UFC 70 Payout

[Hanzy]

TOTAL PAYOUT: $933,000

Gabriel Gonzaga - $60,000 (Win) - ($30,000 for win and $30,000 for KO of the night)
Mirko "CroCop" Filipovic - $350,000 (Loss)

Andrei Arlovski - $160,000 (Win)
Fabricio Werdum - $80,000 (Loss)

Michael Bisping - $54,000 (Win) - $24,000 for win and $30,000 for best match bonus.
Elvis Sinosic - $38,000 (Loss) - $8,000 for loss and $30,000 for best match bonus.

Lyoto Machida - $40,000 (Win)
David Heath - $6,000 (Loss)

Cheick Kongo - $40,000 (Win)
Assuerio Silva - $8,000 (Loss)

Terry Etin - $42,000 (win) - $12,000 for win and $30,000 for sub of the night bonus)
Matt Grice - $3,000 (Loss)

Junior Assuncao - $6,000 (Win)
David Lee - $2,000 (Loss)

Alessio Sakara - $20,000 (Win)
Victor Valimaki - $3,000 (Loss)

Jesse Liaudin - $6,000 (Win)
Dennis Siver - $3,000 (Loss)

Paul Taylor - $8,000 (Win)
Edilberto Crocota - $4,000 (Loss)

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:lol: Good thing Sinosic got the 'best match' bonus. I'd have felt bad for the guy considering he rode a train for about 18 hours to make it to the event, got his face smashed into a bloody mess, and went home in another 18 hour trip while collecting just $8,000 for an ass kicking. That match bonus surely must've helped soothe the pain a little bit on the long ride home.

[Rubio MHS]

I like the match/KO/sub of the night bonuses, but in the end, Gonzaga made very little money for such a big win. Worse yet, I have a feeling that he'll never have a huge payoff.

[Hanzy]

I like the match/KO/sub of the night bonuses, but in the end, Gonzaga made very little money for such a big win. Worse yet, I have a feeling that he'll never have a huge payoff.

That was the amount he signed for on the contract. He pulled off a major upset. Therefore he'll stand to make alot more money when he fights for the title against Couture on ppv, I'm assuming.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

If MMA is so popular why do guys get $3,000.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

If MMA is so popular why do guys get $3,000.
Cos it's total shit, that's why.

[Hanzy]

If MMA is so popular why do guys get $3,000.

So they can pay other guys like CroCop $350,000.:lol:

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

So they can pay other guys like CroCop $350,000.:lol:Don't you still think that is still shitty money.

Everybody says Don King and Arum are crooks but Dana White pays these guys slave wages. With all the different coaches you have to have how can these guys afford to eat for $3,000.

Did Pride pay the fighters slave wages too?

[Hanzy]

Don't you still think that is still shitty money.

Everybody says Don King and Arum are crooks but Dana White pays these guys slave wages. With all the different coaches you have to have how can these guys afford to eat for $3,000.

Did Pride pay the fighters slave wages too?

Pride had a minimum wage of $10,000. Nobody ever got paid less than that in Pride. UFC has a minimum wage of $2,000.

[ArturoGatti]

Pride had a minimum wage of $10,000. Nobody ever got paid less than that in Pride. UFC has a minimum wage of $2,000.:doh:

[D MAN]

Pride had a minimum wage of $10,000. Nobody ever got paid less than that in Pride. UFC has a minimum wage of $2,000.

From what I recall, after Pride events, when people made similar threads to this, the actual wages shown paled in comparison to UFC wages. You may be right that there was slightly more parity in wages, but overall the fighters got shit on alot more than UFC or even some of the smaller orgs.

Also there is speculation about UFC wages being garnished in some way to allow fighters to keep larger portions of the wage ie training costs etc being payed for or tax deductible.. so that the published wage is actually alot less than the fighters are earning.

[Free Ike]

Honestly, unless you are great why even fight for a few thousand. It isn't worth it. No wonder Mike-Dave told me he wasn't going to continue. He said there was no money in it and he is right. I mean Cro-Cop is a huge name and he is getting 350,000.

[Haymaker]

how will this loss affect cro cop's purse next time he fight?

[suiteness]

His purse will be the same. This was his second fight on a six-fight contract.

[Hanzy]

From what I recall, after Pride events, when people made similar threads to this, the actual wages shown paled in comparison to UFC wages. You may be right that there was slightly more parity in wages, but overall the fighters got shit on alot more than UFC or even some of the smaller orgs.

Also there is speculation about UFC wages being garnished in some way to allow fighters to keep larger portions of the wage ie training costs etc being payed for or tax deductible.. so that the published wage is actually alot less than the fighters are earning.

That's possible.

[suiteness]

The UFC could easily bump up the purses to a $10,000 minimum. I'm not gonna complain that much because they've been slowly raising it from $2000 a couple years ago and most of these guys would be lucky to make $1000 in any of the smaller shows.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

According to Dana White Floyd can't sell 10 tickets but in his last fight he made a gurantee of $8,000,000 with a cut of the PPV sales. So how come these guys can sell out an arena get good ppv sales and hardly make a 7 figure purse.

Tito and Chuck did a million buys for the rematch. Does anybody know what their purse was for that fight?

[Rubio MHS]

If MMA is so popular why do guys get $3,000.MMA is popular because the participants are so willing to fight and die just for honor. Guys get $3000 a fight because they're willing to fight and die just for honor.

[Hanzy]

According to Dana White Floyd can't sell 10 tickets but in his last fight he made a gurantee of $8,000,000 with a cut of the PPV sales. So how come these guys can sell out an arena get good ppv sales and hardly make a 7 figure purse.

Tito and Chuck did a million buys for the rematch. Does anybody know what their purse was for that fight?

Chuck got $250,000 flat fee, Ortiz got $200,000 flat fee. PPV box office was excellent and they got a cut of that, and ultimately both went home with up to or close to $3 million.

[ILLUMINATI]

If MMA is so popular why do guys get $3,000.


it's nascar with fist!

[suiteness]

I'm pretty sure Dana said that Liddell cleared $9 million last year.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

it's nascar with fist!
I know alot of fights are boring but they are not that bad.

[TFK]

Maybe UFC should start overpaying their fighters like boxing does, making it impossible to have more then 1 fight on a PPV with big name fighters, bringing an end to the stacked cards UFC has been putting on.

Then we can have mediocre cards with a good fighter fighting some nobody, and only 2 other fights featuring absolute nobodies as PPV's, a la Barerra\Fana.

Then maybe big UFC fights can be talked about, but never made, because one or both fighters don't think they're getting paid enough, and fighter A won't fight fighter B unless he gets paid at least X amount of dollars.

Is UFC underpaying their fighters? Absolutely. But I'd rather have them underpay their fighters and keep things as they are, then become the trainwreck that boxing has become partially because the fighters are ridiculously overpaid.

Just curious, what are the payouts for the fighters on the non televised porttion of the Oscar\Floyd PPV next week? This should be the biggest PPV of the year for boxing, UFC and wrestling, so I hope the curtain jerkers fighting in an empty arena hours before the main event are getting paid $30,000 each, otherwise this same 'underpaid' argument can be directed at boxing too.

TFK

[ILLUMINATI]

I know alot of fights are boring but they are not that bad.

Nothing is as bad as Nascar...

[His_Royness]

Maybe UFC should start overpaying their fighters like boxing does, making it impossible to have more then 1 fight on a PPV with big name fighters, bringing an end to the stacked cards UFC has been putting on.

Then we can have mediocre cards with a good fighter fighting some nobody, and only 2 other fights featuring absolute nobodies as PPV's, a la Barerra\Fana.

Then maybe big UFC fights can be talked about, but never made, because one or both fighters don't think they're getting paid enough, and fighter A won't fight fighter B unless he gets paid at least X amount of dollars.

Is UFC underpaying their fighters? Absolutely. But I'd rather have them underpay their fighters and keep things as they are, then become the trainwreck that boxing has become partially because the fighters are ridiculously overpaid.

Just curious, what are the payouts for the fighters on the non televised porttion of the Oscar\Floyd PPV next week? This should be the biggest PPV of the year for boxing, UFC and wrestling, so I hope the curtain jerkers fighting in an empty arena hours before the main event are getting paid $30,000 each, otherwise this same 'underpaid' argument can be directed at boxing too.

