Okay, let's get real: Spinks was robbed!

[Alabama_Man]

Dick Flaherty is a fine ref who got it right. 117-111 Spinks was perfect.

Forget what compubox says, it's run by 76 year old women clicking a button.

Spinks was rarely hit clean, he was controlling the pace of the fight, and he was landing flush left crosses on Taylor at will.

Taylor is usually an aggressive, wild swinging cowboy in there, but Spinks jinxed his ass. Spinks should be given an immediate rematch. :nono:

Of course the HBO house fighter gets the nod.:rolleyes:

[Double L]

yeah. Spinks should've been more aggressive, though, like PBF. now PBF knows how to put on a show.

[Alabama_Man]

yeah. Spinks should've been more aggressive, though, like PBF. now PBF knows how to put on a show.

PBF was hit cleanly by Dela Joto way more than Spinks was in his fight.

Spinks was hit clean MAYBE 6-8 times. Even a replay of this apparently "big left hook" that Lampley called out didn't even hit Spinks, it barely brushed his cheek.

Taylor beat Spinks by throwing 30 punches a round. This is a travesty.

[Double L]

PBF was hit cleanly by Dela Joto way more than Spinks was in his fight.

Spinks was hit clean MAYBE 6-8 times. Even a replay of this apparently "big left hook" that Lampley called out didn't even hit Spinks, it barely brushed his cheek.

Taylor beat Spinks by throwing 30 punches a round. This is a travesty.

i'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not in your claims, but believe it or not, i agree with you that a case could be made that Spinks won the fight.

now, we certainly wouldn't hear about it from Lederman or Lampley, or even Merchant (although Merchant did say in the 7th round that Spinks deserved credit for his skills only to call for him to retire by the time the fight ended). but round by round? Spinks probably did land more punches in more rounds than Taylor did.

[Free Ike]

Bama I like you, but I think you should rethink this issue. Stinks lost pretty clearly. The numbers don't support you position and Taylor did land 40% of his punches amazing for hitting a running target. As a judge, I would give Taylor more credit for one or 2 blows then 12 of Stinks'.

[Double L]

...Bama I like you...

i'm sure he feels reassured.

[Alabama_Man]

Bama I like you, but I think you should rethink this issue. Stinks lost pretty clearly. The numbers don't support you position and Taylor did land 40% of his punches amazing for hitting a running target. As a judge, I would give Taylor more credit for one or 2 blows then 12 of Stinks'.

Ike, you know we're cool, and I wouldn't throw acid in your face like I would most of the shitheads who post here, but Taylor is a fucking bum. I was laughing my ass off when Manny Steward was about to whip his ass in between the 11th and 12th rounds. That would've been more fun than watching Jermaine trying to waltz with Corey for 12 rounds.

[Alabama_Man]

i'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not in your claims, but believe it or not, i agree with you that a case could be made that Spinks won the fight.

now, we certainly wouldn't hear about it from Lederman or Lampley, or even Merchant (although Merchant did say in the 7th round that Spinks deserved credit for his skills only to call for him to retire by the time the fight ended). but round by round? Spinks probably did land more punches in more rounds than Taylor did.

Double L, you've always been a guy who has had a realistic take and viewpoint on boxing issues. I respect your opinion.

Round by round, Spinks clearly controlled each round except the 12th. I gave that round clearly to Taylor because Spinks, like most fans who can score a fight, had himself clearly ahead and he was just protecting that lead.

[puerto rock]

A 7 rounds to 5 or 6-5-1 round even win for Spinks is certainly arguable. Even in the rounds he didn't land, he seemed to control Taylor with his jab and movement. JT was lost in there the whole night.

[His_Royness]

Spinks was rarely hit clean, he was controlling the pace of the fight, and he was landing flush left crosses on Taylor at will.



then maybe he should have thrown it more often because u don't win any rounds by landing 7 out of 50 shots either...

[Alabama_Man]

then maybe he should have thrown it more often because u don't win any rounds by landing 7 out of 50 shots either...

That's at least 3-4 times better than what Jer-bum Taylor was able to do.

Fuck the compubox. Taylor was landing 2 out of 30 punches a round, even Manny Steward didn't think Taylor won the fight.

[Free Ike]

i'm sure he feels reassured.
I am retired from smacktalk and there is no greater beneficiary than you.

[His_Royness]

That's at least 3-4 times better than what Jer-bum Taylor was able to do.

Fuck the compubox. Taylor was landing 2 out of 30 punches a round, even Manny Steward didn't think Taylor won the fight.


hmm call me crazy but i do no think that happened in 9 out of 12 rounds... :dunno:

[His_Royness]

I am retired from smacktalk and there is no greater beneficiary than you.


thats a subtle insult and basically smacktalk, too...

i've seeing u dancing on a very thin rope with these type of posts a lot after ur "retirement"!!! :nono:

[Alabama_Man]

hmm call me crazy but i do no think that happened in 9 out of 12 rounds... :dunno:

That's true, sometimes Jer-bum was able to land 3 out of 30 and the HBO commentators would be like, "Taylor is beginning to pick up his activity."

:rolleyes:

If you scored the fight for Jer-bum, you're basically supporting the viewpoint that if you land 1 or 2 good shots in a round, you can win against a guy who hits you 7-15 times a round with solid but not extremely hard shots. This is boxing not toughman.

[Free Ike]

That's true, sometimes Jer-bum was able to land 3 out of 30 and the HBO commentators would be like, "Taylor is beginning to pick up his activity."

:rolleyes:

If you scored the fight for Jer-bum, you're basically supporting the viewpoint that if you land 1 or 2 good shots in a round, you can win against a guy who hits you 7-15 times a round with solid but not extremely hard shots. This is boxing not toughman.
The numbers don't support that is what happened. Taylor outlanded Spinks in both catagories and he landed at a more accurate rate. JT is a terrible fighter but he won.

[Free Ike]

thats a subtle insult and basically smacktalk, too...

i've seeing u dancing on a very thin rope with these type of posts a lot after ur "retirement"!!! :nono:
I have not attacked a poster since my retirement. I disagree with your assessment ,kind sir.

[His_Royness]

That's true, sometimes Jer-bum was able to land 3 out of 30 and the HBO commentators would be like, "Taylor is beginning to pick up his activity."

:rolleyes:

If you scored the fight for Jer-bum, you're basically supporting the viewpoint that if you land 1 or 2 good shots in a round, you can win against a guy who hits you 7-15 times a round with solid but not extremely hard shots. This is boxing not toughman.


hmm i think Taylor hit him more often than what u are saying but then again i almost fell asleep. I admire u for staying that focussed on what actually happened in a borefest like that.

I hate Jermain Taylor and wud have loved if manny smacked him right in the face. :lol:



Would u throw acid in my face? :warning:

[Trplsec]

The numbers don't support that is what happened. Taylor outlanded Spinks in both catagories and he landed at a more accurate rate. JT is a terrible fighter but he won.


You are exactly right. Taylor stunk up the place, but he outlanded Cory and landed the harder shots..

I love how people talk about Spinks controlling the fight with his jab.. That's utter bullshit. He controlled the (lack of) fight with his feet.

[Nobleart]

That's true, sometimes Jer-bum was able to land 3 out of 30 and the HBO commentators would be like, "Taylor is beginning to pick up his activity."

:rolleyes:

If you scored the fight for Jer-bum, you're basically supporting the viewpoint that if you land 1 or 2 good shots in a round, you can win against a guy who hits you 7-15 times a round with solid but not extremely hard shots. This is boxing not toughman.

It's boxing but it's not amateur boxing. The entire 2nd half of the fight there was no way Spinks was landing 7-15 solid shots a round either.

Jermaine won, but it was a god-awful fight that we should forget ever happened as soon as humanely possible. The less we talk about it the better. :nono:

[steve_dave]

No comment. I didn't watch rounds 6-11.

[Double L]

isn't Manny Steward Taylor's manager? as well as his trainer? if so, shame on him for pretending to be without blame as to Taylor's choice of Spinks.

Steward does this all the time. He has no problem taking credit for a fighter's success, but when and if the fighter loses, or performs poorly, or is boring as hell, he pretends he's just one of us, just as frustrated as the fans.

Steward likes to have it both ways.

[Nobleart]

I have not attacked a poster since my retirement. I disagree with your assessment ,kind sir.


Someday, somebody is going to push you too far.

[Nobleart]

isn't Manny Steward Taylor's manager? as well as his trainer? if so, shame on him for pretending to be without blame as to Taylor's choice of Spinks.

Steward does this all the time. He has no problem taking credit for a fighter's success, but when and if the fighter loses, or performs poorly, or is boring as hell, he pretends he's just one of us, just as frustrated as the fans.

Steward likes to have it both ways.


Didn't Steward tell Taylor at one point in the fight............"I wish you were fighting Miranda tonight instead of this guy"? :lol:

[IMDAZED]

No comment. I didn't watch rounds 6-11.

Hear, hear. I stopped watching in the eighth. I saw the compubox stats at the end and was amazed. Taylor landed 15 more punches? I wasn't even he sure that he threw 15 punches...

[Alabama_Man]

hmm i think Taylor hit him more often than what u are saying but then again i almost fell asleep. I admire u for staying that focussed on what actually happened in a borefest like that.

I hate Jermain Taylor and wud have loved if manny smacked him right in the face. :lol:



Would u throw acid in my face? :warning:

I'm surprised I focused on the fight myself. I was patiently waiting for the wild swinging bum Taylor to just let loose and overwhelm Spinks with activity, but it just didn't happen. Spinks jinxed Taylor bad on Saturday.

As for throwing acid in your face, I don't really know you well enough Royness so I would define my relationship with you right now as amicable. That basically means, no I wouldn't throw acid in your face, but if you say any shithead things, that could change in an instant.

[Alabama_Man]

Steward likes to have it both ways.

:lol:

[Alabama_Man]

No comment. I didn't watch rounds 6-11.

Wait, but you came back for the 12th round? Wudafux up with that?

[IMDAZED]

Wait, but you came back for the 12th round? Wudafux up with that?

He probably woke up around then.

[Free Ike]

Someday, somebody is going to push you too far.
I am retired from Smacktalking. I will retire completely before I resume my old ways.

[His_Royness]

I have not attacked a poster since my retirement. I disagree with your assessment ,kind sir.



maybe not in a "you are the dumbest poster in the history of the internet" way as u liked to do it occasionally but in a more ironic between the lines kinda way...

I'M WATCHING U!!!


@ Alabama - what if Strangelove said a shithead thing would u throw acid in his face? :lol:

[slystaff]

How could Spinks have been robbed, when after the 2nd round he basically just hit Taylor's gloves and then ran?:dunno:

[IMDAZED]

How could Spinks have been robbed, when after the 2nd round he basically just hit Taylor's gloves and then ran?:dunno:

I'm not subscribing to the "Spinks won" notion but some might argue that all Taylor did was come forward and hit Spinks' gloves.

[Free Ike]

maybe not in a "you are the dumbest poster in the history of the internet" way as u liked to do it occasionally but in a more ironic between the lines kinda way...

I'M WATCHING U!!!


@ Alabama - what if Strangelove said a shithead thing would u throw acid in his face? :lol:
I don't understand. I attacked people in both a lowbrow and highbrow way. I will not attack on any level. This leopard has changed his spots.

[Free Ike]

I'm not subscribing to the "Spinks won" notion but some might argue that all Taylor did was come forward and hit Spinks' gloves.
The same could be argued for Stinks. He should be euthanized on ppv. I will host a fightbeat party.

[Alabama_Man]

@ Alabama - what if Strangelove said a shithead thing would u throw acid in his face? :lol:

No, Ike and I are perpetual allies. I give allies leeway when it comes to being a shithead. Throwing acid in someone's face is only for real dirty shitheads like Rubio HIV. Otherwise I keep my flask holstered.

[Double L]

Didn't Steward tell Taylor at one point in the fight............"I wish you were fighting Miranda tonight instead of this guy"? :lol:

YES! he's constantly trying to endear himself to the fans. it's hilarious.

[Free Ike]

This a a fact. JT has looked worse since Stewart took over.

[Alabama_Man]

How could Spinks have been robbed, when after the 2nd round he basically just hit Taylor's gloves and then ran?:dunno:

How could Jer-bum win a fight throwing 30 punches a round and looking like a dancing, clueless shithead? :dunno:

[Nobleart]

How could Jer-bum win a fight throwing 30 punches a round and looking like a dancing, clueless shithead? :dunno:

Because Spinks was throwing 19 punches a round and looking like Carl Lewis shadowboxing on speed.

[IMDAZED]

Because Spinks was throwing 19 punches a round and looking like Carl Lewis shadowboxing on speed.


You mean to tell me Taylor won because he missed more? :dunno:

[Alabama_Man]

Jer-bum was punching air for 12 rounds. I'm not even a big Spinks fan but I think it was fairly obvious that Jer-bum got handled on Saturday.

[Free Ike]

Because Spinks was throwing 19 punches a round and looking like Carl Lewis shadowboxing on speed.
Correct and the numbers support this position. I am not happy about defending a disgrace like JT, but there is no one lower than Stinks. He is a singled celled bit of pond scum. He should be euthanized. I would suggest acid, but he has the Stinks Jinx already and the acid might make him more appealing.

[D MAN]

Taylor landed the only good shots in the fight.. and he CONTROLLED the ring... Spinks ran for his life, he shoudln't be on tv anymore.

[Matchup_Analyzer]

I don't mind Cory Spinks doing his thing as a Middleweight, but keep this guy off TV

[Nobleart]

You mean to tell me Taylor won because he missed more? :dunno:

I didn't say Spinks landed 19 punches a round.


Are you saying Spinks won because he threw less and landed less? :dunno:

[IMDAZED]

I didn't say Spinks landed 19 punches a round.


Are you saying Spinks won because he threw less and landed less? :dunno:

I didn't say you said he landed more. But Taylor missed a hell of a lot more. F*ck compubox - since when did those stats validate anything? Maybe Taylor turned it around in the last four rounds cuz I didn't watch them. But for the first seven, he wasn't throwing sh*t and what he was throwing wasn't landing.

[Double L]

i find it hilarious that DiBella's whole grand scheme back-fired completely. he figured he'd put Taylor in with Spinks, Taylor could play the big bad wolf - they guy who "wants" to fight (a role he hasn't always assumed) - and eventually, he'd knock Spinks out and look like a hero.

instead, looked at against the back-drop of Pavlik/Miranda, Taylor looks like a chump. not only did his camp hand-pick a shit opponent from a different weight class which nobody in the whole world was interested in seeing, but the fight was boring as hell too. Taylor diddle-daddled against a feather-fisted welter-weight, couldn't put him away, and was made to look bad in the process. all in the name of fears that Taylor would be knocked out had he faced a legitimate middle-weight. and then DiBella looks on as his ambitious client claims he will fight anyone, knowing that just because it's his fault doesn't mean Taylor sounds like any less of an ass saying such things.

basically, DiBella makes Taylor look like an ass everytime out. and makes him less and less likable.

[Nobleart]

i find it hilarious that DiBella's whole grand scheme back-fired completely. he figured he'd put Taylor in with Spinks, Taylor could play the big bad wolf - they guy who "wants" to fight (a role he hasn't always assumed) - and eventually, he'd knock Spinks out and look like a hero.

instead, looked at against the back-drop of Pavlik/Miranda, Taylor looks like a chump. not only did his camp hand-pick a shit opponent from a different weight class which nobody in the whole world was interested in seeing, but the fight was boring as hell too. Taylor diddle-daddled against a feather-fisted welter-weight, couldn't put him away, and was made to look bad in the process. all in the name of fears that Taylor would be knocked out had he faced a legitimate middle-weight. and then DiBella looks on as his ambitious client claims he will fight anyone, knowing that just because it's his fault doesn't mean Taylor sounds like any less of an ass saying such things.

basically, DiBella makes Taylor look like an ass everytime out. and makes him less and less likable.


You notice DiBella jumping up in the crowd every so often and start yelling at Jermain during the fight. Between Manny yelling at him and Dibella yelling at him Jermaine will be lucky if he doesn't catch the Michael Grant Syndrome a.k.a. Pleasestopyelllingteddyitis.

[slystaff]

Taylor landed the only good shots in the fight.. and he CONTROLLED the ring... Spinks ran for his life, he shoudln't be on tv anymore.

word.

[Double L]

You notice DiBella jumping up in the crowd every so often and start yelling at Jermain during the fight. Between Manny yelling at him and Dibella yelling at him Jermaine will be lucky if he doesn't catch the Michael Grant Syndrome a.k.a. Pleasestopyelllingteddyitis.

either way. DiBella's the one who figured incorrectly that if he put someone in front of Taylor who couldn't hurt him that Taylor would be more aggressive.

i think the exact opposite is true. that when and if Taylor ever feels threatened is when he will truly shine (or be KTFO).

did you hear Manny in between rounds? he might as well have been saying, "look! we hand-picked a guy for you who can't possibly hurt you. can't you hold up your end of the deal by going after him?"

[Trplsec]

Correct and the numbers support this position. I am not happy about defending a disgrace like JT, but there is no one lower than Stinks. He is a singled celled bit of pond scum. He should be euthanized. I would suggest acid, but he has the Stinks Jinx already and the acid might make him more appealing.


Now that would be the only PPV involving Spinks that I'd buy...


Well, that and live coverage of coke night at Leon's house..

[Nobleart]

Now that would be the only PPV involving Spinks that I'd buy...


Well, that and live coverage of coke night at Leon's house..


I guess the best thing you can say about Cory is that he genuinely seems like a decent person. I understand Leon wasn't always around for him but I've seen them both up at the HOF in New York and Cory really dotes on his father, taking care of him. One year Leon looked like he was really sick and Cory was always there by his side. Carrying his snotrag around and wiping his nose for him.

It was kind of sad to watch but Cory didn't seem like he was put out by it at all.

[Alabama_Man]

I didn't say you said he landed more. But Taylor missed a hell of a lot more. F*ck compubox - since when did those stats validate anything? Maybe Taylor turned it around in the last four rounds cuz I didn't watch them. But for the first seven, he wasn't throwing sh*t and what he was throwing wasn't landing.
:clap:

Look someone who watched the fight. I'm impressed.

[Neil]

I am retired from Smacktalking. I will retire completely before I resume my old ways.

what a quitter. comparing this quit job to freitas would be giving this dullard far too much credit. his insults were hardly championship level. to even consider this cowardice james leija-esque is a definite stetch. what we are looking at here is akin to a club fighter who has found a cozy place on the canvas. joey guy

[Orthodox Crusader]

I guess the best thing you can say about Cory is that he genuinely seems like a decent person. I understand Leon wasn't always around for him but I've seen them both up at the HOF in New York and Cory really dotes on his father, taking care of him. One year Leon looked like he was really sick and Cory was always there by his side. Carrying his snotrag around and wiping his nose for him.

It was kind of sad to watch but Cory didn't seem like he was put out by it at all.


Coreys decency and Leons absences are related phenomenon I feel.

As it happens, Mike and Leon Spinks are, IMHO, two of the most classless sacks of shit ever to grace the game.

[dsimon3387]

:clap:

Look someone who watched the fight. I'm impressed.

dsimon writes:

:lol: :lol:

You know what? I have remained mute on who won this fight and I watched the fight and I don't know who won the fight. I couldn't begin to form a reasonable opinion on who won that fight.

Leone was good in Corey's corner, he could be a decent trainer. Corey seemed more purposeful, he executed, he was not hurt by anything Taylor threw. he also gave away the last round like a dunce.

[ILLUMINATI]

I had it 7-5 for Spinks....but it's better for boxing that Taylor won...

[The Cuban Hawk]

Didn't Steward tell Taylor at one point in the fight............"I wish you were fighting Miranda tonight instead of this guy"? :lol:

Yep. :lol: :lol:

And he also threw in, "This is exactly the way I expected it to be..." :lol: :lol:

I nearly laughed my ass off when he said that. :lol: :laughing:

[slystaff]

Didn't Steward tell Taylor at one point in the fight............"I wish you were fighting Miranda tonight instead of this guy"? :lol:

Yeah, something like:

"See, you should have taken the Miranda fight instead of dealing with this shit" :lol:

[crold1]

Agree whole heartedly with Bama. I had it 9-3 Spinks. Spinks didn't run at all. He circled, jabbed, set the pace, controlled the ring all night...

Taylor stood there looking at him for 2:30 of almost every round. As to Compubox, if Taylor outlanded Spinks on power shots in round 5, I'll eat my CPU. Total BS.

If this had been a fighter with better good will built up, there would outrage in the air. Spinks beat Taylor.

To show how sick I am, I rewatched the fight just to make sure I didn't miss somewthing. I watched this twice...the horror.

[Alabama_Man]

I watched this twice...the horror.

Geebus man. Twice? That's like asking to get raked across the balls twice by an inexperienced virgin. :eek:

[crold1]

...with braces...you left out with braces.

Had to though before I wrote this week to be sure I wasn't giving him too much props.

[Nobleart]

Agree whole heartedly with Bama. I had it 9-3 Spinks. Spinks didn't run at all. He circled, jabbed, set the pace, controlled the ring all night...



landed punches? :dunno:


He stayed out of Jermaine's range and jumped in and landed 1 or 2 shots a round. The whole second half of the fight he was deplorable.

Jermaine sucked but Spinks was even worse. Jermaine couldn't handle Spinks speed but Spinks didn't do any better against Jermain's size and strength advantage.

It's becoming like every fight that goes to a decision is deemed a robbery nowadays. Mayweather won clearly 2 weeks ago and Taylor won pretty clearly last weekend.

I don't even like Jermaine, I was rooting like crazy against him in the Hopkins fight but it seems like people are scoring fights against him just so they can say he hasn't actually beaten any quality opponents.

I can already see the ridiculous claims that he's actually 0-4 against Hopkins, Wright and Spinks.

[crold1]

Given that compubox is a stat sample at best, the landed shots were virtually equal. Spinks threw 2-300 more shots and landed equal. Who made the fight?

[Nobleart]

Given that compubox is a stat sample at best, the landed shots were virtually equal. Spinks threw 2-300 more shots and landed equal. Who made the fight?


I agree, Compubox is crap including the number of punches that Spinks threw. Shooting out a jab that you miss by 3 feet shouldn't exactly count for a punch or given any credit.

Spinks was beating Jermaine to the punch early in the fight but as the fight wore on he wasn't landing shit.

As to your question................neither fighter made the fight. They both stunk.

[dsimon3387]

I agree, Compubox is crap including the number of punches that Spinks threw. Shooting out a jab that you miss by 3 feet shouldn't exactly count for a punch or given any credit.

Spinks was beating Jermaine to the punch early in the fight but as the fight wore on he wasn't landing shit.

As to your question................neither fighter made the fight. They both stunk.

dsimon writes:

Bottom line. Bottom line.

Spinks was delusional enough to give away the last round and this was all the judges needed to figure out who the more uppidity scrub was:lol:

[?H?L?QU?L?$]

landed punches? :dunno:


He stayed out of Jermaine's range and jumped in and landed 1 or 2 shots a round. The whole second half of the fight he was deplorable.

Jermaine sucked but Spinks was even worse. Jermaine couldn't handle Spinks speed but Spinks didn't do any better against Jermain's size and strength advantage.

It's becoming like every fight that goes to a decision is deemed a robbery nowadays. Mayweather won clearly 2 weeks ago and Taylor won pretty clearly last weekend.

I don't even like Jermaine, I was rooting like crazy against him in the Hopkins fight but it seems like people are scoring fights against him just so they can say he hasn't actually beaten any quality opponents.

I can already see the ridiculous claims that he's actually 0-4 against Hopkins, Wright and Spinks.
:bears: :bears:

[D MAN]

I would give DLH the win against Mayweather before I give Spinks the win over Taylor.

Spinks did FUCK ALL the entire fight.

[Jake]

landed punches? :dunno:


He stayed out of Jermaine's range and jumped in and landed 1 or 2 shots a round. The whole second half of the fight he was deplorable.

Jermaine sucked but Spinks was even worse. Jermaine couldn't handle Spinks speed but Spinks didn't do any better against Jermain's size and strength advantage.

It's becoming like every fight that goes to a decision is deemed a robbery nowadays. Mayweather won clearly 2 weeks ago and Taylor won pretty clearly last weekend.

I don't even like Jermaine, I was rooting like crazy against him in the Hopkins fight but it seems like people are scoring fights against him just so they can say he hasn't actually beaten any quality opponents.

I can already see the ridiculous claims that he's actually 0-4 against Hopkins, Wright and Spinks.
Why would it be a ridiculous claim? I scored all four against him - not because I have a vendetta against him, just because I thought he lost all four.

That said, I don't consider this one a great robbery. I had Spinks winning, but really haven't vehemently argued any scorecard, since so little action was offered in any round. But this was certainly the worst performance of Jermain's prime.

[Nobleart]

Why would it be a ridiculous claim? I scored all four against him - not because I have a vendetta against him, just because I thought he lost all four.

That said, I don't consider this one a great robbery. I had Spinks winning, but really haven't vehemently argued any scorecard, since so little action was offered in any round. But this was certainly the worst performance of Jermain's prime.

I have him 1 and 1 vs. Hopkins and I'm a huge Bernard fan. I thought he beat Spinks fairly easily even though he sucked in the fight and the Winky fight was a legitimate draw IMO. Once again I was rooting for Winky but he just gave it away at the end, similar to the Vargas fight.

All the fights were close and while Jermain is a frustrating fighter to watch I think it's a bit disingenuous to claim 4 losses for him in each of those fights. That's just my opinion anyway.

There is something about Jermain that makes other fighters stink to. Probably his tentativeness mixed with a wildness when he does decide to unload. Makes other fighters as nervous as him.

I hope he gets taken out his next fight...............but I think that's easier said then done.

[Jake]

I don't say that he's 0-4 in suggesting that he sucks, though. Sometimes the scorecards just turn out the way they do. It's what happens when you score fights round by round, rather than as a whole.

Of the four, I never really argued agains the outcome of Hopkins II, and this fight. The Wright fight, IMO, is actually the clearest loss - the more I rewatch it, the more I realize how badly Wink was screwed. And that's even if you go along with the suggestion that he gave away the 12th (which he didn't, he just didn't attempt to shoeshine as much as Jermain).

[Father of Muzse]

Jermain is Paulie Ayala reincarnated.

I didn't score the fight. Frankly, I stopped paying attention after four or five rounds. the "onliest" times I looked up was to hear Manny yelling at Jermain.