Jermaine Taylor vs. Felix Trinidad @ 160

[Erratic]

The Tito of 2001-02 versus the Taylor of the last couple years.

Who wins?

[CleanYourClock]

Hmm , hard call ...

The Taylor that fought Hopkins would knock Tito out ....

However Taylor has never looked that good since ...
Tito might KO his ass ...

[Alabama_Man]

Oh man.

Trinidad in his prime (2000-2001) would knock Taylor stupider.:kick:

This thread is proof of how overrated Taylor is.

[Xplosive]

Tito by KO.

[Father of Muzse]

Taylor beats Tito.

Taylor's too strong for Tito to deal with. Tito would get in his shots, but he'd (Taylor) survive a few rough spots and win a decision.

[slystaff]

Taylor would KO Tito no doubt about it. Just look at the styles clash!! No way can Tito deal with Taylor's combination of speed, size, jab, power and movement. No way.

Taylor TKO 11

[Alabama_Man]

Taylor would KO Tito no doubt about it. Just look at the styles clash!! No way can Tito deal with Taylor's combination of speed, size, jab, power and movement. No way.

Taylor TKO 11

Because Tito has had problems with wild, swinging, throwers like Taylor? :dunno:

[Father of Muzse]

Because Tito has had problems with wild, swinging, throwers like Taylor? :dunno:

Taylor is taller, has a longer reach and is physically stronger than Tito.

Tito had success at 160 against Joppy because Joppy isn't a big or physically strong guy.

You see how little success he had against two 160 guys who matched and surpassed his size and strength.

Out of the 23 1/2 rounds, Tito didn't win 4 rounds against Hopkins and Wright.

[Alabama_Man]

Out of the 23 1/2 rounds, Tito didn't win 4 rounds against Hopkins and Wright.

And Taylor's style matches up with two defensive wizards how? :dunno:

[Ugotabe Kidding]

And Taylor's style matches up with two defensive wizards how? :dunno:

Taylor boxed fairly evenly with those two for 36 rounds so he just might be able to handle Tito too

[Father of Muzse]

And Taylor's style matches up with two defensive wizards how? :dunno:

Taylor won more rounds vs Hopkins and Wright than Tito did.

hell, Taylor won more rounds in the first Hopkins fight than Tito won against Hopkins and Wright COMBINED.

Also, the last time I checked, Tito wasn't a defensive wizard.

[Alabama_Man]

Taylor boxed fairly evenly with those two for 36 rounds so he just might be able to handle Tito too

But styles make fights and those "two" fought Taylor completely different than they fought Tito. Not to mention Hopkins was about 4 years older.

I can accept that Taylor might be able to beat a Prime Tito, but based on purely physical advantages, which might not even exist (we're talking about Prime tito here), I just don't buy it. There's nothing in Taylor's "style" that leads me to believe he could become a "defensive wizard" like Hops or Winky.

[Hex-One]

Taylor's size could be a factor, but Taylor sometimes is a bit wild and he is no Hopkins or Wright defensivley. I think Tito catches Taylor in some point and lays him out.

[Alabama_Man]

Taylor won more rounds vs Hopkins and Wright than Tito did.

hell, Taylor won more rounds in the first Hopkins fight than Tito won against Hopkins and Wright COMBINED.

Also, the last time I checked, Tito wasn't a defensive wizard.

Apples and Oranges. Styles make fights.

Also my point wasn't predicated on Tito's defensive ability (which wasn't bad to begin with) but on Taylor's willingness to engage in a shoot out. It's not Taylor's style to fight the way Golden Girl, Winky or Hops did against Tito.

[Father of Muzse]

Apples and Oranges. Styles make fights.

Also my point wasn't predicated on Tito's defensive ability (which wasn't bad to begin with) but on Taylor's willingness to engage in a shoot out. It's not Taylor's style to fight the way Golden Girl, Winky or Hops did against Tito.

Taylor has never been down...how many times has Tito been down by lesser fighters than Taylor.

I think Taylor's an overrated puncher "however" you can't guarantee that Tito can handle the incoming either.

[Alabama_Man]

Taylor has never been down...how many times has Tito been down by lesser fighters than Taylor.

I think Taylor's an overrated puncher "however" you can't guarantee that Tito can handle the incoming either.

Sure Tito's been down but he laid out every single person who put him down except Hops.

Taylor hasn't fought a puncher like Tito so him not being down isn't really saying much. He may be a solid puncher, I haven't seen it yet at the elite level. The last guy he stopped was shot former 154 champ Raul Marquez and that was a corner retirement.

[Father of Muzse]

Sure Tito's been down but he laid out every single person who put him down except Hops.

Taylor hasn't fought a puncher like Tito so him not being down isn't really saying much. He may be a solid puncher, I haven't seen it yet at the elite level. The last guy who stopped was shot former 154 champ Raul Marquez and that was a corner retirement.

