How Much Irrepairable Damage Is Done To Floyds Legacy By Not Beating ODLH??

[Orthodox Crusader]

Is it fair to say that Floyd, following the Baldomir debacle and now this....will forever be relegated to the status of poor-mans Ray Leonard, with fighter such as ODLH, Mosley, Trinidad etc assuming a greater significance in the pantheon of sporting greats??

[Dollar-Fifty78]

Is it fair to say that Floyd, following the Baldomir debacle and now this....will forever be relegated to the status of poor-mans Ray Leonard, with fighter such as ODLH, Mosley, Trinidad etc assuming a greater significance in the pantheon of sporting greats??
:popcorn: Yup

[Fighter]

And the SAD part of it is, he'll RUN into retirement because this version of Floyd is STOPPED by either MOSLEY or MARGARITO. Adn he won't be missed. Good riddance.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

And the SAD part of it is, he'll RUN into retirement because this version of Floyd is STOPPED by either MOSLEY or MARGARITO.A Freitas fan dissing Floyd. Now Floyd is retired maybee he can donate his heart to PooPoo.

[Orthodox Crusader]

A Freitas fan dissing Floyd. Now Floyd is retired maybee he can donate his heart to PooPoo.

Shut the fuck up and answer the question.....are kids now going to look at this Floyd dude as a punk bitch runner or not? Will kids recognise Tito, ODLH, Quartey, Winky and even Vargas and Mozley as real fighters who fought real fights and not as some bitch artist who was awarded bogus decisions and then ran into retirement???

[Dollar-Fifty78]

Shut the fuck up and answer the question.....are kids now going to look at this Floyd dude as a punk bitch runner or not? Will kids recognise Tito, ODLH, Quartey, Winky and even Vargas and Mozley as real fighters who fought real fights and not as some bitch artist who was awarded bogus decisions and then ran into retirement???yup

[Orthodox Crusader]

yup


Well that settles it.

Bumdomir, Judah and the loss to Oscar.:doh:

Quartey gave prime Oscar a much better fight.

Old ass Pernell did too.

You know what? Floyd is 0.24% of what Jones was, and maybe, oh, 0.01% of what Pryor was.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Shut the fuck up and answer the question.....are kids now going to look at this Floyd dude as a punk bitch runner or not? Will kids recognise Tito, ODLH, Quartey, Winky and even Vargas and Mozley as real fighters who fought real fights and not as some bitch artist who was awarded bogus decisions and then ran into retirement???Whats the point in answering a retarded question that everybody already knows the answer too.

[Mitchell Kane]

Mayweather has a ways to go to match his career up with the likes of Whitaker, Jones Jr. and Hopkins, IMO.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Whats the point in answering a retarded question that everybody already knows the answer too.

The Stamp Of Officialdom.

It suffices not that Justice is Done.

Justice Must also BE SEEN TO BE DONE

[REEDsART]

Not Sure what the Irish Broadcast Looked Like,but Floyd CLEARLY Won the Fight...

Was it a VINTAGE Floyd Performamce,NO!!!:nono: ...Nonetheless,Floyd CLEARLY WON the Fight...


REED:cool:

ps. How Much Damage was Done to Vitali Klit for Being STOPPED by a HOMOSEXUAL,after QUITTING vs a CRUSIERWEIGHT???:dunno: ...

[Fighter]

Merchant: "He (Floyd) is JUST starting..."

Mayweather: "I'm done ."

[REEDsART]

A Freitas fan dissing Floyd. Now Floyd is retired maybee he can donate his heart to PooPoo.:lol:

[Dollar-Fifty78]

Well that settles it.

Bumdomir, Judah and the loss to Oscar.:doh:

Quartey gave prime Oscar a much better fight.

Old ass Pernell did too.

You know what? Floyd is 0.24% of what Jones was, and maybe, oh, 0.01% of what Pryor was.
yup:popcorn:

[Orthodox Crusader]

Not Sure what the Irish Broadcast Looked Like,but Floyd CLEARLY Won the Fight...

Was it a VINTAGE Floyd Performamce,NO!!!:nono: ...Nonetheless,Floyd CLEARLY WON the Fight...


REED:cool:

ps. How Much Damage was Done to Vitali Klit for Being STOPPED by a HOMOSEXUAL,after QUITTING vs a CRUSIERWEIGHT???:dunno: ...

Klitschko took risks. The only risk Floyd ever took in his life was that time he hopped up on yo sista with no jimmy cap on.

Flyd fucked up. He couldn't even beat an aged semi-retired dude.

And you know what. Thats OK.

But not when you are pfp #1.

Floyds pfp credentials have to take a hit after this.

[Mitchell Kane]

Not Sure what the Irish Broadcast Looked Like,but Floyd CLEARLY Won the Fight...

Was it a VINTAGE Floyd Performamce,NO!!!:nono: ...Nonetheless,Floyd CLEARLY WON the Fight...


REED:cool:

ps. How Much Damage was Done to Vitali Klit for Being STOPPED by a HOMOSEXUAL,after QUITTING vs a CRUSIERWEIGHT???:dunno: ...

