PAVLIK vs TAYLOR...

[REEDsART]

Look,this ISN'T Some Post Fight EXCITEMENT Shit Going On...

REED TRUELY Believes that Kelly Pavlik would BEAT Jermain Taylor...TOMORROW!!!...By KO!!!...

Like REED has Been Saying,Kelly Pavlik is THE Next "Big Thing" N Boxing...He'll WAX Taylor,he'll WAX Calzaghe & Who Knows,a Couple Years from Now,he Could Become the Lightheavy Champ...

This Cat BOLDLY Fought the "Puncher",Edison Miranda,N the POCKET,TOOK his BEST Shots,SHRUGGED them Off & BEAT The Living Shit Out of his Ass...

For All the Hype Miranda was Getting,U've GOT to Say that Kelly Pavlik is THE REALfuckingDEAL!!!....

He DOMINATED Miranda!!!...

REED:cool:

[jaws1216]

alright alright cmon now.

And Taylor doesn't stand any chance in any MM's with anyone.

He fought disgracefully, but it was Stinks in there helping him look awful. I was very impressed with Pavlik, but I think there quite a leap in skill from Miranda to Taylor

[REEDsART]

alright alright cmon now.

And Taylor doesn't stand any chance in any MM's with anyone.

He fought disgracefully, but it was Stinks in there helping him look awful. I was very impressed with Pavlik, but I think there quite a leap in skill from Miranda to TaylorHonestly,JAWS...

REED Doesn't See Much "Skill" N Jermain Taylor....What do YOU See that REED Doesn't???...


REED:dunno:

[Haymaker]

I'd like to see pavlik spank abraham first, and shut his mouth once and for all.

[Xplosive]

The one weakness I see in Kelly is that he isnt very fast handed, but I dont think it'd matter. Taylor's no defensive wiz. Pavlik KO's Taylor within 8 rounds. Hell, if Miranda isnt ruined by tonight's beating, I still think he could possibly beat Taylor. Jermain blows!

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

I still favor Taylor....Pavlik will make Taylor fight, and for the first time in his career Taylor will have to fight hard or get KO.....against Winky he worked hard, but Winky isn't much of a puncher...and Hopkins was tooo passive in both fights with Taylor, Jermain could reset against those guys, Pavlik won't give him any time to get confy.....those 3 fights(Winky &Hop) will feel like walks in the part compare to what Pavlik will bring him.

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

I'd like to see pavlik spank abraham first, and shut his mouth once and for all.

if that means going to Europe...THEN FUCK/scratch that.... :nono:

[Xplosive]

Look,this ISN'T Some Post Fight EXCITEMENT Shit Going On...

REED TRUELY Believes that Kelly Pavlik would BEAT Jermain Taylor...TOMORROW!!!...By KO!!!...

Like REED has Been Saying,Kelly Pavlik is THE Next "Big Thing" N Boxing...He'll WAX Taylor,he'll WAX Calzaghe & Who Knows,a Couple Years from Now,he Could Become the Lightheavy Champ...

This Cat BOLDLY Fought the "Puncher",Edison Miranda,N the POCKET,TOOK his BEST Shots,SHRUGGED them Off & BEAT The Living Shit Out of his Ass...

For All the Hype Miranda was Getting,U've GOT to Say that Kelly Pavlik is THE REALfuckingDEAL!!!....

He DOMINATED Miranda!!!...

REED:cool:

I dont know about him waxing Calzaghe, unless Joe turns old overnight. Much as I hate Sloppy Joe, he's MUCH quicker than Kelly, and probably physically stronger.

[valdosta]

I'd probably have to favor Pavlik. I figure Taylor is being kept away from guys who punch hard for a reason. Pavlik can be a bit sloppy but the truth is I think his straight right hand would hit Taylor and knock him out. Pavlik isn't the fastest but he throws a MUCH better straight right than Taylor does.

[Xplosive]

I still favor Taylor....Pavlik will make Taylor fight, and for the first time in his career Taylor will have to fight hard or get KO.....against Winky he worked hard, but Winky isn't much of a puncher...and Hopkins was tooo passive in both fights with Taylor, Jermain could reset against those guys, Pavlik won't give him any time to get confy.....those fights compare to what Pavlik will bring will feel like a walk in the part for Taylor.

No the hell it wont! Neither Hopkins nor Winky brings to the table the power, and killer instinct that Pavlik has. Not to mention that both Hop & Winky have seen better days, whereas Kelly is JUST hitting his peak at 26.

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

Taylor has options....


Pavlik
Duddy
Calslappy
Mayweather


...the money fights are Mayweather and Calslappy...Mayweather is the smaller guy that brings alot of publicity if Taylor wins he becomes that more popular etc..etc..Calzaghe fight is ALOT of MONEY, but will it make him MORE popular in the STATES? I don't think so..AVOID CALSLAPPY.....the easy(if such thing exist for Taylor, even wat look like an easy fight is difficult for him) would be Duddy...but that also is a big fight if it happens in NYC and will have alot of Press coverage....and Pavlik is the middle ground fight....some moeny MONEY and some publicity.....

[Inside Whiskey's sister 24/7]

No the hell it wont! Neither Hopkins nor Winky brings to the table the power, and killer instinct that Pavlik has. Not to mention that both Hop & Winky have seen better days, whereas Kelly is JUST hitting his peak at 26.

:warning: I got it backwards...i was trying to say what you said...Pavlik will bring something that Taylor has NEVER seen before...power, aggression for 12 rounds...etc..and all that other stuff....a young guy that isn't afraid of getting hit like Hopkins...

[Mitchell Kane]

This is like the boxing version of the movie "Fallen"...after a loss, the hype flows seemlessly from one fighter to the next.

Miranda was a deeply flawed fighter that received way too much credit for a fight that he lost...one I'm still not convinced a lot of fans or writers have seen.

Pavlik showed a better chin than expected, and his stamina was good as well, but Miranda's defense was similar to Mayorga's...and a more skilled fighter with superior technique and shorter punches - and that encompasses a lot of fighters - that can take or avoid/block his punches stands a good chance of not only beating him, but looking great in the process.

As little as I think of Taylor - I don't think he beat Hopkins or Wright in any of their three fights - I still think he beats Pavlik, and I think Calzaghe would outclass him.

[IMDAZED]

I still favor Taylor....Pavlik will make Taylor fight, and for the first time in his career Taylor will have to fight hard or get KO.....against Winky he worked hard, but Winky isn't much of a puncher...and Hopkins was tooo passive in both fights with Taylor, Jermain could reset against those guys, Pavlik won't give him any time to get confy.....those fights compare to what Pavlik will bring will feel like a walk in the part for Taylor.

Nothing will force Taylor to fight hard. Almost all of Jermain's past few bouts have been up in the air going into the championship rounds and he's lost most of them. He barely attacked Spinks, a guy he should knocked out of the ring in six.

Pavlik will bring the heat and unless Taylor, who hasn't scored a KO since he fought his sparring partner, can catch him clean coming in and hurt him, he's going to get KTFO. The safe bet is Pavlik outworks him.

[Mitchell Kane]

Nothing will force Taylor to fight hard. Almost all of Jermain's past few bouts have been up in the air going into the championship rounds and he's lost most of them. He barely attacked Spinks, a guy he should knocked out of the ring in six.

