Enlighten us, Who was Sugar Ray Seales

[ILLUMINATI]

All you boxing historian here..:rolleyes:....and don't come with some boxrec bullshit.

Did he win an olympic gold medal?
Was he any good?
What was his style? Who of todays fighter have a similar style?
How were his fights against Hagler, Minter, and other good boxer he fought?

and other info...you...enlighten the people here that have never seen him fight....

[REEDsART]

All you boxing historian here..:rolleyes:....and don't come with some boxrec bullshit.

Did he win an olympic gold medal?
Was he any good?
What was his style? Who of todays fighter have a similar style?
How were his fights against Hagler, Minter, and other good boxer he fought?

and other info...you...enlighten the people here that have never seen him fight....REED Knows Seales was a '72 Olympian...REED is Pretty Sure he DID Win a Gold Medal that Year...

REED was ONE Years Old @ this Time & Honestly Doesn't Remember Much Else about Seales,Except the Fact that he Went BLIND & Hagler WHIPPED his Ass...If REED Isn't Mistaken,Seales Continued to Fight even AFTER Losing his Sight...

He was a TALLER Fighter than Most of his Opposition...

Hope that Helps...


REED:dunno:

[ILLUMINATI]

:bears:that helps...just trying to learn more..about past fighter...NOT the usual great fighter that everyone already know about....

[ILLUMINATI]

rubio...any input...? you are the master boxer historian.....

Stinger..you are old enough...:popcorn:to have seen some Seales...:tease:

[Rubio MHS]

He won an Olympic Gold Medal. He was good, but his problem is that he tried to jump up in weight before he was ready. At 6-foot-plus, he was a terror at welterweight, but at middleweight, he was just another fighter. He fought Marvin Hagler three times, and drew once, I think.

[Tam Tam]

Seales biggest problem was timing. He was a good fighter, surrounded by great ones.

He also had a suspect beard. Another day and who knows.

[StingerKarl]

I knew Ray and his half-brother, Dale Grant, who was a national amateur champion as well.
Ray was a tall, lanky southpaw, albeit a bit on the awkward side.
He was going very well as a pro until he met the fearsome Eugene "Cyclone" Hart on the Friday Night Fights that featured commentary by Don Dunphy.
Hart was on one of his hot nights (meaning that he actually trained for this one) and beat the hell out of Seales, dropping him and winning virtually every round.
I can't recall if this was before or after the Hagler loss, but in a return go with Marvin, Ray won the fight but it was scored a draw.
A winning streak followed and then he was matched with Alan Minter and was knocked out in the 5th I beleive in a very brutal fight that saw him raise a lump the size of an egg on Minter's forehead before succumbing to the English terror, and then he was totally outboxed and outmanuevered by lightning quick fellow Olympic Gold Medalist Ronnie Harris at the Garden, losing every round.
Another streak and then he was matched against Hagler and was destroyed in one ound in a title eliminator.
Ray also lost to Doug Davison and James Shuler later.
Ray suffered from poor management, and I don't think he was a terribly bright fellow, either.
I can't recall him beating any real big names, and he did the majority of his fighting in tank towns for basically chump change.
I think his best performance was a win over the hard hitting John Locicero, and he had a big KO of Tap Harris, who was a pretty good kid back then.
I liked him though as he came in during one of the middleweight division's toughest times.
I would say that he was our best amateur of the first few years of the 70's decade though, a claim I think few historians would dispute.
Karl

[Orthodox Crusader]

.REED was ONE Years Old @ this Time & Honestly Doesn't Remember Much Else about Seales,Except the Fact that he Went BLIND & Hagler WHIPPED his Ass.REED:dunno:

A poor attempt to dress Floyds opposition up as being something special:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

[Azazel]

I have an old boxing mag with an article on Sugar Ray Seales, I'll try to find it and scan it.

[StingerKarl]

http://search.tpl.lib.wa.us/images2/19/t4/15562.jpg

[Orthodox Crusader]

I knew Ray and his half-brother, Dale Grant, who was a national amateur champion as well.
Ray was a tall, lanky southpaw, albeit a bit on the awkward side.
He was going very well as a pro until he met the fearsome Eugene "Cyclone" Hart on the Friday Night Fights that featured commentary by Don Dunphy.
Hart was on one of his hot nights (meaning that he actually trained for this one) and beat the hell out of Seales, dropping him and winning virtually every round.
I can't recall if this was before or after the Hagler loss, but in a return go with Marvin, Ray won the fight but it was scored a draw.
A winning streak followed and then he was matched with Alan Minter and was knocked out in the 5th I beleive in a very brutal fight that saw him raise a lump the size of an egg on Minter's forehead before succumbing to the English terror, and then he was totally outboxed and outmanuevered by lightning quick fellow Olympic Gold Medalist Ronnie Harris at the Garden, losing every round.
Another streak and then he was matched against Hagler and was destroyed in one ound in a title eliminator.
Ray also lost to Doug Davison and James Shuler later.
Ray suffered from poor management, and I don't think he was a terribly bright fellow, either.
I can't recall him beating any real big names, and he did the majority of his fighting in tank towns for basically chump change.
I think his best performance was a win over the hard hitting John Locicero, and he had a big KO of Tap Harris, who was a pretty good kid back then.
I liked him though as he came in during one of the middleweight division's toughest times.
I would say that he was our best amateur of the first few years of the 70's decade though, a claim I think few historians would dispute.
Karl



Karl.....how good was Minter, in your opinion?

[Nobleart]

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-13159482790260_1949_4787124

[StingerKarl]

Karl.....how good was Minter, in your opinion?

Dude, my son is named after Alan Minter.
That give you an indication?
IMO the most underrated middleweight ever.
Minter was never "knocked out" as his stoppages were all due to eye cuts.
A consummate boxer/puncher that liked a fight, "Rocky" as he was known in England, was a terrific fighter.

[jarhead]

great stuff guys, some good shit on this board:bears:

I am from the Pacific Northwest. Seales was one of my dad's favorite fighters, mainly because he was a local boy. Pops always said how badass he was as a WW, but he just didn't carry his power with him to MW. I actually have a program/flyer at home with all my boxing shit. Seales was the first pro fight I ever watched. I saw him KO a cat in Seattle in 1978, I should remember the dude's name, but it slips me. I want to say Sam Something. I was just a kid though. Just under 5 years old actually. I don't remember much, but I do remember the event. Karl's right, my dad said he was a good boxer, but not too smart. No education at all practically. Promoters and management fucked him pretty hard. Typical story of boxing's yesteryear.

[StingerKarl]

great stuff guys, some good shit on this board:bears:

I am from the Pacific Northwest. Seales was one of my dad's favorite fighters, mainly because he was a local boy. Pops always said how badass he was as a WW, but he just didn't carry his power with him to MW. I actually have a program/flyer at home with all my boxing shit. Seales was the first pro fight I ever watched. I saw him KO a cat in Seattle in 1978, I should remember the dude's name, but it slips me. I want to say Sam Something. I was just a kid though. Just under 5 years old actually. I don't remember much, but I do remember the event. Karl's right, my dad said he was a good boxer, but not too smart. No education at all practically. Promoters and management fucked him pretty hard. Typical story of boxing's yesteryear.

You dad is correct, jarhead.
I spoke with him once, or tried to when I was a kid, and he was very strange.
It seemed as if he was in his own world mentally, not articulate at all, and downright weird.

[Erratic]

Did people get mad that he used the name "Sugar Ray"? I heard people were mad at Leonard for using it.

[jarhead]

You dad is correct, jarhead.
I spoke with him once, or tried to when I was a kid, and he was very strange.
It seemed as if he was in his own world mentally, not articulate at all, and downright weird.

My dad said something similar. He said he reminded him of being autistic(sp?).

[Nobleart]

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-13159482790260_1949_6129530

[jarhead]

Did people get mad that he used the name "Sugar Ray"? I heard people were mad at Leonard for using it.

From what I was told, there was backlash on the national level, but locally people just loved him.

[REEDsART]

A poor attempt to dress Floyds opposition up as being something special:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:Huh???:dunno:

T.W.I???....TYPING while Intoxicated???...


REED :dunno:

[jarhead]

Huh???:dunno:

T.W.I???....TYPING while Intoxicated???...


REED :dunno:

I read Orthodox's post and just thought it was an inside joke between the two of you:lol:

Seriously Orthodox? What the fuck are you talking about in theat post?:dunno:

[ILLUMINATI]

COOL....thanx to all...good info. I never seen him fight...but i remember his name on a few of the boxing magazines...so thought i'll ask the board...:popcorn::bears:

[ILLUMINATI]

I knew Ray and his half-brother, Dale Grant, who was a national amateur champion as well.
Ray was a tall, lanky southpaw, albeit a bit on the awkward side.
He was going very well as a pro until he met the fearsome Eugene "Cyclone" Hart on the Friday Night Fights that featured commentary by Don Dunphy.
Hart was on one of his hot nights (meaning that he actually trained for this one) and beat the hell out of Seales, dropping him and winning virtually every round.
I can't recall if this was before or after the Hagler loss, but in a return go with Marvin, Ray won the fight but it was scored a draw.
A winning streak followed and then he was matched with Alan Minter and was knocked out in the 5th I beleive in a very brutal fight that saw him raise a lump the size of an egg on Minter's forehead before succumbing to the English terror, and then he was totally outboxed and outmanuevered by lightning quick fellow Olympic Gold Medalist Ronnie Harris at the Garden, losing every round.
Another streak and then he was matched against Hagler and was destroyed in one ound in a title eliminator.
Ray also lost to Doug Davison and James Shuler later.
Ray suffered from poor management, and I don't think he was a terribly bright fellow, either.
I can't recall him beating any real big names, and he did the majority of his fighting in tank towns for basically chump change.
I think his best performance was a win over the hard hitting John Locicero, and he had a big KO of Tap Harris, who was a pretty good kid back then.
I liked him though as he came in during one of the middleweight division's toughest times.
I would say that he was our best amateur of the first few years of the 70's decade though, a claim I think few historians would dispute.
Karl

:clap:

[jarhead]

COOL....thanx to all...good info. I never seen him fight...but i remember his name on a few of the boxing magazines...so thought i'll ask the board...:popcorn::bears:

I usually don't know shit, you probably asked about one of the only guys from the Pacific Northwest.:lol: Ask me anything you want to know about Greg Haugen! :laughing:

[Rubio MHS]

A poor attempt to dress Floyds opposition up as being something special:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:Yeah, that Marvin Hagler sucked. Floyd kicked his butt, and the decision wasn't controversial.

[ILLUMINATI]

I usually don't know shit, you probably asked about one of the only guys from the Pacific Northwest.:lol: Ask me anything you want to know about Greg Haugen! :laughing:

Did he always talk shit? Or was it only for the Chavez fight? If you gonna talk shit do it to Camacho or Pazienza..but Chavez? It's murder....What was the expert thinking before the fight against Chavez did they gave him any kind of chance?

[Rubio MHS]

Did he always talk shit? Or was it only for the Chavez fight? If you gonna talk shit do it to Camacho or Pazienza..but Chavez? It's murder....What was the expert thinking before the fight against Chavez did they gave him any kind of chance?Um, setting a record for indoor attendance, maybe?

[ILLUMINATI]

Um, setting a record for indoor attendance, maybe?

:nono:Chavez didn't think so....he was "really" punishing Haugen..every time the ref got close to stoping it..Chavez would pull back and stop hitting Haugen...

[Rubio MHS]

The fight made a shitload of money. It made Haugen a household name in America and Mexico. Fighters actually don't mind taking a few hits if it makes them money. Except for Ricardo Lopez, of course.

[ILLUMINATI]

The fight made a shitload of money. It made Haugen a household name in America and Mexico. Fighters actually don't mind taking a few hits if it makes them money. Except for Ricardo Lopez, of course.

I though he was already a household name in the 80 fighting Pazienza, Camacho and Whitaker......Wasn't he on his way down by the time Chavez got to him???

[Rubio MHS]

That's the whole point. If he hadn't pulled that stunt, all they'd have to talk about on Tuesday Night Fights was how he beat Camacho since Camacho didn't touch gloves. If he'd simply gone in there and gotten blown out by Chavez, he wouldn've faded into the sunset. Instead, he made money for years, fighting on cable.

[ILLUMINATI]

That's the whole point. If he hadn't pulled that stunt, all they'd have to talk about on Tuesday Night Fights was how he beat Camacho since Camacho didn't touch gloves. If he'd simply gone in there and gotten blown out by Chavez, he wouldn've faded into the sunset. Instead, he made money for years, fighting on cable.



uahhhhhhhhh....:cheer:what the problem with RICARDO LOPEZ..??

[Rubio MHS]

The way he ran scared from everybody at 108.

[crold1]

Because I just KNOW you'd point out the same mistake in someone else Rub, Chavez-Haugen holds ther record for Boxing's outdoor attendance. Chavez-Whitaker may have been the indoor boxing record; I remember reading it was.

[Orthodox Crusader]

I read Orthodox's post and just thought it was an inside joke between the two of you:lol:

Seriously Orthodox? What the fuck are you talking about in theat post?:dunno:


Nobody doubts Marvin Hagler had a great resume. But if even Hagler fought blind guys, then, shit, Floyd must have the greatest resume of all time.

[ILLUMINATI]

Because I just KNOW you'd point out the same mistake in someone else Rub, Chavez-Haugen holds ther record for Boxing's outdoor attendance. Chavez-Whitaker may have been the indoor boxing record; I remember reading it was.

:lol:

[Rubio MHS]

Because I just KNOW you'd point out the same mistake in someone else Rub, Chavez-Haugen holds ther record for Boxing's outdoor attendance. Chavez-Whitaker may have been the indoor boxing record; I remember reading it was.It's debatable, and I knew that when I posted it. In general, a sports event inside a stadium, like Azteca Stadium, is considered an "indoor" event, and a sports event like the Daytona 500, which doesn't take place in a stadium and doesn't charge admittance, isn't.

But there are other distinctions as well. An "indoor" record in track must take place somewhere that has a permanent roof.