You've demonstrated more homosexuality on this board that Lennox Lewis has in his public life.

[REEDsART]

Mayweather has a ways to go to match his career up with the likes of Whitaker, Jones Jr. and Hopkins, IMO.U're an ADMITTED Jones HATER...

So APPARENTLY,U're ALSO a FLOYD Hater...

REED:cool:

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Klitschko took risks. The only risk Floyd ever took in his life was that time he hopped up on yo sista with no jimmy cap on.

Flyd fucked up. He couldn't even beat an aged semi-retired dude.

And you know what. Thats OK.

But not when you are pfp #1.

Floyds pfp credentials have to take a hit after this.
Actually Floyd beat a 6 weight world champ with a huge size disadvantage. If anybody else did that they would get respect. Floyd does it and it is nothing but hate and criticism.

[Mitchell Kane]

U're an ADMITTED Jones HATER...

So APPARENTLY,U're ALSO a FLOYD Hater...

REED:cool:

I know you'd like to equate the two, but I said before the fight I wanted Floyd to win (check the poll) and I had Mayweather winning the fight clearly...though not dominantly, or impressively...and certainly not in a virtuoso performance.

Keep trying.

[Orthodox Crusader]

You've demonstrated more homosexuality on this board that Lennox Lewis has in his public life.


I always wondered how Reed knew Lewis was a Homo.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Actually Floyd beat a 6 weight world champ with a huge size disadvantage. If anybody else did that they would get respect. Floyd does it and it is nothing but hate and criticism.


He was 4 pounds lighter.

He was 1.5 inches to 2 inches shorter.

This isn't Henry Armstrong vs Ceferino Garcia territory.

You know what? It isn't even Ray Leonard vs Hearns territory.

And Floyd lost.

Floyd fucked up.

[Tam Tam]

Floyd was VERY average in there today, but he won the fight clear as day. If you scored if for Oscar, drop you pen, pick up a knife and do everyone else a favor and find that vein.

[valdosta]

THis is a very confusing thread.

[bigdawg]

People's true colors really come thru. PBF won fair and square. Actually made the fight look easier than what it was. Took the shots from the bigger more experienced guy and didn't even blink. Staggered the bigger stronger guy. Also outlanded the bigger stronger guy and he can't get any respect. All I know is that if anyone thinks that Marg has a chance of beating PBF they need to get off the meth. PBF is a 5 divison champ and he will go done as one of the greatest fighters in our era. Case closed. I'll Holla 5000

[REEDsART]

You've demonstrated more homosexuality on this board that Lennox Lewis has in his public life.Yeah,SURE!!!:rolleyes: ...

REED's Wife is LEGITIMATE & NOT of the "Trophy",Sit N the Back,Say NATHAN Variety,as Lennox's is...REED JUST Saw Lennox Lewis Last Thursday IN PERSON & the Idea of him Being GAY Is NOT Far Fetched @ all...

If YOU Disagree w/REED's Thoughts,EAT A DICK,Motherfucker....N the FIGURATIVE Sense,NOT Literal...

REED:flip:

[Rubio MHS]

Scoring that fight for De la Hoya is like cutting yourself.

[jaws1216]

Floyd was VERY average in there today, but he won the fight clear as day. If you scored if for Oscar, drop you pen, pick up a knife and do everyone else a favor and find that vein.

ANOTHER person who actually watched the fight

[Tam Tam]

Scoring that fight for De la Hoya is like cutting yourself.
Not enough like it if people are still on here complaining.

[Xplosive]

Is it fair to say that Floyd, following the Baldomir debacle and now this....will forever be relegated to the status of poor-mans Ray Leonard, with fighter such as ODLH, Mosley, Trinidad etc assuming a greater significance in the pantheon of sporting greats??

Ray Leonard he is not, but hate to break it to you, but Floyd will go down in history as being greater than DLH, and Mosley, and rightful so. And lets not even bring up the Rican zombie, who couldnt carry Floyd's spit bucket!

It must make some of you guys SOOOOO mad that guys like Floyd, Roy, and B-Hop will go down in history as superior to your Golden boys Oscar, and Cheato.

[Dollar-Fifty78]

Ray Leonard he is not, but hate to break it to you, but Floyd will go down in history as being greater than DLH, and Mosley, and rightful so. And lets not even bring up the Rican zombie, who couldnt carry Floyd's spit bucket!

It must make some of you guys SOOOOO mad that guys like Floyd, Roy, and B-Hop will go down in history as superior to your Golden boys Oscar, and Cheato.
You are fucking nutz:lol: Prime for prime Oscar shits all over Mayweather worse than he did tonight.

[Xplosive]

You are fucking nutz:lol: Prime for prime Oscar shits all over Mayweather worse than he did tonight.

The hell would have DLH done in his prime different than he did tonight? He fought Floyd tonight the same way he fought Mosley 7 years ago in his PRIME.

He still would have tired and gotten pot shotted in his prime, because his stamina has ALWAYS been ass.

[Dollar-Fifty78]

The hell would have DLH done in his prime different than he did tonight? He fought Floyd tonight the same way he fought Mosley 7 years ago in his PRIME.

