The "Unlike the other retards, I actually watched the fight and saw Floyd win clearly

[jaws1216]

bandwagon.

[ILLUMINATI]

I had Mayweather winning...7-5...but that shit was no massacre..:nono:

[MassaCure]

I had Mayweather winning...7-5...but that shit was no massacre..:nono:

no, but he clearly won, did anyone ever say it would be?

[jaws1216]

no, but he clearly won

sold

[MassaCure]

ahh man mayweather didnt knock out this 6 time world champ, hes no good, he didnt totally dominate and win every round, i dont think hes p4p number one anymore boys

what kind or ignorant ass ridiculous logic is this
?

[Xplosive]

Put me on at once! 8-4 clear as day for Floyd!

[Tam Tam]

no, but he clearly won, did anyone ever say it would be?
Yes. Floyd.

[MassaCure]

Yes. Floyd.

come on man, its hype for the fight, do u really think they dislike each other? how can u dislike a man whos about to make u think kinda money?

[Roll With The Punches]

he clearly won


he could have won rounds by outlanding DLH by more than 3 punches though

[jaws1216]

cmon did anyone else watch the fight?

[bigdawg]

I had PBF winning 8-4 as well. I'll Holla 5000

[REEDsART]

agREED...

Was Floyd IMPRESSIVE??...

NO:nono:

Did Floyd WIN the Fight CLEARLY???...

ABSOLUTELY...


REED:cool:

ps. WIN today,Look "Impressive" the Next Time....

[jaws1216]

agREED...

Was Floyd IMPRESSIVE??...

NO:nono:

Did Floyd WIN the Fight CLEARLY???...

ABSOLUTELY...


REED:cool:

ps. WIN today,Look "Impressive" the Next Time....

I think beating DLH more clearly than anyone else (besides the Hopkins farce) as the smaller guy, will advantages in DLH's corner is impressive.

How was he unimpressive in making DLH look like a limited amateur.

Great performance by Floyd, who right this moment is the best fighter of his generation

[Tam Tam]

I think beating DLH more clearly than anyone else (besides the Hopkins farce) as the smaller guy, will advantages in DLH's corner is impressive.

How was he unimpressive in making DLH look like a limited amateur.

Great performance by Floyd, who right this moment is the best fighter of his generation
Mosley beat Oscar better than this, IMO.

And I disagree on Floyd's standing in this generation, but thats a reeeeally subjective argument for another thread.

[Jake]

Add me please.

[Xplosive]

Guess everything isnt "fine and dandy" in the DLH world right now.:lol:

[REEDsART]

I think beating DLH more clearly than anyone else (besides the Hopkins farce) as the smaller guy, will advantages in DLH's corner is impressive.

How was he unimpressive in making DLH look like a limited amateur.

Great performance by Floyd, who right this moment is the best fighter of his generationFloyd Fired SOME Lead Rights (Clearly,Floyd was HOPING to Use his Pull Counter Over DeLa's Left Jab,but DeLa RARELY Used It),but he SEVERELY Underutilized his OWN Lead Left Hook...

Floyd Most Definitely COULD have been MUCH More Offensive, but he RESPECTED his BIGGER,STRONGER,HARDER Punching Opponent,Arguably Toooooooo Much...

Yet & Still,he CLEARLY Won the Fight...

REED:cool:

[jaws1216]

Floyd Fired SOME Lead Rights (Clearly,Floyd was HOPING to Use his Pull Counter Over DeLa's Left Jab,but DeLa RARELY Used It),but he SEVERELY Underutilized his OWN Lead Left Hook...

Floyd Most Definitely COULD have been MUCH More Offensive, but he RESPECTED his BIGGER,STRONGER,HARDER Punching Opponent,Arguably Toooooooo Much...

Yet & Still,he CLEARLY Won the Fight...

REED:cool:

he tried to use that lead hook in the first few rounds and it was being blocked for the most part. He found success by working off his own jab and landing lead rights later in the fight.

Floyd fought perfectly. He didn't open himself up to getting caught with a bomb, he fought controlled and took over in the late rounds. He respected DLH beause he was fighting Oscar fucking De La Hoya. If he got out of line he knew what could happen.

Instead of losing he controlled every aspect of the fight for 12 rounds. it was a great performance

[Anthony]

Mayweather won clearly.

[MassaCure]

Floyd Fired SOME Lead Rights (Clearly,Floyd was HOPING to Use his Pull Counter Over DeLa's Left Jab,but DeLa RARELY Used It),but he SEVERELY Underutilized his OWN Lead Left Hook...

Floyd Most Definitely COULD have been MUCH More Offensive, but he RESPECTED his BIGGER,STRONGER,HARDER Punching Opponent,Arguably Toooooooo Much...

Yet & Still,he CLEARLY Won the Fight...

REED:cool:

floyd was winning the fight, floyd isnt one to press the issue and go after you if he knows hes already winning the fight, if oscar wanted more output, he had to bring the fight to floyd and fight him in the middle of the ring, im not talking about holding people in the corner and smacking them on the side of their ass or trying to rally and steal rounds at the end, oscar wasnt willing to open up and get hit to score, he wanted to try to steal the fight by beating on floyds side and acting like he wanted to fight, because he knew if he tried to box with him hes gonna get schooled, he did what he had to do to make the fight as close as he could, but it didnt work

[The Genius]

Floyd won. I couldn't make a case for a DLH win. 7-5.

[Matchup_Analyzer]

I saw Mayweather beat DLH soundly

[The Ripper]

Mayweather took it 8-4 on my card

[ghoster]

I had Floyd by two points. I could see some arguements here though as both fighters missed alot. I did think Oscar won every round he used the jab. Unfortunately he did it only five rounds out of twelve.

I think Max is a joke though, "Floyd completely dominated Oscar Tonight"????

"There a alot of MMA fighters with equal skill levels to Mayweather and De La Hoya." ALOT? Two of the best boxers in the sport

I cringe when I think this HBO signed this joker to a contract!(Tell me it isn't so)

[Ron King 702]

I had Floyd by two points. I could see some arguements here though as both fighters missed alot. I did think Oscar won every round he used the jab. Unfortunately he did it only five rounds out of twelve.

I think Max is a joke though, "Floyd completely dominated Oscar Tonight"????

"There a alot of MMA fighters with equal skill levels to Mayweather and De La Hoya." ALOT? Two of the best boxers in the sport

I cringe when I think this HBO signed this joker to a contract!(Tell me it isn't so)
It was a draw 6-6

[ghoster]

Like I said I could see it going the other way too, Oscar was the agressor, landed more jabs and body shots, and we know the judges don't score body shots(neither do punch stats). I myself did have Mayweather winning a close one.

[ElTerriblee]

How can boxing ever become free of controversy, when people who work boxing messageboards professionally cannot score a fight. Seriously if you think Oscar won six or seven rounds, you shouldn´t bother trying again. Nobody is good at everything. :nono: :nono:

[Buddy Rydell]

bandwagon.

For a moderator, you're behaving like a child with this type of start. Perhaps you shouldn't be one. :lol:

[Father of Muzse]

Floyd Fired SOME Lead Rights (Clearly,Floyd was HOPING to Use his Pull Counter Over DeLa's Left Jab,but DeLa RARELY Used It),but he SEVERELY Underutilized his OWN Lead Left Hook...

