Floyd single-handedly ruins boxing.....

[Tyler Durden]

......now there will be a whole new generation of boxers that will run more than they will fight to win..... thanks for nothing Floyd.

[Dollar-Fifty78]

......now there will be a whole new generation of boxers that will run more than they will fight to win..... thanks for nothing Floyd.Thank god no one will be there to watch boxing is dead:lol:

[slystaff]

......now there will be a whole new generation of boxers that will run more than they will fight to win..... thanks for nothing Floyd.

But they wont be successful because they won't have the SKILLS! (many have tried, few have succeeded)

besides...Floyd didn't run.

[Hanzy]

Thank god no one will be there to watch boxing is dead:lol:

Wlad Klitschko is still around and if he unifies like he should, the division will thrive and it'll be a shot in the arm for the sport.:clap:

[Dollar-Fifty78]

Wlad Klitschko is still around and if he unifies like he should, the division will thrive and it'll be a shot in the arm for the sport.:clap:
Maybe but I've jumped ship no more boxing PPV for me stickly MMA baby!

[Xplosive]

Its bad enough these pussies think Oscar won, now there accusing Floyd of RUNNING? Next they'll be claiming DLH scored a knock down and the ref missed it.

This board has me in awe. Some of these simps really DID NOT watch this fight! Its "fans" like THIS that are ruining boxing moreso than Floyd.

[Dollar-Fifty78]

Its bad enough these pussies think Oscar won, now there accusing Floyd of RUNNING? Next they'll be claiming DLH scored a knock down and the ref missed it.

This board has me in awe. Some of these simps really DID NOT watch this fight! Its "fans" like THIS that are ruining boxing moreso than Floyd.I watched the fight do you want me to take a picture of my big ass TV with the fight playing? It's already on disc you want one?

[Roll With The Punches]

Floyd needs to go down to 140 but i dont think he could make 140 seeing how big he is now
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[Tyler Durden]

But they wont be successful because they won't have the SKILLS! (many have tried, few have succeeded)

besides...Floyd didn't run.

Superglue your hand to your face, turn your back and dip down to your knees......whether the storm, punch once and take 4 laps :doh: No thanks, that kind of skill I can do without......

[The Genius]

Its bad enough these pussies think Oscar won, now there accusing Floyd of RUNNING? Next they'll be claiming DLH scored a knock down and the ref missed it.


Not sure if it's what you meant but Judah should have had the knockdown scored for him. Floyd's glove clearly touched the canvas.

[Hanzy]

Maybe but I've jumped ship no more boxing PPV for me stickly MMA baby!

Don't know bro. I've seen some really really awful sh*t in MMA, just like in boxing. That so-called 'grudge match' between Koscheck vs Diego Sanchez was so bad, fans were booing both guys out of the building. Then you have other junk like Herring vs O'Brian with a whole lot of wet blanket tactics when one guy is terrified of standing up and striking. Arlovski vs Werdum was one of the worst fights in years.
Can't say that MMA is better than boxing or vice versa. Particularly because both sports have alot to offer but there's also alot of crap too.

[Tyler Durden]

Its bad enough these pussies think Oscar won, now there accusing Floyd of RUNNING? Next they'll be claiming DLH scored a knock down and the ref missed it.

This board has me in awe. Some of these simps really DID NOT watch this fight! Its "fans" like THIS that are ruining boxing moreso than Floyd.

You want to slurp up that bullshit fight, that is what is ruining boxing and suporting a track star.......

[bigdawg]

Maybe but I've jumped ship no more boxing PPV for me stickly MMA baby!

If that's the case then why are you on a boxing website talking about boxing. Hey I don't like NASCAR. You don't see me on those websites. I'll Holla 5000

[bigdawg]

......now there will be a whole new generation of boxers that will run more than they will fight to win..... thanks for nothing Floyd.


Then don't watch anymore boxing. And if it's so bad why do you continue to frequent a boxing website talking about boxing. I'll Holla 5000

[Dollar-Fifty78]

Don't know bro. I've seen some really really awful sh*t in MMA, just like in boxing. That so-called 'grudge match' between Koscheck vs Diego Sanchez was so bad, fans were booing both guys out of the building. Then you have other junk like Herring vs O'Brian with a whole lot of wet blanket tactics when one guy is terrified of standing up and striking. Arlovski vs Werdum was one of the worst fights in years.
Can't say that MMA is better than boxing or vice versa. Particularly because both sports have alot to offer but there's also alot of crap too.
Oh don't worry I can say it MMA is better than boxing.

[boxingnotboxers]

Like I've said before: if a fighter runs, so what?

That's like saying "what else can I do when someone is taller than me?

"I can't do this homework! I'm not smart enough!"


These are professionals at what they do (well, allegedly).

They are paid to face opponents.

This fight had months of prep on both sides.

SOMEBODY has seen a Mayweather tape in the Golden Boy camp, I hope.

This isn't a circular track; it's a CONFINED SPACE WITH A 5'8" GROWN MAN INSIDE IT AS YOUR PREY.

If I gave even the most novice hunter a closed 15x15 room and said catch a rabbit, I'm pretty sure they'd be able to do it.

So you're basically saying that DLH is the slowest and/or dumbest fighter ever, or he couldn't enact his gameplan well enough to stop an elusive fighter before the 12 rounds were up.

Somehow, I'm picking the latter out of respect.

[Dollar-Fifty78]

. Hey I don't like NASCAR. You don't see me on those websites. I'll Holla 5000
How would I know that for all I know you have a NASCAR drivers dick in your hands as I type.:dunno:

[Tyler Durden]

Then don't watch anymore boxing. And if it's so bad why do you continue to frequent a boxing website talking about boxing. I'll Holla 5000

Because I am sentimental, it is about dead though. New generation isn't here yet, after people seeing how Floyd can run and not fight to win......people will adapt this style to stink out the sport.

[Kenny]

Who's the wise guy that put Rocky" Little Guinn" Juarez in the card. Thank god for Bautista/Medina. Everybody knows Floyd/GB would be a stinker unless Delahoya connects something good.

[MAXWELL]

Floyds a fricking bore to watch atleast srl throws combos.

[Der Tiger]

Who's the wise guy that put Rocky" Little Guinn" Juarez in the card. Thank god for Bautista/Medina. Everybody knows Floyd/GB would be a stinker unless Delahoya connects something good.

For a long time, I've wanted to like Juarez because I followed him while developing as a pro but the guy just can't go through the gears, his lack of intensity is maddening sometimes-he has plenty of tools and it looks like a case of won't rather than can't...

[dsimon3387]

Because I am sentimental, it is about dead though. New generation isn't here yet, after people seeing how Floyd can run and not fight to win......people will adapt this style to stink out the sport.

dsimon writes:

That is such an exxageration. It was actually a good fight. They engaged many times. Floyd even took Oscar's punch at the end of the fight. Floyd ran a lot less than I thought he would.

He was in Oscar's range because he was trying to counter Oscar, as he often did.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Don't know bro. I've seen some really really awful sh*t in MMA, just like in boxing. That so-called 'grudge match' between Koscheck vs Diego Sanchez was so bad, fans were booing both guys out of the building. Then you have other junk like Herring vs O'Brian with a whole lot of wet blanket tactics when one guy is terrified of standing up and striking. Arlovski vs Werdum was one of the worst fights in years.
Can't say that MMA is better than boxing or vice versa. Particularly because both sports have alot to offer but there's also alot of crap too.The difference is every now and then boxing gets fights like Morales-Barrera and Castillo-Corrales that is 100,000,000x better then any MMA fight that ever happened.

[Rubio MHS]

Jeez, it's not like Floyd Mayweather invented boxing on the outside.

[steve_dave]

Jeez, it's not like Floyd Mayweather invented boxing on the outside.

Yeah, seriously.

What was everyone expecting? Gatti/Ward?

[Free Ike]

Lance Armstrong Mayweather may have done just that. He fought like a cunt. He still beat de la Zombie. Zombie walked around like he was trying to catch a chicken on PCP when de la Zombie was on thorzine. Fuck Lance. He fought like Lance Armstrong, Zahir Raheem and Fres Oquendo all wrapped into one.

[mexican wedding shirt]

I think maybe we were expecting someone like leonard, who floyd has compared himself to. Someone with great skill and athletic ability, but somebody who nuts up, fights with some fire and passion, and tries to take the guy out.

[Rubio MHS]

I think maybe we were expecting someone like leonard, who floyd has compared himself to. Someone with great skill and athletic ability, but somebody who nuts up, fights with some fire and passion, and tries to take the guy out.But when facing a larger opponent in Hagler, Leonard fought the same way Floyd did.

[Free Ike]

But when facing a larger opponent in Hagler, Leonard fought the same way Floyd did.
Leonard was a boring cunt as well.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Leonard was past prime and out of retirement. He fought like a bitch yes, but at least he didn't really have anything to prove. In his prime, he had more balls than that.

Floyd had everything to prove, this was his fight to win respect, and he fought like a boring, potshotting, safety first cunt.

[Bob N Weave]

Its bad enough these pussies think Oscar won, now there accusing Floyd of RUNNING? Next they'll be claiming DLH scored a knock down and the ref missed it.

This board has me in awe. Some of these simps really DID NOT watch this fight! Its "fans" like THIS that are ruining boxing moreso than Floyd.

If you don't think that Floyd was running, you are delusional.:nono:

[Free Ike]

If you don't think that Floyd was running, you are delusional.:nono:
xPLOSIVE is not smart. Not only did Floyd run, he held shamelessly and he ducked and grabbed DLH's legs, presumably to give him head. Floyd won the fight though. Oscar looked like a skilless zombie. I have seen more spunk from a Night of the Living Dead Marathon.

[Tyler Durden]

dsimon writes:

That is such an exxageration. It was actually a good fight. They engaged many times. Floyd even took Oscar's punch at the end of the fight. Floyd ran a lot less than I thought he would.

He was in Oscar's range because he was trying to counter Oscar, as he often did.

That's when Floyd got his nose busted, he bravely waited until the last 15 seconds of the fight to actually fight and look what happened :lol:

Wait and see, you will start to see more and more fighters adapt the punch and run technique because it can win a fight. That equals a stinkout.

Your expectations must have been even lower than mine to think this was a good fight :dunno:

[Kenny]

xPLOSIVE is not smart. Not only did Floyd run, he held shamelessly and he ducked and grabbed DLH's legs, presumably to give him head. Floyd won the fight though. Oscar looked like a skilless zombie. I have seen more spunk from a Night of the Living Dead Marathon.

This was the story of the fight. Great post. :bears:

[Rubio MHS]

xPLOSIVE is not smart. Not only did Floyd run, he held shamelessly and he ducked and grabbed DLH's legs, presumably to give him head. Floyd won the fight though. Oscar looked like a skilless zombie. I have seen more spunk from a Night of the Living Dead Marathon.What fight were you watching? If anything, Oscar initiated more clinches than Floyd did.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

What fight were you watching? If anything, Oscar initiated more clinches than Floyd did.He is a Hatton fan who wants to make Floyd look bad.

[Rubio MHS]

I know who Ike is, but I didn't think he'd have to rely to flat-out lying about what happened. One has to wonder if he doesn't do this more often.

[Dollar-Fifty78]

What fight were you watching? If anything, Oscar initiated more clinches than Floyd did.
:lol: :lol: Goddamn boy.....

[Rubio MHS]

:lol: :lol: Goddamn boy you are fucking stupid or blind.Seriously. Although Roger told Floyd to tie Oscar up on the ropes, Floyd rarely did. In fact, if you pay attention to Oscar's flurry offense often consisted of holding with the right arm and throwing the left, a-la John Ruiz.

[dsimon3387]

That's when Floyd got his nose busted, he bravely waited until the last 15 seconds of the fight to actually fight and look what happened :lol:

Wait and see, you will start to see more and more fighters adapt the punch and run technique because it can win a fight. That equals a stinkout.

Your expectations must have been even lower than mine to think this was a good fight :dunno:

dsimon writes:

I definitely had low expectations. But I think both guys did better than expected.

[KaukipRrr]

Superglue your hand to your face, turn your back and dip down to your knees......whether the storm, punch once and take 4 laps :doh: No thanks, that kind of skill I can do without......

Fucken precisely, there's something not right about that 'turning his back' to defend himself, that seems illegal to me, I wonder what he'll do when someone nails him hard in the back where his body is supposed to be?..fall down crying claiming foul. Then ofcourse he elbows, palms, forearms etc,..to set his straight right up inbetween raw explosive sprinting that borderlines disqualification level. He fucking stinks,...and ex-Jones fans are content to love and admire this supreme eye-searer?...how the fuck do you go from something as spectacular as Roy, ...to this?...and retain this much hype and love?....... :notallthere: "Aww aww coz dey similar dey is"...yeah.....I know how they're similar :rolleyes: .

[Dollar-Fifty78]

Fucken precisely, there's something not right about that 'turning his back' to defend himself, that seems illegal to me, I wonder what he'll do when someone nails him hard in the back where his body is supposed to be?..fall down crying claiming foul. Then ofcourse he elbows, palms, forearms etc,..to set his straight right up inbetween raw explosive sprinting that borderlines disqualification level. He fucking stinks,...and ex-Jones fans are content to love and admire this supreme eye-searer?...how the fuck do you go from something as spectacular as Roy, ...to this?...and retain this much hype and love?....... :notallthere: "Aww aww coz dey similar dey is"...yeah.....I know how they're similar :rolleyes: .
:popcorn: good stuff

[Tyler Durden]

dsimon writes:

I definitely had low expectations. But I think both guys did better than expected.

That doesn't equal good to me. Oscar did more than what I expected, Floyd didn't surprise me.

[Tyler Durden]

Fucken precisely, there's something not right about that 'turning his back' to defend himself, that seems illegal to me, I wonder what he'll do when someone nails him hard in the back where his body is supposed to be?..fall down crying claiming foul. Then ofcourse he elbows, palms, forearms etc,..to set his straight right up inbetween raw explosive sprinting that borderlines disqualification level. He fucking stinks,...and ex-Jones fans are content to love and admire this supreme eye-searer?...how the fuck do you go from something as spectacular as Roy, ...to this?...and retain this much hype and love?....... :notallthere: "Aww aww coz dey similar dey is"...yeah.....I know how they're similar :rolleyes: .

I hope someone straightens out his intestins with a punch the next time he does that bullshit :lol:

The accolades he gets has me completely confused. Roy never had his hand super glued to his face at the slightest hint of a flinch nor contort to turn his back to his opponent so the opponent can't punch. Roy relied on offense and counterpunching, not defense to discourage the fighter. Yeah they are similar :dunno:

The black and white elitist snobs who claim how great fighters were, actually stick up for fraud, I just don't get it :notallthere:

[Haymaker]

Would you guys really expect Floyd to be unbeaten at this stage of his career if he had the style of arturo Gatti?? Fuck, he's a boxer, with not much power who relies on his reflexes and quickness to WIN A FIGHT

WIN A FIGHT is the purpose of the sport, isn't it??? :dunno:

[Tyler Durden]

Would you guys really expect Floyd to be unbeaten at this stage of his career if he had the style of arturo Gatti?? Fuck, he's a boxer, with not much power who relies on his reflexes and quickness to WIN A FIGHT

WIN A FIGHT is the purpose of the sport, isn't it??? :dunno:

Fine and dandy, but let's be real.....take the accolades associated with him away forever. He is not a fighter, he is a defensive boring chicken that will not engage. This is what his accolade should be :cheer:

[Pascals Wager]

Leonard was past prime and out of retirement. He fought like a bitch yes, but at least he didn't really have anything to prove. In his prime, he had more balls than that.

Floyd had everything to prove, this was his fight to win respect, and he fought like a boring, potshotting, safety first cunt.
:bears: :bears: :bears:

This fight proved one thing. PBF is NOT the nearly fighter SRL was.

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

:bears: :bears: :bears:

This fight proved one thing. PBF is NOT the nearly fighter SRL was.
No, that's just speculating.

What it only really proved is this: Floyd Mayweather is a better fighter than Oscar de la Hoya.

[TysonFan4Ever]

This will be the last big PPV. I think boxing is finally done for after people wasted their money on that B.S. I'm glad I didn't buy it.

[Fighter]

Leonard was past prime and out of retirement. He fought like a bitch yes, but at least he didn't really have anything to prove. In his prime, he had more balls than that.

Floyd had everything to prove, this was his fight to win respect, and he fought like a boring, potshotting, safety first cunt.

Now now, you're hurting Floyd's FEELINGS. He said in the press conference it's because of people like you he is retiring from the sport.

He put on a mastery of boxing. A virtuoso performance. Look at the punch stats and he blocked everything Oscar threw.

Aren't you going to miss him a little bit? :crafty:

[The Genius]

Now now, you're hurting Floyd's FEELINGS. He said in the press conference it's because of people like you he is retiring from the sport.

He put on a mastery of boxing. A virtuoso performance. Look at the punch stats and he blocked everything Oscar threw.

Aren't you going to miss him a little bit? :crafty:

He won but it was no virtuoso performance. He never at any time stamped his authority on the fight and appeared to do just enough to win IMO.

Still a win but not endearing to the masses. Right or wrong it because of this that Floyd will remain underappreciated.

[Father of Muzse]

He won but it was no virtuoso performance. He never at any time stamped his authority on the fight and appeared to do just enough to win IMO.

Still a win but not endearing to the masses. Right or wrong it because of this that Floyd will remain underappreciated.

It wasn't a great performance by Floyd by any means. I watched in a room full of Mayweather fans and they were less than thrilled though the felt Floyd clearly won (as did I).

The biggest difference between Floyd and the Fab Four of the 80's is that those guys went for the kill.

A prime Leonard would have gone for the KO vs Oscar. He wouldn't have potshotted his way to victory.

[Hanzy]

He won but it was no virtuoso performance. He never at any time stamped his authority on the fight and appeared to do just enough to win IMO.

Still a win but not endearing to the masses. Right or wrong it because of this that Floyd will remain underappreciated.

Fans expect a fighter to leave it all in the ring, if nothing else. Even if you're dominating, you should attempt to stop the opponent rather than play it safe. That's why fighters like Mayweather, Lewis, Winky Wright, Bernard Hopkins are/were not appreciated and couldn't really get over with the masses. And on the other hand, fighters who give it their all in both winning and losing like young Tyson and Holyfield are amongst the most popular fighters in history. It all makes sense.

[KaukipRrr]

Fans expect a fighter to leave it all in the ring, if nothing else. Even if you're dominating, you should attempt to stop the opponent rather than play it safe. That's why fighters like Mayweather, Lewis, Winky Wright, Bernard Hopkins are/were not appreciated and couldn't really get over with the masses. And on the other hand, fighters who give it their all in both winning and losing like young Tyson and Holyfield are amongst the most popular fighters in history. It all makes sense.

I dont know about that Hanz, there happens to be a certain welterweight champion, who's an always exciting all-action fighter who'll march forwards trying to KILL YOU every second of every round, and he'll fight anybody, anywhere,...
his name is ofcourse Antonio Margarito, yet still :dunno: he happens to be one of the most HATED, HATED, HATED fighters on this messageboard (excluding white europeans ofcourse),..:dunno: ...........so, who knows what people really respect in general?..

[Hanzy]

I dont know about that Hanz, there happens to be a certain welterweight champion, who's an always exciting all-action fighter who'll march forwards trying to KILL YOU every second of every round, and he'll fight anybody, anywhere,...
his name is ofcourse Antonio Margarito, yet still :dunno: he happens to be one of the most HATED, HATED, HATED fighters on this messageboard (excluding white europeans ofcourse),..:dunno: ...........so, who knows what people really respect in general?..

Seems mostly amongst the Floyd jock-riders.

[KaukipRrr]

Seems mostly amongst the Floyd jock-riders.

True, which is a majority around here unfortunately,..personally,.. I think they are the ones who have no problems destroying the sport aslong as baby gets his bottle, they put a single boxer above boxing, this is where all this sickening 'worthyness' talk was derrived from, it suits Fraud's mentallity and agenda, he feels he's above the sport, and so do his idiot fans who endorse and passionately defend his actions (and even WORDS), :rolleyes: inevitabely it reflects on his well-paid mis-matchmaking.

[Hanzy]

True, which is a majority around here unfortunately,..personally,.. I think they are the ones who have no problems destroying the sport aslong as baby gets his bottle, they put a single boxer above boxing, this is where all this sickening 'worthyness' talk was derrived from, it suits Fraud's mentallity and agenda, he feels he's above the sport, and so do his idiot fans who endorse and passionately defend his actions (and even WORDS), :rolleyes: inevitabely it reflects on his well-paid mis-matchmaking.

Remember how defensive the Tyson fanatics were during Tyson/Tua discussions? If anybody even gave Tua the slightest chance of knocking Tyson's ass out, they'd come at you in droves not only insulting you for thinking something they deemed so ridiculous but they'd also trash Tua. Tua was REALLY unpopular amongst the Tyson lovers.:lol: They'd get so defensive.

[jarhead]

Floyd should retire. He'a very skilled boxer. Boxers can appreciate his skills, and so can hardcore fans. But his style isn't entertaining to the "average fan". Hanzy is right, fans want to see a guy give it all he has and leave it all in the ring. Floyd won't ever do that, it just isn't the way he fights.

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

Diccionart from the Average Joe Fight Fan:

Leave it all on the ring: "To brawl. To fight stupid and make mistakes possibly even get hurt by a punch something he didn't see walking foward with his hands low".

[Hanzy]

Diccionart from the Average Joe Fight Fan:

Leave it all on the ring: "To brawl. To fight stupid and make mistakes possibly even get hurt by a punch something he didn't see walking foward with his hands low".

Leave it all in the ring: "To make an effort. To fight as if you actually give a sh*t and giving fans a reason to pay to see you again."

:lol: Mike Tyson, Tommy Hearns, Leonard all entertained. I guess they fought stupid?:dunno:

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Leave it all in the ring: "To make an effort. To fight as if you actually give a sh*t and giving fans a reason to pay to see you again."

:lol: Mike Tyson, Tommy Hearns, Leonard all entertained. I guess they fought stupid?:dunno:Leonard had his share of stinkfests.

[jarhead]

Diccionart from the Average Joe Fight Fan:

Leave it all on the ring: "To brawl. To fight stupid and make mistakes possibly even get hurt by a punch something he didn't see walking foward with his hands low".

Absolutely. And that is why people loved to watch Gatti. Defense is great as long as there is an offense to go with it. If Floyd was defensive fighter that he is, but then landed a crushing 5 punch combo, the crowd would go bonkers. But he was happy taking the one punch and moving away, the same way he did with Baldomir.

[*Z*]

I can't stand watching Floyd. One shot, run, hold, bend over as far as he can so that all that is open is an illegal back of the head shot. lol What a fucking Joke.

[Hanzy]

I have nothing against Floyd's style of fighting. Just don't demand that people pay to see you fight, nor talk sh*t about killing fighters in the ring as if you're Tyson which you're clearly not. And cut the thug act. Other than that, it's all good.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

I have nothing against Floyd's style of fighting. Just don't demand that people pay to see you fight, nor talk sh*t about killing fighters in the ring as if you're Tyson which you're clearly not. And cut the thug act. Other than that, it's all good.Hes only trying to sell tickets and PPV. If you have ever seen Floyd fight before you will know this.

Its just like when Oscar says he is in the best shape of his life. Do you really believe that.

[*Z*]

I have nothing against Floyd's style of fighting. Just don't demand that people pay to see you fight, nor talk sh*t about killing fighters in the ring as if you're Tyson which you're clearly not. And cut the thug act. Other than that, it's all good.

Exactly. Let be honest here. Floyd should just say "Yeah I plan to be as safe as I can, throw one shot at a time, hold when the other guy gets close and if I'm not holding I'll bend over and touch my forehead to the canvas so I can't be hit."

[*Z*]

Hes only trying to sell tickets and PPV. If you have ever seen Floyd fight before you will know this.

Its just like when Oscar says he is in the best shape of his life. Do you really believe that.

He looked to be in pretty damn good shape to me. It's not like he said that and came in fat.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

He looked to be in pretty damn good shape to me. It's not like he said that and came in fat.Yeah he did. He still looked tired at the end from doing a whole lot of nothing in the fight.

[*Z*]

Yeah he did. He still looked tired at the end from doing a whole lot of nothing in the fight.

A whole lot of chasing Floyd around you mean. Oscar never took a backward step.

[Dollar-Fifty78]

A whole lot of chasing Floyd around you mean. Oscar never took a backward step.
Easy now can't you see dude is cross-eye'd?:dunno:

[jarhead]

I couldn't help but wonder what the ref would do if DLH clubbed him everytime he gave up his back or lowered his head:nono: :dunno:

[*Z*]

I couldn't help but wonder what the ref would do if DLH clubbed him everytime he gave up his back or lowered his head:nono: :dunno:

I'd have punched that fucker in the back of the head every time he gave it to me. How is that even legal really?

[jarhead]

I'd have punched that fucker in the back of the head every time he gave it to me. How is that even legal really?

its not, he should have been warned and points deducted everytime after, it ranks in there with clinching, it should be warned and points deducted there after also. Do the refs do it? Well Roy got Nady to:dunno:

[Tyler Durden]

Leave it all in the ring: "To make an effort. To fight as if you actually give a sh*t and giving fans a reason to pay to see you again."

:lol: Mike Tyson, Tommy Hearns, Leonard all entertained. I guess they fought stupid?:dunno:

....didn't fight stupid, they FOUGHT :popcorn:

[Tyler Durden]

I can't stand watching Floyd. One shot, run, hold, bend over as far as he can so that all that is open is an illegal back of the head shot. lol What a fucking Joke.

Looks like we need to start a FRAUDcott :blobbox:

[Tyler Durden]

Hes only trying to sell tickets and PPV. If you have ever seen Floyd fight before you will know this.

Its just like when Oscar says he is in the best shape of his life. Do you really believe that.

He may have, but I don't think he realized how much energy he was going to expend running after Floyd :dunno:

[Tyler Durden]

I couldn't help but wonder what the ref would do if DLH clubbed him everytime he gave up his back or lowered his head:nono: :dunno:

:bears:

[*Z*]

Looks like we need to start a FRAUDcott :blobbox:

Sing me up. Floyd will not see one cent of PPV money from me ever again.

[Hanzy]

Sing me up. Floyd will not see one cent of PPV money from me ever again.

He should never have seen it the first time, Z.:lol: After Floyd/Baldomir, you should've known.

[*Z*]

He should never have seen it the first time, Z.:lol: After Floyd/Baldomir, you should've known.

I'm a sucker for a big event. I also watched it for free. :lol:

[Father of Muzse]

I couldn't help but wonder what the ref would do if DLH clubbed him everytime he gave up his back or lowered his head:nono: :dunno:

Called Floyd "Baby seal" then let the fight continue? :dunno:

If a guy opens up his side, punch him in the side. That's what Rahman did to Toney. Toney ended up with a lacerated kidney.

I didn't feel sorry for him.

[TKO]

I'm a sucker for a big event. I also watched it for free. :lol:

It wasnt even PPV over here !!

[KaukipRrr]

Called Floyd "Baby seal" then let the fight continue? :dunno:

If a guy opens up his side, punch him in the side. That's what Rahman did to Toney. Toney ended up with a lacerated kidney.

I didn't feel sorry for him.

:bears: :bears:

[LOK]

this is so retarded

Just like Larry Merchant, hating on "boxers"

I hate the casual fan, only wanted to see wild swinging bums with no defense, trade shots to the head with no slipping or blocking

I LOVE to see masters like FLoyd, Pea.. etc..

People miss the art, the sweet science and assholes like Larry make it worse! hating on Floyd and always so negative

Floyd is a GREAT "BOXER" Boxing is hit and dont get hit! FLoyd DOMINATED DLH and gets flack from idiots:doh:

[LATIN KING]

this is so retarded

Just like Larry Merchant, hating on "boxers"

I hate the casual fan, only wanted to see wild swinging bums with no defense, trade shots to the head with no slipping or blocking

I LOVE to see masters like FLoyd, Pea.. etc..

People miss the art, the sweet science and assholes like Larry make it worse! hating on Floyd and always so negative

Floyd is a GREAT "BOXER" Boxing is hit and dont get hit! FLoyd DOMINATED DLH and gets flack from idiots:doh:I know you love Shane do you think he beats Floyd?:popcorn:

[*Z*]

I guess MMA is more my style then. If that is what the best boxers in the world do, I don't care to see it.

[Mitchell Kane]

this is so retarded

Just like Larry Merchant, hating on "boxers"

I hate the casual fan, only wanted to see wild swinging bums with no defense, trade shots to the head with no slipping or blocking

I LOVE to see masters like FLoyd, Pea.. etc..

People miss the art, the sweet science and assholes like Larry make it worse! hating on Floyd and always so negative

Floyd is a GREAT "BOXER" Boxing is hit and dont get hit! FLoyd DOMINATED DLH and gets flack from idiots:doh:

I don't think Mayweather is as much of a master as Pea was.

He is the best doing it right now, though.

[*Z*]

I don't think Mayweather is as much of a master as Pea was.

He is the best doing it right now, though.

Pea was better. No doubt about it.

[LATIN KING]

Pea was better. No doubt about it.and he did it against way better competition.:blobbox:

[LOK]

I know you love Shane do you think he beats Floyd?:popcorn:

Tough one,

I used to workout with a guy that did pad work for Too sharp and he said he worked with Shane and he really didnt like him.. said he slapped too much..

I have always liked Shane, Earlier on better though.. he was great as a Busy, VOlume guy.. good power but just the volume and body work would break people down.

Floyd is no doubt the better pure boxer but Shane is bigger, stronger and is faster than DLH..

Still... I'd probably say FLoyd wins right now, Shane for some reason has become more of a one punch at a time, loading up guy..

I think Shane has more of a chance than DLH "IF" he was busy.. and attached the body a lot..

I think Shane looked GREAT againest collazo but still I'd say FLoyd would outpoint him but it would be tougher than the DLH fight

[LOK]

I don't think Mayweather is as much of a master as Pea was.

He is the best doing it right now, though.

Well, I agree but I think Pea was maybe the best ever. I think FLoyd hits harder though

[*Z*]

and he did it against way better competition.:blobbox:

And he didn't hold or touch his forehead to the ground so that he couldn't be hit. He just slipped, ducked and dodged.

[LOK]

I guess MMA is more my style then. If that is what the best boxers in the world do, I don't care to see it.

I love MMA and I love toughman too..

but I also love seeing pure boxers having their way like that.. just SCHOOLING!

if you have boxed and fought a guy like that it is very frustrating.. to have a guy you can not hit and just stays relaxed and dominates..

[*Z*]

I love MMA and I love toughman too..

but I also love seeing pure boxers having their way like that.. just SCHOOLING!

if you have boxed and fought a guy like that it is very frustrating.. to have a guy you can not hit and just stays relaxed and dominates..

I just didn't see the schooling some of you saw. I saw Floyd doing very little and being defensive the whole time and giving away rounds to Oscars activity. It didn't have to be a close fight, obviously Floyd is the better boxer, but he cannot fight guys this big, he's on the defense too much and he loses rounds just because he does nothing.

[Pascals Wager]

No, that's just speculating.

What it only really proved is this: Floyd Mayweather is a better fighter than Oscar de la Hoya.

We're both indulging in speculation.
That's what opinion is.
As such, your claim in itself is far from being indubitable.
All, that was "proved" was that PBF on that night was given the decision against that version of DLH on that night.

[dsimon3387]

Well, I agree but I think Pea was maybe the best ever. I think FLoyd hits harder though

dsimon writes:

Amen brother the pea was it!!:bears:

[boxingnotboxers]

Well, I agree but I think Pea was maybe the best ever. I think FLoyd hits harder though

I disagree. When Whitaker was facing fighters past his prime at 147 and 154, he actually had knockouts (especially that brutal one on Hurtado), and a KNOCKDOWN on a young DLH (yes I know it was a positition thing, it counted :tease:) .


But I will also say that the "he didn't win the way he should have" talk about Mayweather's win over DLH shows our overall immature mentality. I'm not aware of other sports where somebody wins and the fans complain in that particular way. Ref calls, hometown bias, etc I understand, but let me know when we start saying "sure they won the NBA Finals, but all they did was shoot threes. A REAL championship team would've gone to the line more.:dunno:"

[*Z*]

I disagree. When Whitaker was facing fighters past his prime at 147 and 154, he actually had knockouts (especially that brutal one on Hurtado), and a KNOCKDOWN on a young DLH (yes I know it was a positition thing, it counted :tease:) .


But I will also say that the "he didn't win the way he should have" talk about Mayweather's win over DLH shows our overall immature mentality. I'm not aware of other sports where somebody wins and the fans complain in that particular way. Ref calls, hometown bias, etc I understand, but let me know when we start saying "sure they won the NBA Finals, but all they did was shoot threes. A REAL championship team would've gone to the line more.:dunno:"

Not that I want to make a habit of complimenting Floyd, but he did actually buckle Oscar at one point.

[LOK]

later in life Pea HAD to hit harder cuz you lose your speed.

I had and still have Pea WINNING the DLH fight

but I think Floyd has pretty good POP in his shots... Pea didnt seem to have as much steam on them (in general)

The hurdado fight was great, over the course of his career though he was not a real hard puncher


I disagree. When Whitaker was facing fighters past his prime at 147 and 154, he actually had knockouts (especially that brutal one on Hurtado), and a KNOCKDOWN on a young DLH (yes I know it was a positition thing, it counted :tease:) .


But I will also say that the "he didn't win the way he should have" talk about Mayweather's win over DLH shows our overall immature mentality. I'm not aware of other sports where somebody wins and the fans complain in that particular way. Ref calls, hometown bias, etc I understand, but let me know when we start saying "sure they won the NBA Finals, but all they did was shoot threes. A REAL championship team would've gone to the line more.:dunno:"

[boxingnotboxers]

Not that I want to make a habit of complimenting Floyd, but he did actually buckle Oscar at one point.

Shhh! Careful, or someone might believe that :warning:

I think he stunned DLH, but Floyd just ran, so he couldn't have done that. He ruins boxing.

[*Z*]

Shhh! Careful, or someone might believe that :warning:

I think he stunned DLH, but Floyd just ran, so he couldn't have done that. He ruins boxing.

I don't think Floyd really ran. I think he uses some borderline illigal tactics though and a lot of them. The elbow and the bend over until nothing is showing but his back move.

[Tyler Durden]

Sing me up. Floyd will not see one cent of PPV money from me ever again.

:bears: done!

[Tyler Durden]

I disagree. When Whitaker was facing fighters past his prime at 147 and 154, he actually had knockouts (especially that brutal one on Hurtado), and a KNOCKDOWN on a young DLH (yes I know it was a positition thing, it counted :tease:) .


But I will also say that the "he didn't win the way he should have" talk about Mayweather's win over DLH shows our overall immature mentality. I'm not aware of other sports where somebody wins and the fans complain in that particular way. Ref calls, hometown bias, etc I understand, but let me know when we start saying "sure they won the NBA Finals, but all they did was shoot threes. A REAL championship team would've gone to the line more.:dunno:"


GTFO with the accolades he gets. This was an overrhyped piece of shit PPV and Floyd didn't fight like the champ he claims to be. I will repeat this as many times as you want to repeat yours :rolleyes: Another terrible analogy using a team sport, terrible.

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

We're both indulging in speculation.
That's what opinion is.
As such, your claim in itself is far from being indubitable.
All, that was "proved" was that PBF on that night was given the decision against that version of DLH on that night.
So if beating an opponent doesn't cut it, what does a boxer has to do to be called better than him? :lol:

[Pascals Wager]

So if beating an opponent doesn't cut it, what does a boxer has to do to be called better than him? :lol:

The point is that he fact that he barely squeeked by a past prime DLH who had fought once in 2 yrs. That does not make prime PBF a better fighter than prime DLH. There is a thread over @ boxing fanatics about who is the greater fighter in their respective primes. It's fairly even, depending on which weight they would fight at.
Lewis DESTROYED Tyson. To say that Tyson was further removed from his prime than DLH is would be an understatement, but Lewis annihilated him. That doesn't mean everyone thinks that Lewis is better than Tyson prime v prime. Opinion is divided. That's because opinions aren't facts. They are speculation. There are many more examples. Hopefully you see my point.

Opinions are speculative. You can speculate, based on PBF squeezing past a past prime DLH who had fought once in 2 yrs, that he would also beat a prime DLH. I didn't see much in his performance to indubitably suggest that.
Similarly, based on PBF squeezing past a past prime DLH who had fought once in 2 yrs, I see no reason to speculate that he is in the same league as SRL, Hearns & Hagler (as some have suggested).
In fact, squeaking by a past prime DLH who had fought once in 2 yrs in the way that he did is not enough for me to consider him any better than a touch below DLH, Tito & possibly Mosley.
By the way, that still makes him a damn good fighter. Trouble is, he & his fans carry on as though he is an all-time great. His performance on sat night did not indicate as much.
Could you imagine what a prime SRL, or Hearns would have done against the DLH that was in the ring against PBF?

PBF was judged to be the winner against a past prime DLH who had fought once in 2 yrs via split decision. That's the fact. That's all that we can say as a fact. Everything else is opinion. (speculation).

[Tyler Durden]

I warned you mofo's......more to come. Spinx/Taylor is just the tip of the iceburg. Here me now, believe me later :flip:

[Rubio MHS]

I warned you mofo's......more to come. Spinx/Taylor is just the tip of the iceburg. Here me now, believe me later :flip:Yeah. Curse Floyd Mayweather for inventing boxing on the outside. :dunno:

[Tyler Durden]

Yeah. Curse Floyd Mayweather for inventing boxing on the outside. :dunno:

.....while his head on the floor and his back in front of him while skating around the ring to avoid fighting :bears:

[Rubio MHS]

.....while his head on the floor and his back in front of him while skating around the ring to avoid fighting :bears:What the fuck do you think boxing is? Joe Frazier bobbed his head even worse - used it to set up the headbutt. Mayweather easily handled Oscar in the middle of the ring; he only ran to keep from getting trapped on the corner. Didn't you watch the fight?

[Tyler Durden]

The only thing I know, people are complaining about the VERY thing Floyd does to win, on Taylor and Spinks.

This tells me their undying love for Floyd clouds their judgement. All I am saying is, wakeup people. You want people to just do enough to win, then you guys need to start liking these kind of fights instead of bitching about them. Floyd showed the roadmap to win. Taylor and Spinks tried to follow the map, ONLY they didn't fight in a "Superfight" :nono: :rolleyes:

They need more slack, or join the bandwagon :stir:
Those are your only two options :bears:

[Rubio MHS]

The only thing I know, people are complaining about the VERY thing Floyd does to win, on Taylor and Spinks.But why not blame Muhammad Ali? :dunno:

[Tyler Durden]

But why not blame Muhammad Ali? :dunno:

:lol:

[Free Ike]

The only thing I know, people are complaining about the VERY thing Floyd does to win, on Taylor and Spinks.

This tells me their undying love for Floyd clouds their judgement. All I am saying is, wakeup people. You want people to just do enough to win, then you guys need to start liking these kind of fights instead of bitching about them. Floyd showed the roadmap to win. Taylor and Spinks tried to follow the map, ONLY they didn't fight in a "Superfight" :nono: :rolleyes:

They need more slack, or join the bandwagon :stir:
Those are your only two options :bears:
I will grant you that his performances against DLH and Baldomir were just flat out disgraceful. He needs to fight guys like Cotto/Margarito/Hatton and forget about guys that are big and have some skill.

[Tyler Durden]

I will grant you that his performances against DLH and Baldomir were just flat out disgraceful. He needs to fight guys like Cotto/Margarito/Hatton and forget about guys that are big and have some skill.

You forgot about Castillo 2. The cycle must be stopped and we must rise and say enough is enough. Unless you want to keep hearing about MMA compared to boxing. I will not be part of the farces anymore. I will protest in hopes the cott will grow and make a change :popcorn:

[Free Ike]

You forgot about Castillo 2. The cycle must be stopped and we must rise and say enough is enough. Unless you want to keep hearing about MMA compared to boxing. I will not be part of the farces anymore. I will protest in hopes the cott will grow and make a change :popcorn:
I have supported Floyd for years, but enough is enough. He has great skills but I'd rather watch a show on bowel movements than Floyd fight nowdays. Add me to the bandwagon.

[Tyler Durden]

I have supported Floyd for years, but enough is enough. He has great skills but I'd rather watch a show on bowel movements than Floyd fight nowdays. Add me to the bandwagon.

:bears: together we can make a change! Grass roots :blobbox:

[teamtucker2007]

......now there will be a whole new generation of boxers that will run more than they will fight to win..... thanks for nothing Floyd.

So you dont appreciate boxing, you like brawling, brawling is easy, no skills in it at all...boxing is the name of the sport, moving, hitting without getting hit..Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones, Floyd Jr, Sugar Ray Leonard, Ali, played a big part in making boxing what is is today, you have to appreciate their boxing skills, they spent their lives shaping their style into something they felt the world would appreciate. I give em all praise. Even though me myself have a boxer/brawler style!!

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

So you dont appreciate boxing, you like brawling, brawling is easy, no skills in it at all...boxing is the name of the sport, moving, hitting without getting hit..Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones, Floyd Jr, Sugar Ray Leonard, Ali, played a big part in making boxing what is is today, you have to appreciate their boxing skills, they spent their lives shaping their style into something they felt the world would appreciate. I give em all praise. Even though me myself have a boxer/brawler style!!

But haven't they learn..? THE WORLD doesn't appreciate their styles....:cheer: i can appreciate it but every now and then you gotta show some fucking balls...ali, leonard, whitaker all did it...

[Tyler Durden]

So you dont appreciate boxing, you like brawling, brawling is easy, no skills in it at all...boxing is the name of the sport, moving, hitting without getting hit..Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones, Floyd Jr, Sugar Ray Leonard, Ali, played a big part in making boxing what is is today, you have to appreciate their boxing skills, they spent their lives shaping their style into something they felt the world would appreciate. I give em all praise. Even though me myself have a boxer/brawler style!!

Why do you people insist on telling me what I like? Quit comparing fighters that actually TRY and win to Floyd who does just BARELY enough to win. You like that shit for a "superfight" then people like you are the blame for boxings death :flip:

[Tyler Durden]

But haven't they learn..? THE WORLD doesn't appreciate their styles....:cheer: i can appreciate it but every now and then you gotta show some fucking balls...ali, leonard, whitaker all did it...

No, they are just like Floyd :notallthere:

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

Now Whitaker is more exciting than Floyd. :lol:

[Tyler Durden]

Now Whitaker is more exciting than Floyd. :lol:

At least he fought.

[valdosta]

The point is that he fact that he barely squeeked by a past prime DLH who had fought once in 2 yrs. That does not make prime PBF a better fighter than prime DLH. There is a thread over @ boxing fanatics about who is the greater fighter in their respective primes. It's fairly even, depending on which weight they would fight at.
Lewis DESTROYED Tyson. To say that Tyson was further removed from his prime than DLH is would be an understatement, but Lewis annihilated him. That doesn't mean everyone thinks that Lewis is better than Tyson prime v prime. Opinion is divided. That's because opinions aren't facts. They are speculation. There are many more examples. Hopefully you see my point.

Opinions are speculative. You can speculate, based on PBF squeezing past a past prime DLH who had fought once in 2 yrs, that he would also beat a prime DLH. I didn't see much in his performance to indubitably suggest that.
Similarly, based on PBF squeezing past a past prime DLH who had fought once in 2 yrs, I see no reason to speculate that he is in the same league as SRL, Hearns & Hagler (as some have suggested).
In fact, squeaking by a past prime DLH who had fought once in 2 yrs in the way that he did is not enough for me to consider him any better than a touch below DLH, Tito & possibly Mosley.
By the way, that still makes him a damn good fighter. Trouble is, he & his fans carry on as though he is an all-time great. His performance on sat night did not indicate as much.
Could you imagine what a prime SRL, or Hearns would have done against the DLH that was in the ring against PBF?

PBF was judged to be the winner against a past prime DLH who had fought once in 2 yrs via split decision. That's the fact. That's all that we can say as a fact. Everything else is opinion. (speculation).

That's a 1 sided post. How about the facts that ODLH is much bigger than Floyd. How about the fact he weighed a good bit more and that Floyd has moved up weight classes very quickly. Then again I guess size don't really matter when boxing huh? :notallthere: People can talk about oscar not being in his prime all they want but Floyd mayweather at 154 is not a prime fighter either. I pick a few guys at that weight division to defeat him.

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

LOL.

[valdosta]

Oh and BTW, Floyd stinks out the joint here and there but Spinks stinks out the joint in every fight. There is no comparison.

[Tyler Durden]

That's a 1 sided post. How about the facts that ODLH is much bigger than Floyd. How about the fact he weighed a good bit more and that Floyd has moved up weight classes very quickly. Then again I guess size don't really matter when boxing huh? :notallthere: People can talk about oscar not being in his prime all they want but Floyd mayweather at 154 is not a prime fighter either. I pick a few guys at that weight division to defeat him.

4 pounds, are you freaking kidding me? A past his prime DLH, he should have humiliated him with his phoney p4p status :nono:

I guess Jones needs more credit than what I am willing to give him, and I'm a big fan :nono:

[Tyler Durden]

Oh and BTW, Floyd stinks out the joint here and there but Spinks stinks out the joint in every fight. There is no comparison.

So we agree Floyd pulled a spinks on the biggest night of his life, and Taylor gets shit on for NOT fighting a superfight even though I'm sure Floyd influenced him to justr take the W too. If you are going to hate on Taylor who ISN"t a p4p anything, you must hate on Floyd.

[Double L]

That's a 1 sided post. How about the facts that ODLH is much bigger than Floyd. How about the fact he weighed a good bit more and that Floyd has moved up weight classes very quickly. Then again I guess size don't really matter when boxing huh? :notallthere: People can talk about oscar not being in his prime all they want but Floyd mayweather at 154 is not a prime fighter either. I pick a few guys at that weight division to defeat him.

yeah but i don't think size really played a part in their fight. i mean, p4p ODH is always gonna be a big puncher compared to PBF. that means PBF is always gonna fight him in the same defensive posture. in a p4p, prime for prime fight, the guy who's gonna do things different is ODH. he's gonna throw more, be quicker on his feet, and have better reflexes. PBF, at his absolute best, isn't gonna look much different.

[Rubio MHS]

yeah but i don't think size really played a part in their fight. i mean, p4p ODH is always gonna be a big puncher compared to PBF. that means PBF is always gonna fight him in the same defensive posture. in a p4p, prime for prime fight, the guy who's gonna do things different is ODH. he's gonna throw more, be quicker on his feet, and have better reflexes. PBF, at his absolute best, isn't gonna look much different.Idiot. If De la Hoya hadn't been able to bully Mayweather into the ropes, he wouldn't have won a single fucking round.

[LOK]

you guys take it up the butt

[Double L]

Idiot. If De la Hoya hadn't been able to bully Mayweather into the ropes, he wouldn't have won a single fucking round.

idiot. Corley "bullied" PBF on the ropes. Castillo "bullied" PBF on the ropes. Carlos Hernandez "bullied" PBF on the ropes. Baldomir "bullied" PBF on the ropes. God !!! Idiot !!!

[Neil]

:bears: :bears: :bears:

This fight proved one thing. PBF is NOT the nearly fighter SRL was.

he sure isn't as good a welterweight as leonard. people act like it is some sort of insult to say mayweather isn't as good as leonard. WHO IS?

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

No, they are just like Floyd :notallthere:

Ali didn't show heart in the Frazier I and III...Norton fight?...incredible courage in the Liston I fight...Whitaker against Mayweather, Trinidad, Hurtado..Leonard actually fought..fight..did combat vs. Hearns...Mayweather would run out of the ring..if he had to fight Hearns..

[Tyler Durden]

Ali didn't show heart in the Frazier I and III...Norton fight?...incredible courage in the Liston I fight...Whitaker against Mayweather, Trinidad, Hurtado..Leonard actually fought..fight..did combat vs. Hearns...Mayweather would run out of the ring..if he had to fight Hearns..

What? I understood the last part.

[Rubio MHS]

idiot. Corley "bullied" PBF on the ropes. Castillo "bullied" PBF on the ropes. Carlos Hernandez "bullied" PBF on the ropes. Baldomir "bullied" PBF on the ropes. God !!! Idiot !!!Yeah, and all of them were bigger than Floyd. Size played an part in all of those fights, except for the Hernandez fight. If you think that Hernandez did any "bullying" on Floyd, you simply haven't seen the fight.

[Tyler Durden]

Yeah, and all of them were bigger than Floyd. Size played an part in all of those fights, except for the Hernandez fight. If you think that Hernandez did any "bullying" on Floyd, you simply haven't seen the fight.

....and Floyd had reach on them. That's what really counts, not an afternoon dump.

[Rubio MHS]

....and Floyd had reach on them. That's what really counts, not an afternoon dump.I'm a huge fan of reach as well, but simple strength allowed Castillo and De la Hoya push Mayweather into the ropes, where he's not at his best.

[Tyler Durden]

I'm a huge fan of reach as well, but simple strength allowed Castillo and De la Hoya push Mayweather into the ropes, where he's not at his best.

I don't see Mayweather being dominated by Corley or Castillo by size. Floyd was at his best against the ropes against Castillo 2 because that kept him the furthest away from him as possible as he ran track.

[Rubio MHS]

Um, Mayweather's never been dominated. He's never lost!

[Tyler Durden]

Um, Mayweather's never been dominated. He's never lost!

....on paper.

[valdosta]

yeah but i don't think size really played a part in their fight. i mean, p4p ODH is always gonna be a big puncher compared to PBF. that means PBF is always gonna fight him in the same defensive posture. in a p4p, prime for prime fight, the guy who's gonna do things different is ODH. he's gonna throw more, be quicker on his feet, and have better reflexes. PBF, at his absolute best, isn't gonna look much different.

Go back and watch an earlier Oscar fight and then look at him against Floyd. Oscar is bigger and stronger than he was earlier in his career. P4P this prime that whatever. The reality is Oscar was a lot stronger and bigger than Floyd. he still lost though. :bears:

[valdosta]

4 pounds, are you freaking kidding me? A past his prime DLH, he should have humiliated him with his phoney p4p status :nono:

I guess Jones needs more credit than what I am willing to give him, and I'm a big fan :nono:

Oscar weighed a good bit more than Floyd when they walked into the ring although he didn't allow walk in weights. ODLH had at least a 10 pound advantage IMO.

[valdosta]

So we agree Floyd pulled a spinks on the biggest night of his life, and Taylor gets shit on for NOT fighting a superfight even though I'm sure Floyd influenced him to justr take the W too. If you are going to hate on Taylor who ISN"t a p4p anything, you must hate on Floyd.

No I don't agree with that. Floyd actually landed clean punches and sat down on some of his punches while Spinks was just trying to steal the fight against Taylor.

[Rubio MHS]

Floyd was planting his feet and landing power punches all night long. The comparison to Spinks is stupid, even for Fightbeat.

[Tyler Durden]

Oscar weighed a good bit more than Floyd when they walked into the ring although he didn't allow walk in weights. ODLH had at least a 10 pound advantage IMO.

Speculation and Jones did more than that EVERYTIME and made it look easy.

[Tyler Durden]

No I don't agree with that. Floyd actually landed clean punches and sat down on some of his punches while Spinks was just trying to steal the fight against Taylor.

What do you think Floyd was doing by waiting for DLH to get tired and never mixing it up?

[valdosta]

Speculation and Jones did more than that EVERYTIME and made it look easy.

Jones was outweighed by Ruiz by a lot. other than that Roy fought a lot of guys taller than himself but the walk in the ring weights were usually about the same.

[valdosta]

What do you think Floyd was doing by waiting for DLH to get tired and never mixing it up?

He wasn't running and trying to BS the judges like Spinks was :nono: Floyd would go to the ropes ODLH would throw BS flurries and then typically Floyd would do his work after that.

[Tyler Durden]

Jones was outweighed by Ruiz by a lot. other than that Roy fought a lot of guys taller than himself but the walk in the ring weights were usually about the same.

:laughing: Floyd gets kudos for 4 pounds but Jones gets no credit for 10-20 on MANY occassions. They were taller and bigger but the same, big deal.....do you listen to yourself?

[Tyler Durden]

He wasn't running and trying to BS the judges like Spinks was :nono: Floyd would go to the ropes ODLH would throw BS flurries and then typically Floyd would do his work after that.

Yes, he ran, and yes he turned his back.

[mikE]

:laughing: Floyd gets kudos for 4 pounds but Jones gets no credit for 10-20 on MANY occassions. They were taller and bigger but the same, big deal.....do you listen to yourself?

wtf are you talking about? Roy has admitted to coming into the ring at 175 when he boxed at middleweight. So there won't be any instances of him being outweighed by 10 lbs before he moved up.

Then play boxrec warrior and you'll see that his opponents often weighed similar (or less) than Roy.

Sure, he's fought bigger men...Hall and Tarver come to mind...but these guys aren't 10 lbs heavier than him on fight night, are they? Even if these two were, that leaves you with a lot of names to get to your MANY claim.

I'm going by not having any memory of hbo weights that justify your claim or ever hearing about it before...supplemented with boxrec warrioring...if I'm wrong and roy was outweighed by 10-20 lbs by MANY opponents...well, I'll be glad to admit i'm wrong.

[Tyler Durden]

wtf are you talking about? Roy has admitted to coming into the ring at 175 when he boxed at middleweight. So there won't be any instances of him being outweighed by 10 lbs before he moved up.

Then play boxrec warrior and you'll see that his opponents often weighed similar (or less) than Roy.

Sure, he's fought bigger men...Hall and Tarver come to mind...but these guys aren't 10 lbs heavier than him on fight night, are they? Even if these two were, that leaves you with a lot of names to get to your MANY claim.

I'm going by not having any memory of hbo weights that justify your claim or ever hearing about it before...supplemented with boxrec warrioring...if I'm wrong and roy was outweighed by 10-20 lbs by MANY opponents...well, I'll be glad to admit i'm wrong.

Let's just say it's safe to say you are wrong on MANY accounts. That's more than a few for the lay....I don't need to play boxrec warrior because I would bet the house I have seen ALL of his fights 10 fold to the times you have....I used to make copies day and night and GIVE them away.....boxrec =/

[Rubio MHS]

This topic is stupid. Sure, Roy Jones was outweighed by a few opponents, but they were all shitheads, like John Ruiz and Richard Hall.

[Tyler Durden]

This topic is stupid. Sure, Roy Jones was outweighed by a few opponents, but they were all shitheads, like John Ruiz and Richard Hall.

Exactly, so a few pounds for Floyd= Greatness

More than a few pounds for Roy= Pathetic

I'm glad we got past this silliness. It was ridiculous bringing this up in the first place :bears:

[Rubio MHS]

Exactly, so a few pounds for Floyd= Greatness

More than a few pounds for Roy= Pathetic

I'm glad we got past this silliness. It was ridiculous bringing this up in the first place :bears:15 pounds against an all-time-great like De la Hoya = something

20 pounds against John Ruiz = nothing

[Neil]

roy beating ruiz was a more impressive victory for jones than delahoya was for mayweather.

this clown talking about jones being outweighed is a goofball however. there wasn't a single Lhw bout where jones was outweighed by 10lbs

[mikE]

Let's just say it's safe to say you are wrong on MANY accounts. That's more than a few for the lay....I don't need to play boxrec warrior because I would bet the house I have seen ALL of his fights 10 fold to the times you have....I used to make copies day and night and GIVE them away.....boxrec =/

Name some of the MANY.

[Neil]

...I used to make copies day and night and GIVE them away.....boxrec =/

you're quite the philanthropist

[Tyler Durden]

this clown talking about jones being outweighed is a goofball however. there wasn't a single Lhw bout where jones was outweighed by 10lbs

You are wrong. If 4 pounds is a big deal......you saying he weighed less of a difference against LH's and Toney?

[Tyler Durden]

Name some of the MANY.

You named some of them, how many more do I have to name until I get to Floyd status :lol:

[Tyler Durden]

15 pounds against an all-time-great like De la Hoya = something

20 pounds against John Ruiz = nothing

15 pounds?
:nono:

[Rubio MHS]

15 pounds?
:nono:Of course De la Hoya put on 10 pounds or so after the weigh-in. He looked bigger and stronger than he had at any point in his career.

[Tyler Durden]

Of course De la Hoya put on 10 pounds or so after the weigh-in. He looked bigger and stronger than he had at any point in his career.

Yeah, and the MUCH bigger opponents Jones fought LOST weight :lol:

[Rubio MHS]

Yeah, and the MUCH bigger opponents Jones fought LOST weight :lol:Which "much bigger" opponents did Jones beat that were as accomplished as Oscar de la Hoya? Jones beat a few larger fighters, but they were all journeymen.

[Alabama_Man]

P4P Roy Jones Jr would crush Fraud.

[Tyler Durden]

Which "much bigger" opponents did Jones beat that were as accomplished as Oscar de la Hoya? Jones beat a few larger fighters, but they were all journeymen.

It's funny going back in full cirlce where weight suddenly is meaningless :clap:

[Neil]

You are wrong. If 4 pounds is a big deal......you saying he weighed less of a difference against LH's and Toney?

nobody can be this ignorant. jones came into Lhw bouts in the 180s....183 ....i guess his opponents were gaining 20 or 25lbs after the weighins..since YOU claimed jones was outweighed by ten to fifteen lbs MANY times....the one name you actually cite as having a weight advantage over jones...james toney, the guy ppl were literally running to the sportsbooks to bet against after he weighed in

[Rubio MHS]

Floyd Mayweather beat a much bigger Oscar de la Hoya.
Oscar de la Hoya is a very accomplished fighter.
Roy Jones beat much larger Richard Hall and John Ruiz.
Richard Hall and John Ruiz aren't very accomplished fighters.

[Tyler Durden]

nobody can be this ignorant. jones came into Lhw bouts in the 180s....183 ....i guess his opponents were gaining 20 or 25lbs after the weighins..since YOU claimed jones was outweighed by ten to fifteen lbs MANY times....the one name you actually cite as having a weight advantage over jones...james toney, the guy ppl were literally running to the sportsbooks to bet against after he weighed in

Right, now we are taking away fights. James Toney is one, now let's take away DeValle. You keep taking them away, I guess I can't say more than a few :notallthere:

[Tyler Durden]

Floyd Mayweather beat a much bigger Oscar de la Hoya.
Oscar de la Hoya is a very accomplished fighter.
Roy Jones beat much larger Richard Hall and John Ruiz.
Richard Hall and John Ruiz aren't very accomplished fighters.


Quit saying DLH is "MUCH BIGGER"
Ruiz isn't an accomplished fighter? :notallthere:

[Free Ike]

Roy was boring to me, but Floyd is light years behind Roy lately. His fights with Baldomir and DLH were Stinks level fights. I liked the Judah fight. He also stunk it out against the skilless bum Castillo in both fights.

[Alabama_Man]

Roy was boring to me, but Floyd is light years behind Roy lately. His fights with Baldomir and DLH were Stinks level fights. I liked the Judah fight. He also stunk it out against the skilless bum Castillo in both fights.

Fraud and Spinks both have the same level of smelliness in my opinion. Fraud probably smells like 2 week old bum shit in an alley, and Spinks smells like wet dog shit.

[Tyler Durden]

Fraud and Spinks both have the same level of smelliness in my opinion. Fraud probably smells like 2 week old bum shit in an alley, and Spinks smells like wet dog shit.

That's a good analogy.

[Free Ike]

Fraud and Spinks both have the same level of smelliness in my opinion. Fraud probably smells like 2 week old bum shit in an alley, and Spinks smells like wet dog shit.
I disagree. Stinks is ALWAYS in putrid fights without exception. At best, he was in well below average fights with Judah. Floyd is often dull, but he has had some decent fights Corrales, N'dou, Corley(seriously), Zab, and others.

[Alabama_Man]

I disagree. Stinks is ALWAYS in putrid fights without exception. At best, he was in well below average fights with Judah. Floyd is often dull, but he has had some decent fights Corrales, N'dou, Corley(seriously), Zab, and others.

I agree I would less likely throw acid in Fraud's face than Spinks if I had only a limited amount of acid.

But if I had two shots, all bets would be off.

[Rubio MHS]

Quit saying DLH is "MUCH BIGGER"
Ruiz isn't an accomplished fighter? :notallthere:Not compared to Oscar de la Hoya. Mayweather beat a great fighter who outweighed him by quite a bit. Roy Jones beat a mediocre fighter who outweighed him by quite a bit.

[Tyler Durden]

Not compared to Oscar de la Hoya. Mayweather beat a great fighter who outweighed him by quite a bit. Roy Jones beat a mediocre fighter who outweighed him by quite a bit.

Toney is not mediocre no matter how Roy made him look. Floyd squeeked by with a split decion by avoiding action from a past it DLH who has the record for controversial wins. Let's leave Jones out of this :clap:

[Neil]

Not compared to Oscar de la Hoya. Mayweather beat a great fighter who outweighed him by quite a bit. Roy Jones beat a mediocre fighter who outweighed him by quite a bit.

ruiz was the more impressive victory. ruiz had beaten more credible opposition leading up to the jones bout (and subsequently)than delahoya had going into the mayweather bout..AND jones won easier

[Rubio MHS]

Toney is not mediocre no matter how Roy made him look. Floyd squeeked by with a split decion by avoiding action from a past it DLH who has the record for controversial wins. Let's leave Jones out of this :clap:He was 210+ three weeks before fighting at 168, and I'm not sure that he even outweighed Jones. Jones once said that Hopkins could never beat him because Roy entered the ring at 175 or 180 when he was at 160. Take that for what it's worth. This was years and years after he said that he was "barely 175" at light heavyweight, and that his opponents outweighed him at that weight.

[Tyler Durden]

He was 210+ three weeks before fighting at 168, and I'm not sure that he even outweighed Jones. Jones once said that Hopkins could never beat him because Roy entered the ring at 175 or 180 when he was at 160. Take that for what it's worth. This was years and years after he said that he was "barely 175" at light heavyweight, and that his opponents outweighed him at that weight.

He weighed 184 when he fought Jones.

Jones was bigger than most of his opponents
-Rubio

[LOK]

The Haters always downplay the RUiz fight.. IMO that was a SPECTACULAR performance.

Sure DLH is bigger but not a whole lot, and DLH is not a real real puncher or a real aggresive fighter.. Floyd is a master. .

Ruiz is/was a legit HW and he DROPPED Holyfield!! The dude can HIT! I knwo his style is ugly but he is a physical fighter and a lot bigger than Roy.. Roy has a Middleweight frame. Roy put on a masterpiece and HURT Ruiz!!

IMO both fights are impressive..