Pavlik will bring the heat and unless Taylor, who hasn't scored a KO since he fought his sparring partner, can catch him clean coming in and hurt him, he's going to get KTFO. The safe bet is Pavlik outworks him.

Pavlik is flat footed with slow hands. He may throw more punches, but I don't see him landing more.

[IMDAZED]

Pavlik is flat footed with slow hands. He may throw more punches, but I don't see him landing more.

I think he will. His punches are slow but he throws alot of them. Not off his backfoot either. Taylor, on the other hand, is not very accurate or active. He'll get outworked and if he's not careful, knocked out. His chin remains a question mark at this point.

[Trplsec]

Look,this ISN'T Some Post Fight EXCITEMENT Shit Going On...

REED TRUELY Believes that Kelly Pavlik would BEAT Jermain Taylor...TOMORROW!!!...By KO!!!...

Like REED has Been Saying,Kelly Pavlik is THE Next "Big Thing" N Boxing...He'll WAX Taylor,he'll WAX Calzaghe & Who Knows,a Couple Years from Now,he Could Become the Lightheavy Champ...

This Cat BOLDLY Fought the "Puncher",Edison Miranda,N the POCKET,TOOK his BEST Shots,SHRUGGED them Off & BEAT The Living Shit Out of his Ass...

For All the Hype Miranda was Getting,U've GOT to Say that Kelly Pavlik is THE REALfuckingDEAL!!!....

He DOMINATED Miranda!!!...

REED:cool:


To me, that was the most impressive part of the fight.. He didn't try to avoid Miranda's power. It seemed like he intentionally took flush shots to take away Miranda's will.. It worked.

I was wrong about Pavlik (moreso about Miranda), and I would give him an even money shot now against Taylor and Calzaghe. He would be a clear favorite against Abraham in my opinion..

[steve_dave]

Pavlik is gonna KO Taylor.

[slystaff]

Look,this ISN'T Some Post Fight EXCITEMENT Shit Going On...

REED TRUELY Believes that Kelly Pavlik would BEAT Jermain Taylor...TOMORROW!!!...By KO!!!...

Like REED has Been Saying,Kelly Pavlik is THE Next "Big Thing" N Boxing...He'll WAX Taylor,he'll WAX Calzaghe & Who Knows,a Couple Years from Now,he Could Become the Lightheavy Champ...

This Cat BOLDLY Fought the "Puncher",Edison Miranda,N the POCKET,TOOK his BEST Shots,SHRUGGED them Off & BEAT The Living Shit Out of his Ass...

For All the Hype Miranda was Getting,U've GOT to Say that Kelly Pavlik is THE REALfuckingDEAL!!!....

He DOMINATED Miranda!!!...

REED:cool:

He'd give Taylor hell...not sure he'd beat him though. No defense, sloppy punching Miranda is an easy guy to look good against...and fucking featherfisted unhittable running Spinks is an easy guy to look bad against.

Pavlik may have a very good chin and punch very hard AND be a big Middleweight...but what most are forgetting in this post fight hysteria...is that the man is TOO EASY TO HIT.

He may drop Taylor and always has a puncher's chance...but for the most part Taylor would tattoo his ass!

[ElTerriblee]

He'd give Taylor hell...not sure he'd beat him though. No defense, sloppy punching Miranda is an easy guy to look good against...and fucking featherfisted unhittable running Spinks is an easy guy to look bad against.

Pavlik may have a very good chin and punch very hard AND be a big Middleweight...but what most are forgetting in this post fight hysteria...is that the man is TOO EASY TO HIT.

Absolutely. He eats right hands like Taylor misses them, at a very high rate. Nevertheless Pavlik chopped down Miranda already, Sturm has a proven horrible chin. Taylor must have a bad chin the way he is matched and reacts to featherfisted fighters, which gives Pavlik an excellent chance as long as he can take Taylor´s right and doesn´t eat too many of them. Abraham probably has the best tools to beat Pavlik as long as he keeps his mouth shut. :kick:

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

I would pick Pavlik over Taylor but not Calzaghe. Calzaghe has faced terrible opposistion but he is a very good fighter.

[who?]

great fight last night, the pavlik one, but he ain't going to "wax calzaghe", no middleweight would wax a guy with his chin, his size and a guy that has campaigned at super middle and faced bigger punchers than pavlik.

calm down there bucko.

[Orthodox Crusader]

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[mexican wedding shirt]

No pavlik doesn't have very fast hands, and come SOMETIMES look a little sloppy, but it doesn't matter. Taylor isn't a speed demon either, and Pavlik lands his punches. He can be pretty accurate, even though his punches sometimes look telegraphed, he can land them flush. And he has the necessary skills, and he has the BALLS to actually fight.

Not only that, I was amazed at how little effect Miranda's punches had, the guy that broke abraham's jaw etc. Pavlik was never in trouble at all.

In round 5 I think, Miranda landed 3 big rights, and pavlik even shrugged those off. He didn't seem to care that much about getting hit by miranda.

His jaw is solid, no doubt.

I think he'd take taylor out too.

I am not too sure about Calzaghe though. I am not exactly a huge calzaghe fan, but the guy can fight, and he is very tough.

[Mitchell Kane]

Miranda is at least a couple inches shorter than Taylor, and he fights smaller...and his footwork is poor, he had trouble setting his feet all night against Pavlik, which allowed the Ghost to come forward against him. Miranda has never appeared to me to have a strong base. Against a bigger, stronger fighter like Pavlik, he was the one being backed up and pushed around the ring.

Taylor has a much stronger base, he won't be backing up all night. He's also taller than Miranda - only about 1-1 1/2 inches shorter than Pavlik - and he fights taller. He also has a good jab, and USES it, and I think Taylor will have a lot of success with that punch against Pavlik. Wouldn't be surprised to see Pavlik busted up with that punch. Taylor's quickness will also be an advantage against Pavlik.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Miranda is at least a couple inches shorter than Taylor, and he fights smaller...and his footwork is poor, he had trouble setting his feet all night against Pavlik, which allowed the Ghost to come forward against him. Miranda has never appeared to me to have a strong base. Against a bigger, stronger fighter like Pavlik, he was the one being backed up and pushed around the ring.

Taylor has a much stronger base, he won't be backing up all night. He's also taller than Miranda - only about 1-1 1/2 inches shorter than Pavlik - and he fights taller. He also has a good jab, and USES it, and I think Taylor will have a lot of success with that punch against Pavlik. Wouldn't be surprised to see Pavlik busted up with that punch. Taylor's quickness will also be an advantage against Pavlik.


Compare that to Abraham...who is quite happy to back off, and maintains a high guard, and is quite FAST moving in and closing the range. I'm telling you, Abraham is a smarter fighter than Pavlik when it comes to these things. Pavlik is good at what he does, but he is slow.

[Free Ike]

I hope Pavlik kills him. I am a fan and I admit he is better than what I thought he was but he still isn't very good. Larry straight out stated that JT's people don't want him to fight a puncher. :lol: :lol: I have heard haters say that here, but he has never proven to be chinny. In fact, has he even ever been down?

[Haymaker]

Taylor doesn't have a good stamina, he gasses out by the middle rounds. Pavlik will be throwing the whole fight, nevermind HARD shots, and taking Taylor's, adding to the champ's discouragement and mental fatigue. Pavlik UD12 Taylor, because jermain is a tough SOB.

[Mitchell Kane]

I hope Pavlik kills him. I am a fan and I admit he is better than what I thought he was but he still isn't very good. Larry straight out stated that JT's people don't want him to fight a puncher. :lol: :lol: I have heard haters say that here, but he has never proven to be chinny. In fact, has he even ever been down?

Don't talk down about what will be the biggest middleweight fight in recent memory.:lol:

[ElTerriblee]

I hope Pavlik kills him. I am a fan and I admit he is better than what I thought he was but he still isn't very good. Larry straight out stated that JT's people don't want him to fight a puncher. :lol: :lol: I have heard haters say that here, but he has never proven to be chinny. In fact, has he even ever been down?

We said Vitali has no chin, we said Mundine has no chin, we said Pavlik has no chin. At one point the haters will be right, Taylor has no chin. :crafty: :crafty:

Who was supposed to knock him down anyway? Hopkins, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Joppy? :dunno:

The bad part for Taylor is he has nowhere to hide. Abraham, Pavlik, Miranda, Calzaghe, Kessler, Simms, Dzinziruk, even the IBF-SMW scrub Berrio can crack. Everybody that is left can punch or outbox him. He has nowhere to hide except Mayweather. Pavlik cornered him with his performance, Duddy and Mora won´t fly. :lol:

[Free Ike]

We said Vitali has no chin, we said Mundine has no chin, we said Pavlik has no chin. At one point the haters will be right, Taylor has no chin. :crafty: :crafty:

Who was supposed to knock him down anyway? Hopkins, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Joppy? :dunno:

The bad part for Taylor is he has nowhere to hide. Abraham, Pavlik, Miranda, Calzaghe, Kessler, Simms, Dzinziruk, even the IBF-SMW scrub Berrio can crack. Everybody that is left can punch or outbox him. He has nowhere to hide except Mayweather. Pavlik cornered him with his performance, Duddy and Mora won´t fly. :lol:
Taylor would knock Abraham out 10 out of 10 times. He might suck but JT is 5 levels above Abraham who is the worst title holder in boxing, without exception.

[ElTerriblee]

Taylor would knock Abraham out 10 out of 10 times. He might suck but JT is 5 levels above Abraham who is the worst title holder in boxing, without exception.

Yeah, whatever. I´m sure he´s worse than guys like Mzonke Fana, David Diaz, Shannon Briggs, Enzo Maccarinelli, or Stipe Drews. :lol: :lol:

Has Taylor even knocked down a top 50 middleweight?

[Free Ike]

Yeah, whatever. I´m sure he´s worse than guys like Mzonke Fana, David Diaz, Shannon Briggs, Enzo Maccarinelli, or Stipe Drews. :lol: :lol:
Yes.

[Double L]

I hope Pavlik kills him. I am a fan and I admit he is better than what I thought he was but he still isn't very good. Larry straight out stated that JT's people don't want him to fight a puncher. :lol: :lol: I have heard haters say that here, but he has never proven to be chinny. In fact, has he even ever been down?

well, according to you, Pavlik is chinny. maybe you should bow out of this discussion.

[REEDsART]

Taylor has a much stronger base, he won't be backing up all night. He's also taller than Miranda - only about 1-1 1/2 inches shorter than Pavlik - and he fights taller. He also has a good jab, and USES it, and I think Taylor will have a lot of success with that punch against Pavlik. Wouldn't be surprised to see Pavlik busted up with that punch. Taylor's quickness will also be an advantage against Pavlik.So Winky Wright can SUCCESSFULLY Back Taylor Up for 12 Rounds,but Kelly Pavlik CAN'T???...


REED:dunno:

[Son of Payton]

The only way you could excuse Taylor for NOT fighting Pavlik next is if he instead took on Arthur Abraham. Other than that, Taylor must fight a top challenger IN HIS OWN WEIGHT CLASS.

But you heard it from his own mouth...not his promoter, not his manager...he will fight whoever brings the most money. Period.

Taylor has zero credibility left, as far as I'm concerned.

[KaukipRrr]

The only way you could excuse Taylor for NOT fighting Pavlik next is if he instead took on Arthur Abraham. Other than that, Taylor must fight a top challenger IN HIS OWN WEIGHT CLASS.

But you heard it from his own mouth...not his promoter, not his manager...he will fight whoever brings the most money. Period.

Taylor has zero credibility left, as far as I'm concerned.

:nono: Ah, he's still got a few years left to play around, take a look at Fraud Mayweather between the period 2002 to 2007... it never stopped his reputation from excelling beyond extremes.

[Bob N Weave]

Will you stop trying to turn every damn thread into a "Fraud" bashing thread????

[KaukipRrr]

Will you stop trying to turn every damn thread into a "Fraud" bashing thread????

:nono: Sorry, but it's logical, for you see, at Fightbeat, boxing is centred around Fraud Mayweather, somebodies gotta try and act like the fucken pivot, besides which, take a captain cooke at the Taylor hate, the unanimous grit is so strong that it's blinding, therefore if I can bash Fraud in every second thread Im sure to upset someone,..

[REEDsART]

Will you stop trying to turn every damn thread into a "Fraud" bashing thread????Yeah,it's Getting OLD...

When NOBODY Else Mentions or even THINKS about "Fraud" U can ALWAYS Count on Kaukiprrr to Do It...


REED:rolleyes:

[Bob N Weave]

:nono: Sorry, but it's logical, for you see, at Fightbeat, boxing is centred around Fraud Mayweather, somebodies gotta try and act like the fucken pivot, besides which, take a captain cooke at the Taylor hate, the unanimous grit is so strong that it's blinding, therefore if I can bash Fraud in every second thread Im sure to upset someone,..

Well, surely you know that this deep hate clearly shows your frustration with the fact that hes not losing.:clap:

[REEDsART]

Well, surely you know that this deep hate clearly shows your frustration with the fact that hes not losing.:clap:BULLSEYE...


REED:bears:

[Neil]

The only way you could excuse Taylor for NOT fighting Pavlik next is if he instead took on Arthur Abraham. Other than that, Taylor must fight a top challenger IN HIS OWN WEIGHT CLASS.

But you heard it from his own mouth...not his promoter, not his manager...he will fight whoever brings the most money. Period.

Taylor has zero credibility left, as far as I'm concerned.

believe it or not I don't think taylor gives a fuck about your concerns... these guys are PRIZE fighters, that means c.r.e.a.m.

[KaukipRrr]

Yeah,it's Getting OLD...

When NOBODY Else Mentions or even THINKS about "Fraud" U can ALWAYS Count on Kaukiprrr to Do It...


REED:rolleyes:

He's the great fightbeat standard, and when you bash Jermaine Taylor ironically in "kaukiprr like" fashion, Fraud is the fighter I'm naturally going to make reference, for you see, he has set an endless amount of 'Fraudulent' precedents that you seem to overlook when bashing another fighter of your choice....namely Jermaine Taylor..:nono: Fraud has single handedly driven the sport into the dust, so all I have to do during these adverse times is open up the book. :dunno:

[REEDsART]

He's the great fightbeat standard, and when you bash Jermaine Taylor ironically in "kaukiprr like" fashion, Fraud is the fighter I'm naturally going to make reference, for you see, he has set an endless amount of 'Fraudulent' precedents that you seem to overlook when bashing another fighter of your choice....namely Jermaine Taylor..:nono: Fraud has single handedly driven the sport into the dust, so all I have to do during these adverse times is open up the book. :dunno:Jermain Taylor ISN'T the LEAST Bit Comparable to "Fraud" Mayweather:nono: ...

Resume,Accomplishments,Talents...

N EVERY Regard,"Fraud" SHITS on Taylor...

The Soooooooooner U EMBRACE this FACT,the Better Off U'll B,Homey...


REED:cool:

[Son of Payton]

believe it or not I don't think taylor gives a fuck about your concerns... these guys are PRIZE fighters, that means c.r.e.a.m.

...and if enough people don't give a shit anymore, that means the amount of the PRIZE goes down.

That means b.r.o.k.e.

[Neil]

...and if enough people don't give a shit anymore, that means the amount of the PRIZE goes down.

That means b.r.o.k.e.

you'll be watching no matter who he fights. you sedentary fans amuse me for criticizing a guy who is risking his health for going after the highest payday....

[Son of Payton]

you'll be watching no matter who he fights. you sedentary fans amuse me for criticizing a guy who is risking his health for going after the highest payday....

More fights like last night, and all of Taylor's fans will be sedentary. Or perhaps you didn't see the sparse crowd last night? :lol: @ the thought of Taylor "risking his health" against the likes of Cory Spinks.

I thought the crowd for Taylor-Wright was bad...last night was embarassing.

[Mitchell Kane]

So Winky Wright can SUCCESSFULLY Back Taylor Up for 12 Rounds,but Kelly Pavlik CAN'T???...


REED:dunno:

Not without taking a lot more clean punches.

Pavlik will be busted up by Taylor's jab.

[REEDsART]

Not without taking a lot more clean punches.

Pavlik will be busted up by Taylor's jab.Taylor's Jab Isn't THAT Good...Neither is his TIMING or ACCURACY...

& it DOESN'T Take Much to MAKE Taylor NEGLECT his Jab Either...

Sure,Taylor's TALL & Loooooooooong,but let's NOT Pretend that he has a DOMINANT Jab...

He DOESN'T...

It's Not BAD,per se,but it's NOT a Fight Altering,CONTROLLING Jab Either...


REED:cool:

[IMDAZED]

Not without taking a lot more clean punches.

Pavlik will be busted up by Taylor's jab.

I thought we established how overrated Taylor's jab is. Or at least Hopkins did. Did you forget those numerous rights he swalowed against him? Imagine those coming from a PUNCHER?

[Mitchell Kane]

I thought we established how overrated Taylor's jab is. Or at least Hopkins did. Did you forget those numerous rights he swalowed against him? Imagine those coming from a PUNCHER?

I thought we established Kelly Pavlik's defense and ring intelligence aren't close to Hopkins'. :dunno:

[Mitchell Kane]

Taylor's Jab Isn't THAT Good...Neither is his TIMING or ACCURACY...

& it DOESN'T Take Much to MAKE Taylor NEGLECT his Jab Either...

Sure,Taylor's TALL & Loooooooooong,but let's NOT Pretend that he has a DOMINANT Jab...

He DOESN'T...

It's Not BAD,per se,but it's NOT a Fight Altering,CONTROLLING Jab Either...


REED:cool:

His timing doesn't have to be great against Pavlik, Pavlik isn't getting out of the way of it. Pavlik's slow and his chin will be in the way of Taylor's jab all night long.

When Taylor sees an open and available target for his jab, he will let the punch go.

[Matchup_Analyzer]

If Hopkins was Pavliks size, he would have never brawled on the inside with Miranda, he would have fought on the outside

[IMDAZED]

I thought we established Kelly Pavlik's defense and ring intelligence aren't close to Hopkins'. :dunno:

He won't have to be. Who's a bigger puncher, Miranda or Taylor? How about this one - when was the last time Taylor scored a KO over someone other than a sparring partner?

Or wait - when was the last time Taylor threw a decent left hook?

How about this one - when was the last time Taylor faced a puncher?

Taylor is regressing. And he carries just as many questions as Pavlik. A victory over Pavlik isn't etched in stone. Sh*t, I wasn't even sure he was going to beat Cory Spinks last night.

[REEDsART]

His timing doesn't have to be great against Pavlik, Pavlik isn't getting out of the way of it. Pavlik's slow and his chin will be in the way of Taylor's jab all night long.

When Taylor sees an open and available target for his jab, he will let the punch go.When's the LAST Time Taylor Showed a CONSISTENTLY DOMINANT Jab???...

Joppy??...Edouard???:dunno: ...

Like REED Said,Taylor's Jab isn't BAD,but let's NOT Pretend that it's a CONSISTENT Weapon of his,Either:nono: ...

@ BEST,Taylor has a "SomeTIMEY" Jab...

REED:cool:

[Matchup_Analyzer]

Taylor is regressing. And he carries just as many questions as Pavlik. A victory over Pavlik isn't etched in stone. Sh*t, I wasn't even sure he was going to beat Cory Spinks last night.

Could be, I definitely was thinking Spinks could have been the one who got the SD win

[REEDsART]

1 Other Thing...

NO,Pavlik Most Certainly DIDN'T Resemble Meldrick Taylor or Roy Jones N the SPEED Department,but by that Same Token,REED HASN'T Seen the "Slow" Kelly Pavlik that Others Continue to Reference...

Pavlik's AVERAGE or Perhaps SLIGHTLY BELOW that N the Speed Department,but NOT "Slow"...


REED:nono:

[Mitchell Kane]

He won't have to be. Who's a bigger puncher, Miranda or Taylor? How about this one - when was the last time Taylor scored a KO over someone other than a sparring partner?

Or wait - when was the last time Taylor threw a decent left hook?

How about this one - when was the last time Taylor faced a puncher?

Taylor is regressing. And he carries just as many questions as Pavlik. A victory over Pavlik isn't etched in stone. Sh*t, I wasn't even sure he was going to beat Cory Spinks last night.

It's amazing how much one win - over a fighter as flawed as Miranda - and some cheerleading can do for a fighter.

Miranda is a bigger puncher, but he's not as physically strong and he has aboslutely no jab to speak of.

I'm not a Taylor fan, I think he's severly limited and give him no chance against Calzaghe or Kessler...and have been saying that for a long time.

I don't think Taylor beat Hopkins or Wright in any of their fights. I've said that continuously since the fights occurred.

I don't see Taylor knocking Pavlik out, but he will hit Pavlik repeatedly with his jab and Pavlik's face will swell and he might cut at some point in the fight.

Taylor hasn't fought that many punchers - most of his career before fighting Joppy and Hopkins was spent against jr. middles, as has most of his career since fighting Hopkins - but I don't think his chin is as vulnerable as some are suggest, though it has been protected.

[IMDAZED]

Could be, I definitely was thinking Spinks could have been the one who got the SD win

Agreed. I fell asleep midway through the 8th so I'm not sure how many rounds Taylor won after that. But I could count on one hand the number of clean punches he landed before that.

[Matchup_Analyzer]

Agreed. I fell asleep midway through the 8th so I'm not sure how many rounds Taylor one after that. But I could on one hand the number of clean punches he landed before that.

I was thinking late in the fight that theres no way Taylor landed in the double digits in any round, I almost fell asleep myself but when the verdict was being read I broke in a cold sweat at the thought of Spinks winning, and having to see him on a televised main event once again

[IMDAZED]

It's amazing how much one win - over a fighter as flawed as Miranda - and some cheerleading can do for a fighter.

[QUOTE]Miranda is a bigger puncher, but he's not as hard of a puncher and he has aboslutely no jab to speak of.

So then what does that say about Taylor?: I ask again, who has he KO'ed???


I'm not a Taylor nuthugger, I think he's severly limited and give him no chance against Calzaghe or Kessler...and have been saying that for a long time.

I concur.


I don't think Taylor beat Hopkins or Wright in any of their fights. I've said that continuously since the fights occurred. I am not a fan of Taylor.

Agreed again. I had the second a draw but, to be honest, the second should've never occured. I thought Hops won the first handily.


I don't see Taylor knocking Pavlik out, but he will hit Pavlik repeatedly with his jab and Pavlik's face will swell and he might cut at some point in the fight.

With what jab? Can you point out the last time this jab looked effective? You have a lot more confidence in this jab then Taylor does. He barely tries anymore. And if you think Pavlik's face is going to get messed up, just remember what KO artist Winky Wright did to JT's grill.


Taylor hasn't fought that many punchers - most of his career before fighting Joppy and Hopkins was spent against jr. middles, as has most of his career since fighting Hopkins - but I don't think his chin is as vulnerable as some are suggest, though it has been protected.

Yes, and aside from Joppy and Hops, he continues with fighting junior middles. He's never been in with a big puncher. And his history of fighting little guys suggests his power is muy overrated.

Taylor's got a largely ineffective jab, a decent right hand and no left hook to speak of. YES, Pavlik can beat him.

[Mitchell Kane]

[QUOTE=Mitchell Kane]It's amazing how much one win - over a fighter as flawed as Miranda - and some cheerleading can do for a fighter.



So then what does that say about Taylor?: I ask again, who has he KO'ed???



I concur.



Agreed again. I had the second a draw but, to be honest, the second should've never occured. I thought Hops won the first handily.



With what jab? Can you point out the last time this jab looked effective? You have a lot more confidence in this jab then Taylor does. He barely tries anymore. And if you think Pavlik's face is going to get messed up, just remember what KO artist Winky Wright did to JT's grill.



Yes, and aside from Joppy and Hops, he continues with fighting junior middles. He's never been in with a big puncher. And his history of fighting little guys suggests his power is muy overrated.

Taylor's got a largely ineffective jab, a decent right hand and no left hook to speak of. YES, Pavlik can beat him.

Taylor's been fighting guys a lot more skilled than Pavlik, it's a little disingenuous to point to fighters like Hopkins, Wright and Spinks and conclude Taylor's jab is "largely ineffective."

Against a fighter like Kelly Pavlik, I think Taylor's jab will look just fine.

[valdosta]

His jab wasn't great against guys like Joppy or Marquez either. Pavlik is certainly vulnerable to the right types of fighters but I do not believe taylor is 1 of them. I believe the guy has been dropped and/or ko'ed in the gym because the way this guy is being matched is beyond ridiculous. Pavlik's right hand IS going to hit Taylor. Taylor won't react well. The styles are just all wrong for Taylor unless he hurts Pavlik he's not beating.

[IMDAZED]

His jab wasn't great against guys like Joppy or Marquez either. Pavlik is certainly vulnerable to the right types of fighters but I do not believe taylor is 1 of them. I believe the guy has been dropped and/or ko'ed in the gym because the way this guy is being matched is beyond ridiculous. Pavlik's right hand IS going to hit Taylor. Taylor won't react well. The styles are just all wrong for Taylor unless he hurts Pavlik he's not beating.

The word from Kronk is that Taylor is "a work in progress." His tenacity and size kept him in there with Winky and Hops.

That size and strength is basically the main reason why he HASN'T lost his past FIVE fights. But now it's time for him to fight a true middleweight :popcorn:

[Mitchell Kane]

His jab wasn't great against guys like Joppy or Marquez either. Pavlik is certainly vulnerable to the right types of fighters but I do not believe taylor is 1 of them. I believe the guy has been dropped and/or ko'ed in the gym because the way this guy is being matched is beyond ridiculous. Pavlik's right hand IS going to hit Taylor. Taylor won't react well. The styles are just all wrong for Taylor unless he hurts Pavlik he's not beating.

Taylor does have a tendency to leave it short.

I still think he hits Pavlik with it...a lot.

[dsimon3387]

This is like the boxing version of the movie "Fallen"...after a loss, the hype flows seemlessly from one fighter to the next.

Miranda was a deeply flawed fighter that received way too much credit for a fight that he lost...one I'm still not convinced a lot of fans or writers have seen.

Pavlik showed a better chin than expected, and his stamina was good as well, but Miranda's defense was similar to Mayorga's...and a more skilled fighter with superior technique and shorter punches - and that encompasses a lot of fighters - that can take or avoid/block his punches stands a good chance of not only beating him, but looking great in the process.

As little as I think of Taylor - I don't think he beat Hopkins or Wright in any of their three fights - I still think he beats Pavlik, and I think Calzaghe would outclass him.

dsimon writes:

You come here on this forum and act like just because you are using reason, common sense and viewing things carefully people should listen to you. Frankly I am sick of it. Who do you think you are? :lol:

As much as it pains me I also think people are making Pavlik out to be the next best thing since sliced bread. He fought well and deserves a chance to fight Taylor I am not certain he can beat Taylor.

[dsimon3387]

[quote=IMDAZED]

Taylor's been fighting guys a lot more skilled than Pavlik, it's a little disingenuous to point to fighters like Hopkins, Wright and Spinks and conclude Taylor's jab is "largely ineffective."

Against a fighter like Kelly Pavlik, I think Taylor's jab will look just fine.

dsimon writes:

Pavlik got hit a lot against Miranda.

[Orthodox Crusader]

dsimon writes:

You come here on this forum and act like just because you are using reason, common sense and viewing things carefully people should listen to you. Frankly I am sick of it. Who do you think you are? :lol:

As much as it pains me I also think people are making Pavlik out to be the next best thing since sliced bread. He fought well and deserves a chance to fight Taylor I am not certain he can beat Taylor.


Miranda is basically a poorer version of Kelly Pavlik. Thats the only rational conclusion I can draw. He was the lesser of two punchers in a punchout. Thats it.

[REEDsART]

[quote=Mitchell Kane]

dsimon writes:

Pavlik got hit a lot against Miranda.& Miranda Takes ALOT more RISKS than Jermain Taylor does...

Miranda is More WILLING to GET hit than Taylor is...


REED:cool:

[Orthodox Crusader]

[quote=dsimon3387]& Miranda Takes ALOT more RISKS than Jermain Taylor does...

Miranda is More WILLING to GET hit than Taylor is...
REED:cool:


Not any more he ain't:nono:

[valdosta]

Miranda is basically a poorer version of Kelly Pavlik. Thats the only rational conclusion I can draw. He was the lesser of two punchers in a punchout. Thats it.

Huh? Pavlik is MUCH more skilled than Miranda. Pavlik didn't just win because he hits harder.

[REEDsART]

[quote=REEDsART]


Not any more he ain't:nono:Says WHO???...


REED:dunno:

[Orthodox Crusader]

[quote=Orthodox Crusader]Says WHO???...


REED:dunno:


Oh....you think Edison is still game for tear-ups after his first KO loss??

All fighters get gunshy after their first KO loss.

They all start to protect that chin a bit more.

Wlad, Lenny, Oldyfield....

[Orthodox Crusader]

Huh? Pavlik is MUCH more skilled than Miranda. Pavlik didn't just win because he hits harder.


So he got his punches off better. Still doesn't change the fact that Pavlik is essentially a brawler.:nono:

[Mitchell Kane]

dsimon writes:

You come here on this forum and act like just because you are using reason, common sense and viewing things carefully people should listen to you. Frankly I am sick of it. Who do you think you are? :lol:

As much as it pains me I also think people are making Pavlik out to be the next best thing since sliced bread. He fought well and deserves a chance to fight Taylor I am not certain he can beat Taylor.

:lol:

Thanks, Dsimon.

This board reads like half the posters believe they saw Thomas Hearns in the ring last night.

It just seems very easy for a fighter to generate this type of reaction...especially when they do it against an exciting fighter that has no concept of defense.

[Mitchell Kane]

[quote=dsimon3387]& Miranda Takes ALOT more RISKS than Jermain Taylor does...

Miranda is More WILLING to GET hit than Taylor is...


REED:cool:

Miranda is forced to take "risks" and be "willing to get hit" because he has no other option.

That's the only way he can win.

It's allowed him to get pretty far in his career, but he's still lost to the two best fighters he's fought in Abraham and Pavlik.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Pavlik brawled yes, but there was skill involved. His timing and accuracy was good, he setup the big rights with a hard jab, threw some good combos etc.

Don't oversimplify things orth. That's like saying Morales and Barrera are simply "brawlers". No, they both have skill, they just happen to like a brawl.

[Orthodox Crusader]

:lol:

Thanks, Dsimon.

This board reads like half the posters believe they saw Thomas Hearns in the ring last night.

It just seems very easy for a fighter to generate this type of reaction...especially when they do it against an exciting fighter that has no concept of defense.


CITIZEN KANE you are a reputable man. Welcome aboard.:bears: :bears:

[Orthodox Crusader]

Pavlik brawled yes, but there was skill involved. His timing and accuracy was good, he setup the big rights with a hard jab, threw some good combos etc.

Don't oversimplify things orth. That's like saying Morales and Barrera are simply "brawlers". No, they both have skill, they just happen to like a brawl.


Pavlik brawls with skill.

He still brawls.

[StingerKarl]

Taylor and Lou are in no way going to fight Kelly right now, if ever, IMO.
Kelly is much too relentless and heavy handed for Jermain, and Taylor and Mr. Steward both know it.
Kelly would polish off Jermain in a rough fight by TKO, and Taylor knows it.

[IHATEJONES]

I don't see how Taylor beats Pavlik. Pavlik is bigger, probably stronger, punches harder, has better technique, throws better combinations, has a wider array of punches. Taylor only throws like 3 punches, and he gets off balance every time he throws a combination, his technique is terrible. The only reason he gets away with it is because he's physically so much bigger and stronger than the guys he fights. Taylor isn't even more skilled than Pavlik. The only advantage he has is speed and a good jab. Pavlik brings so many things to the table -- size, power, workrate, aggression -- that Taylor's never had to deal with at all, and now he's gonna be seeing all these things in one fighter.

[Matchup_Analyzer]

I'd like to see Taylor-Pavlik but I don't think it's going to happen, Taylor wants big coin fights

[Mitchell Kane]

I don't see how Taylor beats Pavlik. Pavlik is bigger, probably stronger, punches harder, has better technique, throws better combinations, has a wider array of punches. Taylor only throws like 3 punches, and he gets off balance every time he throws a combination, his technique is terrible. The only reason he gets away with it is because he's physically so much bigger and stronger than the guys he fights. Taylor isn't even more skilled than Pavlik. The only advantage he has is speed and a good jab. Pavlik brings so many things to the table -- size, power, workrate, aggression -- that Taylor's never had to deal with at all, and now he's gonna be seeing all these things in one fighter.

Pavlik is bigger, and longer, but his advantages aren't as big against Taylor as they were against Miranda...and Pavlik's arms are long and he loops his punches; his punches are often wide.

He won't be able to land as easily against most elite fighters as he did against Miranda.

And while Pavlik presents a different picture than most middleweights, there's a lot of things Pavlik hasn't seen in the ring, as well.

The two best fighters he's been in with are McKart and Miranda...it leaves a little something to be desired seeing as he's now granted the status as the seemingly unanimous #1 contender for Taylor.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Pavlik is bigger, and longer, but his advantages aren't as big against Taylor as they were against Miranda...and Pavlik's arms are long and he loops his punches; his punches are often wide.

He won't be able to land as easily against most elite fighters as he did against Miranda.

And while Pavlik presents a different picture than most middleweights, there's a lot of things Pavlik hasn't seen in the ring, as well.

The two best fighters he's been in with are McKart and Miranda...it leaves a little something to be desired seeing as he's now granted the status as the seemingly unanimous #1 contender for Taylor.


He's an American. If he was Kelly Pavlik, from Mars, he wouldn't be getting any press at all. Right complexion, right connexion.

[steve_dave]

He's an American. If he was Kelly Pavlik, from Mars, he wouldn't be getting any press at all. Right complexion, right connexion.

A fighter from Mars would get a ton of press, IMO.

[Orthodox Crusader]

A fighter from Mars would get a ton of press, IMO.


You can't even find Iraq. What makes you think you could find Mars???

Kelly is being talked up....I'll be honest with you...Kelly is the first White fighter since Lee Haskins that I have wanted to see get the absolute shit beat out of him.

All this yankee hype is really annoying.

[steve_dave]

You can't even find Iraq. What makes you think you could find Mars???

Kelly is being talked up....I'll be honest with you...Kelly is the first White fighter since Lee Haskins that I have wanted to see get the absolute shit beat out of him.

All this yankee hype is really annoying.


Wait... so he's not from Mars? I'm confused.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Wait... so he's not from Mars? I'm confused.


No. He's from Ohio. Not Mars, but close.

[steve_dave]

No. He's from Ohio. Not Mars, but close.

Thanks.

[steve_dave]

So who's from Mars?

[Mitchell Kane]

So who's from Mars?

This thread has taken a productive turn.

[steve_dave]

This thread has taken a productive turn.


:lol: Sorry, I'll stop.

I always used to like Taylor... and I thought he beat Hopkins clearly in the first fight and his draw with Wright was a fine dicision. But he's been ass in his last two fights, and Pavlik is a strong middle. Taylor is worse now than he was in 2004.

[IHATEJONES]

Pavlik is bigger, and longer, but his advantages aren't as big against Taylor as they were against Miranda...and Pavlik's arms are long and he loops his punches; his punches are often wide.

He won't be able to land as easily against most elite fighters as he did against Miranda.

And while Pavlik presents a different picture than most middleweights, there's a lot of things Pavlik hasn't seen in the ring, as well.

The two best fighters he's been in with are McKart and Miranda...it leaves a little something to be desired seeing as he's now granted the status as the seemingly unanimous #1 contender for Taylor.

His technique is still better than Taylor's. Do you actually expect to see Taylor sneak in some counters inside of Pavlik's shots with the way he loads up every punch? Taylor doesn't even look for the counter, he just throws whenever he's not afraid to get hit, which is why he hit Spinks after the bell like 3 times last night. Atleast Pavlik is capable of throwing a right hand without switching his lead foot like Taylor does.

[Mitchell Kane]

His technique is still better than Taylor's. Do you actually expect to see Taylor sneak in some counters inside of Pavlik's shots with the way he loads up every punch? Taylor doesn't even look for the counter, he just throws whenever he's not afraid to get hit, which is why he hit Spinks after the bell like 3 times last night. Atleast Pavlik is capable of throwing a right hand without switching his lead foot like Taylor does.

No, I expect Pavlik to miss a lot of punches, while not moving his head. Taylor, while no speed demon or defensive wizard, can at least change distances.

[REEDsART]

[quote=REEDsART]


Oh....you think Edison is still game for tear-ups after his first KO loss??

All fighters get gunshy after their first KO loss.

They all start to protect that chin a bit more.

Wlad, Lenny, Oldyfield....How "Gunshy" Did Tyson Get After his 1st KO Loss??...

Tommy Hearns???...Wilfredo Gomez??...Matthew Saad Muhammad???:dunno: ...

Class DISMISSED...


REED:cool:

[REEDsART]

So he got his punches off better. Still doesn't change the fact that Pavlik is essentially a brawler.:nono:Nah:nono: ...

Not Sure Just How MANY Pavlik Fights YOU'VE Seen,but he's MORE Boxer-Puncher than BRAWLER...

YES,Pavlik is AGGRESSIVE,but he's Usually a Bit More CAUTIOUS than we Saw Yesterday...


REED:cool:

[Rubio MHS]

Hate to side with Reed here - because he is a homosexual - but Tyson tried to kill himself shortly after the Douglas fight.

[Free Ike]

Honestly, I hope Pavlik stops JT. I was his last supporter although I have thought for years he wasn't very good. Not kayoing Spinks is just unforgiveable. Go Kelly.

[REEDsART]

:lol:

Thanks, Dsimon.

This board reads like half the posters believe they saw Thomas Hearns in the ring last night.

It just seems very easy for a fighter to generate this type of reaction...especially when they do it against an exciting fighter that has no concept of defense.Meanwhile,it's ALSO "Very Easy" to Play that ELITIST,Hard to Please Roll like YOU'RE Doing...

Was Pavlik IMPRESSIVE Last Night or Not???...


REED:dunno:

[REEDsART]

Hate to side with Reed here - because he is a homosexual - but Tyson tried to kill himself shortly after the Douglas fight.Hmmm????

REED is a "Homosexual",yet YOU Dedicated SIG SPACE to REED???...



REED:lol:

[Rubio MHS]

Hmmm????

REED is a "Homosexual",yet YOU Dedicated SIG SPACE to REED???...



REED:lol:Well, you did take pictures of that drag show. It's on www.seanreed.net (http://www.seanreed.net)

[Free Ike]

Hmmm????

REED is a "Homosexual",yet YOU Dedicated SIG SPACE to REED???...



REED:lol:
How is gayness related to having another poster in your sig? I don't see the connection. If that were true, 99% of the posters here would be gay and at best you'd be a contributor to the gayest site in boxing. I don't understand, friend.

[REEDsART]

Well, you did take pictures of that drag show. It's on www.seanreed.net (http://www.seanreed.net) Different "Sean Reed",Homey...

Sorry to Disappoint U...


REED:dunno:

[Free Ike]

Different "Sean Reed",Homey...

Sorry to Disappoint U...


REED:dunno:
It is an interesting coincidence though isn't it buddy?

[Mitchell Kane]

Meanwhile,it's ALSO "Very Easy" to Play that ELITIST,Hard to Please Roll like YOU'RE Doing...

Was Pavlik IMPRESSIVE Last Night or Not???...


REED:dunno:

You're so quick to come up to with some of kind of "category" to place others.

A hater, a nuthugger, an elitist...whatever.

Pavlik looked good last night. He used his size and walked down a knockout puncher and beat him up. While he showed he could be hit, Pavlik demonstrated a good beard and toughness, and won't be an easy fight for a lot of middleweights.

That doesn't mean he's the next "star" in boxing, or that he's better than Taylor or even in the ballpark of Calzaghe or Kessler.

[Rubio MHS]

Different "Sean Reed",Homey...How can you prove this?

[REEDsART]

How is gayness related to having another poster in your sig? I don't see the connection. If that were true, 99% of the posters here would be gay and at best you'd be a contributor to the gayest site in boxing. I don't understand, friend.Simple...

RubyHOE is @ Least ACTING like he has a PROBLEM w/Gayness &/or Gay People...

As Such,WHY the Fuck would he DEDICATE his OWN Sig Space to Someone he's Accusing of Being Gay???:dunno: ...

Personally,YOU'RE 1 of the DUMBER Individuals REED has EVER Come Across,yet You Wouldn't even Stoop to the Level that RubyHOE has...


REED:cool:

[REEDsART]

You're so quick to come up to with some of kind of "category" to place others.

A hater, a nuthugger, an elitist...whatever.

Pavlik looked good last night. He used his size and walked down a knockout puncher and beat him up. While he showed he could be hit, Pavlik demonstrated a good beard and toughness, and won't be an easy fight for a lot of middleweights.

That doesn't mean he's the next "star" in boxing, or that he's better than Taylor or even in the ballpark of Calzaghe or Kessler.Ah,O.K.

So YOU WEREN'T "Categorizing" when YOU Said,Half the Board is Acting like they Saw Tommy Hearns???:dunno:

Whatever:rolleyes:

The POINT is,U're Bending Over BACKWARDS to Show how UNimpressed U were w/Pavlik's Performance...

FINE,we GET it...

YOU Think Taylor BEATS him...The Vast MAJORITY Thinks Pavlik BEATS Taylor...

Leave it @ That & Move the Fuck Along...


REED:cool:

[Free Ike]

Simple...

RubyHOE is @ Least ACTING like he has a PROBLEM w/Gayness &/or Gay People...

As Such,WHY the Fuck would he DEDICATE his OWN Sig Space to Someone he's Accusing of Being Gay???:dunno: ...

Personally,YOU'RE 1 of the DUMBER Individuals REED has EVER Come Across,yet You Wouldn't even Stoop to the Level that RubyHOE has...


REED:cool:
I am many things but dumb just isn't one of them.Your logic makes little sense to me. It seems you aren't ready to forgive and forget. I will try. There must be some value to you as a life force.

[REEDsART]

How can you prove this?:lol:

REED DOESN'T have to Prove ANYTHING to ANYBODY:nono: ...

Who GIVES a Fuck what YOU Think???


REED:dunno:

[Mitchell Kane]

Ah,O.K.

So YOU WEREN'T "Categorizing" when YOU Said,Half the Board is Acting like they Saw Tommy Hearns???:dunno:

Whatever:rolleyes:

The POINT is,U're Bending Over BACKWARDS to Show how UNimpressed U were w/Pavlik's Performance...

FINE,we GET it...

YOU Think Taylor BEATS him...The Vast MAJORITY Thinks Pavlik BEATS Taylor...

Leave it @ That & Move the Fuck Along...


REED:cool:

The Hearns comment was an obvious joke, but it's clear to me that I saw a different fighter in the ring last night than many did.

I don't see Pavlik as the "next star", don't think he's better than the middleweight champion, and certainly don't think he's better than the super middleweight champion.

Apparantly that puts me in the minority on this message board.

Generally, I think it's way too easy for some fighters - especially knockout punchers - to gain that kind of credibility after one or two wins.

Pavlik is getting way too much credit, IMO, for beating a seriously flawed fighter who got way too much credit for a losing effort against Abraham.

[KaukipRrr]

The Hearns comment was an obvious joke, but it's clear to me that I saw a different fighter in the ring last night than many did.

I don't see Pavlik as the "next star", don't think he's better than the middleweight champion, and certainly don't think he's better than the super middleweight champion.

Apparantly that puts me in the minority on this message board.

Generally, I think it's way too easy for some fighters - especially knockout punchers - to gain that kind of credibility after one or two wins.

Pavlik is getting way too much credit, IMO, for beating a seriously flawed fighter who got way too much credit for a losing effort against Abraham.

:clap:

[D.C. Pizza Master]

Look,this ISN'T Some Post Fight EXCITEMENT Shit Going On...

REED TRUELY Believes that Kelly Pavlik would BEAT Jermain Taylor...TOMORROW!!!...By KO!!!...

Like REED has Been Saying,Kelly Pavlik is THE Next "Big Thing" N Boxing...He'll WAX Taylor,he'll WAX Calzaghe & Who Knows,a Couple Years from Now,he Could Become the Lightheavy Champ...

This Cat BOLDLY Fought the "Puncher",Edison Miranda,N the POCKET,TOOK his BEST Shots,SHRUGGED them Off & BEAT The Living Shit Out of his Ass...

For All the Hype Miranda was Getting,U've GOT to Say that Kelly Pavlik is THE REALfuckingDEAL!!!....

He DOMINATED Miranda!!!...

REED:cool:

Pavlik's best defense is a good offense....I would pick taylor to win actually...i think his straight right would find pavlik all night long and do some serious damage with it

[D.C. Pizza Master]

another thing..miranda was overrated BIG TIME...i even think his power is overrated..despite what his KO percentage reads

[Rubio MHS]

As Such,WHY the Fuck would he DEDICATE his OWN Sig Space to Someone he's Accusing of Being Gay???:dunno: ...You have 10 people in your sig. That makes you a slutty faggot.

[Free Ike]

another thing..miranda was overrated BIG TIME...i even think his power is overrated..despite what his KO percentage reads
I stated that flatly before the fight. I tried to tell Jaws that for weeks. He isn't featherfisted but he doesn't have pop like Foreman and he has the same delivery system. It only solidifies my point that Arthur Abraham is the worst title holder in the sport. He nearly died against this guy. A guy Pavlik walked right through.

[dsimon3387]

[quote=REEDsART]


Not any more he ain't:nono:

dsimon writes:

You got me and Reed mixed up, though for what it is worth I agree with your comment that Miranda was the lesser of two punchers. I also agree with Reed that Miranda takes a lot more chance than Taylor, but that is Reed's contribution.

[dsimon3387]

So who's from Mars?

dsimon writes:

Ohio=Alberta

[dsimon3387]

His technique is still better than Taylor's. Do you actually expect to see Taylor sneak in some counters inside of Pavlik's shots with the way he loads up every punch? Taylor doesn't even look for the counter, he just throws whenever he's not afraid to get hit, which is why he hit Spinks after the bell like 3 times last night. Atleast Pavlik is capable of throwing a right hand without switching his lead foot like Taylor does.

dsimon writes:

Taylor has some advantages:

He has been in with better comp which is a pretty big advantage.

Taylor has straighter punches and is at least as good defensively.

Taylor is strong in a way that a guy like Marciano was strong... he isn't necessarily more muscular, nor is he a physical fighter like Hopkins, but he has a certain physical presence at the weight that makes it hard for his opponent to dictate the fight, bully and press him. This is what gets Taylor by and it was a problem for Hopkins who could not physically control Taylor on the inside as much as he would have liked too (even though he beat him).

[Orthodox Crusader]

Ah,O.K.

So YOU WEREN'T "Categorizing" when YOU Said,Half the Board is Acting like they Saw Tommy Hearns???:dunno:

Whatever:rolleyes:

The POINT is,U're Bending Over BACKWARDS to Show how UNimpressed U were w/Pavlik's Performance...

FINE,we GET it...

YOU Think Taylor BEATS him...The Vast MAJORITY Thinks Pavlik BEATS Taylor...

Leave it @ That & Move the Fuck Along...


REED:cool:


Remember when you were on Klitschkos back...."Wlad Is The NExt Big Thang"...and then when Sanders beat him the first thing you did was run over to Eastside to laugh at people. Get the fuck off Pavliks nuts.

[Orthodox Crusader]

[quote=Orthodox Crusader]How "Gunshy" Did Tyson Get After his 1st KO Loss??...

Tommy Hearns???...Wilfredo Gomez??...Matthew Saad Muhammad???:dunno: ...

Class DISMISSED...


REED:cool:


Barrera was so badly damaged post-Junior Jones that he changed his entire style from outright banger to a more cynical boxer-puncher. In fact, his entire resurrection as a fighter was monitored as analysts sought to establish a point where he could be said to have reached "Pre JJ status"......

If ever a guy changed after having been KTFO..it was Barrera.

He basically lost the rematch to JJ by being far too respectful of Jones power.

I didn't say guys stopped scoring KO's..I said guys get gunshy.

Interestingly...Tyson scored a 12 round decision and a totally uninspiring premature 7th round KO in his pre-prison post-Douglas fights.

Something had changed.

Even Wlad Klitschko has taken time to rediscover his distincctive offensive style that saw him sweep to wins over Mercer and Byrd. After Sanders, he struggled with guys that he might have walked thru. Post Brewster, he has done a Barrera on it...he's a more cynical puncher now.

Class Dismissed:laughing:

[LOK]

Look,this ISN'T Some Post Fight EXCITEMENT Shit Going On...

REED TRUELY Believes that Kelly Pavlik would BEAT Jermain Taylor...TOMORROW!!!...By KO!!!...

Like REED has Been Saying,Kelly Pavlik is THE Next "Big Thing" N Boxing...He'll WAX Taylor,he'll WAX Calzaghe & Who Knows,a Couple Years from Now,he Could Become the Lightheavy Champ...

This Cat BOLDLY Fought the "Puncher",Edison Miranda,N the POCKET,TOOK his BEST Shots,SHRUGGED them Off & BEAT The Living Shit Out of his Ass...

For All the Hype Miranda was Getting,U've GOT to Say that Kelly Pavlik is THE REALfuckingDEAL!!!....

He DOMINATED Miranda!!!...

REED:cool:


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[Joe King]

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