Pavlik Who? Joe Who? Forget It: Taylor Camp Talking With "Tito"

[Hex-One]

:eeeek:

http://www.pound4pound.com/FightReport/2007/TaylorCampTalkingWithTito.htm


Let's discuss!

[Baron]

Bullshit. It won't happen.

[TKO]

Well if it does, Tito should take one fight before he beats up that bum

[Orthodox Crusader]

Well if it does, Tito should take one fight before he beats up that bum


Damn. This is a new low for Taylor. He's obviously been dropped or hurt or KTFO in training.

[TKO]

Damn. This is a new low for Taylor. He's obviously been dropped or hurt or KTFO in training.


...why so

[Double L]

Taylor's a mirage. How he beat Hopkins I'll never understand. And I thought he lost to Wright.

[TKO]

Taylor's a mirage. How he beat Hopkins I'll never understand. And I thought he lost to Wright.

:bears:

And after watching the Spinks encounter....there is no doubt Tito would kick ass is this fight.

[Jake]

Damn. This is a new low for Taylor. He's obviously been dropped or hurt or KTFO in training.
More than a few people claim that Andy Lee was smacking him around from one corner to another whenever they sparred.

[Orthodox Crusader]

More than a few people claim that Andy Lee was smacking him around from one corner to another whenever they sparred.


Lee is Irish. Thats to be expected.



On a serious note, Lee is a tall southpaw with an impressive amateur pedigree.

Tito is nothing of the sort.

[Der Tiger]

Lee is Irish. Thats to be expected.



On a serious note, Lee is a tall southpaw with an impressive amateur pedigree.

Tito is nothing of the sort.

I agree, Tito is far from an unproven Olympian with a few Ws against bums.
Tito's act is almost as tired as RJ's at the moment, retire or be active...I would take Taylor, simply because he has won more fights in the last 2.5 years

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

LOL at you guys. Tito wouldn't be able to do nothing to Taylor right now.

[Orthodox Crusader]

I agree, Tito is far from an unproven Olympian with a few Ws against bums.
Tito's act is almost as tired as RJ's at the moment, retire or be active...I would take Taylor, simply because he has won more fights in the last 2.5 years


I'm just saying that gym wars with shifty olympians and real fights against more str8 up opponents can be different scenarios. Thats all.:dunno:

[Orthodox Crusader]

LOL at you guys. Tito wouldn't be able to do nothing to Taylor right now.


Uh, thats the point we are making.

Taylor is back to his old tricks.

:nono:

If Taylor is really a stand up guy, he'll fight Miranda.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Uh, thats the point we are making.

Taylor is back to his old tricks.

:nono:

If Taylor is really a stand up guy, he'll fight Miranda.:dunno:

[StingerKarl]

It certainly is a better fight for Tito than Winky was.
Tito ought to take a fight before though, any fight just to shake off some of the rust.

[slystaff]

LOL at you guys. Tito wouldn't be able to do nothing to Taylor right now.

Ah...finally someone with intelligence.

[slystaff]

It certainly is a better fight for Tito than Winky was.
Tito ought to take a fight before though, any fight just to shake off some of the rust.

Agreed. Tito should take a tune up fight against...MIRANDA first. Miranda has the perfect style for Tito to look good and get his confidence back.

[Double L]

LOL at you guys. Tito wouldn't be able to do nothing to Taylor right now.

which is probably the reason Taylor will fight him, and not Pavlik or Slappy.

Tito, as an opponent, will work to discredit the claims that Taylor is avoiding punchers, while at the same time, satisfy the criteria that the opponent be a natural 154 pounder and past his prime.

[*Z*]

Taylor is a fucking joke. Now he's trying to pull smaller guys out of retirement.

[slystaff]

Taylor is a fucking joke. Now he's trying to pull smaller guys out of retirement.

I agree.

If he doesn't fight Pavlik (or Calzaghe) next he's a joke.

[*Z*]

I agree.

If he doesn't fight Pavlik (or Calzaghe) next he's a joke.

Isn't his mandatory due? Should he be forced to start negotiating with Pavlik? If he fights anyone but Pavlik he needs to be stripped. Especially if it's a retired fighter. Tito isn't going to be ranked, so how on earth is he allowed a title fight?

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Isn't his mandatory due? Should he be forced to start negotiating with Pavlik? If he fights anyone but Pavlik he needs to be stripped. Especially if it's a retired fighter. Tito isn't going to be ranked, so how on earth is he allowed a title fight?This is what i was thinking. Pavlik has already fought 2 final eliminators this year.

[Arben]

More than a few people claim that Andy Lee was smacking him around from one corner to another whenever they sparred.
Shoot, even Emmanuel Steward has no problem saying that.

[Hex-One]

Taylor's a mirage. How he beat Hopkins I'll never understand. And I thought he lost to Wright. Me and my cousin were talking about this the other day, I don't understand how he beat the great Hopkins even though I had (Taylor)losing the rematch.

[LEGENDARY]

Me and my cousin were talking about this the other day, I don't understand how he beat the great Hopkins even though I had (Taylor)losing the rematch.

Taylor is a piece od Garbage, if Tito would even hit Taylor with a good shot he would turn as yellow as a fucking crayon.

[whiskey]

Tito isn't going to be ranked, so how on earth is he allowed a title fight?

Don King

[Hex-One]

Taylor is a piece od Garbage, if Tito would even hit Taylor with a good shot he would turn as yellow as a fucking crayon.:lol: :bears:

[Double L]

the only question now is if Taylor is smart enough to recognize that basically, his promoter doesn't think he's any good.

i bet Taylor "tries" to fight Tito, doesn't get it made, and ends up facing Verno Phillips. :lol:

[Neil]

smart move by the taylor camp to squeeze out any easy victory and finally look impressive going into a fight he will lose

[Hex-One]

Ok here are my 2 cents. Tito is my fav fighter but to be honest I don't think Tito can do it. He's been inactive too long and from some recent pics that I have seen Tito is pumping 200+. A pre Hopkins Tito totally smashes Taylor and gives him a career ending beating. But not this version of Tito. My biggest concern now is Tito's timing and conditioning. He's been out too long.

I hope Tito stays retired even though I would love to see him retire champion!

[Jake]

Shoot, even Emmanuel Steward has no problem saying that.
yeah but Manny will say it to hype up Andy. Everyone else actually means it :lol:

[LEGENDARY]

Don King

and Felix Trinidad = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ + PPV = more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Jake]

Trinidad is the WBC Number One Contender Emeritus

[whiskey]

Trinidad is the WBC Number One Contender Emeritus

:lol: :lol:

[*Z*]

Trinidad is the WBC Number One Contender Emeritus

Don't even joke, you'll get Dymipeple going. :lol:

[jarhead]

This is a great fight for Taylor to take. Its big money, its a big name, and its a gravy win. Taylor would stop Tito, most likely inside 6 rounds. Tito was a great fighter at Welterweight. Not Middleweight. I laugh my ass off when people try and say he could beat so and so pre-Hopkins. He could fight with anyone at 147 on down. 154 and up, it ain't happening. Wright and Hopkins dominated Tito. Made him look amateurish. Say what you may, Taylor lost to Wright/Hopkins, but hands down no one dominated anyone. Taylor fought to a draw(at least/most) with both of them. This totally reminds me of how guys on this board refused to believe Tyson was shot.:notallthere:


Now, if this goes down, which it may since Taylor made it very clear he wants the fights that bring him the most money. He should be stripped. But I'm thinking thats his plan anyway. A cake payday against Tito, before he moves up and fights Joe for another payday.

I am no Taylor fan. But this really makes sense from his camps perspective.

[Double L]

can you say, "Jermain-cott?"

[Hex-One]

can you say, "Jermain-cott?":bears:

[Double L]

The fight I'd like to see is Ouma vs. Tito. Now that'd be a war. And a high contact fight. I think Tito would prevail in the end.

[Alabama_Man]

Jer-bum Taylor would get beat stupider by Tito.

Why would he want to end his career getting his ass kicked by an old, semi-shot Tito?

Taylor is the most garbage fighter to ever hold a title in years, and that includes Mzonke Fana.

[Double L]

Jer-bum Taylor would get beat stupider by Tito.

Why would he want to end his career getting his ass kicked by an old, semi-shot Tito?

Taylor is the most garbage fighter to ever hold a title in years, and that includes Mzonke Fana.

uh. let's not discredit our cause with ridiculous hyperbole. even if you think Taylor lost to Hopkins, he fought him close in two fights. and the same goes for Wright. he's better than Fana and a host of other former and existing title-holders. he's just not as good as HBO and his wins over hand-picked opposition seem to suggest.

[whiskey]

uh. let's not discredit our cause with ridiculous hyperbole. even if you think Taylor lost to Hopkins, he fought him close in two fights. and the same goes for Wright. he's better than Fana and a host of other former and existing title-holders. he's just not as good as HBO and his wins over hand-picked opposition seem to suggest.

Agreed

[jarhead]

uh. let's not discredit our cause with ridiculous hyperbole. even if you think Taylor lost to Hopkins, he fought him close in two fights. and the same goes for Wright. he's better than Fana and a host of other former and existing title-holders. he's just not as good as HBO and his wins over hand-picked opposition seem to suggest.

This is exactly what I was getting at, but to your credit, you hit the point home better:clap:

Tito was manhandled by Hop, and dominated by Wright. Neither of the two could handle Taylor that way. To sit here and say Tito would end Taylor's career or that Tito would even beat Taylor is just plain stupid:doh:

Taylor beats Tito by TKO in under 6.:nono:

[Alabama_Man]

Damn the Taylor nut sucking in here is incredible.

Taylor is the dumbest fighter to ever lace a pair of gloves on. This guy always finds a way to lose, but his management always finds a way for him to win ($$$ to Judges).

If there was a BUM Hall of Fame, Taylor would be a shoe-in. He's amongst the greatest bums of all-time along with Rocky Marciano, and Arturo Gatti.

I hope this fight happens so when Tito punches Taylor his nuts will rip off in your nut sucking mouths.

[Hex-One]

Damn the Taylor nut sucking in here is incredible.

Taylor is the dumbest fighter to ever lace a pair of gloves on. This guy always finds a way to lose, but his management always finds a way for him to win ($$$ to Judges).

If there was a BUM Hall of Fame, Taylor would be a shoe-in. He's amongst the greatest bums of all-time along with Rocky Marciano, and Arturo Gatti.

I hope this fight happens so when Tito punches Taylor his nuts will rip off in your nut sucking mouths.:lol: :popcorn:

[Alabama_Man]

LOL at you guys. Tito wouldn't be able to do nothing to Taylor right now.

Taylor is shit.

I would bet my $750,000 condo that Micky Ward would decision or brutally stop Taylor.

[Jake]

Julian Jackson to receive permanent WBC middleweight belt

http://www.fightbeat.com/news_details.php?NW=1794

Taylor-Jackson anyone?

[Double L]

Taylor is shit.

I would bet my $750,000 condo that Micky Ward would decision or brutally stop Taylor.

you have a $750k condo? i don't like you anymore. take your rich ass and and punt it bitch. :lol: where you at anyways?

[Alabama_Man]

you have a $750k condo? i don't like you anymore. take your rich ass and and punt it bitch. :lol: where you at anyways?

:popcorn:

San Francisco, Nob Hill area.

If you want some good food and boxing discussion, come to Dsimon's restaurant in S.F when it opens. I'll make sure to welcome the guy who picked Gatti over Mayweather with open arms. :lol:

[Matchup_Analyzer]

you have a $750k condo? i don't like you anymore. take your rich ass and and punt it bitch. :lol: where you at anyways?

Why anyone would throw that info out there is beyond me, what a softie

[Double L]

:popcorn:

San Francisco, Nob Hill area.

If you want some good food and boxing discussion, come to Dsimon's restaurant in S.F when it opens. I'll make sure to welcome the guy who picked Gatti over Mayweather with open arms. :lol:

i didn't pick Gatti! i picked Baldomir and at the time, made it clear that i was doing so for moral support.

[Neil]

The fight I'd like to see is Ouma vs. Tito. Now that'd be a war. And a high contact fight. I think Tito would prevail in the end.

ouma would whip trinidads ass.

[Baron]

Why anyone would throw that info out there is beyond me, what a softie:lol:

[Alabama_Man]

i didn't pick Gatti! i picked Baldomir and at the time, made it clear that i was doing so for moral support.

Baldomir is still better than Taylor. I'd pick him over Jer-bum Taylor anyday.

[Baron]

Baldomir is still better than Taylor. I'd pick him over Jer-bum Taylor anyday.Trying to replace Rubio while he's not around?

[Double L]

Why anyone would throw that info out there is beyond me, what a softie

you mean Bama? he must be insecure.

does this mean you own a $750k condo too? :lol:

[Alabama_Man]

Trying to replace Rubio while he's no around?

Who? :dunno:

[Baron]

Who? :dunno:RubiHO HoMoSexual :dunno:

[Alabama_Man]

RubiHO HoMoSexual :dunno:

:dunno:

[Neil]

San Francisco, Nob Hill area.


apparently there isn't much of a correlation between boxing knowledge and affluence in this case.

my guess: this chap slobbed enough frisco knobs and was granted a condo emeritus on Nob Hill as a reward for his committment to fellatious excellence

[Alabama_Man]

uh. let's not discredit our cause with ridiculous hyperbole. even if you think Taylor lost to Hopkins, he fought him close in two fights. and the same goes for Wright. he's better than Fana and a host of other former and existing title-holders. he's just not as good as HBO and his wins over hand-picked opposition seem to suggest.

Taylor would have a hard time beating any title holder from 140-168. Junior Witter is the only title holder in that range that Taylor might have a chance against and I'd still pick Witter by decision.

[Double L]

Taylor would have a hard time beating any title holder from 140-168. Junior Witter is the only title holder in that range that Taylor might have a chance against and I'd still pick Witter by decision.

he just beat Spinks who was a title-holder at 154. and he beat Ouma who had held a title at 154. Kris. He's the king of the 154 pounders. :lol:

it's at 160 that there's a lot of guys who could probably beat him.

[Alabama_Man]

he just beat Spinks who was a title-holder at 154. and he beat Ouma who had held a title at 154. Kris. He's the king of the 154 pounders. :lol:

it's at 160 that there's a lot of guys who could probably beat him.

Spinks was robbed. Even Manny Steward didn't think he won. Ouma kicked Taylor's ass and he wasn't a title holder when they fought.

[Alabama_Man]

apparently there isn't much of a correlation between boxing knowledge and affluence in this case.

my guess: this chap slobbed enough frisco knobs and was granted a condo emeritus on Nob Hill as a reward for his committment to fellatious excellence

There are a lot of wealthy homosexuals in Nob Hill, I'm not one of them.

Full House was filmed only blocks away from where I live. The Olsen Twins are not attractive to me, though Lori Loughlin was somewhat amicable to my eyes.

[slystaff]

Taylor would have a hard time beating any title holder from 140-168......

Speechless.

[Double L]

Speechless.

he's 3/5 correct. i believe it's true that he'd have a hard time beating title holders at 154, 160 and 154. it's at 147 and 140 where i think he'd shine. maybe DiBella should switch from 154 pounders to 147 pounders.

Taylor/Margarito anyone?

[Matchup_Analyzer]

apparently there isn't much of a correlation between boxing knowledge and affluence in this case.

my guess: this chap slobbed enough frisco knobs and was granted a condo emeritus on Nob Hill as a reward for his committment to fellatious excellence
:laughing: thats some fucked up shit to say

[jarhead]

Speechless is correct Sly. Taylor is not a fighter I like to watch. But the posts on this thread have shown the intelligence of many posters on this site. :doh:

[slystaff]

Taylor/Margarito anyone?

