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from fightnews:
"In addition to De La Hoya-Mayweather, the 54.95 pay-per-view telecast will also feature two other fights, featherweight Rocky Juarez against Jose Hernandez and super bantamweights Rey Bautista against Sergio Medina."
I mean, come the fuck on. You have the chance to expose millions of potential new fans to some of your fighters and you give us this? Add to this that we all know that the main event could be uneventful and the potential to leave people with a bad taste in their mouths after spending $55 bucks at home (or a lot more in person) is just too great.
It's not like DLH doesn't have some good fighters, either. This is just poor management. Give Don King a main event like this and 90% of the time he floods the undercard with meaningful, interesting title fights. Hell, he would have untelevised title fights or the old teaser fight shown on network tv earlier in the day to get the card started.
All the eggs are in one basket here. I hope it works out.
Arben
05-01-2007, 11:40 AM
You're preaching to the choir.
joony
05-01-2007, 11:43 AM
juarez-hernandez might turn out to be a war.
Nobleart
05-01-2007, 11:49 AM
That's awful! :shit:
You're right, this would be the perfect oppurtunity to showcase some good fights and bring some new fans into the sport.
They should also have at least 4-5 fights for an event like this. Stupid short term greedy fucks. I can blame De La Hoya for this one. He's going to be making so much goddamn money on this fight he could afford to short change himself a Mill or two and put on a really awesome card.
dsimon3387
05-01-2007, 11:52 AM
That's awful! :shit:
You're right, this would be the perfect oppurtunity to showcase some good fights and bring some new fans into the sport.
They should also have at least 4-5 fights for an event like this. Stupid short term greedy fucks. I can blame De La Hoya for this one. He's going to be making so much goddamn money on this fight he could afford to short change himself a Mill or two and put on a really awesome card.
dsimon writes:
Instead we get a bunch of jockeys with gloves on... Fuck all. I guess in this manner the main event becomes like the heavyweights.
Father of Muzse
05-01-2007, 11:52 AM
To watch in HD, isn't it $64.99?
jarhead
05-01-2007, 12:08 PM
I have been thinking the same thing since the undercard came out. This would have been an ideal card to put a tune up fight for Mosely on. Build a bit of drama for a Mosely-Mayweather fight. But you are right, Golden Boy has plenty of fighters to put a class A undercard together. This one is just :shit:
There is no reason that they couldnt have added something like Guzman-Katisdis as the co main with the rest.
slystaff
05-01-2007, 12:12 PM
No one is going to like to hear this, but with a fight of this magnitude...does the undercard really matter?
Hanzy
05-01-2007, 12:13 PM
A StingerKarl vs Steve_Dave on the undercard would rock! We'd ALL buy that for sure.:clap:
Hanzy
05-01-2007, 12:14 PM
No one is going to like to hear this, but with a fight of this magnitude...does the undercard really matter?
For marketing the sport of boxing to potential new young fans, probably so. Especially considering the fact that DLH/Floyd could be a major bust. There's a great chance DLH/Mayweather will be a joke and thus hurting the sport even moreso. But that's just my stance.:dunno:
No one is going to like to hear this, but with a fight of this magnitude...does the undercard really matter?
It does when we are trying to bring new fans to the sport, DLH-Mayweather could possibly be boring as hell, the mainstream fans should have at least something exciting to keep their interest just in case the main event does flop, which with Floyd can happen.
slystaff
05-01-2007, 12:21 PM
It does when we are trying to bring new fans to the sport, DLH-Mayweather could possibly be boring as hell, the mainstream fans should have at least something exciting to keep their interest just in case the main event does flop, which with Floyd can happen.
How many times has Floyd had a boring fight?
Floyd-Burton was exciting
Floyd-Judah was entertaining
Floyd-NDou was GREAT
Floyd-Castillo 1 was exciting
Floyd-Chavez was exciting
Floyd-Soza was exciting
Floyd-Gatti was exciting, even though it was grossy one-sided (not Floyd's fault)
Floyd-Corrales (see above)
It's only Castillo 2 and Baldomir that were relatively unexciting...but a GREAT fighter always has an unexciting (risk free) fight every now and then....simply because they can.
Again Oscar..TRUST ME....it will not be boring..
Nobleart
05-01-2007, 12:24 PM
No one is going to like to hear this, but with a fight of this magnitude...does the undercard really matter?
If my cable bill is going to double that month. Hell yeah!
Nobleart
05-01-2007, 12:24 PM
How many times has Floyd had a boring fight?
Floyd-Burton was exciting
Floyd-Judah was entertaining
Floyd-NDou was GREAT
Floyd-Castillo 1 was exciting
Floyd-Chavez was exciting
Floyd-Soza was exciting
Floyd-Gatti was exciting, even though it was grossy one-sided (not Floyd's fault)
Floyd-Corrales (see above)
It's only Castillo 2 and Baldomir that were relatively unexciting...but a GREAT fighter always has an unexciting (risk free) fight every now and then....simply because they can.
Again Oscar..TRUST ME....it will not be boring..
Would you have paid 60 bucks to see any of those, unless you were in the arena. :dunno:
Erratic
05-01-2007, 12:27 PM
How many times has Floyd had a boring fight?
Floyd-Burton was exciting
Floyd-Judah was entertaining
Floyd-NDou was GREAT
Floyd-Castillo 1 was exciting
Floyd-Chavez was exciting
Floyd-Soza was exciting
Floyd-Gatti was exciting, even though it was grossy one-sided (not Floyd's fault)
Floyd-Corrales (see above)
It's only Castillo 2 and Baldomir that were relatively unexciting...but a GREAT fighter always has an unexciting (risk free) fight every now and then....simply because they can.
Again Oscar..TRUST ME....it will not be boring..
Mayweather-Sosa was OK at best. It was fun to watch if you enjoy watching a fighter's defensive skills and a jabbing clinic, but I don't think most fans care for that. The Goyo Vargas fight was dull too. The first few rounds of the Carlos Hernandez fight was good, but once Floyd hurt his hand, it became rather boring.
I agree that Floyd gets a bad rap for being dull, he has his entertaining fights as well as his boring ones, but I'm not sure if the styles mesh well for a good fight. Oscar can be exciting but he has his share of stinkers too, often in very big fights.
Hanzy
05-01-2007, 12:33 PM
Would you have paid 60 bucks to see any of those, unless you were in the arena. :dunno:
Well using that example, would anybody here have paid the $60-$80 price tags to see most of Mike Tyson's crappy ass fights on PPV? Crap like Tyson/Savarese, Tyson/Orlin Norris, Tyson/Seldon, Tyson/McNeely, etc? In hindsight, alot of the guy's fights were absolute trash, robbing the public of their money.
Antwuan Maxx
05-01-2007, 12:36 PM
There is no reason that they couldnt have added something like Guzman-Katisdis as the co main with the rest.
Yeah, that's what I've been thinking. Guzman-Katsidis should have been on this card and Juarez-Hernandez on Boxing After Dark. But anyway, even though the undercard may not be what it should be for a fight of this magnitude, it should still at least produce some fireworks. I think Juarez-Hernadez will have some good two way action, ending with a Juarez KO. Never seen Medina, so I don't know exactly what he brings to the table for Boom Boom...but Boom Boom is always fun to watch.
Nobleart
05-01-2007, 12:47 PM
Well using that example, would anybody here have paid the $60-$80 price tags to see most of Mike Tyson's crappy ass fights on PPV? Crap like Tyson/Savarese, Tyson/Orlin Norris, Tyson/Seldon, Tyson/McNeely, etc? In hindsight, alot of the guy's fights were absolute trash, robbing the public of their money.
I know I didn't. I'll be getting this fight somehow. I usually only pay for like 1 or 2 PPV's a year and this is one of them. I just wish they made the whole event more relavent then it is. The money is there for a great undercard with recognizable names and meaningful fights.
Hanzy
05-01-2007, 12:59 PM
I know I didn't. I'll be getting this fight somehow. I usually only pay for like 1 or 2 PPV's a year and this is one of them. I just wish they made the whole event more relavent then it is. The money is there for a great undercard with recognizable names and meaningful fights.
No denying that Noble. Hell just imagine if they had an undercard of Hopkins/Winky and Mosley/Margarito or something? They'd be blowing sh*t up at the box office.
Erratic
05-01-2007, 01:08 PM
Well using that example, would anybody here have paid the $60-$80 price tags to see most of Mike Tyson's crappy ass fights on PPV? Crap like Tyson/Savarese, Tyson/Orlin Norris, Tyson/Seldon, Tyson/McNeely, etc? In hindsight, alot of the guy's fights were absolute trash, robbing the public of their money.
I miss the days of using a scrambler.
Hanzy
05-01-2007, 01:13 PM
I miss the days of using a scrambler.
Why not just use an FTA receiver?
$55 for a fight that a lot of fans think is gonna be boring, and crap on an undercard.
Once again, boxing is it's own worst enemy.
TFK
Father of Muzse
05-01-2007, 01:24 PM
$55 for a fight that a lot of fans think is gonna be boring, and crap on an undercard.
Once again, boxing is it's own worst enemy.
TFK
Golden Boy should have showcased their best prospects.
Abner Mares just fought a few weeks ago, he should have been on the undercard.
jaws1216
05-01-2007, 01:27 PM
Golden Boy should have showcased their best prospects.
Abner Mares just fought a few weeks ago, he should have been on the undercard.
and even if he or other prospects are not, they've known this date was gonna be set for months in advance, why not have another of their big names highlight the undercard. Rocky Juarez and Rey Bautista??
Father of Muzse
05-01-2007, 01:28 PM
and even if he or other prospects are not, they've known this date was gonna be set for months in advance, why not have another of their big names highlight the undercard. Rocky Juarez and Rey Bautista??
The Guzman fight would have been good to have on this undercard as well.
jaws1216
05-01-2007, 01:29 PM
The Guzman fight would have been good to have on this undercard as well.
yeah, god only knows how that prospective abortion is gettin its own night
No one is going to like to hear this, but with a fight of this magnitude...does the undercard really matter?
I'm ordering it regardless. Sure it's nice to have some good undercard fights, but I'm paying for the main event, not the undercard.
slystaff
05-01-2007, 02:06 PM
I'm ordering it regardless. Sure it's nice to have some good undercard fights, but I'm paying for the main event, not the undercard.
See, now that's what I'M talking about! :cool:
jaws1216
05-01-2007, 02:11 PM
See, now that's what I'M talking about! :cool:
but isn't that a problem. This is a card that people know is gonna sell HEAVY. Its a great opportunity to get the casual fans into the sport. Can you imagine if a fight like Miranda Pavlik was on this undercard?
Events like this are boxing's opportunity to branch out and grab some of the casual people who will only watch a DLH/Mayweather calibur fight.
slystaff
05-01-2007, 02:13 PM
but isn't that a problem. This is a card that people know is gonna sell HEAVY. Its a great opportunity to get the casual fans into the sport. Can you imagine if a fight like Miranda Pavlik was on this undercard?
Events like this are boxing's opportunity to branch out and grab some of the casual people who will only watch a DLH/Mayweather calibur fight.
Casual fans are brought into the sport by the main event, not the undercard.
Hanzy
05-01-2007, 02:22 PM
Casual fans are brought into the sport by the main event, not the undercard.
:notallthere: Dummy! The same fans can be lost if the event is sh*t. Which it most likely will be.
slystaff
05-01-2007, 02:24 PM
:notallthere: Dummy! The same fans can be lost if the event is sh*t. Which it most likely will be.
My point is....
If the main event is SHIT..the fans are lost anyway...regardless of how good the undercard was. They don't come to see a good fight between two nobodies (nobodies in their eys...remember that) anymore than you or I would be interested in seeing a GREAT fight in a gymnasium somewhere between two skilled but unknown dudes...
oh..and that's MISTER Dummy to you...
slystaff
05-01-2007, 02:30 PM
NONE of us here, were brought into the sport by an undercard fight. NONE.
All of us are products of main events...every single one of us.
I defy anyone to prove me otherwise...:warning:
Hanzy
05-01-2007, 02:31 PM
My point is....
If the main event is SHIT..the fans are lost anyway...regardless of how good the undercard was. They don't come to see a good fight between two nobodies (nobodies in their eys...remember that) anymore than you or I would be interested in seeing a GREAT fight in a gymnasium somewhere between two skilled but unknown dudes...
oh..and that's MISTER Dummy to you...
You fool, staff. You're just disagreeing for the sake of arguing. You know I'm right. Everybody knows the sport has been hurt by the points I mentioned, and mentioned by 99.9% of the other fans out there for the past umpteen years.
Father of Muzse
05-01-2007, 02:32 PM
My point is....
If the main event is SHIT..the fans are lost anyway...regardless of how good the undercard was. They don't come to see a good fight between two nobodies (nobodies in their eys...remember that) anymore than you or I would be interested in seeing a GREAT fight in a gymnasium somewhere between two skilled but unknown dudes...
oh..and that's MISTER Dummy to you...
Are you kidding?
Certainly you don't have such a simplistic view of things.
Hanzy
05-01-2007, 02:32 PM
NONE of us here, were brought into the sport by an undercard fight. NONE.
All of us are products of main events...every single one of us.
I defy anyone to prove me otherwise...:warning:
I'll prove you otherwise. What's your location? I'll come over there and run you over with my cab!
slystaff
05-01-2007, 02:38 PM
You fool, staff. You're just disagreeing for the sake of arguing. You know I'm right. Everybody knows the sport has been hurt by the points I mentioned, and mentioned by 99.9% of the other fans out there for the past umpteen years.
Don't get your Turban in a bunch my hairy friend...
I'm just disagreeing. Every casual fan that I know who has been converted to the dark side...has been converted by the main event...the undercard was inconsequential.
We can argue about this till we're both blue in the face...but it doesn't change the fact that casual fans DO NOT care about the undercard. only WE do!!
Hanzy
05-01-2007, 02:46 PM
Don't get your Turban in a bunch my hairy friend...
I'm just disagreeing. Every casual fan that I know who has been converted to the dark side...has been converted by the main event...the undercard was inconsequential.
We can argue about this till we're both blue in the face...but it doesn't change the fact that casual fans DO NOT care about the undercard. only WE do!!
Buttwipe, all I'm saying is the sport would be bigger considerably if marketed better. That means better cards, and more free-tv fights. Which part of that don't your movie-star wannabe ass understand?
Casual fans are brought into the sport by the main event, not the undercard.
But great undercards turn casual fans into hardcore fans.
TFK
LATIN KING
05-01-2007, 02:59 PM
terrible undercard, of course I'm paying for the main event.
Matchup_Analyzer
05-01-2007, 03:06 PM
But great undercards turn casual fans into hardcore fans.
TFK
:clap: I'm hoping at least one fight turns into a slugfest, prolly the Bautista fight
Nobleart
05-01-2007, 03:08 PM
But great undercards turn casual fans into hardcore fans.
TFK
:clap::clap:
Matchup_Analyzer
05-01-2007, 03:28 PM
I have some friends who saw Lamar Murphy-Victoriano Sosa and they started watching more fights, same with Leo Dorin-Raul Balbi 1, they pretty much started watching FNF when it came on, but all the bullshit decisions and foul stench that came from that disgusted them
slystaff
05-01-2007, 03:38 PM
But great undercards turn casual fans into hardcore fans.
TFK
When? You're being idealistic, not realistic.
It's only hardcore fans who appreciate a good undercard. The rest are only interested in the main event and usually talk through the undercard and look at their watches, waiting for it to finish.
Father of Muzse
05-01-2007, 04:03 PM
When? You're being idealistic, not realistic.
It's only hardcore fans who appreciate a good undercard. The rest are only interested in the main event and usually talk through the undercard and look at their watches, waiting for it to finish.
That's bullshit Sly.
Women's boxing got a huge push based on Christy Martin. The fight that got it kicked off was on the undercard of Tyson-Holyfield I. It wasn't the fact that it was women fighting which made the fight interesting, it was due to the excitment in the match itself.
If you've got a room full of guys watching a fight and there's a good fight on the undercard, you can't tell me that doesn't help build to the main event.
Based on your logic, there should only be a main event and the undercards are skipped all together.
Hell, the Pac-Solis undercard was better than DLH-PBF. I didn't feel bad about buying that undercard. It was worth the money.
A quality undercard sets the tone for the evening.
Erratic
05-01-2007, 04:13 PM
NONE of us here, were brought into the sport by an undercard fight. NONE.
All of us are products of main events...every single one of us.
I defy anyone to prove me otherwise...:warning:
I wasn't brought to the sport by big events.
My dad works for the commission and got me into the small local fights. I became a fan from there on.
Obviously the main event is the most important and has the most impact, but with casual fans who may be cynical about boxing, they may at least say "well the fight before Mayweather-De La Hoya was good" if the main event sucks.
I remember after the Tyson-Holyfield II fight, back then they showed the preliminary fights on PPV after the main event. After the bite fight, my friend who is a casual fan was glued on to the fight afterwards and watching carefully and said it was awesome. He's a bit of a sadist though, because from what I remember it was a one-sided beating.
Hex-One
05-01-2007, 04:15 PM
from fightnews:
"In addition to De La Hoya-Mayweather, the 54.95 pay-per-view telecast will also feature two other fights, featherweight Rocky Juarez against Jose Hernandez and super bantamweights Rey Bautista against Sergio Medina."
I mean, come the fuck on. You have the chance to expose millions of potential new fans to some of your fighters and you give us this? Add to this that we all know that the main event could be uneventful and the potential to leave people with a bad taste in their mouths after spending $55 bucks at home (or a lot more in person) is just too great.
It's not like DLH doesn't have some good fighters, either. This is just poor management. Give Don King a main event like this and 90% of the time he floods the undercard with meaningful, interesting title fights. Hell, he would have untelevised title fights or the old teaser fight shown on network tv earlier in the day to get the card started.
All the eggs are in one basket here. I hope it works out.
I agree, for this price and it's exposer they needed to upgrade the undercard! I can't believe this is over 50 bucks!:nono:
slystaff
05-01-2007, 04:36 PM
That's bullshit Sly.
Women's boxing got a huge push based on Christy Martin. The fight that got it kicked off was on the undercard of Tyson-Holyfield I. It wasn't the fact that it was women fighting which made the fight interesting, it was due to the excitment in the match itself.
If you've got a room full of guys watching a fight and there's a good fight on the undercard, you can't tell me that doesn't help build to the main event.
Based on your logic, there should only be a main event and the undercards are skipped all together.
Hell, the Pac-Solis undercard was better than DLH-PBF. I didn't feel bad about buying that undercard. It was worth the money.
A quality undercard sets the tone for the evening.
On the contrary, olde boy...it was EXACTLY that!
slystaff
05-01-2007, 04:37 PM
Based on your logic, there should only be a main event and the undercards are skipped all together.
NO, I'm not saying that!
I'm saying that undercards only serve to entertain those of us who are already hardcore fans. The casual fans don't care about relative unknowns. They only care about such events..when they are hardcore fans.
This is OBVIOUS!
slystaff
05-01-2007, 04:38 PM
Hell, the Pac-Solis undercard was better than DLH-PBF. I didn't feel bad about buying that undercard. It was worth the money.
A quality undercard sets the tone for the evening.
That's because.....
YOU ARE A HARDCORE FAN!!!
that's my point. :kick:
StingerKarl
05-01-2007, 04:58 PM
Juarez is going to execute Hernandez.
Matchup_Analyzer
05-01-2007, 05:17 PM
I expect him to as well
I'm hoping Bautista gets tested or goes to war
Azazel
05-01-2007, 05:25 PM
My point is....
If the main event is SHIT..the fans are lost anyway...regardless of how good the undercard was. They don't come to see a good fight between two nobodies (nobodies in their eys...remember that) anymore than you or I would be interested in seeing a GREAT fight in a gymnasium somewhere between two skilled but unknown dudes...
oh..and that's MISTER Dummy to you...
False, one of the first PPV I bought was ODLH-Trinidad, and if the Jirov-Brown fight wasn't on the undercard I may had very well not been into boxing as much
Azazel
05-01-2007, 05:27 PM
DLH is turning to be a fine piece of shit, talks of saving boxing and, while he's already full of $$$$$, use the same shaddy tactics that Arum used ( every decent fight on PPV with a cheap undercard ) but one level further. This is pathetic.
NONE of us here, were brought into the sport by an undercard fight. NONE.
All of us are products of main events...every single one of us.
I defy anyone to prove me otherwise...:warning:
martin against deidre gogharty was THE fight that brought women's boxing into the mainstream. It was an undercard fight. On a HUGE ppv card.
Double L
05-02-2007, 12:11 AM
Much of Tito and Chavez's exposure came on under-cards.
Arce made it big on an under-card. He was already famous, but his first fight with Hussein paved the way for his frequent appearances on HBO.
Did anyone care about Mijares before he wiped his ass with Arce? $10 bucks says his next fight is on TV.
What are some other examples? I know there have been some legendary fights on PPV under-cards, but I can't think of them.
I think it's pathetic that anyone who calls themself a boxing fan would excuse a shitty under-card. I think only a fan-boy would have the attitude that the under-card doesn't matter.
Rubio MHS
05-02-2007, 01:16 AM
I gave a shit about Mijares because he beat Kawashima, and because I knew he should be the underdog instead of Arce.
That's bullshit Sly.
Women's boxing got a huge push based on Christy Martin. The fight that got it kicked off was on the undercard of Tyson-Holyfield I. It wasn't the fact that it was women fighting which made the fight interesting, it was due to the excitment in the match itself.
If you've got a room full of guys watching a fight and there's a good fight on the undercard, you can't tell me that doesn't help build to the main event.
Based on your logic, there should only be a main event and the undercards are skipped all together.
Hell, the Pac-Solis undercard was better than DLH-PBF. I didn't feel bad about buying that undercard. It was worth the money.
A quality undercard sets the tone for the evening.
Martin's fight (the one that landed her the SI cover) was actually on the Tyson-Bruno II undercard, but otherwise, agREED on all.
Double L
05-02-2007, 10:54 AM
I gave a shit about Mijares because he beat Kawashima, and because I knew he should be the underdog instead of Arce.
you mean you thought that Arce should be the under-dog?
NO, I'm not saying that!
I'm saying that undercards only serve to entertain those of us who are already hardcore fans. The casual fans don't care about relative unknowns. They only care about such events..when they are hardcore fans.
This is OBVIOUS!
As TFK said earlier, though, casual fans can become dedicated fans of such fighters if they see them enough. The only way guys like Trinidad and Ricardo Lopez became known was being showcased on Chavez and Tyson undercards throughout the mid-90's. Are you going to tell me that neither of those fighters deserved to be paid attention to throughout the 90's?
Hell for that matter, almost all of King's PPV's during Tyson's incarceration were packaged as 4 championship fights, rather than just Chavez vs whoever, and three other fights.
Undercards aren't time-fillers or means to keep people "entertained." They're supposed to serve as showcase slots. Without network support, PPV undercards become the last means for ways to showcase other fighters not quite ready for prime-time, but perhaps too good for the ESPN and Telefutura circuit. Of course, such outlets are no longer properly utilized, but that is supposed to be the purpose it serves, not an extra two hours to chow down on wings and shoot the shit waiting for the main event.
Double L
05-02-2007, 11:14 AM
Thus far, nearly all of Chavez Jr.'s exposure has come on PPV under-cards. Is someone going to tell me his repeated appearances have done nothing to further his career?
Hanzy
05-02-2007, 12:55 PM
Thus far, nearly all of Chavez Jr.'s exposure has come on PPV under-cards. Is someone going to tell me his repeated appearances have done nothing to further his career?
If there were 2 young undefeated heavyweights on the undercard of saturday night's DLH/Floyd ppv, and one heavyweight blew his opponent away in Tua/Ruiz fashion, I believe, on such a grand stage of a major ppv, that would elevate his stock considerably and many many people would want to see more of this guy. Yahoo and Google searches for him would be considerable.
The undercard for such an event is a great platform for fighters to gain notoriety. Slystaff on the other hand seems to think people are just looking at their watches awaiting the main event and give no damn about the undercard.:dunno:
slystaff
05-02-2007, 12:56 PM
Thus far, nearly all of Chavez Jr.'s exposure has come on PPV under-cards. Is someone going to tell me his repeated appearances have done nothing to further his career?
Only hardcore fans even know who chavez jr is....
slystaff
05-02-2007, 01:01 PM
As TFK said earlier, though, casual fans can become dedicated fans of such fighters if they see them enough. The only way guys like Trinidad and Ricardo Lopez became known was being showcased on Chavez and Tyson undercards throughout the mid-90's. Are you going to tell me that neither of those fighters deserved to be paid attention to throughout the 90's?
Hell for that matter, almost all of King's PPV's during Tyson's incarceration were packaged as 4 championship fights, rather than just Chavez vs whoever, and three other fights.
Undercards aren't time-fillers or means to keep people "entertained." They're supposed to serve as showcase slots. Without network support, PPV undercards become the last means for ways to showcase other fighters not quite ready for prime-time, but perhaps too good for the ESPN and Telefutura circuit. Of course, such outlets are no longer properly utilized, but that is supposed to be the purpose it serves, not an extra two hours to chow down on wings and shoot the shit waiting for the main event.
Is everyone deliberately missing my point?
I'm not talking about exposing talent by means of undercards...I'm ONLY talking about the fact that undercards DO NOT bring casual fans into the sport, it is the main event that does this.
Trinidad's undercard fights were not important to casual fans (outside Puerto Rico)...
Everyone knows this to be true...why argue against this.
A casual fan...BY DEFINITION...only knows the fighters in the main event (as a rule) and so is only affected by those fights.
People (not hardcore fans) don't care to see a GREAT fight between two unknown fighters any more than I...not being a HARDCORE basketball fan...care to see a great basketball game between two unknown college teams.
Ya get me?
Hanzy
05-02-2007, 01:07 PM
Is everyone deliberately missing my point?
I'm not talking about exposing talent by means of undercards...I'm ONLY talking about the fact that undercards DO NOT bring casual fans into the sport, it is the main event that does this.
Trinidad's undercard fights were not important to casual fans (outside Puerto Rico)...
Everyone knows this to be true...why argue against this.
A casual fan...BY DEFINITION...only knows the fighters in the main event (as a rule) and so is only affected by those fights.
People (not hardcore fans) don't care to see a GREAT fight between two unknown fighters any more than I...not being a HARDCORE basketball fan...care to see a great basketball game between two unknown college teams.
Ya get me?
bad example. Undercard fighters are given the ppv platform to show their stuff, leading to the main event. Like I said, just imagine if a young undefeated heavyweight stepped in there on an undercard fight of a huge ppv event and blew a poor sob into the 4th row in 18 seconds, are you saying people would not be interested in knowing more about this young sensation? Or would you have been looking at your watch during the action, wondering when the hell the main event is starting? LOL!
Is everyone deliberately missing my point?
I'm not talking about exposing talent by means of undercards...I'm ONLY talking about the fact that undercards DO NOT bring casual fans into the sport, it is the main event that does this.
Trinidad's undercard fights were not important to casual fans (outside Puerto Rico)...
Everyone knows this to be true...why argue against this.
A casual fan...BY DEFINITION...only knows the fighters in the main event (as a rule) and so is only affected by those fights.
People (not hardcore fans) don't care to see a GREAT fight between two unknown fighters any more than I...not being a HARDCORE basketball fan...care to see a great basketball game between two unknown college teams.
Ya get me?
Your initial point was that this undercard being light doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Everyone is telling you you're wrong. We're not arguing that it's needed to better sell the show - the event sells itself.
We're saying that it certainly can't hurt boxing any to showcase other potential stars on its biggest show of the year. Instead, this card - if used as a reflection on the sport - accentuates the mainstream claim that no other fighter than DLH is relevant.
This is in line to my comment in the other thread to your simplistic view on things.
As for your college basketball example:
Perhaps some people will only watch the championships, but even casual fans will take in at least some of the rest of the tournament. As a casual college basketball fan, I honestly don't give a shit who's playing: a good game is a good game. As a matter of fact, there were a lot of damn good games in the first few rounds of this year's tourney, only for the games that mattered most to not be quite as exciting, or even interesting other than it crowning a tourney champ.
A casual fan...BY DEFINITION...only knows the fighters in the main event (as a rule) and so is only affected by those fights.
So...you have to know the fighters in order to be affected by their fight?
There's a very good reason no one is backing you up in this thread. You're wrong.
Double L
05-02-2007, 02:22 PM
Sly, the premise of your argument is that "casual" fans don't care about good fights. That they don't enjoy good fights. And that all they care about is seeing ODH. I don't believe that to be true. I think once they've made the decision to watch boxing, and a good fight is on, they will enjoy it and make note of who was involved. When ODH is on, against PBF, it's one of the rare occasions when the first condition is met, such that the second one can also be met. Namely, that they've made the decision to watch boxing. This is the elusive part. Once it's been accomplished, the sport sells itself. So why not take advantage of a guaranteed first condition in order to bring about the second one?
jarhead
05-02-2007, 02:34 PM
the reference to Tito and Lopez was perfect. Undercards are to make tomorrow's PPV's. Rocky Juarez is a decent fighter, but not even close to tomorrow's PPV headliner. The casual fan might not care if the undercard sucks, but if you want that casual fan to buy a ppv in two or three years, the undercard SHOULD be important to the promoters and the network.
slystaff
05-02-2007, 02:44 PM
Bottomline:
In an event like this...the undercard is largely irrelevant. It may be relevant in Barrera/Marquez or another lesser fight...but for this event...it could have three or four undercard bouts filled with street brawlers for all i care.
Anyone paying for this is ONLY paying for Oscar vs Floyd.
Alabama_Man
05-02-2007, 03:05 PM
Rey Bautista is going to always be exciting. He can't make a boring fight with his style unlike Yawn Manuel Fagquez. :nono:
Bottomline:
In an event like this...the undercard is largely irrelevant. It may be relevant in Barrera/Marquez or another lesser fight...but for this event...it could have three or four undercard bouts filled with street brawlers for all i care.
Anyone paying for this is ONLY paying for Oscar vs Floyd.
Barrera/Marquez was a much better fight (from an action standpoint) than this will turn out to be.
Honestly, the fact that there's a shitty undercard made my six-month-long decision to not order this fight that much easier.
slystaff
05-02-2007, 03:32 PM
Barrera/Marquez was a much better fight (from an action standpoint) than this will turn out to be.
Honestly, the fact that there's a shitty undercard made my six-month-long decision to not order this fight that much easier.
You're not going to watch this fight live? :eek:
Anyway...I'm not talking about the amount of action (we don't KNOW as yet, how much action this fight will have...I think it'll surprised ALL OF YOU)...I'm talking about THE EVENT.
People are paying for THE EVENT (with the possible exception of yourself)
You're not going to watch this fight live? :eek:
Anyway...I'm not talking about the amount of action (we don't KNOW as yet, how much action this fight will have...I think it'll surprised ALL OF YOU)...I'm talking about THE EVENT.
People are paying for THE EVENT (with the possible exception of yourself)
If I watch it, it will be at a friend's house. But no, I never had any intention of ordering it (unless I was going to make a big fight party out of it).
Anyway, I think everyone understands what you're saying. I know I do - your point is that DLH-PBF is a stand-alone event that sells itself. But again, nobody's disputing that. It just seems like you're creating a separate argument from everyone else's point - which is that, true boxing fans would like to have a decent undercard.
The main event caters to the high rollers and A-list celebrities with F-list knowledge of boxing. IMO, the undercard should be a reflection of what else the sport has to offer.
A nice car on the outside looks less appealing when you see it doesn't have power locks, steering or a CD player on the inside. None of that shit gets you from A to B, yet still factors into your decision whether or not to buy the car.
Hanzy
05-02-2007, 04:11 PM
If I watch it, it will be at a friend's house. But no, I never had any intention of ordering it (unless I was going to make a big fight party out of it).
Anyway, I think everyone understands what you're saying. I know I do - your point is that DLH-PBF is a stand-alone event that sells itself. But again, nobody's disputing that. It just seems like you're creating a separate argument from everyone else's point - which is that, true boxing fans would like to have a decent undercard.
The main event caters to the high rollers and A-list celebrities with F-list knowledge of boxing. IMO, the undercard should be a reflection of what else the sport has to offer.
A nice car on the outside looks less appealing when you see it doesn't have power locks, steering or a CD player on the inside. None of that shit gets you from A to B, yet still factors into your decision whether or not to buy the car.
:clap: Perfectly put.
LATIN KING
05-02-2007, 10:01 PM
if your used to ordering PPVs you should be used to not expect a good undercard. Sad to say but it is what it is. Whenever the undercard is good it means the main event is decent at best. Like the Barrera/Juarez rematch.
KaukipRrr
05-02-2007, 10:40 PM
if your used to ordering PPVs you should be used to not expect a good undercard. Sad to say but it is what it is. Whenever the undercard is good it means the main event is decent at best. Like the Barrera/Juarez rematch.
Aren't you excited about Carlos Hernandez's upcoming fight on the undercard?, I am, I've always loved a man with the balls of a bull and the chin of a ballerina, it proves to be a spectacular combination for his opponents. He had potential though, just not in boxing, if he wasn't Carlos Hernandez, he might've been a decent fighter.
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