Final Predictions:J.Calzaghe vs. Peter Manfredo. & Diego Corrales vs. Joshua Clottey

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

Joe Calzaghe by TKO 8


Joshua Clottey by TKO 10

[whiskey]

Calzaghe UD
Clottey KO 9

[bigdawg]

I got Chico with a late rd stoppage. I think that he has much to prove and 147 will be the weight in which he will do so. I got Calslappy winning a very/lopsidded decision due to the fact Manfredo is a nobody and claslappy is known to fight down to his competition. I'll Holla 5000

[ElTerriblee]

Calzaghe KO2
Clottey TKO7 unfortunately

[D.C. Pizza Master]

Calzaghe by TKO in 10

Corrales vs Clottey...dont care

[LATIN KING]

Calzague by UD

Clottey KO 10

[IgiveUpImEricMoralesISuck]

Joe Calzaghe by TKO 2nd round

Seen Peter fight, not impress at all. Looks like another bum for calzaghe to add to his wins. :blobbox:

[lb 4 lb]

Calzaghe UD Manfredo - Never seen Manfredo fight before, so this is just a guess.

J. Clottey KO 7 Corrales - Clottey has the vastly superior defense and since Chico only brawls, I say he gets KO'd, with him being relatively chinny and all.

[IgiveUpImEricMoralesISuck]

search on youtube if you haven't seen peter manfredo fight, you should find something on there.

[Matchup_Analyzer]

Nobody predicting a cuts or swelling stoppage in the Calzaghe fight?

[Antwuan Maxx]

Calzaghe TKO via one sided beatdown
Corrales UD

[Double L]

Seen Peter fight, not impress at all.

which is exactly why Joe's chosen him as his opponent. and Joe will most likely win. in fact, my prediction is that he wins a long and tedious and utterly stinky decision, like he usually does, with a friendly ref, friendly judges and a friendly crowd, just the way Joe likes it. an over-matched opponent, the cards decked against him, his whimpering pig of a promoter in the stands, and macho shit talk afterwards with out-right lies about his future plans.

still, i pray that Manfredo wins, and would view it as a minor miracle should it happen.

now, onto the real fight this weekend, the one involving a real champion:

Corrales UD Clottey, semi-controversial, but with Diego having landed the cleaner shots.

[KaukipRrr]

Kessler's bitch KO 11.
Margarito's bitch KO 4.

[Double L]

I got Chico with a late rd stoppage. I think that he has much to prove and 147 will be the weight in which he will do so. I got Calslappy winning a very/lopsidded decision due to the fact Manfredo is a nobody and claslappy is known to fight down to his competition. I'll Holla 5000

is that an Argentin Dogo? sweet dog.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Calzaghe KO 5

Clottey TKO 11.

[Double L]

Calzaghe KO 5

Clottey TKO 11.

but you're hoping for a Manfredo victory, correct?

[jarhead]

Calzaghe UD

Clottey TKO 9

[dsimon3387]

which is exactly why Joe's chosen him as his opponent. and Joe will most likely win. in fact, my prediction is that he wins a long and tedious and utterly stinky decision, like he usually does, with a friendly ref, friendly judges and a friendly crowd, just the way Joe likes it. an over-matched opponent, the cards decked against him, his whimpering pig of a promoter in the stands, and macho shit talk afterwards with out-right lies about his future plans.

still, i pray that Manfredo wins, and would view it as a minor miracle should it happen.

now, onto the real fight this weekend, the one involving a real champion:

Corrales UD Clottey, semi-controversial, but with Diego having landed the cleaner shots.

dsimon writes;

Yeah that is how I see it. Man it would be nice if Manfredo does something though. Who knows? He sounds like he had a great camp and Sugar Ray isn't the worse guy to advise. Manfredo is young also isn't he?

The things that Manfredo have is that Calzighe, with all his ability and well roundedness is not really a presser, is not super fast and didn't look that great since Lacy. If he can be effective he could bid his time and maybe frustrate Joe. I know I am dreaming but it would be so nice to see Joe get shut the fuck up and be forced to fight somoene that is his calibre of opponent.

[Baron]

Calzaghe TKO 7
Corrales Split decision

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

Joe Calzaghe: 13
ILLUMINATI: Calzaghe by TKO 8
whiskey: Calzaghe by UD
bigdawg: Calzaghe by UD
ElTerriblee: Calzaghe by KO 2
D.C. Pizza Master: Calzaghe by TKO 10
LATIN KING: Calzaghe by UD
IgiveUpImEricMoralesISuck: Calzaghe by TKO 2
lb 4 lb: Calzaghe by UD
Antwuan Maxx: Calzaghe by UD
KaukipRrr: Calzaghe by KO 11
royyjonesjrp4pno1: Calzaghe by KO 5
jarhead: Calzaghe by UD
Baron: Calzaghe by TKO 7


Peter Manfredo Jr.: 0




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Joshua Clottey: 8
ILLUMINATI: Clottey by TKO 10
whiskey: Clottey by KO 9
ElTerriblee: Clottey by TKO 7
LATIN KING: Clottey by KO 10
lb 4 lb: Clottey by KO 7
KaukipRrr: Clottey by KO 4
royyjonesjrp4pno1: Clottey by TKO 11
jarhead: Clottey by TKO 9





Diego Corrales: 4
bigdawg: Corrales by KO ??
Antwuan Maxx: Corrales by UD
Double L: Corrales by UD
Baron: Corrales by SD

[CleanYourClock]

Calzaghe - UD 116-112
Clottey KO 10

[Double L]

Calzaghe UD
Corrales SD

[IgiveUpImEricMoralesISuck]

Have any of you seen the weigh in pics? Joe Calzahge looks in great shape, and Manfredo looks like he hasn't sleept for like 100 days... :laughing:

Manfredo is afraid big time, he won't even look joe in the eyes

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/57/fullj.getty-73783777jg001_calzaghe_manf_11_13_59_am.jpg

Somethings wrong with manfredo, he looks like hes on drugs or something... hahaha!!! This may really be a tko in the first round for joe.

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/22/fullj.getty-73783777jg005_calzaghe_manf_11_19_24_am.jpg

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

:eek: Manfredo & Leonard musta done alot of cocaine during training camp.

[CleanYourClock]

I think Manfredo will make this a decent fight .... :stir:

[Double L]

he's just weight-drained. there's nothing wrong with him. hopefully that is. i guess it's possible he over-trained. or that he hasn't adjusted well to the time change? not sure. but in the side by side, Manfredo looked considerably smaller than Joe. that's the way Joe likes it.

[Double L]

even if manfredo doesn't win, i really hope he busts his nose, or closes his eye. something. i wanna see joe work for his money.

[IgiveUpImEricMoralesISuck]

I think Manfredo will make this a decent fight .... :stir:

That ManPussy couldn't even look joe in the eyes. He's afraid of joe, because ManPussy realizes that he is about to get his ass kicked. If I was peter I hope I'd be getting a nice pay-check for the ass beating i'd recieve from joe.

[Matchup_Analyzer]

Manfredo will probably make a better go of it than expected, at least I'm hoping

[Double L]

That ManPussy couldn't even look joe in the eyes. He's afraid of joe, because ManPussy realizes that he is about to get his ass kicked. If I was peter I hope I'd be getting a nice pay-check for the ass beating i'd recieve from joe.

how do you know he wouldn't look him in the eye? is there video somewhere?

[*Z*]

That ManPussy couldn't even look joe in the eyes. He's afraid of joe, because ManPussy realizes that he is about to get his ass kicked. If I was peter I hope I'd be getting a nice pay-check for the ass beating i'd recieve from joe.

Hey, I'm not sure if you know this or not but a picture is just one point in time. Manfredo wasn't looking at Joe right when that particular picture was taken. Unless you saw the entire weigh-in you're assuming.

[broadwayjoe]

OK...I know I am at least 50% picking with my heart here, and I probably sound like Frank picking Eastman to KO Hopkins, but ...

Manfredo W12 Calzaghe

Now I know Peter will most likely have to knock Calzaghe out to get a draw, but I have a feeling this is going to be a much more competitive fight than most think. One of my best friends is a trainer and he goes way back with the Manfredos. He spoke with Peter shortly before he travelled and he said Peter was extremely confident. So I don't think we're gonna see Peter unnerved or let the moment get to him.

I get the feeling we're gonna see an upset...or see Peter possibly do enough to win but not get the decision.
And if I'm wrong...it certainly won't be the first time...:lol:

[who?]

OK...I know I am at least 50% picking with my heart here, and I probably sound like Frank picking Eastman to KO Hopkins, but ...

Manfredo W12 Calzaghe

Now I know Peter will most likely have to knock Calzaghe out to get a draw, but I have a feeling this is going to be a much more competitive fight than most think. One of my best friends is a trainer and he goes way back with the Manfredos. He spoke with Peter shortly before he travelled and he said Peter was extremely confident. So I don't think we're gonna see Peter unnerved or let the moment get to him.

I get the feeling we're gonna see an upset...or see Peter possibly do enough to win but not get the decision.
And if I'm wrong...it certainly won't be the first time...:lol:
no.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Well, I have not seen Manfredo fight, but judging from the weigh in pics, I'll take...

Calzaghe TKO 7

Corrales TKO 10

[broadwayjoe]

no.
Thank you for that well reasoned and unbiased opinion. At least I'm not picking my homer favorite to win by KO unlike someone else who posts here.

[who?]

Thank you for that well reasoned and unbiased opinion. At least I'm not picking my homer favorite to win by early KO.
no.

[broadwayjoe]

no.
Squawk!!!:lol:

And who ever said that Frank doesn't contribute anything of value to the forum??

[who?]

Squawk!!!:lol:

And who ever said that Frank doesn't contribute anything of value to the forum??
no.

[IgiveUpImEricMoralesISuck]

Are people on this topic idiots? Peter Manfredo has everything going against him. He's not as fast, mobile, strong as calzaghe or even as intelligent as him since calzaghe is not a moron. Yet, people still have been picking for an upset. :laughing:

[His_Royness]

why do fighters that i like always have to have a complete fucktard fan that makes one wanna see them get KTFO?? :dunno:

[Double L]

OK...I know I am at least 50% picking with my heart here, and I probably sound like Frank picking Eastman to KO Hopkins, but ...

Manfredo W12 Calzaghe

Now I know Peter will most likely have to knock Calzaghe out to get a draw, but I have a feeling this is going to be a much more competitive fight than most think. One of my best friends is a trainer and he goes way back with the Manfredos. He spoke with Peter shortly before he travelled and he said Peter was extremely confident. So I don't think we're gonna see Peter unnerved or let the moment get to him.

I get the feeling we're gonna see an upset...or see Peter possibly do enough to win but not get the decision.
And if I'm wrong...it certainly won't be the first time...:lol:

god i hope you're right...

[Matchup_Analyzer]

The uppercut that Manfredo landed on Pemberton would have hurt anyone in the SMW division, if Manfredo could get in close and land one of those or land one of those out of a clinch, Joe probably won't see it coming similar to the KD in the Mitchell fight, Joe should use his size and reach but he probably won't

[Double L]

The uppercut that Manfredo landed on Pemberton would have hurt anyone in the SMW division, if Manfredo could get in close and land one of those or land one of those out of a clinch, Joe probably won't see it coming similar to the KD in the Mitchell fight, Joe should use his size and reach but he probably won't

What Joe will use is his friendly referee. He will hold Manfredo whenever he gets close, and stink out a decision, not unlike the Latin Stink did. Stink him inside. Stink. Stink. Stink.

[who?]

What Joe will use is his friendly referee. He will hold Manfredo whenever he gets close, and stink out a decision, not unlike the Latin Stink did. Stink him inside. Stink. Stink. Stink.
no.

[Matchup_Analyzer]

LOL :lol:

[IgiveUpImEricMoralesISuck]

retards

[ElTerriblee]

Manfredo cannot handle a real top 20 supermiddleweight physically. If it goes five rounds I´ll be shocked.

[steve_dave]

no.


hi frank

[mexican wedding shirt]

Orthodox Crusaders prediction is...

Calzaghe W12

[Azazel]

Manfredo a good solid fighter, not as bad as some say, I've got the feeling this match will look a lot like Calzaghe fight with Bika.

[Donnybrook]

Calzaghe by TKO in 10

Corrales vs Clottey...dont care

You care about Calzaghe-MANFREDO JR. but don't about Corrales-Clottey.

Jesus....go away.

:doh: :eek:

Damn Croc Hunter. :lol:

[mexican wedding shirt]

You care about Calzaghe-MANFREDO JR. but don't about Corrales-Clottey.

Jesus....go away.

:doh: :eek:

Damn Croc Hunter. :lol:

I agree. Croc is a flid groupie, always has been. Gatti and Calzaghe, that's it.

[Octopus]

OK...I know I am at least 50% picking with my heart here, and I probably sound like Frank picking Eastman to KO Hopkins, but ...

Manfredo W12 Calzaghe

Now I know Peter will most likely have to knock Calzaghe out to get a draw, but I have a feeling this is going to be a much more competitive fight than most think. One of my best friends is a trainer and he goes way back with the Manfredos. He spoke with Peter shortly before he travelled and he said Peter was extremely confident. So I don't think we're gonna see Peter unnerved or let the moment get to him.

I get the feeling we're gonna see an upset...or see Peter possibly do enough to win but not get the decision.
And if I'm wrong...it certainly won't be the first time...:lol:


Fucking DUMBEST PREDICTION EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:clap: :lol:

You hands down get the "LOK award" for this fight!!

[IgiveUpImEricMoralesISuck]

Manfredo a good solid fighter, not as bad as some say, I've got the feeling this match will look a lot like Calzaghe fight with Bika.

probably would have been if the ref didn't suck joes dick before the fight

[lb 4 lb]

Manfredo a good solid fighter, not as bad as some say, I've got the feeling this match will look a lot like Calzaghe fight with Bika.
Actually no, he isn't. Dude was completely outclassed by Calzaghe and basically said himself he couldn't think because think because everything was happening to fast. I don't know if he earned the write to be fighting on that level but it looks to me like he needs to take his ass back to the contender.

You put both of those miss matches together and they don't equal to the one fight Showtime had.

[Azazel]

Actually no, he isn't. Dude was completely outclassed by Calzaghe and basically said himself he couldn't think because think because everything was happening to fast. I don't know if he earned the write to be fighting on that level but it looks to me like he needs to take his ass back to the contender.

You put both of those miss matches together and they don't equal to the one fight Showtime had.

I don't think highly of Bika so I don't want people to assume I thought Manfredo was world class. But, while I didn't see the fight, it seems that I made a fool of myself and that Manfredo is indeed an hyped contender fraud who's barely above regionnal level.

[broadwayjoe]

Fucking DUMBEST PREDICTION EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:clap: :lol:

You hands down get the "LOK award" for this fight!!

I've finally managed to cool off after this joke of a stoppage, so...

Hey...at least I admitted I was making a "homer" pick. :tease: And this "fight" was such a disgaceful biased event we will never know what might have happened if the fight was allowed to go on it's natural course and Manfredo was given a fair chance to compete.

Manfredo wasn't hurt, and it sure looked like the ref was waiting for the first opportunity to stop the fight in Calzaghe's favor.

What a disgrace. I actually had to take a few weeks off from boxing after this.

[Baron]

I've finally managed to cool off after this joke of a stoppage, so...

Hey...at least I admitted I was making a "homer" pick. :tease: And this "fight" was such a disgaceful biased event we will never know what might have happened if the fight was allowed to go on it's natural course and Manfredo was given a fair chance to compete.

Manfredo wasn't hurt, and it sure looked like the ref was waiting for the first opportunity to stop the fight in Calzaghe's favor.

What a disgrace. I actually had to take a few weeks off from boxing after this.:lol: And it seems you haven't removed your homer glasses yet when analyzing this fight. You don't know what might have happened? Are you trying to suggest Manfredo had a chance to beat Calzaghe after what you saw?

[mexican wedding shirt]

I've finally managed to cool off after this joke of a stoppage, so...

Hey...at least I admitted I was making a "homer" pick. :tease: And this "fight" was such a disgaceful biased event we will never know what might have happened if the fight was allowed to go on it's natural course and Manfredo was given a fair chance to compete.

Manfredo wasn't hurt, and it sure looked like the ref was waiting for the first opportunity to stop the fight in Calzaghe's favor.

What a disgrace. I actually had to take a few weeks off from boxing after this.

You must be fucking mad. It was a little early, but it was not a terrible stoppage. Halfway through the 1st round it was obvious manfredo was in over his head.

He got slapped around for 3 rounds, and it culminated in manfredo looking a bit on the defenseless side, not knowing what to do, and barely throwing back, so the ref stopped it.

SHould it have gone on longer? Sure, I would have liked to have seen manfredo take more of a beating.

Based on those 3 rounds though, you're severely, horribly deluded if you think manfredo had a realistic chance of beating calzaghe. What was he going to do? Knock him out with 1 punch?

[broadwayjoe]

It was only the 3rd round. It was far too early to know what might have happened. And even if Peter's only chance was a miracle shot, or a cut, or Calzaghe slipping on a banana peel...he should have been given a fair opportunity to continue. I certainly don't like the reasoning of "Calzaghe was gonna win anyway, so it was ok to stop the fight prematurely." I guessed Peter would never receive a fair shot in Calzaghe's backyard...but I didn't think that he would be screwed so blatantly.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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Did it look early on that Calzaghe was going to win? Sure. But there was still 9 rounds to go. And even if Calzaghe ended up winning every round...as long as Peter was not hurt he should have been allowed to continue. But I guess that wouldn't have fit in with the plan of making Calzaghe "look" like a world beater and to market him for future fights.<o:p></o:p>
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[Jake]

It was only the 3rd round. It was far too early to know what might have happened. And even if Peter's only chance was a miracle shot, or a cut, or Calzaghe slipping on a banana peel...he should have been given a fair opportunity to continue. I certainly don't like the reasoning of "Calzaghe was gonna win anyway, so it was ok to stop the fight prematurely." I guessed Peter would never receive a fair shot in Calzaghe's backyard...but I didn't think that he would be screwed so blatantly.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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Did it look early on that Calzaghe was going to win? Sure. But there was still 9 rounds to go. And even if Calzaghe ended up winning every round...as long as Peter was not hurt he should have been allowed to continue. But I guess that wouldn't have fit in with the plan of making Calzaghe "look" like a world beater and to market him for future fights.<o:p></o:p>
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Still to say that you needed to take a few weeks off from the sport... I mean damn, even Manfredo himself already returned, and is getting ready to fight again later this month.

I agree that "he didn't deserve the fight in the first place" is a copout in justifying the stoppage. But at best, all you can say is that Peter could've lasted 12 rounds.

All that said, who's still calling Joe a "world beater." Just about everyone took a shot at him AND HBO for that card, hell even HBO themselves. Well, Larry Merchant, anyway.

[broadwayjoe]

Still to say that you needed to take a few weeks off from the sport... I mean damn, even Manfredo himself already returned, and is getting ready to fight again later this month.

I agree that "he didn't deserve the fight in the first place" is a copout in justifying the stoppage. But at best, all you can say is that Peter could've lasted 12 rounds.

All that said, who's still calling Joe a "world beater." Just about everyone took a shot at him AND HBO for that card, hell even HBO themselves. Well, Larry Merchant, anyway.

To be honest, I guess I am taking it a little personally since I actually know this fighter and his family and one of my best friends is very close to them. But it sucks to see the kid bust his ass in training, go all the way over there and then get the rug pulled out from under him like that. And it sure seemed to me like the script called for Calzaghe to win by early stoppage.

I'm not saying folks outside of the production are calling Calzaghe a world beater, but rather that the whole broadcast seemed to be doing their best to set up that perception. But the stoppage was so bad that even HBO couldn't defend it.

[Jake]

Nobody is defending it, though. Lampley tried, but Merchant and Steward all but told him to STFU. :lol:

The problem, though, is that Manfredo fought down to expectations. It was a shit fight with a shitty stoppage. If it were a competitive fight and a premature stoppage, that's a different story. But it wasn't. Peter literally did nothing for however long the fight lasted.

Fighters are always so paranoid of getting jerked in someone else's hometown, but almost always seem to put themselves in position for something like that to happen anyway. It's as if they'd rather have something to bitch about than to take a proactive approach to the potential problem,

[mexican wedding shirt]

To be honest, I guess I am taking it a little personally since I actually know this fighter and his family and one of my best friends is very close to them. But it sucks to see the kid bust his ass in training, go all the way over there and then get the rug pulled out from under him like that. And it sure seemed to me like the script called for Calzaghe to win by early stoppage.

I'm not saying folks outside of the production are calling Calzaghe a world beater, but rather that the whole broadcast seemed to be doing their best to set up that perception. But the stoppage was so bad that even HBO couldn't defend it.

Well yes it was obvious it was something like that.

Jake managed to be pretty objective with fighters he knows and likes. You're not being remotely subjective.

To think manfredo MIGHT have had a chance of surviving all 12 is fair enough, to think that he should have been given more of a chance is fair enough, but to think he had a realistic chance of beating calzaghe is preposterous. He was getting a beating in there, pretty much lacy style, he was landing practically NOTHING and looked in over his head.

I didn't care about seeing the fight live, so when I heard a few people crying about the early stoppage I was expecting something much worse.

I think most refs might have let it continue a bit longer, but don't kid yourself, manfredo was getting beaten up, barely throwing anything, not landing anything, and was pretty much looking like a beaten man already by the time it was stopped.

[broadwayjoe]

Nobody is defending it, though. Lampley tried, but Merchant and Steward all but told him to STFU. :lol:

The problem, though, is that Manfredo fought down to expectations. It was a shit fight with a shitty stoppage. If it were a competitive fight and a premature stoppage, that's a different story. But it wasn't. Peter literally did nothing for however long the fight lasted.

Fighters are always so paranoid of getting jerked in someone else's hometown, but almost always seem to put themselves in position for something like that to happen anyway. It's as if they'd rather have something to bitch about than to take a proactive approach to the potential problem,

That's a interesting point. On a different note...do you think the Calzaghe fight had much of an effect on Peter's career? He was expected to lose and nearly everyone who isn't a Calzaghe fan knows it was a crap stoppage. Is he pretty much where he was before this fight? Of course, I think it would have been better for him to have gone the distance, but does the nature of the stoppage somewhat offset that?

[Jake]

I don;t think it affected him at all. I'd say he's still where he was before the fight. Like I said earlier, he's already fighting for the second time since then, it's only been a couple of months.

I do think, though, that it removed any lingering doubt as to whether or not he's a legit top contender - he's not.

[mexican wedding shirt]

broadway - from the eyes of someone who is a fan of neither, I thought it was a pathetic performance.

I was more impressed with sheika against calzaghe. I was more impressed with miranda against pavlik.

There's no 2 ways about it, it was a pathetic performance. He fought like someone who was in over his head and was expected to lose. He did fuck all. He got a big opportunity and fought like a can.

It was round about as pathetic as the shitter witter against judah.

Personally I think it was damaging if anything. That performance didn't exactly make me want to see him fight again. You'd have had to be a big fan of his already to want to watch him fight again.

Put it this way, if he'd gone in there and fought with everything he had, took the fight to calzaghe, and got knocked out cold in the 3rd round I would have been more impressed and would be interested in seeing him fight again.

The sheer lameness and non effort of his performance is why I don't even think it matters that the stoppage was arguably a little early.

[broadwayjoe]

Well yes it was obvious it was something like that.

Jake managed to be pretty objective with fighters he knows and likes. You're not being remotely subjective.

To think manfredo MIGHT have had a chance of surviving all 12 is fair enough, to think that he should have been given more of a chance is fair enough, but to think he had a realistic chance of beating calzaghe is preposterous. He was getting a beating in there, pretty much lacy style, he was landing practically NOTHING and looked in over his head.

I didn't care about seeing the fight live, so when I heard a few people crying about the early stoppage I was expecting something much worse.

I think most refs might have let it continue a bit longer, but don't kid yourself, manfredo was getting beaten up, barely throwing anything, not landing anything, and was pretty much looking like a beaten man already by the time it was stopped.

I disagree. It was a bad stoppage. Nearly all of Calzaghe's pitty pat punches either missed or hit gloves and shoulders. There's no real way to justify the stoppage. If you wanna say Peter didn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of winning, then I have less problem with that, but I entirely object to the idea that it was a fair stoppage.

I may be a homer when it comes to how I felt about the situation afterward, but I am entirely objective about what I think of the premature stoppage...and I am certainly not the only person who thinks it was premature. Actually...you're one of the few folks I've talked to who is even trying to make a case for it being fair. It would be one thing if I were calling it a bad stoppage and the concensus was that it wasn't...but that's not the case. My view on the stoppage is not biased by my feelings...it was a crappy stoppage. Manfredo was not hurt and should have been allowed to continue fighting. I am more angry about it than I would have been for a different fighter, but that doesn't mean I am only calling a bad stoppage because I am a fan. If Peter were actually hurt and was actually hit by some meaningful punches, I would have had less trouble with the stoppage...but neither of those things happened.

[broadwayjoe]

broadway - from the eyes of someone who is a fan of neither, I thought it was a pathetic performance.

I was more impressed with sheika against calzaghe. I was more impressed with miranda against pavlik.

There's no 2 ways about it, it was a pathetic performance. He fought like someone who was in over his head and was expected to lose. He did fuck all. He got a big opportunity and fought like a can.

It was round about as pathetic as the shitter witter against judah.

Personally I think it was damaging if anything. That performance didn't exactly make me want to see him fight again. You'd have had to be a big fan of his already to want to watch him fight again.

Put it this way, if he'd gone in there and fought with everything he had, took the fight to calzaghe, and got knocked out cold in the 3rd round I would have been more impressed and would be interested in seeing him fight again.

The sheer lameness and non effort of his performance is why I don't even think it matters that the stoppage was arguably a little early.

Good points, but what bothers me the most was that the fight was stopped before it even really got going. Maybe Peter was a little overwhelmed by the moment, but who's to say he wouldn't have found himself as the fight went on and given a better account of himself? I'm not saying he was gonna win, but I think he should have been given a fair chance, that's all. And to me, he wasn't.

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I already said, most refs would have let it continue, and manfredo certainly wasn't in grave danger.

Do you want to know what makes me not think it was a bad stoppage? Because of manfredo's non effort performance.

Let's say manfredo had charged out from his stool in the 3rd round Duran Style, tatooed calzaghe with combos, to head and body, jabbed him backwards, caught him with a big shot, stunned him, THEN calzaghe landed the sequence of punches that caused the stoppage I would say yes, it was early, he should have been given a chance.

It's just the fact that he did fuck all, nothing, he didn't even try and win. What was the point in letting him continue?

My girlfriend watched the odd fight with me, and even she thought he was a can. She was asking me why he wasn't doing anything, and why they were even matched together, asking why fighters aren't matched better like corrales and castillo :lol:

[mexican wedding shirt]

Good points, but what bothers me the most was that the fight was stopped before it even really got going. Maybe Peter was a little overwhelmed by the moment, but who's to say he wouldn't have found himself as the fight went on and made a better account of himself? I'm not saying he was gonna win, but I think he should have been given a fair chance, that's all. And to me, he wasn't.

Fair enough, but I guess you're REALLY giving him the benefit of the doubt to think he would have suddenly upped his game after the first three rounds.

[broadwayjoe]

I already said, most refs would have let it continue, and manfredo certainly wasn't in grave danger.

Do you want to know what makes me not think it was a bad stoppage? Because of manfredo's non effort performance.

Let's say manfredo had charged out from his stool in the 3rd round Duran Style, tatooed calzaghe with combos, to head and body, jabbed him backwards, caught him with a big shot, stunned him, THEN calzaghe landed the sequence of punches that caused the stoppage I would say yes, it was early, he should have been given a chance.

It's just the fact that he did fuck all, nothing, he didn't even try and win. What was the point in letting him continue?

My girlfriend watched the odd fight with me, and even she thought he was a can. She was asking me why he wasn't doing anything, and why they were even matched together, asking why fighters aren't matched better like corrales and castillo :lol:

I see what you're saying, but I just don't think it's right to stop tthat fight based on what happened. If the fight was in round 8 or 9 and Peter still hadn't done much of anything and it was clear there was no chance of him rallying and turning the tide somewhat, then I would have had less trouble with the stoppage.

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I don;t think it affected him at all. I'd say he's still where he was before the fight. Like I said earlier, he's already fighting for the second time since then, it's only been a couple of months.

I do think, though, that it removed any lingering doubt as to whether or not he's a legit top contender - he's not.

I can't disagree with that at all. I was thinking the same thing. And frankly...I thought the Calzaghe fight was too big of a jump in class at this point in his career. I would have liked to see a fight or two against better opposition than Spina or Pemberton before taking a title shot. But I guess sometimes, you take the shot when you can get one.

[Jake]

I can't disagree with that at all. I was thinking the same thing. And frankly...I thought the Calzaghe fight was too big of a jump in class at this point in his career. I would have liked to see a fight or two against better opposition than Spina or Pemberton before taking a title shot. But I guess sometimes, you take the shot when you can get one.
precisely. I mean, where else is he getting a million dollar (and then some) payday. Plus the timing was perfect - he took that fight while Sergio Mora turned down a trip to Memphis and a shot at the middleweight title.