:doh:

[Matchup_Analyzer]

you mean Bama? he must be insecure.

does this mean you own a $750k condo too? :lol:

Yes, I mean Bama

I'm not sure what I would be trying to accomplish by posting what I own on a message board :lol: and no I don't own a $750k condo

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Spinks was robbed. Even Manny Steward didn't think he won. Ouma kicked Taylor's ass and he wasn't a title holder when they fought.
Taylor won virtually every round agaisnt Ouma. Spinks was robbed by running away. Sure Jermain didn't do shit but that was more then Spinks done.

[Trplsec]

Speechless.


Well said...

Whether you agree with the decisions or not, Jermain Taylor is still undefeated after fighting two of the best P4P fighters of the last 10 years in Hopkins & Wright.

I don't care much for Taylor. I think he's regressed slightly from an ability standpoint, but he I would pencil him in as a favorite or an even money bet against anyone from 147 to 168 including Calzaghe, Pavlik, Miranda or Abraham.

After the snoozefest against Spinks everyone is quick to bemoan Taylor's ability. However, anyone stepping in the ring with him is faced with a big, rangy, and capable middleweight who presents significant problems.

Most fans would pick Hopkins easily against Taylor in a 3rd fight based on their respective last fights. But once the bell rings Bernard would still be faced with the same issues that kept him from walking through Taylor in their previous bouts.

[ILLUMINATI]

Ok here are my 2 cents. Tito is my fav fighter but to be honest I don't think Tito can do it. He's been inactive too long and from some recent pics that I have seen Tito is pumping 200+. A pre Hopkins Tito totally smashes Taylor and gives him a career ending beating. But not this version of Tito. My biggest concern now is Tito's timing and conditioning. He's been out too long.

I hope Tito stays retired even though I would love to see him retire champion!

Agree..Tito has been out for tooo long...to jump in with a bigger guy...NOW even after the last to Winky had he stayed active fighting even bums..he could've taken Taylor...but coming straight out...i wouldn't bet on it.

[ILLUMINATI]

Baldomir is still better than Taylor. I'd pick him over Jer-bum Taylor anyday.

:lol:come on..

[ILLUMINATI]

Taylor and his team are real bitches...they have PAVLIK, DUDDY right infront of them....:dunno:I could understand NOT TAKING the Calslappy fight...Taylor will have to travel and take teh L.

[*Z*]

Taylor and his team are real bitches...they have PAVLIK, DUDDY right infront of them....:dunno:I could understand NOT TAKING the Calslappy fight...Taylor will have to travel and take teh L.

Screw Duddy! Miranda even after losing to Pavlik is a more legit opponent. Duddy shouldn't even be considered. It's a no win situation for Taylor. If he wins "Who did Duddy ever beat" if he loses, well I don't need to explain why that's bad.

[ILLUMINATI]

Screw Duddy! Miranda even after losing to Pavlik is a more legit opponent. Duddy shouldn't even be considered. It's a no win situation for Taylor. If he wins "Who did Duddy ever beat" if he loses, well I don't need to explain why that's bad.

Well the Duddy fight will probably be a bigger money fight than a fight against Pavlik, and with less risk. Taylor vs. Duddy would sell out the Garden in New York....while Pavlik vs. Taylor will take place in a half empty arena in Arkansas or whatever...FOR HIM to fight another 147/154 i prefer a fight against Duddy. Big Money, sell out crowd, good publicity, and maybe a good showing by Taylor..probably not.

I'm surprise Taylor hasn't called out Fernando Vargas....

[Hex-One]

Screw Duddy! Miranda even after losing to Pavlik is a more legit opponent. Duddy shouldn't even be considered. It's a no win situation for Taylor. If he wins "Who did Duddy ever beat" if he loses, well I don't need to explain why that's bad. Miranda cant fight @160 anymore. Maybe a catch weight of at least 162:dunno:

[Orthodox Crusader]

Cotto: Ain't you gained a couple pounds??

http://www.fightnews.com/1photos/trinidad_cotto.jpg

Tito: "Just keep smiling, just keep smiling"

Kid on left: "Fucker looks like Wilfredo Benitez"

[Hex-One]

Cotto: Ain't you gained a couple pounds??

http://www.fightnews.com/1photos/trinidad_cotto.jpg

Tito: "Just keep smiling, just keep smiling"

Kid on left: "Fucker looks like Wilfredo Benitez"

:lol: That kid on the left is Ivan Calderon!:eeeek:

[Orthodox Crusader]

:lol: That kid on the left is Ivan Calderon!:eeeek:


Well if thats the case


Cotto: "Ain't you gained a couple pounds?"

Tito: "Yes, but not as many as that fat fuck Calderon."

Calderon "Fucker STILL looks like Wilfredo Benitez"

[KaukipRrr]

Taylor and his team are real bitches...they have PAVLIK, DUDDY right infront of them....:dunno:I could understand NOT TAKING the Calslappy fight...Taylor will have to travel and take teh L.

:eek: Do you mean DUDDY?...is an acceptable opponent?......, why not fight Tito afterall?...:notallthere: look what Tito did to a 'prime' Yori Boy Campas for one,.. :nono: you silly half spaniard.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Screw Duddy! Miranda even after losing to Pavlik is a more legit opponent. Duddy shouldn't even be considered. It's a no win situation for Taylor. If he wins "Who did Duddy ever beat" if he loses, well I don't need to explain why that's bad.


Who did Ouma ever beat????

Who did Spinks ever beat????

[Alabama_Man]

Who did Spinks ever beat????

Jer-bum Taylor last Saturday. Apparently, myself and a few posters here are the only people in the world who know how to score a fight though.

[ILLUMINATI]

:eek: Do you mean DUDDY?...is an acceptable opponent?......, why not fight Tito afterall?...:notallthere: look what Tito did to a 'prime' Yori Boy Campas for one,.. :nono: you silly half spaniard.

Trinidad has been retire for 2 years....the first time he has been in a gym since the winky fight was to visit Oscar's training camp...:nono:...Duddy is active and is top 5 at Middleweight...behind Pavlik, Miranda, Abraham...now that Winky moved up to fight Hopkins.....

So he went life and death w/ Campas....so? His a brawler like Margarito he couldn't avoid it..he doesn't have the skills to box and move..so he brawls. WHO did Jermain Taylor beat before fighting HOPKINS, to make US think he could beat Hop?....Joppy?..the same Joppy that was KO' by Trinidad...and brutalize by Hopkins...

Duddy and Pavlik are just suggestions...as long as Taylor fights one of the top Middleweight i don't have a problem...shit i would not care if he fights Miranda..styles makes fight...Duddy,Pavlik, Miranda have the style/ and power to give Taylor hell...

[KaukipRrr]

Trinidad has been retire for 2 years....the first time he has been in a gym since the winky fight was to visit Oscar's training camp...:nono:...Duddy is active and is top 5 at Middleweight...behind Pavlik, Miranda, Abraham...now that Winky moved up to fight Hopkins.....

So he went life and death w/ Campas....so? His a brawler like Margarito he couldn't avoid it..he doesn't have the skills to box and move..so he brawls. WHO did Jermain Taylor beat before fighting HOPKINS, to make US think he could beat Hop?....Joppy?..the same Joppy that was KO' by Trinidad...and brutalize by Hopkins...

Duddy and Pavlik are just suggestions...as long as Taylor fights one of the top Middleweight i don't have a problem...shit i would not care if he fights Miranda..styles makes fight...Duddy,Pavlik, Miranda have the style/ and power to give Taylor hell...

Campas recently lost a comfortable decision to,..what I guess must be another 'top 5' opponent really, (:crafty: must be pretty crowded up there in that top 5),...but unlike Duddy...who nearly died in the ring, and was convulsing on his own vomit, with his eyes popping out of his head, and blood spraying everywhere like a manga animation,... this particular 'top 5' middleweight who we'll call 'Mr unknown',..comfortably handled the unrelenting warrior, with apparent ease,....

:rolleyes: When you say top 5?.. do you mean,..'popularity' plays a part in your rankings? ...just a question, because I think Duddy, who recently struggled against a journeyman who I guess we can call a 'top 6' middleweight, just isn't going to win the middleweight championship of the world, because a parade of inebriated green lepracauns say so.

[ILLUMINATI]

Campas recently lost a comfortable decision to,..what I guess must be another 'top 5' opponent really, (:crafty: must be pretty crowded up there in that top 5),...but unlike Duddy...who nearly died in the ring, and was convulsing on his own vomit, with his eyes popping out of his head, and blood spraying everywhere like a manga animation,... this particular 'top 5' middleweight who we'll call 'Mr unknown',..comfortably handled the unrelenting warrior, with apparent ease,....

:rolleyes: When you say top 5?.. do you mean,..'popularity' plays a part in your rankings? ...just a question, because I think Duddy, who recently struggled against a journeyman who I guess we can call a 'top 6' middleweight, just isn't going to win the middleweight championship of the world, because a parade of inebriated green lepracauns say so.


Styles makes fight...Duddy struggle with Campas because both are brawlers. You know the same way Brawling head first Margarito lose easily to Rodney Jones, but skillful mover like Cory Spinks had an easy time with him...

What other top Middleweight are out there...?...So if a fighter has some problems in a fight he should never be rank..?...man JL Castillo should not fight Hatton.....WOW Tszyu should've never defended against Hatton since Casper struggle w/ Vince "Tszyu Daddy" Phillips...

[KaukipRrr]

Styles makes fight...Duddy struggle with Campas because both are brawlers. You know the same way Brawling head first Margarito lose easily to Rodney Jones, but skillful mover like Cory Spinks had an easy time with him...

What other top Middleweight are out there...?...So if a fighter has some problems in a fight he should never be rank..?...man JL Castillo should not fight Hatton.....WOW Tszyu should've never defended against Hatton since Casper struggle w/ Vince "Tszyu Daddy" Phillips...

Well if Duddy's a brawler, who brings the hurt, the heat, the power and the passion, how come this much elder version of Yori Boy Campas, couldn't take 'the pressure' from vastly smaller opponents in his 'prime'?..We saw how effective Oscar De La Hoya and Tito Trinidad were at middleweight, what makes Yori Boy that unique breed, to have viciously mauled what you say is a ''TOP CLASS'' middleweight, and then how do you explain, that in his most recent extraordinary outing, directly after Duddy,..he was handled comfortably by 'Mr X'..?..:dunno:

[KaukipRrr]

WOW Tszyu should've never defended against Hatton since Casper struggle w/ Vince "Tszyu Daddy" Phillips...

:notallthere: WTF!?,....Don't you mean, Tszyu shouldn't have defended against Hatton because he absolutely steamrolled Vince?.. Hatton won virtually every round, apart from the 4th, but in Fraud-groupie terms, that still means a 'shut out'. (:rolleyes: A 6 rounds to 5, with 1 even, means a 'shut-out' to Fraud groupies like YOU:nono: ).

[Orthodox Crusader]

Styles makes fight...Duddy struggle with Campas because both are brawlers. You know the same way Brawling head first Margarito lose easily to Rodney Jones, but skillful mover like Cory Spinks had an easy time with him...

What other top Middleweight are out there...?...So if a fighter has some problems in a fight he should never be rank..?...man JL Castillo should not fight Hatton.....WOW Tszyu should've never defended against Hatton since Casper struggle w/ Vince "Tszyu Daddy" Phillips...

OUch, ouch, ouch.....more ouch......ouch again....double ouch...:bears: :bears:

[TKO]

Well I had Spinks winning by a round,so there...:blobbox:

[Orthodox Crusader]

Well I had Spinks winning by a round,so there...:blobbox:


Where did you see it? Sky?

Fucking landlady won't get it in!!!!

[TKO]

Yeh on sky thanks to my "sky view" box..:lol:

A few beers and a mid morning fight, not a bad way to spend your w/e

[Orthodox Crusader]

Yeh on sky thanks to my "sky view" box..:lol:

A few beers and a mid morning fight, not a bad way to spend your w/e

Sounds like most of Ireland

How does this SKY BOX thing work???

[TKO]

Sounds like most of Ireland

How does this SKY BOX thing work???

Well its actually quite simple.....:lol:

You get the cheapest digital feed into your house, this happens to NTL

Purchase a sky view box, replace the NTL box with the sky view...
shaazammm

You get all the sky channels and more...PPV free, thats right all the PPV league games free, NASN, for all your ice hockey needs. And some other interesting channels too.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Well its actually quite simple.....:lol:

You get the cheapest digital feed into your house, this happens to NTL

Purchase a sky view box, replace the NTL box with the sky view...
shaazammm

You get all the sky channels and more...PPV free, thats right all the PPV league games free, NASN, for all your ice hockey needs. And some other interesting channels too.


??????:dunno:

OK...I am in my sitting room right now. I see the NTL socket and I see the shittly little NTL Box.

NOW!!

You say I need a SKY VIEW BOX...I think I might have one from a previous deal I had with SKY in the past. Is that the correct box? The PACE box, a white thing??

What do I do now???:dunno:

PM me if you don't like talking about this in front of snoopy mods:nono:

CHEERS!

[TKO]

A sky view box will have to be bought from the local del boy...they range from 200-250. The sky view has nothing got to do with SKY, Check out e-bay.

NTL digital is required. Most people have it, but if you just have the normal NTL the upgrade only costs €5 extra and I think thats bi-monthly

[Orthodox Crusader]

A sky view box will have to be bought from the local del boy...they range from 200-250. The sky view has nothing got to do with SKY, Check out e-bay.

NTL digital is required. Most people have it, but if you just have the normal NTL the upgrade only costs €5 extra and I think thats bi-monthly


How do I know if I have NTL digital and not just regular NTL?? Sorry to be so 80's.

The local del boy it is then.

PS do you have any idea how it works??? How does he get everything for you, and what does NTL have to do with it??:dunno: Obviously...it piggybacks their signal, but...:dunno:

Cheers:clap:

[TKO]

How do I know if I have NTL digital and not just regular NTL?? Sorry to be so 80's.

The local del boy it is then.

PS do you have any idea how it works??? How does he get everything for you, and what does NTL have to do with it??:dunno: Obviously...it piggybacks their signal, but...:dunno:

Cheers:clap:

Nothing wrong with being old school, basically you get more channels with the digital feed. living,discovery, setanta etc.

The sky view box is simply a decoder

[ILLUMINATI]

Well if Duddy's a brawler, who brings the hurt, the heat, the power and the passion, how come this much elder version of Yori Boy Campas, couldn't take 'the pressure' from vastly smaller opponents in his 'prime'?..We saw how effective Oscar De La Hoya and Tito Trinidad were at middleweight, what makes Yori Boy that unique breed, to have viciously mauled what you say is a ''TOP CLASS'' middleweight, and then how do you explain, that in his most recent extraordinary outing, directly after Duddy,..he was handled comfortably by 'Mr X'..?..:dunno:

Ohh let me see, because Duddy is not in TITO or DE LA HOYA's league....I never said Duddy was a TOP CLASS Middleweight, at the moment his top 5 in a very weak division. Again MR. X had the "skills" to box Campas...MR. X beat Campas easier than Tito or Vargas did...that doesn't make MR. X better than either of those guys.

STYLES...see Cotto is a boxer-puncher he will get HIT by Margarito the fight will be competetive for a few rounds, until Cotto superior skills start showing and he dominates....

Mayweather vs. Margarito....no close early rounds...just pure domination by Mayweather from the start...WHY? Because Mayweather is more skilled than Cotto or Margarito and will use those skills....like Mr.X did against Campas and Duddy could not do against Campas...

[KaukipRrr]

Ohh let me see, because Duddy is not in TITO or DE LA HOYA's league....I never said Duddy was a TOP CLASS Middleweight, at the moment his top 5 in a very weak division. Again MR. X had the "skills" to box Campas...MR. X beat Campas easier than Tito or Vargas did...that doesn't make MR. X better than either of those guys.

STYLES...see Cotto is a boxer-puncher he will get HIT by Margarito the fight will be competetive for a few rounds, until Cotto superior skills start showing and he dominates....

Mayweather vs. Margarito....no close early rounds...just pure domination by Mayweather from the start...WHY? Because Mayweather is more skilled than Cotto or Margarito and will use those skills....like Mr.X did against Campas and Duddy could not do against Campas...

:nono: I don't want to have to explain to you the difference between Welterweight and Middleweight my son, nor can I deal with your tangents of Margarito hate simultaneously because the main issue is still quite alarming to me, your persisting to hype up such a decorated Celtic garbage can, and again I'm feeling worried about your ability to think rationally. Let's start with Duddy's last incredible performance. I see you've put alot of emphasis on styles?,..ok, so tell me, when he struggled recently with some Italian journeyman, did this journo share a rare 'style' to make it a grueling competitive affair with your TOP ranked middleweight ASWELL?, :lol: ..what's so solid and formidable about Duddy again?.....you say he had no skills to outbox Yori boy, so he had to revert to brawling, and yes he sure did, he sure implemented his MAIN STRENGTH accoprding to you. But shockingly, afterwards, Duddy proved himself busted up, out on his feet, and bleeding from every hole, shouldn't he, similar to the skilless brawling of Yori, have a similar impact on the middleweight division?, because he didn't prove himself superior at all, and like you say, he had no skills inwhich to outbox him, virtually, what skills does he have in his inventory to present the top 5 at middleweight?,........:notallthere:... why will Duddy be more effective at middleweight than Yori Boy Campas?..
You know, to distinguish yourself as a top contender you've got to dominate an array of journeyman who possess subtle variations in style, then step up to the old veteran's stage (like Yori Boy) and pass with flying colours, ..:lol: evidently, Duddy had to take a step backwards, and now that he's been biffed up a little more by a freshly plucked garden variety scrub, I think that ought to have certified to his management, that they'd best think about 'cruising' for a while, :lol: Duddy is not yet ready, even for 'old vet level', which progresses into the eliminator level, then championship level, and that's a fact, he's just a celebrated irishman, and really, the equivalent of Emmanuel Augustus, he's got a cult following, but it's time for him to 'cruise' a bit more, take it easy, he's young, apparently good looking, hails from a proud heritage, and draws pissed, apathetic irish in by the arena load, there's easy money to be made, and that's why you'll find this fight aint gunna happen anyway,..Duddy's a fraud, masked as a prosperous jewell on a local all-Irish card, as a hardcore boxing fan, you should not wish for the eventuation of this mismatch.

[ElTerriblee]

:doh:

What´s so funny about Taylor/Margarito, Margarito was more than holding his own against the 170 pounds version of Daniel Santos, who is a much better boxer than Taylor. :dunno:

[Orthodox Crusader]

What´s so funny about Taylor/Margarito, Margarito was more than holding his own against the 170 pounds version of Daniel Santos, who is a much better boxer than Taylor. :dunno:


Santos is not a "much better boxer than Taylor"...Sergei Dzinduruk beat him down like he wasn't nothing. And Santos was always getting dropped....by Dzinduruk, by Sinclair, by Takaloo.....:nono:

[Rubio MHS]

What´s so funny about Taylor/Margarito, Margarito was more than holding his own against the 170 pounds version of Daniel Santos, who is a much better boxer than Taylor. :dunno:Taylor's 180, and he doesn't suck.

[dsimon3387]

Taylor's 180, and he doesn't suck.

dsimon writes:

You know Rubio you keep saying Taylor is "great and doesn't suck" I would be very interested in what you see in Taylor quite frankly.

[Rubio MHS]

dsimon writes:

You know Rubio you keep saying Taylor is "great and doesn't suck" I would be very interested in what you see in Taylor quite frankly.He gets into the ring with great fighters, and always wins enough rounds to make it close, the way Oscar De la Hoya and Emile Griffith did. If he'd lost to Spinks, people would be talking about how he was nothing, that he never won any fight, etc... but he brings it in every fight, and no one's really managed to figure him out. Even if he had lost to Spinks, he could still beat anyone under 170.

[dsimon3387]

He gets into the ring with great fighters, and always wins enough rounds to make it close, the way Oscar De la Hoya and Emile Griffith did. If he'd lost to Spinks, people would be talking about how he was nothing, that he never won any fight, etc... but he brings it in every fight, and no one's really managed to figure him out. Even if he had lost to Spinks, he could still beat anyone under 170.

dsimon writes:

He is physically strong enough to be durable. I mean Winky didn't hurt him and it took hopkins til the later rounds of the first fight to make him stumble around the ring. But I think you could say the same about Ruiz. Ruiz could probably stay in the ring with either Klitchko and survive by frustrating them and every now and then throwing a punch.

I guess I wouldn't call Taylor great for the same reason I wouldn't call Ruiz great. But I know you respect Ruiz also and I can see the durability of a fighter as an interesting, almost throwback like quality. I see your point.

[jarhead]

dsimon writes:

He is physically strong enough to be durable. I mean Winky didn't hurt him and it took hopkins til the later rounds of the first fight to make him stumble around the ring. But I think you could say the same about Ruiz. Ruiz could probably stay in the ring with either Klitchko and survive by frustrating them and every now and then throwing a punch.

I guess I wouldn't call Taylor great for the same reason I wouldn't call Ruiz great. But I know you respect Ruiz also and I can see the durability of a fighter as an interesting, almost throwback like quality. I see your point.

I mentioned the comparison to Ruiz before, I completely agree with you. A great boxer does more than "just get by" and "squeak out rounds". Taylor has a style that is effective and hard to beat, but it is not great. The problem is I see many boxers using this style. Its a very low output, clinching in between one punch at a time style. It would go away if refs were forced to call the fight correctly similar to how Nady called the the RJJ/Ruiz fight. When Ruiz couldn't hold, he had nothing.

[Father of Muzse]

My deceased son Muzse always said Jeff Lacy and Jermain Taylor were bums...

I wish he were here to see all of this...

:doh:

[jarhead]

My deceased son Muzse always said Jeff Lacy and Jermain Taylor were bums...

I wish he were here to see all of this...

:doh:

I must admit, I thought Lacy had technical problems, but that he had the power to compensate it. I picked him against Calzaghe:notallthere: :lol:

[Orthodox Crusader]

I must admit, I thought Lacy had technical problems, but that he had the power to compensate it. I picked him against Calzaghe:notallthere: :lol:


Too bad another one of those "hometown decisions" came to pass.

[Jake]

Too bad another one of those "hometown decisions" came to pass.
I agree. The scoring in Enzo-Hobson I was atrocious.

[Alabama_Man]

My deceased son Muzse always said Jeff Lacy and Jermain Taylor were bums...

I wish he were here to see all of this...

:doh:

It's not like that was a stretch. All of the 2000 Olympians were pretty much bum confirmed. I remember a 200-300 post topic like this on SecondsOut.com 6 years ago.

[jarhead]

Too bad another one of those "hometown decisions" came to pass.

no, that was a pretty good fight for Calzaghe. Come on Orthodox, where's the sense of humor? Did he not come out to play today?:lol:

What about a hometown call for stopping the Manfredo fight?:tease:

[Orthodox Crusader]

I agree. The scoring in Enzo-Hobson I was atrocious.


Hobson would serve himself better by not getting fucking dropped.

Also, Hobson got iced in the rematch.

[Father of Muzse]

It's not like that was a stretch. All of the 2000 Olympians were pretty much bum confirmed. I remember a 200-300 post topic like this on SecondsOut.com 6 years ago.

Remember that terrible KO Nation card when the 2000 Olympic class debuted?

Wasn't it Ricardo Williams, Jermain Taylor, Jose Navarro, Clarence Vinson and Michael Bennett?

[Alabama_Man]

Remember that terrible KO Nation card when the 2000 Olympic class debuted?

Wasn't it Ricardo Williams, Jermain Taylor, Jose Navarro, Clarence Vinson and Michael Bennett?

Yes, I think it was televised on HBO.

I can't believe how shit the 2000 class of olympians turned out. Everlast from Secondsout.com was saying they would be shit all of 2000, and no one believed him. The shittiest crop of U.S olympians in recent memory.

[Father of Muzse]

Yes, I think it was televised on HBO.

I can't believe how shit the 2000 class of olympians turned out. Everlast from Secondsout.com was saying they would be shit all of 2000, and no one believed him. The shittiest crop of U.S olympians in recent memory.

I wouldn't count out the class of 2004 when making that statement.

[Orthodox Crusader]

no, that was a pretty good fight for Calzaghe. Come on Orthodox, where's the sense of humor? Did he not come out to play today?:lol:

What about a hometown call for stopping the Manfredo fight?:tease:



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"I'm Just So Proud To Be Italian. Its in my pants. My small Penis."


24 hours later...................


OKAY!! OKAY!! I'm a Rican, I'm a fucking Rican!!!
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[Jake]

Hobson would serve himself better by not getting fucking dropped.

Also, Hobson got iced in the rematch.
that he did.

[Orthodox Crusader]

that he did.


Hit him behind the ear, the same punch that almost did for Mickey Ward in Gatti-Ward II.

Ps if you want to keep your eye on a stauesque glass jaw, the best since Herbie Hide, then your man is David Haye.

The stamina of a cheetah, and the jaw of mosquito.

[Alabama_Man]

I wouldn't count out the class of 2004 when making that statement.

We'll see soon enough. Ward can't fight 6 rounders for the rest of his life. Dirrel has potential. Vanes Martirosyan is a solid prospect too. But other than those guys, the 2004 U.S class doesn't strike me as exceptionally strong.

[Father of Muzse]

We'll see soon enough. Ward can't fight 6 rounders for the rest of his life. Dirrel has potential. Vanes Martirosyan is a solid prospect too. But other than those guys, the 2004 U.S class doesn't strike me as exceptionally strong.

I saw Vanes get knocked down by a scrub in his last fight. he got up and knocked out that scrub in the same round..

"however"

There was no reason he should have gone down in the first place.

Vanes will be Omar Sheika AT BEST.

Anthony Dirrell has more potential than his brother. Andre's a bum.

[Jake]

Hit him behind the ear, the same punch that almost did for Mickey Ward in Gatti-Ward II.

Ps if you want to keep your eye on a stauesque glass jaw, the best since Herbie Hide, then your man is David Haye.

The stamina of a cheetah, and the jaw of mosquito.
i've seen Haye a couple of times. Suspected that about his chin, but wasn't quite sure. A shame, because dude LOOKS like the poster-perfect fighter. Still, should be able to milk his way to a big payday before gettin' got.

[ElTerriblee]

Hit him behind the ear, the same punch that almost did for Mickey Ward in Gatti-Ward II.

Ps if you want to keep your eye on a stauesque glass jaw, the best since Herbie Hide, then your man is David Haye.

The stamina of a cheetah, and the jaw of mosquito.

..and the power of a rhino. :lol: