dry-spell....no big fights until June 7th...

[Double L]

here we go. no big fights happening until June 7th. our run was nice. now it's time to go nearly a month without a big fight.

are there any good fights happening on ESPN2 or Shobox that we can look forward to? in the mean-time?

[lb 4 lb]

here we go. no big fights happening until June 7th. our run was nice. now it's time to go nearly a month without a big fight.

are there any good fights happening on ESPN2 or Shobox that we can look forward to? in the mean-time?
Factor in non-worthy affairs like Floyd-DLH and JT-Spinks and the dry spell is even longer.

[Double L]

Factor in non-worthy affairs like Floyd-DLH and JT-Spinks and the dry spell is even longer.

i didn't think ODH/PBF was so bad, but point well taken. JT/Spinks was awful, but Pavliik/Miranda saved the evening.

and it's hard to imagine Cotto/Judah will be too competitive, although i'm hoping so. hopefully the under-card will be good.

[slystaff]

here we go. no big fights happening until June 7th. our run was nice. now it's time to go nearly a month without a big fight.

are there any good fights happening on ESPN2 or Shobox that we can look forward to? in the mean-time?

A one-month "dry spell". Is that abig deal?

[lb 4 lb]

A one-month "dry spell". Is that abig deal?
In about 4 yrs it'll be a rest of our lives dry spell.

[Jake]

A one-month "dry spell". Is that abig deal?
For any sport? Hell yeah.

For a sport in DESPERATE need of momentum? A one-DAY dry spell is critical.

[Double L]

A one-month "dry spell". Is that abig deal?

no. it's not a big deal. but it's note-worthy given the long string of fights we've had. some of us enjoy boxing in general and miss it when it's not on. i can appreciate though how a fan-boy like you would be immune to such conditions, since you only care about 3-4 fights a year anyways.

[slystaff]

For any sport? Hell yeah.

For a sport in DESPERATE need of momentum? A one-DAY dry spell is critical.

Not for a sport like boxing.

[slystaff]

no. it's not a big deal. but it's note-worthy given the long string of fights we've had. some of us enjoy boxing in general and miss it when it's not on. i can appreciate though how a fan-boy like you would be immune to such conditions, since you only care about 3-4 fights a year anyways.

You're not wrong.

I'm not a fanboy...but truthfully, I don't care for all of the insignificant fights..personally.

I'm happy with 5 or 6 NAME fights in a year.

[Jake]

You're not wrong.

I'm not a fanboy...but truthfully, I don't care for all of the insignificant fights..personally.

I'm happy with 5 or 6 NAME fights in a year.
In suffering through Taylor-Spinks this weekend, I thought about the claim (not just by you, but it's relevant for this topic) that undercards are irrelevant for the most part. Just trying to envision what this weekend would've been like without Pavlik-Miranda on the card.

I ask that for two reasons: one, anyone who did go to the fight that wasn't from Little Rock, went in anticipation of the co-feature, and two - neither of the two fighters are with DiBella, who was the promoter of the show.

This weekend was a great example of why it IS important to offer a compelling undercard. I know the response will be that Oscar and Floyd provided 2.15 million reasons to the contrary. I'll still counter that a Pavlik-Miranda co-feature to that event makes it a truly memorable one that makes people want to come back, and also granting Pavlik the star power he deserves in the process, Instead, he becomes the proverbial tree in the empty forest that was this weekend, and meanwhile, very few are talking about what happened two weeks ago.

[Double L]

You're not wrong.

I'm not a fanboy...but truthfully, I don't care for all of the insignificant fights..personally.

I'm happy with 5 or 6 NAME fights in a year.

exactly. which is consistent with all of the evidence we have here that you're not a real boxing fan. and it shows through in your commentary.

[slystaff]

exactly. which is consistent with all of the evidence we have here that you're not a real boxing fan. and it shows through in your commentary.

That's not fair. If I wasn't a true boxing fan, I wouldn't be on here so many hours chatting boxing with you motherf****s! :lol:

I love the sport, I just don't have to watch wednesday night fights and all the unknown bums like some do.

[Double L]

That's not fair. If I wasn't a true boxing fan, I wouldn't be on here so many hours chatting boxing with you motherf****s! :lol:

I love the sport, I just don't have to watch wednesday night fights and all the unknown bums like some do.

ok. but you must accept that as a result, your knowledge of the game will deteriorate slowly, rendering you less and less worthy of our interaction. so while you may be happy to watch only a few fights a year, and ignore the sport for the most part, understand that this attitude comes with consequences. and the worst part is, when all is said and done, you'll be one of those people who don't know what they don't know, a category that is far worse than those who are fully aware of their ignorance.

[Antwuan Maxx]

here we go. no big fights happening until June 7th. our run was nice. now it's time to go nearly a month without a big fight.

are there any good fights happening on ESPN2 or Shobox that we can look forward to? in the mean-time?

Nope. :doh: Fucked up too because Saturday was supposed to be Katsidis-Guzman and Larios-Linares. This Wednesday Night Fights card is horrible, and Friday Night Fights shouldn't be too much better where the Peterson brothers both fight against opponents TBA. ESPN has decent cards in June though (Ngoudjo-Bailey, Pascal-Williams / Bute-Bika). Hell, as a matter of fact, June in general is loaded. As of now..a dry spell indeed, but the summer will make up for it.

[slystaff]

ok. but you must accept that as a result, your knowledge of the game will deteriorate slowly, rendering you less and less worthy of our interaction. so while you may be happy to watch only a few fights a year, and ignore the sport for the most part, understand that this attitude comes with consequences. and the worst part is, when all is said and done, you'll be one of those people who don't know what they don't know, a category that is far worse than those who are fully aware of their ignorance.

You're referring to:

"He that knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool, shun him"

I don't fall into that category. When i don't know anything about a fighter i say so. I only comment and give analysis on guys that I know.

Hence why you never see me giving analysis on threads about fighters below 122lbs.

btw...."rendering you less and less worthy of our interaction" is HILARIOUS!! :laughing:

The question is not whether I'm worthy of the interaction of this forum, but whether the forum is worthy of my intelligent/analytical genius input. As your signature will testify...:cool:

[*Z*]

We'll have to settle for Chuck vs Rampage to entertain us this weekend.

[Double L]

We'll have to settle for Chuck vs Rampage to entertain us this weekend.

oh yeah !!! forgot about that. gotta check that out.

[*Z*]

oh yeah !!! forgot about that. gotta check that out.

I'm watching it for sure. Should be good.

[steve_dave]

For any sport? Hell yeah.

For a sport in DESPERATE need of momentum? A one-DAY dry spell is critical.

I could spin that and say boxing in one of the only sports with no off-season. A few weeks is really no big deal when you compare it to the months with no NFL, NBA or MLB.

[Double L]

You're referring to:

"He that knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool, shun him"

I don't fall into that category. When i don't know anything about a fighter i say so. I only comment and give analysis on guys that I know.

Hence why you never see me giving analysis on threads about fighters below 122lbs.

btw...."rendering you less and less worthy of our interaction" is HILARIOUS!! :laughing:

The question is not whether I'm worthy of the interaction of this forum, but whether the forum is worthy of my intelligent/analytical genius input. As your signature will testify...:cool:

well, either way, the less fights you watch, the less you know. just keep that in mind.

all fighters are linked by way of having faced each other, so the less fighters you bother to watch, the less basis you will have to make any argument whatever.

unfortunately, this will become increasingly obvious as time goes on and you find yourself grasping at straws for a factual underpinning you simply won't have.

good luck to you, fair-weather fan! :lol:

[D MAN]

Right now is one of the best spring-summers weve had in years.

DLH-Mayweather, Taylor-Spinks, Hopkins-Wright, Judah-Cotto.. the list goes on...

[TFK]

Cotto-Judah should be HBO. Why does every damn decent fight have to be on PPV?

PPV is killing boxing.

TFK

[Double L]

Cotto-Judah should be HBO. Why does every damn decent fight have to be on PPV?

PPV is killing boxing.

TFK

i agree. i was actually surprised when Hatton/Castillo was announced for regular HBO.

[Jake]

Cotto-Judah should be HBO. Why does every damn decent fight have to be on PPV?

PPV is killing boxing.

TFK
Taylor-Spinks/Pavlik-Miranda was on regular HBO, and people in Memphis didn't even seem too aware of it.

Hatton-Castillo is on regular HBO. Margarito-Williams will be on regular HBO. Marquez-Vazquez II will be on Showtime. Mormeck-Bell II was on MSG.

Put any other sport in boxing's shoes and with the same budget, and they'd be worse off. Boxing outdraws NHL on ESPN/ESPN2, and with only a fraction of the budget.. The NFL has already conceded to the fact that Monday Night Football, while still an active series, is dead as a tradition - hence, the move to cable (ESPN).

Lack of interest is killing boxing. You can blame it on whatever you want. People just don't give a shit about the sport anymore.

[ElTerriblee]

Abraham vs. Demers, Huck vs. Tokarev, Wlod vs. Cunningham, and Povetkin on Saturday. On Friday three successful German Olympians and two competitive bouts involving two P4P female fighters against very good opponents, among them the swedish girl, that gave Laila Ali hell in Berlin before running out of gas in a fight she took on three day notice. And the girls are all pretty good looking. :popcorn:

[mikE]

ok. but you must accept that as a result, your knowledge of the game will deteriorate slowly, rendering you less and less worthy of our interaction. so while you may be happy to watch only a few fights a year, and ignore the sport for the most part, understand that this attitude comes with consequences. and the worst part is, when all is said and done, you'll be one of those people who don't know what they don't know, a category that is far worse than those who are fully aware of their ignorance.

Damn good post.

[mikE]

Why does every damn decent fight have to be on PPV?

TFK

This is far more true in mma, yes?

[Hanzy]

This is far more true in mma, yes?

Everything mma-related is PPV. Heck, Gary Shaw's premiere show Elite Fighting debuted on Showtime. Their 2nd show is already on ppv and with not a fighter worth a sh*t carrying the card. MMA will go the route of boxing. The UFC's 15-16 ppvs a year doesn't help. Not only is it product overkill but $40 per ppv doesn't help longevity. I'd like to see where combat sports in general are in 5 years time.

[Hanzy]

Taylor-Spinks/Pavlik-Miranda was on regular HBO, and people in Memphis didn't even seem too aware of it.

Hatton-Castillo is on regular HBO. Margarito-Williams will be on regular HBO. Marquez-Vazquez II will be on Showtime. Mormeck-Bell II was on MSG.

Put any other sport in boxing's shoes and with the same budget, and they'd be worse off. Boxing outdraws NHL on ESPN/ESPN2, and with only a fraction of the budget.. The NFL has already conceded to the fact that Monday Night Football, while still an active series, is dead as a tradition - hence, the move to cable (ESPN).

Lack of interest is killing boxing. You can blame it on whatever you want. People just don't give a shit about the sport anymore.

For the most part, nobody gave a sh*t about the sport for years. But they gave a sh*t about Mike Tyson, Oscar De La Hoya, Julio Cesar Chavez, Sugar Ray Leonard, Manny Pacquaio and many other figthers. That's the one thing about this sport. People only care to watch THEIR fighters.
I think that's one way to sum it up, nobody gives a sh*t about BOXING but they give a sh*t about BOXERS.:lol:

[D MAN]

Cotto-Judah should be HBO. Why does every damn decent fight have to be on PPV?

PPV is killing boxing.

TFK

Just steal it and stop complaining.

[Hanzy]

In my view, boxing is actually giving us many free fights. Boxing fans are just becoming a wee bit spoiled. Check out how many quality free-tv fights you're seeing from boxing this year alone, coming up. Hell look at the previous years. What did you have in 2003-2006 right off the top of my head? Lewis/Klitschko? Hatton/Tszyu? Mayorga/Forrest? Mosley/Wright? Taylor/Wright? Pacquaio/Barrera? Toney/Jirov? Corrales/Castillo I? Brewster/Lyakhovich? Mormeck/Bell? Klitschko/Peter? Many World Championship fights!! Look back and take notice. So many free fights and all most of you do is bitch and complain. All you needed was a subscription to HBO or Showtime. Now this only applies to Americans. Canadians on the other hand had to fork over a pretty penny since many of HBO and SHowtime fights are either not shown or are carried on canadian ppv. But you americans got it better than us. So quit your f*cking whining!:lol:
Nobody's asking you to fork over $30-$40 for every f*cking fight show the way the UFC, Bodog, King of the Cage, K1 and countless other MMA shows are doing.

It ain't better being an mma fan than it is being a boxing fan unless you have Free to Air receivers going with your satelites where ultimately money is void and entertainment is completely free.

[Double L]

In my view, boxing is actually giving us many free fights. Boxing fans are just becoming a wee bit spoiled. Check out how many quality free-tv fights you're seeing from boxing this year alone, coming up. Hell look at the previous years. What did you have in 2003-2006 right off the top of my head? Lewis/Klitschko? Hatton/Tszyu? Mayorga/Forrest? Mosley/Wright? Taylor/Wright? Pacquaio/Barrera? Toney/Jirov? Corrales/Castillo I? Brewster/Lyakhovich? Mormeck/Bell? Klitschko/Peter? Many World Championship fights!! Look back and take notice. So many free fights and all most of you do is bitch and complain. All you needed was a subscription to HBO or Showtime. Now this only applies to Americans. Canadians on the other hand had to fork over a pretty penny since many of HBO and SHowtime fights are either not shown or are carried on canadian ppv. But you americans got it better than us. So quit your f*cking whining!:lol:
Nobody's asking you to fork over $30-$40 for every f*cking fight show the way the UFC, Bodog, King of the Cage, K1 and countless other MMA shows are doing.

It ain't better being an mma fan than it is being a boxing fan unless you have Free to Air receivers going with your satelites where ultimately money is void and entertainment is completely free.

i agree. i think what makes a month-long stretch of no big fights so hard to handle is that we're used to having so many. so i'm with you. the more the better. and in recent years, it seems like there's been more.

[Hanzy]

i agree. i think what makes a month-long stretch of no big fights so hard to handle is that we're used to having so many. so i'm with you. the more the better. and in recent years, it seems like there's been more.

The UFC has 1 event per month, and a free 'Fight Night' show on Spike consisting of lesser fighters once every 3 months. Bodog has a ppv once every 2 or so months. King of the Cage is just crap, nobody even bothers with that bush league junk.
I just don't see the argument here. People are bitching over boxing's dry spell when any other sport has the same thing going on. What happens when the NHL's season is over? Or the NBA? Or MLB? Do people just give up on the sport?:dunno: Do they have such a craving that they need to see this crap day after day?
You're right though, boxing fans are so used to having so many fights. Especially for us when we come to this board and having nothing to discuss.:lol: But we still have a mythical matchup section where we can dream about bullsh*t.

[Double L]

The UFC has 1 event per month, and a free 'Fight Night' show on Spike consisting of lesser fighters once every 3 months. Bodog has a ppv once every 2 or so months. King of the Cage is just crap, nobody even bothers with that bush league junk.
I just don't see the argument here. People are bitching over boxing's dry spell when any other sport has the same thing going on. What happens when the NHL's season is over? Or the NBA? Or MLB? Do people just give up on the sport?:dunno: Do they have such a craving that they need to see this crap day after day?
You're right though, boxing fans are so used to having so many fights. Especially for us when we come to this board and having nothing to discuss.:lol: But we still have a mythical matchup section where we can dream about bullsh*t.

well. i started the thread. so i feel obligated to reply. i know it sounded like i was bitching. and maybe i was. but the thread isn't meant as an indictment of the boxing powers that be. it's simply to point out that for the time being, the party is over. that's all.

[Octopus]

Nope. :doh: Fucked up too because Saturday was supposed to be Katsidis-Guzman and Larios-Linares. This Wednesday Night Fights card is horrible, and Friday Night Fights shouldn't be too much better where the Peterson brothers both fight against opponents TBA. ESPN has decent cards in June though (Ngoudjo-Bailey, Pascal-Williams / Bute-Bika). Hell, as a matter of fact, June in general is loaded. As of now..a dry spell indeed, but the summer will make up for it.


I know,bad FNF this week. They seem like great guy's but damn,the Peterson brothers are about as exciting to watch paint dry:rolleyes:

Not to mention the undercard is a chick fight:doh:

Bad FNF this week.

[Tam Tam]

I'll never understand how you can consider these 'free fights', as such. No. They're part of your cable bill, some of which can be excessive. They just don't charge you twice for it.

[mikE]

I know,bad FNF this week. They seem like great guy's but damn,the Peterson brothers are about as exciting to watch paint dry:rolleyes:

Not to mention the undercard is a chick fight:doh:

Bad FNF this week.

If Anthony Peterson is boring, then there are very few fighters who aren't. He's an aggressive, hard-punching fighter. The fact that he's had to go the distance at times just means he's human.

[Double L]

I'll never understand how you can consider these 'free fights', as such. No. They're part of your cable bill, some of which can be excessive. They just don't charge you twice for it.

good point. this is what makes PPV frustrating; the fact that it costs money above and beyond dollars we're already spending. it'd be different i guess if the "free" shows were actually free, and were shown on public TV.

[Trplsec]

What happens on June 7th?

Personally I'm looking forward to 5/26, 6/2, 6/9, 6/16, 6/23, etc.


This weekend is the only real dry spell and we've got MMA to fill the gap..

[ElTerriblee]

Just steal it and stop complaining.

Exactly. I have paid roughly 30 Euros on boxing in the last ten years, TV and Live events. If I had to pay for Free-per-Views I wouldn´t watch boxing. :dunno:

[az cat]

i didn't think ODH/PBF was so bad, but point well taken. JT/Spinks was awful, but Pavliik/Miranda saved the evening.

and it's hard to imagine Cotto/Judah will be too competitive, although i'm hoping so. hopefully the under-card will be good.

I think Cotto-Judah will absolutely be competitive. In fact, as the fight draws closer I may pick Judah to win that fight.

[ILLUMINATI]

okay..it's only 3 weeks....

[Rubio MHS]

I've always picked Judah. He's going to get a lot of Johnny-come-lately picks from people saying, "Judah KOed Spinks while Taylor was lucky against him."

[az cat]

I've always picked Judah. He's going to get a lot of Johnny-come-lately picks from people saying, "Judah KOed Spinks while Taylor was lucky against him."

I was more looking at the matchup and thinking Judah can exploit Cotto's weaknesses... or at least replicate the things that have gotten Miguel in trouble in the past.

This probably deserves its own thread...

[Free Ike]

Judah has not won in over 2 years.

He lost to every elite fighter he has faced at least once and lost to some non-elite fighters and got lucky on others .

KTFO by Zu
Dropped and humiliated by Spinks.
Humiliated by Floyd.


LOST TO CARLOS FUCKING BALDOMIR
Should have lost to a shot Pineada.

Struggled with a transexual, chop chop.

Struggled with Omar Weis.


COTTO DESERVES NO CREDIT FOR A WIN AND HE HE DOESN'T SHUTOUT OR KAYO JUDAH HE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST FRAUDS IN HISTORY.

[Rubio MHS]

Dropped and humiliated by Spinks.You didn't see the fight, you moron.

[Double L]

Judah was dropped by Spinks. And for 9 rounds he was pretty much humiliated. It was only after Spinks got tired that Judah didn't lose rounds decisively.

[Rubio MHS]

Judah was dropped by Spinks. And for 9 rounds he was pretty much humiliated. It was only after Spinks got tired that Judah didn't lose rounds decisively.You didn't see the fight, moron.

[Double L]

You didn't see the fight, moron.

:lol:

[Free Ike]

You didn't see the fight, you moron.
Of course I did. Spinks had Judah terrified for the first 4 rounds. The middle rounds were close and Judah was fresh because he didn't do anything for the first 3rd of the fight. He then got dropped by one of the weakest punching titlists in history and lost although he did manage to hurt sTINKS late and drop him. Judah got flat out humiliated in the opening rounds. How much worse does it get then to be scared to engage Corey Stinks.

[Neil]

judah had spinks out at the end. then beat the shit out of him next go round

[Rubio MHS]

Of course I did. Spinks had Judah terrified for the first 4 rounds. The middle rounds were close and Judah was fresh because he didn't do anything for the first 3rd of the fight. He then got dropped by one of the weakest punching titlists in history and lost although he did manage to hurt sTINKS late and drop him. Judah got flat out humiliated in the opening rounds. How much worse does it get then to be scared to engage Corey Stinks.Judah won the fight. Spinks had him in trouble early, but he came on in the last 2/3. I could accept someone saying that Spinks won, but "humiliated" Judah? That's almost as stupid as when you started calling Floyd "Lance" Mayweather.

[Free Ike]

Judah won the fight. Spinks had him in trouble early, but he came on in the last 2/3. I could accept someone saying that Spinks won, but "humiliated" Judah? That's almost as stupid as when you started calling Floyd "Lance" Mayweather.
Being dropped and terrified of Corey Stinks is humiliated. No way did Judah win that fight. If I remember correctly, he did nothing for the first 4 rounds just gave them to Stinks and then he battled back and then was dropped by one of the weakest punching titlists in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE SPORT. HUMILIATED.

[Rubio MHS]

Being dropped and terrified of Corey Stinks is humiliated. No way did Judah win that fight. If I remember correctly, he did nothing for the first 4 rounds just gave them to Stinks and then he battled back and then was dropped by one of the weakest punching titlists in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE SPORT. HUMILIATED.That's stupid. He came off the canvas to arguably win the fight.

By the way, why did you stop calling Floyd, "Lance" Mayweather?