View Full Version : Cro Cop Knocked the fuck out..
Kaliber44
04-22-2007, 12:00 AM
nice ko
ArturoGatti
04-22-2007, 12:12 AM
that was brutal , Gonzaga pretty much dominated the fight and cut him up before he knocked him out.
steve_dave
04-22-2007, 12:41 AM
I had to leave my place for the AA fight, so I have no idea how it was in terms of action... but beyond that, exciting show. I really enjoyed it. :clap:
suiteness
04-22-2007, 12:42 AM
UFC > Pride? :laughing: :lol:
suiteness
04-22-2007, 12:44 AM
I had to leave my place for the AA fight, so I have no idea how it was in terms of action... but beyond that, exciting show. I really enjoyed it. :clap:
Decent first round, but the last two were garbage. Werdum ran away, ocasionally running forward with bitch slaps, and Arlovski followed him around throwing an ocassional leg kick or jab. He refused to let his right hand go in fear of getting taken down.
Trplsec
04-22-2007, 12:44 AM
I thought he was dead.... That was devastating...
steve_dave
04-22-2007, 12:46 AM
I thought he was dead.... That was devastating...
Amazing, amazing, amazing KO for the Brazilian.
ArturoGatti
04-22-2007, 12:47 AM
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ArturoGatti
04-22-2007, 12:49 AM
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Trplsec
04-22-2007, 12:56 AM
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Man, he should be glad he was asleep and didn't have to feel that ankle pain!
Joe King
04-22-2007, 01:30 AM
Wow! The upset happens again!
MAXWELL
04-22-2007, 01:47 AM
Crocops ankle was turned in the wrong place after he got koed.
Man werdum lost then crocop, bad day for the pride fighters hehe
Haymaker
04-22-2007, 01:51 AM
damn! it was so fast it looked like he took a dive :lol:
MAXWELL
04-22-2007, 02:02 AM
It was so fast that it looks like it was thrown by mirko himself hehe.
sexperienced
04-22-2007, 03:32 AM
i've always said said crocop's extremely overated as a striker but this is still shocking.
i wonder how liddell v cro would go down.
Matchup_Analyzer
04-22-2007, 03:41 AM
highlight reel stuff indeed
like a ragged doll, I'm looking forward to Couture-Gonzaga
ElTerriblee
04-22-2007, 06:44 AM
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Hanzy
04-22-2007, 09:38 AM
UFC > Pride? :laughing: :lol:
Actually, Fabrico Werdum TKO3 Gonzaga when they fought, therefore not all hope is lost on Pride's fighters.:lol:
Hanzy
04-22-2007, 09:43 AM
Posturing and waiting and waiting and waiting can't always seal a victory. CroCop had to be more aggressive rather than waiting for an opportunity to land a big kick. When he did land one to the body, Gonzaga took him down and beat him up a bit. When the fight got stood back up, again CroCop waited and waited and waited. I think he's forgetting for some reason that he has hands too and a right leg. Not just 1 left leg.
I wonder what Dana's reaction to this was. He must be pissed, seeing how all the guys he's hyping to the moon are getting KTFO left, right and center. This is like boxing's heavyweight division where nobody is standing out, and losses are occuring unexpectedly to the top fighters.
It's great value for money though.
ArturoGatti
04-22-2007, 10:24 AM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/mynameisnick4/mirkoko.gifmy gif was better. :cheer:
His_Royness
04-22-2007, 10:53 AM
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JESUS FUKIN CHRIST... again i can't believe how he walked to the post fight interview after that, that looks like he tore everything important in that foot. I still have Herb facial expression in my eyes he hit his hand against his forehead after seeing that feet and then he just pushed it back in place... :notallthere:
I actually ask myself how can u not injure ur ankle if it looks like that... :eek:
Hanzy
04-22-2007, 10:59 AM
JESUS FUKIN CHRIST... again i can't believe how he walked to the post fight interview after that, that looks like he tore everything important in that foot. I still have Herb facial expression in my eyes he hit his hand against his forehead after seeing that feet and then he just pushed it back in place... :notallthere:
I actually ask myself how can u not injure ur ankle if it looks like that... :eek:
From what I've gathered, CroCop was literally unconscious before he hit the ground. His body had gone limp, which is why there apparently was no serious injury. The body is like rubber in that state.
He might still have torn something, we don't know the status of his condition the morning after.
Rubio MHS
04-22-2007, 12:36 PM
i've always said said crocop's extremely overated as a striker but this is still shocking.
i wonder how liddell v cro would go down.It's soooooo easy to look like the king of hindsight.
Haymaker
04-22-2007, 12:38 PM
From what I've gathered, CroCop was literally unconscious before he hit the ground. His body had gone limp, which is why there apparently was no serious injury. The body is like rubber in that state.
He might still have torn something, we don't know the status of his condition the morning after.
he might wake up with a lil' headache :lol: asking to his coach what happened the night before
Joe King
04-22-2007, 01:39 PM
congrats to Gonzaga. he seems like a classy guy!
Bob N Weave
04-22-2007, 01:48 PM
Posturing and waiting and waiting and waiting can't always seal a victory. CroCop had to be more aggressive rather than waiting for an opportunity to land a big kick. When he did land one to the body, Gonzaga took him down and beat him up a bit. When the fight got stood back up, again CroCop waited and waited and waited. I think he's forgetting for some reason that he has hands too and a right leg. Not just 1 left leg.
I wonder what Dana's reaction to this was. He must be pissed, seeing how all the guys he's hyping to the moon are getting KTFO left, right and center. This is like boxing's heavyweight division where nobody is standing out, and losses are occuring unexpectedly to the top fighters.
It's great value for money though.
Please save us Fedor!!!
D MAN
04-22-2007, 02:13 PM
I was honestly scared that Crocop had actually died right before my eyes
Dollar-Fifty78
04-22-2007, 02:44 PM
I was honestly scared that Crocop had actually died right before my eyesMe too I kind of got sick to my stomach until I saw Cro trying to stand up. That was one of the sickest KO's ever! It's ironic that Cro-cop has one of the most brutal KO highlight reels in history with left leg head kicks and then gets knocked out in brutal fashion with a right leg head kick.:doh:
sexperienced
04-22-2007, 03:08 PM
It's soooooo easy to look like the king of hindsight.
i still think crocop beats Gonzaga 9 out of 10 times. he'll take the ematch by ko.
Joe King
04-22-2007, 05:06 PM
i still think crocop beats Gonzaga 9 out of 10 times. he'll take the ematch by ko.
Wow. 9 out of 10? I saw Cro Cop get dominated and KO'd standing in the center of the ring. You must have been watching Cro Cop's highlight reels.
sexperienced
04-22-2007, 09:20 PM
Wow. 9 out of 10? I saw Cro Cop get dominated and KO'd standing in the center of the ring. You must have been watching Cro Cop's highlight reels.
please. gonzaga wouldnt beat half the fighters mirko has. ko'ing mirko does not make him an elite striker.
Rubio MHS
04-22-2007, 09:33 PM
i still think crocop beats Gonzaga 9 out of 10 times. he'll take the ematch by ko.The gameplan to beat CroCop is out there for everyone to see. Keep him on the back foot and stay outside of his kicking range. Don't let him plant his feet.
Joe King
04-22-2007, 10:55 PM
please. gonzaga wouldnt beat half the fighters mirko has. ko'ing mirko does not make him an elite striker.
Styles makes fights. A fighter can have another fighter's number. Ask my favorite fighter Roy Jones.
Hanzy
04-22-2007, 11:59 PM
Me too I kind of got sick to my stomach until I saw Cro trying to stand up. That was one of the sickest KO's ever! It's ironic that Cro-cop has one of the most brutal KO highlight reels in history with left leg head kicks and then gets knocked out in brutal fashion with a right leg head kick.:doh:
Gonzaga may have a high kick even more deadly than CroCop's. He is a huge guy afterall at 245lbs and 6'3. Young and athletic for his size, very stocky powerfully built. Couture will fight smart and try to outpoint Gonzaga.
Hanzy
04-23-2007, 12:01 AM
The gameplan to beat CroCop is out there for everyone to see. Keep him on the back foot and stay outside of his kicking range. Don't let him plant his feet.
Circle away from his left leg, let him strike and go for the takedown and work him on the ground. You know, there was no reason for Herb Dean to stand the fight back up. Gonzaga was cutting and hurting CroCop on the ground with elbows, and CroCop was obviously not gonna get him off. Seems like the couple of years of training Jiu Jitsu with Fabricio Werdum didn't fill in all of CroCop's holes on the ground. What's funny is that Werdum beat Gonzaga's ass.:lol:
Hanzy
04-23-2007, 12:05 AM
The gameplan to beat CroCop is out there for everyone to see. Keep him on the back foot and stay outside of his kicking range. Don't let him plant his feet.
You know, you still have to take at least 1 big CroCop kick to carry out that gameplan. Gonzaga took 1 to the ribs when he went for the takedown. The welt was apparent. Probably couldn't feel too good the next day.
Rubio MHS
04-23-2007, 12:18 AM
Gonzaga may have a high kick even more deadly than CroCop's. He is a huge guy afterall at 245lbs and 6'3. Young and athletic for his size, very stocky powerfully built. Couture will fight smart and try to outpoint Gonzaga.When he knocks out as many people as brutally as CroCop has, maaaaaybe you can say that. CroCop's been killing people with the left high kick for a decade. It was a damn good shot, but we have no reason to believe that this might not be a repeat of Williams-Coleman.
You know, there was no reason for Herb Dean to stand the fight back up. Not aside from protecting Couture-CroCop.
You know, you still have to take at least 1 big CroCop kick to carry out that gameplan. Gonzaga took 1 to the ribs when he went for the takedown. The welt was apparent. Probably couldn't feel too good the next day.How do you think Mirko felt? :doh:
Hanzy
04-23-2007, 12:33 AM
When he knocks out as many people as brutally as CroCop has, maaaaaybe you can say that. CroCop's been killing people with the left high kick for a decade. It was a damn good shot, but we have no reason to believe that this might not be a repeat of Williams-Coleman.
Not aside from protecting Couture-CroCop.
How do you think Mirko felt? :doh:
He's lucky he escaped serious injury, or even.....death! :eek:
Rubio MHS
04-23-2007, 01:15 AM
He's lucky he escaped serious injury, or even.....death! :eek:We're talking mixed-martial-arts, and you sound like a WWF commentator. Believe it or not, CroCop's been kicked before. Head kicks are part of the sport.
Azazel
04-23-2007, 01:17 AM
Gonzaga may have a high kick even more deadly than CroCop's. He is a huge guy afterall at 245lbs and 6'3. Young and athletic for his size, very stocky powerfully built. Couture will fight smart and try to outpoint Gonzaga.
Not even close, you could see he was off balance throwing it and lost a lot of weight transfer at the end, but, Crocop has a CRYSTAl chin so it didn't mattered. And I was glad the ref made them stand up, Gonzaga wasn't doing much on the ground.
Rubio MHS
04-23-2007, 01:31 AM
Not even close, you could see he was off balance throwing it and lost a lot of weight transfer at the end, but, Crocop has a CRYSTAl chin so it didn't mattered. And I was glad the ref made them stand up, Gonzaga wasn't doing much on the ground.So, you think CroCop started bleeding because it was his period, smart guy?
Azazel
04-23-2007, 01:33 AM
So, you think CroCop started bleeding because it was his period, smart guy?
He gave him a few good shot here and there but far too sparse to be outraged at the ref decision to make them stand.
Rubio MHS
04-23-2007, 01:40 AM
He gave him a few good shot here and there but far too sparse to be outraged at the ref decision to make them stand.He never stopped working, and he opened CroCop up. In fact, the fight was stood up right after Gonzaga worked CroCop into the fence. Unfortunately, there's an unspoken rule that whenever you have a good standup fighter, you don't leave him on the ground for too long.
LEGENDARY
04-23-2007, 08:19 AM
I wonder if he ever thinks of just calling it quits? Watching him get KO'd like that was just Yuck!:eek: That was a scary ass KO.....I thought he was dead.
Hanzy
04-23-2007, 11:01 AM
We're talking mixed-martial-arts, and you sound like a WWF commentator. Believe it or not, CroCop's been kicked before. Head kicks are part of the sport.