Tito's power is relative to the guys he fought. Kinda like Arguello vs Pryor.

Taylor beats Trinidad at 160 hands down.

Tito didn't move his head well and was always a sucker for a right hand. Combine those two flaws, Tito never gets out of the way of the "bow and arrow."

[Alabama_Man]

Tito's power is relative to the guys he fought. Kinda like Arguello vs Pryor.

Taylor beats Trinidad at 160 hands down.

Tito didn't move his head well and was always a sucker for a right hand. Combine those two flaws, Tito never gets out of the way of the "bow and arrow."

Okay fine let's compare it "relatively" to the guys they fought.

William Joppy. Tito stopped him and had him drooling on the ropes, and Taylor had to go to the cards with the shot version of Joppy. How does this help your point exactly? :dunno:

Tito lacked movement later in his career but Tito knew how to shrink up defensively, and no one really clocked Tito and laid him flat out in one blow, he always was beaten through attrition. Taylor on the otherhand has shown even less defensive ability. He is about as open as a $2 hookers legs on Fleet Week. I still can't forget the images of 154 pound Kassim Ouma walking through Taylor's "Bow and Arrow" and punishing Taylor with combinations on the ropes.

Like I said, I have no problem with someone claiming Taylor can beat a prime Tito but your argument is just not very convincing, no offense.

[Hex-One]

Apples and Oranges. Styles make fights.

Also my point wasn't predicated on Tito's defensive ability (which wasn't bad to begin with) but on Taylor's willingness to engage in a shoot out. It's not Taylor's style to fight the way Golden Girl, Winky or Hops did against Tito.Good point.:clap:

[Xplosive]

Tito's power is relative to the guys he fought. Kinda like Arguello vs Pryor.

Taylor beats Trinidad at 160 hands down.

Tito didn't move his head well and was always a sucker for a right hand. Combine those two flaws, Tito never gets out of the way of the "bow and arrow."

Taylor is too goddamn sloppy, and too easy to hit have beaten Tito. I dont care how much bigger he is than Tito, if theres one thing that cant be denied about the Puerto Rican zombie.... he could PUNCH! At any weight. And although at 160 he wasnt as quick, or as sharp as he was at 47 and 54 he'd still find Taylor. And Jermain's tendacy to fight back after he gets hit and hurt would be his downfall against Tito. Theres a reason why Taylor's never been in with a puncher.

[Father of Muzse]

Okay fine let's compare it "relatively" to the guys they fought.

William Joppy. Tito stopped him and had him drooling on the ropes, and Taylor had to go to the cards with the shot version of Joppy. How does this help your point exactly? :dunno:

Tito lacked movement later in his career but Tito knew how to shrink up defensively, and no one really clocked Tito and laid him flat out in one blow, he always was beaten through attrition. Taylor on the otherhand has shown even less defensive ability. He is about as open as a $2 hookers legs on Fleet Week. I still can't forget the images of 154 pound Kassim Ouma walking through Taylor's "Bow and Arrow" and punishing Taylor with combinations on the ropes.

Like I said, I have no problem with someone claiming Taylor can beat a prime Tito but your argument is just not very convincing, no offense.

Did you see either fight?

After Taylor dropped Joppy early, Joppy did everything he could to stay away from Jermain.

That's like downgrading Marquez because he couldn't KO Gainer.

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

Trinidad by KO


Taylor is too open to get hit just standing stiff, and he is all over the place when he throws the right hand...and backing into the ropes everytime his opponents attack isn't a good idea against Trinidad.

Right now gotta go w/ Trinidad...but in the future who knows. Let see Taylor vs. Pavlek or Miranda....

[Alabama_Man]

Did you see either fight?

After Taylor dropped Joppy early, Joppy did everything he could to stay away from Jermain.

That's like downgrading Marquez because he couldn't KO Gainer.

Taylor hasn't stopped a fighter since 154 Marquez, and he didn't stop Joppy even the shot version, fact.

Gainer is a pure boxer, it's very hard to KO guys like that unless they stick their chin out. Plus Marquez at that time was still in his counter-puncher mode. He only recently became aggressive to get paydays (good idea).

I notice you didn't even try to talk about Ouma, a guy Karmazin dropped plenty of times, but Taylor couldn't even slow him down. But hey I guess when you're argument is getting picked apart, it's easier to avoid points that make it look even more flimsy.

Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker, do you have a valid point to bring up or is that all you have? :dunno:

[Rubio MHS]

Trinidad's 3-2 at middleweight. His only wins at that weight have come over old fighters, only one of which was in the top 10 or 15. His whole gameplan at 147 and 154 was having bigger weapons than his opponent. Taylor's a better-rounded fighter, and fucking huge. Tito goes down... and out.

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

Trinidad's 3-2 at middleweight. His only wins at that weight have come over old fighters, only one of which was in the top 10 or 15. His whole gameplan at 147 and 154 was having bigger weapons than his opponent. Taylor's a better-rounded fighter, and fucking huge. Tito goes down... and out.

Just like Ouma who was in Taylor face all fight long...

[Alabama_Man]

Just like Ouma who was in Taylor face all fight long...

:lol:

Rubio utterly destroyed again. :cool:

[Rubio MHS]

Trinidad had nowhere near as good a chin as Ouma. Also, Tito didn't have the footwork to get inside the way Ouma did. He was completely befuddled every time he faced someone who could box and hit back.

[winner by choke]

All depends on Taylor's chinny chin chin...

nice revisionist history Rubio MHS.

[Rubio MHS]

All depends on Taylor's chinny chin chin...

nice revisionist history Rubio MHS.Besides that, Taylor's much more rounded a fighter than Trinidad was. A better fighter? No. A better middleweight? Yes.

[Breeze]

Taylor has a jab, therefore the fight is over.

[slystaff]

:lol:

Rubio utterly destroyed again. :cool:

Go easy on Rubio, he's still recovering from brain damage. His wife told me last night that they only recently removed the tubes from his ass..

[Rubio MHS]

In the hospital, I had tubes coming out of my chest in two places, plus my nose and my cock, but never my ass. You seem more inclined that way.

[puerto rock]

I don't care if Taylor got two gift decisions over Hopkins, I simply cannot see him beating Trinidad. The only thing that would help him survive for as long as he would is his size, but on size alone I don't think he could beat Trinidad. Somebody mentioned Taylor's jab, but I don't see it as a factor here simply because he throws it lazily and with horrible technique, as opposed to snapping it out there quickness and sharpness, and then bringing it back to protect from the counter.


Taylor's power I don't see as a factor here mostly because his shots are wide and inaccurate, and also because he just doesn't let his hands go enough. Sorry, but your not gonna beat Tito by just waiting and waiting, and backing up into the ropes IN A STRAIGHT LINE with your hands carried low. Sorry but that spells disaster with a capital D against not just Trinidad, but any fighter with the short, accurate punching ability of Tito. Trinidad's punching power alone would make Taylor reluctant to fight and thus JT would be the one to lose the decision, getting seriously rocked and buzzed along the way, moreso than Trinidad.

[slystaff]

I don't care if Taylor got two gift decisions over Hopkins, I simply cannot see him beating Trinidad. The only thing that would help him survive for as long as he would is his size, but on size alone I don't think he could beat Trinidad. Somebody mentioned Taylor's jab, but I don't see it as a factor here simply because he throws it lazily and with horrible technique, as opposed to snapping it out there quickness and sharpness, and then bringing it back to protect from the counter.


Taylor's power I don't see as a factor here mostly because his shots are wide and inaccurate, and also because he just doesn't let his hands go enough. Sorry, but your not gonna beat Tito by just waiting and waiting, and backing up into the ropes IN A STRAIGHT LINE with your hands carried low. Sorry but that spells disaster with a capital D against not just Trinidad, but any fighter with the short, accurate punching ability of Tito. Trinidad's punching power alone would make Taylor reluctant to fight and thus JT would be the one to lose the decision, getting seriously rocked and buzzed along the way, moreso than Trinidad.

I'm more of a Trinidad fan than I am a Taylor fan...and Tayor would beat Tito every day of the week.

[Xplosive]

I'm more of a Trinidad fan than I am a Taylor fan...and Tayor would beat Tito every day of the week.

I'm not a fan of either, but Tito would have iced Taylor. The Tito that beat Joppy I mean. Taylor beats the come-back Tito that fought Bumorga, and Winky.

[slystaff]

I'm not a fan of either, but Tito would have iced Taylor. The Tito that beat Joppy I mean. Taylor beats the come-back Tito that fought Bumorga, and Winky.

Taylor wouldn't fight Tito the way he fought Kassim Ouma....just bare this in mind for starters.

Taylor had zero respect for Ouma's punching power (for good reason) and so fought a very sloppy and overconfident fight.

Against Tito he'd keep moving, pumping the jab and throwing hellacious combos off the ropes whenever cornered.

Tito would be beaten badly, believe me, and would go out sooner than he did against Hopkins.

[CleanYourClock]

I'm not a fan of either, but Tito would have iced Taylor. The Tito that beat Joppy I mean. Taylor beats the come-back Tito that fought Bumorga, and Winky.

Tito was no worse when he came back. He was the same Tito as always.
He was the same Tito that fought Joppy. Only difference is his opponents were different ...
He was sloppy as hell Vs Joppy .. Joppy was even winning until he got caught - and Joppy sucks ..

[Free Ike]

JT WOULD SODOMIZE CHEATO. When will you people learn that just because Tito was a disgusting cheat and exciting to watch he wasn't good, especially at Middleweight.