TFK


isnt it with the bad payouts right now much more likely the stars will feel underpayed for a dream match-up?

I mean, if the guy is making like 25 Million out of one PPV just share a bit of the money and don't keep 95% for yourself. If the NBA or NFL did that we wudn't be watching games right now... :nono:

[D MAN]

Maybe UFC should start overpaying their fighters like boxing does, making it impossible to have more then 1 fight on a PPV with big name fighters, bringing an end to the stacked cards UFC has been putting on.

Then we can have mediocre cards with a good fighter fighting some nobody, and only 2 other fights featuring absolute nobodies as PPV's, a la Barerra\Fana.

Then maybe big UFC fights can be talked about, but never made, because one or both fighters don't think they're getting paid enough, and fighter A won't fight fighter B unless he gets paid at least X amount of dollars.

Is UFC underpaying their fighters? Absolutely. But I'd rather have them underpay their fighters and keep things as they are, then become the trainwreck that boxing has become partially because the fighters are ridiculously overpaid.

Just curious, what are the payouts for the fighters on the non televised porttion of the Oscar\Floyd PPV next week? This should be the biggest PPV of the year for boxing, UFC and wrestling, so I hope the curtain jerkers fighting in an empty arena hours before the main event are getting paid $30,000 each, otherwise this same 'underpaid' argument can be directed at boxing too.

TFK

Good post

[Rubio MHS]

When boxing was in its infancy, no one got paid, either.

[His_Royness]

Good post


not at all it's short sighted if not even stupid...

If u think not getting the big match-ups in Boxing has anything to do with the fighters being overpaid, than ur really an econimic simplist.

It has NOTHING to do with that but simply with the fact of a bazillion different promoters trying to max their winnings.

If all boxers would box under lets say the UBC we would get a dream match up every month all on PPV no matter what the boxers earn.

No boxer could just leave this big organisation and say oh no i'll earn more fighting just nobodies in Wales. :nono:


It's not rocket science but definitely not as simple as TFK was trying to put it.

[TFK]

not at all it's short sighted if not even stupid...

If u think not getting the big match-ups in Boxing has anything to do with the fighters being overpaid, than ur really an econimic simplist.

It has NOTHING to do with that but simply with the fact of a bazillion different promoters trying to max their winnings.

If all boxers would box under lets say the UBC we would get a dream match up every month all on PPV no matter what the boxers earn.

No boxer could just leave this big organisation and say oh no i'll earn more fighting just nobodies in Wales. :nono:


It's not rocket science but definitely not as simple as TFK was trying to put it.

If you think money has nothing to do with boxings problems, then you're the one being short sighted and stupid. But if you're happy paying $55 for one fight this Saturday, more power to you. I'm still curious as to what the non televised undercard fighters are gonna make. I'm guessing it won't be much more then the non televised UFC fighters.

But think of it this way. Say UFC kicks up their salaries and instead of paying top fighters a few hundred thousand, they pay them several million. And also say the undercard fighters pay goes up drastically as well. All is well, as the UFC is making money, and the fighters are making money.

But then say in 2 or 3 years, a lot of the casual UFC fans lose interest in the sport and buy rates drop. Now all of a sudden UFC PPV's aren't making as much as they once were. Do you think now that the bar has been set, the fighters are gonna agree to lower salaries?

Not a chance in hell. So it'll mean higher priced PPV's with 1 good fight and more nobodies that nobody has heard of or could ever care about. It means more fights not made because of money.

Just like boxing.

So UFC is far from short sighted, in fact, they are thinking long term.

Like I said, they should raise their salaries, but only to an extent. If they start approaching boxing salaries, then UFC will more then likely go down the same road as boxing, and that wouldn't be a good thing.

TFK

[His_Royness]

i just said the LITTLE money is not the reason for the good UFC fights being made and the shitload of promoters in boxing are the reason for a lot of dream match ups not be made.


That's all i critizised in your posting. Now you're going to big money in boxing causes problems... that wasn't the argument and sure you're right. But it has nothing to do with what i talked about before.

[steve_dave]

If things don't change, you're going to start hearing the fighters complaining over the next few years. If I'm Chuck Liddell, and I'm headlining a PPV that clearly out-sells a boxing PPV, I'm going to start asking why I'm not being compensated like they are.

This is all going to change very soon.

[TFK]

If things don't change, you're going to start hearing the fighters complaining over the next few years. If I'm Chuck Liddell, and I'm headlining a PPV that clearly out-sells a boxing PPV, I'm going to start asking why I'm not being compensated like they are.

This is all going to change very soon.

It's possible, but what are their alternatives?

There are other groups that apparently pay more such as Bodog, but they most likely won't be in business that much longer.

I think the salaries will continue to rise as UFC continues to be succesful, but I don't ever see them getting as big as boxing salaries, for the top guys anyway. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

TFK

[steve_dave]

It's possible, but what are their alternatives?

There are other groups that apparently pay more such as Bodog, but they most likely won't be in business that much longer.

I think the salaries will continue to rise as UFC continues to be succesful, but I don't ever see them getting as big as boxing salaries, for the top guys anyway. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

TFK

I'm not saying it's good or bad... I just don't see how long it can last. Eventually the top guys in the UFC are going to start holding out for bigger dollars.

[His_Royness]

It's possible, but what are their alternatives?

There are other groups that apparently pay more such as Bodog, but they most likely won't be in business that much longer.

I think the salaries will continue to rise as UFC continues to be succesful, but I don't ever see them getting as big as boxing salaries, for the top guys anyway. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

TFK


it's not as bad as Dana White earning 25 Million a month by sitting on a couch... :nono:

[ILLUMINATI]

:popcorn: ufc give fans a good deal but it won't last......

[Hanzy]

it's not as bad as Dana White earning 25 Million a month by sitting on a couch... :nono:

But at the same time, if not for him, the UFC would not even exist. He put all his money into a dead product many years back and is finally reaping the rewards. He's pretty much the sole reason the UFC even exists today. He's made some very smart decisions and the UFC has grown exponentially over the past 2 years. He's also really gone out of his way to make his product grow, talent-wise. He's attempted to sign the best fighters in the world and tried to present the best possible match-ups. I can't really discredit the man any longer. He's even trying everything possible to bring in Fedor Emelianenko. I can't complain, all the top fighters under 1 roof. It works for me, as a fan. The fighters are getting better pay than just a year ago too. The bonus pay is getting bigger also.
You know, Dana White was actually planning on becoming a boxing promoter before he bought the UFC alongside the Fertittas.:lol:

[Hanzy]

:popcorn: ufc give fans a good deal but it won't last......

They're giving a very good product thus far. I mean, there are upsets galore. All the guys who have been hyped to the moon are being torn down left, right, and center. It's bad for business from Dana's perspective but it's great for the fans.:clap:
Who really needs to see Wlad/Austin or Calzaghe/Manfredo? Seriously, those are world title fights being presented to the fans? Come on. There are flaws in our sport and we deserve alot better.
You can't really discredit the UFC and at the same time, turn a blind eye to the sport of boxing.:dunno:

[Hanzy]

I'm not saying it's good or bad... I just don't see how long it can last. Eventually the top guys in the UFC are going to start holding out for bigger dollars.

Yeah, with more talent being signed, there will be more egos, and there will be eruptions on the negotiation tables.

[Tam Tam]

MMA fighters, (like any professional athletes) want to be paid a certain proportion of whats being made BY their performances. Its no incredibly complex theory. Its about getting what you believe you're owed. Not worth; owed.

Pandy is 100% right and the days of management bleeding fighters dry will end, either in a strike or a rival organisation, with HUUGE financial backing, coming onto the scene and promising better pay.

It'll happen. It goes on this way in every professional sport. MMA will be no different.

[Azazel]

:popcorn: ufc give fans a good deal but it won't last......

The last 10-15 UFC have been mainly shit, I don't get it why people are praising it so much.

[ILLUMINATI]

The last 10-15 UFC have been mainly shit, I don't get it why people are praising it so much.

Well they show a bunch of fights in a PPV...and sometimes we get lucky and they END quickly by KO..those are teh best ones, most though go on and on..with hugging and humping..

7-8 fight might get lucky and see a good one....better chances than just having 3 fights...and 2 being mismatch..and the main event sucking balls...

UFC fans are a bunch of idiots...1 million paid to watch Liddell vs. Tito 2..like the first time around wasn't mismatch enough for them..those are teeny boppers.

[Rubio MHS]

UFC fans are a bunch of idiots...1 million paid to watch Liddell vs. Tito 2..like the first time around wasn't mismatch enough for them..those are teeny boppers.Yeah, but how many idiots are going to pay to watch Mayweather-De la Hoya, which is an even bigger mismatch?

[steve_dave]

MMA fighters, (like any professional athletes) want to be paid a certain proportion of whats being made BY their performances. Its no incredibly complex theory. Its about getting what you believe you're owed. Not worth; owed.

Pandy is 100% right and the days of management bleeding fighters dry will end, either in a strike or a rival organisation, with HUUGE financial backing, coming onto the scene and promising better pay.

It'll happen. It goes on this way in every professional sport. MMA will be no different.

You got it. It's simply the nature of pro sports.

[TFK]

The last 10-15 UFC have been mainly shit, I don't get it why people are praising it so much.

That's a bunch of crap. That's just hating on the UFC for the sake of hating on the UFC.

TFK

[TFK]

Well they show a bunch of fights in a PPV...and sometimes we get lucky and they END quickly by KO..those are teh best ones, most though go on and on..with hugging and humping..

7-8 fight might get lucky and see a good one....better chances than just having 3 fights...and 2 being mismatch..and the main event sucking balls...

UFC fans are a bunch of idiots...1 million paid to watch Liddell vs. Tito 2..like the first time around wasn't mismatch enough for them..those are teeny boppers.

An idiot is someone who can't comprehend UFC is more then 'hugging and humping'.

And Liddell\Ortiz 2 was much more then just one fight. It was a solid card with 5 matchups featuring a lot well known fighters. You can debate the talent of Griffin, Arlovski, Jardine, Leben, Bisping, MacDonald, etc, all you want, but you can't doubt the familiarity of them to the UFC fans.

That's one of the things seperating the UFC from boxing these days. UFC fans actually care about the undercard, and the undercard fights help sell PPV's. Boxing is a crap shoot main event, and a few fights on the undercard with a couple of 120 lb featherfisted Mexicans that nobody has even heard of, much less could care about.

Also, I'm still waiting to hear how much the undercard fighters are being paid this weekend. I'm sure some of the 'insiders' here can easily find out that information.

TFK

[Hanzy]

One other thing to note is that a guy like f*cking Julio Cesar Chavez Jr can sit around padding his crappy pro record for 30-40 fights fighting worthless deadbeats and losers and getting paid. Not quite as easy in MMA. In boxing you can become a millionaire without having fought anybody with a pulse. You normally only get such notoriety in MMA once you've fought and beaten top fighters. Gonzaga was only 7-1 before he beat one of the best mma fighters in the world in CroCop. That would be like putting JCC Jr in the ring with Antonio Margarito in just his 9th pro fight.:lol:

[Hanzy]

The last 10-15 UFC have been mainly shit, I don't get it why people are praising it so much.

Come on Azazel, are you saying World Title fights like Wlad/Austin and Calzaghe/Manfredo are any better in quality? Or worse yet, the Floyd/Baldomor entire PPV. That was really really awful. Or other junk like Barrera/Fana and all the material that belongs on free television.

[ArturoGatti]

One other thing to note is that a guy like f*cking Julio Cesar Chavez Jr can sit around padding his crappy pro record for 30-40 fights fighting worthless deadbeats and losers and getting paid. Not quite as easy in MMA. In boxing you can become a millionaire without having fought anybody with a pulse. You normally only get such notoriety in MMA once you've fought and beaten top fighters. Gonzaga was only 7-1 before he beat one of the best mma fighters in the world in CroCop. That would be like putting JCC Jr in the ring with Antonio Margarito in just his 9th pro fight.:lol:Randy Couture is like 15-8. :lol:

[Hanzy]

Randy Couture is like 15-8. :lol:

True and that's the kind of record which alot of top class boxers would have if they got off their asses and fought the best rather than just padding their crappy records. Couture lost to the likes of Liddell, Barnett, Rodriguez, etc. Also take note Couture began his mma career at age 35.

[Rubio MHS]

Come on Azazel, are you saying World Title fights like Wlad/Austin and Calzaghe/Manfredo are any better in quality? Or worse yet, the Floyd/Baldomor entire PPV. That was really really awful. Or other junk like Barrera/Fana and all the material that belongs on free television.Yes, but there are a number of viable alternatives to pay-per-view boxing. The MMA you see on free cable - aside from Gonzaga-CroCop - is mostly re-runs, tape-delays and crappy reality shows.

[ArturoGatti]

Yes, but there are a number of viable alternatives to pay-per-view boxing. The MMA you see on free cable - aside from Gonzaga-CroCop - is mostly re-runs, tape-delays and crappy reality shows.:shit:

what about the live UFN shows?

[ILLUMINATI]

Yeah, but how many idiots are going to pay to watch Mayweather-De la Hoya, which is an even bigger mismatch?

Well we don't know if it's a mismatch yet....sure DLH has shitty stamina, is older and alot slower than Mayweather...but so was Castillo and he made a fight out of it....

People would be idiots if they pay to watch a rematch of DLH vs. Mayweather ....if Mayweather had already dominated the first time around....

[ILLUMINATI]

An idiot is someone who can't comprehend UFC is more then 'hugging and humping'.

And Liddell\Ortiz 2 was much more then just one fight. It was a solid card with 5 matchups featuring a lot well known fighters. You can debate the talent of Griffin, Arlovski, Jardine, Leben, Bisping, MacDonald, etc, all you want, but you can't doubt the familiarity of them to the UFC fans.

That's one of the things seperating the UFC from boxing these days. UFC fans actually care about the undercard, and the undercard fights help sell PPV's. Boxing is a crap shoot main event, and a few fights on the undercard with a couple of 120 lb featherfisted Mexicans that nobody has even heard of, much less could care about.

Also, I'm still waiting to hear how much the undercard fighters are being paid this weekend. I'm sure some of the 'insiders' here can easily find out that information.

TFK

I agree most boxing undercard suck, they should show alot 3-4 undercards before the main event...but that still doesn't change the fact that UFC is nothing but grown man dry humping each other...and the ref allowing them to do it for 5 freaking minutes...at least in pride the would break 'em up and stand them back up if they dry humped for a minute or so...

[Azazel]

That's a bunch of crap. That's just hating on the UFC for the sake of hating on the UFC.

TFK

Nah, I hate on both boxing and the UFC right now cause they rip us off by putting mainly shit cards on PPV, who cares ( beside the Fertitas and White ) if the UFC ( and boxing too btw) does great numbers, WWF used to pull huge numbers and it was crap too. Go take a look at the post 10-20 UFC, and they were all basically average at the very best, nothing close to the PRIDE tournament.

[Azazel]

Come on Azazel, are you saying World Title fights like Wlad/Austin and Calzaghe/Manfredo are any better in quality? Or worse yet, the Floyd/Baldomor entire PPV. That was really really awful. Or other junk like Barrera/Fana and all the material that belongs on free television.

They're awfull, but at least they're free. And I don't disagree that boxing is pretty much in the shitter right now, I just don't use double standard like some do.

[steve_dave]

If things don't change, you're going to start hearing the fighters complaining over the next few years. If I'm Chuck Liddell, and I'm headlining a PPV that clearly out-sells a boxing PPV, I'm going to start asking why I'm not being compensated like they are.

This is all going to change very soon.

Damn, it's all happening so fast. :clap:

[jarhead]

Damn, it's all happening so fast. :clap:

Steve-Dave is right. How long before the "stars" of UFC look at Miguel Cotto's payday or Kelly Pavlik's payday being in the millions and say, "What the Fuck?". The writing is on the wall and Dana White and the Zuffa's are going to have to put out or lose fighters.:nono: