MMA/UFC Newbie...

[REEDsART]

REED Knows VERY LITTLE about Mixed Martial Arts...Just the "Mainstream" Guys like Liddell,Tito Ortiz,Bob Sapp,Matt Hughes,etc...

REED Saw a Guy Named Ernesto Hoost Beat the Living Shit Out of Sapp 1nce....

Couple Questions...

1. What Differentiates Pride,UFC,MMA???...Is 1 SIGNIFICANTLY Better than the Other???...

2. Is there some Sort of MMA/UFC Lb 4 Lb List???...

It's Become APPARENT to REED that he Needs to Pay MORE Attention to this Sport...As Such,REED Wants to Know who the BEST Guys R,so he can Check them Out...



REED:cool:

[Bob N Weave]

REED Knows VERY LITTLE about Mixed Martial Arts...Just the "Mainstream" Guys like Liddell,Tito Ortiz,Bob Sapp,Matt Hughes,etc...

REED Saw a Guy Named Ernesto Hoost Beat the Living Shit Out of Sapp 1nce....

Couple Questions...

1. What Differentiates Pride,UFC,MMA???...Is 1 SIGNIFICANTLY Better than the Other???...

2. Is there some Sort of MMA/UFC Lb 4 Lb List???...

It's Become APPARENT to REED that he Needs to Pay MORE Attention to this Sport...As Such,REED Wants to Know who the BEST Guys R,so he can Check them Out...



REED:cool:

Brother REED. Ernesto Hoost is one bad boy. He was primarily a K1 fighter who pretty much dominated that sport. He was a great striker.

Pride and UFC is where all of the best fighters end up. Pride was recently bought out by UFC. As far af PVP lists go... MMA is a lot more random that boxing is. Fighters seem to be able win/lose on any given night. It is the nature of the beast, since there is so much of a diffenerce in styles in the sport. Not to mention 4 oz gloves. :/

As far as domination goes, the only real DOMINANT figure in the sport is heavyweight Fedor Emelianko. He is undefeated and pretty much the baddest man on the planet. This is mainly because is is a great striker, has a solid chin, and is a submission specialist as well.


I am a boxing fan at heart, but I greatly appreciate what these guys bring to the table as well. There are some baaad boys in MMA.

[REEDsART]

Brother REED. Ernesto Hoost is one bad boy. He was primarily a K1 fighter who pretty much dominated that sport. He was a great striker.

Pride and UFC is where all of the best fighters end up. Pride was recently bought out by UFC. As far af PVP lists go... MMA is a lot more random that boxing is. Fighters seem to be able win/lose on any given night. It is the nature of the beast, since there is so much of a diffenerce in styles in the sport. Not to mention 4 oz gloves. :/

As far as domination goes, the only real DOMINANT figure in the sport is heavyweight Fedor Emelianko. He is undefeated and pretty much the baddest man on the planet. This is mainly because is is a great striker, has a solid chin, and is a submission specialist as well.


I am a boxing fan at heart, but I greatly appreciate what these guys bring to the table as well. There are some baaad boys in MMA.Thanks for the Info...

How Many Fights has Fedor had???...How many KO's???...Has he ver Almost Lost???

What Exactly is "Striking"???...Is that ATTACKING,Basically??...

Again,REED has NO Knowledge of this Sport,so some of his Questions will Probably Sound STUPID....


REED:cool:

[Bob N Weave]

Thanks for the Info...

How Many Fights has Fedor had???...How many KO's???...Has he ver Almost Lost???

What Exactly is "Striking"???...Is that ATTACKING,Basically??...

Again,REED has NO Knowledge of this Sport,so some of his Questions will Probably Sound STUPID....


REED:cool:

Fedor is 27-1. The 1 was bs though. He got cut in the 1st 20 secs of a fight, and they stopped the fight. And since it was a tournament, they gave the other dude the win. Fedor was no where near hurt. I think it was a headbutt too. Fedor destroyed him in a rematch.

The reason I think he is sooo good is that I have seen him in trouble a couple times, and he overcame it to win strong. Go to youtube and see the fedor vs. Randelmann fight. Randelmann souplexed Fedor straight on his head and Fedor came back to kick his ass.

Or in his fight against Fujita, he was rocked BADLY, but kept fighting and ended up flooring Fujita and submitting him.

He is well rounded and TOUGH.

His record is 6 ko's and 14 submissions.

Striking is basically "boxing", or "stand up fighting ". Being able to pop as well as fight on the ground.

And there is no such thing as a stupid question bro! I admite your thirst for knowledge. Who knows, I bet you end up digging it! :cool:

[suiteness]

The cut was from an elbow, which were illegal under RINGS rules. I don't know the story about them declaring Kohsaka the winner. Maybe because it was a tournament final?

[REEDsART]

Fedor is 27-1. The 1 was bs though. He got cut in the 1st 20 secs of a fight, and they stopped the fight. And since it was a tournament, they gave the other dude the win. Fedor was no where near hurt. I think it was a headbutt too. Fedor destroyed him in a rematch.

The reason I think he is sooo good is that I have seen him in trouble a couple times, and he overcame it to win strong. Go to youtube and see the fedor vs. Randelmann fight. Randelmann souplexed Fedor straight on his head and Fedor came back to kick his ass.

Or in his fight against Fujita, he was rocked BADLY, but kept fighting and ended up flooring Fujita and submitting him.

He is well rounded and TOUGH.

His record is 6 ko's and 14 submissions.

Striking is basically "boxing", or "stand up fighting ". Being able to pop as well as fight on the ground.

And there is no such thing as a stupid question bro! I admite your thirst for knowledge. Who knows, I bet you end up digging it! :cool:So Submissions DON'T Count as KO's???...

So 7 of Fedor's Fights went the Distance???...Is it Safe to Say he's the G.O.A.T. of UFC/MMA???...

For REED to Properly Appreciate this Shit,he wants to See THE BEST Guy Out There 1st...


REED:cool:

[REEDsART]

Another Question...

What's THE BEST Possible MMA/UFC Matchup that could B Made Right Now???...

[valdosta]

Fedor is the best ever IMO. As for the best match that can be made who the hell knows. There has been a ton of upsets lately. No UFC title holder currently has more than 1 title defense.

[REEDsART]

What is the SCHEDULED Length of Rounds???...Fights???...

How Many Weight Classes???..What R the Weight Classes??...


REED:dunno:

[valdosta]

What is the SCHEDULED Length of Rounds???...Fights???...

How Many Weight Classes???..What R the Weight Classes??...


REED:dunno:

UFC non title fights are 3, 5 minute rounds

UFC title fights are 5, 5 minutes rounds

Pride fights are 3 rounds. Round 1 is 10 minutes and rounds 2 and 3 are 5 minutes. Regardless of if it's a title fight or not.

Weight classes are. 155,170,185,205 and 205+. Lightweight,Welterweight,middleweight,Light heavyweight and Heavyweight.

[REEDsART]

UFC non title fights are 3, 5 minute rounds

UFC title fights are 5, 5 minutes rounds

Pride fights are 3 rounds. Round 1 is 10 minutes and rounds 2 and 3 are 5 minutes. Regardless of if it's a title fight or not.

Weight classes are. 155,170,185,205 and 205+. Lightweight,Welterweight,middleweight,Light heavyweight and Heavyweight.R there any HUGE Klitschoko,Lennox Lewis Sized Guys N MMA??...

Other than Sapp,that is...
REED:cool:

[Tam Tam]

Tim Sylvia, Semmy Schilt, Dan IsShit...and a bunch of others. Plenty of size around. The UFC heavyweight limit is actually a maximum of 265. So thats 205 TO 265.

Its not unlimited like boxing.

[REEDsART]

Tim Sylvia, Semmy Schilt, Dan IsShit...and a bunch of others. Plenty of size around. The UFC heavyweight limit is actually a maximum of 265. So thats 205 TO 265.

Its not unlimited like boxing.So What??...U CAN'T Compete Weighing 266 or More???...


REED:dunno:

[Azazel]

REED Knows VERY LITTLE about Mixed Martial Arts...Just the "Mainstream" Guys like Liddell,Tito Ortiz,Bob Sapp,Matt Hughes,etc...

REED Saw a Guy Named Ernesto Hoost Beat the Living Shit Out of Sapp 1nce....

Couple Questions...

1. What Differentiates Pride,UFC,MMA???...Is 1 SIGNIFICANTLY Better than the Other???...

2. Is there some Sort of MMA/UFC Lb 4 Lb List???...

It's Become APPARENT to REED that he Needs to Pay MORE Attention to this Sport...As Such,REED Wants to Know who the BEST Guys R,so he can Check them Out...



REED:cool:
ON the top of my head
1. -Pride is in a ring, UFC in in the octogon
-In Pride, you can kick and stomp an opponnent on the ground, knee him behin the head after a failed sprawl, you can't in the UFC.
- Time limit, weight class and scoring are different ( UFC is rbr like in boxing )

2. Of course there is, you can make a lb 4 lb list in basket ball if you want to

Also, to my knowleged, Hoost and Sapp fought in K-1, wich is kind of like Muay Thai, and Sapp won both fight ( even thought it was an horrible stoppage in the 1st ). And, Fedor should have lost on a cut vs Noguiera once, but, as other said, he's probably the GOAT.

[Azazel]

So What??...U CAN'T Compete Weighing 266 or More???...


REED:dunno:
Nah, you can'T in the UFC

[His_Royness]

www.sherdog.com here u can check all fighters records...


oh and UFC and pride are both MMA organisations. MMA just means mixed martial arts so u can basically do everything besides some exceptions that differ a little in every organization...

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Fedor is the Roy Jones of MMA. Guy is the best and it isn't even close.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Reed, I am also primarily a boxing fan but for YEARS ever since UFC 1, I have watched MMA on and off.

I enjoy it, but never as much as a good boxing match (ie Morales Barrera, CHico - Castillo etc).

Partly because I started off in martial arts, and then went to boxing in my late teens.

MMA fights CAN be good, it's quite exciting to have such varying styles matched up together, it's probably even more of an "anything can happen" sport than boxing :)

Sometimes though, it can lead to extremely boring fights, with 2 grapplers, or a grappler and a striker on the ground etc.

I prefer the standup game in MMA, but with the potential of "take downs" for an extra dimension.

Pride have a good policy and that's yellow cards, if fighters are pissing about and the fight is boring, they get issued a yellow card to prompt them to actually fight.

And yes, what they say is true. Fedor is the man, he is the only fighter that you'd comfortably pick over EVERYONE.

He looks like a chubby, slightly baby faced russian, but he is a fucking fighting machine, honestly. He is extremely tough, with an extremely well rounded game.

Check out his fight against randleman, that's impressive.

Also check out his fight with this HUGE guy called zinouzoulu or something :lol:

I used to like Gomi, but he's not all that. Fedor is the best.

[ArturoGatti]

REED Knows VERY LITTLE about Mixed Martial Arts...Just the "Mainstream" Guys like Liddell,Tito Ortiz,Bob Sapp,Matt Hughes,etc...

REED Saw a Guy Named Ernesto Hoost Beat the Living Shit Out of Sapp 1nce....

Couple Questions...

1. What Differentiates Pride,UFC,MMA???...Is 1 SIGNIFICANTLY Better than the Other???...

2. Is there some Sort of MMA/UFC Lb 4 Lb List???...

It's Become APPARENT to REED that he Needs to Pay MORE Attention to this Sport...As Such,REED Wants to Know who the BEST Guys R,so he can Check them Out...



REED:cool:you should check out Anderson Silva, the self proclaimed "Roy Jones Jr. of mma". :cheer: :stir:

[Bob N Weave]

The fact that Fedor has gone 27 fights without a loss against the biggest names in the sport is HUGE. Unlike boxing, MMA fighters rarely/if ever go without a loss before their 10th pro fight. Thats how competitive it is at ALL levels. Not only that, but keep in mind, some of those fights were after fighting 2 other times on the same night!

[Bob N Weave]

you should check out Anderson Silva, the self proclaimed "Roy Jones Jr. of mma". :cheer: :stir:

Yeah, thats another one to check out. Silva is pretty dominant in the sport now too. Very fun to watch.

[Bob N Weave]

So Submissions DON'T Count as KO's???...

So 7 of Fedor's Fights went the Distance???...Is it Safe to Say he's the G.O.A.T. of UFC/MMA???...

For REED to Properly Appreciate this Shit,he wants to See THE BEST Guy Out There 1st...


REED:cool:


As far as the best fights to be made now.. There are tons. Sooo many good fights its hard to pick em.. at lower weight classes though.

For heavyweight...Fedor vs. anyone is always fun to watch in a Tysonlike way. But as far as meaningful matchups, he is just head shoulders above everyone else. There are some decent heavyweight fights to be made though, just nothing that the public is demanding atm.

[winner by choke]

REED Knows VERY LITTLE about Mixed Martial Arts...Just the "Mainstream" Guys like Liddell,Tito Ortiz,Bob Sapp,Matt Hughes,etc...

REED Saw a Guy Named Ernesto Hoost Beat the Living Shit Out of Sapp 1nce....

Couple Questions...

1. What Differentiates Pride,UFC,MMA???...Is 1 SIGNIFICANTLY Better than the Other???...

2. Is there some Sort of MMA/UFC Lb 4 Lb List???...

It's Become APPARENT to REED that he Needs to Pay MORE Attention to this Sport...As Such,REED Wants to Know who the BEST Guys R,so he can Check them Out...



REED:cool:

What differentiates PRIDE from UFC is pretty much only the skill set allowed and drug testing.

PRIDE does not test for steroids, while UFC does...as it is usually regulated by a state athletic commision.

And while LB 4 LB lists are usually up to the person, Fedor Emelianenko is definitely number one.

Other top fighters include:

Kid Yamamoto (143 LBS champion, currently not fighting because he is pursuing olympic wrestling)

Dan Henderson (Olympic wrestler with knockout power in his right hand)

Randy Couture (Current UFC heavyweight champion. Former olympic wrestler with underrated stand-up)

Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera (2nd best heavyweight to Fedor. Recently signed deal with the UFC)

Georges St. Pierre (Considered best all-around fighter besides Fedor until his recent upset loss to Matt Serra)

And to answer your other question, "striking" incorporates ALL stand up fighting.

Boxing, Taekwondo, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Karate etc.

Most fighters in today's MMA usually train both boxing and muay thai.

[holler]

Hey REED,

I'm an MMA newbie as well, in fact last weekend's fight was my first UFC PPV.

If you're looking for somebody to root for/watch check out Rampage Jackson. (In fact he's the only reason why I ordered the PPV)

The guy is absolutely hilarious and definitely has that crossover appeal to guys who are just checking out the sport. If you wanna see guys get powerbombed and KTFO check out some of his fights on youtube. Check his interviews too for a good laugh - if boxing had a personality like him, IMO we'd be in the mainstream again.

[Hanzy]

The one thing that irks me is seeing 2 world class wrestlers trying to box eachother when neither one can get a takedown.:lol: You see it often. Hell, we had 2 Olympians in a Pride fight. Yoshida, a judo gold medalist, and Rulon Gardner, a Greco Roman medalist. Most of the f*cking fight consisting of a 'boxing' match with Gardner winning using his 'jab' or lack thereof.:laughing:
I also don't like seeing Randy Couture box. He neglected his wrestling against Liddell and tried to KO him with a bunch of blind hailmarys. Couture's wrestling was neutralized so he had no other choice. I just wonder how a fighter would react to a world class boxer or K1 fighter who had takedown defense. The fight stays standing and the wrestler is in serious trouble.

[Bob N Weave]

The one thing that irks me is seeing 2 world class wrestlers trying to box eachother when neither one can get a takedown.:lol: You see it often. Hell, we had 2 Olympians in a Pride fight. Yoshida, a judo gold medalist, and Rulon Gardner, a Greco Roman medalist. Most of the f*cking fight consisting of a 'boxing' match with Gardner winning using his 'jab' or lack thereof.:laughing:
I also don't like seeing Randy Couture box. He neglected his wrestling against Liddell and tried to KO him with a bunch of blind hailmarys. Couture's wrestling was neutralized so he had no other choice. I just wonder how a fighter would react to a world class boxer or K1 fighter who had takedown defense. The fight stays standing and the wrestler is in serious trouble.

That's what makes the sport so spontaneous. So many variables and adjustments to make.

[D MAN]

Fedor is almost the opposite of what you would expect... tubby, short for a heavyweight, balding, docile as a llama. Deadly though...

Just youtube 'fedor' and watch a few highlight vids.

[REEDsART]

you should check out Anderson Silva, the self proclaimed "Roy Jones Jr. of mma". :cheer: :stir::eek: :eek: :eek:


REED:lol:

[Hanzy]

Fedor is almost the opposite of what you would expect... tubby, short for a heavyweight, balding, docile as a llama. Deadly though...

Just youtube 'fedor' and watch a few highlight vids.

6 feet, 225lbs with incredible submission skills and devastating ground and pound.

[r o o s t e r]

why doesn't fedor fight in UFC?
is he likely to?

I happened to catch that Liddell-Jackson match on TV yesterday and it was exhilarating. Jackson is so damned marketable, a UFC Ali. He was hamming it up like a WWE villain.

UFC seem to have really smoothed their set-up, seems so professional.

The crucial fuck-up in boxing is that fights don't get made. Looks like UFC is avoiding that problem.

Also - boxers need a long rest-time between fights. But I guess MMA fighters don't have to do the same. So we can see the big fighters in fights more often.

[Baron]

What differentiates PRIDE from UFC is pretty much only the skill set allowed and drug testing.

PRIDE does not test for steroids, while UFC does...as it is usually regulated by a state athletic commision.

And while LB 4 LB lists are usually up to the person, Fedor Emelianenko is definitely number one.

Other top fighters include:

Kid Yamamoto (143 LBS champion, currently not fighting because he is pursuing olympic wrestling)

Dan Henderson (Olympic wrestler with knockout power in his right hand)

Randy Couture (Current UFC heavyweight champion. Former olympic wrestler with underrated stand-up)

Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera (2nd best heavyweight to Fedor. Recently signed deal with the UFC)

Georges St. Pierre (Considered best all-around fighter besides Fedor until his recent upset loss to Matt Serra)

And to answer your other question, "striking" incorporates ALL stand up fighting.

Boxing, Taekwondo, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Karate etc.

Most fighters in today's MMA usually train both boxing and muay thai.What's funny is that 3 of the guys you listed as PFP recently got ko'ed. 2 of them by huge underdogs. It just shows how competitive this sport is IMO. Some people turn that against MMA, suggesting that they're a bunch of bums, but that "anything can happen" dimension really adds to the enjoyment of the sport IMO. Another guy that really impresses me is Mauricio Rua. I'm no connoisseur but I think that's one fighter that could dominate the sport for a while.

[Trplsec]

Watching Fedor survive that vicious slam on his neck by Randleman only to kimura his ass seconds later is all you need to know. The guy is a beast that never seems to get upset or out of control...

[ArturoGatti]

What's funny is that 3 of the guys you listed as PFP recently got ko'ed. 2 of them by huge underdogs. It just shows how competitive this sport is IMO. Some people turn that against MMA, suggesting that they're a bunch of bums, but that "anything can happen" dimension really adds to the enjoyment of the sport IMO. Another guy that really impresses me is Mauricio Rua. I'm no connoisseur but I think that's one fighter that could dominate the sport for a while.:dunno:

[Baron]

:dunno:St-Pierre, Nogueira and Couture. But my bad, it's 2 of them actually... Rogerio got ko'd not minotauro...:shit::dunno:

[ILLUMINATI]

Fedor is the Roy Jones of MMA. Guy is the best and it isn't even close.

Agreed..but his more of the Sugar Ray Robinson of boxing......:tease:

[D MAN]

St-Pierre, Nogueira and Couture. But my bad, it's 2 of them actually... Rogerio got ko'd not minotauro...:shit::dunno:

After a lay-off Couture has since stepped back up in weight and taken out the semi-dominant UFC champ with ease... so I'd hardly say that he was recently knocked out, or at least not in the way you were referring to it.

[Baron]

After a lay-off Couture has since stepped back up in weight and taken out the semi-dominant UFC champ with ease... so I'd hardly say that he was recently knocked out, or at least not in the way you were referring to it.Agreed, I didn't have the Sylvia fight in mind but wasn't it a decision? Good point though. Still, you rarely see fighters as good as Couture get knocked out in boxing, even by the bests. It was no shot at the sport, personnally I think it really enhance the product.

[Father of Muzse]

Whatever happened to the guy who was featured in "The Fighting Machine?" it was a documentary HBO did on a guy who was the best fighter then disappeared.

From what I recall, they showed him getting 'roided up then he came back. The last match they showed him in, he was winning then completely fell apat and got his butt kicked.

The documentary said something about him being affected by rule changes which took away the best parts of his game. What rules changed?

[Baron]

Wasn't it Mark Kerr or something like that? I think the dude was a drug addict.

[az cat]

I wouldn't even consider myself an MMA "newbie," but a complete novice altogether. I follow the sport from afar and have somewhat of an understanding of who the top guys are. I root for Liddell (although I have never ordered a show or seen him fight live), but only because I sat next to him at a fight card in Fresno one time and chatted with him for the better part of 2 hours. He was a really nice guy.

Anyway, here is the main two problems I see with UFC as we look towards the future. I am sure that I am not the first guy to think of these, but I would like to get the thoughts of some MMA fans:

- first, from what I understand Liddell will make about 1-1.5 million by the time everything is said and done. Rampage will make about half of that. If you add up EVERYTHING paid to all of the undercard guys, I suspect the grand total will be about 3 million paid to the fighters of that show.

It seems that with the PPV sales and gate receipts, the card will generate at least 30-35 million in revenue.

My question: how long until the top UFC guys start saying "wait a second... why is the rest of the pot going somewhere else? I should be making more money." They would be correct to think that, wouldn't they? I have ZERO clue what type of contract that UFC has these guys under, but it seems to me that it won't be long until the top guys start to splinter off to make the megafights on their own, outside of the UFC banner.

UFC's monopoloy (at least in this country) doesn't seem right, nor does it seem like it can last very long.

- second, it seems that UFC needs to focus on how they are going to market their up-and-comers. I know they addressed that with the reality show a while back, but I don't know any non-UFC fans that watched that show.

It doesn't seem to me that UFC can build its future stars solely by having them fight on Mega Fight undercards. Most casual fans (the "crossover" fans that UFC is after) aren't going to always tune in for the u/c and hence won't always be on board with the up-and-comers.

The sport is probably still too contreversial and violent for network TV, or ESPN for that matter. So it may be hard to develope household names in the future exclusively on a PPV basis.

I hesitate to believe that casual followers of UFC will continue to pay for 8-12 PPV cards per year when all they are getting is 2-3 minutes of action in most healiner fights.

I'd like to get the thoughts of some MMA followers on these issues and how you think they'll be addressed. Keep in mind that in no way am I an MMA hater. I think there is plenty of room for both sports and I did the excitement of last weekend's promotion. I just wonder about these things as UFC moves forward.

It is much easier to get to the top than to stay there, and that is the challenge for UFC as a company.

[steve_dave]

I wouldn't even consider myself an MMA "newbie," but a complete novice altogether. I follow the sport from afar and have somewhat of an understanding of who the top guys are. I root for Liddell (although I have never ordered a show or seen him fight live), but only because I sat next to him at a fight card in Fresno one time and chatted with him for the better part of 2 hours. He was a really nice guy.

Anyway, here is the main two problems I see with UFC as we look towards the future. I am sure that I am not the first guy to think of these, but I would like to get the thoughts of some MMA fans:

- first, from what I understand Liddell will make about 1-1.5 million by the time everything is said and done. Rampage will make about half of that. If you add up EVERYTHING paid to all of the undercard guys, I suspect the grand total will be about 3 million paid to the fighters of that show.

It seems that with the PPV sales and gate receipts, the card will generate at least 30-35 million in revenue.

My question: how long until the top UFC guys start saying "wait a second... why is the rest of the pot going somewhere else? I should be making more money." They would be correct to think that, wouldn't they? I have ZERO clue what type of contract that UFC has these guys under, but it seems to me that it won't be long until the top guys start to splinter off to make the megafights on their own, outside of the UFC banner.

UFC's monopoloy (at least in this country) doesn't seem right, nor does it seem like it can last very long.

- second, it seems that UFC needs to focus on how they are going to market their up-and-comers. I know they addressed that with the reality show a while back, but I don't know any non-UFC fans that watched that show.

It doesn't seem to me that UFC can build its future stars solely by having them fight on Mega Fight undercards. Most casual fans (the "crossover" fans that UFC is after) aren't going to always tune in for the u/c and hence won't always be on board with the up-and-comers.

The sport is probably still too contreversial and violent for network TV, or ESPN for that matter. So it may be hard to develope household names in the future exclusively on a PPV basis.

I hesitate to believe that casual followers of UFC will continue to pay for 8-12 PPV cards per year when all they are getting is 2-3 minutes of action in most healiner fights.

I'd like to get the thoughts of some MMA followers on these issues and how you think they'll be addressed. Keep in mind that in no way am I an MMA hater. I think there is plenty of room for both sports and I did the excitement of last weekend's promotion. I just wonder about these things as UFC moves forward.

It is much easier to get to the top than to stay there, and that is the challenge for UFC as a company.

I've been saying the same things and asking the same questions for some time now.

[az cat]

I've been saying the same things and asking the same questions for some time now.

And what are the answers you've gotten?

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

And what are the answers you've gotten?
The money situation is just crazy too me. These guys must know how much boxers get for doing LESS PPV NUMBERS then they are and less money at the LIVE GATE. I find it incredible that Dana White can call boxing promoters crooks because something doesn't add up when you look at the fighters paychecks.

[TFK]

Anyone get the undercard payouts for Oscar\Floyd yet?

TFK

[valdosta]

The money situation is just crazy too me. These guys must know how much boxers get for doing LESS PPV NUMBERS then they are and less money at the LIVE GATE. I find it incredible that Dana White can call boxing promoters crooks because something doesn't add up when you look at the fighters paychecks.

Ditto. it's beyond ridiculous.

[Erratic]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/05/22/ultimate0528/index.html

[Breeze]

For the past month I've started MMA training, I love it. I've been watching MMA since the early 90's on and off. Then started watching consistently since 1999.

Its too bad some of the new guys getting into the sport don't get to see Pride in at its absolute best 2 or 3 years ago.

Everybody on here in on point about Fedor. He is ab absolute beast who fights with a lot of intensity and can do pretty much do anything in the ring (striking, submissions).

Other pound for pound guys are Dan Henderson (this guys a jbadass) and Shogun.

[Tam Tam]

There seems to be a really large number of ignorant posters here. There are boxing cards, where under carder's have to PAY to get onto the card. Just to be seen and get the exposure on a PPV event.

Where are you assholes crying about that? Not all PPV is on HBO.

[az cat]

There seems to be a really large number of ignorant posters here. There are boxing cards, where under carder's have to PAY to get onto the card. Just to be seen and get the exposure on a PPV event.

Where are you assholes crying about that? Not all PPV is on HBO.

I am not sure what your point is, or if you think in general the main UFC stars are going to gladly accept 1/40th of the revenue pot forever.

[Tam Tam]

I am not sure what your point is, or if you think in general the main UFC stars are going to gladly accept 1/40th of the revenue pot forever.
Of course not and I've been arguing that case since this topic first came up here @ fightbeat. The point is these boxing fanatics arguing this point, while ignoring that it goes on in boxing as well and sometimes even worse than with the UFC payouts.

In other words, I'm not sure if thats something a boxing fan can use to 'win' this argument.

[az cat]

Of course not and I've been arguing that case since this topic first came up here @ fightbeat. The point is these boxing fanatics arguing this point, while ignoring that it goes on in boxing as well and sometimes even worse than with the UFC payouts.

In other words, I'm not sure if thats something a boxing fan can use to 'win' this argument.

Dude, you're being a bit defensive. Who is trying to "win" an argument? I don't understand why people must argue against one sport to prop up the other. What I was saying has nothing to do with boxing. Boxing has hundreds of flaws and issues that keep it from returning to the mainstream.

But my thought is that UFC is going to start experiencing some of the problems that come with the succes they've achieved. One of those is going to be how they address the issue of paying their marquee fighters a little more in tune with their value.

If you don't think they need to revisit how they structure their payouts, then fine. If you do, then we're in agreement. But either way, boxing has nothing to do with how UFC pays their fighters. If you want to defend the UFC, please do so based on its own merit, and not at the expense of boxing. It cheapens the message.

[Tam Tam]

Dude, you're being a bit defensive. Who is trying to "win" an argument? I don't understand why people must argue against one sport to prop up the other.

I agree. And if you think I'm doing that here, you're wrong. I'm not being defensive, but I've had this discussion a thousand times.

What I was saying has nothing to do with boxing
To be fair, what I posted wasn't in direct reference to you at all.


But my thought is that UFC is going to start experiencing some of the problems that come with the succes they've achieved. One of those is going to be how they address the issue of paying their marquee fighters a little more in tune with their value.
I agree.

If you don't think they need to revisit how they structure their payouts, then fine. If you do, then we're in agreement. But either way, boxing has nothing to do with how UFC pays their fighters. If you want to defend the UFC, please do so based on its own merit, and not at the expense of boxing. It cheapens the message.
Ugh. That was my point all along. People here are defending boxing, by attempting to degrade MMA. I was simply stating that their methods of doing this and the example they're using to do it, is a stupid one, because boxing is guilty in this respect as well.