After Watching The Replay, Floyd Still Won "However..."

[Father of Muzse]

How did all three judges score the 6th for him? I thought Oscar won that round. Oscar blocked most of Floyd's punches.

Also, the 10th round wasn't a big Mayweather round as some have stated. Floyd won it, but it wasn't a dominating round by any means.

[REEDsART]

"Like I Said Before"...

Floyd CLEARLY Won the Fight....

UNimpressively...


REED:cool:

[slystaff]

How did all three judges score the 6th for him? I thought Oscar won that round. Oscar blocked most of Floyd's punches.

Also, the 10th round wasn't a big Mayweather round as some have stated. Floyd won it, but it wasn't a dominating round by any means.

Floyd won the 10th big! What's da matter witcha!?!

[Father of Muzse]

"Like I Said Before"...

Floyd CLEARLY Won the Fight....

UNimpressively...


REED:cool:

agREED.

The replay solidified what I'd thought...Floyd won, but Oscar blocked a TON of his shots. There's no way the punchstat numbers are accurate. There's no way in hell Floyd landed 40% of his punches.

[slystaff]

How did all three judges score the 6th for him? I thought Oscar won that round. Oscar blocked most of Floyd's punches.

Also, the 10th round wasn't a big Mayweather round as some have stated. Floyd won it, but it wasn't a dominating round by any means.

The most I could "give" Oscar in that fight is 5 rounds though. I thought Floyd won the last 4 rounds. At best, Oscar was 5-3 up after 8. At best!

[slystaff]

How did all three judges score the 6th for him? I thought Oscar won that round. Oscar blocked most of Floyd's punches.

Also, the 10th round wasn't a big Mayweather round as some have stated. Floyd won it, but it wasn't a dominating round by any means.

btw Muzse,

Whatever happened to your favourite Floyd Mayweather Snr quote about how..."a good big man always beats a good little man, unless the disparity in skill is huge...which isn't the case here."?

:tease:

[Mitchell Kane]

How did all three judges score the 6th for him? I thought Oscar won that round. Oscar blocked most of Floyd's punches.

Also, the 10th round wasn't a big Mayweather round as some have stated. Floyd won it, but it wasn't a dominating round by any means.

I know you wrote that after the fight, as did I, but it's amazing how little credit DLH got from most observors for blocking punches in this fight.

I had it 7-5 for Mayweather.

[D MAN]

I know you wrote that after the fight, as did I, but it's amazing how little credit DLH got from most observors for blocking punches in this fight.

I had it 7-5 for Mayweather.

This is true, even alot of the punches that looked like and even sounded like they landed clean were in fact blocked.

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

I know you wrote that after the fight, as did I, but it's amazing how little credit DLH got from most observors for blocking punches in this fight.

I had it 7-5 for Mayweather.

yes..

[slystaff]

Also, the 10th round wasn't a big Mayweather round as some have stated. Floyd won it, but it wasn't a dominating round by any means.

You're confusing "dominating" with "exciting".

It was arguably the most boring round of the fight..and that's why it's difficult to say anyone dominated it...because a dominating round usually has lots of one-way drama (Mayweather-Gatti round 5 for example).

No, this particular round just had a lot of posing and one punch at a time.


"However" (Copywright, Father of Muzse 2007)

FLOYD WAS THE ONE DOING ALL OF THE PUNCHING!!!!

Oscar did absoutely nothing the entire round. It was by far the most one-sided round of the fight...and the most dominated Oscar has been in any round in his entire career (with the exception of the round he was KOed by Hopkins).

[Father of Muzse]

You're confusing "dominating" with "exciting".

It was arguably the most boring round of the fight..and that's why it's difficult to say anyone dominated it...because a dominating round usually has lots of one-way drama (Mayweather-Gatti round 5 for example).

No, this particular round just had a lot of posing and one punch at a time.


"However" (Copywright, Father of Muzse 2007)

FLOYD WAS THE ONE DOING ALL OF THE PUNCHING!!!!

Oscar did absoutely nothing the entire round. It was by far the most one-sided round of the fight...and the most dominated Oscar has been in any round in his entire career (with the exception of the round he was KOed by Hopkins).

Blocking punches is called DEFENSE.

One of the scoring criteria is defense, therefore, Floyd throwing punches doesn't win him the round.

My point is (and was after the fight) is, Floyd's slipping under punches is more obvious than Oscar's catching shots on his gloves. That's why Oscar didn't get the credit he deserved.

Manny Steward said that Floyd was having trouble catching Oscar clean and stated a few times that Oscar was blocking most of Floyd's shots...which was true.

[jarhead]

"Like I Said Before"...

Floyd CLEARLY Won the Fight....

UNimpressively...


REED:cool:

absolutely. and it was boxing's night to shine:nono:

[Father of Muzse]

I know you wrote that after the fight, as did I, but it's amazing how little credit DLH got from most observors for blocking punches in this fight.

I had it 7-5 for Mayweather.

agREED.

I thought this was one of Oscar's better defensive fights. His parrying and blocking skills were on point.

You would have expected Floyd to pick off shots but instead it was Oscar who had the upperhand.

[Der Tiger]

Yep, he blocked a hell of a lot until the last third, after which began to fray at the edges and his defence was more leaky...it wasn't so much a case mayweather turning up the volume, he just began to land more...

[The Genius]

I had it 7-5 for Mayweather.
:clap:

[IMDAZED]

It was by far the most one-sided round of the fight...and the most dominated Oscar has been in any round in his entire career (with the exception of the round he was KOed by Hopkins).

You've got to be kidding me. Mosley beat Oscar up way worse and I can think of plenty of rounds throughout his career where he took a bigger beating - even in fights he won. Like round 9 against Ike, where he took a shellacking. Or even round 7 of that bout. And Mosley beat him up pretty good in the second half of the first fight as well.

Mayweather won 8-4 or 7-5 but it wasn't anywhere near the biggest beating Oscar's taken.

[Father of Muzse]

You've got to be kidding me. Mosley beat Oscar up way worse and I can think of plenty of rounds throughout his career where he took a bigger beating - even in fights he won. Like round 9 against Ike, where he took a shellacking. Or even round 7 of that bout. And Mosley beat him up pretty good in the second half of the first fight as well.

Mayweather won 8-4 or 7-5 but it wasn't anywhere near the biggest beating Oscar's taken.


I know...makes me wonder if Sly actually saw the fight.

[Erratic]

Oscar did absoutely nothing the entire round. It was by far the most one-sided round of the fight...and the most dominated Oscar has been in any round in his entire career (with the exception of the round he was KOed by Hopkins).

Some of the rounds against Sturm and Mosley were worse. Maybe against Gonzalez too when he ran in a couple of late rounds or against Quartey when he stared at him and did nothing.

Round 11 was a more "dominating" round for Mayweather than 10.

[phonetap]

I know...makes me wonder if Sly actually saw the fight.

yup...that last slystaffism certainly ranks highly among his all-time dumbest quotes. top 10 material, no question...

[slystaff]

yup...that last slystaffism certainly ranks highly among his all-time dumbest quotes. top 10 material, no question...

Hey, my favourite mulatto sparring partner has returned! What's up bra?

[Father of Muzse]

Some of the rounds against Sturm and Mosley were worse. Maybe against Gonzalez too when he ran in a couple of late rounds or against Quartey when he stared at him and did nothing.

Round 11 was a more "dominating" round for Mayweather than 10.

Exactly. And at the end of 11, Oscar lands the best punch of the fight.

He caught Floyd with a perfect right hand as Floyd tried to bounce off the ropes. I thought Floyd was stung, but the bell rang.

[phonetap]

Exactly. And at the end of 11, Oscar lands the best punch of the fight.

He caught Floyd with a perfect right hand as Floyd tried to bounce off the ropes. I thought Floyd was stung, but the bell rang.

on a brief side note, watching that fight made phonetap realize that floyd would have had little chance at beating winky wright @ 154. fighting hopkins at 170 is a ridiculous move...

btw: floyd was stung with that right hand, not hurt (as in trouble) but stung.

[slystaff]

on a brief side note, watching that fight made phonetap realize that floyd would have had little chance at beating winky wright @ 154. fighting hopkins at 170 is a ridiculous move...

btw: floyd was stung with that right hand, not hurt (as in trouble) but stung.

Do you remember the end of the 4th round? Oscar hit Floyd with a left hook..FLUSH after the bell (Floyd forgot to protect himself at all times).

Floyd didn't like it and proceeded to attack Oscar in the very next round. What it showed The Sly One...is that Floyd has a MUCH better chin than given credit for.

[Double L]

Do you remember the end of the 4th round? Oscar hit Floyd with a left hook..FLUSH after the bell (Floyd forgot to protect himself at all times).

Floyd didn't like it and proceeded to attack Oscar in the very next round. What it showed The Sly One...is that Floyd has a MUCH better chin than given credit for.

Sly, did you like PBF's left upper-cut/right-hand combination? The one he managed to land 0 times, but kept throwing through-out the fight?

[phonetap]

Sly, did you like PBF's left upper-cut/right-hand combination? The one he managed to land 0 times, but kept throwing through-out the fight?

those were half-hearted attempts...floyd didn't commit to throwing combinations because he was afraid to get countered with a left hook....that was painfully obvious.

[CleanYourClock]

The most I could "give" Oscar in that fight is 5 rounds though. I thought Floyd won the last 4 rounds. At best, Oscar was 5-3 up after 8. At best!

You thought Floyd won the last 4 rounds but , I posted the clip of round 9 and it was clear that round could have gone either way ..

[Dollar-Fifty78]

After rewatching the fight four times I still had DLH winning 7-5.

[CleanYourClock]

After rewatching the fight four times I still had DLH winning 7-5.

Same here though I only watched it 3 times ....

[Dollar-Fifty78]

Same here though I only watched it 3 times ....
DLH was robbed either way you look at it at best the fight was a draw.

[slystaff]

After rewatching the fight four times I still had DLH winning 7-5.

Which 7 rounds did you give to Oscar? (same question applies to CYC)

[slystaff]

You thought Floyd won the last 4 rounds but , I posted the clip of round 9 and it was clear that round could have gone either way ..

Round 9 was Floyd's round. Rounds 8, 3 and 4 could've gone either way...but not 9-12.

[Dollar-Fifty78]

Which 7 rounds did you give to Oscar? (same question applies to CYC)
2,3,4,5,6,7,12

[CleanYourClock]

Round 9 was Floyd's round. Rounds 8, 3 and 4 could've gone either way...but not 9-12.

Bro , the clip is towards the bottom of the page - go take another look ...

That round sucked for BOTH fighters ....
I think you just automatically gave that round to Floyd because he is your favorite fighter.
I think you are giving Floyd rounds based on your like for him ...
Objectively watching the round , there is no way you can just "give" that round to Floyd ...

[slystaff]

My Scorecard:

1. Floyd (CLEAR)
2. Oscar (CLEAR)
3. Floyd (CLOSE)
4. Oscar (CLOSE)
5. Floyd (CLEAR)
6. Oscar (CLOSE)
7. Oscar (CLEAR)
8. Floyd (CLOSE)
9. Floyd (CLEAR)
10.FLOYD (WIDE)
11. FLOYD (WIDE)
12. Floyd (CLOSE)

8-4 for Floyd.

[Erratic]

Round 9 was Floyd's round. Rounds 8, 3 and 4 could've gone either way...but not 9-12.


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Key punches/moments in round 9:

2:30- De La Hoya lands a jab.
2:15- Mayweather lands a jab to the body (borderline low, but Oscar's protector is high) and a looping right hand to De La Hoya's ear over a low left hand.
2:00- De La Hoya throws a double jab, to the body and head. Body jab appears to miss but jab to the head lands.
1:52- Mayweather misses a left uppercut and misses straight right, follow up straight right to the head lands, left hook to the head lands, right hook misses, left to the body appears blocked and straight right hand misses.
1:37- De La Hoya lands jab to the head.
1:18- De La Hoya lands jab to the head
1:10- De La Hoya gets Mayweather to the ropes and the crowd goes nuts as Oscar flurries, but none of the flurry lands.
0:53- Mayweather lands a grazing looping right hand around De La Hoya's guard
0:49- Mayweather lands jab to body and a right to the body (glove hits beltline and skin)
0:45- Mayweather lands right hand to the side of De La Hoya's head
0:25- Mayweather darts in with a straight right and lands a grazing shot to De La Hoya's head.


De La Hoya's jabs aren't enough to take the round. Making it 10-10 is rather generous to De La Hoya.

Mayweather's round.

[Dollar-Fifty78]

My Scorecard:

1. Floyd (CLEAR)
2. Oscar (CLEAR)
3. Floyd (CLOSE) NO
4. Oscar (CLOSE)
5. Floyd (CLEAR)NO
6. Oscar (CLOSE)WIDE
7. Oscar (CLEAR)
8. Floyd (CLOSE)
9. Floyd (CLEAR)
10.FLOYD (WIDE)
11. FLOYD (WIDE)
12. Floyd (CLOSE)NO

8-4 for Floyd.
2,3,4,5,6,7,12
Mayweather never won a round by a wide margin:rolleyes:

[Dollar-Fifty78]

DLH proved in this fight prime for prime he shit's all over Mayweather.

[Father of Muzse]

My Scorecard:

1. Floyd (CLEAR)
2. Oscar (CLEAR)
3. Floyd (CLOSE)
4. Oscar (CLOSE)
5. Floyd (CLEAR)
6. Oscar (CLOSE)
7. Oscar (CLEAR)
8. Floyd (CLOSE)
9. Floyd (CLEAR)
10.FLOYD (WIDE)
11. FLOYD (WIDE)
12. Floyd (CLOSE)

8-4 for Floyd.


I had Oscar winning the 12th.

Oscar clearly won the 6th and Floyd won the 10th but it was close.

[Erratic]

DLH proved in this fight prime for prime he shit's all over Mayweather.

De La Hoya showed that in his prime he had trouble with very quick, smaller guys while not fighting the smartest of fights and showed that past his prime he still has trouble with very quick, smaller guys while he doesn't fight the smartest of fights.

[Dollar-Fifty78]

De La Hoya showed that in his prime he had trouble with very quick, smaller guys while not fighting the smartest of fights and showed that past his prime he still has trouble with very quick, smaller guys while he doesn't fight the smartest of fights.
DLH won this fight while being past his prime he would have won by a bigger margin in his prime. DLH had NO trouble with Mayweather in this fight so your point is moot.

[Erratic]

DLH won this fight while being past his prime he would have won by a bigger margin in his prime. DLH had NO trouble with Mayweather in this fight so your point is moot.

:lol: :laughing:

You're obviously in the minority in thinking De La Hoya won, but let's go with your scorecard.

Since when is winning 115-113 having "no trouble"??

Other than a 6-5-1 card, you can't win a decision any closer than that.

[CleanYourClock]

:lol: :laughing:

No sure why you are laughing :dunno:

I'd have to agree with him .... Mayweather posed no threat to DLH threw the whole fight ...

At no point of this fight was I ever nervous about DLH like I was in some of his past fights ....

[Free Ike]

The fight flat out sucked. The right guy won and he did so in an unimpressive fashion. Floyd needs to move down in weight or risk being a new Cory Stinks aka a stinking shitfaced stinkbag.

[Erratic]

No sure why you are laughing :dunno:

I'd have to agree with him .... Mayweather posed no threat to DLH threw the whole fight ...

At no point of this fight was I ever nervous about DLH like I was in some of his past fights ....

Because the thought of De La Hoya having "no trouble" is hilarious.

If you can hardly land anything, you're having trouble. He was even less accurate than Mayweather, who as you have said, hit air and glove plenty of times.

[Dollar-Fifty78]

:lol: :laughing:

You're obviously in the minority in thinking De La Hoya won, but let's go with your scorecard.

Since when is winning 115-113 having "no trouble"??

Other than a 6-5-1 card, you can't win a decision any closer than that.
When in the fight did Mayweather have DLH in TROUBLE? NONE=No trouble.
95% of Mayweathers punches were caught by DLH's GLOVES. The only rounds Mayweather won were the one's DLH didn't throw alot of punches.

[Erratic]

When it the fight did Mayweather have DLH in TROUBLE? NONE=No trouble.
95% of Mayweathers punches were caught by DLH's GLOVES. The only rounds Mayweather won were the one's DLH didn't throw alot of punches.

There's a difference between having a fighter "in trouble" (hurt, badly stunned), then having "trouble with a fighter" (not being able to land your punches with any consistency, making things uncomfortable, getting caught with a certain punch over and over, the fight being very close, etc...)

Floyd and Oscar had trouble with each other since neither guy could really sustain a consistent attack, or land with solid accuracy. Their defenses posed problems for each other.

[slystaff]

2,3,4,5,6,7,12
Mayweather never won a round by a wide margin:rolleyes:

You scored round FIVE for Oscar?

That's ridiculous! Clear floyd round.

Round 3 and 12 were closer...but even those leaned more towards Floyd than Oscar...especially the 12th. You obviously fell for Oscar's last 5 seconds of mayhem and forgot the for the majority of the round Floyd was potshotting him...

[Father of Muzse]

You scored round FIVE for Oscar?

That's ridiculous! Clear floyd round.

Round 3 and 12 were closer...but even those leaned more towards Floyd than Oscar...especially the 12th. You obviously fell for Oscar's last 5 seconds of mayhem and forgot the for the majority of the round Floyd was potshotting him...

Sly,

You've gotten potshotted for your commentary on the fight for over a week now.

You should be ready to toss in the towel!

[Trplsec]

The real shame is that Floyd couldn't even beat an aging De La Hoya as easily or convincingly as Mosley beat a prime Oscar..

