is p4p , then Duran ... This is not even a close call ...

If you have them fighting at some kind of certain weight , then it could be different ..

[Free Ike]

The overrating of Tito shall never end.
Sorry, but Duran is extremely overrated as well. Duran did FUCK ALL at 160. People can point all day at the Barkley fight neglecting to say the obvious which is Duran came nowhere near legitimately beating Barkley. It was a gift. Barkley got kd'd late and most of you Duran sack slurpers gave him a 10-5 round for that to justify the scorecards. Get this straight . Barkley beat Duran and easily, by no less than 3 rounds. Duran was an ugly mauling slob.

At 147, this fight isn't as easy to pick as you think, although comparing Tito's power to Hearns' is stupid at best. Tommy hit way harder and more importantly way faster and he was about 1 million times better in every way possible.

I would pick Duran. He would win on the inside and he could take Tito's punches, but it would be close and more importantly Roberto Oquendo Sr. would make it ugly and unwatchable. More importantly, I would root for Tito to decapitate that boring bastard, but he would lose a close UD or a SD.

[Jake]

P4P of otherwise it doesnt matter, the best version of Duran would beat Tito's ass.

The Duran at 147 that beat Palimino, and Leonard would beat any 147 version of Tito.

The 154 Duran that beat Moore would beat the Tito that beat Reid, and Vargass.

The Duran at 160 that beat Barkley would beat any 160 version of Tito.

In other words, Duran was simply a better fighter than Tito and would beat him everytime.
The Duran at 160 barely beat Barkley, if even deserving at all. I think Trinidad would beat him there, and I also wouldn't rule out 154, either.

P4P, I won't question that Duran beats - or even stops - Trinidad. But your post is a bit extreme.