Right. So that means anybody who gets KTFO in that fashion where his eyes have rolled into the back of his head before even hitting the ground and his leg twisted a full 180 degrees is not something to be seriously worried about? Regardless of if he's been kicked before, that could've been a serious injury. Our heads aren't designed to be kicked in, Rubio. Same reason we were boxing gloves in the ring. Why do you think headbutts are outlawed? Don't forget the serious injuries that have occured in pro boxing, and it could happen in MMA too. Especially since headkicks are legal therefore increasing the risk of injury.
This enhances UFC's legacy.
UFC > Pride.
:lol:
Hanzy
04-23-2007, 11:05 AM
Not even close, you could see he was off balance throwing it and lost a lot of weight transfer at the end, but, Crocop has a CRYSTAl chin so it didn't mattered. And I was glad the ref made them stand up, Gonzaga wasn't doing much on the ground.
Come on Azazel. You make it sound like any motherf*cker could just take a kick in the head like that. Why do you think boxers are bawling their eyes out from a headbutt? What do you think it feels like to have somebody's shin smashed into your skull as hard as possible? Especially a trained professional? That's bone on bone, not 12 ounce padded leather on bone.
Crystal chin or not, few people would've taken that kick. It was way too damn flush, smashing into the brain. He took it to the skull, not the chin. Wake up!
Hanzy
04-23-2007, 11:07 AM
This enhances UFC's legacy.
UFC > Pride.
:lol:
Werdum(Pride) already KO'd Gonzaga(UFC) previously, so they've still got an edge.:lol:
Werdum(Pride) already KO'd Gonzaga(UFC) previously, so they've still got an edge.:lol:
Arlovski > Werdum.
Nope, no edge. :lol:
I'm totally kidding though. I don't think one is better. I'm a fan of all MMA.
Hanzy
04-23-2007, 11:35 AM
Arlovski > Werdum.
Nope, no edge. :lol:
Oh ok, so that's how it's gonna be eh? Should we do the 'he beat the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat the man............." scenario?:laughing:
Hanzy
04-23-2007, 11:36 AM
I'm totally kidding though. I don't think one is better. I'm a fan of all MMA.
100% agreed. There is no edge. There are excellent fighters in both organizations. But that's a moot point now Z, since it's all now 1 big organization.
I can't wait to see Noguira in the octagon.
100% agreed. There is no edge. There are excellent fighters in both organizations. But that's a moot point now Z, since it's all now 1 big organization.
I can't wait to see Noguira in the octagon.
Agreed. Big nog will definitly make some noise. Good things are to come for MMA fans.
whiskey
04-23-2007, 01:55 PM
Do you think we'll ever get to see Fedor fight in the Octagon?
Hanzy
04-23-2007, 02:04 PM
Do you think we'll ever get to see Fedor fight in the Octagon?
Dana White believes so. Fedor has a non-exculsive contract with Pride, and the UFC doesn't allow non-exlusive contracts. Dana has said he's going to try to stop Fedor from taking fights with other organizations(BoDog). Although it's possible Fedor could drop his belt and just sign with BoDog. He seems to like it there and the reception he got in his last fight over in Russia was nothing short of incredible. Unless Dana coughs up serious money, Fedor will probably fight the remainder of his career in Bodog.
But I see Dana White managing to bring him in. He really does listen to the fans, and he himself said he aims to bring all the best fighters in the world together, particularly mentioning Fedor.
Jesus of montreal
04-23-2007, 08:34 PM
Fedor is starting to avoid real competition. His last 4 opponents were Zulu, Coleman, Hunt nd Lindland.
Not exactly the stuff legend are made of. I like him a lot, but it's time he up his competition once again. I'm not sure he still has the desire to do so
Hanzy
04-23-2007, 10:24 PM
Fedor is starting to avoid real competition. His last 4 opponents were Zulu, Coleman, Hunt nd Lindland.
Not exactly the stuff legend are made of. I like him a lot, but it's time he up his competition once again. I'm not sure he still has the desire to do so
Hunt is a tough matchup for anybody on the feet. That was a good win for Fedor. Lindland is alright, he's always game. Fans have been waiting for a Fedor/Josh Barnett fight though and it's too bad it never materialized in Pride. I guess chances right now are bleak for a Fedor/CroCop II. But there are a few good opponents out there for Fedor to take on. My personal list would be Chuck Liddell if Liddell gets by Jackson and decides to go up to heavyweight, Josh Barnett, perhaps the winner of Gonzaga/Couture, and maybe Andrei Arlovski.
MassaCure
04-24-2007, 12:07 PM
UFC > Pride? :laughing: :lol:
cro cop got ko'ed in pride as well, he wasnt the champ or anything, he has a paper bag jaw
cro cop got ko'ed in pride as well, he wasnt the champ or anything, he has a paper bag jaw
He was the pride open weight grand prix champion. He was the second best guy in Pride basically.
Hanzy
04-24-2007, 12:22 PM
cro cop got ko'ed in pride as well, he wasnt the champ or anything, he has a paper bag jaw
You make it seem like the shots he got hit with were no big deal?:dunno: Flush left hook to the jaw from Randleman dropped him, Flush right high kick to the skull from Gonzaga KO'd him. Nobody would withstand those shots except possibly Mark Hunt.
MassaCure
04-24-2007, 01:44 PM
You make it seem like the shots he got hit with were no big deal?:dunno: Flush left hook to the jaw from Randleman dropped him, Flush right high kick to the skull from Gonzaga KO'd him. Nobody would withstand those shots except possibly Mark Hunt.
im including k1 fights as well
Azazel
04-24-2007, 06:55 PM
cro cop got ko'ed in pride as well, he wasnt the champ or anything, he has a paper bag jaw
He got tkoed by a slap on the clinch from McDonald, he's CHINNY
He got tkoed by a slap on the clinch from McDonald, he's CHINNY
Chinny or not that kick he got nailed with from Gonzaga would have KO'd anyone.
MassaCure
04-24-2007, 09:18 PM
He got tkoed by a slap on the clinch from McDonald, he's CHINNY
your good, thats the fight im referencing
winner by choke
04-24-2007, 09:35 PM
Mirko Filipovic was a great amateur boxing heavyweight in Europe and his one glaring weakness was his chin...the kick on Saturday had nothing to do with his chin, it had to do with he anticpated it low and caught it high...it wouldve KOed anybody.
Tam Tam
04-24-2007, 09:52 PM
Dude copped a 250 pound mans SHIN right behind the ear. That kick would have fell one of the Twin Towers (if the Jews didn't get to it first).
That said, Mirko fights like a man who knows he has a suspect beard. Always has. Doesn't mean he can't take your head off whenever something lands.
whiskey
04-25-2007, 12:06 PM
Chinny or not that kick he got nailed with from Gonzaga would have KO'd anyone.
:nono:
Ricardo Mayorga would have laughed and asked for another one.
Azazel
04-25-2007, 03:25 PM
Chinny or not that kick he got nailed with from Gonzaga would have KO'd anyone.
No doubt, it was a good kick, but a lot of peple wouldn't have been koed by it.
Hanzy
04-25-2007, 04:25 PM
No doubt, it was a good kick, but a lot of peple wouldn't have been koed by it.
Very few. It's not always about the chin, it's often about where the kick lands. Everybody has a sweet spot and a hard shin to the brain can render anybody unconscious. It's obvious that was a hard as hell kick considering how CroCop's entire 225lb body torqued and his leg twisted severely.
slystaff
04-25-2007, 05:00 PM
That was a prime example of "You live by the sword you die by the sword". Cro Cop made a career out of knocking guys defuk out with kicks, it's fitting that he goes out the same way.
GREAT refereeing btw!! The Referee was quick to jump in and stop Gonzaga from inflicting any more damage (which could have been life threatening) on the virtual corpse of Cro Cop.
:nono:
Ricardo Mayorga would have laughed and asked for another one.
Sure, just like he asked for another left hook from Oscar. :lol:
Hanzy
04-25-2007, 06:29 PM
That was a prime example of "You live by the sword you die by the sword". Cro Cop made a career out of knocking guys defuk out with kicks, it's fitting that he goes out the same way.
GREAT refereeing btw!! The Referee was quick to jump in and stop Gonzaga from inflicting any more damage (which could have been life threatening) on the virtual corpse of Cro Cop.
Correct.:clap: CroCop can now understand the pain of men like Igor Vovchanchyn who were recipients of CroCop's high kick. You know what's really ironic? CroCop blasted Igor with a left high kick and Igor fell down like a corpse, motionless and CroCop still went at him with a couple of punches and the ref had to literally jump in there putting his own neck in front of CroCop's onslaught. Same thing just happened to CroCop where he fell down like he was dead and Gonzaga landed a few more punches on his face before Dean could tackle him.
What went around came around.:dunno:
slystaff
04-25-2007, 07:37 PM
Correct.:clap: CroCop can now understand the pain of men like Igor Vovchanchyn who were recipients of CroCop's high kick. You know what's really ironic? CroCop blasted Igor with a left high kick and Igor fell down like a corpse, motionless and CroCop still went at him with a couple of punches and the ref had to literally jump in there putting his own neck in front of CroCop's onslaught. Same thing just happened to CroCop where he fell down like he was dead and Gonzaga landed a few more punches on his face before Dean could tackle him.
What went around came around.:dunno:
Indeed. Some serious irony there for sure..
valdosta
04-25-2007, 07:45 PM
Mark Hunt could have taken that kick. That fuckers head isn't human.
Azazel
04-26-2007, 01:21 AM
Mark Hunt could have taken that kick. That fuckers head isn't human.
Hunt got a granite chin, but I wouldn't put it in the same category as a Tyson, Tua or Mercer chin. He looked like a corpse after 2 rounds in his ko to Lebanner.
Joe King
04-26-2007, 01:42 AM
Cro Cop's been starched 4x from what I've seen. This was the worst though.
Tam Tam
04-26-2007, 03:25 AM
Cro Cop's been starched 4x from what I've seen. This was the worst though.
I hope you're not referring to a body shot stoppage as being 'starched'.
Still, his three significant KO losses on his feet have all been pretty sweet. Personally, I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for the way Donkey Kong squished his head into the mat, after knocking him flat with that left hook.
Tam Tam
04-26-2007, 03:27 AM
Hunt got a granite chin, but I wouldn't put it in the same category as a Tyson, Tua or Mercer chin. He looked like a corpse after 2 rounds in his ko to Lebanner.
PLEASE.
Tyson looked like a 'corpse' in all of his FOUR KO losses. :rolleyes:
valdosta
04-26-2007, 03:50 AM
Hunt got a granite chin, but I wouldn't put it in the same category as a Tyson, Tua or Mercer chin. He looked like a corpse after 2 rounds in his ko to Lebanner.
I would, he took Mirko's kicks to the head to.
Tam Tam
04-26-2007, 03:58 AM
I would, he took Mirko's kicks to the head to.
No shit. He went down and down pretty fucking hard...but still got up and fought on. I've seen thousands of MMA and K-1 fights and I can't remember more than a handful of harder shots taken to the face...where a guy was able to get up and continue.
As for Hunt's loss to LeBanner? Corpse? :lol: :lol: I don't believe you've seen the fight. If you want Corpse, check out Hunt knocking LeBanner's head off of his shoulders earlier in the GP.
slystaff
04-26-2007, 07:47 AM
Mark Hunt could have taken that kick. That fuckers head isn't human.
Strength of chin is an irrelevant discussion when talking about taking kicks. Even Marvin Hagler would be KTFO by a well placed hard kick from another Middleweight.
Kicks are at least three times as hard as punches on average.
Hanzy
04-26-2007, 09:47 AM
Hunt got a granite chin, but I wouldn't put it in the same category as a Tyson, Tua or Mercer chin. He looked like a corpse after 2 rounds in his ko to Lebanner.
I don't think Tua, Tyson or Mercer would respond well to getting kicked in the head either.:dunno: We saw Mercer quit after 1 kick to the head from Bojansky.
Azazel
04-26-2007, 04:06 PM
I don't think Tua, Tyson or Mercer would respond well to getting kicked in the head either.:dunno: We saw Mercer quit after 1 kick to the head from Bojansky.