[The Guru]

Taylor wouldn't fight Tito the way he fought Kassim Ouma....just bare this in mind for starters.

Taylor had zero respect for Ouma's punching power (for good reason) and so fought a very sloppy and overconfident fight.

Against Tito he'd keep moving, pumping the jab and throwing hellacious combos off the ropes whenever cornered.

Tito would be beaten badly, believe me, and would go out sooner than he did against Hopkins.

I tend to agree with most of that.

I think Taylor would jab and move just enough to keep Tito from zeroing in on him.

Tito would have his moments (possibly staggering JT) as Taylor isn't a great mover, but I could also see Tito catching a right hand at some point (Taylor fighting off the ropes or an exchange in the middle of the ring) and possibly going down.

In the end I think Taylor would win via late stoppage or decision.

[Rubio MHS]

I'm not a fan of either, but Tito would have iced Taylor. The Tito that beat Joppy I mean. Taylor beats the come-back Tito that fought Bumorga, and Winky.That's just stupid. Joppy stood and traded with Trinidad. Taylor wouldn't.

[puerto rock]

Taylor wouldn't fight Tito the way he fought Kassim Ouma....just bare this in mind for starters.

Taylor had zero respect for Ouma's punching power (for good reason) and so fought a very sloppy and overconfident fight.

Against Tito he'd keep moving, pumping the jab and throwing hellacious combos off the ropes whenever cornered.

Tito would be beaten badly, believe me, and would go out sooner than he did against Hopkins.

If he had zero respect for Ouma's power, I really tend to think that he would have let his hands go more, sloppy or not(Everything about Taylor is sloppy). Instead, he continued backing into the ropes with his hands low and his chin in the air, and simply clinch. To me, those tactics do not reflect those of a fighter having zero respect for his opponent's punching power.

The movement you describe I have never seen Taylor ever put on display before. Mostly because Taylor doesn't really have good footwork and his balance is poor.

Hard for me to see, to be honest. I can see Taylor lasting the distance but not getting much else done. He leaves too many openings to beat a fighter like Trinidad and he doesn't have the offense to keep Trinidad at bay either.

[Alabama_Man]

This thread is still here?

You Taylor Fags are ridiculous. :notallthere:

[Rubio MHS]

You Tommy Watson fans are ridiculous.

[Alabama_Man]

Watson would outpoint Taylor over 12.

[Rubio MHS]

ghey

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

okay let me see...Taylor couldn't KO OUMA...hitting him with everything...yet Ouma was able to push Taylor back all fight long....



then


CORY SPINKS...had TAYLOR thinking should i throw..he might hit me back....i'm scared....

[Free Ike]

He'd still kayo Trindad.If Tito weren't such a cunt, he'd step up and try to redeem is horrendous loss to Winky by at least fighting Taylor. Tito couldn't beat Winky with a rifle.

[TKO]

Prime Tito kicks his ass period, WTF has Taylor done..

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Prime Tito kicks his ass period, WTF has Taylor done..

Fought evenly with Hopkins and Wright, both of who narrowly escaped with victories against Tito

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

Fought evenly with Hopkins and Wright, both of who narrowly escaped with victories against Tito

Yeah Fernando Vargas fought even with WInky.....and Trinidad destroyed him...

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Yeah Fernando Vargas fought even with WInky.....and Trinidad destroyed him...

So that proves that Tito also beats Taylor. Got you

[puerto rock]

Styles make fights. Trinidad at his best gives Taylor a cruel beating.

[Hex-One]

Styles make fights. Trinidad at his best gives Taylor a cruel beating.Agreed! End of thread...

[lb 4 lb]

OMG! I can't believe the incompetence here. You people actually think Taylor would have a chance against Tito? If Tito came out of retirement tommorrow I'd pick him to beat JT. I mean the guy is an alltime great. What has Taylor done besides narrowly edge Hopkins twice? Beat up a bunch of jr middles that's what but hey, I guess that's the resume of a guy that could beat Tito because after all Taylor's bigger than him.
:rolleyes:

[lb 4 lb]

Oh, I'm not done, we have to break this down. Now the only people who beat Tito either had great footwork or great defense, Hopkins had both not to mention an outstanding chin. Taylor doesn't posses any one of these attributes. He hasn't even displayed above average power and his chin is still a question mark. Tito would have caught him with a hook, hurt him and finished him sometime during the fight.

I wish Tito would come out of retirement, because I'm so sure he could beat Taylor even today that I would sig beat on it. Taylor just doesn't have the style to beat Tito. Eventually he's going to get hit, and that means eventually he's going to lose.

[Alabama_Man]

I think Trinidad, if he's not completely shot which he might be, could beat Taylor, Miranda, and Pavlik all very very easily. The middleweight division is complete shit right now.

[lb 4 lb]

I think Trinidad, if he's not completely shot which he might be, could beat Taylor, Miranda, and Pavlik all very very easily. The middleweight division is complete shit right now.
Agree totally. None of them have the style to deal with his power which is quite simply off the charts. His technical skill is also underrated.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Agree totally. None of them have the style to deal with his power which is quite simply off the charts. His technical skill is also underrated.

No. But perhaps Tito would land eight punches per round against Taylor doubling his punches landed against Wright.

[Free Ike]

Agree totally. None of them have the style to deal with his power which is quite simply off the charts. His technical skill is also underrated.
Nonsense. He might beat Miranda. Tito is so overrated. He is nowhere near a great fighter in skills or accomplishments. Taylor and Pavlik knock him out. He might go te distance with Taylor and lose 11-1 or 10-2; Pavlik stops him 10 out of 10. Easily.

[Alabama_Man]

Nonsense. He might beat Miranda. Tito is so overrated. He is nowhere near a great fighter in skills or accomplishments. Taylor and Pavlik knock him out. He might go te distance with Taylor and lose 11-1 or 10-2; Pavlik stops him 10 out of 10. Easily.

Are you serious Ike? Miranda, Pavlik, and Taylor are all bums. I would pound all of those guys to death.

[Free Ike]

Are you serious Ike? Miranda, Pavlik, and Taylor are all bums. I would pound all of those guys to death.
Yes, Tito was not a middleweight. He would beat Mierda, but not JT and not Pavlik no way. Tito would get manhandled. Tito was better at 154 then JT could ever be at 160. I think with Tito, people think he is better than he was because he was so great to watch. He was a B level guy who got matched well.

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

So that proves that Tito also beats Taylor. Got you

no....but STYLES makes fights...thats what i was trying to imply...

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

Nonsense. He might beat Miranda. Tito is so overrated. He is nowhere near a great fighter in skills or accomplishments. Taylor and Pavlik knock him out. He might go te distance with Taylor and lose 11-1 or 10-2; Pavlik stops him 10 out of 10. Easily.

All these over one fight...one fight against Miranda..like you said Shitty chin...so Pavlik with a shitty chin beat TRinidad easy..10 out of 10....right...right...

Let wait and see him vs. Taylor at least......


Pavlik doesn't jab, leads with teh right hand, got hit by Miranda slow loopy rights...and was stun a few times..but he still beat Trinidad....10 out of 10 times.....lets WAIT...to see him with other fighters....

[Free Ike]

All these over one fight...one fight against Miranda..like you said Shitty chin...so Pavlik with a shitty chin beat TRinidad easy..10 out of 10....right...right...

Let wait and see him vs. Taylor at least......


Pavlik doesn't jab, leads with teh right hand, got hit by Miranda slow loopy rights...and was stun a few times..but he still beat Trinidad....10 out of 10 times.....lets WAIT...to see him with other fighters....
Trinidad is not some great fighter or power puncher at 160. Tito had no chin either. Honestly, you guys must have seen a different Tito Trinidad. Tito was 3-2 at Middleweight, beating a murderers row of Joppy, Cherifi and Mayorga(a Welterweight) and he got humiliated and shutout by Hopkins and Winky. I might even pick Miranda over him come to think of it. Any top 5-7 Middleweight would brutalize Tito at 160. He just wasn't that good.

[Rubio MHS]

Any top 5-7 Middleweight would brutalize Tito at 160. He just wasn't that good.William Joppy didn't.

[Free Ike]

William Joppy didn't.
Joppy was terrible. One of the worst titlist ever. I mean, whose his biggest win? Roberto Duran pushing 50:lol: :lol: I think Joppy is about the only titlist he could beat. He wouldn't beat Sturm, Pavlik, Taylor or many others. He might beat Abraham but maybe not.

[Rubio MHS]

Joppy was terrible. One of the worst titlist ever. I mean, whose his biggest win? Roberto Duran pushing 50:lol: :lol: Bullshit. You know nothing.

[Neil]

I agree with jin muzsely, taylor beats trinidad.

[Xplosive]

I agree with jin muzsely, taylor beats trinidad.

At a game of chess maybe. Just cause Taylor "beat" Hopkins, who beat Tito, doesnt mean Taylor beats Tito. Felix pre-Hopkins would have fucked up the Taylor of today.

[TKO]

At a game of chess maybe. Just cause Taylor "beat" Hopkins, who beat Tito, doesnt mean Taylor beats Tito. Felix pre-Hopkins would have fucked up the Taylor of today.

Spot on, all this he beat him she beat you BS...

Tito was 10 times the fighter JT is.

[lb 4 lb]

No. But perhaps Tito would land eight punches per round against Taylor doubling his punches landed against Wright.
Exactly. Now ask yourself this: Why did Tito land almost zero punches against Wright yet Taylor landed dozens per rd? Is it because JT is such a great offensive fighter? No, it's because Wright knew that one punch from Tito could end the fight, so he didn't allow Tito to land shit. Against Taylor Winky threw caution to the wind and brawled with the guy. Winky had the style to beat Tito, Taylor has never shown such a style.