Shane > Floyd


Does anyone doubt that Shane would rip Floyd a new ass hole at 147 pounds?

[Erratic]

The real shame is that Floyd couldn't even beat an aging De La Hoya as easily or convincingly as Mosley beat a prime Oscar..

Shane > Floyd


Does anyone doubt that Shane would rip Floyd a new ass hole at 147 pounds?

Not necessarily. Different styles, different temperment, etc..

But I agree that Mosley's performance in 2000 was definitely more impressive than Mayweather's last week.

[Father of Muzse]

Not necessarily. Different styles, different temperment, etc..

But I agree that Mosley's performance in 2000 was definitely more impressive than Mayweather's last week.

Shane's 2003 victory was almost more impressive than Mayweather's last week.

:lol:

[Erratic]

Shane's 2003 victory was almost more impressive than Mayweather's last week.

:lol:

He loses points for his "Beauty Pageant Contestant who just won the contest" reaction to the decision. :lol:

[slystaff]

The real shame is that Floyd couldn't even beat an aging De La Hoya as easily or convincingly as Mosley beat a prime Oscar..

Shane > Floyd


Does anyone doubt that Shane would rip Floyd a new ass hole at 147 pounds?

Using the above logic....(and this is for ANYONE who agrees with this post):


The real shame is that Shane couldn't even beat Vernon Forrest as easily or convincingly as Mayorga beat an unbeaten Vernon..

Mayorga > Shane


Does anyone doubt that Ricardo would rip Shane a new ass hole at 147 pounds

[Double L]

i liked the fact that ODH said in the HBO interview, "even though I lost the fight I don't feel like a loser." he's right. he has nothing to be ashamed of except for the fact that he got tired.

[Trplsec]

Using the above logic....(and this is for ANYONE who agrees with this post):


The real shame is that Shane couldn't even beat Vernon Forrest as easily or convincingly as Mayorga beat an unbeaten Vernon..

Mayorga > Shane


Does anyone doubt that Ricardo would rip Shane a new ass hole at 147 pounds


That would be true if I were selling my stance as logic. But I am talking about this SPECIFIC trio of fighters..

This is taking into consideration their abilities, styles, age, etc...

And again, we are talking about the perceived #1 P4P guy in Mayweather, so it is interesting that he wasn't even close to having the most convincing win against Oscar...

[Free Ike]

i liked the fact that ODH said in the HBO interview, "even though I lost the fight I don't feel like a loser." he's right. he has nothing to be ashamed of except for the fact that he got tired.
Yes, he does. He could have won that fight. Every time he jabbed Floyd did nothing, He didn't pull counter, he just ate jabs. This was the most disgraceful performance of Oscar's entire career. Floyd's worst was going life and death with a skilless bum like Castillo.

[Trplsec]

Yes, he does. He could have won that fight. Every time he jabbed Floyd did nothing, He didn't pull counter, he just ate jabs. This was the most disgraceful performance of Oscar's entire career. Floyd's worst was going life and death with a skilless bum like Castillo.


Do you think Floyd is the best P4P fighter in the world? If not, where do you rank him?

[Erratic]

Has De La Hoya ever said why he dispensed with the jab?

He was doing well with it and snapping Mayweather's head back, or pushing him back with jabs to the chest. I saw a grand total of ONE successful pull-counter by Mayweather, early in round 3, and Oscar walked right through it and continued to throw to the body.

I know you generally have to have timely use of it to avoid counters, but Mayweather wasn't countering it.

I guess you can add this to the fights where De La Hoya made tactical blunders that cost him, along with Trinidad and the first Mosley fight.

[slystaff]

That would be true if I were selling my stance as logic. But I am talking about this SPECIFIC trio of fighters..

This is taking into consideration their abilities, styles, age, etc...

And again, we are talking about the perceived #1 P4P guy in Mayweather, so it is interesting that he wasn't even close to having the most convincing win against Oscar...

My point is that you cannot use that argument...PERIOD. If it doesn't work for all "trios"...then you can't ASSume it'll work for a "specific" trio either. :nono:

[Free Ike]

Do you think Floyd is the best P4P fighter in the world? If not, where do you rank him?
I don't believe in P4P. It is nonsense and I am too intelligent to participate in such utter rot. Floyd is a great fighter although his resume is not that of an all time great yet. Would he beat Wlad K, no. I think it is pretty amazing that a smallish lightweight has moved up so far and beaten good fighters, although the best fighter he fought, DLH is far past his prime.

[Trplsec]

My point is that you cannot use that argument...PERIOD. If it doesn't work for all "trios"...then you can't ASSume it'll work for a "specific" trio either. :nono:


You still miss my point...

Real simple... I am not saying that BECAUSE Shane beat Oscar more convincingly that it means Shane could beat Floyd.

I am saying, as separate points, that

1) Floyd was unimpressive because Shane beat a prime Oscar more convincingly

2) I think Shane would destroy the version of Floyd that fought Oscar

There is no logic or formula. I was making simple comments based on these 3 fighters...

Damn this shouldn't be so tough...

[Double L]

Using the above logic....(and this is for ANYONE who agrees with this post):


The real shame is that Shane couldn't even beat Vernon Forrest as easily or convincingly as Mayorga beat an unbeaten Vernon..

Mayorga > Shane


Does anyone doubt that Ricardo would rip Shane a new ass hole at 147 pounds

there's no way Mayorga beats Shane. are you crazy!!!

[Trplsec]

I don't believe in P4P. It is nonsense and I am too intelligent to participate in such utter rot. Floyd is a great fighter although his resume is not that of an all time great yet. Would he beat Wlad K, no. I think it is pretty amazing that a smallish lightweight has moved up so far and beaten good fighters, although the best fighter he fought, DLH is far past his prime.


So in your opinion Floyd is a great fighter and Oscar is far past his prime

yet

You also think it was the most "disgraceful performance of Oscar's entire career" to fight to a highly disputed split decision with Floyd...


Hmmmmm. Not sure that makes sense...

[Erratic]

there's no way Mayorga beats Shane. are you crazy!!!

I think that was his point.

I would've loved to have seen Mosley give Mayorga a beating. Maybe Mayorga-Vargas will fall through and Mosley can beat up Mayorga in a showcase while he awaits for Oscar to give him permission to fight Mayweather.

[Free Ike]

So in your opinion Floyd is a great fighter and Oscar is far past his prime

yet

You also think it was the most "disgraceful performance of Oscar's entire career" to fight to a highly disputed split decision with Floyd...


Hmmmmm. Not sure that makes sense...
It makes perfect sense. Oscar even past his prime is a decent and bigger fighter. It was not a highly disputed decision so stop fucking lying. Anyone who is even partially reasonable knows Floyd won clearly. Floyd is a smallish lightweight and he still beat guys like Zab, Chico and Baldomir. The only dark cloud in his career is struggling with a totally unskilled Castillo and looking shitty in winning. The guy started at 130 and has won belts up to 154. He also essentially won the undisputed Welterweight championship by beating both Zab and Baldomir unifying 2 whole classes above where he started.

[Trplsec]

It makes perfect sense. Oscar even past his prime is a decent and bigger fighter. It was not a highly disputed decision so stop fucking lying. Anyone who is even partially reasonable knows Floyd won clearly. Floyd is a smallish lightweight and he still beat guys like Zab, Chico and Baldomir. The only dark cloud in his career is struggling with a totally unskilled Castillo and looking shitty in winning. The guy started at 130 and has won belts up to 154. He also essentially won the undisputed Welterweight championship by beating both Zab and Baldomir unifying 2 whole classes above where he started.


I still don't know how it is the most "disgraceful performance of Oscar's entire career" to fight to such a tight fight with someone considered as great as Floyd.

Especially when Oscar has such gems as the Trinidad collapse, the Hopkins body shot, and the Sturm decision on his resume.

You don't know much about boxing, do you?

[Double L]

So in your opinion Floyd is a great fighter and Oscar is far past his prime

yet

You also think it was the most "disgraceful performance of Oscar's entire career" to fight to a highly disputed split decision with Floyd...


Hmmmmm. Not sure that makes sense...

what else is new? the guy's an idiot. the next time he makes "any" sense will be the first time.

[Free Ike]

I still don't know how it is the most "disgraceful performance of Oscar's entire career" to fight to such a tight fight with someone considered as great as Floyd.

Especially when Oscar has such gems as the Trinidad collapse, the Hopkins body shot, and the Sturm decision on his resume.

You don't know much about boxing, do you?
More than you will ever know. He beat Trinidad. He should never have attempted the fight with Hopkins, so he gets points from me for courage in taking the fight. He fought valiently against Sturm who was just too strong. He lost easily to Floyd so stop lying and saying it was close or tight. It wasn't. It was disgraceful because he was making it easy with his jab and he stupidly closed the gap and flurried missing 98% of the shots. He bought the hype. He figured he was bigger and stronger and he was going to prove it instead of being smart and using his jab and boxing more. I maintain now and and I maintained before the fight that Oscar could outbox Floyd. So you might not like my reasons, but they are reasons and reasonable. The fact that he got embarrassed by good smaller fighter when he could have won and got gassed is disgraceful.

[Trplsec]

More than you will ever know. He beat Trinidad. He should never have attempted the fight with Hopkins, so he gets points from me for courage in taking the fight. He fought valiently against Sturm who was just too strong. He lost easily to Floyd so stop lying and saying it was close or tight. It wasn't. It was disgraceful because he was making it easy with his jab and he stupidly closed the gap and flurried missing 98% of the shots. He bought the hype. He figured he was bigger and stronger and he was going to prove it instead of being smart and using his jab and boxing more. I maintain now and and I maintained before the fight that Oscar could outbox Floyd. So you might not like my reasons, but they are reasons and reasonable. The fact that he got embarrassed by good smaller fighter when he could have won and got gassed is disgraceful.


Yep.. Confirmed.. You know zero about the sport..

And by the way, I didn't say the fight was close, the judges did...In your infinite lack of wisdom you may not agree with them, but it doesn't change the fact that they scored the fight closely.

Oscar missed 98% of his shots? Wow, you really know your shit.

Also, if you really listened, you would have heard Oscar say in a couple of post-fight interviews that he KNEW he should have thrown the jab more but just couldn't pull the trigger..

Lastly, I like how you know call Floyd a 'good' fighter. Two post ago you called him a "great" fighter.. Brilliant..:dunno:

[Free Ike]

Yep.. Confirmed.. You know zero about the sport..

And by the way, I didn't say the fight was close, the judges did...In your infinite lack of wisdom you may not agree with them, but it doesn't change the fact that they scored the fight closely.

Oscar missed 98% of his shots? Wow, you really know your shit.

Also, if you really listened, you would have heard Oscar say in a couple of post-fight interviews that he KNEW he should have thrown the jab more but just couldn't pull the trigger..

Lastly, I like how you know call Floyd a 'good' fighter. Two post ago you called him a "great" fighter.. Brilliant..:dunno:
All it confirmed is you are grumpy when you are schooled. Oscar missed everything in his flurries and looked stupid doing it. Good/Great whatever. Floyd is a skilled fighter and he has yet to lose. I would like to see him fight other good fighters. Oscar missed a ton of shots or are you blind as well as stupid? Keep in mind I was cheering for Oscar and I felt embarressed for him. He looked like a Zombie and got schooled.

[Trplsec]

All it confirmed is you are grumpy when you are schooled. Oscar missed everything in his flurries and looked stupid doing it. Good/Great whatever. Floyd is a skilled fighter and he has yet to lose. I would like to see him fight other good fighters. Oscar missed a ton of shots or are you blind as well as stupid? Keep in mind I was cheering for Oscar and I felt embarressed for him. He looked like a Zombie and got schooled.


Now you change it from 98% to "missed everything" to "missed a ton" of shots... I love your ability to back peddle in mid-stream... Amazing..

I scored the fight for Floyd. I thought it was clear that he deserved a close decision.. That isn't the point. The point is your utterly ridiculous claim that this was the most "disgraceful performance of Oscar's entire career."

That is just more stupidity from a poster with a long, storied history of stupidity. keep up the good work..

[Free Ike]

Now you change it from 98% to "missed everything" to "missed a ton" of shots... I love your ability to back peddle in mid-stream... Amazing..

I scored the fight for Floyd. I thought it was clear that he deserved a close decision.. That isn't the point. The point is your utterly ridiculous claim that this was the most "disgraceful performance of Oscar's entire career."

That is just more stupidity from a poster with a long, storied history of stupidity. keep up the good work..
You can disagree, but it is just an opinion and it is one I have backed up. I said 98% as an exaggeration which someone with reasonable intelligence would understand. Oscar looked foolish and missed more shots than he landed and often looked like an amatuer, do you agree or not? I believe he gave Floyd the fight. Floyd is a good/great whatever adjective you want fighter, but Oscar shouldn't be losing to guys based on tactical errors. I really believe in my heart that Oscar had this fight and gave it up because he fought stupidly. I think that is disgraceful. I guess you don't agree.
The only other fight which comes close to being disgraceful is the Tito fight and frankly, they need to change the rules because Oscar had a huge lead (or should have) and did what he had to do. Maybe Tito should not have gotten so schooled in the first 3/4 of the fight. I am one of the greatest posters in the history of the net. If I am stupid, then everyone else must be retarded.

[Trplsec]

You can disagree, but it is just an opinion and it is one I have backed up. I said 98% as an exaggeration which someone with reasonable intelligence would understand. Oscar looked foolish and missed more shots than he landed and often looked like an amatuer, do you agree or not? I believe he gave Floyd the fight. Floyd is a good/great whatever adjective you want fighter, but Oscar shouldn't be losing to guys based on tactical errors. I really believe in my heart that Oscar had this fight and gave it up because he fought stuidly. I think that is disgraceful. I guess you don't agree.
The only other fight which comes close to being disgraceful is the Tito fight and frankly, they need to change the rules because Oscar had a huge lead (or should have) and did what he had to do. Maybe Tito should not have gotten so schooled in the first 3/4 of the fight. I am one of the greatest posters in the history of the net. If I am stupid, then everyone else must be retarded.


Well, we can just disagree and move on...

I will just stay with contention that losing by 1 point on 1 scorecard against a younger fighter, who is considered among the very best of his generation, is far from disgraceful..

[Free Ike]

Well, we can just disagree and move on...

I will just stay with contention that losing by 1 point on 1 scorecard against a younger fighter, who is considered among the very best of his generation, is far from disgraceful..
I think you are an uniformed idiot that has no knowledge in this sport and MINDLESSLY clings to what the opinions of OBVIOUSLY corrupt judges say. How dare you question me when you are nothing more than someone who hasn't brains enough to score a fight on his own. It was not a one point fight. If you think that you have no business here. At best, Oscar won 4 rounds and that is at best. Don't be pissy because I know how to objectively score a fight even when the guy I wanted to win choked. There was only one scorecard that was accurate. How anyone could have Oscar winning is pure corruption and even as much as 7-5 for Floyd is incompetance at best. Go bah, bah to someone else sheepy pie. It was NOT a close fight and I don't care what 2 OBVIOUSLY paid off judges think. Two of the three were clearly instructed to make it close so they could drum up a rematch for a fight which was clear as day a win for FLOYD.

[Trplsec]

I think you are an uniformed idiot that has no knowledge in this sport and MINDLESSLY clings to what the opinions of OBVIOUSLY corrupt judges say. How dare you question me when you are nothing more than someone who hasn't brains enough to score a fight on his own. It was not a one point fight. If you think that you have no business here. At best, Oscar won 4 rounds and that is at best. Don't be pissy because I know how to objectively score a fight even when the guy I wanted to win choked. There was only one scorecard that was accurate. How anyone could have Oscar winning is pure corruption and even as much as 7-5 for Floyd is incompetance at best. Go bah, bah to someone else sheepy pie. It was NOT a close fight and I don't care what 2 OBVIOUSLY paid off judges think. Two of the three were clearly instructed to make it close so they could drum up a rematch for a fight which was clear as day a win for FLOYD.


Brother, I've been watching fights for 35 years and have seen more than my share of close fights.

This fight wasn't razor thin, but it was also miles from a blowout or a disgrace.

I don't know if you had big money on Oscar or just your standard backseat blow job bet, but you're taking his loss harder than most.

Regardless of your insanity, bi-polar issues and general stupidity, there is no way Oscar's performance was the most disgraceful of his career. Nothing can compare to coasting to a loss for the last 5 rounds versus Tito or staying on a knee after a body shot from the big-punching Hopkins..

You, my ridiculous little friend, know very little...

[Free Ike]

Brother, I've been watching fights for 35 years and have seen more than my share of close fights.

This fight wasn't razor thin, but it was also miles from a blowout or a disgrace.

I don't know if you had big money on Oscar or just your standard backseat blow job bet, but you're taking his loss harder than most.

Regardless of your insanity, bi-polar issues and general stupidity, there is no way Oscar's performance was the most disgraceful of his career. Nothing can compare to coasting to a loss for the last 5 rounds versus Tito or staying on a knee after a body shot from the big-punching Hopkins..

You, my ridiculous little friend, know very little...
I have read your opinions for years and there is no rational reason you should think you know anything more than I do. In fact, the opposite is true. You try to discount my opinion when you didn't have the brains, the opinion, the ability to have your own. Instead, you point to the judges flawed scorecards and said this is the law. If that is true, then I don't want to ever read you saying that there has ever in the history of the sport been a single bad decision. You can argue that. Either the judges are omnipotent or they are not. If you think whatever the judges say dictates reality then we have nothing to discuss. I know enough to have an informed opinion and peope who have met me know that I might be a biased guy but I score fights like a scientist. Ask Jaws, Steve-Dave, Winner by Choke or Matchup Equalizer. I weight what each guy does and award points based on it. I have an opinion. You are a dipshit that points at a boxscore and calls it his own opinion.

[slystaff]

:popcorn:

[Trplsec]

I have read your opinions for years and there is no rational reason you should think you know anything more than I do. In fact, the opposite is true. You try to discount my opinion when you didn't have the brains, the opinion, the ability to have your own. Instead, you point to the judges flawed scorecards and said this is the law. If that is true, then I don't want to ever read you saying that there has ever in the history of the sport been a single bad decision. You can argue that. Either the judges are omnipotent or they are not. If you think whatever the judges say dictates reality then we have nothing to discuss. I know enough to have an informed opinion and peope who have met me know that I might be a biased guy but I score fights like a scientist. Ask Jaws, Steve-Dave, Winner by Choke or Matchup Equalizer. I weight what each guy does and award points based on it. I have an opinion. You are a dipshit that points at a boxscore and calls it his own opinion.


You moron.. For the last time. I don't give a shit what the judges scorecards said.. The fact is that the fight was NOT a blowout and Oscar's performance as a 34 year old, aging fighter was NOT disgraceful.

I scored the fight 7-3-2 for Floyd.. So please quit assuming that I agree in any fashion with the official scorecards..

I will say it again, my only problem is that your moronic ass called this the most "disgraceful performance of Oscar's career".

As long as there are the Tito, Hopkins and Sturm fights on Oscars resume your statement will continue to be ridiculous. But as I said earlier, that is expected from you and your opinion is a joke anyway.


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[Free Ike]

You moron.. For the last time. I don't give a shit what the judges scorecards said.. The fact is that the fight was NOT a blowout and Oscar's performance as a 34 year old, aging fighter was NOT disgraceful.

I scored the fight 7-3-2 for Floyd.. So please quit assuming that I agree in any fashion with the official scorecards..

I will say it again, my only problem is that your moronic ass called this the most "disgraceful performance of Oscar's career".

As long as there are the Tito, Hopkins and Sturm fights on Oscars resume your statement will continue to be ridiculous. But as I said earlier, that is expected from you and your opinion is a joke anyway.


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Explain to me how essentially a welterweight losing to a dominant middleweight champion and a current middleweight title holder is disgraceful. I have already explained my opinion on the Trinidad fight. Oscar quit against Hopkins, but he had no chance of winning on paper before and he realized he tried to do too much. I give Oscar credit for taking a fight he cannot possibly win in something few superstars tried to do. If Roy had fought Wlad, no one could say he was a bitch for getting kayoed in 2 rounds if that were to occur. Roy couldn't ever beat Wlad. Oscar moved up to a weightclass he clearyl didn't belong.

[Free Ike]

So in your opinion Floyd is a great fighter and Oscar is far past his prime

yet

You also think it was the most "disgraceful performance of Oscar's entire career" to fight to a highly disputed split decision with Floyd...

Hmmmmm. Not sure that makes sense...
Triple are you stupid or a just a liar? Do you really think thiS was a HIGHLY DISPUTED DECISION?

[Erratic]

Triple are you stupid or a just a liar? Do you really think thiS was a HIGHLY DISPUTED DECISION?

This is the most manufactured "controversial" decision since Jones-Tarver I.

[steve_dave]

Ugh, I'm already sick of hearing about this fight.

[Free Ike]

This is the most manufactured "controversial" decision since Jones-Tarver I.
Correct. I won't even agree it was slightly controversial. Floyd won CLEARLY.PERIOD END OF STORY. The fact that some uninformed people refuse to score a figt accurately should not make it a controversy.

[Erratic]

Ugh, I'm already sick of hearing about this fight.

Get ready to hear about it even more when they announce the rematch.

[steve_dave]

Get ready to hear about it even more when they announce the rematch.

I'd way rather see Mayweather/Mosley.

[Double L]

PBF'd better hope it's controversial. How else is he gonna make $20 mil for his next fight.

[Erratic]

I'd way rather see Mayweather/Mosley.

Me too.

[slystaff]

I'd way rather see Mayweather/Mosley.

word.

[jarhead]

I'd way rather see Mayweather/Mosley.

It should be the natural fight to make. Both in the same weight class being able to claim they both beat DLH.

[Erratic]

It should be the natural fight to make. Both in the same weight class being able to claim they both beat DLH.

Maybe after a Mayweather-De La Hoya rematch.

There's too much money there so unfortunately we will probably see that.

The thing is, Oscar generally takes time off after a loss, and likes to fight around the Mexican holidays in Sept and May. That makes the Mayweather rematch in May 08'. Mayweather and Mosley won't fight before then because it presents too much danger for a megafight rematch.

[Trplsec]

Explain to me how essentially a welterweight losing to a dominant middleweight champion and a current middleweight title holder is disgraceful. I have already explained my opinion on the Trinidad fight. Oscar quit against Hopkins, but he had no chance of winning on paper before and he realized he tried to do too much. I give Oscar credit for taking a fight he cannot possibly win in something few superstars tried to do. If Roy had fought Wlad, no one could say he was a bitch for getting kayoed in 2 rounds if that were to occur. Roy couldn't ever beat Wlad. Oscar moved up to a weightclass he clearyl didn't belong.


So quitting isn't disgraceful???

Wow, you really make it too easy....

[Free Ike]

Maybe after a Mayweather-De La Hoya rematch.

There's too much money there so unfortunately we will probably see that.

The thing is, Oscar generally takes time off after a loss, and likes to fight around the Mexican holidays in Sept and May. That makes the Mayweather rematch in May 08'. Mayweather and Mosley won't fight before then because it presents too much danger for a megafight rematch.
God, I hope not. This was one of the, if not the worst, Superfight in history. I know both fighters got rich but it was a disgraceful performance on both fighter's parts. Honestly, give me Tua/Lewis over this shit. This fight was on par with Barrera/Morales II the worst PPV fight in history.

[Free Ike]

So quitting isn't disgraceful???

Wow, you really make it too easy....
No. Not when you have no business taking the fight to being with. You strike me as a fella who would back down from a small women. It takes balls to fight people bigger and stronger than you. I also used the word Quit incorrectly. I think there is honor in surrendering and not quitting. Oscar surrendered in a fight he was not going to win and he tried to win and was beaten down. FREITAS quitting on his stool is disgraceful.

[Erratic]

God, I hope not. This was one of the, if not the worst, Superfight in history. I know both fighters got rich but it was a disgraceful performance on both fighter's parts. Honestly, give me Tua/Lewis over this shit. This fight was on par with Barrera/Morales II the worst PPV fight in history.

Tyson-Holyfield II was the worst superfight ever.

Trinidad-De La Hoya was worse than this too. At least they got the decision right and gave it to Mayweather.

[Free Ike]

Tyson-Holyfield II was the worst superfight ever.

Trinidad-De La Hoya was worse than this too. At least they got the decision right and gave it to Mayweather.
I disagree. Tito/DLh was easier on the eyes to watch. Tyson/Holyfield II I have rewatched 10's of times. It was a great circus show. This fight was putrid. I will never watch it again. Never. About all one can say is thank gofd the man who won got the nod. The fight was garbage.

[Trplsec]

No. Not when you have no business taking the fight to being with. You strike me as a fella who would back down from a small women. It takes balls to fight people bigger and stronger than you. I also used the word Quit incorrectly. I think there is honor in surrendering and not quitting. Oscar surrendered in a fight he was not going to win and he tried to win and was beaten down. FREITAS quitting on his stool is disgraceful.

This may be the most inane post I've ever read on this site..

And by the way, trying to win would have involved getting back on his feet and fighting Bernard for the next 3 rounds.

I'm just glad every fighter doesn't subscribe to your notion that it's OK to quit if you think you're going to lose and the opponent is really scary..

What a momo...

[Free Ike]

This may be the most inane post I've ever read on this site..

And by the way, trying to win would have involved getting back on his feet and fighting Bernard for the next 3 rounds.

I'm just glad every fighter doesn't subscribe to your notion that it's OK to quit if you think you're going to lose and the opponent is really scary..

What a momo...
I'd rather that than a fighter dying or being permanently injured. I have a European view of this sport. No need for people to die. Anyway, your dearth of intelligence reared its ugly head again. I made a distinction between quitting and surrendering. In MMA, if a guy has an armbar and is going to break your arm and you tap out, everyone just says oh well live to fight another day. I have no problem with Freitas quiiting against Corrales. He was getting fucked up. He surrendered. What he did against Diaz is disgraceful. The least you owe your fellow warrior is an official surrender. Freitas should have walked out and got flattened again and then took a 10 count. It is a distinction, but you have already proven you are not the brightest.It is a new distinction, winner by choke and I were discussing MMA/Boxing and I thought it was a worthy distinction.

[Rubio MHS]

It's stupid to assume that Oscar quit. He might have, and he might not have. When Oscar fought Hopkins, he fought a tough fight, one that got him into a lot of trouble. He easily could have boxed Hopkins, tied him up on the outside and stunk up the joint, but he chose to trade with Hopkins on the inside. In his fight with Hopkins, he showed a lot more pure courage than he did against Trinidad or Mayweather.

[whiskey]

Ugh, I'm already sick of hearing about this fight.

I know. We should just all agree that De La Hoya won and be done with it already.

[Erratic]

Key Punches/Moments of The Fight:

Round 1-

2:30: Mayweather misses a leaping left hook, lands a right hand
2:25: Mayweather lands a leaping left hook
2:12: De La Hoya gets Mayweather on the ropes and lands some left hooks, but they are all low, or borderline low.
2:00: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:35: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:23: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
0:17: De La Hoya lands a left hook to the nuts

Round 1: Mayweather

Round 2-

2:34: De La Hoya misses two jabs, misses a left hook, misses a jab, Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
2:23: De La Hoya gets Mayweather near the ropes and misses two left hooks, misses a right, and misses another left hook. Mayweather leaps in with a left hook, but it appears that it's caught by De La Hoya's right glove (tough to see from the angle)
2:05: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face, De La Hoya misses a right hand, but his follow up left hook lands and his jab lands.
0:57: Mayweather retreating to the ropes, lands a grazing right hand, then takes a right to the body as he gets off the ropes, and then eats a De La Hoya jab that snaps his head back
0:48: Mayweather lands a jab to the face

Round 2: De La Hoya

Round 3-

2:47: Mayweather near the ropes, lands a "pull-counter" over De La Hoya's jab, De La Hoya walks through it and throws some left hooks to the body. Tough to tell from the angle if it lands, but it appears a couple land under Mayweather's elbow, and a third lands on the beltline.
2:35: De La Hoya lands a straight left to the face as Mayweather gets off the ropes. Mayweather continues to retreat and De La Hoya attacks, but nothing legal lands (right to the back, low blow with a left). Mayweather lands a short right uppercut on the inside.
2:21: De La Hoya attacks Mayweather on the ropes, but nothing except a right hand to the back lands. Mayweather lands a short right hand to the body in return.
2:13: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:52: Mayweather lands a short left hook to the face
1:18: Mayweather lands a left jab to the body
0:55: Mayweather lands an overhand right to the head
0:44: Mayweather lands another overhand right to the head
0:25: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
Right before bell: Mayweather lands a leaping left hook to the head

Round 3: Mayweather

Round 4-

2:52: De La Hoya lands a left jab to the head
2:44: De La Hoya lands a left hook to the head of a retreating Mayweather. De La Hoya tries to follow up but Mayweather slips and blocks the shots while getting off the ropes.
2:26: Mayweather lands a leaping left hook to the head
2:18: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
2:06: De La Hoya throws a combo, tough to tell from the angle if they're landing, but the final left short hook lands. Mayweather smiles and lands a left jab to the face
1:08: De La Hoya presses Mayweather to the corner, Mayweather holds De La Hoya's right hand, De La Hoya lands about eight left hooks to the body and beltline with his free hand. Lampley forgets that De La Hoya has always been a good bodypuncher and acts like it's something new for him to go to the body.
0:58: De La Hoya lands a left jab to Mayweather on the ropes, Mayweather slips the follow up right hand and blocks the left hook and avoids another right. Mayweather throws a right hand but his head is in the way so we can't see if it misses or lands. Mayweather throws a left-right, but it doesn't appear to get through De La Hoya's guard.

Round 4: De La Hoya

Round 5-

2:45: De La Hoya lands two low blow/borderline lefts, misses a left uppercut, Mayweather misses a right hook and throws a left hook (hard to tell if it lands or not), misses a right hand, left jab to the body lands, right hand to De La Hoya's head lands.
1:39: Mayweather lands a short right hand to the body and a short left hook to the body, right hand to the body hits De La Hoya in the back
1:28: Mayweather misses a left uppercut, but lands a straight right to De La Hoya's head
1:22: http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q159/babyfacedassassin202/Pretty.gif
0:48: Mayweather on the ropes, De La Hoya misses a jab, lands a right hand to the back, short left hook to the beltline, grazing left hook to Mayweather's head, Mayweather bends to the side to avoid De La Hoya's follow up, but one right hand by De La Hoya lands nicely.
0:38: Mayweather tries to sneak a right hand around De La Hoya's guard, if it lands it's only grazing, left hook lands to De La Hoya's face, straight right hand goes between De La Hoya's gloves and catches him in the face

Round 5: Mayweather

Round 6-

2:10: Maywather in the corner as De La Hoya flurries. Left, right, left, left all land around the beltline. Mayweather slips the left uppercut, right hand, left hook, and the right hand hits Mayweather in the back of his neck.
2:02: Maywether right hand lands around the top of De La Hoya's head
1:35: De La Hoya lands a left jab to the face
1:05: Mayweather bends down to his side to avoid a De La Hoya jab, then takes a solid right hand to the face from De La Hoya. Mayweather smiles and misses two shots in return.
0:54: Mayweather misses straight right hand, then lands his left hook as De La Hoya is pulling his head back
0:48: De La Hoya lands a left jab that snaps Mayweather's head back

Round 6: De La Hoya

[Erratic]

Round 7-

2:34: Mayweather on the ropes, De La Hoya lands a left hook to the body, left hook to the head is blocked, straight right looks like it sneaks through Mayweather's guard and hits him in the face. De La Hoya misses a right hand, misses two left hooks, lands a right hand to Mayweather's face.
2:24: De La Hoya throws 4 straight jabs to the body, 3 of them landing around the chest of Mayweather and pushes him back into the ropes. Mayweather avoids the flurry from De La Hoya while in the corner.
1:33: De La Hoya lands left solid jab to the face that snaps Mayweather's head back.
1:29: De La Hoya lands jab to the face, not quite as solid as the previous one as Mayweather was beginning to move his head back before it landed
1:12: Mayweather misses a left uppercut, follow up straight right catches De La Hoya high on the head, but not flush. Mayweather throws two overhand rights while up close, the first misses but the second lands on De La Hoya's head.
0:54: De La Hoya misses a wild right hand, Mayweather counters with a low/borderline (?) blow with his right hand. Kenny Bayless warns Mayweather. Mayweather lands a left hook to the right side of De La Hoya's body where the black protector is, and misses a left hook upstairs.

Round 7: De La Hoya


Round 8-

2:32: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
2:11: De La Hoya lands a jab to Mayweather's face as Mayweather goes to the ropes. De La Hoya misses a right hand and Mayweather counters with a right hand to the face. De La Hoya lands a right to Mayweather's back, a short right to the ribs, misses with the right upstairs, Mayweather a grazing left and grazing short right to De La Hoya's head.
1:44: De La Hoya lands a clean jab as Mayweather misses with the right, Mayweather responds with a right hand to De La Hoya's head.
1:34: Mayweather misses a left uppercut, follow up straight right hand lands on De La Hoya's face, Mayweather backs up and lands a left jab to De La Hoya's face.

Round 8: Mayweather

Round 9-

2:30- De La Hoya lands a jab to the face as Mayweather throws his own jab. It appears that Mayweather's jab also lands, but De La Hoya's is more authoritive.
2:15- Mayweather lands a jab to the body (borderline low, but Oscar's protector is high) and a looping right hand to De La Hoya's ear over a low left hand.
2:00- De La Hoya throws a double jab, to the body and head. Body jab appears to miss but jab to the head lands.
1:52- Mayweather misses a left uppercut and misses straight right, follow up straight right to the head lands, left hook to the head lands, right hook misses, left to the body appears blocked and straight right hand misses.
1:37- De La Hoya lands jab to the head.
1:18- De La Hoya lands jab to the head
1:10- De La Hoya gets Mayweather to the ropes and the crowd goes nuts as Oscar flurries, but none of the flurry lands.
0:53- Mayweather lands a grazing looping right hand around De La Hoya's guard
0:49- Mayweather lands jab to body and a right to the body (glove hits beltline and skin)
0:45- Mayweather lands right hand to the side of De La Hoya's head
0:25- Mayweather darts in with a straight right and lands a grazing shot to De La Hoya's head.


De La Hoya's jabs aren't enough to take the round. Making it 10-10 is rather generous to De La Hoya.

Round 9: Mayweather

Round 10-

2:30: Mayweather retreating to the ropes, De La Hoya misses a right hand, misses two left hooks, short right hand lands on Mayweather's face.
2:20: Mayweather throws a double jab to De La Hoya's face, the first comes up short but the second jab lands. Mayweather waits a couple seconds and lands another jab to De La Hoya's face.
1:54: Mayweather lands a left jab to De La Hoya's face
1:00: Mayweather lands a short right uppercut to the face on the inside.
0:26: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face.
Right before bell: Mayweather lands a counter right to the face after De La Hoya misses a right hand

Round 10: Mayweather

Round 11-

2:45: Mayweather lands a left hook to the body on the inside that appears to have De La Hoya momentarily doubled over, but on second look it might just be a balance thing as De La Hoya was moving his right foot at the time of impact.
2:31: Mayweather throws a left jab to the body, then lands a right hand to the head
2:24: Mayweather lands right hand potshot, second right hand is blocked, third right hand goes around De La Hoya's glove and appears to just graze his head, Mayweather lands a left jab to the body and another right hand to De La Hoya's head
2:02: Mayweather again uses the left jab to the body, right hand to the head combo, this time the right hand is only grazing.
1:45: Mayweather uses the left jab to the body, right hand to the head combination twice and they work both times.
1:00: Mayweather lands two pecking jabs to De La Hoya's face.
0:10: De La Hoya lands solid right hand to Mayweather's face on the ropes.

Round 11: Mayweather


Round 12-

2:38: Mayweather misses a left hook upstairs, throws left hook downstairs (unable to tell from the angle if it lands), misses right hand to the head.
2:25: Mayweather misses right hand to the head, left hand does not land, right hand to the shoulder, left jab lands to the De La Hoya's face. Mayweather lands a short straight right hand as they fall into a clinch
1:51: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:46: De La Hoya throws a shoe-shine combo to Mayweather's body. Right to the back, left to the belt line, right to the ribs, left to the ribs, right to the back. After they have some distance, Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:23: Mayweather throws two jabs to the face, first one lands, second misses.
1:16: Mayweather lands a left jab to the body (low blow), right hand to the head lands. Mayweather backs up and throws two jabs, first misses, second one lands (barely).
0:54: Mayweather lands left jab to the face
0:45: Mayweather on the ropes, De La Hoya misses a right hand, none of his follow-up flurry visibly lands, maybe a body shot or two on the shoeshine but Kenny Bayless is in the way.
0:10: Mayweather and De La Hoya trade, only punch of note that lands is a right hand for De La Hoya.

Round 12: Mayweather

Rounds 1, 3, 5, 8-12: Mayweather
Rounds 2, 4, 6-7: De La Hoya
Mayweather 116-112

[Explosivo]

I just watched the entire fight today,...and I have to say that even though I don't like Floyd, or the way he fights...at worst he won 8 outta 12. And DLH gave a damn good account. Nobody else in the world would have done any better against PBF

[slystaff]

Rounds 1, 3, 5, 8-12: Mayweather
Rounds 2, 4, 6-7: De La Hoya
Mayweather 116-112

Now HERE'S a man that knows how to score a fight. Exactly my card!

[Dollar-Fifty78]

Now HERE'S a man that knows how to score a fight. Exactly my card!
No this just means neither of you can score a fight.

[Erratic]

No this just means neither of you can score a fight.

What did Oscar do to win rounds 3 and 5?

[mikE]

It's stupid to assume that Oscar quit. He might have, and he might not have. When Oscar fought Hopkins, he fought a tough fight, one that got him into a lot of trouble. He easily could have boxed Hopkins, tied him up on the outside and stunk up the joint, but he chose to trade with Hopkins on the inside. In his fight with Hopkins, he showed a lot more pure courage than he did against Trinidad or Mayweather.

agree.
And, as I remember, dlh had won 3 or 4 rounds against hopkins out of the 8...so he quit? Doesn't add up.

[slystaff]

agree.
And, as I remember, dlh had won 3 or 4 rounds against hopkins out of the 8...so he quit? Doesn't add up.

The amount of rounds won, has no bearing on whether a fighter quit or not. If That were the case frietas would have never quit against Corrales..he was well up on points.

Ocar was winning a couple early rounds only because Bernard had started too slow. The moment Hopkins stepped it up it was man against boy and Oscar knew he was in deep water.

Oscar quit in my opinion.

[CleanYourClock]

The amount of rounds won, has no bearing on whether a fighter quit or not. If That were the case frietas would have never quit against Corrales..he was well up on points.

Ocar was winning a couple early rounds only because Bernard had started too slow. The moment Hopkins stepped it up it was man against boy and Oscar knew he was in deep water.

Oscar quit in my opinion.

Yeah he quit because Floyd said he quit .. :lol:

And you know , you can't disagree with Floyd .. :nono:

[Father of Muzse]

Now HERE'S a man that knows how to score a fight. Exactly my card!

Can you explain how all three judges scored the 6th for Floyd?

:dunno:

It's a draw if that round is scored correctly. How could all three judges miss that one?

:dunno:

[slystaff]

Yeah he quit because Floyd said he quit .. :lol:

And you know , you can't disagree with Floyd .. :nono:

I said he quit, on these forums, immediately after the fight...long before I heard Floyd say it.

[slystaff]

Can you explain how all three judges scored the 6th for Floyd?

:dunno:

It's a draw if that round is scored correctly. How could all three judges miss that one?

:dunno:

They were wrong.

However...they certainly scored rounds for Oscar which they shouldn't have..IMO, 2 of them gave him round 12 for example.

Oscar won 2,4,6 and 7...after that it's debatable whether he won any more.

[Erratic]

Yeah he quit because Floyd said he quit .. :lol:

And you know , you can't disagree with Floyd .. :nono:

People were saying Oscar quit long before Floyd started calling Oscar a quitter.

There were threads talking about "Oscar quit to preserve his good looks" and stuff like that.

Manny Steward didn't help matters much with his "I guess we'll just to have to give Oscar the benefit of the doubt" comments.

[CleanYourClock]

People were saying Oscar quit long before Floyd started calling Oscar a quitter.

There were threads talking about "Oscar quit to preserve his good looks" and stuff like that.

Manny Steward didn't help matters much with his "I guess we'll just to have to give Oscar the benefit of the doubt" comments.

Yeah but Sly never said shit until after his boy Floyd said that ... :lol:

Anyway , B-hop said Oscar made a weird noise and he heard the air come out of his lungs when he landed that shot ....
I guess if he quit B-hop was in on it as well ..
I looked at it in slow motion and it looked like a solid punch to me ...

[Erratic]

Yeah but Sly never said shit until after his boy Floyd said that ... :lol:

Anyway , B-hop said Oscar made a weird noise and he heard the air come out of his lungs when he landed that shot ....
I guess if he quit B-hop was in on it as well ..
I looked at it in slow motion and it looked like a solid punch to me ...

Why would Hopkins have to be in on it if Oscar quit?

He would be if you go by the "Oscar threw the fight to sign Bernard" conspiracy theories, which I don't believe for one second. I tend to think a fighter would rather say he stopped a guy with a well-placed body shot rather than saying his opponent (who just gave him the opporunity to make $10 million) quit.

But for Oscar to quit, there's no need for Hopkins to be in on it.

The punch didn't look hard, that's why people question if Oscar quit, along with his reaction on the floor. Guys who take hard body shots very rarely roll on the floor like that, they usually just freeze.

[slystaff]

Yeah but Sly never said shit until after his boy Floyd said that ... :lol:

Anyway , B-hop said Oscar made a weird noise and he heard the air come out of his lungs when he landed that shot ....
I guess if he quit B-hop was in on it as well ..
I looked at it in slow motion and it looked like a solid punch to me ...

You're an idiot, I may have to target you for a few weeks until you've learnt the error of your ways.

I'm a fan of Floyd's skill, but I don't copy everything he says.

He's only been saying this recently..in the buildup to his fight with Oscar...I had said this the day after the Hopkins-Hoya fight.

Also, whether or not it was a solid punch means nothing. Oscar took the opportunity to lay down. Shane Mosley hit him with hellacious body punches for 24 rounds...Vargas did also in their fight. Yep..Hopkins is a Middleweight, and likely hits harder than the aforementions....but if Oscar had a chance to win that fight...he wouldn't have stayed down and made such a "show" of it.

[Erratic]

The amount of rounds won, has no bearing on whether a fighter quit or not. If That were the case frietas would have never quit against Corrales..he was well up on points.

Ocar was winning a couple early rounds only because Bernard had started too slow. The moment Hopkins stepped it up it was man against boy and Oscar knew he was in deep water.

Oscar quit in my opinion.

I don't know...Hopkins was taking over and landing better shots on De La Hoya with greater consistency, but De La Hoya was still holding his own and was competitive. He had some disputed decisions in Vegas go his way (and against him) with some outrageous scorecards, you'd think Oscar would still have some hope. Besides the Trinidad fight when he got tired and ran, Oscar usually gutted it out and kept fighting, even when he was having trouble and losing.

Other fighters have quit though after showing little or no signs of quitting before hand, so who knows really?

[slystaff]

I don't know...Hopkins was taking over and landing better shots on De La Hoya with greater consistency, but De La Hoya was still holding his own and was competitive. He had some disputed decisions in Vegas go his way (and against him) with some outrageous scorecards, you'd think Oscar would still have some hope. Besides the Trinidad fight when he got tired and ran, Oscar usually gutted it out and kept fighting, even when he was having trouble and losing.

Other fighters have quit though after showing little or no signs of quitting before hand, so who knows really?

Oscar was discouraged. You could see it in his expression and you could hear it in terms of the way he was "grunting' with his punches. Bernard was beginning to do whatever he wanted with Oscar: Outboxing him, out punching him, outmuscling him.

Oscar wanted out.

[CleanYourClock]

Why would Hopkins have to be in on it if Oscar quit?

He would be if you go by the "Oscar threw the fight to sign Bernard" conspiracy theories, which I don't believe for one second. I tend to think a fighter would rather say he stopped a guy with a well-placed body shot rather than saying his opponent (who just gave him the opporunity to make $10 million) quit.

But for Oscar to quit, there's no need for Hopkins to be in on it.

The punch didn't look hard, that's why people question if Oscar quit, along with his reaction on the floor. Guys who take hard body shots very rarely roll on the floor like that, they usually just freeze.

Well , I meant if he wasn't in on it , and Oscar did really quit , then why would Bernard make up a lie and say he heard Oscar make a weird noise and heard the air come out of him ?
Unless Oscar perfectly timed it faked that as well ...

[CleanYourClock]

I don't know...Hopkins was taking over and landing better shots on De La Hoya with greater consistency, but De La Hoya was still holding his own and was competitive. He had some disputed decisions in Vegas go his way (and against him) with some outrageous scorecards, you'd think Oscar would still have some hope. Besides the Trinidad fight when he got tired and ran, Oscar usually gutted it out and kept fighting, even when he was having trouble and losing.

Other fighters have quit though after showing little or no signs of quitting before hand, so who knows really?

I agree ...
Oscar was having a harder time and absorbing MUCH MORE punishment against Sturum in which he gutted it out and won a decision.
Why would he quit Vs Bernard in a fight that he wasn't that far behind on points and wasn't even getting physically hurt in ...
Doesn't make sense ..

[Father of Muzse]

I agree ...
Oscar was having a harder time and absorbing MUCH MORE punishment against Sturum in which he gutted it out and won a decision.
Why would he quit Vs Bernard in a fight that he wasn't that far behind on points and wasn't even getting physically hurt in ...
Doesn't make sense ..

Oscar knew what was ahead of him. Hopkins hit him with a few good shots in the 8th round and I thought Oscar was a bit hurt earlier in the round from an uppercut which landed on the chin.

Guys tend to think that a guy is only hurt when he's on jelly legs or staggering, but that's not the case. Roughly a miniute before the KO shot, Oscar gets clipped pretty good. That pushed him towards laying down after the bodyshot.

Wasn't it Ron King who said Oscar crapped his pants after the bodyshot? :lol:

[slystaff]

Oscar knew what was ahead of him. Hopkins hit him with a few good shots in the 8th round and I thought Oscar was a bit hurt earlier in the round from an uppercut which landed on the chin.

Guys tend to think that a guy is only hurt when he's on jelly legs or staggering, but that's not the case. Roughly a miniute before the KO shot, Oscar gets clipped pretty good. That pushed him towards laying down after the bodyshot.

Wasn't it Ron KIng who said Oscar crapped him pants after the bodyshot? :lol:

I remember hearing that. :lol:

[CleanYourClock]

You're an idiot, I may have to target you for a few weeks until you've learnt the error of your ways.

I'm a fan of Floyd's skill, but I don't copy everything he says.

He's only been saying this recently..in the buildup to his fight with Oscar...I had said this the day after the Hopkins-Hoya fight.

Also, whether or not it was a solid punch means nothing. Oscar took the opportunity to lay down. Shane Mosley hit him with hellacious body punches for 24 rounds...Vargas did also in their fight. Yep..Hopkins is a Middleweight, and likely hits harder than the aforementions....but if Oscar had a chance to win that fight...he wouldn't have stayed down and made such a "show" of it.

You're a retard ...

You are now MY target .....

[Erratic]

Well , I meant if he wasn't in on it , and Oscar did really quit , then why would Bernard make up a lie and say he heard Oscar make a weird noise and heard the air come out of him ?
Unless Oscar perfectly timed it faked that as well ...

Well if Oscar did quit and Bernard thought so, I tend to think Bernard would rather say he stopped him with a perfectly placed liver shot than saying the guy who just gave him the biggest payday of his career quit.

[Double L]

what i don't understand is why nobody accuses Quintana of quitting, or Dorin, but everyone is 100% positive that ODH did. seems ridiculous. i have to wonder why so many find it hard to believe that a perfectly placed liver shot can end a fight. i wonder if those same people have ever been hit with one. and bear in mind, when the shot is placed right, it doesn't matter how hard it is. so don't come back with, "it was a slap."

[CleanYourClock]

Well if Oscar did quit and Bernard thought so, I tend to think Bernard would rather say he stopped him with a perfectly placed liver shot than saying the guy who just gave him the biggest payday of his career quit.

I can see that .. However he stated this right after the fight ..
Just seems like quick thinking and the fact that he publicly stated this without reviewing the fight at all ...
I don't think Bernard made that up . I think it was the truth that he heard DLH make a weird noise and the air come out of him ...

[Baron]

what i don't understand is why nobody accuses Quintana of quitting, or Dorin, but everyone is 100% positive that ODH did. seems ridiculous. i have to wonder why so many find it hard to believe that a perfectly placed liver shot can end a fight. i wonder if those same people have ever been hit with one. and bear in mind, when the shot is placed right, it doesn't matter how hard it is. so don't come back with, "it was a slap."No matter how you try to spin it, the shot Gatti hit Dorin with looked way harder than the one Hopkins hit DLH with. The same can be said of Cotto-Quintana. I'm not saying DLH quit but the situations aren't the same. The minute Cotto and Gatti hit their opponent, I don't think anybody doubted how painfull they looked. The shot Hops landed didn't look spectacular at all.

[CleanYourClock]

what i don't understand is why nobody accuses Quintana of quitting, or Dorin, but everyone is 100% positive that ODH did. seems ridiculous. i have to wonder why so many find it hard to believe that a perfectly placed liver shot can end a fight. i wonder if those same people have ever been hit with one. and bear in mind, when the shot is placed right, it doesn't matter how hard it is. so don't come back with, "it was a slap."

Oscar said if he was prepared , he would have been able to take the shot but it caught him at the exact moment he relaxed his midsection muscles.

[Erratic]

what i don't understand is why nobody accuses Quintana of quitting, or Dorin, but everyone is 100% positive that ODH did. seems ridiculous. i have to wonder why so many find it hard to believe that a perfectly placed liver shot can end a fight. i wonder if those same people have ever been hit with one. and bear in mind, when the shot is placed right, it doesn't matter how hard it is. so don't come back with, "it was a slap."

Quintana?

Weren't some people calling him "Quitana" after the fight in which his corner begged him to come out and he refused?

As said before, the reasons why people question it are because it looked soft and Oscar's reaction on the floor.

We've all seen many body punch knockouts (and all of those punches looked like they landed much cleaner). In what fights other than this one have we seen the guy roll around in pain, hitting the canvas, rather than just freeze and barely move?

I'm not saying for sure that he did, I'm Donnybrooking it and I'm on the fence. But I'm just saying why people question it.

It's not just fans who question it, people in boxing who have boxed before have questioned it too.

[Jake]

ha, I was talking about Northeast Promotions this morning, and in listing the fighters I knew of, accidentally spelled out Quitana instead of Quintana :lol:

BTW I am honored that my quote occupies your sig space, Sir Erratic :bears:

[Erratic]

You can disagree, but it is just an opinion and it is one I have backed up. I said 98% as an exaggeration which someone with reasonable intelligence would understand. Oscar looked foolish and missed more shots than he landed and often looked like an amatuer, do you agree or not? I believe he gave Floyd the fight. Floyd is a good/great whatever adjective you want fighter, but Oscar shouldn't be losing to guys based on tactical errors. I really believe in my heart that Oscar had this fight and gave it up because he fought stupidly. I think that is disgraceful. I guess you don't agree.
The only other fight which comes close to being disgraceful is the Tito fight and frankly, they need to change the rules because Oscar had a huge lead (or should have) and did what he had to do. Maybe Tito should not have gotten so schooled in the first 3/4 of the fight. I am one of the greatest posters in the history of the net. If I am stupid, then everyone else must be retarded.

I think you're being a little harsh. Well, your opinion of someone being "disgraceful" is a little different than others. When I think of a fighter being disgraceful, I think less of their ring intelligence/strategy and more of their effort. Such as, Zab Judah blatantly fouling Floyd Mayweather or Bruce Seldon's "effort" against Mike Tyson.

Oscar fought hard and was competitive with a younger, faster guy, he just made some bad tactical decisions and got tired. This is far from the first time that De La Hoya has made some tactical blunders or got tired.


ha, I was talking about Northeast Promotions this morning, and in listing the fighters I knew of, accidentally spelled out Quitana instead of Quintana :lol:

BTW I am honored that my quote occupies your sig space, Sir Erratic :bears:

It was a good quote, but not all of it could fit in the sig space.

[Rubio MHS]

Seldon-Bowe was even more blatant.