If Oscar DOMINATES Floyd,.........

[Ron King 702]

what will this mean?? And its not out of the question-who has Floyd ever fough that is a s BIG, strong, and as skilled as Oscar? NEVER.

Remember when he stepped up to 135, Castillo gave him all he could handle, and Oscar is 10X the fighter that Castillo is.
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[Ron King 702]

so getting back to the original question, if Oscar wins convincingly , is he a Leonard or a Robinson???

And by the way my seats are in 205U so Ill be there thanks to a little degenerative gambling at MGM last month.
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[Tam Tam]

Beating a 154 pound Mayweather is about as important as beating a 200 pound Michael Spinks.

[REEDsART]

He WON'T...


REED:nono:

[slystaff]

so getting back to the original question, if Oscar wins convincingly , is he a Leonard or a Robinson???

And by the way my seats are in 205U so Ill be there thanks to a little degenerative gambling at MGM last month.

Personally, even though Floyd is the favourite (I think it should be even money personally)...it is more impressive if Floyd dominates Oscar than the other way around.

After all...Oscar is that much bigger than Floyd and this is Mayweather's first fight at the ridiculously high weight for his frame.

You se...a good big'un usually beats a good little'un unless the big'un isn't THAT good. Oscar IS that good. So for Floyd to dominate him...means Floyd is EXCEPTIONAL. For Oscar to dominate Floyd..just means he's good and too big for the smaller man.

edit:

but as REED said..

He WONT!!

[Double L]

ODH will never get credit. Even though so many on here have sworn that PBF will win, even some suggesting he will dominate ODH, if ODH should win, he'll get no credit, and the win will be discredited a thousand times over again. 4 years later, people will talk about it like it's a loss, the way they do the Whitaker and Quartey fights.

Lucky for ODH, he's not fighting for dumb-asses like them. The only way he could shut people like them up would be to fight nothing but no-hopers.

Sly said himself he's more impressed with dominance than with resumes. That means in his eyes, ODH would be better off fighting a bunch of Derrel Coleys and Castillejos.

[PetreTG]

ODH will never get credit. Even though so many on here have sworn that PBF will win, even some suggesting he will dominate ODH, if ODH should win, he'll get no credit, and the win will be discredited a thousand times over again. 4 years later, people will talk about it like it's a loss, the way they do the Whitaker and Quartey fights.

Lucky for ODH, he's not fighting for dumb-asses like them. The only way he could shut people like them up would be to fight nothing but no-hopers.

Sly said himself he's more impressed with dominance than with resumes. That means in his eyes, ODH would be better off fighting a bunch of Derrel Coleys and Castillejos.

I agree with this ... there's some oddly jealous stigma that works against Oscar even though he's been one of the most honorable fighters of our time and possibly the best this past decade for boxing.

[REEDsART]

I agree with this ... there's some oddly jealous stigma that works against Oscar even though he's been one of the most honorable fighters of our time and possibly the best this past decade for boxing.What's "Honorable" about STATUTORY RAPE???:dunno: ...Aren't U a Father of Teenaged Girls???:dunno: :dunno: ...

U've Bought N 2 the IMAGE of DeLa,PETRE...Floyd DIDN'T Have the LUXURY of Bob Arum BURYING his Skeletons,as he Did for DeLa...


REED :cool:

[TKO]

What's "Honorable" about STATUTORY RAPE???:dunno: ...Aren't U a Father of Teenaged Girls???:dunno: :dunno: ...

U've Bought N 2 the IMAGE of DeLa,PETRE...Floyd DIDN'T Have the LUXURY of Bob Arum BURYING his Skeletons,as he Did for DeLa...


REED :cool:

Spoken like a true Fan of the Fraud.

[REEDsART]

Spoken like a true Fan of the Fraud.So What U're Saying is,STATUTORY RAPE is "HONORABLE",but Because REED is a Fan of Floyd,he just DOESN'T Get it???...


REED:dunno:

[whiskey]

For either man to dominate the other, it would be highly impressive. Sure Oscar is bigger, but Floyd is younger and quicker.

[TKO]

So What U're Saying is,STATUTORY RAPE is "HONORABLE",but Because REED is a Fan of Floyd,he just DOESN'T Get it???...


REED:dunno:

Its trash talk...you seem confused Reed maybe you should look to you mentor for guidance..:lol:

[Erratic]

What's "Honorable" about STATUTORY RAPE???:dunno: ...Aren't U a Father of Teenaged Girls???:dunno: :dunno: ...

U've Bought N 2 the IMAGE of DeLa,PETRE...Floyd DIDN'T Have the LUXURY of Bob Arum BURYING his Skeletons,as he Did for DeLa...


REED :cool:

Well, it wasn't buried that well if we kept hearing about it. :lol:

[Double L]

What's "Honorable" about STATUTORY RAPE???:dunno: ...Aren't U a Father of Teenaged Girls???:dunno: :dunno: ...

U've Bought N 2 the IMAGE of DeLa,PETRE...Floyd DIDN'T Have the LUXURY of Bob Arum BURYING his Skeletons,as he Did for DeLa...


REED :cool:

Yeah. Arum's the villain here. He intentionally didn't cover up the fact that PBF beat on his woman.

I'd rather someone statutorily rape my daughter than beat her. i'll tell you that much.

[*Z*]

Personally, even though Floyd is the favourite (I think it should be even money personally)...it is more impressive if Floyd dominates Oscar than the other way around.

After all...Oscar is that much bigger than Floyd and this is Mayweather's first fight at the ridiculously high weight for his frame.

You se...a good big'un usually beats a good little'un unless the big'un isn't THAT good. Oscar IS that good. So for Floyd to dominate him...means Floyd is EXCEPTIONAL. For Oscar to dominate Floyd..just means he's good and too big for the smaller man.

edit:

but as REED said..

He WONT!!

Oh I see how it's going to be. Oscar will get no credit from the Floyd groupies should he win. How lame.

[TKO]

Oh I see how it's going to be. Oscar will get no credit from the Floyd groupies should he win. How lame.

:bears:

The hour is approaching and so the excuses begin.

[Erratic]

Oh I see how it's going to be. Oscar will get no credit from the Floyd groupies should he win. How lame.

How is that?

He said Oscar is "too good and too big".

Oscar is indeed the larger guy in there.

[*Z*]

How is that?

He said Oscar is "too good and too big".

Oscar is indeed the larger guy in there.

He's acting like Floyd has the chips stacked against him. That is utter bullshit.

Who is the favorite and who is the underdog here? Floyd is the favorite. Why would it be more impressive for the betting favorite to beat the underdog? That's just plain balogna!

[whiskey]

He's acting like Floyd has the chips stacked against him. That is utter bullshit.

Who is the favorite and who is the underdog here? Floyd is the favorite. Why would it be more impressive for the betting favorite to beat the underdog? That's just plain balogna!

Agreed. It will be a big achievement for either guy when they get the 'W'.

Already both "sides" see, to have their excuses cocked and ready. If Oscar loses it's because he's shot, and if Floyd loses it's simply because De La Hoya was bigger.

Then we can have arguments about what if the match was P4P? What if Oscar was younger and so on ...

[Fighter]

I think the POLITICS and the discussions LEADING into the fight will be more interesting than the fight itself...

[Hanzy]

DLH will get all the credit in the world, even from the biggest haters on this board. They may still dislike him for their own reasons but they won't discredit his status as one of the best boxers in our era. When he's gone, the appreciation will grow even more.

[Hanzy]

ODH will never get credit. Even though so many on here have sworn that PBF will win, even some suggesting he will dominate ODH, if ODH should win, he'll get no credit, and the win will be discredited a thousand times over again. 4 years later, people will talk about it like it's a loss, the way they do the Whitaker and Quartey fights.

Lucky for ODH, he's not fighting for dumb-asses like them. The only way he could shut people like them up would be to fight nothing but no-hopers.

Sly said himself he's more impressed with dominance than with resumes. That means in his eyes, ODH would be better off fighting a bunch of Derrel Coleys and Castillejos.

The backlash will be moreso towards Floyd than DLH if he loses. Floyd's entire career is based around his undefeated record and his p4p #1 status. A loss to DLH not only destroys his stock as a top fighter, but also the paydays and attention he clamours.

[Breeze]

Hard to say. Because De La Hoya is the underdog he will get credit for it. He will get credit from me because when you look at all of De La Hoyas big fights he hasn't dominated anybody. He's never been in a big fight where he's knocked out or whitewashed his opponent. So if he does that to Floyd of all people he should get mad props.

However if he does that there will also be a some that say Floyd was to small, and De La Hoya won only because he was bigger.

[Double L]

Hard to say. Because De La Hoya is the underdog he will get credit for it. He will get credit from me because when you look at all of De La Hoyas big fights he hasn't dominated anybody. He's never been in a big fight where he's knocked out or whitewashed his opponent. So if he does that to Floyd of all people he should get mad props.

However if he does that there will also be a some that say Floyd was to small, and De La Hoya won only because he was bigger.

well, he did knock out Vargas, Ruelas, Chavez and Hernandez. Chavez wasn't that old in the first fight. Many people were picking him to win. And his only loss to that point had been a SD to Frankie Randall. And he stopped him in 4 rounds. It's easy to say he was old in retrospect, but if we're gonna be real about this? It's almost circular if you think about it. People say,

"ODH didn't win any of his big fights in dominant fashion."

"Wasn't his first fight with Chavez a big fight?"

"No. He won that one easily. Chavez was shot."

"Oh. Okay. So ODH's big fights are the ones he struggles in. No wonder he's never won any of his big fights in dominant fashion."

Nobody was saying before the Chavez fight, "Chavez is washed up. This will be easy work for ODH."

That's not what they were saying.

but let's see. who ever did knock out Quartey? or Mosley? had anyone ever knocked out Whitaker by the time ODH fought him? In his first fight at 147?

[D MAN]

If Oscar dominates, Floyd will cry.

[*Z*]

If Oscar dominates, Floyd will cry.

True story!

[Erratic]

If Oscar dominates, Floyd will cry.

Win or lose, Floyd will cry at the end of the fight.

[REEDsART]

Yeah. Arum's the villain here. He intentionally didn't cover up the fact that PBF beat on his woman.

I'd rather someone statutorily rape my daughter than beat her. i'll tell you that much.That's just it...

To Say Floyd "Beat his Woman" IS NOT "Factual":nono: ...Charges were Filed then DROPPED Altogether...

But DeLa's Shit IS Factual...But BECAUSE of Arum,this Info was BURIED for Several Years...It Wasn't Until the Sports Illustrated Article from a Few Years Back,that REED Ever KNEW about DeLa's LUST for UNDERAGED Women...

Bottom Line,Arum RUSHED to JUDGEMENT N Floyd's Case(along w/Everybody Else)yet he ASSISTED N Keeping DeLa's Business Hush-Hush...

U're Such a Fucking DeLa DICKRIDER,U'd Probably ALLOW him to Get Busy w/YOUR Daughter,N YOUR House...Shit,YOUR Groupie Ass would Probably WATCH...


REED:rolleyes:

[Double L]

That's just it...

To Say Floyd "Beat his Woman" IS NOT "Factual":nono: ...Charges were Filed then DROPPED Altogether...

But DeLa's Shit IS Factual...But BECAUSE of Arum,this Info was BURIED for Several Years...It Wasn't Until the Sports Illustrated Article from a Few Years Back,that REED Ever KNEW about DeLa's LUST for UNDERAGED Women...

Bottom Line,Arum RUSHED to JUDGEMENT N Floyd's Case(along w/Everybody Else)yet he ASSISTED N Keeping DeLa's Business Hush-Hush...

U're Such a Fucking DeLa DICKRIDER,U'd Probably ALLOW him to Get Busy w/YOUR Daughter,N YOUR House...Shit,YOUR Groupie Ass would Probably WATCH...


REED:rolleyes:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Arum RUSHED to Judgement? How so?

[Son of Payton]

Knock off the derogatory comments.

[REEDsART]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Arum RUSHED to Judgement? How so?Instead of WAITING for the Situation to Play Itself Out,Arum Joined N,Heaping NEGATIVE Publicity @ HIS OWN Fighter...

Only Problem Is,the Case was BULLSHIT...

2 this Day,Damn Near EVERYBODY Calls Floyd a "Woman Beater",but there's NO Factual Evidence Behind it...

REED:cool:

[Father of Muzse]

Instead of WAITING for the Situation to Play Itself Out,Arum Joined N,Heaping NEGATIVE Publicity @ HIS OWN Fighter...

Only Problem Is,the Case was BULLSHIT...

2 this Day,Damn Near EVERYBODY Calls Floyd a "Woman Beater",but there's NO Factual Evidence Behind it...

REED:cool:

Floyd's case went to trial and the woman recanted her story, which could mean she picked up some cash on the side.

The woman did have scratches on her (including her face). Floyd acknowledged dragging her out of the car (pulling her from the passengers seat across the drivers seat) and his lawyers speculated that she got the scratches from being dragged across the steering wheel, not from Floyd hitting her.

REED, I'd ask you to try that move with your wife and see exactly what happens to you in court. Something tells me it's not going to play out the same for you that it did for Floyd. Mind you, that's what Floyd admitted to.

Oscar simply settled his out of court, meaning he paid the girls (plural) off.

Sounds to me like Floyd was late to the table with the hush money.

[Father of Muzse]

Here's the article from USA Today I read...at the bottom, it does state that Mayweather was convicted of a misdemeanor battery charge the year prior to the incident with his babies momma...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2005-07-29-mayweather-trial_x.htm?csp=34

Last year, Mayweather was convicted of misdemeanor battery stemming from a fight with two women at a Las Vegas nightclub. He received a suspended one-year jail sentence and was ordered to undergo "impulse-control" counseling.

Seeing that Floyd was convicted of this the prior year, it makes the later case seem more credible and the recanting of the baby mommas story a tad bit more fishy.

The main reason I believed the statutory rape charges against Oscar is based on it not being an isolated incident...the same holds true for R. Kelly.

It's like Katt Williams said, (paraphrasing) "people don't say the same shit about you for 20 years and the shit ain't true. Whitney Houston has smoked her knee caps off and we're still saying it ain't true."

[Neil]

Yeah. Arum's the villain here. He intentionally didn't cover up the fact that PBF beat on his woman.

I'd rather someone statutorily rape my daughter than beat her. i'll tell you that much.


wow you wouldnt mind a 24 year old guy impregnating your 14 year old daughter?

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

Yeah. Arum's the villain here. He intentionally didn't cover up the fact that PBF beat on his woman.

I'd rather someone statutorily rape my daughter than beat her. i'll tell you that much.

:notallthere:

[Pascals Wager]

what will this mean?? And its not out of the question-who has Floyd ever fough that is a s BIG, strong, and as skilled as Oscar? NEVER.

Remember when he stepped up to 135, Castillo gave him all he could handle, and Oscar is 10X the fighter that Castillo is.

We have a good idea of how good DLH is. We don't have such a good idea about PBF. If DLH convincingly beats him, it says more about PBF.
For me, it would definitively prove, what I suspect is the case -that he was over-rated & not worthy of mentioning among the greats.

[dymipepel]

If ODLH wins, it really won't mean much. PBF is naturally much smaller, less powerful, weak-hitting, more cowardly, and a lot poorer than ODLH.
From what Double L and Reed have been telling me, PBF is also less endowed than ODLH.
So, ODLH's victory is basically worthless.

[bigdawg]

I'm still trying to figure out how in the hell is PBF still favored in this fight. Correct me if I'm wrong but ODLH is bigger, stronger, more power, has fought against tougher competition. This fight will take place at a weight that PBF has never fought at. People have been saying that PBF has slowed at 147 what will his speed be at 154 or 152 cause I doubt he will weigh 154. This will be PBF's first major fight on this type of stage. DLH has the best beard between the two. DLH has 1 punch ko power which can end this fight immediately. DLH has more experience in fighting against speed slick fighters where PBF has does not have the experience against a guy that is multi talented like DLH. Last but not least PBF can't even wear the gloves that protects his hands the best.

Now to answer the question of this thread. After reading the advantages that DLH has which can not be disputed one can say that DLH is supposed to win. Not only win but dominate. And after he wins the only thing we can say is that he was supposed to win. Why because. When has there ever been a big fight where the guy that was the underdog owned damn near all of the advantages on paper. Now if PBF wins then I'm sorry but it will be a major upset. I'll Holla 500

[Free Ike]

I'm still trying to figure out how in the hell is PBF still favored in this fight. Correct me if I'm wrong but ODLH is bigger, stronger, more power, has fought against tougher competition. This fight will take place at a weight that PBF has never fought at. People have been saying that PBF has slowed at 147 what will his speed be at 154 or 152 cause I doubt he will weigh 154. This will be PBF's first major fight on this type of stage. DLH has the best beard between the two. DLH has 1 punch ko power which can end this fight immediately. DLH has more experience in fighting against speed slick fighters where PBF has does not have the experience against a guy that is multi talented like DLH. Last but not least PBF can't even wear the gloves that protects his hands the best.

Now to answer the question of this thread. After reading the advantages that DLH has which can not be disputed one can say that DLH is supposed to win. Not only win but dominate. And after he wins the only thing we can say is that he was supposed to win. Why because. When has there ever been a big fight where the guy that was the underdog owned damn near all of the advantages on paper. Now if PBF wins then I'm sorry but it will be a major upset. I'll Holla 500
Much of it is because DLH has looked bad since the second Mosley fight, a fight I thought he clearly won, but both looked bad. Now, it is years later. DLH lost to Strum and quit against Hopkins and beat a bloated and beaten Mayorga. I think that is the thinking behind Floyd being favored.

[Double L]

floyd's status as the favorite, imo, has more to do with his being vastly over-rated than with the perception of ODH.

[bigdawg]

Much of it is because DLH has looked bad since the second Mosley fight, a fight I thought he clearly won, but both looked bad. Now, it is years later. DLH lost to Strum and quit against Hopkins and beat a bloated and beaten Mayorga. I think that is the thinking behind Floyd being favored.

Even though he hasn't looked good. On paper he still owns all of those advantages over PBF. This is what I think. I think that the media/odds makers are making PBF the favorite so that if DLH beats PBF it will perhaps make this victory bigger than what it is. When on paper DLH is supposed to win. I'll Holla 5000

[Free Ike]

Here's the article from USA Today I read...at the bottom, it does state that Mayweather was convicted of a misdemeanor battery charge the year prior to the incident with his babies momma...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2005-07-29-mayweather-trial_x.htm?csp=34

Last year, Mayweather was convicted of misdemeanor battery stemming from a fight with two women at a Las Vegas nightclub. He received a suspended one-year jail sentence and was ordered to undergo "impulse-control" counseling.

Seeing that Floyd was convicted of this the prior year, it makes the later case seem more credible and the recanting of the baby mommas story a tad bit more fishy.

The main reason I believed the statutory rape charges against Oscar is based on it not being an isolated incident...the same holds true for R. Kelly.

It's like Katt Williams said, (paraphrasing) "people don't say the same shit about you for 20 years and the shit ain't true. Whitney Houston has smoked her knee caps off and we're still saying it ain't true."
Honestly, from what I have heard is Oscar fucked so many women he couldn't even remember what girls he fucked. The thing about Statutory rape is it is a STRICT liability crime, meaning if it occurred you are guilty. If you fuck a girl who is not of legally consenting age which varies from state to state, you are fucked, period, end of story. I am sure he probably tapped a few youngins and treated them badly. I am glad we have those laws on the books, but damn if it isn't hard to tell on occassion. My ex-girlfriend had a sister who looked like Hillary Duff and she had a double D rack when she was 15. I used to see 30-35 year old guys hitting on her when we were all out. I even told one dude, really nicely, look she is 15 and she turned 15 two weeks ago. He laughed but when he saw my expression he just turned a little flushed and left.

[Free Ike]

Even though he hasn't looked good. On paper he still owns all of those advantages over PBF. This is what I think. I think that the media/odds makers are making PBF the favorite so that if DLH beats PBF it will perhaps make this victory bigger than what it is. When on paper DLH is supposed to win. I'll Holla 5000
I am just stating the facts. I wasn't arguing it. I think the fight will be close.

[bigdawg]

I am just stating the facts. I wasn't arguing it. I think the fight will be close.

I'm only stating the facts as well. I'll Holla 5000

[Rubio MHS]

floyd's status as the favorite, imo, has more to do with his being vastly over-rated than with the perception of ODH.Riiiiiiiiight, and Oscar not having a major win in half a decade is a coincidence, right? :lol:

[TKO]

Riiiiiiiiight, and Oscar not having a major win in half a decade is a coincidence, right? :lol:

....and frauds last major win was when..?

[Rubio MHS]

Um, his last fight? Baldomir was the undisputed World Welterweight Champion. Baldomir and Judah are 10 times as good as Mayorga and .... who was the other guy??????

[TKO]

Um, his last fight? Baldomir was the undisputed World Welterweight Champion. Baldomir and Judah are 10 times as good as Mayorga and .... who was the other guy??????

Yeah baldomir a major win, :rolleyes: you must have been in the crowd that night cheering him on After that fantastic performance.

[LATIN KING]

how can people say Floyd will dominate Oscar and than turn around and not give Oscar for beaing Floyd? Floyd is suposed to win. Put aside the weight because I doubt Floyd will acually weight 154. he will be lighter specially come fight night.

Everyone knows Floyd is PFP the best around and Oscar is past his prime. You have to really hate Oscar and go out of your way not to credit him if he beats Floyd.

[Ron King 702]

First of all, the odds are posted according to how books thinkthe line will draw the most 2-way action, not necessarily who is better or will win. They expect all the small bets to be on Oscar and all of the large bets on Floyd.
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[steve_dave]

Floyd is the favourite because he's a better fighter than Oscar De La Hoya in 2007. Forget domination... if Oscar wins legit, he gets HUGE credit.

[Tam Tam]

...yeah, as much as you can get by beating the best fighter in the world, 24 pounds over his best weight.

[KaukipRrr]

Um, his last fight? Baldomir was the undisputed World Welterweight Champion. Baldomir and Judah are 10 times as good as Mayorga and .... who was the other guy??????

:lol: :lol: ,...Please,........... when it came to Baldomir, we were all prospecting over which top fighter he'd cash out against, however when it comes to Margarito for example, we are thinking down the line about future matchups, that's the difference in sentiments between a solid formidable fighter, and an incompetant obscure scrub as it were.

[salaco]

...yeah, as much as you can get by beating the best fighter in the world, 24 pounds over his best weight.

Pretty much...
I think whoever wins, you have a big asterisk beside that victory - It's not exactlymeaningless but given that we don't know really how past prime Oscar is, where he fits in the present 154Ib division, and given Floyd's unimpressive stay at 140 and his one significant victory at 147, the whole inevitability in the last 2-3 yrs about this match-up arises solely from the commercial imperative - otherwise its a bit of a mess

lol at bigdawg trying to build this up into a david vs. goliath II, like slystaff he's gonna build up De La Hoya and his fearsome left hook into a cross between SRR with Julian Jackson's power so that Mayweather's victory will be all that much more impressive...:rolleyes:

[KaukipRrr]

...yeah, as much as you can get by beating the best fighter in the world, 24 pounds over his best weight.

:nono: Uh uh uh uh uh Tam please,..he outgrew 130, and was apparently weight drained for his fight with Hernandez, and in recent times he's said "I can't make 135 anymore, and I ain't killin' myself to do it" in a boxingtalk chat as I recall, and yet we all know he's a gym-rat who looks after himself and prepares meticulously, so I'd say 14 lbs over his best weight is more realistic :nono: .

[mexican wedding shirt]

Rubio, you only know numbers, you have no sense. Mayorga would beat Baldomir. No doubt about it.

[Double L]

Rubio, you only know numbers, you have no sense. Mayorga would beat Baldomir. No doubt about it.

not to mention Mayorga would KO Judah too, and that Baldomir already DID beat Judah.

and that neither Judah nor Baldomir have more than one meaningful win at 147.

[Double L]

i saw fear in PBF's eyes. he's done.

[REEDsART]

i saw fear in PBF's eyes. he's done.:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

[Double L]

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

i'm not joking REED. i just hope for your sake you didn't lay any money on Floyd, because his O will go.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Double, what are you talking about exactly? Where did you see fear in his eyes?

And by the way reed, whether this is true or not, your over the top 3 rolling around laughing smilies means your nervous for this fight. You get nervous for your favourite fighters. :lol:

In all seriousness REED, I know you're picking Floyd, but objectively, what chance are you giving Oscar?

If this fight is NOT fixed, the chance I give floyd is to pot shot all night and simply outrun and outmanoeuvre oscar. Unless he is constantly moving, I think oscar takes him out.

[slystaff]

i saw fear in PBF's eyes. he's done.

Maybe. But fear can be healthy if used properly. I saw a little fear in PBF's eyes in some pre-Gatti and pre-Corrales interviews as well, believe it or not.

Nigel Benn was fearful of both Barkley and McClellan, and look what happened to them. It means that Floyd isn't taking Oscar lightly...which is great.

IMO...Oscar seems a little too confident. Let's see how he handles it when things aren't as simple as he expects...

[slystaff]

Double, what are you talking about exactly? Where did you see fear in his eyes?

And by the way reed, whether this is true or not, your over the top 3 rolling around laughing smilies means your nervous for this fight. You get nervous for your favourite fighters. :lol:

In all seriousness REED, I know you're picking Floyd, but objectively, what chance are you giving Oscar?

If this fight is NOT fixed, the chance I give floyd is to pot shot all night and simply outrun and outmanoeuvre oscar. Unless he is constantly moving, I think oscar takes him out.

I don't know about REED, but I'm a huge mayweather fan as well (as is well documented) and I'm as nervous as hell!

This is definitely no gimme fight for Floyd.

[Double L]

Double, what are you talking about exactly? Where did you see fear in his eyes?

And by the way reed, whether this is true or not, your over the top 3 rolling around laughing smilies means your nervous for this fight. You get nervous for your favourite fighters. :lol:

In all seriousness REED, I know you're picking Floyd, but objectively, what chance are you giving Oscar?

If this fight is NOT fixed, the chance I give floyd is to pot shot all night and simply outrun and outmanoeuvre oscar. Unless he is constantly moving, I think oscar takes him out.

i'm talking specifically about talk with Brian Kenney. in large part, he shed his facade during the interview. and as a result, it was apparent in his voice and in his eyes that he has doubts and fears. and i don't blame him. he's never faced anyone remotely as formidable as ODH. Castillo is a damn good fighter but not nearly as quick as ODH and not as big either. i found it funny considering he said ODH was already beaten mentally. if anyone's defeated mentally imo it's PBF.

[dsimon3387]

I don't know about REED, but I'm a huge mayweather fan as well (as is well documented) and I'm as nervous as hell!

This is definitely no gimme fight for Floyd.

dsimon writes:

Sly the truth is that Floyd has, perhaps in an effort to promote the fight, written a big cash with his ass. He probably is settling down to the reality of what has to actually happen now.

Oscar did spook Mayorga. It was pathetic. I had picked Mayorga but knew at the press conference that Mayorga was going to get spanked.

I think that guys like Mayorga and Floyd have a lot to live up to because of being brash. It is one extra burden for Floyd to carry. I still think he is good enough to get by Oscar for the first five rounds which is what he needs to do.

[Der Tiger]

dsimon writes:

Sly the truth is that Floyd has, perhaps in an effort to promote the fight, written a big cash with his ass. He probably is settling down to the reality of what has to actually happen now.

Oscar did spook Mayorga. It was pathetic. I had picked Mayorga but knew at the press conference that Mayorga was going to get spanked.

I think that guys like Mayorga and Floyd have a lot to live up to because of being brash. It is one extra burden for Floyd to carry. I still think he is good enough to get by Oscar for the first five rounds which is what he needs to do.

I don't think Mayorga was 'spooked' by Oscar..Mayorga was more spooked by the confusion around him being screwed financially, not in the best of shape or having the right preparation for a fight of that magnitude, out of his ideal weight, and he also was probably a bit spooked that most everyone thought he was being fed to the meatgrinder...which, in fact, turned out to be true

[slystaff]

dsimon writes:

Sly the truth is that Floyd has, perhaps in an effort to promote the fight, written a big cash with his ass. He probably is settling down to the reality of what has to actually happen now.

Oscar did spook Mayorga. It was pathetic. I had picked Mayorga but knew at the press conference that Mayorga was going to get spanked.

I think that guys like Mayorga and Floyd have a lot to live up to because of being brash. It is one extra burden for Floyd to carry. I still think he is good enough to get by Oscar for the first five rounds which is what he needs to do.

If Floyd makes it to the 6th round, he wins. Floyd trash talks everyone and always backs it up in the ring. Honestly...he seemed a little nervous in some of the interviews prior to the Gatti fight...but in the end it didn't make the slightest bit of difference.

I'm not worried about Floyd's temperament, and the effect it may or may not have...I'm merely concerned with the task at had:

Beating the tall, fast, bigger, rangier and more experienced De La Hoya.

I would hate this to be the Hopkins/Tito of 2007, where the naturally larger and more experienced fighter beats the favoured smaller fighter moving up.

[Erratic]

I think Floyd is nervous....maybe a little fear too. It doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad thing, it's just how fighters handle it.

I think a lot of fighters are way more nervous before a big fight than they let off.

[Fighter]

How much help in the form of SUPPORT and I don't mean just from a sparring standpoint, but friendship and partnership, will come from Hopkins and Mosley?

Do they deserve any CREDIT in a possible Oscar victory?

[LATIN KING]

I honestly didnt' see fear in either one of these guys. I think Floyd knows it's time to focus and get ready. He can't spent the whole time trash talking and acting like a clowns. He knows what he has to do.

I am sure tomorrow night at the weigh in we will see the cocky Floyd again getting on Oscar's face.:laughing:

If Floyd has any chance of freezing because of the size of the event it might happen at the beginning of the fight with God knows how many people cheering for Oscar, the national anthems. All that shit!

I really don't think it will happen I think Floyd has been hoping to be part of something this big. But if it did happen it would show early in the beginning of the fight but he would eventually shake it off.

[KaukipRrr]

I honestly didnt' see fear in either one of these guys. I think Floyd knows it's time to focus and get ready. He can't spent the whole time trash talking and acting like a clowns. He knows what he has to do.

I am sure tomorrow night at the weigh in we will see the cocky Floyd again getting on Oscar's face.:laughing:

If Floyd has any chance of freezing because of the size of the event it might happen at the beginning of the fight with God knows how many people cheering for Oscar, the national anthems. All that shit!

I really don't think it will happen I think Floyd has been hoping to be part of something this big. But if it did happen it would show early in the beginning of the fight but he would eventually shake it off.

That's why he's scared Latinking,..that's why he does nothing but talk and swivel his head around, if he kept still and maintained his focus on the subject of his fear, his face would be like a smoothe bedsheet being gently crinkled, the nerves would rise to the surface on a face that isn't being wriggled around like a racket-drum. :nono: Don't be a fool to think the way he wants you to, Thomas...with this 'In yo face' facade.

[dsimon3387]

I don't think Mayorga was 'spooked' by Oscar..Mayorga was more spooked by the confusion around him being screwed financially, not in the best of shape or having the right preparation for a fight of that magnitude, out of his ideal weight, and he also was probably a bit spooked that most everyone thought he was being fed to the meatgrinder...which, in fact, turned out to be true

dsimon writes:

makes sense. he was spooked and knowing crow pie was on the menu before the fight started was painful.

[Orthodox Crusader]

So What U're Saying is,STATUTORY RAPE is "HONORABLE",but Because REED is a Fan of Floyd,he just DOESN'T Get it???...


REED:dunno:


Statutory Rape......means you had sex with a girl who consented but was too young.

Thats hardly the greatest fucking sin on earth.

Is he consented, wasn't hurt, enjoyed it, isn't upset, would do it again etc....then what the fuck?

Since when did the upstanding black man like you give a fuck about White mans law?

Mann Act, anyone????

[Der Tiger]

Statutory Rape......means you had sex with a girl who consented but was too young.

Thats hardly the greatest fucking sin on earth.

Is he consented, wasn't hurt, enjoyed it, isn't upset, would do it again etc....then what the fuck?

Since when did the upstanding black man like you give a fuck about White mans law?

Mann Act, anyone????

Dear God, if its isn't double L saying that he'd rather have a dude rape his daughter rather than beat her and now sex with a minor is trivialised...there are some sick pups on this board I reckon :doh:

[Double L]

Dear God, if its isn't double L saying that he'd rather have a dude rape his daughter rather than beat her and now sex with a minor is trivialised...there are some sick pups on this board I reckon :doh:

i didn't say that tiger dick. what i said was, "I'd rather have my daughter be the victim of statutory rape than be beaten." You left the part out about statutory, probably because if you hadn't, you wouldn't have had a point to make. Most people, when they don't have a point to make, don't attempt to make one. You, for some reason, didn't let that stop you. and consequently, we're faced with the above distortion.

how is that not a reasonable statement? which would you rather your daughter be subject to? keeping in mind that statutory rape implies consent on the part of the victim, even if she's not old enough to know what she's doing?

[Hanzy]

Maybe. But fear can be healthy if used properly. I saw a little fear in PBF's eyes in some pre-Gatti and pre-Corrales interviews as well, believe it or not.

Nigel Benn was fearful of both Barkley and McClellan, and look what happened to them. It means that Floyd isn't taking Oscar lightly...which is great.

IMO...Oscar seems a little too confident. Let's see how he handles it when things aren't as simple as he expects...

:rolleyes: Is that why Oscar has been training his ass off harder than ever before, staff? He obviously sees Floyd as a worthy challenger. Just because he's not acting scared sh*tless in front of cameras doesn't mean he expects things to be simple. He's the underdog afterall.:lol:

[Der Tiger]

i didn't say that tiger dick. what i said was, "I'd rather have my daughter be the victim of statutory rape than be beaten." You left the part out about statutory, probably because if you hadn't, you wouldn't have had a point to make. Most people, when they don't have a point to make, don't attempt to make one. You, for some reason, didn't let that stop you. and consequently, we're faced with the above distortion.

how is that not a reasonable statement? which would you rather your daughter be subject to? keeping in mind that statutory rape implies consent on the part of the victim, even if she's not old enough to know what she's doing?

Statutory rape does not imply consent jackass. If you implied it, thats a different matter. I still think its a fucked up statement, regardless, and that consequently you're a bit of a twisted fucko (sorry mods). Just an opinion :dunno:

[slystaff]

:rolleyes: Is that why Oscar has been training his ass off harder than ever before, staff? He obviously sees Floyd as a worthy challenger. Just because he's not acting scared sh*tless in front of cameras doesn't mean he expects things to be simple. He's the underdog afterall.:lol:

He's not the underdog in his mind though, Kamaldeep, which is my point. He figures Floyd to be a smaller fighter with no power in an alien division and expects to beat him up. Also, Oscar always says he's training his ass off...no fighter comes into a big fight saying that they are in bad shape.

In any event, this is all irrelevant, I'm sure that Oscar is expecting Floyd to be a worthy challenge and as such I'm sure he's prepared...but he may be surprised, as most will be, when Floyd actually manages to hurt him and stand up to his punches. :cool:

[Hanzy]

He's not the underdog in his mind though, Kamaldeep, which is my point. He figures Floyd to be a smaller fighter with no power in an alien division and expects to beat him up. Also, Oscar always says he's training his ass off...no fighter comes into a big fight saying that they are in bad shape.

In any event, this is all irrelevant, I'm sure that Oscar is expecting Floyd to be a worthy challenge and as such I'm sure he's prepared...but he may be surprised, as most will be, when Floyd actually manages to hurt him and stand up to his punches. :cool:

I guess we'll see about that, Tyrique.:lol:

[Double L]

Statutory rape does not imply consent jackass. If you implied it, thats a different matter. I still think its a fucked up statement, regardless, and that consequently you're a bit of a twisted fucko (sorry mods). Just an opinion :dunno:

how so? are you saying you'd rather your daughter be beaten than statutorily raped? and when i say it implies consent, the point i'm making is that it's not a violent act. it's not a violent crime. and it's not. if it were, it would simply be called, "rape." not statutory rape. i think you're having trouble making that distinction. note that i'm not excusing or trivialising statutory rape. it's an evil act. the point i'm making is that between it and assault, it is the lesser crime.

the fact that you'd apparently rather see your daughter beaten than statutorily raped makes YOU the sicko in my mind.

[slystaff]

I guess we'll see about that, Tyrique.:lol:

Indeed, Sukvinder...we shall see. :cool:

[slystaff]

how so? are you saying you'd rather your daughter be beaten than statutorily raped? and when i say it implies consent, the point i'm making is that it's not a violent act. it's not a violent crime. and it's not. if it were, it would simply be called, "rape." not statutory rape. i think you're having trouble making that distinction. note that i'm not excusing or trivialising statutory rape. it's an evil act. the point i'm making is that between it and assault, it is the lesser crime.

the fact that you'd apparently rather see your daughter beaten than statutorily raped makes YOU the sicko in my mind.

Honestly....I don't see the point of this little discussion between you and Salaco. But I will say...yes, Statutory rape suggests that the woman (girl) consented. Of course...one can argue that a younger person cannot consent to sex...but we all know that if it was non-consentual sex it would be just called RAPE...period.

[dsimon3387]

I guess we'll see about that, Tyrique.:lol:

dsimon writes:

Sly is a rice and pea not a collard green with a ham hock in it!!:lol: :lol:

[Father of Muzse]

Statutory rape does not imply consent jackass. If you implied it, thats a different matter. I still think its a fucked up statement, regardless, and that consequently you're a bit of a twisted fucko (sorry mods). Just an opinion :dunno:

I agree...statutory rape doesn't imply intent.

The whole point of statutory rape means the individual isn't old enough TO consent. Meaning, if the individual wanted to have sex, it means nada.

[StingerKarl]

Oscar has been over the hill for at least the past several years, IMO.
If you want to lose money, bet on Oscar to win.

[Father of Muzse]

Oscar has been over the hill for at least the past several years, IMO.
If you want to lose money, bet on Oscar to win.

I'm disappointed Karl...

You know the correct phrase is...

"If you wanna lose your money, be a fool and bet on Sonny!"

:old:

[Der Tiger]

how so? are you saying you'd rather your daughter be beaten than statutorily raped? and when i say it implies consent, the point i'm making is that it's not a violent act. it's not a violent crime. and it's not. if it were, it would simply be called, "rape." not statutory rape. i think you're having trouble making that distinction. note that i'm not excusing or trivialising statutory rape. it's an evil act. the point i'm making is that between it and assault, it is the lesser crime.

the fact that you'd apparently rather see your daughter beaten than statutorily raped makes YOU the sicko in my mind.

I hope you never end up in the courts over these matters matlock, you've mad a number of rather naive statements, which are easily interpreted in the worst possible fashion as I have done here. May would argue that statutory rape is very much a violent crime insofar that it still relies on coercion of a different and arguably not lesser sort. Anyway, the reason I would suggest you should be tagged and put on some kind of register is that you, in an attempt to trivialise stautory rape, you try to minimise it by contrasting it with grievous bodily harm (as Floyd has allegedly committed) as if it somehow makes it less disgusting. I find it kind of staggering, but hey..:cool:

[Double L]

I hope you never end up in the courts over these matters matlock, you've mad a number of rather naive statements, which are easily interpreted in the worst possible fashion as I have done here. May would argue that statutory rape is very much a violent crime insofar that it still relies on coercion of a different and arguably not lesser sort. Anyway, the reason I would suggest you should be tagged and put on some kind of register is that you, in an attempt to trivialise stautory rape, you try to minimise it by contrasting it with grievous bodily harm (as Floyd has allegedly committed) as if it somehow makes it less disgusting. I find it kind of staggering, but hey..:cool:

you're apparently so concerned with demonstrating your moral superiority by telling me what a scum-bag i am, that you've over-looked completely the point i was trying to make.

i've said nothing to try to diminish the seriousness of statutory rape. and i think it is a serious crime. and nothing i've said (despite your efforts to imply otherwise) suggest that i have.

in three responses to my posts, you've not once addressed the point i did made. instead, you've addressed things i didn't say. i'm starting to doubt your reading comprehension.

[Der Tiger]

you're apparently so concerned with demonstrating your moral superiority by telling me what a scum-bag i am, that you've over-looked completely the point i was trying to make.

.

No...in a nutshell, that's primarily why I posted in the first place. Everything else was relevant but incidental. Glad to see your comprehension skills are reasonably intact, scumbag. :cool:

[Double L]

so you're "not" interested in what i actually wrote. oh, okay.

[Der Tiger]

so you're "not" interested in what i actually wrote. oh, okay.

You made a comment yesterday which was morally repulsive IMO, that is the only context in which I referred to your idiotic self. Otherwise, you're right, I have zero interest in what you have to say.

Back to topic, its hard to conceive of Oscar dominating Floyd, he would earn props if only for defying probability and the history of his boxing career to date

[Double L]

You made a comment yesterday which was morally repulsive IMO, that is the only context in which I referred to your idiotic self. Otherwise, you're right, I have zero interest in what you have to say.

Back to topic, its hard to conceive of Oscar dominating Floyd, he would earn props if only for defying probability and the history of his boxing career to date

that's just it. how in the hell was it morally repulsive? all i did was make a comparison between two heinous crimes, and form an opinion as to which one is worse. imo, assault is a worse crime than statutory rape.

see. there is where i'm pretty damn sure you're having a hard time comprehending what i've written. judging from your responses, you'd think i was promoting statutory rape. or that i condone it. but i'm not and i didn't. all i did was make the claim that assault is worse.

[Free Ike]

that's just it. how in the hell was it morally repulsive? all i did was make a comparison between two heinous crimes, and form an opinion as to which one is worse. imo, assault is a worse crime than statutory rape.

see. there is where i'm pretty damn sure you're having a hard time comprehending what i've written. judging from your responses, you'd think i was promoting statutory rape. or that i condone it. but i'm not and i didn't. all i did was make the claim that assault is worse.
I think it depends on the facts of each case. Sometimes, statutory rape is a senior in high school fucking a freshman in high school. I think if we are going to get judgmental, you'd find many of us who actually fucked girls in high school would have been charged. Legally, it is a strict liability crime. There is no explaination or defense, except in Alaska I think. Beating a women is almost never justified.

To be fair, I would love to hear an argument that Floyd is a better person than Oscar. That is ridiculous. Oscar is a flawed man and certainly not what he tries to portray as his image, but Floyd is trash. I have always appreciated his skills, but he is trash, his whole family is trash. BTW, I am tired of the Hip Hop apologist saying Floyd wasn't convicted. HE WAS!! He just didn't serve time. Furthermore, I doubt Oscar raped these girls forcibily. I think they wanted to fuck him and he he stupidly did it. It is a crime. Still, I was an 18 year old highschool senior and I'd be a fucking liar if I said I didn't want to bone some freshman girls who were 14 when I was there. Obviously, now the thought is sickening to me because I am old. An 18 year old guy wanting to fuck a 14 year old girl is understandable to me and not a criminal act, imo although it is legally.

[Double L]

I think it depends on the facts of each case. Sometimes, statutory rape is a senior in high school fucking a freshman in high school. I think if we are going to get judgmental, you'd find many of us who actually fucked girls in high school would have been charged. Legally, it is a strict liability crime. There is no explaination or defense, except in Alaska I think. Beating a women is almost never justified.

To be fair, I would love to hear an argument that Floyd is a better person than Oscar. That is ridiculous. Oscar is a flawed man and certainly not what he tries to portray as his image, but Floyd is trash. I have always appreciated his skills, but he is trash, his whole family is trash. BTW, I am tired of the Hip Hop apologist saying Floyd wasn't convicted. HE WAS!! He just didn't serve time. Furthermore, I doubt Oscar raped these girls forcibily. I think they wanted to fuck him and he he stupidly did it. It is a crime. Still, I was an 18 year old highschool senior and I'd be a fucking liar if I said I didn't want to bone some freshman girls who were 14 when I was there. Obviously, now the thought is sickening to me because I am old. An 18 year old guy wanting to fuck a 14 year old girl is understandable to me and not a criminal act, imo although it is legally.

agreed. not to mention a situation in which a girl lies about her age.

i agree though. it depends on the case. potentially, it can be a serious crime with the victim suffering considerably, as in the case when some old sicko decides that he will start dating a 14 year old.

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

ODH will never get credit. Even though so many on here have sworn that PBF will win, even some suggesting he will dominate ODH, if ODH should win, he'll get no credit, and the win will be discredited a thousand times over again. 4 years later, people will talk about it like it's a loss, the way they do the Whitaker and Quartey fights.
There's more people picking DLH in this forum, DLH is the favorite here.

I will give credit to DLH if he dominates Mayweather, it will be the first time he dominates a very good fighter but I won't be on his nuts like a lot here, DLH is popular and very good and fought everyone but fact is, he barely has wins over the best he fought. I'm picking DLH because he's a lot bigger, stronger and IMO Floyd has no bussiness at all at 154 but I'm not expecting him to dominate so, a KO would go a long way for him.

[Erratic]

ODH will never get credit. Even though so many on here have sworn that PBF will win, even some suggesting he will dominate ODH, if ODH should win, he'll get no credit, and the win will be discredited a thousand times over again. 4 years later, people will talk about it like it's a loss, the way they do the Whitaker and Quartey fights.


That's because people scored those fights for Whitaker and Quartey.

If Oscar wins clearly, people won't say that. They may bring up the weight, but won't say he lost.

[Double L]

That's because people scored those fights for Whitaker and Quartey.

If Oscar wins clearly, people won't say that. They may bring up the weight, but won't say he lost.

but even the fights he clearly won he gets no credit for. Chavez was over the hill. Ruelas "sucked." G. Hernandez he beat at 135. Vargas was shot. La la la.

[Erratic]

but even the fights he clearly won he gets no credit for. Chavez was over the hill. Ruelas "sucked." G. Hernandez he beat at 135. Vargas was shot. La la la.

He does get credit for it, for the most part.

Only the most picky detractors don't give him credit for it. They're good wins.

Just because he doesn't get as much credit for beating Vargas as Tito does, or he would have if he'd beaten Hernandez at 130 or if Chavez was younger, it doesn't mean he's not given credit for it.

And going by the way you talk, why should Oscar be given credit if he beats Floyd? You've said for the longest time that Floyd did nothing of note above 135 and is extremely overrated. So why should a guy who's been a jr. middle since 2001 be given so much credit if he just beats an overrated guy who never did anything above 135?

[Rubio MHS]

When I was 18, I wasn't terribly into 14-year-olds. Things have changed now. :stir:

[mexican wedding shirt]

Look at the weigh in shots, Oscar does not look "a lot" bigger than Floyd. A bit bigger yes, but not hugely so.

It's only about the difference between Duran and Leonard, and that didn't stop Roberto.

If Oscar defeats Floyd decisively, he deserves a lot of credit. Floyd is not tiny. He's filled out since his lightweight days.

There is about a 2 inch difference in height, and to be honest floyd looks just as bulky and muscled.

[REEDsART]

but even the fights he clearly won he gets no credit for. Chavez was over the hill. Ruelas "sucked." G. Hernandez he beat at 135. Vargas was shot. La la la.U're FULL of Shit,Dog...

YOU PERSONALLY Play that SAME EXACT Game w/the Resumes of Fighters U DISlike...

So DON'T Get Bent Out of Shape when Somebody Does it to DeLa:rolleyes: ...

Like REED has Said a MILLION Times,ANY Fighters Resume can B DISSECTED & Made to Look WORSE than it is...



REED:cool:

[whiskey]

Like REED has Said a MILLION Times,ANY Fighters Resume can B DISSECTED & Made to Look WORSE than it is...

REED:cool:

I don't know man, it would pretty hard to take apart Calzaghe's resume.

[Rubio MHS]

I don't know man, it would pretty hard to take apart Calzaghe's resume.Yeah, because it looks like shit to start with.

[LOK]

what will this mean?? And its not out of the question-who has Floyd ever fough that is a s BIG, strong, and as skilled as Oscar? NEVER.

Remember when he stepped up to 135, Castillo gave him all he could handle, and Oscar is 10X the fighter that Castillo is.


LOL

[Ron King 702]

one judge had oscar winnig and it was a close fight all the way, sodont rewrite history...

[winner by choke]

hahaha you still play poker online ron?

[Neil]

one judge had oscar winnig and it was a close fight all the way, sodont rewrite history...

one judge was about as bright as some halfwit who's 'career' is playing poker and then tricks off winnings at breakneck speed.