[Hex-One]

Exactly. Now ask yourself this: Why did Tito land almost zero punches against Wright yet Taylor landed dozens per rd? Is it because JT is such a great offensive fighter? No, it's because Wright knew that one punch from Tito could end the fight, so he didn't allow Tito to land shit. Against Taylor Winky threw caution to the wind and brawled with the guy. Winky had the style to beat Tito, Taylor has never shown such a style.:bears:

[Alabama_Man]

Jer-bum Taylor is so horrible I honestly think Mickey Ward would decision him 7 rounds to 5.:kick:

[puerto rock]

Joppy was terrible. One of the worst titlist ever. I mean, whose his biggest win? Roberto Duran pushing 50:lol: :lol: I think Joppy is about the only titlist he could beat. He wouldn't beat Sturm, Pavlik, Taylor or many others. He might beat Abraham but maybe not.

Trinidad would have ruined Pavlik and Taylor. Pavlik would have been stopped for sure, and Taylor would maybe last the distance but not without taking a beating along the way.

[Neil]

At a game of chess maybe. Just cause Taylor "beat" Hopkins, who beat Tito, doesnt mean Taylor beats Tito. Felix pre-Hopkins would have fucked up the Taylor of today.

that logic is not the reason I'd pick taylor. trinidad doesn't present the problems the three guys who troubled taylor (spinks,wink,hopkins) in his career did defensively. taylor is bigger and stronger than trinidad and also could outjab him.

[lb 4 lb]

that logic is not the reason I'd pick taylor. trinidad doesn't present the problems the three guys who troubled taylor (spinks,wink,hopkins) in his career did defensively. taylor is bigger and stronger than trinidad and also could outjab him.
Contrary to popular belief a great jab is not the deciding factor in beating Trinidad. Not getting hit by him is. Both Oscar and Hopkins used great footwork and movement to keep away from him, and Wright employed an impenatrable arm defense never allowing one good punch to get through. Sure their jabs scored the points, but if not for being elusive or defensive enough to avoid Tito's shots they wouldn't have been standing up to throw their shots.

So can you people honestly say you think JT could just jab away at Tito for 12rds without ever fielding one good shot from Tito? Ridiculous, JT has been hit with good shots by everyone he's ever faced and Tito would be no exception. The Floyd-DLH fight already showed that size isn't much of a factor. Didn't the light punching Wright swell up JT's face? Imagine what Tito would have done. JT would have gotten fucked up and sorry PuertoRock, but the only way I see JT finishing on his feet would be similar to Reid where he takes a career ending beating over 12 rds.

Are you people even factoring in that Tito is not only a future hall of famer, but also one of the most consistently powerful punchers ever. But I guess a mediocre middleweight with a jab and being a little bigger than him would win. To be honest it isn't even JT's mediocrity that is the problem, it's just that he doesn't have the style to win. Period.

[Hex-One]

Contrary to popular belief a great jab is not the deciding factor in beating Trinidad. Not getting hit by him is. Both Oscar and Hopkins used great footwork and movement to keep away from him, and Wright employed an impenatrable arm defense never allowing one good punch to get through. Sure their jabs scored the points, but if not for being elusive or defensive enough to avoid Tito's shots they wouldn't have been standing up to throw their shots.

So can you people honestly say you think JT could just jab away at Tito for 12rds without ever fielding one good shot from Tito? Ridiculous, JT has been hit with good shots by everyone he's ever faced and Tito would be no exception. The Floyd-DLH fight already showed that size isn't much of a factor. Didn't the light punching Wright swell up JT's face? Imagine what Tito would have done. JT would have gotten fucked up and sorry PuertoRock, but the only way I see JT finishing on his feet would be similar to Reid where he takes a career ending beating over 12 rds.

Are you people even factoring in that Tito is not only a future hall of famer, but also one of the most consistently powerful punchers ever. But I guess a mediocre middleweight with a jab and being a little bigger than him would win. To be honest it isn't even JT's mediocrity that is the problem, it's just that he doesn't have the style to win. Period.Great Post!:bears:

[Maverick]

Some of you guys make it seem like Taylor needs great footwrok to win this fight. Taylor presents a major problem in size and strength. Plus you add in his long jab and good right hand, I don't see Tito having to much success. It's not like Tito was a great middleweight, with great power. Taylor's chin is pretty solid from what I've seen so far. I'm not saying this would be a schooling far from it, but Jermain presents to much problems for Tito from a physically standpoint. I think a 7-5 decision for taylor isn't out of the question.

[lb 4 lb]

Some of you guys make it seem like Taylor needs great footwrok to win this fight. Taylor presents a major problem in size and strength. Plus you add in his long jab and good right hand, I don't see Tito having to much success. It's not like Tito was a great middleweight, with great power. Taylor's chin is pretty solid from what I've seen so far. I'm not saying this would be a schooling far from it, but Jermain presents to much problems for Tito from a physically standpoint. I think a 7-5 decision for taylor isn't out of the question.
Can you give me an example of a historic fight where a slight size advantage swung the fight in the favor of the lesser fighter, because I'm really trying to see this the same way as you and the other 3 or 4 posters who keep using this as their reasoning.

[Maverick]

Can you give me an example of a historic fight where a slight size advantage swung the fight in the favor of the lesser fighter, because I'm really trying to see this the same way as you and the other 3 or 4 posters who keep using this as their reasoning.


At 160 Taylor is not the lesser fighter. He's alot more proven then Tito is.

[Rubio MHS]

Can you give me an example of a historic fight where a slight size advantage swung the fight in the favor of the lesser fighter, because I'm really trying to see this the same way as you and the other 3 or 4 posters who keep using this as their reasoning.

Ezzard Charles vs. Charley Burley I and II
Gerald McClellan vs. Julian Jackson I and II
Jeff Clark vs. Sam Langford
Billy Miske vs. Tommy Gibbons
Kid Norfolk vs. Harry Greb
Max Baer vs. Max Schmeling
Seal Harris vs. Larry Gaines
Mike McTigue vs. Tiger Flowers
Jack Delaney vs. Mike McTigue
Mike Tyson vs. Buster Douglas
Hasim Rahman vs. James Toney (draw, my ass)
Jerry Quarry vs. Ken NortonThere are more, of course.

[jaws1216]

Ezzard Charles vs. Charley Burley I and II
Gerald McClellan vs. Julian Jackson I and II
Jeff Clark vs. Sam Langford
Billy Miske vs. Tommy Gibbons
Kid Norfolk vs. Harry Greb
Max Baer vs. Max Schmeling
Seal Harris vs. Larry Gaines
Mike McTigue vs. Tiger Flowers
Jack Delaney vs. Mike McTigue
Mike Tyson vs. Buster Douglas
Hasim Rahman vs. James Toney (draw, my ass)
Jerry Quarry vs. Ken NortonThere are more, of course.

that is some biased shit there

[Rubio MHS]

Don't even think of talking about boxing before 1997, boy.

[jaws1216]

Don't even think of talking about boxing before 1997, boy.

judging by ur make a wish photo, u might be 10 years older than me at most...which would put u unable to comment on things prior to 1987

[Rubio MHS]

No, you shouldn't talk about anything before 1997 because you know nothing about the era. You're a joke.

[jaws1216]

No, you shouldn't talk about anything before 1997 because you know nothing about the era. You're a joke.

it is kinda hard for me to talk about Jimmy "seven teeth" Wicksburg who fought a man with three arms. Frankly there's no footage of Jimmy so I've never seen him. Its ok though, he'd bash RJJ, and I rank him 3rd all time at 118.

[Matchup_Analyzer]

Dayum, some toothless aggression going on in here :lol:

You 2 crack me up :laughing:

[Alabama_Man]

it is kinda hard for me to talk about Jimmy "seven teeth" Wicksburg who fought a man with three arms. Frankly there's no footage of Jimmy so I've never seen him. Its ok though, he'd bash RJJ, and I rank him 3rd all time at 118.

:lol:

Damn Jaws.

[jaws1216]

:lol:

Damn Jaws.

:lol: :lol:

:popcorn:

[Rubio MHS]

But tell me, how is it biased? Lb for lb asked for a few historical examples of how a slight weight difference has let a lesser fighter win. I gave a dozen examples, and you started whining like the little bitch you are. You've posted nothing relevant since then.

[jaws1216]

Hasim Rahman did not beat James Toney
McClellan is not "just bigger" than Jackson
Douglas did not win because he was bigger
Norton is not "just bigger" than Quarry

MANY of the other fights there isn't even film of...

[winner by choke]

kid norfolk hahahahhahahahahhahahahhaha cmon dude noone has ever seen him fight.

lemme guess u have the original kaliedoscope footage right??

[Alabama_Man]

kid norfolk hahahahhahahahahhahahahhaha cmon dude noone has ever seen him fight.

lemme guess u have the original kaliedoscope footage right??

:lol:

Zac is getting destroyed and he's not even trolling.

[Tam Tam]

Hasim Rahman did not beat James Toney
McClellan is not "just bigger" than Jackson
Douglas did not win because he was bigger
Norton is not "just bigger" than Quarry

MANY of the other fights there isn't even film of...
Rahman did not beat James Toney? :notallthere:

McClellan WAS basically "just bigger" than Jackson. If they're the same size, Jackson wins that fight via KO.

[Rubio MHS]

Without size, McClellan was nothing.

[winner by choke]

you certainly are not serious.

[Tam Tam]

you certainly are not serious.
I'm sure he is, and even though he's wrong...his exaggerated point still stands. McClellan was a weight cutter, in the same mold as say...Diego Corrales. Guys who's freakish size allowed them to blow away smaller, less talented, or older competition.

You make McClellan a natural 160 pounder and I honestly believe he's a borderline top 10 contender. He was slow and resonably robotic/unskilled. Even with his ammy background and trainer.

[jaws1216]

I'm sure he is, and even though he's wrong...his exaggerated point still stands. McClellan was a weight cutter, in the same mold as say...Diego Corrales. Guys who's freakish size allowed them to blow away smaller, less talented, or older competition.

You make McClellan a natural 160 pounder and I honestly believe he's a borderline top 10 contender. He was slow and resonably robotic/unskilled. Even with his ammy background and trainer.

Tam: :eek: + :shit: ,:eek: + :shit: ,:eek: + :shit: ,:eek: + :shit: ,

my laptop reaks now, thanks alot

[Rubio MHS]

McClellan is not "just bigger" than JacksonThen tell us all. In what ways was McClellan better than Jackson in the ring? Did he hit harder? Debatable. Many/most would give it to Jackson. Was he faster? Not in the least. Was he a better boxer? No. Was he in better condition? No. Chin? Maybe.

[Tam Tam]

Tam: :eek: + :shit: ,:eek: + :shit: ,:eek: + :shit: ,:eek: + :shit: ,

my laptop reaks now, thanks alot
Sorry, bro. But I didn't think much of McClellan. Never have. Just a huge puncher, with an incredible size advantage. Not to be nasty or anything, but were you around when McClellan had his short run as a champ@ 160? Don't you remember the stories of how he made weight and how much he'd drop in the last 24 hours?

The kinds of things he did, are not able to be done by 99% of fighters and its one of those big reasons why I believe same day weigh-ins should be back.

[Free Ike]

Sorry, bro. But I didn't think much of McClellan. Never have. Just a huge puncher, with an incredible size advantage. Not to be nasty or anything, but were you around when McClellan had his short run as a champ@ 160? Don't you remember the stories of how he made weight and how much he'd drop in the last 24 hours?

The kinds of things he did, are not able to be done by 99% of fighters and its one of those big reasons why I believe same day weigh-ins should be back.
I agree with you totally. Mccellan also has 2 previous losses before Benn which people either ignore or don't know about. Benn just didn't decide to have a chin one night. The fact is Mccellan didn't have enough power to stop him because he was fighting someone who was, at that time, a legit Supermiddleweight. The GMAN was humiliated by Dan Ward(although I didn't see it) and Dennis "The Magician" Milton who I actually saw fight. Milton lasted less than three minutes against Julian Jackson and was kayoed by a blow to the top of the head. He beat Mccellen.

[Rubio MHS]

I agree with you totally. Mccellan also has 2 previous losses before Benn which people either ignore or don't know about. Benn just didn't decide to have a chin one night. The fact is Mccellan didn't have enough power to stop him because he was fighting someone who was, at that time, a legit Supermiddleweight. The GMAN was humiliated by Dan Ward(although I didn't see it) and Dennis "The Magician" Milton who I actually saw fight. Milton lasted less than three minutes against Julian Jackson and was kayoed by a blow to the top of the head. He beat Mccellen.This all came from Boxrec. You saw neither of those fights.

[Free Ike]

This all came from Boxrec. You saw neither of those fights.
I never saw either which is what I said. I never saw Ralph Ward fight but I did see Dennis Milton and he fought JJ and lasted a round. I might even have the broadcast in my collection. I never saw Ward at all. His record is not good. I did see Milton he fought like Corey Stinks until he got clipped. I have almost all of the GMANS televised fights including a few rounds of the Sanderline Williams fight. I don't know if the two losses were ever shown.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Trinidad vs anyone half-decent at 160lb.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[lb 4 lb]

Then tell us all. In what ways was McClellan better than Jackson in the ring? Did he hit harder? Debatable. Many/most would give it to Jackson. Was he faster? Not in the least. Was he a better boxer? No. Was he in better condition? No. Chin? Maybe.
It really doesn't matter anyway, for every fight you can name where a slight size advantage swung the fight in the favor of the lesser fighter I can show 2 where it didn't. You have to take the styles into account and I just don't see JT being able to deal with Tito's power. He's going to need some kind of way to stop Tito from hitting him to prevent from being KO'd. Can he get on his bicycle and be elusive? I doubt it. Does he have great defense he can pull out of his ass? No. So I'm sure he'll be doing great early landing his jab at will until Tito uncorks a hook that totally turns the fight around.

[Alabama_Man]

The fact that this thread exist is testament to how overrated Jer-bum Taylor is. The guy gets 3-4 arguable gifts over decent fighters and all of a sudden he's Hall of Fame caliber. :rolleyes:

[Dog Jones]

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