LORENZO: ?PAVLIK AND ME WOULD BE A WAR?

[cupey alto]

NEW YORK, NY (May 24, 2007) – World Middleweight Champion Jermain Taylor remains on the top of undefeated middleweight contender Giovanni Lorenzo’s wish list, but there is another fighter that he would like to challenge: Kelly Pavlik.

http://fightbeat.com/news_details.php?NW=1801

[Orthodox Crusader]

NEW YORK, NY (May 24, 2007) – World Middleweight Champion Jermain Taylor remains on the top of undefeated middleweight contender Giovanni Lorenzo’s wish list, but there is another fighter that he would like to challenge: Kelly Pavlik.

http://fightbeat.com/news_details.php?NW=1801


Marvellous. Another bum in the finest traditions of Paul Pauli Peter Vinny Gino Maddalone Malinaggi.

When is Duddy going to kick the shit out of Lorenzo? When is the next available St Patricks Day???

[Jake]

Cameron Dunkin and I were talking about who Pavlik might have to fight for the soon to be vacant WBC title. Lorenzo's name was the first one I mentioned, and makes the most sense stateside. the only fighter in the way would be some Armenian cat (forget his name), who is ranked #3 or 4. Lorenzo is #5, Pavlik is #1, Miranda is #2 for the moment but will drop. Winky is either 3 or 4 (whatever rank the Armenian isn't), but is fighting at 170 in his next fight.

Pavlik-Lorenzo would be a great HBO fight for however long it lasts, though it wouldn't be for very long

[Orthodox Crusader]

Cameron Dunkin and I were talking about who Pavlik might have to fight for the soon to be vacant WBC title. Lorenzo's name was the first one I mentioned, and makes the most sense stateside. the only fighter in the way would be some Armenian cat (forget his name), who is ranked #3 or 4. Lorenzo is #5, Pavlik is #1, Miranda is #2 for the moment but will drop. Winky is either 3 or 4 (whatever rank the Armenian isn't), but is fighting at 170 in his next fight.

Pavlik-Lorenzo would be a great HBO fight for however long it lasts, though it wouldn't be for very long

Its real simple Jake.

There's Arthur Abraham.

And then there's everybody else.


http://www.boxen.com/upload/Arthur_Abraham.jpg

[Jake]

no, not him. I'm talking about fighters ranked by the WBC. Arthur is the IBF titlist.

Khoren Gevorgyan is the guy's name

[Orthodox Crusader]

no, not him. I'm talking about fighters ranked by the WBC. Arthur is the IBF titlist.

Khoren Gevorgyan is the guy's name


I know:doh:

What I'm saying is that Arthur is THE Armenian.:clap: :clap:

PS whatever happened to the great unpronounceable, Mger Mgerthciakainananan or whatever. Joe Cal gave him a beating......and since??:dunno: :dunno:

[ElTerriblee]

Cameron Dunkin and I were talking about who Pavlik might have to fight for the soon to be vacant WBC title. Lorenzo's name was the first one I mentioned, and makes the most sense stateside. the only fighter in the way would be some Armenian cat (forget his name), who is ranked #3 or 4. Lorenzo is #5, Pavlik is #1, Miranda is #2 for the moment but will drop. Winky is either 3 or 4 (whatever rank the Armenian isn't), but is fighting at 170 in his next fight.

Pavlik-Lorenzo would be a great HBO fight for however long it lasts, though it wouldn't be for very long

Khoren Gevor. Interesting. He´s also the WBO mandatory. Universum probably wants Taylor to be stripped. It worked with Sturm and the WBA. By the looks of the WBO ranking. Pantera #1, Winky #3, Pavlik #4, Sturm #7, Gevor could be looking at guys like Gary Lockett (?) or Joey Gilbert (??????????).

By the way latest on Abraham is he wants the rematch with Miranda in August, big open air fight in Berlin and then his next bout to be in America in November. Though I have my doubts Miranda will ever make 160 again.

[Jake]

what a shock, he calls him out now that Miranda is all but ruined. :lol:

somewhere in Vegas, Ricky Hatton is shedding a tear yelling "Atta boy, Artie!"

[ElTerriblee]

what a shock, he calls him out now that Miranda is all but ruined. :lol:

somewhere in Vegas, Ricky Hatton is shedding a tear yelling "Atta boy, Artie!"

The other way around. Abraham ruined Miranda´s confidence. Pavlik is the guy taking on Clubber and Drago after Rocky took their best shot and their confidence. If they ever did a spin-off with Clubber or Drago, that´s where Pavlik would be, beating up broken fighters. :stir: :stir:

[*Z*]

The other way around. Abraham ruined Miranda´s confidence. Pavlik is the guy taking on Clubber and Drago after Rocky took their best shot and their confidence. If they ever did a spin-off with Clubber or Drago, that´s where Pavlik would be, beating up broken fighters. :stir: :stir:

I am going to laugh my ass off when Miranda beat Abraham in the rematch.

[jarhead]

Cameron Dunkin and I were talking about who Pavlik might have to fight for the soon to be vacant WBC title. Lorenzo's name was the first one I mentioned, and makes the most sense stateside. the only fighter in the way would be some Armenian cat (forget his name), who is ranked #3 or 4. Lorenzo is #5, Pavlik is #1, Miranda is #2 for the moment but will drop. Winky is either 3 or 4 (whatever rank the Armenian isn't), but is fighting at 170 in his next fight.

Pavlik-Lorenzo would be a great HBO fight for however long it lasts, though it wouldn't be for very long

I was thinking about this the other day. I figured that Taylor would be stripped soon, so the vacancy came to mind. Never gave Lorenzo much thought. Only seen him fight once. Cant spell the dude's name, Archak or some shit, the shark attack. He looked okay though. It would most likely be a war with a good tko/ko. If HBO was smart, they would put it on the Taylor/Calzaghe undercard.:popcorn:

[Orthodox Crusader]

Khoren Gevor. Interesting. He´s also the WBO mandatory. Universum probably wants Taylor to be stripped. It worked with Sturm and the WBA. By the looks of the WBO ranking. Pantera #1, Winky #3, Pavlik #4, Sturm #7, Gevor could be looking at guys like Gary Lockett (?) or Joey Gilbert (??????????).

By the way latest on Abraham is he wants the rematch with Miranda in August, big open air fight in Berlin and then his next bout to be in America in November. Though I have my doubts Miranda will ever make 160 again.


The Germans know how to put a show on.

Abraham will never see 160 again....bottom line is that guy HADN'T a PICK on him on Saturday night and he couldn't make 160. He was weight drained, and the Pavlikkers know it.

[*Z*]

The Germans know how to put a show on.

Abraham will never see 160 again....bottom line is that guy HADN'T a PICK on him on Saturday night and he couldn't make 160. He was weight drained, and the Pavlikkers know it.

If that's the case, then good. He deserved the beating for picking on "smaller" guys.

Even though Pavlik probably has just as hard a time making 160. The dude is 6' 3".

[Orthodox Crusader]

what a shock, he calls him out now that Miranda is all but ruined. :lol:

somewhere in Vegas, Ricky Hatton is shedding a tear yelling "Atta boy, Artie!"


What are you talking about? He already fought and beat the bastard:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

[Orthodox Crusader]

The other way around. Abraham ruined Miranda´s confidence. Pavlik is the guy taking on Clubber and Drago after Rocky took their best shot and their confidence. If they ever did a spin-off with Clubber or Drago, that´s where Pavlik would be, beating up broken fighters. :stir: :stir:

I don't know man.......it can't be good for your head to be chasing a guy with a broken jaw around a ring and falling further and further behind...:notallthere:

[KaukipRrr]

The Germans know how to put a show on.

Abraham will never see 160 again....bottom line is that guy HADN'T a PICK on him on Saturday night and he couldn't make 160. He was weight drained, and the Pavlikkers know it.

Bullshit, that's the most common excuse, and the most common action to occur after an arsewhipping, they move up in weight to turn a new leaf, Mitchell did it after the Tszyu rematch, Zab did it after Tszyu, Spinks did it after Zab, Karmazin did it after Spinks, Adamek is planning to go to cruiserweight coz he was 'weight drained' for Dawson :rolleyes: ,..the list goes on and on,..Danny Green did it after Mundine,..etc etc,..eeeeeeevery loser is weight drained,..:rolleyes: and every loser has some excuse.

[ILLUMINATI]

Bullshit, that's the most common excuse, and the most common action to occur after an arsewhipping, they move up in weight to turn a new leaf, Mitchell did it after the Tszyu rematch, Zab did it after Tszyu, Spinks did it after Zab, Karmazin did it after Spinks, Adamek is planning to go to cruiserweight coz he was 'weight drained' for Dawson :rolleyes: ,..the list goes on and on,..Danny Green did it after Mundine,..etc etc,..eeeeeeevery loser is weight drained,..:rolleyes: and every loser has some excuse.

Maybe Kostya should've moved up after the Vince Phillips fight....Ohh thats right he couldn't...Trinidad, Quartey, Whitaker were the champs at 147, and KOstya would get destroy be all of them...:popcorn::popcorn:


***If Miranda was struggling to make weight. killing his body to do so. He sure as hell TALK ALOT of shit months, weeks, days, hours before the fight so he was confident he could do it......moving up to 167 won't help, Calslappy and Kessler will give him hell...shit even Mundine could outbox him...LACY vs. MIRANDA would be FUN though..

[Tam Tam]

Mundine would knock Miranda out. He wouldn't need to "outbox" him.

[Rubio MHS]

Maybe Kostya should've moved up after the Vince Phillips fight....Ohh thats right he couldn't...Trinidad, Quartey, Whitaker were the champs at 147, and KOstya would get destroy be all of them...In 1998, when he was making his comeback, he would've totalled Whitaker.

[KaukipRrr]

Maybe Kostya should've moved up after the Vince Phillips fight....Ohh thats right he couldn't...Trinidad, Quartey, Whitaker were the champs at 147, and KOstya would get destroy be all of them...:popcorn::popcorn:


***If Miranda was struggling to make weight. killing his body to do so. He sure as hell TALK ALOT of shit months, weeks, days, hours before the fight so he was confident he could do it......moving up to 167 won't help, Calslappy and Kessler will give him hell...shit even Mundine could outbox him...LACY vs. MIRANDA would be FUN though..

Nope, Kostya was a genuine jr welterweight, he started in his correct weight class, he wasn't a middleweight bullying smaller fighters while his body could handle it, aka 'multi division champions',...:eeeek: I even heard rumours that Cotto is now struggling to make 147!!,...:eeeek: just how big is he, how much more is he hiding Illuminati?..

[ILLUMINATI]

Nope, Kostya was a genuine jr welterweight, he started in his correct weight class, he wasn't a middleweight bullying smaller fighters while his body could handle it, aka 'multi division champions',...:eeeek: I even heard rumours that Cotto is now struggling to make 147!!,...:eeeek: just how big is he, how much more is he hiding Illuminati?..

Cotto was 153 or 154 in May 9-10....struggling no...Kostya knew his limitations...couldn't move up cause 147 was packed....

[Haymaker]

Its real simple Jake.

There's Arthur Abraham.

And then there's everybody else.


http://www.boxen.com/upload/Arthur_Abraham.jpg

This bum have a poor resume

[ArturoGatti]

no, not him. I'm talking about fighters ranked by the WBC. Arthur is the IBF titlist.

Khoren Gevorgyan is the guy's nameIs his nickname "The Kavorkian"?

OC, if AA is THE Armenian, then how come he represents Germany? :dunno:

[Jake]

Maybe Kostya should've moved up after the Vince Phillips fight....Ohh thats right he couldn't...Trinidad, Quartey, Whitaker were the champs at 147, and KOstya would get destroy be all of them...:popcorn::popcorn:


***If Miranda was struggling to make weight. killing his body to do so. He sure as hell TALK ALOT of shit months, weeks, days, hours before the fight so he was confident he could do it......moving up to 167 won't help, Calslappy and Kessler will give him hell...shit even Mundine could outbox him...LACY vs. MIRANDA would be FUN though..
Whitaker "lost" to DLH before Kostya lost to Phillips. Pernell's only other fight that year was that atrocity of an affair w/ Andrei Pestriav. Pernell stunk out the joint en route to a split decision (capped by Pestriav's promoter flipping out over a WBA master score sheet that greater resembled a scribble pad :lol: ), then spent 1998 rehabbing.

Ike fought JL Lopez that same night, then after his fight w/ Whitaker was scrapped, also spent all of 1998 without once entering a prize fight.

Considering that James Page found a way to scoop up a title that year (against Pestriav), I'd like to believe that Kostya could've weaved his way to the top as well, if he wanted to.

[Jake]

Is his nickname "The Kavorkian"?

OC, if AA is THE Armenian, then how come he represents Germany? :dunno:
:lol: , even as bad of a joke as it is. But I thought the same thing when looking up his name.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Mundine would knock Miranda out. He wouldn't need to "outbox" him.

MUNDINE HAS NO CHIN.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Is his nickname "The Kavorkian"?

OC, if AA is THE Armenian, then how come he represents Germany? :dunno:


If Felix Sturm is a Bosniak, and Stipe Drews is an Ustashe, then how come they both represent Germany??

If Sinan Samil Sam is a Turk, how come he represents.....Germany...with Turkish flags in attendance??

If Vanes Martirosyan is an American, why does he have an Armenian name and Armenian nationality??http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanes_Martirosyan

:dunno:

Abraham has a German passport btw

[ArturoGatti]

If Felix Sturm is a Bosniak, and Stipe Drews is an Ustashe, then how come they both represent Germany??

If Sinan Samil Sam is a Turk, how come he represents.....Germany...with Turkish flags in attendance??

If Vanes Martirosyan is an American, why does he have an Armenian name and Armenian nationality??http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanes_Martirosyan

:dunno:

Abraham has a German passport btwThey're not real Bosniaks, ustashe, or Armenians?:dunno:

[jarhead]

If Felix Sturm is a Bosniak, and Stipe Drews is an Ustashe, then how come they both represent Germany??

If Sinan Samil Sam is a Turk, how come he represents.....Germany...with Turkish flags in attendance??

If Vanes Martirosyan is an American, why does he have an Armenian name and Armenian nationality??http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanes_Martirosyan

:dunno:

Abraham has a German passport btw

Because they all get hometown decisions in Germany?:dunno:

[ArturoGatti]

Because they all get hometown decisions in Germany?:dunno::lol:


Stipe Drews is such a ridiculous name, though. :lol:

[jarhead]

have you ever seen him fight? that's pretty rediculous as well:lol:

Cracked anymore mofo's with pool sticks Gatti?

[Orthodox Crusader]

Because they all get hometown decisions in Germany?:dunno:

Where else would they get hometown decisions?

Only American fighters can still get their hometown decisions outside of America.

[jarhead]

Where else would they get hometown decisions?

Only American fighters can still get their hometown decisions outside of America.


:lol: whatever man:lol:

You know as well as I do, Germany takes the cake on hometown decisions:tease:

[*Z*]

:lol: whatever man:lol:

You know as well as I do, Germany takes the cake on hometown decisions:tease:

I've never see a fighter literally have to knock a guy out twice to win a fight in the US. Brewster had to KO Krasniqi twice to win in Germany.

[jarhead]

I've never see a fighter literally have to knock a guy out twice to win a fight in the US. Brewster had to KO Krasniqi twice to win in Germany.

GREAT EXAMPLE!!!!:bears:

Lets not even bring up Ottke.

[ArturoGatti]

have you ever seen him fight? that's pretty rediculous as well:lol:

Cracked anymore mofo's with pool sticks Gatti?you better believe it. :warning:

[jarhead]

you better believe it. :warning:

Gatti throws back a few Molson Ice longnecks and its curtains for all y'all muthafuckas! If ya don't know, now ya know:nono:

[ArturoGatti]

:lol:

[jarhead]

:lol:

are you getting UFC 71?

[ArturoGatti]

are you getting UFC 71?No, I will go to a bar to watch it. Karo/Burkman should be a good fight, as should Salaverry/Maqrtin.

[jarhead]

No, I will go to a bar to watch it. Karo/Burkman should be a good fight, as should Salaverry/Maqrtin.

same here, should be a great card top to bottom with a must see main event, take heed Lou Dibella/Bob Arum/Golden Boy:doh:

[Orthodox Crusader]

No, I will go to a bar to watch it. Karo/Burkman should be a good fight, as should Salaverry/Maqrtin.

The fighters don't even have proper names in UFC.:rolleyes:

[KaukipRrr]

I've never see a fighter literally have to knock a guy out twice to win a fight in the US. Brewster had to KO Krasniqi twice to win in Germany.

Danny Green / Markus Beyer 1, truelly raised the bar, I almost quit watching boxing after I saw what they were able to get away with, it made me fucken sick, I'm not anti-European, but I have no problem with anyone who says "Don't go to Germany" , the Universum officiating isn't quite as bad, probably 'Puerto Rico' level, biased and mildly rigged in favour of the house fighter, but Wilfried Sauerland's events, fucken forget it, if he doesn't want you to win, he'll reverse it on the spot, infront of the cameras, all by himself, I can't stand that motherfucker, I hope those nazi goons he hired to beat up those Turks on his rivals Universum card, take turns crushing thier fists into his skull over a pay dispute for the hit.

[jarhead]

Danny Green / Markus Beyer 1, truelly raised the bar, I almost quit watching boxing after I saw what they were able to get away with, it made me fucken sick, I'm not anti-European, but I have no problem with anyone who says "Don't go to Germany" , the Universum officiating isn't quite as bad, probably 'Puerto Rico' level, biased and mildly rigged in favour of the house fighter, but Wilfried Sauerland's events, fucken forget it, if he doesn't want you to win, he'll reverse it on the spot, infront of the cameras, all by himself, I can't stand that motherfucker, I hope those nazi goons he hired to beat up those Turks on his rivals Universum card, take turns crushing thier fists into his skull over a pay dispute for the hit.

seriously Kauki, tell us how you reall feel:lol:

did he really hire some nazi goons to fuck up some Turks on a Universum card or you just playin?:dunno: :eeeek:

[KaukipRrr]

seriously Kauki, tell us how you reall feel:lol:

did he really hire some nazi goons to fuck up some Turks on a Universum card or you just playin?:dunno: :eeeek:

:crafty: Well,.......... those Turkish promoters apparently attended one of his events and initially sniffed around his stable that reportedly had him going absolutely ape-shit, Sauerland will already be riled and threatened by yet another big promotional company opening up in Germany, afterall, it means he'll have to pay his fighters MORE in order to keep them, throw in the fact that his rivals are Turks and that.....:crafty: probably adds an angering edge to the equation when your a blatant immoral corrupt motherfucker with lots of money, he's probably a bit ''ethnically tense'' :crafty: , so muscle-bound Nazi's are his perfect brand of henchman for the trick. 'Somebody' is obviously responsible for those goons, and what better way to unleasche them on universum's stage, causing a ruckus on his biggest domestic competitor's card, AND on it's particular extravagant milestone of 250 events, have all the memories and headlines finger pointing at Klaus Peter Kohl on what was supposed to be a celebrated occasion, instead the newspapers read "Kohl hires racist goons to beat people up at his shows!",..it's clear to see the oppurtune moment inwhich to execute this tactical plan in retrospect of "killing two birds with one stone"...you know as it is, on it's own, without the structured planning in mind, it seems to serve most beneficially to Sauerland's interests, and what a fantastic coincidence that is :crafty:.

[jarhead]

:crafty: Well,.......... those Turkish promoters apparently attended one of his events and initially sniffed around his stable that reportedly had him going absolutely ape-shit, Sauerland will already be riled and threatened by yet another big promotional company opening up in Germany, afterall, it means he'll have to pay his fighters MORE in order to keep them, throw in the fact that his rivals are Turks and that.....:crafty: probably adds an angering edge to the equation when your a blatant immoral corrupt motherfucker with lots of money, he's probably a bit ''ethnically tense'' :crafty: , so muscle-bound Nazi's are his perfect brand of henchman for the trick. 'Somebody' is obviously responsible for those goons, and what better way to unleasche them on universum's stage, causing a ruckus on his biggest domestic competitor's card, AND on it's particular extravagant milestone of 250 events, have all the memories and headlines finger pointing at Klaus Peter Kohl on what was supposed to be a celebrated occasion, instead the newspapers read "Kohl hires racist goons to beat people up at his shows!",..it's clear to see the oppurtune moment inwhich to execute this tactical plan in retrospect of "killing two birds with one stone"...you know as it is, on it's own, without the structured planning in mind, it seems to serve most beneficially to Sauerland's interests, and what a fantastic coincidence that is :crafty:.

Man it is hard to comprehend shit from your posts:lol:

so Universum had a party, some racist goons broke it up and trashed it because they are Turks. You think Sauerland hired them because they would gain the most out of Universum disbanding. The part I didn't get is who is Kohl?:dunno:

[Orthodox Crusader]

:crafty: Well,.......... those Turkish promoters apparently attended one of his events and initially sniffed around his stable that reportedly had him going absolutely ape-shit, Sauerland will already be riled and threatened by yet another big promotional company opening up in Germany, afterall, it means he'll have to pay his fighters MORE in order to keep them, throw in the fact that his rivals are Turks and that.....:crafty: probably adds an angering edge to the equation when your a blatant immoral corrupt motherfucker with lots of money, he's probably a bit ''ethnically tense'' :crafty: , so muscle-bound Nazi's are his perfect brand of henchman for the trick. 'Somebody' is obviously responsible for those goons, and what better way to unleasche them on universum's stage, causing a ruckus on his biggest domestic competitor's card, AND on it's particular extravagant milestone of 250 events, have all the memories and headlines finger pointing at Klaus Peter Kohl on what was supposed to be a celebrated occasion, instead the newspapers read "Kohl hires racist goons to beat people up at his shows!",..it's clear to see the oppurtune moment inwhich to execute this tactical plan in retrospect of "killing two birds with one stone"...you know as it is, on it's own, without the structured planning in mind, it seems to serve most beneficially to Sauerland's interests, and what a fantastic coincidence that is :crafty:.


Turks, real low class. Nazis, just a little bit lower. Let them at it I say.

[KaukipRrr]

Turks, real low class. Nazis, just a little bit lower. Let them at it I say.

:crafty: But I thought Nazi's were great christian cruisaders?