Mercer was an 1000 years old, and the kick was a far bettter one than the one Cro Cop took and he wasn't koed either. And in his fight with Musachi, he took numerous high kick right on the temple.
Azazel
04-26-2007, 04:07 PM
Strength of chin is an irrelevant discussion when talking about taking kicks. Even Marvin Hagler would be KTFO by a well placed hard kick from another Middleweight.
Kicks are at least three times as hard as punches on average.
Amanzingly, punches are supposed to be harder than kicks, but I think kicks have more one "punch" ko potential due to the fact you tend not to see them.
Azazel
04-26-2007, 04:11 PM
No shit. He went down and down pretty fucking hard...but still got up and fought on. I've seen thousands of MMA and K-1 fights and I can't remember more than a handful of harder shots taken to the face...where a guy was able to get up and continue.
As for Hunt's loss to LeBanner? Corpse? :lol: :lol: I don't believe you've seen the fight. If you want Corpse, check out Hunt knocking LeBanner's head off of his shoulders earlier in the GP.
It seems to me it's you who didn't see the fight ( the 3rd one between the 2 if I'm not mistaken) and confused it with the 2nd one that Hunt won. As hard as Hunt chin is, I'd highly doubt a Tua,Mercer,Tyson,McCall would be as hurt as he was from basically a jab and basically dead at the end of the round.
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/lebanner%2Bhunt/video/xrxj3_jerome-lebanner-vs-hunt
Hanzy
04-26-2007, 04:55 PM
Don't confuse boxers taking a good punch in boxing to taking a good kick in K1. Tyson could take serious leather in boxing with 12 ounce padded gloves, but when he got headbutt, he was hurting like hell. He'd be hurting if he took a shin to the face in K1.
Dollar-Fifty78
04-26-2007, 05:15 PM
Amanzingly, punches are supposed to be harder than kicks, but I think kicks have more one "punch" ko potential due to the fact you tend not to see them.
Somebody lied to you and you have to be a fool to believe that.:notallthere:
Alabama_Man
04-26-2007, 06:33 PM
It seems to me it's you who didn't see the fight ( the 3rd one between the 2 if I'm not mistaken) and confused it with the 2nd one that Hunt won. As hard as Hunt chin is, I'd highly doubt a Tua,Mercer,Tyson,McCall would be as hurt as he was from basically a jab and basically dead at the end of the round.
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/lebanner%2Bhunt/video/xrxj3_jerome-lebanner-vs-hunt
You think that was a jab?
You think he was done at the end of the round because of that? :doh:
Tam Tam
04-26-2007, 07:00 PM
It seems to me it's you who didn't see the fight ( the 3rd one between the 2 if I'm not mistaken) and confused it with the 2nd one that Hunt won. As hard as Hunt chin is, I'd highly doubt a Tua,Mercer,Tyson,McCall would be as hurt as he was from basically a jab and basically dead at the end of the round.
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/lebanner%2Bhunt/video/xrxj3_jerome-lebanner-vs-hunt
Wow.
That is all. :notallthere:
valdosta
04-26-2007, 07:29 PM
Strength of chin is an irrelevant discussion when talking about taking kicks. Even Marvin Hagler would be KTFO by a well placed hard kick from another Middleweight.
Kicks are at least three times as hard as punches on average.
Actually I didn't say his chin I said his head. Hunt has taken kicks that IMO were just as good as what Cro Cop got KO'ed with.
Azazel
04-26-2007, 08:46 PM
You think that was a jab?
You think he was done at the end of the round because of that? :doh:
Lol, I don't "think" it was a jab, it WAS a fucking jab, you can even see it on the replay.
Alabama_Man
04-26-2007, 08:51 PM
Lol, I don't "think" it was a jab, it WAS a fucking jab, you can even see it on the replay.
Okay, just to get it straight, we're talking about the punch that put Hunt down right? :dunno:
Azazel
04-26-2007, 08:55 PM
Okay, just to get it straight, we're talking about the punch that put Hunt down right? :dunno:
Yes, the first kd
Azazel
04-26-2007, 09:01 PM
Somebody lied to you and you have to be a fool to believe that.:notallthere:
They were a study posted on a couple of websites ( here too I think ) that measure different striking technique with some machine and, if I remember correctly, a knee from a thai clinch scored the highest but a boxer puches scored higher than a high kick. Of course the study is flawed as hell ( the boxer might be a power puncher while the kickboxer feather "fisted", plus I don't trust a machine to accuretely predict the power of a strike) and IMO shouldn't be taken seriously.
Tam Tam
04-26-2007, 09:11 PM
They were a study posted on a couple of websites ( here too I think ) that measure different striking technique with some machine and, if I remember correctly, a knee from a thai clinch scored the highest but a boxer puches scored higher than a high kick. Of course the study is flawed as hell ( the boxer might be a power puncher while the kickboxer feather "fisted", plus I don't trust a machine to accuretely predict the power of a strike) and IMO shouldn't be taken seriously.
I'll take half a dozen shots to my face, from a 10 ounce gloved fist, from a 250 pound man no less...over ONE shin behind the ear from that same man.
Alabama_Man
04-26-2007, 09:30 PM
Yes, the first kd
That looked like a crisp counter hook to me. :dunno:
Dollar-Fifty78
04-26-2007, 10:28 PM
They were a study posted on a couple of websites ( here too I think ) that measure different striking technique with some machine and, if I remember correctly, a knee from a thai clinch scored the highest but a boxer puches scored higher than a high kick. Of course the study is flawed as hell ( the boxer might be a power puncher while the kickboxer feather "fisted", plus I don't trust a machine to accuretely predict the power of a strike) and IMO shouldn't be taken seriously.
I watched the show that done the study and no the boxer DID NOT punch harder than the guy that kicked the pad. The boxer got around 750 psi and the kicker got around 1500 psi.
Bob N Weave
04-27-2007, 02:10 AM
Muy Thai knees were registered as the hardest impact of all.
MAXWELL
04-27-2007, 03:14 AM
They were a study posted on a couple of websites ( here too I think ) that measure different striking technique with some machine and, if I remember correctly, a knee from a thai clinch scored the highest but a boxer puches scored higher than a high kick. Of course the study is flawed as hell ( the boxer might be a power puncher while the kickboxer feather "fisted", plus I don't trust a machine to accuretely predict the power of a strike) and IMO shouldn't be taken seriously.
Is that the one that showed on national geographics? Because in that show knees from a muay thai clinch scored the highest second would be a kick then then a punch.
Azazel
04-27-2007, 03:22 AM
Is that the one that showed on national geographics? Because in that show knees from a muay thai clinch scored the highest second would be a kick then then a punch.
Never saw the show, only read a recap, I knew that the muay knee scored the highest ( as I said in my previous post ) but I thought the punch scored lower than the low kick but higher than the high kick, guess I was wrong.
Tam Tam
04-27-2007, 04:03 AM
If you guys start arguing and use some show on National Geographic and use words like PSI and "speed times mass equals destructive force ladies and gentlemen", then you just just quit while you're being idiots.
Rubio MHS
04-28-2007, 03:10 AM
I'm inclined to agree. When National Geographic does an episode on cheetahs, it gets a bunch of experts on cheetahs. When National Geographic does an episode on Muay Thai, it gets a third-rate kickboxer and a computer imaging geek.
TysonFan4Ever
04-28-2007, 10:12 AM
I saw Cro Cop get devestated before by this guy Kevin Randleman. The guy wasn't invincible before the Gonzaga fight.
Rubio MHS
04-28-2007, 02:50 PM
I saw Cro Cop get devestated before by this guy Kevin Randleman. The guy wasn't invincible before the Gonzaga fight.Exactly. It's not like he hadn't been knocked out five times before.
Exactly. It's not like he hadn't been knocked out five times before.
It's just nobody really expected Gonzaga to kick at all, let alone land a crushing KO kick to Cro-Cops head.
Jesus of montreal
05-01-2007, 10:19 PM
If you guys start arguing and use some show on National Geographic and use words like PSI and "speed times mass equals destructive force ladies and gentlemen", then you just just quit while you're being idiots.
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