He still would have tired and gotten pot shotted in his prime, because his stamina has ALWAYS been ass.He won the fight tonight so he really wouldn't have to do anything different in his prime.:lol:

[Xplosive]

He won the fight tonight so he really wouldn't have to do anything different in his prime.:lol:

Unless the 3 judges were Millie, Joel De La Hoya, and Petre, the results would not have changed.

[Dollar-Fifty78]

Unless the 3 judges were Millie, Joel De La Hoya, and Petre, the results would not have changed.If two of the three judges could see it would.

[REEDsART]

Floyd was VERY average in there today, but he won the fight clear as day. If you scored if for Oscar, drop you pen, pick up a knife and do everyone else a favor and find that vein.:bears: Yep,Floyd WAS Average...REED was Faaaaaaaaaaar from IMPRESSED by Floyd's Performance,even N WINNING the Fight...


U'll NEVER EVER See REED Referencing Floyd's CLEAR-CUT Win Over DeLa as 1 of his BEST Performances:nono: ....

"However",Anybody that Suggests that Floyd LOST is a HATER of the HIGHEST Order...


REED:cool:

[slystaff]

:bears: Yep,Floyd WAS Average...REED was Faaaaaaaaaaar from IMPRESSED by Floyd's Performance,even N WINNING the Fight...


U'll NEVER EVER See REED Referencing Floyd's CLEAR-CUT Win Over DeLa as 1 of his BEST Performances:nono: ....

"However",Anybody that Suggests that Floyd LOST is a HATER of the HIGHEST Order...


REED:cool:


Yep, Floyd was off tonight. personally I think he had a hurt right shoulder going in:

1. He didn't throw the right hand for the first 3 rounds
2. They kept rubbing that shoulder between rounds
3. Floyd kept doing arm jestures during the fight, suggesting that he was trying to loosen it up
4. When he eventually started using it, he was slinging right hands and not throwing them straight through the target the way he usually does (exceptfor maybe two times the entire fight)

[Anthony]

Mayweather won that fight CLEARLY. The scorecards were horrible. The people who think DLH won, are the same people that screamed in the crowd everytime DLH hit one of the hairs on Floyd's head. They bought into who was the villain and who was the hero. They wanted PBF to lose because he was the Bad Guy.

On a side note, i have seen more skill in an average MMA fight than i did in that ring tonite. Lampley dont know shit.

[MAXWELL]

For some reason floyds speed in this fight doesnt look that impressive compared to delahoya. atleast delahoya consistently throws combos while floyd is content throwing 1 shot at a time.

Can floyd even throw a flurry in a fight?

[slystaff]

For some reason floyds speed in this fight doesnt look that impressive compared to delahoya. atleast delahoya consistently throws combos while floyd is content throwing 1 shot at a time.

Can floyd even throw a flurry in a fight?

Floyd doesn't flurry. He can throw quick combinations (see Gatti fight)..but he's not a "flurrier" like a De La Hoya or a Ray Reonard. He does have very quick SINGLE shots though..and that's why his accuracy is always so high.

[PetreTG]

Is it fair to say that Floyd, following the Baldomir debacle and now this....will forever be relegated to the status of poor-mans Ray Leonard, with fighter such as ODLH, Mosley, Trinidad etc assuming a greater significance in the pantheon of sporting greats??

I'm still amazed that people are seeing a win for Floyd and I have to wonder when did Boxing become fighting the other guys fight and ducking and dodging for your life while when allowed to throw hitting the other mans gloves and forarms 90% of the time?

Oscar won that fight on Body punching alone and seriously made Floyd look like a hoe getting slapped around when he wasn't flat out running. DLH had many shots to Floyds head that seemed to not get counted ... seems the only shots they counted had to be 100% solid connects.

Compubox was a complete and utter joke.

I'll never understand the animus against DLH that sways people so heavily against him.

[PetreTG]

to those that think Floyd won that fight ... I say it again ... watch the fight without sound (read that all the Floyd nut licking) , Ignore that fraud Ledermans score card ... and you're going to see a totally different fight.

[IHATEJONES]

to those that think Floyd won that fight ... I say it again ... watch the fight without sound (read that all the Floyd nut licking) , Ignore that fraud Ledermans score card ... and you're going to see a totally different fight.

I watched the fight on Sopcast with that Dan Sheridan douchebag, who was swinging on DLH's nuts the whole time, and I think Floyd won.

[Xplosive]

to those that think Floyd won that fight ... I say it again ... watch the fight without sound (read that all the Floyd nut licking) , Ignore that fraud Ledermans score card ... and you're going to see a totally different fight.

This is the funniest part of your entire arguement because it was EXTREMELY apparent everyone on the HBO crew(except for Lederman) had Oscar's dick in thier mouths all night long. ESPECIALLY Manny, who might as well just have walked into the ring and jerked Goldie off.

Which btw leads to my next point, please fire Manny Steward! Honestly, if this guy wasnt a HOF trainer, who the hell would listen to him? He's terrible as a commentator, and extremely fickle and biased.

[PetreTG]

This is the funniest part of your entire arguement because it was EXTREMELY apparent everyone on the HBO crew(except for Lederman) had Oscar's dick in thier mouths all night long. ESPECIALLY Manny, who might as well just have walked into the ring and jerked Goldie off.

Which btw leads to my next point, please fire Manny Steward! Honestly, if this guy wasnt a HOF trainer, who the hell would listen to him? He's terrible as a commentator, and extremely fickle and biased.

That's sure not what I heard.

I was actually surprised at what they were saying most of the time as if they were watching a different fight IMO.

[Fighter]

Manny Steward was the one thinking Oscar would tire and was not commenting on the action at hand, mainly Oscar DICTATING the fight.

[dsimon3387]

That's sure not what I heard.

I was actually surprised at what they were saying most of the time as if they were watching a different fight IMO.

dsimon writes:

You hear what you want Pedro. :lol: You do not let a trivial thing like reality get in the way of your acoustic pleasure:lol:

Mayweather :slap: De La Hoya face it Pedro, check mate.

[Rubio MHS]

Floyd clearly won eight rounds. De la Hoya clearly won no rounds.

[Rock on]

Not Sure what the Irish Broadcast Looked Like,but Floyd CLEARLY Won the Fight...

Was it a VINTAGE Floyd Performamce,NO!!!:nono: ...Nonetheless,Floyd CLEARLY WON the Fight...


REED:cool:

ps. How Much Damage was Done to Vitali Klit for Being STOPPED by a HOMOSEXUAL,after QUITTING vs a CRUSIERWEIGHT???:dunno: ...

Bigotry, bigotry... and u r the first to hypocritically slam racism :rolleyes:

[dsimon3387]

Floyd clearly won eight rounds. De la Hoya clearly won no rounds.

dsimon writes:

Thats a good point. The only round where De La Hoya landed flush was in the tenth and Mayweather also had a good round.

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

Is it fair to say that Floyd, following the Baldomir debacle and now this....
Baldomir debacle and now this?... you idiot, you mean shuting down the Welterweight champ then going up to his 5th weight class and clearly beating a great fighter?

Dislike him all you want for not brawling but respect the man, he did what he had to do.

[TheDude]

Not Sure what the Irish Broadcast Looked Like,but Floyd CLEARLY Won the Fight...

Was it a VINTAGE Floyd Performamce,NO!!!:nono: ...Nonetheless,Floyd CLEARLY WON the Fight...


REED:cool:

ps. How Much Damage was Done to Vitali Klit for Being STOPPED by a HOMOSEXUAL,after QUITTING vs a CRUSIERWEIGHT???:dunno: ...

I didn't think I'd live to see the day I would agree with Reed. This is that day though. Floyd clearly won the fight. I don't know what fight some of you saw.

[Erratic]

Not as much as it does for Hatton to not beat Collazo.

:rolleyes: :lol: at Oscar winning this fight. Please.

[TKO]

As much as it pains me to say it 114-115 is the most realistic score (for PBF)
But you could also argue that Oscar was the aggressor is the majority of the rounds.
Rounds that could have gone either way.

It was a close fight, and the PBF fans should have some humility is this victory and give Oscar the respect he deserves. It is not as if Floyd beat him up for 12 rounds.

[*Z*]

As much as it pains me to say it 114-115 is the most realistic score (for PBF)
But you could also argue that Oscar was the aggressor is the majority of the rounds.
Rounds that could have gone either way.

It was a close fight, and the PBF fans should have some humility is this victory and give Oscar the respect he deserves. It is not as if Floyd beat him up for 12 rounds.

Yeah, I thought it was pretty close and the SD wasn't far off base at all. You can't give a guy very round when he's backing up and throwing half the punches the other guy is throwing. Ring generalship comes into play in scoring too. Who was making the fight? I don't disagree with the decision.

[TKO]

Yeah, I thought it was pretty close and the SD wasn't far off base at all. You can't give a guy very round when he's backing up and throwing half the punches the other guy is throwing. Ring generalship comes into play in scoring too. Who was making the fight? I don't disagree with the decision.

Well to be honest I would have given those close rounds to Dela Hoya and with them the fight, but the judges didn’t see it like that so I aint going to complain to much

Oscar made the point himself, he was the aggressor is almost all the rounds.
You have to convincingly beat the champion. And convincingly win, Floyd didn’t.

Fact of the matter is Floyd won a close fight, I just wish the PBF fans would stop posting as if Dela Hoya got spanked for 12 rounds.

[Nobleart]

to those that think Floyd won that fight ... I say it again ... watch the fight without sound (read that all the Floyd nut licking) , Ignore that fraud Ledermans score card ... and you're going to see a totally different fight.


You're on crack Petre. I'm surprised with the 110" screen you were watching you didn't see Lampley literally climb between the ring aprons and suck off DeLa's left testicle between the 9th and 10th rounds.

It really was quite graphic. :nono:

[mexican wedding shirt]

I just wish the PBF fans would stop posting as if Dela Hoya got spanked for 12 rounds.

Ditto. I think De La Hoya should have won, I don't think floyd did enough to win and "beat the champ". He was fighting scared, fighting not to lose. That was not a performance to be proud of. Mosley beat a better Oscar more convincingly years and years ago.

I wouldn't go so far as to call it a robbery, but whatever way you look at it, that was a close fight. These floyd groupies are acting like this was a calzaghe lacy type beating/schooling.

[Erratic]

Well to be honest I would have given those close rounds to Dela Hoya and with them the fight, but the judges didn’t see it like that so I aint going to complain to much

Oscar made the point himself, he was the aggressor is almost all the rounds.
You have to convincingly beat the champion. And convincingly win, Floyd didn’t.

Fact of the matter is Floyd won a close fight, I just wish the PBF fans would stop posting as if Dela Hoya got spanked for 12 rounds.

That's just a myth that in "boxing tradition", the challenger has to take it from the champ.

Look at numerous fights in history, including some De La Hoya fights (on both sides), plenty of close fights go to the challenger.

There's nothing in the rule book that says "close rounds go to the champion".

[mexican wedding shirt]

The challenger has to fight with some desire, not necessarily just "close rounds go to the champ". I don't believe that at all, I believe the challenger has to show sufficient fire to defeat the champ, not fight not to lose. And that's exactly what floyd did, against the bigger superstar and champion.

[TKO]

That's just a myth that in "boxing tradition", the challenger has to take it from the champ.

Look at numerous fights in history, including some De La Hoya fights (on both sides), plenty of close fights go to the challenger.

There's nothing in the rule book that says "close rounds go to the champion".

Could you imagine any welter weight fighter taking Floyds title in a fight that close, some how I don’t think so.

[Erratic]

The challenger has to fight with some desire, not necessarily just "close rounds go to the champ". I don't believe that at all, I believe the challenger has to show sufficient fire to defeat the champ, not fight not to lose. And that's exactly what floyd did, against the bigger superstar and champion.

You just have to win the rounds the best way you can. Whether it be using movement or coming inside and firing or whatever.

You judge it on clean punching, ring generalship, defense, and effective aggression, not "desire".

[toomuchsol]

That's just a myth that in "boxing tradition", the challenger has to take it from the champ.

Look at numerous fights in history, including some De La Hoya fights (on both sides), plenty of close fights go to the challenger.

There's nothing in the rule book that says "close rounds go to the champion".

No shit. That has to be the most retarded saying in all of boxing.

[Erratic]

Could you imagine any welter weight fighter taking Floyds title in a fight that close, some how I don’t think so.

Who knows?

The point is, the myth about the challenger having to "take the title from the champ and showing desire" and all that is just that, a myth.

Judges are trained to score on 4 categories, and not told to give the close rounds to the champ.

[TKO]

The challenger has to fight with some desire, not necessarily just "close rounds go to the champ". I don't believe that at all, I believe the challenger has to show sufficient fire to defeat the champ, not fight not to lose. And that's exactly what floyd did, against the bigger superstar and champion.

I agree, ill give Floyd the credit for stepping up to fight the “superstar”, this is the first Floyd fight I have seen live, but from what I have read and going by the posts on this site people make Floyd out to be this boxing genius I just don’t see it.
He is a quality fighter buts there are still guys out there to fight for him.

[TKO]

Who knows?

The point is, the myth about the challenger having to "take the title from the champ and showing desire" and all that is just that, a myth.

Judges are trained to score on 4 categories, and not told to give the close rounds to the champ.

Was Dela Hoya not the aggressor, was he not the guy going forward the entire fight?

[Erratic]

Was Dela Hoya not the aggressor, was he not the guy going forward the entire fight?

Was he really effective?

That's why he lost the fight. He wasn't landing enough.

I dunno why you're arguing this with me, didn't you say Mayweather won?

I said Mayweather won a competitive fight. I never said it was a whitewash.

Frankly, I thought Mayweather's performance was underwhelming. It was a terrific defensive effort, but his offense was mediocre.

[TKO]

Was he really effective?

That's why he lost the fight. He wasn't landing enough.

I dunno why you're arguing this with me, didn't you say Mayweather won?

I said Mayweather won a competitive fight. I never said it was a whitewash.

Frankly, I thought Mayweather's performance was underwhelming. It was a terrific defensive effort, but his offense was mediocre.

Hey man Im not arguing with you, just getting my point of view out there,
It was close fight but if Oscar did what Floyd did we all would have fallen asleep after 3 rounds.

[The Cuban Hawk]

Actually Floyd beat a 6 weight world champ with a huge size disadvantage. If anybody else did that they would get respect.

NOT if the "6 weight champ" has lost 2 out of his last 3 fights (to Sturm and Hopkins) and is considered on the verge of used up, as Oscar was coming in.

The fact is, out of all the top tier welters and jr. middles he could have chosen for a big fight on Saturday (ie: Mosley, Margarito, etc.), he chose the one whose style and circumstances were the most made for him, and yet the best he could do was stink his way to a close decision. On top of that, Hoya was the first truly big fight he's had since the Castillo fights years ago, and he looked just as much a stinker in those fights too, even in the one fight (yes, ONE) that he actually won. If Floyd retires now, that's what he's going to leave as his legacy. It may not be a bad legacy, but it isn't exactly a great one either.

[KaukipRrr]

:cheer: I had no idea there would be so many Fraud haters in here?, :bears: this is quite a pleasant change, it's a much better atmosphere post-fight than I thought it would be.
:nono: My biggest gripe with him, above all, is that fucking illegal 'turning and ducking' tactic masked as "defensive brilliance" in scribes and on messageboards. "Shoulder roll defences" are illegal,..they should be shut down immediately because they're unfair without the equal legalisation of kidney and spine shots, Fraud even turns his fucking head to protect his chin now,.:rolleyes: for christ sakes... "defensive brilliance"...I'm not even gunna mention his elbows, forearms, palming off, the rest of his chronic felonies,..his style is 80% illegal, but "flashy" like an illusion.

[Erratic]

NOT if the "6 weight champ" has lost 2 out of his last 3 fights (to Sturm and Hopkins) and is considered on the verge of used up, as Oscar was coming in.

The fact is, out of all the top tier welters and jr. middles he could have chosen for a big fight on Saturday (ie: Mosley, Margarito, etc.), he chose the one whose style and circumstances were the most made for him, and yet the best he could do was stink his way to a close decision. On top of that, Hoya was the first truly big fight he's had since the Castillo fights years ago, and he looked just as much a stinker in those fights too, even in the one fight (yes, ONE) that he actually won. If Floyd retires now, that's what he's going to leave as his legacy. It may not be a bad legacy, but it isn't exactly a great one either.

I don't know, I always felt Oscar was a tougher matchup stylistically than Mosley. Not quite as fast, but a better jab, better parrying skills, a little more versatile, his combos seem more fluid. I think he's more clever too. There was always the rust and inactivity factor, but De La Hoya surpassed my expectations the other night with how he looked physically.

[*Z*]

:cheer: I had no idea there would be so many Fraud haters in here?, :bears: this is quite a pleasant change, it's a much better atmosphere post-fight than I thought it would be.
:nono: My biggest gripe with him, above all, is that fucking illegal 'turning and ducking' tactic masked as "defensive brilliance" in scribes and on messageboards. "Shoulder roll defences" are illegal,..they should be shut down immediately because they're unfair without the equal legalisation of kidney and spine shots, Fraud even turns his fucking head to protect his chin now,.:rolleyes: for christ sakes... "defensive brilliance"...I'm not even gunna mention his elbows, forearms, palming off, the rest of his chronic felonies,..his style is 80% illegal, but "flashy" like an illusion.

:bears:

[Mitchell Kane]

NOT if the "6 weight champ" has lost 2 out of his last 3 fights (to Sturm and Hopkins) and is considered on the verge of used up, as Oscar was coming in.

The fact is, out of all the top tier welters and jr. middles he could have chosen for a big fight on Saturday (ie: Mosley, Margarito, etc.), he chose the one whose style and circumstances were the most made for him, and yet the best he could do was stink his way to a close decision. On top of that, Hoya was the first truly big fight he's had since the Castillo fights years ago, and he looked just as much a stinker in those fights too, even in the one fight (yes, ONE) that he actually won. If Floyd retires now, that's what he's going to leave as his legacy. It may not be a bad legacy, but it isn't exactly a great one either.

I think one of the worst style match-ups for Mayweather could be Dzinziruk.

[The Cuban Hawk]

The hell would have DLH done in his prime different than he did tonight? He fought Floyd tonight the same way he fought Mosley 7 years ago in his PRIME.

He still would have tired and gotten pot shotted in his prime, because his stamina has ALWAYS been ass.

The Hoya that fought Mosley got tired late in a FAST PACED fight against a pot shotter who could actually PUNCH. And a guy that probably would've beaten Floyd on that night too.

Even if a prime Hoya chose to fight that fight against Floyd (even though he's also capable of mixing in his footwork and boxing skills against that style of fighter, as he showed in the Mosley rematch), he'd still stand a good shot at beating him.

[mexican wedding shirt]

:cheer: I had no idea there would be so many Fraud haters in here?, :bears: this is quite a pleasant change, it's a much better atmosphere post-fight than I thought it would be.
:nono: My biggest gripe with him, above all, is that fucking illegal 'turning and ducking' tactic masked as "defensive brilliance" in scribes and on messageboards. "Shoulder roll defences" are illegal,..they should be shut down immediately because they're unfair without the equal legalisation of kidney and spine shots, Fraud even turns his fucking head to protect his chin now,.:rolleyes: for christ sakes... "defensive brilliance"...I'm not even gunna mention his elbows, forearms, palming off, the rest of his chronic felonies,..his style is 80% illegal, but "flashy" like an illusion.

Well said that man. No doubt floyd has defensive skill and his reactions are excellent, but a lot of his defense is cheap, ducking right down, turning away too much to the point of being illegal etc.

Fighters should just thump his spine and smash him on the back of the head when he does that.

[The Cuban Hawk]

I don't know, I always felt Oscar was a tougher matchup stylistically than Mosley. Not quite as fast, but a better jab, better parrying skills, a little more versatile, his combos seem more fluid. I think he's more clever too. There was always the rust and inactivity factor, but De La Hoya surpassed my expectations the other night with how he looked physically.

I think the handspeed of Mosley would be a very decisive difference, not to mention that Mosley has simply looked better and shown more energy in his last couple of fights than Hoya has. Even when Hoya won against Mayorga, he was reduced to looking like little more than a flatfooted puncher, with none of his old movement and boxing ability. Granted, that's basically just what Mosley is himself, but he's always been much better at fighting that way than Hoya has (which his own two fights with Hoya proved).

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

NOT if the "6 weight champ" has lost 2 out of his last 3 fights (to Sturm and Hopkins) and is considered on the verge of used up, as Oscar was coming in.

The fact is, out of all the top tier welters and jr. middles he could have chosen for a big fight on Saturday (ie: Mosley, Margarito, etc.), he chose the one whose style and circumstances were the most made for him, and yet the best he could do was stink his way to a close decision. On top of that, Hoya was the first truly big fight he's had since the Castillo fights years ago, and he looked just as much a stinker in those fights too, even in the one fight (yes, ONE) that he actually won. If Floyd retires now, that's what he's going to leave as his legacy. It may not be a bad legacy, but it isn't exactly a great one either.
Actually, that's not a fact at all. The fight was first offered to Mosley but he rejected.

Say what you will about DLH now that Floyd beat him, he's still a much better fighter than Margarito and would beat him.

[*Z*]

Actually, that's not a fact at all. The fight was first offered to Mosley but he rejected.

Say what you will about DLH now that Floyd beat him, he's still a much better fighter than Margarito and would beat him.

Gee I wonder why Shane who works for Oscar would turn down the fight. :lol:

[The Cuban Hawk]

Say what you will about DLH now that Floyd beat him, he's still a much better fighter than Margarito and would beat him.

NOT based on anything that's happened in the last 2-3 years, he wouldn't.

[The Cuban Hawk]

...and last time I checked (which was shortly after Mosley beat Collazo), there was a WHOLE THREAD in this forum with people saying that Mosley would be a tougher stylistic matchup for Floyd than Hoya would be.

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

...and last time I checked (which was shortly after Mosley beat Collazo), there was a WHOLE THREAD in this forum with people saying that Mosley would be a tougher stylistic matchup for Floyd than Hoya would be.
Too bad his tooth prevented us from seeing that fight 1st. :rolleyes:

[Erratic]

Gee I wonder why Shane who works for Oscar would turn down the fight. :lol:

I know, that's what I always thought.

I wanted Mosley to just say "I want to fight Floyd but I have to listen to my boss Oscar" instead of talking about vacations and dental appointments.

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

Gee I wonder why Shane who works for Oscar would turn down the fight. :lol:
Or is it the other way? Doesn't Oscar works for Mosley? Shouldn't he get Mosley the big fights? if Mosley is too much of a pussy to go against his promoters decision and is happy to fight former champs that's his fault. Seriously, now some people wanna hate on Floyd because he "chose" to fight DLH and not Mosley. Jeez. :notallthere:

[IMDAZED]

Actually, that's not a fact at all. The fight was first offered to Mosley but he rejected.

Say what you will about DLH now that Floyd beat him, he's still a much better fighter than Margarito and would beat him.

When was this date offered to Shane??

[toomuchsol]

When was this date offered to Shane??

I think that it was for Last November.

[IMDAZED]

I think that it was for Last November.

Ahh yes - and he recommended Floyd fight Margarito.

[*Z*]

Or is it the other way? Doesn't Oscar works for Mosley? Shouldn't he get Mosley the big fights? if Mosley is too much of a pussy to go against his promoters decision and is happy to fight former champs that's his fault. Seriously, now some people wanna hate on Floyd because he "chose" to fight DLH and not Mosley. Jeez. :notallthere:

Nobody is hating Floyd for not fighting Mosley. I'm just pointing out why he didn't take the fight. As if it wasn't obvious.

[Black Market Baby]

I've been thinking about this a lot the last two days. Floyd won, no doubt about it, but the way he won isn't pleasing to a lot of people. Here is my grand unification theory...

Floyd and Roy are alike in the fake that they minimize the risk they have to take. Roy on occassion did it by fighting guys with no hope of touching him. Floyd on the other hand fights a style of fighting which minimizes the risk he has to take in the ring, no matter who his opponent is. I don't know why I interject that here, maybe I just didn't want my drivel to litter the board elsewhere.

[slystaff]

I've been thinking about this a lot the last two days. Floyd won, no doubt about it, but the way he won isn't pleasing to a lot of people. Here is my grand unification theory...

Floyd and Roy are alike in the fake that they minimize the risk they have to take. Roy on occassion did it by fighting guys with no hope of touching him. Floyd on the other hand fights a style of fighting which minimizes the risk he has to take in the ring, no matter who his opponent is. I don't know why I interject that here, maybe I just didn't want my drivel to litter the board elsewhere.

EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER WHO EVER LIVED...would try to minimize the risks they take in the ring if only they had the skills of a Roy or Floyd to do it.