Floyd Most Definitely COULD have been MUCH More Offensive, but he RESPECTED his BIGGER,STRONGER,HARDER Punching Opponent,Arguably Toooooooo Much...

Yet & Still,he CLEARLY Won the Fight...

REED:cool:

It was interesting how both negated the other's lefthook.

I had Floyd winning 116-112, "however" I watched it in a room full of Mayweather fans, who cheered at every punch Floyd threw (which in itself is interesting because that's how fights usually go for Oscar).

With that said, Oscar blocked a TON of shots by Floyd. Floyd landed clean shots down the stretch, but Oscar's jab (when he threw it) was a hard, shotgun-type jamming jab which knocked Floyd off his pivot damn near everytime he threw it. Oscar's jab moved Floyd like Sturm's jab moved him.

There were rounds I gave to Floyd in the middle which could have easily gone to Oscar.

I actually left with a higher respect for Oscar because he looked more like his old self (high guard, parrying shots) than I've seen in the last several years.

Lastly, Floyd knew not to throw that lead right hand, the few times he did, Oscar stuffed a hard jab in his face which made him leery or throwing it.

I thought some of the clean shots Floyd landed later were slaps more than anything. You could clearly see him opening his gloves when he threw those shots...mainly the roundhouse right hands.

Floyd pretty much did enough to win. if Oscar would have stayed on his jab, he would have easily won the fight. Either way it goes, it was an unsatisfactory fight for me. Floyd never hurt Oscar, but I thought he (Floyd) got rocked a few times. Neither guy took an ass kicking or really got robbed. I can see a case being made for Oscar, but it's not a strong one. I could see a draw at best for Oscar.

I could make a case for a draw, but I left with the feeling that Floyd won, though it wasn't a cakewalk and Floyd wasn't impressive in winning the fight.

Getting back to what I said earlier about Oscar blocking a ton of Floyd's shots, that's as impressive as Floyd making Oscar miss over the top. The problem (for Oscar) is that it's not as showy as wildly missing over the top. The guys and women in the room watching the fight pretty much fell in love with the missed shots, but couldn't manage to see the parried shots...

(note: can we make a law that if a woman only watches boxing once or twice every five years, her ass should be in the kitchen baking cookies and not drinking beer with the fellas. There was this one bitch who yelled for Floyd the whole night and called him "Weather" because she didn't know is friggin' name. To make matters worse, her ass was passed out BEFORE Floyd talked to Merchant. :flip: )

Back to what I was saying...Oscar blocked shots, Floyd slipped shots. Both are equally impressive defensive skills to me. It's as though Oscar's usual flurries worked against him and the best part of his defensive game wasn't given enough credit.

One cat raved about how Floyd's jab was "killing" Oscar through the first couple rounds until I pointed out that when Floyd jabs and Oscar's gloves move, that means Oscar BLOCKED the punch. This fool considered that a landed/scoring shot. :doh:

[Father of Muzse]

I think beating DLH more clearly than anyone else (besides the Hopkins farce) as the smaller guy, will advantages in DLH's corner is impressive.

How was he unimpressive in making DLH look like a limited amateur.

Great performance by Floyd, who right this moment is the best fighter of his generation

What fight did you watch?

[Mean Mr Mustard]

I had it De la Hoya 5-3 with one round even going into Rd10, on workrate and aggression.
Rds 10-12, I gave to Mayweather easy. Even in my half-drunk, semi-sleep state I had it:
Mayweather 115 De la Hoya 114

No questions from me - even though I felt Mayweather should've pressed the action more cos when he did, he had De la Hoya in trouble (i.e. Rd5) - why didnt he go more offensive? :dunno:

Anyway, I wouldnt wanna see these two fight again - I'd like to see Mayweather - Mosley or maybe even Mayweather - Cotto?

[puerto rock]

8-4 score for Mayweather. Clear win. Oscar had some moments but there was really nothing of consequence he landed.

[PetreTG]

The only thing Floyd won was the war against Oscar's gloves.

This is ridiculous.

And he did NOTHING to justify taking Oscar's belt.

:shit:

[puerto rock]

Come on, Petre. I know that there are alot of fights where arguments can be made but there is none here. The decision for Floyd was deserved.

The judge who had it for Oscar is an imposter. IMO, he definitely needs to be checked out because that was a blatante attempt to rob Mayweather.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

I never had the feeling of 'fucking robbery again', like I have done in many other fights - even though I was rooting for De la Hoya and predicted him to win late, I still see Mayweather winning last night's fight.

[adamiw]

7-4-1 even to Mayweather.....i really wanted to give this fight too Oscar but the odd flurry here and there in the later rounds weren't enough. As the fight went on Floyd found the target more and more (DLH's defence was pretty tight in the 1st half) and DLH's punches were finding their target less and less...and the volume wasn't high enough to make up for it.

Watched the fight on SKY where Jim Watt gave it to Floyd by 1 and i struggled to see how he could be any more generous to DLH

[slystaff]

I thought Mayweather clearly won. I scored it 7-5, but 8-4 is not unreasonable.

"However" (Copywright Father of Muzse, 2007)

I can understand scoring it for De La Hoya...and I don't see the "split" decision as a controversy.

A few rounds were close and difficult to score (round 3 for example)

[Der Tiger]

What fight did you watch?

For real...I mostly agree with Musze's take, Mayweather landed very little cleanly up until the last third of the fight...However, to me, it was oscar's stamina again which let him down, from 8-9 onwards he got a little ragged, his D wasn't as tight as earlier and his flurries got wider, he showed less and less offensively...

Mayweather did enough, but he looked a bit one-dimensionally in there at times against the bigger opponent, I would be confident he would not enjoy the ame success against other 154IBers...as for whoever said he could beat anyone at 175 downwards, lay off the crack, seriously...

[boxingnotboxers]

DLH was posing for minutes at a time and letting Floyd potshot while PBF let DLH flurry and snap his head back with a jab. That's what this fight came down to. Anyone else see something different, REGARDLESS of how you scored it?

[slystaff]

DLH was posing for minutes at a time and letting Floyd potshot while PBF let DLH flurry and snap his head back with a jab. That's what this fight came down to. Anyone else see something different, REGARDLESS of how you scored it?

Your sig is hilarious!! :laughing:

[Father of Muzse]

I had to laugh at Steven A. Smith (who I hate) when he got into it with Brian Kenny over the score of the fight.

Brian Kenny had it even, while Smith went on about how clearly Floyd won and yet he scored it for Floyd 6-4-2.

Kenny pointed out that Smith's card could have very well ended up a draw if those two rounds went to Oscar, but Smith acted as though Kenny was completely offbase.

:lol:

I'm SOOOO glad his show got canned. :bears:

[Xplosive]

I had to laugh at Steven A. Smith (who I hate) when he got into it with Brian Kenny over the score of the fight.

Brian Kenny had it even, while Smith went on about how clearly Floyd won and yet he scored it for Floyd 6-4-2.

Kenny pointed out that Smith's card could have very well ended up a draw if those two rounds went to Oscar, but Smith acted as though Kenny was completely offbase.

:lol:

I'm SOOOO glad his show got canned. :bears:

Why do they even have him up there? Stephen A. doesnt know jack shit about the sport of boxing!

[StingerKarl]

I scored 9 rounds to 3 for Mayweather.

[dsimon3387]

bandwagon.

dsimon writes:

Put me down

[steve_dave]

Floyd won clearly and this fight will not be considered controversial next week.

[who?]

It was interesting how both negated the other's lefthook.

I had Floyd winning 116-112, "however" I watched it in a room full of Mayweather fans, who cheered at every punch Floyd threw (which in itself is interesting because that's how fights usually go for Oscar).

With that said, Oscar blocked a TON of shots by Floyd. Floyd landed clean shots down the stretch, but Oscar's jab (when he threw it) was a hard, shotgun-type jamming jab which knocked Floyd off his pivot damn near everytime he threw it. Oscar's jab moved Floyd like Sturm's jab moved him.

There were rounds I gave to Floyd in the middle which could have easily gone to Oscar.

I actually left with a higher respect for Oscar because he looked more like his old self (high guard, parrying shots) than I've seen in the last several years.

Lastly, Floyd knew not to throw that lead right hand, the few times he did, Oscar stuffed a hard jab in his face which made him leery or throwing it.

I thought some of the clean shots Floyd landed later were slaps more than anything. You could clearly see him opening his gloves when he threw those shots...mainly the roundhouse right hands.

Floyd pretty much did enough to win. if Oscar would have stayed on his jab, he would have easily won the fight. Either way it goes, it was an unsatisfactory fight for me. Floyd never hurt Oscar, but I thought he (Floyd) got rocked a few times. Neither guy took an ass kicking or really got robbed. I can see a case being made for Oscar, but it's not a strong one. I could see a draw at best for Oscar.

I could make a case for a draw, but I left with the feeling that Floyd won, though it wasn't a cakewalk and Floyd wasn't impressive in winning the fight.

Getting back to what I said earlier about Oscar blocking a ton of Floyd's shots, that's as impressive as Floyd making Oscar miss over the top. The problem (for Oscar) is that it's not as showy as wildly missing over the top. The guys and women in the room watching the fight pretty much fell in love with the missed shots, but couldn't manage to see the parried shots...

(note: can we make a law that if a woman only watches boxing once or twice every five years, her ass should be in the kitchen baking cookies and not drinking beer with the fellas. There was this one bitch who yelled for Floyd the whole night and called him "Weather" because she didn't know is friggin' name. To make matters worse, her ass was passed out BEFORE Floyd talked to Merchant. :flip: )

Back to what I was saying...Oscar blocked shots, Floyd slipped shots. Both are equally impressive defensive skills to me in love with. It's as though Oscar's usual flurries worked against him and the best part of his defensive game wasn't given enough credit.

One cat raved about how Floyd's jab was "killing" Oscar through the first couple rounds until I pointed out that when Floyd jabs and Oscar's gloves move, that means Oscar BLOCKED the punch. This fool considered that a landed/scoring shot. :doh:

this is without doubt the best and most honest post i've read on this whole fight.

the biggest problem i have is that while it can be argued that either guy won, floyd didn't deserve anything for his pure lack of aggression, he's so scared to get hit, at least dlh was pushing forward, thats not to say that he won the fight though.

incidentally, jim watt, on british coverage had it by one round to floyd and i think thats about right. the guy knows how to score fights.

[ElTerriblee]

Floyd won clearly and this fight will not be considered controversial next week.

Did you see Boxrec? They are split on who won the fight, confirming my opinion about british posters being the worst judges in all of boxing.

[dsimon3387]

For a moderator, you're behaving like a child with this type of start. Perhaps you shouldn't be one. :lol:

dsimon writes:

Come on Rydell... we finally get the kid focused, his vitrole put towards a good cause and you want to shut him down? :lol:

[Rubio MHS]

I was in a bar full of Mexicans celebrating Cinco de Mayo, and I thought Mayweather won easily. In fact, the room was rather sedate. People complained about the decision, but they understood what happened.

De la Hoya threw the same fluries he did against Hopkins, except Mayweather blocked most of the punches. Pay attention to the defensive moves he did in that fight; they were brilliant.

[Free Ike]

I am on it. Floyd made Oscar de la Zombie look stupid. I thought it would be an SD for DLH but the judges were on crack. Oscar looked about as Fluid as Joe Louis after a car accident.

[Buddy Rydell]

dsimon writes:

Come on Rydell... we finally get the kid focused, his vitrole put towards a good cause and you want to shut him down? :lol:

Meh, you know me, Dsimes. I banter, yuk about, and put in enough truth to get one to think twice. I thought Floyd would win 10 of 12 going in, but I didn't see it last night. I thought Floyd might have won 7-5, but long stretches of the fight were spent, by him, going backwards. I think the Compubox guy was drunk as well. A few of those rounds could have gone the other way, and that would show DLH winning.

I was positive that Floyd was going to dominate him pillar to post, but it didn't happen. It was a bit aggravating because I think Floyd could have thrown a heck of a lot more and he'd have cemented the deal. That was not topshelf Floyd! Floyd could have thrown three times as much, and I guess it just looks unappealing to watch a guy spend so much time going backwards.

I guess he wanted a low-risk approach, but if he had stayed in the pocket more, he could easily have erased any doubts. Safety-first with pitty-pat punches against a part-time boxer/full-time promoter seems rather effeminate to me.

He talks of being the best ever: a Ray Robinson or an Ali. He didn't show that. Neither of those fighters moved backwards for the majority of their supposed defining bouts.

[Barristan]

9 - 3 Floyd....The smartest fighter of all time. :bears:

[winner by choke]

where i watched it we were pretty much all rooting for de la hoya and nobody thought he won...besides rounds 2,6,7 and maybe 12 i could find possibly one round to give to oscar...NO way oscar won the fight.

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

9-3 Mayweather.

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

I was in a bar full of Mexicans celebrating Cinco de Mayo, and I thought Mayweather won easily. In fact, the room was rather sedate. People complained about the decision, but they understood what happened.

De la Hoya threw the same fluries he did against Hopkins, except Mayweather blocked most of the punches. Pay attention to the defensive moves he did in that fight; they were brilliant.
I saw it at a mexican bar... nobody complained, everyone knew Floyd won.

[toomuchsol]

I saw it at a mexican bar... nobody complained, everyone knew Floyd won.

Yeah, at my party there were like 40 people going for De La Hoya and 4(myself included) going for Mayweather.

Everyone there knew that mayweather won. They were all really quiet in the later rounds because they knew that Floyd had won.

[Rubio MHS]

It's really only the idiots who went on and on about how they knew De la Hoya was going to win that are complaining about the decision. The only people complaining about the scores are the people who are too pig-headed to imagine themselves being wrong, at least the dumbass ones who picked Oscar.

[Matchup_Analyzer]

I had Mayweather schooling DLH 8 rounds to 4

I don't think it could be a draw let alone a split decision win, that judge Kazmarek was a tool :nono:

[Donnybrook]

Count me in.

I've scored it twice...first time I had it 9-3, second was 8-4, both for Mayweather.

The BEST I can see is 7-5 PBF.

I absolutely cannot see DLH winning 7 rounds, period.

The "firmest" argument I've seen from those who think DLH won the fight is..."rounds 2,4,7 & 12 were DLH's, and rounds 3, 6, & 8 COULD have gone his way."

That's not much of an argument to establish how DLH won the fight.

He didn't.

And I think it was pretty clear that Mayweather won the 12th.

Was it an impressive fight? No.

Did PBF beat up DLH and make it a one-sided fight? No.

But I didn't think he would....I DID think that he would win more rounds, however close or competitive they were - one man still wins them.

DLH showed a very good parry defense, moved his hands well when he did move them, and showed an occasional good, stiff jab (which he should have used to more effect...but as per what happened, I didn't think he would). He also did try to go consistently to the body. He put up a good fight.

That being said, PBF also parried masterfully as well as slipping shots...and you have to watch PBF closely because he will use minute head movement to avoid shots and jabs that make it look like he's getting hit....when he's not.

PBF landed the cleaner, more flush shots in the majority of rounds. That's it.

Peace.

[Rubio MHS]

When I rewatched the fight, I simply looked for rounds that you could give to De la Hoya, and only found three.

[Rubio MHS]

Did you see Boxrec? They are split on who won the fight, confirming my opinion about british posters being the worst judges in all of boxing.I usually don't post in Boxrec's Current Scene section, but I had to laugh at this topic:

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62600

[Mitchell Kane]

I usually don't post in Boxrec's General section, but I had to laugh at this topic:

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62600

Ask Teddy Atlas...or Michael Moorer.

[Rubio MHS]

Ask Teddy Atlas...or Michael Moorer.Or, as someone mentioned in the thread, Andrew Golota.

[ElTerriblee]

I watched it again. I didn´t give Oscar enough credit and dismissed his flurries and jabs a bit too harshly, he also blocked more shots early, but after round seven it was Floyd´s fight all the way and he also won the 12th round imho, where Oscar punctuated his career by trying to steal another round in the last ten seconds. I didn´t even find the fight to difficult to score on second attempt. Still no doubt in my mind, who won the fight.

Anyway 116-112 PBF


10-9 Mayweather
9-10 De La Hoya
9-10 De La Hoya
9-10 De La Hoya
10-9 Mayweather
10-9 Mayweather
9-10 De La Hoya
10-9 Mayweather
10-9 Mayweather
10-9 Mayweather
10-9 Mayweather
10-9 Mayweather

[jaws1216]

I watched it again. I didn´t give Oscar enough credit and dismissed his flurries and jabs a bit too harshly, he also blocked more shots early, but after round seven it was Floyd´s fight all the way and he also won the 12th round imho, where Oscar punctuated his career by trying to steal another round in the last ten seconds. I didn´t even find the fight to difficult to score on second attempt. Still no doubt in my mind, who won the fight.

Anyway 116-112 PBF


10-9 Mayweather
9-10 De La Hoya
9-10 De La Hoya
9-10 De La Hoya
10-9 Mayweather
10-9 Mayweather
9-10 De La Hoya
10-9 Mayweather
10-9 Mayweather
10-9 Mayweather
10-9 Mayweather
10-9 Mayweather

agree with this card upon second watch as well, although I gave Floyd round 3

[dsimon3387]

Meh, you know me, Dsimes. I banter, yuk about, and put in enough truth to get one to think twice. I thought Floyd would win 10 of 12 going in, but I didn't see it last night. I thought Floyd might have won 7-5, but long stretches of the fight were spent, by him, going backwards. I think the Compubox guy was drunk as well. A few of those rounds could have gone the other way, and that would show DLH winning.

I was positive that Floyd was going to dominate him pillar to post, but it didn't happen. It was a bit aggravating because I think Floyd could have thrown a heck of a lot more and he'd have cemented the deal. That was not topshelf Floyd! Floyd could have thrown three times as much, and I guess it just looks unappealing to watch a guy spend so much time going backwards.

I guess he wanted a low-risk approach, but if he had stayed in the pocket more, he could easily have erased any doubts. Safety-first with pitty-pat punches against a part-time boxer/full-time promoter seems rather effeminate to me.

He talks of being the best ever: a Ray Robinson or an Ali. He didn't show that. Neither of those fighters moved backwards for the majority of their supposed defining bouts.

dsimon writes:

I want to comment on some interesting things I have noticed about Floyd and how it relates to your post. His actual handspeed is good, not great. His chin is underrated and his power is abysmal. His technical ability is what does the job for him. He is a natural in this respect, the culmination of Roger's slick patina and a whole lot of of good coaching.

My point is that Floyd does not have the natural physical ability of Robinson or Ali. He doesn't, from what I have seen, have an overdrive gear like Jones did; a mode where Jones could simply overpower with pure speed. Unlike Jones Floyd has to hang in there and catch the guy off the shoulder roll with a counter punch.

So what you saw last night is IMO what Mayweather can do. Which is to throw accurate, untelegraphed punches sporadically and to counter to death any guy, like De La Hoya, who wants to loop punches. I don't thin Floyd has the natural physical ability to dominate a guy like Oscar... frankly that is why I love to watch him fight. I find it absurd that Floyd does not even use a jab to keep guys off of him, his footwork is that good. :lol:

Compubox is garbage, I hear you loud and clear. But I just don't think Floyd has the physical ability people think he does. If he tried to fight like Jones... much less Ali or RR he would get smoked because his style doesn't allow for a a jab to keep the guy off and because he is accurate but just does not have power. Besides Oscar fought well.

Floyd does not appeal to guys like you and Mex who probably prefer the Duran's and Hearns of the world. I can understand this. My favorite fighter was slappsy maxi rosenbloom (just kidding but he was a riot). But if you think the fight was close I respect your opinion enough to consider it. I am actually going to watch this one again... something I usually don't.

[dsimon3387]

this is without doubt the best and most honest post i've read on this whole fight.

the biggest problem i have is that while it can be argued that either guy won, floyd didn't deserve anything for his pure lack of aggression, he's so scared to get hit, at least dlh was pushing forward, thats not to say that he won the fight though.

incidentally, jim watt, on british coverage had it by one round to floyd and i think thats about right. the guy knows how to score fights.

dsimon writes:

Floyd has foibles but you are deluded. He is afraid to get hit yet does not have a jab to speak of to keep guys off of him and sets up his counters so that the guy almost tags him in every exchange. The truth is Floyd to be succesful steps off a little bit on his opponents and in virtually every slo mo replay where it is thought his opponent tags him he is just past the punch, countering the guy in the process.

You can't fight like that if you are afraid to get hit. Jones was afraid to get hit... not floyd.

[Rubio MHS]

Floyd Mayweather has an excellent jab. In the beginning of the fight, he used it to score from far outside while he got a feel for what Oscar could and couldn't do. By the third round, he was comfortable enough with his speed advantage that he began throwing power punches as leads. This is what he's been doing since the Genaro Hernandez fight in 1998. Against Angel Manfreddy two months later, he already knew that he could outspeed him, so he went into his routine of countering the jab with an overhand right.

You know why Oscar wasn't using his jab? Because he didn't like eating those overhand rights Floyd was countering with. People might kid about Mayweather's power, but it made Oscar change his whole gameplan. Without the power in those overhand rights, Oscar simply would have jabbed away all night long, and won a decision.

[REEDsART]

You know why Oscar wasn't using his jab? Because he didn't like eating those overhand rights Floyd was countering with. People might kid about Mayweather's power, but it made Oscar change his whole gameplan. Without the power in those overhand rights, Oscar simply would have jabbed away all night long, and won a decision.Yep...

FEAR of the Pull Counter...

It's NOT Like DeLa just FORGOT to Jab or Something;he DIDN'T Want to Pay the PRICE for Jabbing...


REED:cool:

[Andrew]

8-4 or 9-3 PBF, depends whether I give DLH the 12th.

[StingerKarl]

Floyd Mayweather has an excellent jab. In the beginning of the fight, he used it to score from far outside while he got a feel for what Oscar could and couldn't do. By the third round, he was comfortable enough with his speed advantage that he began throwing power punches as leads. This is what he's been doing since the Genaro Hernandez fight in 1998. Against Angel Manfreddy two months later, he already knew that he could outspeed him, so he went into his routine of countering the jab with an overhand right.

You know why Oscar wasn't using his jab? Because he didn't like eating those overhand rights Floyd was countering with. People might kid about Mayweather's power, but it made Oscar change his whole gameplan. Without the power in those overhand rights, Oscar simply would have jabbed away all night long, and won a decision.

Great observation.

[Erratic]

Mayweather won.

Oscar fought well and was competitive with the younger guy, so he deserves credit. He looked better than many thought and put up a very good defensive performance, parrying a lot of shots. Still, Floyd landed the cleaner shots.

[Double L]

no, but he clearly won, did anyone ever say it would be?

yes! a lot of people framed the fight as a mismatch going in. most conceded that it would be close, but just answering your question - there were several who expected a mismatch. and many actually predicted ODH would be knocked out.

[Double L]

Yep...

FEAR of the Pull Counter...

It's NOT Like DeLa just FORGOT to Jab or Something;he DIDN'T Want to Pay the PRICE for Jabbing...


REED:cool:

Bull-shit. PBF didn't throw one "pull-counter" the whole fight. And if he had, it wouldn't have landed. He can only pull that off against guys like Jesus Chavez.

[slystaff]

Bull-shit. PBF didn't throw one "pull-counter" the whole fight. And if he had, it wouldn't have landed. He can only pull that off against guys like Jesus Chavez.

How did you score the fight Double?

[Erratic]

I think beating DLH more clearly than anyone else (besides the Hopkins farce) as the smaller guy, will advantages in DLH's corner is impressive.

How was he unimpressive in making DLH look like a limited amateur.

Great performance by Floyd, who right this moment is the best fighter of his generation


I disagree.

Well, it was a great DEFENSIVE fight from Mayweather. His offense wasn't impressive, as many of his shots were parried from Oscar. It wasn't the type of "career-defining" performance that Mayweather would like to claim it is.

The fact that Oscar is bigger than Floyd and Floyd was making his 154 lb debut helps though, as we've seen what can happen when you move up too much and you don't really belong there. That makes up for some of the fact that De La Hoya is an aging fighter, but Mayweather is going to have to do more to really stand out as the greatest fighter of this era.

Otherwise, he's simply one of the greats of this period.

[IMDAZED]

I disagree.

Well, it was a great DEFENSIVE fight from Mayweather. His offense wasn't impressive, as many of his shots were parried from Oscar. It wasn't the type of "career-defining" performance that Mayweather would like to claim it is.

The fact that Oscar is bigger than Floyd and Floyd was making his 154 lb debut helps though, as we've seen what can happen when you move up too much and you don't really belong there. That makes up for some of the fact that De La Hoya is an aging fighter, but Mayweather is going to have to do more to really stand out as the greatest fighter of this era.

Otherwise, he's simply one of the greats of this period.

Agreed. Mayweather hasn't quite accomplished what Hopkins & Jones did.

[jarhead]

he's a great fighter no doubt. But he is not beloved by fans and no one wants to watch him.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

he's a great fighter no doubt. But he is not beloved by fans and no one wants to watch him.If nobody wants to watch him then howcome all them people were in Vegas to see it. I know Oscar was there but it takes 2. There wasn't 50,000 people watching closed circuit when De la fought Sturm or Campas.

[jarhead]

If nobody wants to watch him then howcome all them people were in Vegas to see it. I know Oscar was there but it takes 2. There wasn't 50,000 people watching closed circuit when De la fought Sturm or Campas.

How many people watched Floyd fight Baldomir? I know Oscar/Campas beat it that is for sure.

[Mitchell Kane]

How many people watched Floyd fight Baldomir? I know Oscar/Campas beat it that is for sure.

At the start of the fight or by the end of it?

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

How many people watched Floyd fight Baldomir? I know Oscar/Campas beat it that is for sure.Sure. All im saying is Oscar is a big star but he still needs a star on the other side of the ring to get real big numbers.

[slystaff]

If nobody wants to watch him then howcome all them people were in Vegas to see it. I know Oscar was there but it takes 2. There wasn't 50,000 people watching closed circuit when De la fought Sturm or Campas.

Exactly, it take TWO to make a big fight. Leonard was a HUGE star (bigger than Oscar) but I don't recall Leonard-Norris being a big fight.

[Son of Payton]

For the record, I was rooting hard for Oscar (well...more against Floyd than for Oscar) and even with clouded judgment I still had it 7-5 Mayweather.

[IMDAZED]

For the record, I was rooting hard for Oscar (well...more against Floyd than for Oscar) and even with clouded judgment I still had it 7-5 Mayweather.

Yeah, I'm a little surprised by the controversy. It was nip and tuck through the first nine but, even then, I had Mayweather slightly ahead. From round ten going he pretty much dominated.

[Father of Muzse]

Sure. All im saying is Oscar is a big star but he still needs a star on the other side of the ring to get real big numbers.

The Mayorga fight did over 950,000 buys...that's on the same level as the Mosley rematch and the Vargas fight.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

The Mayorga fight did over 950,000 buys...that's on the same level as the Mosley rematch and the Vargas fight.Mayorga is a star. He is a great shit talker and he is very entertaining in the ring.

Everybody knew Vargas and Shane too. Theres no way you can compare their popularity or fighting skills to Campas and Sturm.

[Baron]

Mayweather won.

Oscar fought well and was competitive with the younger guy, so he deserves credit. He looked better than many thought and put up a very good defensive performance, parrying a lot of shots. Still, Floyd landed the cleaner shots.My feeling exactly. I had it 115-113. I admit I was rooting for DLH and might have been a bit drunk too. My feeling was that it was going to be a 10-2 type UD for Mayweather, DLH did way better than I thought he would.

[*Z*]

My feeling exactly. I had it 115-113. I admit I was rooting for DLH and might have been a bit drunk too. My feeling was that it was going to be a 10-2 type UD for Mayweather, DLH did way better than I thought he would.

Agreed. I thought both guys deserve credit. Oscar for doing far better than most thought he would and Floyd for winning the fight.

[Haymaker]

Any of you guys saw when Oscar was landing to Floyd's shoulder??? I said: "On fuck, Oscar knows, floyd will lose" but then Oscar simply abandoned the strategy. I immediately thought of the Cotto-Branco fight. I think it's legal to punch your opponent's arm. If DLH had sticked to beating floyd's shoulder, he would've had a good chance.

[jarhead]

Any of you guys saw when Oscar was landing to Floyd's shoulder??? I said: "On fuck, Oscar knows, floyd will lose" but then Oscar simply abandoned the strategy. I immediately thought of the Cotto-Branco fight. I think it's legal to punch your opponent's arm. If DLH had sticked to beating floyd's shoulder, he would've had a good chance.

I agree with you. DLH needed to be more of a bully. don't worry about his head until the later rounds, bang on anything from the shoulders down to torso. Fuck throw a low blow, you get one before the ref will call anything. DLH should have just been banging away, but he fought like a retard.

[TKO]

Most Floyd fans seem to have inherited his arrogance; he won the fight, congrats. But it was a close fight non-the less.

[Double L]

it was funny - in the first round, ODH did throw and land at least two low-blows.

[LOK]

Floyd won so easy...

DLH couldn't land shit..

I only wish DLH was MORE aggressive so he would have got more tired and Floyd could have stopped him

[MassaCure]

I agree with you. DLH needed to be more of a bully. don't worry about his head until the later rounds, bang on anything from the shoulders down to torso. Fuck throw a low blow, you get one before the ref will call anything. DLH should have just been banging away, but he fought like a retard.

easy for you to say, but you got to remeber floyd is returning punches, in order to be a bully you got to be willing to take clean shots back

[The Cuban Hawk]

I had Mayweather winning...7-5...but that shit was no massacre..:nono:

Agreed 100%.

I had the fight dead even after 8 rounds, then Floyd broke free by winning rounds 9, 10, and 11... Hoya came back and won the 12th IMO. And I thought most of the rounds were pretty clear to score.

It was a clear but still CLOSE decision for Floyd. Anyone who claims Hoya won is wrong, but anyone who claims Floyd won easily or by a wide margin (ie: Max Kellerass), is just as much wrong.

[The Cuban Hawk]

Yes. Floyd.

...and a ton of other posters on this forum, and boxing fans in general.

[jarhead]

easy for you to say, but you got to remeber floyd is returning punches, in order to be a bully you got to be willing to take clean shots back

good point. But with Floyd only throwing one punch at a time he couldn't hurt DLH. He doesn't have that one punch KO power against Oscar.

[The Cuban Hawk]

Any of you guys saw when Oscar was landing to Floyd's shoulder??? I said: "On fuck, Oscar knows, floyd will lose" but then Oscar simply abandoned the strategy. I immediately thought of the Cotto-Branco fight. I think it's legal to punch your opponent's arm. If DLH had sticked to beating floyd's shoulder, he would've had a good chance.

I thought the EXACT same thing, that Hoya would take over the fight from that point on. Floyd looked hurt by those jabs too. But Hoya let that opportunity slip away. I thought he did something similar in the 1st Mosley fight, when he seemed to have Mosley hurt and tiring by the middle rounds, but then abandoned his strategy and was looking for one good shot, which let Mosley recoop and get back into the fight.

[Mitchell Kane]

Agreed 100%.

I had the fight dead even after 8 rounds, then Floyd broke free by winning rounds 9, 10, and 11... Hoya came back and won the 12th IMO. And I thought most of the rounds were pretty clear to score.

It was a clear but still CLOSE decision for Floyd. Anyone who claims Hoya won is wrong, but anyone who claims Floyd won easily or by a wide margin (ie: Max Kellerass), is just as much wrong.

Yep, the re-writing of history began the moment they brought Max back on screen.

Calling that a "virtuoso" performance was embarrassing, IMO.

Watch as he calls more and more fights on HBO. His standard scorecard for close fights involving fighters he likes is 9-3/8-4.

Boxing fans have been lucky he's mostly been calling showcase fights, where it doesn't really matter how most of the fights are scored.

[MassaCure]

good point. But with Floyd only throwing one punch at a time he couldn't hurt DLH. He doesn't have that one punch KO power against Oscar.

i agree with you he had to take the shots, it was his only chance to win, standing in the middle of the ring waiting for an opening thats never going to happen isnt going to win the fight, there was one was for oscar ot win the fight and he didnt care to go for it

[The Cuban Hawk]

Watch as he calls more and more fights on HBO. His standard scorecard for close fights involving fighters he likes is 9-3/8-4.

The way he sucks the cocks of boxer/movers in fights is ridiculous. I've seen guys clearly get staggered, hurt, or overpowered in a round, and Max will still score it for that guy because of his "ring generalship". :rolleyes:

[Mitchell Kane]

The way he sucks the cocks of boxer/movers in fights is ridiculous. I've seen guys clearly get staggered, hurt, or overpowered in a round, and Max will still score it for that guy because of his "ring generalship". :rolleyes:

Yep, the clearest example I can think of was Raheem-Freitas.

But again, the sample size has been pretty small on BAD.

[jaws1216]

Agreed 100%.

I had the fight dead even after 8 rounds, then Floyd broke free by winning rounds 9, 10, and 11... Hoya came back and won the 12th IMO. And I thought most of the rounds were pretty clear to score.

It was a clear but still CLOSE decision for Floyd. Anyone who claims Hoya won is wrong, but anyone who claims Floyd won easily or by a wide margin (ie: Max Kellerass), is just as much wrong.

id love for a justification of how Oscar won the 12th

[The Cuban Hawk]

id love for a justification of how Oscar won the 12th

By landing better punches.

What's your point?

[Son of Payton]

When I was watching the fight live, I also thought Oscar took the 12th. Having said that, I had been up for about 20 hours and I haven't seen it since, so I don't remember specifics about the round.

[Jake]

Mayorga is a star. He is a great shit talker and he is very entertaining in the ring.

Everybody knew Vargas and Shane too. Theres no way you can compare their popularity or fighting skills to Campas and Sturm.
Mayorga is not a star. Anyone could've been the opponent for Oscar's comeback fight last year, and it was going to draw big. Mayorga added a little something to it with his shit talking and bullshit green belt, but was otherwise playing the same exact role he did nearly two years prior; punching bag for comebacking superstar.

[jaws1216]

By landing better punches.

What's your point?

LOL. Mayweather beat him bad for the first 2:45. He landed multiple lead rights, looping rights,jabs. With 20 seconds left Oscar stumbled.

Upon review, and rewatching this is one of Mayweather's best rounds of the fight

[IMDAZED]

When I was watching the fight live, I also thought Oscar took the 12th. Having said that, I had been up for about 20 hours and I haven't seen it since, so I don't remember specifics about the round.

If they flurried a little bit more in the twelfth, someone woulda got KTFO. I'm betting Oscar.

[jaws1216]

When I was watching the fight live, I also thought Oscar took the 12th. Having said that, I had been up for about 20 hours and I haven't seen it since, so I don't remember specifics about the round.

it was a schooling. Unless ur giving DLH credit for the arm punch shoe shines, Floyd outlanded oscar handily from start to finish. And oscar buckled, carlos the blind

[jarhead]

By landing better punches.

What's your point?

he probably had it 12 rounds to 0 for Floyd:lol:

[The Cuban Hawk]

he probably had it 12 rounds to 0 for Floyd:lol:

If he thinks anyone was "beaten bad" at some point in that fight, then he was obviously watching a different fight altogether.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Mayorga is not a star. Anyone could've been the opponent for Oscar's comeback fight last year, and it was going to draw big. Mayorga added a little something to it with his shit talking and bullshit green belt, but was otherwise playing the same exact role he did nearly two years prior; punching bag for comebacking superstar.So you think Mayorga is a nobody? He had been on Showtime and HBO a bunch of times including a PPV fight with Tito. He was real exciting and one of the best shit talkers in boxing.

[*Z*]

So you think Mayorga is a nobody? He had been on Showtime and HBO a bunch of times including a PPV fight with Tito. He was real exciting and one of the best shit talkers in boxing.

Mayorga is a name, but that doesn't mean he's any good. He's a draw though with his shit talk and wild style.

[Rubio MHS]

De la Hoya's win over Mayorga was no more important than Mayweather's win over Gatti.

[Quick Draw McGraw]

I just want ......Pretty Boring Floyd..... to just go away with his little flawless record and retire.

[Tyler Durden]

I thought Mayweather clearly won. I scored it 7-5, but 8-4 is not unreasonable.

"However" (Copywright Father of Muzse, 2007)

I can understand scoring it for De La Hoya...and I don't see the "split" decision as a controversy.

A few rounds were close and difficult to score (round 3 for example)

:eeeek: :bears:

Round 3,6,8 were pretty close. If you give Floyd all three of those rounds, you are a nuthugger. If you give at least one to DLH, 7-5 is reasonable for Floyd. If you give two of those to Oscar, you are borderline DLH nuthugger, this makes it a draw. If you score all three of those rounds to DLH, you are a DLH nuthugger and have it 7-5 for DLH.

If you carry on how Floyd controlled DLH and put on a masterful performance, you are a DLH hater AND a Floyd groupie :nono:

[Tyler Durden]

I just want ......Pretty Boring Floyd..... to just go away with his little flawless record and retire.

Would you like to join the bandwagon?:bears:

[TKO]

Floyd needed to lose that 0, I just wish Oscar took it.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Mayorga is a name, but that doesn't mean he's any good. He's a draw though with his shit talk and wild style.You said it right there. He is a NAME. Campas and Sturm where guys nobody had heard of and the PPV buys reflect that.

[Maverick]

Floyd won 9-3 on my card, but I could see 8-4.

[Erratic]

Watched the fight on SKY where Jim Watt gave it to Floyd by 1 and i struggled to see how he could be any more generous to DLH

Didn't Jim Watt have Gatti beating Baldomir when it was stopped?

[CleanYourClock]

Floyd won 9-3 on my card, but I could see 8-4.

:lol: :lol:

[CleanYourClock]

I think beating DLH more clearly than anyone else (besides the Hopkins farce) as the smaller guy, will advantages in DLH's corner is impressive.

How was he unimpressive in making DLH look like a limited amateur.

Great performance by Floyd, who right this moment is the best fighter of his generation

Bro 115/ 113 DLH

He was unimpressive because all he did was punch air and gloves ..
How about when DLH was standing right in front of him , he threw 5 or 6 punches and DLH ducked and dodged them all without moving ...

So puching an opponent glove is a point ??
Punching the air is a point ?
Don't amatures do shit like this ?

[Father of Muzse]

Bro 115/ 113 DLH

He was unimpressive because all he did was punch air and gloves ..
How about when DLH was standing right in front of him , he threw 5 or 6 punches and DLH ducked and dodged them all without moving ...

So puching an opponent glove is a point ??
Punching the air is a point ?
Don't amatures do shit like this ?

"Like I said before" Oscar blocked a ton of shots, but Floyd CLEARLY landed the cleaner blows.

I can't find 7 rounds to "give" to Oscar. I say "give" because he certainly didn't win 7 rounds.

[steve_dave]

Bro 115/ 113 DLH

He was unimpressive because all he did was punch air and gloves ..
How about when DLH was standing right in front of him , he threw 5 or 6 punches and DLH ducked and dodged them all without moving ...

So puching an opponent glove is a point ??
Punching the air is a point ?
Don't amatures do shit like this ?

Ugh.

[Double L]

"Like I said before" Oscar blocked a ton of shots, but Floyd CLEARLY landed the cleaner blows.

I can't find 7 rounds to "give" to Oscar. I say "give" because he certainly didn't win 7 rounds.

give em to him anyways. you know you want to. :lol:

[jaws1216]

Bro 115/ 113 DLH

He was unimpressive because all he did was punch air and gloves ..
How about when DLH was standing right in front of him , he threw 5 or 6 punches and DLH ducked and dodged them all without moving ...

So puching an opponent glove is a point ??
Punching the air is a point ?
Don't amatures do shit like this ?

it doesn't surprise me one bit.

I'm actually surprised simon, noble, and every other certified old time lover didn't score the fight for Oscar on "toughness and aggression" alone.

[steve_dave]

De La Hoya hit A LOT more air than Floyd did. It's not close at all, and anyone who scored the fight for Oscar doesn't matter. You can't score a boxing match if you scored it for Oscar... there's on opinion here. One man clearly won.

[CleanYourClock]

De La Hoya hit A LOT more air than Floyd did. It's not close at all, and anyone who scored the fight for Oscar doesn't matter. You can't score a boxing match if you scored it for Oscar... there's on opinion here. One man clearly won.

So far today at work (I was out yesterday) - I am yet to hear from ANYONE that they thought PBF won the fight ...

Even the guys I debated and argued with before the fight are completely silent today at work ...
If PBF won clearly, those Mofo's would have drilled my e-mail and voice mail to rub it in ..
Thats for sure ...

[jaws1216]

So far today at work (I was out yesterday) - I am yet to hear from ANYONE that they thought PBF won the fight ...

Even the guys I debated and argued with before the fight are completely silent today at work ...
If PBF won clearly, those Mofo's would have drilled my e-mail and voice mail to rub it in ..
Thats for sure ...

why do u guys make this stuff up.

my brother's friend, who only watches DLH, wathed the fight at his uncle's bar with 60 relatives who love them some DLH. ALL of them had Floyd winning, and had NOTHING to say after the fight. When I told him people thought DLH won he was laughing, and he doesn't even watch boxing besides DLH fights.

[CleanYourClock]

it doesn't surprise me one bit.

I'm actually surprised simon, noble, and every other certified old time lover didn't score the fight for Oscar on "toughness and aggression" alone.

Not toughness and aggression , I just know that a punch that stops 4 inches before its intented target or punches that are PURPOSELY & SKILLFULLY pushed aside by gloves DO NOT count as punches landed ...

Simple as that. That is the boxing rule and thats what I'm going by ...
A sound of 2 gloves hitting each other is not a point for Mayweather.
Something you have yet to come to terms with ...

[CleanYourClock]

why do u guys make this stuff up.

my brother's friend, who only watches DLH, wathed the fight at his uncle's bar with 60 relatives who love them some DLH. ALL of them had Floyd winning, and had NOTHING to say after the fight. When I told him people thought DLH won he was laughing, and he doesn't even watch boxing besides DLH fights.

:lol: :lol:
Talk about made up stories ... :laughing:

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

De La Hoya hit A LOT more air than Floyd did. It's not close at all, and anyone who scored the fight for Oscar doesn't matter. You can't score a boxing match if you scored it for Oscar... there's on opinion here. One man clearly won.
:bears:

[steve_dave]

So far today at work (I was out yesterday) - I am yet to hear from ANYONE that they thought PBF won the fight ...

Even the guys I debated and argued with before the fight are completely silent today at work ...
If PBF won clearly, those Mofo's would have drilled my e-mail and voice mail to rub it in ..
Thats for sure ...

Well I'm sure those guys can't score a fight either. Honestly, it's embarassing that ANYONE had it for Oscar.

[CleanYourClock]

Well I'm sure those guys can't score a fight either. Honestly, it's embarassing that ANYONE had it for Oscar.

Hey Steve , if you want to score a point for PBF because you HEAR the gloves hitting each other after he threw a punch , that is your opinion.

As far as I'm concerned , one of the judges seen what was really going on in this fight ...

[Erratic]

As far as I'm concerned , one of the judges seen what was really going on in this fight ...

What, Oscar landing on air and Floyd landing on glove?

:lol:

[Neil]

So far today at work (I was out yesterday) - I am yet to hear from ANYONE that they thought PBF won the fight ...

Even the guys I debated and argued with before the fight are completely silent today at work ...
If PBF won clearly, those Mofo's would have drilled my e-mail and voice mail to rub it in ..
Thats for sure ...


Basically you are telling us that ignorance is a prerequisite for working at your place of employment.

[CleanYourClock]

Basically you are telling us that ignorance is a prerequisite for working at your place of employment.

Quite the opposite buddy ...

[Victory]

I had it a draw. But I won't argue much over the result. It was a close fight that could've swung either way. In this case, Floyd got the nod.

Just one thing about DLH's jab.

Agreed that he could've decisively won the fight had he used it more. But he just couldn't. And it had little to do with what Floyd did in return.

Whenever Oscar committed to that punch in spots, it was really effective. He drove Mayweather back and disrupted his rhythm.

Unfortunately, he couldn't jab that frequently anymore. And it has to do with his stamina. Plus the fact that he's older and it gets worse.

This isn't the 90's when he was still at welter.

[Tyler Durden]

Well I'm sure those guys can't score a fight either. Honestly, it's embarassing that ANYONE had it for Oscar.

Embarrassing? What did you score it that it would be considered "embarrassing" :rolleyes:

I would think it would have to be 9-3 for it to be considered embarrassing....

[Tyler Durden]

I had it a draw. But I won't argue much over the result. It was a close fight that could've swung either way. In this case, Floyd got the nod.

Just one thing about DLH's jab.

Agreed that he could've decisively won the fight had he used it more. But he just couldn't. And it had little to do with what Floyd did in return.

Whenever Oscar committed to that punch in spots, it was really effective. He drove Mayweather back and disrupted his rhythm.

Unfortunately, he couldn't jab that frequently anymore. And it has to do with his stamina. Plus the fact that he's older and it gets worse.

This isn't the 90's when he was still at welter.


Running after somebody for 12 rounds has to have some effect too.....

[The Genius]

I realised that I was biased towards Oscar before this fight began. I never really liked him but maybe I just don't like Mayweather. That in mind, I scored every round that I though was close for Floyd to make up for my bias.

When the last round was over, I originally thought DLH won it to make a draw. It was the only round where I did not definitively give the close round to Floyd. It went against the rest of my scoring so to be consistent, Floyd had to get the last round making it 7-5. Close but clear.

DLH did not win this fight.

[cdogg187]

I have to say I am actually shocked that people really think Oscar won this fight.
I mean, the tempo was completely determined by Mayweather, he landed the only good shots throughout the Lion's share of the bout and DLH just flat out couldn't hit him except on the arms and elbows when he would just throw recklessly whenever he had Floyd with his back to the ropes.
Mayweather would laugh at him, easily punch his way out and resume matadoring (sic) him

Easy fight to score, Mayweather won it handily and I was rooting for the old guy

[Double L]

I have to say I am actually shocked that people really think Oscar won this fight.
I mean, the tempo was completely determined by Mayweather, he landed the only good shots throughout the Lion's share of the bout and DLH just flat out couldn't hit him except on the arms and elbows when he would just throw recklessly whenever he had Floyd with his back to the ropes.
Mayweather would laugh at him, easily punch his way out and resume matadoring (sic) him

Easy fight to score, Mayweather won it handily and I was rooting for the old guy

it's okay to think PBF won. most people did. and most importantly, the judges did. but to say that he controlled the temp of the fight? that's ludricous!

[The Cuban Hawk]

it's okay to think PBF won. most people did. and most importantly, the judges did. but to say that he controlled the temp of the fight? that's ludricous!

Agreed.

[cdogg187]

How is it ludicrous??

They fought the vast amjority of the bout at ring center...EXACTLY where Mayweather wanted them to be. The only time DLH managed anything resembling an offensive is when Mayweather backed to the ropes, and even then it was elbows he was hitting with his wild, arm punches...time after time, Mayweather easily escaped the situation and went right back to fighting his fight. If that isn't setting the tempo, nothing is.

[Baron]

I have to say I am actually shocked that people really think Oscar won this fight.
I mean, the tempo was completely determined by Mayweather, he landed the only good shots throughout the Lion's share of the bout and DLH just flat out couldn't hit him except on the arms and elbows when he would just throw recklessly whenever he had Floyd with his back to the ropes.
Mayweather would laugh at him, easily punch his way out and resume matadoring (sic) him

Easy fight to score, Mayweather won it handily and I was rooting for the old guy

I dream of the day he'll get knocked unconcious while disrespectfully laughing at his opponent. That's the main reason why I can't stand the guy.

[Tam Tam]

Oscar controlled the tempo? So I guess everybody who fights Mayweather controls the tempo then, because Floyd handled him exactly like he did Baldomir, Chavez, Hernandez, Chico, Castillo and so on. He waiting for countering opportunities when pressed and whenever the opponent slacked off, Mayweather got off first.

But hey, if Oscar controlled the tempo....I guess that means Floyd for Oscars fight and won then, yeah? :bears:

[valdosta]

Nobody at my work thinks ODLH won. That's a good thing otherwise I would think I work with a bunch of "special" people. Floyd clearly won.

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

I have to say I am actually shocked that people really think Oscar won this fight.
I mean, the tempo was completely determined by Mayweather, he landed the only good shots throughout the Lion's share of the bout and DLH just flat out couldn't hit him except on the arms and elbows when he would just throw recklessly whenever he had Floyd with his back to the ropes.
Mayweather would laugh at him, easily punch his way out and resume matadoring (sic) him

Easy fight to score, Mayweather won it handily and I was rooting for the old guy
My feelings exactly. :bears:

[Tyler Durden]

I have to say I am actually shocked that people really think Oscar won this fight.
I mean, the tempo was completely determined by Mayweather, he landed the only good shots throughout the Lion's share of the bout and DLH just flat out couldn't hit him except on the arms and elbows when he would just throw recklessly whenever he had Floyd with his back to the ropes.
Mayweather would laugh at him, easily punch his way out and resume matadoring (sic) him

Easy fight to score, Mayweather won it handily and I was rooting for the old guy

I've never seen someone get hit in the elbows and make their nose bleed and both eyes swollen over :dunno:

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

I've never seen someone get hit in the elbows and make their nose bleed and both eyes swollen over :dunno:
:notallthere:

Me either... damn sure didn't see that on May 5th.

[Tyler Durden]

:notallthere:

Me either... damn sure didn't see that on May 5th.

Selective memory, his nose got busted and was wiping it on a white towel and when he was getting interviewd within an hourafter the fight, both eyes were drooping over :lol: