Who beat Gatti more impressively (brutally, easily...whatever) [Archive]

slystaff

04-29-2007, 08:35 PM

Oscar or Floyd?

Simple question. Want the opinions of the forum.

Obviously The Sly One would vote for Floyd and Double L will vote for Oscar but I'm curious to get the views of the rest of you.

My reason for saying Floyd, is not just because he's my favourite fighter (honorable mention to Manny Pacquaio) at the moment, but because I recently looked at both fights.

Oscar was probably hurting Gatti more, but he was getting hit often by Gatti and Arturo never looked discouraged until the final 15 seconds of the fight just before his corner threw in the towel.

If I remember correctly, Oscar was bleeding from the nose and mouth, and although it was a one-sided beating in Oscar's favour, Gatti was still able to make it a fairly exciting fight while it lasted.

Against Floyd, however, Gatti was beaten from pillar to post with absolutely ease and seemingly very little effort from Mayweather, who left the fight completely unmarked.

Mayweather-Gatti was an embarrasingly one-sided fight...whereas De La Hoya-Gatti was an exciting beat down.

royyjonesjrp4pno1

04-29-2007, 08:36 PM

Floyd. De la Hoya got dropped in their fight. The only time Gatti touched Floyd was when the touched gloves before the fight.

IgiveUpImEricMoralesISuck

04-29-2007, 08:39 PM

Tam Tam

04-29-2007, 08:40 PM

Oscar punished him much worse, but Mayweather beat him easier. Take whatever you want from that.

royyjonesjrp4pno1

04-29-2007, 08:41 PM

Oscar was able to take out a younger fresher Gatti in less rounds. Not making excuses for Gatti, but Gatti was destroyed way before Floyd ever fought him. Gatti was into many wars before floyd fought him. I
That don't mean anything. He is a bigger guy then Gatti. Floyd is smaller. Gatti even rocked De la Hoya a few times and dropped him but the ref didn't call it.

slystaff

04-29-2007, 08:42 PM

Oscar was able to take out a younger fresher Gatti in less rounds. Not making excuses for Gatti, but Gatti was destroyed way before Floyd ever fought him. Gatti was into many wars before floyd fought him.

Reasonable argument. I respect that.

However I would counter that Gatti was better at 140 than he was at 147 and had more confidence in his abilities going into the Floyd fight (after trouncing Ward and Millett amonst others...)

royyjonesjrp4pno1

04-29-2007, 08:42 PM

Oscar punished him much worse, but Mayweather beat him easier. Take whatever you want from that.Did you watch the Mayweather fight? Floyd beat the shit out of Gatti.

slystaff

04-29-2007, 08:43 PM

Floyd. De la Hoya got dropped in their fight. The only time Gatti touched Floyd was when the touched gloves before the fight.

You forgot to vote!! :nono:

Erratic

04-29-2007, 08:45 PM

Oscar gave Gatti a worse physical beating, Floyd was more dominating (at least Gatti hit Oscar and bloodied his nose).

Floyd beat Gatti when he was 4 years older, but at a weight class where he was being successful.

Brutally: Oscar
Convincingly: Floyd
Impressively: Floyd, by a slight margin.

Tam Tam

04-29-2007, 08:47 PM

Did you watch the Mayweather fight? Floyd beat the shit out of Gatti.
So did Oscar and in my opinion, worse than Mayweather did.

Matchup_Analyzer

04-29-2007, 09:03 PM

WTF does it matter who beat who easier, that means fuck all...

The sooner some of you pelicans realize no one is unbeatable the better off you'll be

Rubio MHS

04-29-2007, 09:04 PM

Our former editor scored nearly every round 10-8, Craig. And he has a point. Oscar's punches might've been harder, but Mayweather seemed to be hurting him more.

slystaff

04-29-2007, 09:05 PM

WTF does it matter who beat who easier, that means fuck all...

Correct! Styles makes fights.

It has no significant bearing on the actual matchup itself..however I'm just asking a question and if this question offends you...you always have the choice to stay the fuck out of the topic! :warning:

valdosta

04-29-2007, 09:07 PM

Floyd beat him more impressively, he barely got touched. I would rather be Floyd against Gatti than Oscar against Gatti.

Matchup_Analyzer

04-29-2007, 09:09 PM

Correct! Styles makes fights.

It has no bearing on the actual matchup itself..however I'm just asking a question and if this question offends you...you always have the choice to stay the fuck out of the topic! :warning:

:flip:

Tam Tam

04-29-2007, 09:09 PM

Our former editor scored nearly every round 10-8, Craig. And he has a point. Oscar's punches might've been harder, but Mayweather seemed to be hurting him more.
:lol: The fuck they were. Oscar almost beheaded Gatti in round one and was knocking him stupid.

Mayweather beat Gatti easier and more impressively, because he pounded fuck out of him AND didn't get hit. Oscar only did half of it, but I do think he dished out more clout.

Rubio MHS

04-29-2007, 09:16 PM

Correct! Styles makes fights.

It has no significant bearing on the actual matchup itself..however I'm just asking a question and if this question offends you...you always have the choice to stay the fuck out of the topic! :warning:Yeah. Stop this horsing around, Matchup_Analyzer.

slystaff

04-29-2007, 09:21 PM

Yeah. Stop this horsing around, Matchup_Analyzer.

I wasn't going to say anything, but the problem with making references to horses in every response to my posts is that it will lose the humour factor and get very stale very quick.

If I were you, I'd try to mix it up a little bit..try to be witty, creative...and then drop the horse/equus stuff every now and then to keep it fresh.

Otherwise you just seem one-dimensional and it could make people think that you still have this short term memory affliction...because you seem to be forgetting that you recently made quite a few a horse related posts...which were met with apathy and boredom.

Rubio MHS

04-29-2007, 09:27 PM

Neeeighhh!!!You want a sugar cube, Slystaff?

slystaff

04-29-2007, 09:31 PM

You want a sugar cube, Slystaff?

Ok, I'll play along (although this has nothing to do with the thread)...

No, I don't wish to have a sugar cube.

Now, we've got that out of the way...Was Mayweather your choice?

Free Ike

04-29-2007, 09:36 PM

Ok, I'll play along (although this has nothing to do with the thread)...

No, I don't wish to have a sugar cube.

Now, we've got that out of the way...Was Mayweather your choice?
Sly, why do people say you look like a horse? A faggot pedophile yes, but horse, well yes too.

Matchup_Analyzer

04-29-2007, 09:43 PM

Sly, why do people say you look like a horse? A faggot pedophile yes, but horse, well yes too.

I should put up a poll and wait a while and see what the results are :stir:

Rubio MHS

04-29-2007, 09:50 PM

Ok, I'll play along (although this has nothing to do with the thread)...

No, I don't wish to have a sugar cube.

Now, we've got that out of the way...Was Mayweather your choice?Good guess! For that, you get another sugar cube.

slystaff

04-29-2007, 09:59 PM

Good guess! For that, you get another sugar cube.

Dude, please, for your own sake....I'm beginning to feel embarrased for you.

Rubio MHS

04-29-2007, 10:20 PM

Dude, please, for your own sake....I'm beginning to feel embarrased for you.Don't shout, or you'll become hoarse.

mexican wedding shirt

04-29-2007, 10:22 PM

Rubio adds an amusing dynamic to fightbeat. I like that he is Ike's nemesis.

Deep down I think they love each other though. If they met in real life there would be some serious sausage jockying and cock choking.

If Rubio can still achieve an erection that is :dunno:

Matchup_Analyzer

04-29-2007, 10:22 PM

Don't shout, or you'll become hoarse.

Leave Mister Ed alone

Rubio MHS

04-29-2007, 10:36 PM

uppercutz1

04-29-2007, 10:42 PM

The question that should be asked is why was Floyd/Arturo hyped as a legitimate (PPV) showdown, while Oscar/Arturo was simply promoted as a (punching bag) tuneup for De La Hoya?

Rubio MHS

04-29-2007, 10:43 PM

The question that should be asked is why was Floyd/Arturo hyped as a legitimate (PPV) showdown, while Oscar/Arturo was simply promoted as a (punching bag) tuneup for De La Hoya?Gatti had lost three big matches in a row leading up to the Oscar fight - at 135. When Mayweather fought him, Gatti had won a number of high-profile fights at 140 and held a paper belt.

uppercutz1

04-29-2007, 10:52 PM

Gatti had lost three big matches in a row leading up to the Oscar fight - at 135. When Mayweather fought him, Gatti had won a number of high-profile fights at 140 and held a paper belt.

I understand, but nonetheless find it interesting that people got somewhat excited at the pitch that Gatti might be even slightly competitive with Floyd, while no one believed that Gatti should be in the same ring as Oscar.

Rubio MHS

04-29-2007, 11:24 PM

I understand, but nonetheless find it interesting that people got somewhat excited at the pitch that Gatti might be even slightly competitive with Floyd, while no one believed that Gatti should be in the same ring as Oscar.Gatti wasn't jumping two weight divisions to fight Floyd.

LATIN KING

04-29-2007, 11:31 PM

they both beat him equally bad in my opinion. But Gatti was already considered past his prime when Oscar beat him, so he was really shot when Floyd beat him.

Difference is Oscar didn't drop to his knees crying like he stoped Ray Robinson. It was a payday fight both times, only Floyd acted like it was a carreer defining fight. :lol:

Rubio MHS

04-29-2007, 11:34 PM

Gatti was doing MUCH better before the Mayweather fight than before the De la Hoya fight. Before he fought Oscar, Gatti was drinking non-stop.

Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7

04-29-2007, 11:36 PM

It seem at the time...that for DE La Hoya it was another sparring session.....for Mayweather it was the biggest fight of his life...the one that will make him whole....at the time....

LATIN KING

04-29-2007, 11:39 PM

Gatti was doing MUCH better before the Mayweather fight than before the De la Hoya fight. Before he fought Oscar, Gatti was drinking non-stop.he had a winning streak beating guys like Ward and Branco never with anybody worth a damn.

The point is he was already a damaged fighter that was gonna get his ass kicked the moment he steped up the competition. He was also older when he fought Mayweather and everyone knew it was a total mismatch. I don't see how that's an impressive with for Floyd. :dunno:

LATIN KING

04-29-2007, 11:40 PM

It seem at the time...that for DE La Hoya it was another sparring session.....for Mayweather it was the biggest fight of his life...the one that will make him whole....at the time....against Floyd it was also a payday that's why Floyd wanted the fight. Same with Oscar. but only Floyd acted like it was a carreer defining fight after the fight. All of a sudden he beat a warrior and not a fucking bum. :laughing:

uppercutz1

04-29-2007, 11:41 PM

Rubio was right as Gatti was on a perceived roll heading into the Floyd fight.

It was just weird to see the pre-fight hype billing both fighters as almost equals in the ring.....oh well, brilliant (Arum) promoting at it's best.

Erratic

04-30-2007, 12:04 AM

Rubio MHS

04-30-2007, 12:19 AM

The point is he was already a damaged fighter that was gonna get his ass kicked the moment he steped up the competition. He was also older when he fought Mayweather and everyone knew it was a total mismatch. I don't see how that's an impressive with for Floyd. :dunno:That's stupid. Before the Oscar fight, Gatti was in the middle of a bad period of alcoholism. Alcohol damaged him. He managed to get his life together afterwards.

Trplsec

04-30-2007, 12:42 AM

Well, Gatti fired his trainer after the De La Hoya fight because he was pissed that he threw the towel in..

Gatti barely uttered a groan when McGirt stopped the Mayweather fight..

My guess is that Arturo would pick Mayweather in this poll..

pug

04-30-2007, 12:55 AM

DLH

steve_dave

04-30-2007, 12:58 AM

he had a winning streak beating guys like Ward and Branco never with anybody worth a damn.

The point is he was already a damaged fighter that was gonna get his ass kicked the moment he steped up the competition. He was also older when he fought Mayweather and everyone knew it was a total mismatch. I don't see how that's an impressive with for Floyd. :dunno:

He also KOd Dorin and Leija.

Victory

04-30-2007, 01:31 AM

I voted the same, it's just that their methods differed.

For this particular fight, it's pointless to compare performances on the basis of who got hit more or less.

If Oscar wanted to, he could've easily waltzed around Gatti and Arturo would'nt have been able to lay a glove on him. Given the galactic disparity in basically everything, DLH was essentially fighting a midget. He traded with Gatti because Arturo absolutely posed no threat to him. He took some to give a lot.

Floyd on the other hand, pursued a safer, more precise approach. Hence, the methodical beatdown and Gatti's near non-existant punch connect on him. He didn't want Arturo to hit him. DLH blitzkrieged Gatti.

Victory

04-30-2007, 01:34 AM

It seems at the time...that for DE La Hoya it was another sparring session.....for Mayweather it was the biggest fight of his life.... Exactly.

Gatti was a scrub fight for DLH. For Floyd, the perception was different.

LATIN KING

04-30-2007, 02:28 AM

That's stupid. Before the Oscar fight, Gatti was in the middle of a bad period of alcoholism. Alcohol damaged him. He managed to get his life together afterwards.sure he got himself in order but that didn't bring back his prime. he was still the same fighter who took alot of damage throughout his carreer and the more he fought the more damage he took. He was older and more damaged when Floyd fought him.

I don't think much of Oscar or Floyd beating him. The difference is Floyd acted like it was a great win even though everyone knew it was a mismatch with a decent payday.

Same shit now, everyone knows Floyd is suposed to beat Oscar yet when he beats him Oscar will go from being an old shot fighter to a boxing legend on Floyds resume. :lol:

Hut*Hut

04-30-2007, 08:55 AM

mexican wedding shirt

04-30-2007, 08:58 AM

I say about even.

No doubt Floyd was extremely impressive against gatti, literally made him look like a punch bag and barely got hit at all. BUT that fight meant something to Floyd, make no mistake, it was a spirited effort. Despite being much better than gatti, he took the fight seriously and wanted to be impressive.

Oscar on the other hand, didn't take gatti seriously at all. Yet as soon as he turned the heat up, gatti was gone. Floyd had to box brilliantly round after round and bash gatti countless times to get the stoppage.

slystaff

04-30-2007, 09:58 AM

wow, talk about knit picking:notallthere:

I voted the same....Floyd had it easier and looked slightly more impressive, but Oscar was trying out a new style and was pretty much toying with Gatti to give him some rounds. No doubt he coulda ended it in two if he felt like it...as soon as he felt like it he finished it. Plus Gatti actually tried against him.

So what you're basically saying is that Oscar deliberately stayed in the fight longer than he needed to so that he could get his own nose and mouth bloodied a little more just for fun.

Oscar didn't suddenly turn up the heat...it was the same "heat" he was applying since the first round, it's just that by the 5th Gatti had had enough...

Hut*Hut

04-30-2007, 10:03 AM

So what you're basically saying is that Oscar deliberately stayed in the fight longer than he needed to so that he could get his own nose and mouth bloodied a little more just for fun.

I didn't mention the word 'fun', Sly. I said he was trying out a new style and probably wanted the rounds. But then it's totaly unheard of for a boxer to hold back from 5th gear under those circumstances isn't it? :rolleyes:

slystaff

04-30-2007, 01:41 PM

I didn't mention the word 'fun', Sly. I said he was trying out a new style and probably wanted the rounds. But then it's totaly unheard of for a boxer to hold back from 5th gear under those circumstances isn't it? :rolleyes:

Oscar was fighting no differently in the round where he got the stoppage than in rounds 1 - 4. It's just that by the 5th, Gatti was done!

whiskey

04-30-2007, 01:44 PM

The Mayweather fight is fresher in my mind that Gatti's fight with Oscar so i went for that one. Both fights were mismatches and the outcome was never in doubt though.

CleanYourClock

04-30-2007, 02:21 PM

Oscar ripped Gatti apart and stopped him for real .....
Not to mention this was a Gatti a hell of allot closer to prime then the version Mayweather fought ...
Leading up to DLH , Gatti won 4 straight fights and won his next fight after DLH ... Gatti actually tried Vs DLH instead of the version that we seen Vs Mayweather. An older Gatti complaining about being weight drained etc. and then on fight night he didn't even try ...
DLH battered him hard and he didn't give a shit if he got hit because Gatti was no real threat ...
Mayweather celebrates the Gatti victory like Freitas celebrates his last quit job ... The best night of their lives ...

Who beat Roberto Duran more convincing - Sugar Ray Leonard or Joppy ..

Jake

04-30-2007, 03:46 PM

Floyd beat him more impressively, he barely got touched. I would rather be Floyd against Gatti than Oscar against Gatti.
best way of putting it.

Against Oscar, Gatti looked like a punching bag that swung back every once in a while.

Against Floyd, Gatti just looked like a punching bag.

crold1

04-30-2007, 07:54 PM

Oscar faced a better version and stopped him more brutally. Seriously though...who gives a shit. This proves nothing.

Matchup_Analyzer

04-30-2007, 08:04 PM

Exactly

KaukipRrr

04-30-2007, 08:08 PM

Who beat Zab and Mitchell more impressively?...

Matchup_Analyzer

04-30-2007, 08:09 PM

WHo beat Freitas more impressively (brutally, easily)

Really it means fuck all

Tam Tam

04-30-2007, 08:16 PM

Who beats AIDS more impressively?

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OR

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070221/070221_morrison_hmed_7p.hmedium.jpg

Son of Payton

04-30-2007, 08:21 PM

slystaff

04-30-2007, 11:05 PM

WHo beat Freitas more impressively (brutally, easily)

Really it means fuck all

Didn't you try to make that point earlier? Didn't I already tell you that if the question offends you...there are many other threads to participate in? Are you that ignorant?

Hanzy

04-30-2007, 11:09 PM

Didn't you try to make that point earlier? Didn't I already tell you that if the question offends you...there are many other threads to participate in? Are you that ignorant?

:lol: This is the thread on top right now. Maybe he doesn't feel like dragging the cursor to the next thread?

slystaff

04-30-2007, 11:10 PM

Oscar faced a better version and stopped him more brutally. Seriously though...who gives a shit. This proves nothing.

Hey Cliff Rold. You're a good writer, I read a couple of your articles. I respect your writing talents.

But don't come in my topic and start causing shit. It's a simple question, not saying it has any bearing on the outcome of the fight, just wanting to get peoples opinions on it...simply because I'm curious.

If you don't like the topic, don't participate, it's just that simple.

I mean...who the fuck do you think you are coming into a topic that The Sly One started and criticizing it! Are the fact that people have praised you over your articles gotten to your head or something?

Know your place, and stop being "uppity"!

:cool:

jaws1216

04-30-2007, 11:13 PM

slystaff

04-30-2007, 11:17 PM

what a fucking faggot you've become sly.

Don't attack posters who are contributing. You wanna take shots at me or one of the other regulars who talk shit to you, fine, but don't insult quality posters.

No one is above the law! He attacked my topic, so it's open season. Can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

He's just a normal dude who has to eat, sleep and shit like the rest of us.

But it wasn't all "shots", there was some balance: I did compliment him on his articles. They make a refreshing change from "Immortal Beloved" and that type of embarrasing shit.

jaws1216

04-30-2007, 11:18 PM

No one is above the law! He attacked my topic, so it's open season. Can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

He's just a normal dude who has to eat, sleep and shit like the rest of us.

But it wasn't all "shots", there was some balance: I did compliment him on his articles. They make a refreshing change from "Immortal Beloved" and that type of embarrasing shit.

don't do it again.

slystaff

04-30-2007, 11:20 PM

don't do it again.

hahahaha!

Gonna flex you Mod powers on me boy?

Kid, think about the future. You wont always be a MOD here and who knows...I may get back my Mod powers if i only ask for them.

Keep the future in mind boy, and don't make rash decisions. You'll learn with age....

Tam Tam

04-30-2007, 11:20 PM

Can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

How well this contrasts with your stance upon a member voicing their displeasure at your topic.

"Wahhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhh! Get out of my topic if you're going to be mean. Wahhhhhhhhhh!"

:rolleyes:

slystaff

04-30-2007, 11:23 PM

How well this contrasts with your stance upon a member voicing their displeasure at your topic.

"Wahhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhh! Get out of my topic if you're going to be mean. Wahhhhhhhhhh!"

:rolleyes:

You;ve missed the point.

If Cliff Rold has a problem with me attacking him (which I doubt) then he shouldn't attack any topic which I've started.

But this is all irrelevant...

What's done is done. He said his piece, I've responded, now let's get back to business.

Hanzy

04-30-2007, 11:26 PM

staff my man, I thought you were on your way to becoming a famous movie star? Why is your handsome self still lurking around on this old crummy board?

jaws1216

04-30-2007, 11:26 PM

You;ve missed the point.

If Cliff Rold has a problem with me attacking him (which I doubt) then he shouldn't attack any topic which I've started.

But this is all irrelevant...

What's done is done. He said his piece, I've responded, now let's get back to business.

no horse, he responded without attacking, disagreeing and attacking are amazingly two different things...

Do not attack someone unprovoked

slystaff

04-30-2007, 11:28 PM

staff my man, I thought you were on your way to becoming a famous movie star? Why is your handsome self still lurking around on this old crummy board?

I'm still on the way, but it takes time old friend.

I'm only "lurking" on the board for the buildup and aftermath of the fight of the year!

You KNOW I couldn't stay away...during a fight like this!!:cool:

Hanzy

04-30-2007, 11:53 PM

I'm still on the way, but it takes time old friend.

I'm only "lurking" on the board for the buildup and aftermath of the fight of the year!

You KNOW I couldn't stay away...during a fight like this!!:cool:

Will you be back for the buildup of Wlad vs Brewster II?

crold1

05-01-2007, 12:05 AM

Sly:
The Cliff Rold one was not being uppity nor did he take the attack personal. Carry on.:clap:

Rubio MHS

05-01-2007, 01:25 AM

There is a huge difference between attacking someone's ideas and attacking him personally.

Son of Payton

05-01-2007, 09:34 AM

hahahaha!

Gonna flex you Mod powers on me boy?

Kid, think about the future. You wont always be a MOD here and who knows...I may get back my Mod powers if i only ask for them.

Keep the future in mind boy, and don't make rash decisions. You'll learn with age....

Shut up.

slystaff

05-01-2007, 09:34 AM

Sly:
The Cliff Rold one was not being uppity nor did he take the attack personal. Carry on.:clap:

That's cool, bra. I wasn't being completely serious.

Now don't do it again! :tease:

slystaff

05-01-2007, 09:36 AM

Shut up.

Trying to get a reaction? Nice try. You wont get one until after the fight.

Then you'll get one....in person :kick:

Son of Payton

05-01-2007, 09:39 AM

Trying to get a reaction? Nice try. You wont get one until after the fight.

Then you'll get one....in person :kick:

No, just trying to get you to shut up. What makes you think you can start a thread in a general forum and control the types of responses you get?

I can force you to shut up, but I'm trying the civil approach first.

Rubio MHS

05-01-2007, 02:17 PM

I love it when some idiot starts a shitty thread and get called on it. Almost always, he'll prove it by spamming his own thread with bullshit no one cares about.

jarhead

05-01-2007, 02:23 PM

This thread started out with some decent debate:slap: then it just went stupid:shit:

Matchup_Analyzer

05-01-2007, 03:16 PM

Didn't you try to make that point earlier? Didn't I already tell you that if the question offends you...there are many other threads to participate in? Are you that ignorant?

If you don't like the responses you get, too bad

slystaff

05-01-2007, 03:35 PM

I love it when some idiot starts a shitty thread and get called on it. Almost always, he'll prove it by spamming his own thread with bullshit no one cares about.

You have a lot of personal experience on that topic don't you..