Who would deliberately get their brains bashed in...if they had the skill to avoid the punches?

[Double L]

EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER WHO EVER LIVED...would try to minimize the risks they take in the ring if only they had the skills of a Roy or Floyd to do it.

Who would deliberately get their brains bashed in...if they had the skill to avoid the punches?

Mel Taylor for one. And it's a case against deliberately getting your brains bashed in.

[Erratic]

EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER WHO EVER LIVED...would try to minimize the risks they take in the ring if only they had the skills of a Roy or Floyd to do it.

Who would deliberately get their brains bashed in...if they had the skill to avoid the punches?

There's been a lot of guys who had boxing skills but too much of a brawling temperment once they got tagged hard.

Mayweather is smart and fights to the best of his advantage, even if it may not make for a more action-filled, crowd-pleasing bout.

[Tyler Durden]

Actually Floyd beat a 6 weight world champ with a huge size disadvantage. If anybody else did that they would get respect. Floyd does it and it is nothing but hate and criticism.

HUGE size advantage? :nono:

[Quick Draw McGraw]

I watched the fight and I thought Neither fighter did enough to win the fight.

De La Hoya at least tryed to mix it up with Mayweather. While Mayweather stood there and laughed half of the time.

Weak if you ask me.

ODLH was the agressor and he tried to trade and exchange punches with him.

I truly believe Mayweather did the smart thing by staying away from Oscars flurries of punches. That tactic won with the judges, and he went on to win the fight that way.

MAYWEATHER WON THE FIGHT USING THE DEFENSIVE MODE TACTIC.

FROM MOST BOXING FANS PERSPECTIVE, AND ESPECIALLY TO ME, THAT IS JUST WEAK, IF YOU ASK ME.

I WANTED TO SEE AT LEAST MAYWEATHER TAKE THE FIGHT TO HIM, AND PROVE TO THE BOXING FANS AND THE WORLD THAT HE WAS A MORE DOMINANT FIGHTER THAN OSCAR.

AND HE DIDN'T....................

NOW HE TAKE HIS LITTLE FLAWLESS RECORD AND RETIRE.

[Rubio MHS]

:slap:
I watched the fight and I thought Neither fighter did enough to win the fight.

De La Hoya at least tryed to mix it up with Mayweather. While Mayweather stood there and laughed half of the time.

Weak if you ask me.

ODLH was the agressor and he tried to trade and exchange punches with him.

I truly believe Mayweather did the smart thing by staying away from Oscars flurries of punches. That tactic won with the judges, and he went on to win the fight that way.

MAYWEATHER WON THE FIGHT USING THE DEFENSIVE MODE TACTIC.

FROM MOST BOXING FANS PERSPECTIVE, AND ESPECIALLY TO ME, THAT IS JUST WEAK, IF YOU ASK ME.

I WANTED TO SEE AT LEAST MAYWEATHER TAKE THE FIGHT TO HIM, AND PROVE TO THE BOXING FANS AND THE WORLD THAT HE WAS A MORE DOMINANT FIGHTER THAN OSCAR.

AND HE DIDN'T....................

NOW HE TAKE HIS LITTLE FLAWLESS RECORD AND RETIRE.In general, I believe that people who type in all caps are idiots. Thank you for proving this conjecture.

[Quick Draw McGraw]

So what, I typed in caps half way through my post.

Why do you give a FUCK, ANYWAY????

[Rubio MHS]

So what, I typed in caps half way through my post.

Why do you give a FUCK, ANYWAY????I don't really care; pointing out idiots is simply a hobby of mine.

To the posters of Fightbeat: Welcome your new idiot, Quick Draw McGraw!

[Quick Draw McGraw]

OK, you're the bad-ass around here. You're the Cool Guy, My Bad. :lol:

You must be fucking really bored looking around to see who types in all caps, like you said.


Besides, if you didn't care, why the hell do even point out small shit for???

AND YOU SAID, I'M THE IDIOT. :nono:

GO TO BED LITTLE ONE.....

[Quick Draw McGraw]

I don't really care; pointing out idiots is simply a hobby of mine.

To the posters of Fightbeat: Welcome your new idiot, Quick Draw McGraw!



You didn't even have to introduce me, I've been on this site for years

As a matter of fact, since.......Join Date: 02-19-2003.

Now just let me introduce your idiotic lil ass to the Fightbeat Posters..

WHO'S THE IDIOT NOW.........??????

[Rubio MHS]

You were an idiot when you joined, and you're an idiot now.

[Quick Draw McGraw]

Hey rubio, here's a tip: Somebody in another forum is typing in all caps, go tell him something......:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Rubio MHS]

Hey rubio, here's a tip: Somebody in another forum is typing in all caps, go tell him something......:lol: :lol: :lol:It wasn't the all-caps that pointed you out to me as an idiot; it was what you wrong. You simply don't understand the sport.

[Quick Draw McGraw]

it was what you wrong.....


What the hell are you trying to say or spell???????:lol:

[Quick Draw McGraw]

Dude. First, I thought the decision for Mayweather was weak.

Now, that I thought about it, YOU'RE WEAK.......


I'm done with you fool......C-YA......