Antonio Tarver: Eyes open or closed?

[Tam Tam]

This age old myth has never truly been decided either way. Jones fans claim it was pure luck, that his eyes were shut and he swung for his life. Tarver's fan (Valdarver) claims it was a pin-point, crisp shot to the chin, set up beautifully by a master technician.

Who's right?

:dunno: Discuss.

[Tyler Durden]

:laughing:








:flip:

[Tam Tam]

:CalvinBrock:

[Pascals Wager]

I suspect that he may have blinked.
Accordingly, the decision should really be over-turned

[LOK]

This was THE most lucky punch in the history of boxing. Milkdud's eyes were closed as he kinda flinched.. afraid to get hit.. he just wildly thru and it was like winnin the lotto!!

[uppercutz1]

Well considering that his eyes were indeed closed and the punch landed perfectly on the vulnerable area of the jaw I can see how people called it a fluke.......but nonetheless he threw it.

I find it funny though how people claim Roy was chinny because that home run of a punch would've dropped a horse.

[Tam Tam]

But would it have dropped a horse? How do you know? Tarver's landed those kinds of punches against all kinds of opponents. I can only really recall poor Johnson being totally fucked up by him.

[dsimon3387]

This age old myth has never truly been decided either way. Jones fans claim it was pure luck, that his eyes were shut and he swung for his life. Tarver's fan (Valdarver) claims it was a pin-point, crisp shot to the chin, set up beautifully by a master technician.

Who's right?

:dunno: Discuss.

dsimon writes:

To truly answer this question we have to see how the punch was set up and understand Roy Jones foible as a fighter.

Tarver previously had only hit Roy substantially on the ropes (first fight). Tarver made a real effort to get to Roy and actually press him prior to cornering him. He did this knowing that Roy could conceviably counter him. So in my mind Tarver deserves credit on this account... he set Roy up for the punch and he didn't wait for Roy to get cornered to unload the punch.

It turns out, despite the excuses by the legion of his fans, that Roy was seriously vulnerable on the chin. I cite Johnson's victory to establish this fact. So Tarver's punch did not have to be outstanding to have its desired effect, Roy is Chinny and would have been vulnerable to a big punch (Lou DEvalle style) any time in his career.

[Erratic]

Tarver caught Roy with a perfect shot. He was too patient for his own good in the first fight and worried about Roy's countering, but this time around he got to him with a great shot.

I very rarely buy into that "lucky" punch stuff, unless it's a case like Tua-Rahman I where the punch shouldn't have counted. You train in the gym to exploit mistakes and do maximum damage. That's what Tarver did.

[Tyler Durden]

But would it have dropped a horse? How do you know? Tarver's landed those kinds of punches against all kinds of opponents. I can only really recall poor Johnson being totally fucked up by him.

Even more proof that he got clocked by 1 good shot.

[Tyler Durden]

Here is the logic of calling Jones chinny.....


He never got hit in his career, anyone could have done it :notallthere: .

He got hit by Devalle good, but the KD from a partial slip didn't happen. Therefore he is chinny :notallthere:

Tarver didn't hit Roy the first fight :notallthere:

A clean shot when you are looking away with no defense and don't see it coming should make you blink, not fall down :notallthere:

Tarver hurt Roy again in the third fight but Roy withstood it and came back, therefore he is chinny:dunno: :notallthere:

[Alabama_Man]

No such thing as a lucky shot. Doesn't matter if it's Rahman on Lewis, or Toney on Nunn.

I would never call Tarver a "master technician", but he meant to lay out Roy with that shot and aimed it perfectly.

[Tam Tam]

No such thing as a lucky shot. Doesn't matter if it's Rahman on Lewis, or Toney on Nunn.

I would never call Tarver a "master technician", but he meant to lay out Roy with that shot and aimed it perfectly.
Wurd.

[Tyler Durden]

No such thing as a lucky shot. Doesn't matter if it's Rahman on Lewis, or Toney on Nunn.

I would never call Tarver a "master technician", but he meant to lay out Roy with that shot and aimed it perfectly.

When a pro gets hit cleanly from a punch they didn't even have a chance to flinch on, it is at least fortunate? :dunno:

[Tyler Durden]

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[Alabama_Man]

When a pro gets hit cleanly from a punch they didn't even have a chance to flinch on, it is at least fortunate? :dunno:

I see where you're going with this, but I'd still shy away from calling a punch like the one Taver landed on Roy "good fortune."

The exchange in the corner went like this:

Roy attempts a counter-right cross which is short.

Tarver partially evades the punch, and you can see Tarver's left hand is already "cocked", meaning he's anticipating that Roy is going to fall back.

Roy sees that Tarver is going to launch his counter-attack and even puts his right hand up to block, but unfortunately Roy's chin was still out there.

Nothing in that sequence struck me as "lucky" or "fortunate." It's about as "lucky" a punch as a chess player check mating an opponent with a pawn. It seems incredible, but it can happen. It just takes planning.

[Double L]

He ducked his head in order to avoid the counter, and may have closed his eyes, but he knew where he was going, and what he was doing. What's interesting is that RJJ could've gotten out of the way of the punch - except that he himself was trying to land a shot. I'm not sure if he saw the shot coming or not, but I think he did - I think he just got greedy in there, which is definitely strange for RJJ who usually was not greedy enough.

[Tyler Durden]

I see where you're going with this, but I'd still shy away from calling a punch like the one Taver landed on Roy "good fortune."

The exchange in the corner went like this:

Roy attempts a counter-right cross which is short.

Tarver partially evades the punch, and you can see Tarver's left hand is already "cocked", meaning he's anticipating that Roy is going to fall back.

Roy sees that Tarver is going to launch his counter-attack and even puts his right hand up to block, but unfortunately Roy's chin was still out there.

Nothing in that sequence struck me as "lucky" or "fortunate." It's about as "lucky" a punch as a chess player check mating an opponent with a pawn. It seems incredible, but it can happen. It just takes planning.

Roy looks away out in the audience, backs up to the corner, looks away and throws a shot without covering up or getting out of the way. I'd say that is fortunate for Tarver he didn't have to fight another round and Roy didn't make the 10 count and Jones didn't defend the shot in any way shape or form. You don't like the definition of the word, get a petition going to Webster :dunno:

[Alabama_Man]

Roy looks away out in the audience, backs up to the corner, looks away and throws a shot without covering up or getting out of the way. I'd say that is fortunate for Tarver he didn't have to fight another round and Roy didn't make the 10 count and Jones didn't defend the shot in any way shape or form. You don't like the definition of the word, get a petition going to Webster :dunno:

Well if you meant that it's fortunate that "Tarver won" in Tarver's case, doesn't that go without saying for any fighter who wins a bout? :dunno:

[Tyler Durden]

Well if you meant that it's fortunate that "Tarver won" in Tarver's case, doesn't that go without saying for any fighter who wins a bout? :dunno:

We are talking about a punch landing that wasn't seen and ending the fight with minimal effort.

[dsimon3387]

Roy looks away out in the audience, backs up to the corner, looks away and throws a shot without covering up or getting out of the way. I'd say that is fortunate for Tarver he didn't have to fight another round and Roy didn't make the 10 count and Jones didn't defend the shot in any way shape or form. You don't like the definition of the word, get a petition going to Webster :dunno:


dsimon writes:

Roy definitely thought Tarver came to play patticake again. But Roy's strategy of engaging Tarver by going back to the ropes backfired. Tarver hit him before he got to the ropes, he set him up knowing Roy would try to get to the ropes, so Tarver was quite deliberate in this regard.

Roy didn't get up cause he couldn't cause Roy's chin was/is not that good. You can spin it any way you want but that is the truth. Tarver has never been a particularly strong puncher, neither has Johnson been a particularly strong puncher.

[Tyler Durden]

dsimon writes:

Roy definitely thought Tarver came to play patticake again. But Roy's strategy of engaging Tarver by going back to the ropes backfired. Tarver hit him before he got to the ropes, he set him up knowing Roy would try to get to the ropes, so Tarver was quite deliberate in this regard.

Roy didn't get up cause he couldn't cause Roy's chin was/is not that good. You can spin it any way you want but that is the truth. Tarver has never been a particularly strong puncher, neither has Johnson been a particularly strong puncher.

If his chin wasn't that good, in 150+ fights in pro and amateur it would have happened before he was prime mid thirties. I'm not the one spinning anything here......

[Haymaker]

Tarver fucked up griffin and Eric harding

[Double L]

dsimon writes:

Roy definitely thought Tarver came to play patticake again. But Roy's strategy of engaging Tarver by going back to the ropes backfired. Tarver hit him before he got to the ropes, he set him up knowing Roy would try to get to the ropes, so Tarver was quite deliberate in this regard.

Roy didn't get up cause he couldn't cause Roy's chin was/is not that good. You can spin it any way you want but that is the truth. Tarver has never been a particularly strong puncher, neither has Johnson been a particularly strong puncher.

i think tarver is definitely a big puncher. what's weird is how RJJ took all of tarver's best shots in the first fight, but was KTFO in the second.

[Tyler Durden]

i think tarver is definitely a big puncher. what's weird is how RJJ took all of tarver's best shots in the first fight, but was KTFO in the second.

....and took his shot in the third fight and stayed up, OH BUT WAIT!!!!! He has a weak chin! :rolleyes:

[Alabama_Man]

We are talking about a punch landing that wasn't seen and ending the fight with minimal effort.

That's skill.

[Tyler Durden]

i think tarver is definitely a big puncher. what's weird is how RJJ took all of tarver's best shots in the first fight, but was KTFO in the second.

Yeah, but, but, but, Roy never got hit clean.......the second fight wasn't a lucky punch! :lol: Logic always gets shot down when you try to bash a fighter.

[Tyler Durden]

That's skill.

Thta's one lucky punch :dunno:

[dsimon3387]

If his chin wasn't that good, in 150+ fights in pro and amateur it would have happened before he was prime mid thirties. I'm not the one spinning anything here......

dsimon writes:

Roy was good enough not to let it happen. I mean Roy was a great fighter his talents were undeniable, but his chin was never exposed until a fighter who ko'ed 18 out of 28 opponents caught him with a solid punch. The next guy he fought read the blue print and did the same thing. To me this tells me that Roy could compensate for his weakness when he was on top of his game but not later down the line. Did his chin get bad with age? Possably, though not probably.

[dsimon3387]

i think tarver is definitely a big puncher. what's weird is how RJJ took all of tarver's best shots in the first fight, but was KTFO in the second.

dsimon writes:

Roy took nothing much from Tarver. He was set up against the ropes the first fight, protecting his head through the flurries. I doubt he got caught clean with one good shot all night that first fight... everything was deflected a bit at teh very least. Tarver is a good all round fighter but he is not a big puncher. 18 Ko's in 28 victories.

[Tyler Durden]

dsimon writes:

Roy was good enough not to let it happen. I mean Roy was a great fighter his talents were undeniable, but his chin was never exposed until a fighter who ko'ed 18 out of 28 opponents caught him with a solid punch. The next guy he fought read the blue print and did the same thing. To me this tells me that Roy could compensate for his weakness when he was on top of his game but not later down the line. Did his chin get bad with age? Possably, though not probably.

To me, Tarver hit Roy with a punch 10 times harder than the ones Johnson connected with. This tells me he didn't take enough time to heal from his concussion. He was layed out for 45 minutes, this is proof enough given that NO ONE has ever done that. GTFO with he never got hit bullshit. If he was chinny, Griffen would have killed him in the second fight. Revisionists history.....

[Tyler Durden]

dsimon writes:

Roy took nothing much from Tarver. He was set up against the ropes the first fight, protecting his head through the flurries. I doubt he got caught clean with one good shot all night that first fight... everything was deflected a bit at teh very least. Tarver is a good all round fighter but he is not a big puncher. 18 Ko's in 28 victories.

:lol: he got hit clean on the ropes multiple times, look at his eye afterwards. His knockout percentage is deceiving because we know how LAZY tarver is......

[dsimon3387]

To me, Tarver hit Roy with a punch 10 times harder than the ones Johnson connected with. This tells me he didn't take enough time to heal from his concussion. He was layed out for 45 minutes, this is proof enough given that NO ONE has ever done that. GTFO with he never got hit bullshit. If he was chinny, Griffen would have killed him in the second fight. Revisionists history.....

dsimon writes:

:lol: :lol: riiiiight! Now there is a logical explanation:clap: :laughing:

[Tyler Durden]

dsimon writes:

:lol: :lol: riiiiight! Now there is a logical explanation:clap: :laughing:

Clearly unless you want to say you have seen a fighter laid out for 45 minutes and the punch he went down on GRAZED PART of his head :dunno: So Johnson is a bigger puncher?

[bigdawg]

Lemme ask this question. If Roy was so chinny how was he able to handle that massive right hand that landed flush on his chin from a full fledge heavyweight John Ruiz. The same right hand that put Kirk Johnson down and Holyfield. Please provide clarification.

Now me being a RJ nut hugger am I going to say Tarvers shot was a lucky shot. Fuk no. Tarver threw the punch it landed and the rest is history. However, I will say that Tarver ducked right into Roy's Rt hand. Roy then threw a weak ass left hook and he put his rt glove up to his cheek in the correct position to defend against the left. However Tarvers left came around Roy's glove and caught his ass with a bomb. And Roy dropped like a pile of bricks. However to Roy's credit he did manage to make it to his feet. Now about the Johnson KO. Everyone knows that Roy should not have been able to take that fight. Hell I from what I heard after a brutal KO one isn't supposed to spar for like 90 days. And that's when the fight took place. So that KO possible was a result of Tarvers KO punch.

Now for those that claim that Roy has always had a bad chin are way off. Either the dude has the best defense of all-time and is the most gifted boxer of all-time to have gone through like 15 years of professional boxing to have never been hit flush on the chin. Not to mention has anyone ever heard of Roy being ko'd or knocked down in sparring. Either his chin is pretty damn solid and he got caught with a bomb from Tarver that was perfectly placed and the Johnson fight should have never even happened that soon anyway. Which is it. Can't have it both ways. By the way how can you judge a cats chin at the end of his career. Do we hold all fighters to these standards or just Royu. I'll Holla 5000

[Tyler Durden]

Lemme ask this question. If Roy was so chinny how was he able to handle that massive right hand that landed flush on his chin from a full fledge heavyweight John Ruiz. I'll Holla 5000

That was my next example :clap: Oh wait, Ruiz doesn't hit hard.....yet Roy is chinny.......which is it? :lol:

[dsimon3387]

:lol: he got hit clean on the ropes multiple times, look at his eye afterwards. His knockout percentage is deceiving because we know how LAZY tarver is......

dsimon writes:

Your other explanation actually seems logical compared to this one. :notallthere:

I don't think Tarver is a weak puncher. And Tarver has some size to him, I just don't think he was considered a particularly dangerous puncher prior to that fight with Roy.

[Tyler Durden]

Also, that wasn't a hard punch from Tarver.......yet it bruised Roy's cheek it connected so clean :dunno:

[Tyler Durden]

dsimon writes:

Your other explanation actually seems logical compared to this one. :notallthere:

I don't think Tarver is a weak puncher. And Tarver has some size to him, I just don't think he was considered a particularly dangerous puncher prior to that fight with Roy.

He wasn't, that's why he was lucky :popcorn:

[dsimon3387]

Clearly unless you want to say you have seen a fighter laid out for 45 minutes and the punch he went down on GRAZED PART of his head :dunno: So Johnson is a bigger puncher?

dsimon writes:

Johnson got to Roy by being persistent and tiring Roy out, exhausting him. But his punch put Roy down. Technically multiple punches got to Roy and his chin being what it is he went down because of it. When he couldn't beat Johnson with his abilities he could not sustain Johnson's punches... that is a fact. I don't know for certain that he wasn't injured for some reason and neither do you or does anyone else and you know that as well as I do.

Ockhams razor: The most plausible and simplest explanation being that Johnson got to Roy by battling him and Roy did not take the punishment and went down.

[Tyler Durden]

dsimon writes:

Johnson got to Roy by being persistent and tiring Roy out, exhausting him. But his punch put Roy down. Technically multiple punches got to Roy and his chin being what it is he went down because of it. When he couldn't beat Johnson with his abilities he could not sustain Johnson's punches... that is a fact. I don't know for certain that he wasn't injured for some reason and neither do you or does anyone else and you know that as well as I do.

Ockhams razor: The most plausible and simplest explanation being that Johnson got to Roy by battling him and Roy did not take the punishment and went down.

Occam's razor: Roy was still suffering from a concussion and was out for the longest time I seen someone since who? From a GRAZING punch. Never happened before, never happened since.....

[dsimon3387]

Lemme ask this question. If Roy was so chinny how was he able to handle that massive right hand that landed flush on his chin from a full fledge heavyweight John Ruiz. The same right hand that put Kirk Johnson down and Holyfield. Please provide clarification.

Now me being a RJ nut hugger am I going to say Tarvers shot was a lucky shot. Fuk no. Tarver threw the punch it landed and the rest is history. However, I will say that Tarver ducked right into Roy's Rt hand. Roy then threw a weak ass left hook and he put his rt glove up to his cheek in the correct position to defend against the left. However Tarvers left came around Roy's glove and caught his ass with a bomb. And Roy dropped like a pile of bricks. However to Roy's credit he did manage to make it to his feet. Now about the Johnson KO. Everyone knows that Roy should not have been able to take that fight. Hell I from what I heard after a brutal KO one isn't supposed to spar for like 90 days. And that's when the fight took place. So that KO possible was a result of Tarvers KO punch.

Now for those that claim that Roy has always had a bad chin are way off. Either the dude has the best defense of all-time and is the most gifted boxer of all-time to have gone through like 15 years of professional boxing to have never been hit flush on the chin. Not to mention has anyone ever heard of Roy being ko'd or knocked down in sparring. Either his chin is pretty damn solid and he got caught with a bomb from Tarver that was perfectly placed and the Johnson fight should have never even happened that soon anyway. Which is it. Can't have it both ways. By the way how can you judge a cats chin at the end of his career. Do we hold all fighters to these standards or just Royu. I'll Holla 5000

dsimon writes;

Roy didn't get hit flush that often in his career and he certainly didn't get into many wars, if any. Ruiz is a weak ass puncher and again, when did Ruiz drill Roy solid? I saw that fight and I remember maybe one or two times Ruiz tapped Roy and not with a good shot.

Roy was a great defensive fighter Dog and this did prevent him from getting hit solidly. That is also a fact. Maybe being late in his career made his chin weaker, but I am willing to bet it was never great to begin with.

[Tam Tam]

Tarver fucked up griffin
Please, he did no such thing.

[dsimon3387]

Occam's razor: Roy was still suffering from a concussion and was out for the longest time I seen someone since who? From a GRAZING punch. Never happened before, never happened since.....

dsimon writes:

Conveniently omitting the fact that Roy had been exhausted by Johnson and hit a few times before that grazing shot. Roy couldn't take it and the weakest thing on him gave out first baaaaaby!

I don't care whether the Tarver punch was lucky or not it exposed Roy's weakness.

[Tyler Durden]

dsimon writes;

Roy didn't get hit flush that often in his career and he certainly didn't get into many wars, if any. Ruiz is a weak ass puncher and again, when did Ruiz drill Roy solid? I saw that fight and I remember maybe one or two times Ruiz tapped Roy and not with a good shot.

Roy was a great defensive fighter Dog and this did prevent him from getting hit solidly. That is also a fact. Maybe being late in his career made his chin weaker, but I am willing to bet it was never great to begin with.

Ruiz hit him real good in the first I believe, solid. Griffen hit Roy MANY times solid in their second fight. Toney hit him SOLID a few times when he traded with him at the end of the 5th round I believe. Roy took a shot from tarver clean in the third fight and the first. If Roy had no chin, he would have been out cold against these guys everytime :dunno:

[Tyler Durden]

dsimon writes:

Conveniently omitting the fact that Roy had been exhausted by Johnson and hit a few times before that grazing shot. Roy couldn't take it and the weakest thing on him gave out first baaaaaby!

I don't care whether the Tarver punch was lucky or not it exposed Roy's weakness.

Conveinently you are negatting him being out for 45 minutes on a punch that GRAZED him, unless you are saying he took a dive.....either way you are saying he took punishment or a dive, neither of which involves a weak chin.:nono:

I clearly see you are jaded by Roy baaaaaaby for whatever your reason. You cannot fight over 150 times and never get KO until you are in your mid thirties if you are chinny. Chinny it would have happened earlier and he would have fought with his hands up to avoid his weakness, regardless of him being superman and never getting hit http://www.automotivetech.org/at/images/smilies/jack.gif

[dsimon3387]

Ruiz hit him real good in the first I believe, solid. Griffen hit Roy MANY times solid in their second fight. Toney hit him SOLID a few times when he traded with him at the end of the 5th round I believe. Roy took a shot from tarver clean in the third fight and the first. If Roy had no chin, he would have been out cold against these guys everytime :dunno:

dsimon writes:

Look I know Roy Jones somehow in a professional boxing career on occasion had to take a punch or two, name a fighter who didn't. :doh: I don't know what you consider solid but I do know what we can agree is a KO because of a punch and it happened to Roy twice when two fighters uncharacteristically went after him and got to him.... Coincidence? me says no! :lol:

[Tyler Durden]

dsimon writes:

Look I know Roy Jones somehow in a professional boxing career on occasion had to take a punch or two, name a fighter who didn't. :doh: I don't know what you consider solid but I do know what we can agree is a KO because of a punch and it happened to Roy twice when two fighters uncharacteristically went after him and got to him.... Coincidence? me says no! :lol:

Yeah, he didn't get KO with a"weak chin".

Fighters have tried to go after him, he always made them pay for it. You act like Tarver and Johnson were the only people that pressed him and hit him :lol:

Coincidence he was laid out for 45 minutes on a grazing punch and never happened before prior to his concussion from his last fight? me says no! :lol:

[dsimon3387]

Conveinently you are negatting him being out for 45 minutes on a punch that GRAZED him, unless you are saying he took a dive.....either way you are saying he took punishment or a dive, neither of which involves a weak chin.:nono:

I clearly see you are jaded by Roy baaaaaaby for whatever your reason. You cannot fight over 150 times and never get KO until you are in your mid thirties if you are chinny. Chinny it would have happened earlier and he would have fought with his hands up to avoid his weakness, regardless of him being superman and never getting hit http://www.automotivetech.org/at/images/smilies/jack.gif

Dsimon writes;

Tarver and Johnson's strategy was a departure from the way others had fought Jones and it continues to befuddle Jones. That is why he is Tarver's bitch now, despite the fact that he is 500 times the fighter Tarver will ever be. Roy knows it, that is why Tarver won the third fight...and why Roy was happy just not to get KTFU. Roy was one of the greats and is done. The book is out on him, that chin is a liabillity.

Roys legacy is secure and he was great enough to protect any vulnerabilites... which all fighters have.

[Tyler Durden]

Dsimon writes;

Tarver and Johnson's strategy was a departure from the way others had fought Jones and it continues to befuddle Jones. That is why he is Tarver's bitch now, despite the fact that he is 500 times the fighter Tarver will ever be. Roy knows it, that is why Tarver won the third fight...and why Roy was happy just not to get KTFU. Roy was one of the greats and is done. The book is out on him, that chin is a liabillity.

Roys legacy is secure and he was great enough to protect any vulnerabilites... which all fighters have.

Griffen hitting Roy flush with several shots, taking a flush shot from a heavyweight, getting up from a shot from Devalle, and Roy taking a shot in the third fight with Tarver and taking shots in the first fight means he is chinny? Brannon, Hopkins, and Sosa didn't try pressurring Roy? :notallthere:

[Roll With The Punches]

Roy was ruined by a single punch...wasn't even a very big punch

[Tyler Durden]

Roy was ruined by a single punch...wasn't even a very big punch

It was so weak, it briused his cheek. I'm sure anyone could take a shot they don't see coming. Science is silly.

[Roll With The Punches]

It was so weak, it briused his cheek. I'm sure anyone could take a shot they don't see coming. Science is silly.


but how many of them would turn into a pussy and never be the same again after being dropped by it

[Tyler Durden]

but how many of them would turn into a pussy and never be the same again after being dropped by it

How many people you know get KO for 45 minutes in a ring and doesn't phase them? I will be waiting for your list.....

[Roll With The Punches]

Tarver KO'd him for 45min? last i checked he barely missed the count by a few seconds...and this flash knockdown made him gunshy forever



:notallthere:

[Tyler Durden]

Tarver KO'd him for 45min? last i checked he barely missed the count by a few seconds...and this flash knockdown made him gunshy forever



:notallthere:

....if a flash KD made him gunshy, then I guess you are talking about Devalle :notallthere:

Johnson and afterwards....still waiting.....

[Roll With The Punches]

what are you talking about you teenybopper :nono:

are you arguing that Jones looked 100% against Johnson?? wasnt gunshy or tentative at all?? wasn't at all affected by his previous fight with Tarver?? if so, please phrase it in a complete sentence so i can put it in my sig:bears:

[Tyler Durden]

what are you talking about you teenybopper :nono:

are you arguing that Jones looked 100% against Johnson?? wasnt gunshy or tentative at all?? wasn't at all affected by his previous fight with Tarver?? if so, please phrase it in a complete sentence so i can put it in my sig:bears:

Of course he was, he had a concussion, remember? If he was ruined by a flash KD teenybopper, then he was ruined after Devalle:nono: .

Are you saying you have a list of people who have a weak chin who never get caught until the end of their career after going to heavy and are not phased by KO? What are you saying?

[Haymaker]

Please, he did no such thing.

Oh really?? I thought I saw Griffin on the floor and pretty much fucked up fighting a guy named Antonio Tarver. Ask Harding if tarver can bang

[Tam Tam]

Oh really?? I thought I saw Griffin on the floor and pretty much fucked up fighting a guy named Antonio Tarver. Ask Harding if tarver can bang
Tarver CAN bang, but he didn't take out Harding with one punch. He didn't even take out Griffin and he landed fucking everything on him. Like I said before; he messed fuck out of Chris Johnson...and Roy Jones. Thats it. Every other half decent fighter he's been in with, has either lasted the distance, or had to be thrashed half to death before submitting.

Jones? One punch.

[Haymaker]

Tarver CAN bang, but he didn't take out Harding with one punch. He didn't even take out Griffin and he landed fucking everything on him. Like I said before; he messed fuck out of Chris Johnson...and Roy Jones. Thats it. Every other half decent fighter he's been in with, has either lasted the distance, or had to be thrashed half to death before submitting.

Jones? One punch.

You're right.

[Roll With The Punches]

Are you saying you have a list of people who have a weak chin who never get caught until the end of their career after going to heavy and are not phased by KO? What are you saying?


:notallthere:
i'm saying i have a list of fighters who were hurt by a punch and it didn't turn them into tentative cowards

[Tyler Durden]

Tarver CAN bang, but he didn't take out Harding with one punch. He didn't even take out Griffin and he landed fucking everything on him. Like I said before; he messed fuck out of Chris Johnson...and Roy Jones. Thats it. Every other half decent fighter he's been in with, has either lasted the distance, or had to be thrashed half to death before submitting.

Jones? One punch.

Proof it was lucky :lol:

[Tyler Durden]

:notallthere:
i'm saying i have a list of fighters who were hurt by a punch and it didn't turn them into tentative cowards

I guess Jones isn't one of them either unless we want to start picking rounds out of fights:dunno: Good point teenybopper.

[ElTerriblee]

But would it have dropped a horse? How do you know? Tarver's landed those kinds of punches against all kinds of opponents. I can only really recall poor Johnson being totally fucked up by him.

What about Eric Harding? Let´s put it the other way around? Name a guy he didn´t drop or hurt, besides Johnson and Hopkins of course.

[ElTerriblee]

Thta's one lucky punch :dunno:

So out of 36 rounds against Roy Tarver won 26, if we count the TKO2 as 11-1, and even if we don´t he still won more rounds than Roy, did he get lucky in all of them.

[ElTerriblee]

Tarver CAN bang, but he didn't take out Harding with one punch. He didn't even take out Griffin and he landed fucking everything on him. Like I said before; he messed fuck out of Chris Johnson...and Roy Jones. Thats it. Every other half decent fighter he's been in with, has either lasted the distance, or had to be thrashed half to death before submitting.

Jones? One punch.

Of course he took Harding out with a single lefthook armpunch. Harding was all over the place just like Roy, unfortunately they didn´t give Roy another three knockdowns. He knocked Lincoln Carter silly with one shot and some others early. If you are looking for coma KOs, how many fighters have these kind of KOs on their record? Especially against great to good opponents? Who has Manny laid out hard? Marquez, Morales, Larios, Barrera, Solis, ? Okay, Pacquiao can´t punch.

[LATIN KING]

he did close his eyes. Still Jones got caught backing up and that did it.

[Tam Tam]

What about Eric Harding? Let´s put it the other way around? Name a guy he didn´t drop or hurt, besides Johnson and Hopkins of course.
Reggie Johnson. Eric Harding in their first fight. Basically every decent fighter he's ever fought besides Jones, Harding II and Chris Johnson.

[Tam Tam]

Of course he took Harding out with a single lefthook armpunch. Harding was all over the place just like Roy, unfortunately they didn´t give Roy another three knockdowns. He knocked Lincoln Carter silly with one shot and some others early. If you are looking for coma KOs, how many fighters have these kind of KOs on their record? Especially against great to good opponents? Who has Manny laid out hard? Marquez, Morales, Larios, Barrera, Solis, ? Okay, Pacquiao can´t punch.
Shutup Nazi.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

When somebody throws a punch at you closing your eyes is a natural reaction. Nobody could knock Roy out with a lucky shot. It takes skill to land on RJ. It was a perfectly thrown counter shot.

[His_Royness]

Just in case some fuckers here missed the fight... Johnson KOed Roy with a temple shot - just like Krasniqi did to Whitaker and Sven Ottke did to Mundine.

Never in hell would these fighters lay someone that good on the floor someone for MINUTES!!! with any other punch than a temple shot!!!

Saying Roy is chinny from that is just retarded - same goes with the Tarver punch and Roy even tried to get up from it, but that thing would have dropped anyone.

Roy's chin might not be iron but he took shots that lead me to the assumption it's alright. Gunshy he seems though...

[LOK]

I'll tell you guys what happened for real

the punch was lucky for one thing.. Tarver had his eyes closed and just WINGED it..

But... Roy was weakened... simple as that..
I think Roy's Chin is pretty good normally, he took Ruiz's shots.. Ruiz Dropped HOLY!

But.. Roy went up to 200+lbs for the Ruiz fight.. he was on Roids.. IMO..

he then went back to LH.. dropping maybe 20 lbs! he was very weakened by this..

[Baron]

Roy is undefeated. Against Griffin : Griffin Faked. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Against Tarver 2: Tarver got lucky. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Agaisnt Johnson : Post concussion syndrome. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Against Tarver 3 : Post-Post-concussion syndrome. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:


Thanks Tyler, I saw the light.:bears:

[LOK]

Roy is undefeated. Against Griffin : Griffin Faked. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Against Tarver 2: Tarver got lucky. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Agaisnt Johnson : Post concussion syndrome. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Against Tarver 3 : Post-Post-concussion syndrome. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:


Thanks Tyler, I saw the light.:bears:

:bears:

[ElTerriblee]

Roy is undefeated. Against Griffin : Griffin Faked. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Against Tarver 2: Tarver got lucky. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Agaisnt Johnson : Post concussion syndrome. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Against Tarver 3 : Post-Post-concussion syndrome. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:


Thanks Tyler, I saw the light.:bears:

:laughing: :laughing:

[Father of Muzse]

Tarver should be nicknamed after the Stanley Kubrick movie "Eyes Wide Shut."

[dsimon3387]

but how many of them would turn into a pussy and never be the same again after being dropped by it

dsimon writes:

:bears: Exactly. Once the book was written it changed Roy fundamentally. Roy obviously can't deal with a chin check.

[ElTerriblee]

Tarver should be nicknamed after the Stanley Kubrick movie "Eyes Wide Shut."

Roy after Glen: 2001 seconds: A Space Odyssey.

Roy after Tarver: Clockworked Orange.

[dsimon3387]

Tarver CAN bang, but he didn't take out Harding with one punch. He didn't even take out Griffin and he landed fucking everything on him. Like I said before; he messed fuck out of Chris Johnson...and Roy Jones. Thats it. Every other half decent fighter he's been in with, has either lasted the distance, or had to be thrashed half to death before submitting.

Jones? One punch.

dsimon writes:

Exactly. :bears:

The harding fight is a good example. Tarver is a decent puncher but was not known as a devistating puncher and in fact isn't.... Hopkins knew that as well BTW.

IMO when you get dropped by ywo guys who are not known to be devistating punchers it says something about your chin. IMO

[dsimon3387]

Roy is undefeated. Against Griffin : Griffin Faked. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Against Tarver 2: Tarver got lucky. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Agaisnt Johnson : Post concussion syndrome. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Against Tarver 3 : Post-Post-concussion syndrome. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:


Thanks Tyler, I saw the light.:bears:

dsimon writes:

:lol:

It makes a lot of sense when you put it that way

[Double L]

dsimon writes:

:bears: Exactly. Once the book was written it changed Roy fundamentally. Roy obviously can't deal with a chin check.

Yeah. RJJ relied heavily on beating his opponents mentally - intimidating and taming them with his speed. And for a long stretch of guys he was successful. Guys like Gonzalez and Woods, while they were aggressive early on, had given up by the 4th or 5th round, having by then bought into the myth that RJJ was invincible and that they had no chance.

It was an amazing thing - after a few rounds it was as if RJJ's opponents were following a script.

[Baron]

Yeah. RJJ relied heavily on beating his opponents mentally - intimidating and taming them with his speed. And for a long stretch of guys he was successful. Guys like Gonzalez and Woods, while they were aggressive early on, had given up by the 4th or 5th round, having by then bought into the myth that RJJ was invincible and that they had no chance.

It was an amazing thing - after a few rounds it was as if RJJ's opponents were following a script.He beat them mentally by being too good for them. Simple as that. Roy was schooling these guys silly at LH prior to the first Tarver fight. He was hardly losing rounds.

[Double L]

He beat them mentally by being too good for them. Simple as that. Roy was schooling these guys silly at LH prior to the first Tarver fight. He was hardly losing rounds.

"He beat them mentally by being too good for them. Simple as that."

Okay, but that's not to suggest that if a guy like Woods, or Gonzalez, hadn't given up the way they did, that they couldn't have had more success than they did later in the fight. Right?

It's circular to say he beat them mentally by being too good for them. Point is, much of the defeat that occurred was due to the mental collapse of the opponent.

[Alabama_Man]

He beat them mentally by being too good for them. Simple as that. Roy was schooling these guys silly at LH prior to the first Tarver fight. He was hardly losing rounds.

Tyler Nerden: "Those were all lucky rounds. It was forunate that they let Roy hit them in the face all those times by being slower and less skilled."

[Father of Muzse]

"He beat them mentally by being too good for them. Simple as that."

Okay, but that's not to suggest that if a guy like Woods, or Gonzalez, hadn't given up the way they did, that they couldn't have had more success than they did later in the fight. Right?

It's circular to say he beat them mentally by being too good for them. Point is, much of the defeat that occurred was due to the mental collapse of the opponent.

Yeah, and Roy's fists upside their heads had NOTHING to do with it right? :dunno:

[Double L]

Yeah, and Roy's fists upside their heads had NOTHING to do with it right? :dunno:

i'm not saying that. all i'm saying is, for long stretches of many of his fights, RJJ was in the ring with fighters that had completely lost their confidence and stopped fighting. and he deserves all the credit for having rendered them thus. but let's face it. not all fighters would've responded to RJJ's speed in such a defeatist way (see G. Johnson).

[Father of Muzse]

i'm not saying that. all i'm saying is, for long stretches of many of his fights, RJJ was in the ring with fighters that had completely lost their confidence and stopped fighting. and he deserves all the credit for having rendered them thus. but let's face it. not all fighters would've responded to RJJ's speed in such a defeatist way (see G. Johnson).

Glen Johnson didn't face a 25 or 28 year old version of Roy Jones either. When Glen was at that age, he couldn't handle Bernard Hopkins.

When Hopkins was at that age, he couldn't handle Roy.

When James Toney was that age, he couldn't handle Roy.

The bottom line is, Jones haters waited 15 years to see him fall. Roy's run as an "E-Light" fighter is certainly a huge accomplishment. Guys who bitch about his competition support other guys for beating the SAME guys Roy did only Roy did it earlier in his career and the opponents career.

It's not like Jones got to 35 years old by beating no hopers like the laundry list of guys Calzaghe's beaten. If you look at the top contenders from the mid 90's until 2003 you'll see that Jones fought and beat most if not all of them.

[dsimon3387]

Tyler Nerden: "Those were all lucky rounds. It was forunate that they let Roy hit them in the face all those times by being slower and less skilled."

dsimon writes:

Yeah and actually Roy probably slipped in the bathtub and hit his head unbe knownst to us and that exxacerated his injury thus making him vulnerable to Johnson's sudden punch (that came out of nowhere... not liek Johnson was hitting him) and grazed him.

[dsimon3387]

Glen Johnson didn't face a 25 or 28 year old version of Roy Jones either. When Glen was at that age, he couldn't handle Bernard Hopkins.

When Hopkins was at that age, he couldn't handle Roy.

When James Toney was that age, he couldn't handle Roy.

The bottom line is, Jones haters waited 15 years to see him fall. Roy's run as an "E-Light" fighter is certainly a huge accomplishment. Guys who bitch about his competition support other guys for beating the SAME guys Roy did only Roy did it earlier in his career and the opponents career.

It's not like Jones got to 35 years old by beating no hopers like the laundry list of guys Calzaghe's beaten. If you look at the top contenders from the mid 90's until 2003 you'll see that Jones fought and beat most if not all of them.

dsimon writes:

I agree with this post. But I have one caveat: Why can't Roy lovers not label everybody a Roy hater for pointing out the obvious? In his reign nobody got to Roy. His chin was not tested during that reign. I don't thik Double disputes that Roy dominated his opposition, but the fact is Roy got beat by Tarver who was not intimidated by Roy. Yeah maybe years back Tarver wouldn't have caught roy with that shot but he did and it showed Subsequently that Roy could not deal with it from that point on.

The same people that say Mayweather has no power (true) will get an attitude when Roy's chin is called what it is... suspect.

[Father of Muzse]

dsimon writes:

I agree with this post. But I have one caveat: Why can't Roy lovers not label everybody a Roy hater for pointing out the obvious? In his reign nobody got to Roy. His chin was not tested during that reign. I don't thik Double disputes that Roy dominated his opposition, but the fact is Roy got beat by Tarver who was not intimidated by Roy. Yeah maybe years back Tarver wouldn't have caught roy with that shot but he did and it showed Subsequently that Roy could not deal with it from that point on.

The same people that say Mayweather has no power (true) will get an attitude when Roy's chin is called what it is... suspect.

A guy KO'd twice 15 years into a career is completely different than a guy KO'd like that early and throughout his career.

Guys act like Roy has the chin of Roger Mayweather or Junior Jones.

Lemmon was KO'd during his prime and during his reign and most consider him chinny...

"However"

When talking about him, no one acts as though he couldn't beat anybody which is essentially what guys are doing in Roy's case.

Roy's chin wasn't an issue because no one could get to it. That goes a long way toward stating how good his reflexes/skills were.

[Baron]

"He beat them mentally by being too good for them. Simple as that."

Okay, but that's not to suggest that if a guy like Woods, or Gonzalez, hadn't given up the way they did, that they couldn't have had more success than they did later in the fight. Right?

It's circular to say he beat them mentally by being too good for them. Point is, much of the defeat that occurred was due to the mental collapse of the opponent.Why do you think they collapsed mentally :lol: Because everything they tried wasn't working, they got discouraged by what was happening in the ring, not by Roy's psychic powers.:lol:

[Erratic]

Yeah. RJJ relied heavily on beating his opponents mentally - intimidating and taming them with his speed. And for a long stretch of guys he was successful. Guys like Gonzalez and Woods, while they were aggressive early on, had given up by the 4th or 5th round, having by then bought into the myth that RJJ was invincible and that they had no chance.

It was an amazing thing - after a few rounds it was as if RJJ's opponents were following a script.

Other guys didn't give up mentally but ended up taking more punishment. Harmon, Hall, Telesco.

Pretty hard not to get discouraged when you're getting countered silly and being pummelled.

[Baron]

Other guys didn't give up mentally but ended up taking more punishment. Harmon, Hall, Telesco.

Pretty hard not to get discouraged when you're getting countered silly and being pummelled.:nono: Psychic powers. The only logical explanation.

[dsimon3387]

A guy KO'd twice 15 years into a career is completely different than a guy KO'd like that early and throughout his career.

Guys act like Roy has the chin of Roger Mayweather or Junior Jones.

Lemmon was KO'd during his prime and during his reign and most consider him chinny...

"However"

When talking about him, no one acts as though he couldn't beat anybody which is essentially what guys are doing in Roy's case.

Roy's chin wasn't an issue because no one could get to it. That goes a long way toward stating how good his reflexes/skills were.

dsimon writes:

Lemmon was in the heavy weight division and lemmon was at times smacked around.... Mercer, Briggs, and of course Vitali. These performances showed that Lewis had a great chin, especially Vitali.

The Bold part of the post is where we are in 100% agreement. Some guys make a lot of excuses for Roy's victories (got to the good guys early, etc) that is not my point, I don't agree with that. My point is that Roy had a suspect chin that he protected very well with other attributes against some of the best. But Tarver did indeed expose a weakness.

[dsimon3387]

Why do you think they collapsed mentally :lol: Because everything they tried wasn't working, they got discouraged by what was happening in the ring, not by Roy's psychic powers.:lol:

dsimon writes:

Honestly did you guys read that into Double's post? I didn't. Roy smacked you and had presence in the ring.... Like Tyson had presence in the ring. Tyson scared the shit out of people and he also had the skills to back it up. Roy did the same sort of thing. He bedazzled with skills and made the opponent hesitate.

Lewis, who was also talented never had that presence in the ring. Guys actually thought they could beat Lewis... They thought he spoke like a cupcake and that he was easy pickings for the KO. :lol:

[Baron]

dsimon writes:

Honestly did you guys read that into Double's post? I didn't. Roy smacked you and had presence in the ring.... Like Tyson had presence in the ring. Tyson scared the shit out of people and he also had the skills to back it up. Roy did the same sort of thing. He bedazzled with skills and made the opponent hesitate.

Lewis, who was also talented never had that presence in the ring. Guys actually thought they could beat Lewis... They thought he spoke like a cupcake and that he was easy pickings for the KO. :lol:No but but he seems to imply that if these guys really wanted they would have been able to beat Roy. He seems to think they simply didn't because all of sudden they gave up on themselves for some strange reason. That's why I brought up "Psychic powers" in jest. But for me, these guys didn't KO Roy because he was too good for them, not because they gave up on themselves because of Roy's aura of invincibility. It's a common myth on message boards that nobody really tried to bumrush Roy without getting discouraged before like Johnson did, more than a few guys tried that but they got the shit countered out of them. I remember Brannon, he tried that but got totally beat up to the point that Roy asked the ref to stop the fight. Even though I joked earlier about Roy being undefeated, I suscribe to the idea that Roy hadn't totally recovered from the Tarver KO when he fought Johnson, a prime Roy wouldn't have been caught on the ropes that often against a guy like Johnson.

[dsimon3387]

No but but he seems to imply that if these guys really wanted they would have been able to beat Roy. He seems to think they simply didn't because all of sudden they gave up on themselves for some strange reason. That's why I brought up "Psychic powers" in jest. But for me, these guys didn't KO Roy because he was too good for them, not because they gave up on themselves because of Roy's aura of invincibility. It's a common myth on message boards that nobody really tried to bumrush Roy without getting discouraged before like Johnson did, more than a few guys tried that but they got the shit countered out of them. I remember Brannon, he tried that but got totally beat up to the point that Roy asked the ref to stop the fight. Even though I joked earlier about Roy being undefeated, I suscribe to the idea that Roy hadn't totally recovered from the Tarver KO when he fought Johnson, a prime Roy wouldn't have been caught on the ropes that often against a guy like Johnson.

dsimon writes:

Double L always has to have some fantastic premise in his posts:lol:.... or it isn't double L:lol:.

I agree. I actually think it is amazing when fighter can cultivate an image that makes other professionals ambivalent, but this image goes hand in hand with the actual skills that pay the bills for sure.

I think the Tarver KO was psychologically devistating for Roy and ironickly this, in my mind was much more relevant than physically getting KO'ed despite how it exposed Roy a bit.

[Erratic]

dsimon writes:

Honestly did you guys read that into Double's post? I didn't. Roy smacked you and had presence in the ring.... Like Tyson had presence in the ring. Tyson scared the shit out of people and he also had the skills to back it up. Roy did the same sort of thing. He bedazzled with skills and made the opponent hesitate.

Lewis, who was also talented never had that presence in the ring. Guys actually thought they could beat Lewis... They thought he spoke like a cupcake and that he was easy pickings for the KO. :lol:

Lewis didn't have that intimidating presence like a Tyson, but some of his opponents got intimidated in the ring and tasted a right hand from him, similar to how guys got intimidated when they found out how quick Roy really was and how well he countered them, and how guys got intimidated when they saw first-hand how powerful and fast Tyson was. If it wasn't "intimidation", then it was a respect that made guys more cautious and tenative.

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth"- Tyson

[dsimon3387]

Lewis didn't have that intimidating presence like a Tyson, but some of his opponents got intimidated in the ring and tasted a right hand from him, similar to how guys got intimidated when they found out how quick Roy really was and how well he countered them, and how guys got intimidated when they saw first-hand how powerful and fast Tyson was. If it wasn't "intimidation", then it was a respect that made guys more cautious and tenative.

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth"- Tyson

dsimon writes:

Actually with Lewis you could see it as soon as they got smacked:lol:. But I think that Roy and Mike were different in that before they ever even threw a punch they had a presence, a control over the opponent that was only reinforced when they connected in the ring.

I almost want to say that if Lewis had the presence of Mike and Roy he would never have gotten Ko'ed by Rahman and Mccall, but I know that is conjecture and Mccall particularly was crazy enough not to be put off by anyone:lol:.

[Father of Muzse]

dsimon writes:

Double L always has to have some fantastic premise in his posts:lol:.... or it isn't double L:lol:.

I agree. I actually think it is amazing when fighter can cultivate an image that makes other professionals ambivalent, but this image goes hand in hand with the actual skills that pay the bills for sure.

I think the Tarver KO was psychologically devistating for Roy and ironickly this, in my mind was much more relevant than physically getting KO'ed despite how it exposed Roy a bit.

I don't think the Tarver KO exposed Roy. It was GREAT shot just like the shot Rahman landed on Lemmon. Anyone would have gone out from those shots.

I said this at the time, but I was concerned about Roy fighting Johnson so quickly after the KO loss. I always felt he was rushed by HBO because the September slot was his last chance at getting back on HBO before the end of the year.

You have a 35 year old guy fighting twice in four months (which he hadn't done in nearly 10 years) plus coming off a one punch KO...

It was simply too soon.

Not to mention, after a KO you're suspended for 60 days so Roy wouldn't have (in theory) had enough time to spar in preparation for Johnson.

Some of us (meaning ME) saw the Tarver KO coming before it happened. I'd talked about my concern over Tarver catching Roy because it was clear by the end of their first fight, he had Roy's timing down.

I also openly spoke about my reservations about Roy fighting Johnson so soon after the Tarver KO. I'd heard that Roy had been knocked down a few times in when preparing for Johnson which told me he wasn't physically nor mentally ready to step into the ring again.

For a guy to have had that long of a run without really getting hurt, pyschologically he must have been a mess...in fact he still is.

[dsimon3387]

I don't think the Tarver KO exposed Roy. It was GREAT shot just like the shot Rahman landed on Lemmon. Anyone would have gone out from those shots.

I said this at the time, but I was concerned about Roy fighting Johnson so quickly after the KO loss. I always felt he was rushed by HBO because the September slot was his last chance at getting back on HBO before the end of the year.


You have a 35 year old guy fighting twice in four months (which he hadn't done in nearly 10 years) plus coming off a one punch KO...

It was simply too soon.

Not to mention, after a KO you're suspended for 60 days so Roy wouldn't have (in theory) had enough time to spar in preparation for Johnson.

Some of us (meaning ME) saw the Tarver KO coming before it happened. I'd talked about my concern over Tarver catching Roy because it was clear by the end of their first fight, he had Roy's timing down.

I also openly spoke about my reservations about Roy fighting Johnson so soon after the Tarver KO. I'd heard that Roy had been knocked down a few times in when preparing for Johnson which told me he wasn't physically nor mentally ready to step into the ring again.

For a guy to have had that long of a run without really getting hurt, pyschologically he must have been a mess...in fact he still is.

dsimon writes:

:rolleyes:

Please. You could deconstruct why every fighter had a bad outing. Fact is Roy got jacked and subsequent to that performance has not shown any indication it was a lucky punch. Lewis destroyed the two guys who caught him. Once Tarver showed he found Roy out he owned Roy... to the point where Roy fought only to not get KO'ed the third time.

Again, why is it so hard to accept that Roy is vulnerable? And sure maybe it is his age and maybe not. All anybody knows is that it is, it happened. Lewis took hellaciouis punches from Klitschko, this dispels any myth about his chin. Klitschko, who BTW has a very high KO percentage. Roy subsequent to Tarver's KO was again KO'ed and was tentative in his third fight with Tarver.

Let me ask you this Muze, do you think Jones believes your explanations for what happened with Johnson? If he does why does he not get in there with a guy who can punch? Hopkins would fight Roy, he could probably even get a fight with Joe duckzighe because these guys know that regardless of whether it is due to age, or hapinstance... they have found a way to beat Roy.

[The Cuban Hawk]

Here is the logic of calling Jones chinny.....


He never got hit in his career, anyone could have done it :notallthere: .

He got hit by Devalle good, but the KD from a partial slip didn't happen. Therefore he is chinny :notallthere:

Tarver didn't hit Roy the first fight :notallthere:

A clean shot when you are looking away with no defense and don't see it coming should make you blink, not fall down :notallthere:

Tarver hurt Roy again in the third fight but Roy withstood it and came back, therefore he is chinny:dunno: :notallthere:

Actually, HERE is the logic of calling Jones chinny...

He was fragile enough to be outright RUINED by one punch.

End of story.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Actually, HERE is the logic of calling Jones chinny...

He was fragile enough to be outright RUINED by one punch.

End of story.
Michael Watson nearly died by getting hit by one punch. Boxing isn't good for your health.

[Tyler Durden]

Roy is undefeated. Against Griffin : Griffin Faked. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Against Tarver 2: Tarver got lucky. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Agaisnt Johnson : Post concussion syndrome. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Against Tarver 3 : Post-Post-concussion syndrome. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:


Thanks Tyler, I saw the light.:bears:

Never said ANYTHING remotely like that, thanks :shit: for putting words in my mouth :cheer: Never even ONCE mentioned Griffen one, you are :shit: , just thought I should clarify.

[Tyler Durden]

So how would you e-badasses take a shot that you don't see coming? Jump up and do a back flip one second later? Logic flies out the window when it comes to bashing a fighter :lol:

Tarver doesn't hit hard, Roy never got hit in Tarver 1&3, Johnson won because he pressured him and that never happened before. Ruiz is a powder puff pitta pat, Toney never hit Roy, Sosa never hit Roy, Reggie never hit Roy and has no power either, Jones is china chinned but took several clean shots from Griffen, it all makes sense now......I see the light :shit:

[valdosta]

So how would you e-badasses take a shot that you don't see coming? Jump up and do a back flip one second later? Logic flies out the window when it comes to bashing a fighter :lol:

Tarver doesn't hit hard, Roy never got hit in Tarver 1&3, Johnson won because he pressured him and that never happened before. Ruiz is a powder puff pitta pat, Toney never hit Roy, Sosa never hit Roy, Reggie never hit Roy and has no power either, Jones is china chinned but took several clean shots from Griffen, it all makes sense now......I see the light :shit:

I think Roy's chin was fine, however I wouldn't mention Montell Griffen trying to make that point :lol: Griffen couldn't hit worth a shit. Toney,Ruiz and Tarver are good examples of him taking decent shots though.

[Tyler Durden]

I think Roy's chin was fine, however I wouldn't mention Montell Griffen trying to make that point :lol: Griffen couldn't hit worth a shit. Toney,Ruiz and Tarver are good examples of him taking decent shots though.

But if his chin is China, and he CLEARLY got hit in the second one......where am I losing you?

BTW, Griffen only hurts guys chins with the letters DM as their initials :lol:

[Mr Kumbaya]

Jones WAS hurt in the 1st and 3rd Tarver fights. Significantly so in the 3rd actually...and that was the fight where he did nothing but run for 12 rounds.

[Tyler Durden]

Jones WAS hurt in the 1st and 3rd Tarver fights. Significantly so in the 3rd actually...and that was the fight where he did nothing but run for 12 rounds.

You'd think a China chin would fall everytime he got "hurt" :dunno:

[valdosta]

Didn't hurt DM to bad as Griffen was being walked down afterwards. Griffen couldn't punch at all. I would never use him as an example as why a fighter takes a good shot. Not sure why you have to be a smartass and so defensive, I said Roy's chin was fine.

[Tyler Durden]

Didn't hurt DM to bad as Griffen was being walked down afterwards. Griffen couldn't punch at all. I would never use him as an example as why a fighter takes a good shot. Not sure why you have to be a smartass and so defensive, I said Roy's chin was fine.

I'm not being a smartass, well maybe to other people to read using their logic :dunno: I am saying if he has a china chin, even "light hitting" Griffen would knock him down :dunno:

DM was hurt, he looked like he was on queer street to me :dunno:

[Mr Kumbaya]

You'd think a China chin would fall everytime he got "hurt" :dunno:
Even Oulette (worst chinned 'decent' fighter of all-time) didn't fall everytime he was hurt. He just wobbled or went into a shell.

Jones clearly had a suspect beard.....hard to say if it was on Oulette level though.

[Mr Kumbaya]

DM was hurt, he looked like he was on queer street to me :dunno:
:lol: :laughing:

:doh:

[Tyler Durden]

Even Oulette (worst chinned 'decent' fighter of all-time) didn't fall everytime he was hurt. He just wobbled or went into a shell.

Jones clearly had a suspect beard.....hard to say if it was on Oulette level though.

So taking shots makes you china chinned now? Maybe this is why I don't see eye to eye with some of you:lol:

[Tyler Durden]

:lol: :laughing:

:doh:

How is that funny :notallthere:

I got the tape :dunno:

[Mr Kumbaya]

So taking shots makes you china chinned now? Maybe this is why I don't see eye to eye with some of you:lol:
Yeah, you can really take that out of what I said. If you have trouble seeing eye to eye with others, its probably because you have your one eye, focused directly on Roy Jones.

[Tyler Durden]

Yeah, you can really take that out of what I said. If you have trouble seeing eye to eye with others, its probably because you have your one eye, focused directly on Roy Jones.

I just cannot agree or attempt to agree using an example where they DIDN'T fall down as being china chinned, Roy or anyone for that matter :dunno:

[Mr Kumbaya]

I just cannot agree or attempt to agree using an example where they DIDN'T fall down as being china chinned, Roy or anyone for that matter :dunno:
Name me a fighter whom you think has a "china chin".

[Tyler Durden]

Name me a fighter whom you think has a "china chin".

Marcus Rhode :blobbox:

[Mr Kumbaya]

Marcus Rhode :blobbox:
Marcus Rhode took punches without falling down.

Try again.

[Tyler Durden]

Marcus Rhode took punches without falling down.

Try again.

He got KO MANY times, you can't refute my answer because it is VALID :cheer:

[dsimon3387]

Actually, HERE is the logic of calling Jones chinny...

He was fragile enough to be outright RUINED by one punch.

End of story.

dsimon writes:

:bears: That about sums it up.

[Mr Kumbaya]

He got KO MANY times, you can't refute my answer because it is VALID :cheer:
Post some more emoticons. I think they help validate your argument.

[Tyler Durden]

Post some more emoticons. I think they help validate your argument.

You telling me Marcus Rhode isn't china chinned but Jones is :notallthere:


Here's another :rolleyes:

[dsimon3387]

So how would you e-badasses take a shot that you don't see coming? Jump up and do a back flip one second later? Logic flies out the window when it comes to bashing a fighter :lol:

Tarver doesn't hit hard, Roy never got hit in Tarver 1&3, Johnson won because he pressured him and that never happened before. Ruiz is a powder puff pitta pat, Toney never hit Roy, Sosa never hit Roy, Reggie never hit Roy and has no power either, Jones is china chinned but took several clean shots from Griffen, it all makes sense now......I see the light :shit:

dsimon writes:

Thank god I thought you would never come around!:lol: :slap:

[Baron]

Never said ANYTHING remotely like that, thanks :shit: for putting words in my mouth :cheer: Never even ONCE mentioned Griffen one, you are :shit: , just thought I should clarify.You love that :shit: emoticon too hey?:lol: :tease:

[Father of Muzse]

dsimon writes:

:rolleyes:

Please. You could deconstruct why every fighter had a bad outing. Fact is Roy got jacked and subsequent to that performance has not shown any indication it was a lucky punch. Lewis destroyed the two guys who caught him. Once Tarver showed he found Roy out he owned Roy... to the point where Roy fought only to not get KO'ed the third time.

Again, why is it so hard to accept that Roy is vulnerable? And sure maybe it is his age and maybe not. All anybody knows is that it is, it happened. Lewis took hellaciouis punches from Klitschko, this dispels any myth about his chin. Klitschko, who BTW has a very high KO percentage. Roy subsequent to Tarver's KO was again KO'ed and was tentative in his third fight with Tarver.

Let me ask you this Muze, do you think Jones believes your explanations for what happened with Johnson? If he does why does he not get in there with a guy who can punch? Hopkins would fight Roy, he could probably even get a fight with Joe duckzighe because these guys know that regardless of whether it is due to age, or hapinstance... they have found a way to beat Roy.

I think you missed the point...

EVERY fighter is vulnerable and has weaknesses. What separates good fighters from great fighters is their ability to mask those weaknesses. In the case of Ali and Jones, their natural ability allowed them to hide their flaws better.

Ali's albatross was always the left hook due to the way he pulled back and cocked his right hand. He always had trouble with lefthookers. The difference between he and Jones is that Ali had an all-time great chin.

The shot Tarver caught Jones with wasn't any less devastating than the lefthook Frazier caught Ali with. The difference being Ali's chin vs Roy's.

And again, you're talking about a 35 year old version of Roy Jones who wasn't anywhere near the fighter he was 10 years prior. Ali at roughly the same age could barely keep Leon Spinks off him.

I don't see why it's difficult to understand that the Jones Tarver and Johnson got wasn't the same as Bernard Hopkins or James Toney fought. :dunno: It's not an excuse, it's the truth.

If Roy got KO'd like that at 25, then I'd agree with you.

I'm not one of the guys who think Roy's the greatest fighter ever, but I do think he's in the Top 25 to Top 30. The problem is, guys act like the Tarver/Johnson version of Jones is the best Roy Jones. Furthermore, all of a sudden Roy couldn't beat anybody.

That's just ridiculous.

[dsimon3387]

I think you missed the point...

EVERY fighter is vulnerable and has weaknesses. What separates good fighters from great fighters is their ability to mask those weaknesses. In the case of Ali and Jones, their natural ability allowed them to hide their flaws better.

Ali's albatross was always the left hook due to the way he pulled back and cocked his right hand. He always had trouble with lefthookers. The difference between he and Jones is that Ali had an all-time great chin.

The shot Tarver caught Jones with wasn't any less devastating than the lefthook Frazier caught Ali with. The difference being Ali's chin vs Roy's.

And again, you're talking about a 35 year old version of Roy Jones who wasn't anywhere near the fighter he was 10 years prior. Ali at roughly the same age could barely keep Leon Spinks off him.

I don't see why it's difficult to understand that the Jones Tarver and Johnson got wasn't the same as Bernard Hopkins or James Toney fought. :dunno: It's not an excuse, it's the truth.

If Roy got KO'd like that at 25, then I'd agree with you.

I'm not one of the guys who think Roy's one of the greatest fighters ever, but I do think he's in the Top 25 to Top 30. The problem is, guys act like the Tarver/Johnson version of Jones is the best Roy Jones. Furthermore, all of a sudden Roy couldn't beat anybody.

That's just ridiculous.


dsimon writes:

This post makes sense to me because it admits Roy's chin may be at least as much a factor as any unknown injuries and luck on tarver's side. I agree with you and I am neither a Roy hater or a Roy lover. I would put him in the top 25 easy.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Bottom line is that we can all specualate how good or how bad Roys grill was in his prime. He rarely got hit so we will never really know. What we do know is that he had crazy speed and reflexes that meant his opponents were hesitant and defensive.

[LOK]

let me sum up all of our thoughts here..

Tarver had his eyes closed and just swung for the fences..

Roy didn't see it coming and was severily weakened by the weight drain post Ruiz..

Tarver won the lottery basically

[CleanYourClock]

let me sum up all of our thoughts here..

Tarver had his eyes closed and just swung for the fences..

Roy didn't see it coming and was severily weakened by the weight drain post Ruiz..

Tarver won the lottery basically

I agree ....
He did the same shit Vs Eric Harding ....
Fuckin Tarver was looking like a complete fool and getting OWNED every second of every round ...
He had this look on his face like he wanted to quit. The same look that was on his face towards the end of the Hopkins fight ...
Just when Tarver started to go into a survival mode only , he closed his eyes and swung for the fences ...
Fuckin Harding got caught ...

[LOK]

I agree ....
He did the same shit Vs Eric Harding ....
Fuckin Tarver was looking like a complete fool and getting OWNED every second of every round ...
He had this look on his face like he wanted to quit. The same look that was on his face towards the end of the Hopkins fight ...
Just when Tarver started to go into a survival mode only , he closed his eyes and swung for the fences ...
Fuckin Harding got caught ...

Milkdud is a lucky dude..

[Tyler Durden]

let me sum up all of our thoughts here..

Tarver had his eyes closed and just swung for the fences..

Roy didn't see it coming and was severily weakened by the weight drain post Ruiz..

Tarver won the lottery basically

:bears:


It's like calling out a yo in craps and when you hit it, it's skill :rolleyes: :lol:

[Father of Muzse]

:bears:


It's like calling out a yo in craps and when you hit it, it's skill :rolleyes: :lol:

"I caught a hot hand in a dice game..."

http://re3.mm-a8.yimg.com/image/4093162247

[REEDsART]

This age old myth has never truly been decided either way. Jones fans claim it was pure luck, that his eyes were shut and he swung for his life. Tarver's fan (Valdarver) claims it was a pin-point, crisp shot to the chin, set up beautifully by a master technician.

Who's right?

:dunno: Discuss.It was More LUCK than Anything...

For Starters,Roy MISSED a Lead Right from POINT BLANK RANGE that WOULD have Dropped Tarver OR @ the VERY Least,Knocked Tarver OUT of Position to Land his Left Hook...Tarver even Ducked INTO the Shot,but Somehow it MISSED:dunno: ...

Roy even PAUSED Himself,Out of Surprise...

Then,Roy ANTICIPATES Tarver's Left Hook,Lands HIS OWN Left Hook 1st(a WEAK One to Tarver's Neck)& Tarver's Shot SOMEHOW Go's INSIDE of Roy's Glove...

To this Day,REED has NEVER Seen a Guy Get HIT w/a Shot WHILE his Defense is Up....

Yet Tarver Managed to Do this vs Roy...

As Much as this Loss STILL Hurts REED,it was FATE...



REED:cool:

[Double L]

It was More LUCK than Anything...

For Starters,Roy MISSED a Lead Right from POINT BLANK RANGE that WOULD have Dropped Tarver OR @ the VERY Least,Knocked Tarver OUT of Position to Land his Left Hook...Tarver even Ducked INTO the Shot,but Somehow it MISSED:dunno: ...

Roy even PAUSED Himself,Out of Surprise...

Then,Roy ANTICIPATES Tarver's Left Hook,Lands HIS OWN Left Hook 1st(a WEAK One to Tarver's Neck)& Tarver's Shot SOMEHOW Go's INSIDE of Roy's Glove...

To this Day,REED has NEVER Seen a Guy Get HIT w/a Shot WHILE his Defense is Up....

Yet Tarver Managed to Do this vs Roy...

As Much as this Loss STILL Hurts REED,it was FATE...



REED:cool:

Trinidad decapitaded David Reid with a left-hook that got through his guard. Watch the tape. It looked like Tito cut him with a Sabre.

[ElTerriblee]

It was More LUCK than Anything...

For Starters,Roy MISSED a Lead Right from POINT BLANK RANGE that WOULD have Dropped Tarver OR @ the VERY Least,Knocked Tarver OUT of Position to Land his Left Hook...Tarver even Ducked INTO the Shot,but Somehow it MISSED:dunno: ...

Roy even PAUSED Himself,Out of Surprise...

Then,Roy ANTICIPATES Tarver's Left Hook,Lands HIS OWN Left Hook 1st(a WEAK One to Tarver's Neck)& Tarver's Shot SOMEHOW Go's INSIDE of Roy's Glove...

To this Day,REED has NEVER Seen a Guy Get HIT w/a Shot WHILE his Defense is Up....

Yet Tarver Managed to Do this vs Roy...

As Much as this Loss STILL Hurts REED,it was FATE...



REED:cool:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

For the record REED is VERY VERY VERY upset to announce Tarver landed the luckiest shot in boxing history on Roy Jones, a punch physically impossible. It was fate. :shit: :shit: :shit:

[LOK]

Tito hit people and it looked like they got hit with a baseball bat:eeeek:

[REEDsART]

dsimon writes;

Roy didn't get hit flush that often in his career and he certainly didn't get into many wars, if any. Ruiz is a weak ass puncher and again, when did Ruiz drill Roy solid? I saw that fight and I remember maybe one or two times Ruiz tapped Roy and not with a good shot.

Roy was a great defensive fighter Dog and this did prevent him from getting hit solidly. That is also a fact. Maybe being late in his career made his chin weaker, but I am willing to bet it was never great to begin with.@ the VERY BEGINNING of the Fight...

Ruiz RUSHED Roy,Got him on the Ropes,Landed a HUGE,FLUSH Right Hook...The Sheer FORCE of the Shot Spun Roy's Head...

Yet,NATHAN Happened...


REED:nono:

ps. That "Weak Ass" Puncher DROPPED Holyfield AND Kirk Johnson...AND he Kept a 7ft,300lb Motherfucker TENTATIVE....

[REEDsART]

Roy is undefeated. Against Griffin : Griffin Faked. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Against Tarver 2: Tarver got lucky. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Agaisnt Johnson : Post concussion syndrome. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:

Against Tarver 3 : Post-Post-concussion syndrome. DISQUALIFIED.:shit:


Thanks Tyler, I saw the light.:bears:"AND STILL" !!!


REED:clap:

[Baron]

@ the VERY BEGINNING of the Fight...

Ruiz RUSHED Roy,Got him on the Ropes,Landed a HUGE,FLUSH Right Hook...The Sheer FORCE of the Shot Spun Roy's Head...

Yet,NATHAN Happened...


REED:nono:

ps. That "Weak Ass" Puncher DROPPED Holyfield AND Kirk Johnson...AND he Kept a 7ft,300lb Motherfucker TENTATIVE....1st round on the left side of the head, but something happened though. Roy looked unsteady for about half a second.

[Baron]

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

For the record REED is VERY VERY VERY upset to announce Tarver landed the luckiest shot in boxing history on Roy Jones, a punch physically impossible. It was fate. :shit: :shit: :shit::lol:

[Baron]

1st round on the left side of the head, but something happened though. Roy looked unsteady for about half a second.That might not be the same punch (REED)you're talking about though.

[REEDsART]

Trinidad decapitaded David Reid with a left-hook that got through his guard. Watch the tape. It looked like Tito cut him with a Sabre.True...

REED Stands Corrected...

That's THE ONLY Other Time REED has Seen a Guy Get Drilled WHILE his Protective Guard is Up...

It's an EXTREMELY RARE Occurrence,Undoubtedly...Imagine Floyd Getting Caught w/his Guard UP???:dunno:

But even N Tito's Case,his Shot Landed ACROSS Reid's Face...Tarver's Shot Landed N the BEST Spot Possible...


REED:cool:

[Tyler Durden]

1st round on the left side of the head, but something happened though. Roy looked unsteady for about half a second.

Another example of a China chin :clap:

[Father of Muzse]

It was More LUCK than Anything...

For Starters,Roy MISSED a Lead Right from POINT BLANK RANGE that WOULD have Dropped Tarver OR @ the VERY Least,Knocked Tarver OUT of Position to Land his Left Hook...Tarver even Ducked INTO the Shot,but Somehow it MISSED:dunno: ...

Roy even PAUSED Himself,Out of Surprise...

Then,Roy ANTICIPATES Tarver's Left Hook,Lands HIS OWN Left Hook 1st(a WEAK One to Tarver's Neck)& Tarver's Shot SOMEHOW Go's INSIDE of Roy's Glove...
To this Day,REED has NEVER Seen a Guy Get HIT w/a Shot WHILE his Defense is Up....

Yet Tarver Managed to Do this vs Roy...

As Much as this Loss STILL Hurts REED,it was FATE...



REED:cool:


That's precisely why it's an incredible shot. Roy's glove was positioned correctly and Tarver had a small gap to land that shot and he hit the sweet spot.

The following week when Floyd fought Corley, Corley stunned Floyd with a similar shot. Floyd's glove was positioned correctly ...

"however"

A straight left from a southpaw comes in at a straighter angle than a lefthook (unless you're a point of chin lefthooker like Tito) therefore the shot was able to slide through a high guard.

[Baron]

Another example of a China chin :clap:You seem to take personal offense of this china chin comment.:dunno:

[Erratic]

True...

REED Stands Corrected...

That's THE ONLY Other Time REED has Seen a Guy Get Drilled WHILE his Protective Guard is Up...

It's an EXTREMELY RARE Occurrence,Undoubtedly...Imagine Floyd Getting Caught w/his Guard UP???:dunno:

But even N Tito's Case,his Shot Landed ACROSS Reid's Face...Tarver's Shot Landed N the BEST Spot Possible...


REED:cool:

Pacquiao split through Morales's guard numerous times with his straight left.

It's the southpaw thing, a straight left hand coming in through the guard. Morales and Jones had their right gloves near the right sides of their face, ready to fend off the left hook from an orthodox fighter. Obviously, the angle is different from lefties like Pacquiao and Tarver.

Trinidad decapitaded David Reid with a left-hook that got through his guard. Watch the tape. It looked like Tito cut him with a Sabre.

Tyson caught Tubbs with a left hook through his guard.

[Father of Muzse]

True...

REED Stands Corrected...

That's THE ONLY Other Time REED has Seen a Guy Get Drilled WHILE his Protective Guard is Up...

It's an EXTREMELY RARE Occurrence,Undoubtedly...Imagine Floyd Getting Caught w/his Guard UP???:dunno:

But even N Tito's Case,his Shot Landed ACROSS Reid's Face...Tarver's Shot Landed N the BEST Spot Possible...


REED:cool:

REED my post...Floyd got caught by Corley.

It's the angle the shot comes in at. Judah caught Floyd with a straigt left or two as well.

[Tyler Durden]

You seem to take personal offense of this china chin comment.:dunno:

Nah, just pointing out the ridiculousness that is read on this end of the monitor and when someone puts words in my mouth. If this was about Lewis, every post of mine would be the same :doh: bad example :lol:

[Erratic]

1st round on the left side of the head, but something happened though. Roy looked unsteady for about half a second.

Yeah, Roy got hit with two right hands on the side of his head, kind of high around the temple if I remember, Roy did a slight wobble, then came back strong and gave some shots to Ruiz in return.

[REEDsART]

1st round on the left side of the head, but something happened though. Roy looked unsteady for about half a second.U're Thinking about LATER On,when Roy TRADED w/him...

YES,Roy was Unsteady N that Instance...

The Shot REED is Referencing was N the 1st 6 Seconds of the Fight...& It was Actually a LEFT HOOK...REED just Re-Watched it & Timed it:lol: ...

Ruiz Immediately RUSHED Roy & Trapped him on the Ropes,Near his Own Corner...While Roy was on the Ropes,Ruiz DRILLED him w/a CLEAN Left Hook on the Chin...

The Shot CLEARLY Made Roy's Head SPIN & he Responded by Placing his Left Forearm N Ruiz's Neck...Not the LEAST Bit Wobbled or Fazed...

If Roy was TRUELY "Chinny",he'd have Been KO'ed by the 1st Shot Ruiz Landed,Cause it was Definitely a GOOD 1...Not to Mention the Shot U Referenced...

Tarver KO'ed Roy,Whether it was LUCK or Not...But All this HINDSIGHT,"Roy NEVER Got Hit","Roy was CHINNY" Talk is BULLSHIT...U CAN'T Go 15 Years & OVER 50 Fights UNSCATHED,w/Out Having SOME Punch Resistance...

Is Roy Jake LaMotta???...Of Course not...But he's NOT Roger Mayweather,Either:nono: ...

REED:cool:

[Double L]

at the very end of either the first or second round, Ruiz manages to land a right-hand that clearly hurts RJJ. but RJJ immediately recovers from it and comes back swinging, seemingly in an effort to pretend it hadn't happened at all.

[REEDsART]

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

For the record REED is VERY VERY VERY upset to announce Tarver landed the luckiest shot in boxing history on Roy Jones, a punch physically impossible. It was fate. :shit: :shit: :shit:Roy Jones > MichalSHITski


REED:tease:

[Father of Muzse]

U're Thinking about LATER On,when Roy TRADED w/him...

YES,Roy was Unsteady N that Instance...

The Shot REED is Referencing was N the 1st 6 Seconds of the Fight...& It was Actually a LEFT HOOK...REED just Re-Watched it & Timed it:lol: ...

Ruiz Immediately RUSHED Roy & Trapped him on the Ropes,Near his Own Corner...While Roy was on the Ropes,Ruiz DRILLED him w/a CLEAN Left Hook on the Chin...

The Shot CLEARLY Made Roy's Head SPIN & he Responded by Placing his Left Forearm N Ruiz's Neck...Not the LEAST Bit Wobbled or Fazed...

If Roy was TRUELY "Chinny",he'd have Been KO'ed by the 1st Shot Ruiz Landed,Cause it was Definitely a GOOD 1...Not to Mention the Shot U Referenced...

Tarver KO'ed Roy,Whether it was LUCK or Not...But All this HINDSIGHT,"Roy NEVER Got Hit","Roy was CHINNY" Talk is BULLSHIT...U CAN'T Go 15 Years & OVER 50 Fights UNSCATHED,w/Out Having SOME Punch Resistance...

Is Roy Jake LaMotta???...Of Course not...But he's NOT Roger Mayweather,Either:nono: ...

REED:cool:

More importantly, he's Jones Junior, not Junior Jones.

[Tyler Durden]

Roy Jones > MichalSHITski


REED:tease:

Roy Jones chin>Michalshitsky chin



Proof, Griffen wobbled DM and made DM hump him :lol:

[Father of Muzse]

at the very end of either the first or second round, Ruiz manages to land a right-hand that clearly hurts RJJ. but RJJ immediately recovers from it and comes back swinging, seemingly in an effort to pretend it hadn't happened at all.

Shane Mosley caught Oscar with a shot in the first round of the rematch which made his eyes roll to the back of his head.

[Baron]

U're Thinking about LATER On,when Roy TRADED w/him...

YES,Roy was Unsteady N that Instance...

The Shot REED is Referencing was N the 1st 6 Seconds of the Fight...& It was Actually a LEFT HOOK...REED just Re-Watched it & Timed it:lol: ...

Ruiz Immediately RUSHED Roy & Trapped him on the Ropes,Near his Own Corner...While Roy was on the Ropes,Ruiz DRILLED him w/a CLEAN Left Hook on the Chin...

The Shot CLEARLY Made Roy's Head SPIN & he Responded by Placing his Left Forearm N Ruiz's Neck...Not the LEAST Bit Wobbled or Fazed...

If Roy was TRUELY "Chinny",he'd have Been KO'ed by the 1st Shot Ruiz Landed,Cause it was Definitely a GOOD 1...Not to Mention the Shot U Referenced...

Tarver KO'ed Roy,Whether it was LUCK or Not...But All this HINDSIGHT,"Roy NEVER Got Hit","Roy was CHINNY" Talk is BULLSHIT...U CAN'T Go 15 Years & OVER 50 Fights UNSCATHED,w/Out Having SOME Punch Resistance...

Is Roy Jake LaMotta???...Of Course not...But he's NOT Roger Mayweather,Either:nono: ...

REED:cool:I totally agree.

[Tyler Durden]

I totally agree.

Lies.

[Baron]

Lies.Why do you say so? Because I laughed at you a little bit at the beginning of the thread? Let me clarify my stance :

1-I don't think Tarver's shot was lucky.

2-I don't think Roy has a china chin.

3-I actually like Roy.

4-I love to bust Roy's nuthuggers chops.

:tease:

[Tyler Durden]

Why do you say so? Because I laughed at you a little bit at the beginning of the thread? Let me clarify my stance :

1-I don't think Tarver's shot was lucky.

2-I don't think Roy has a china chin.

3-I actually like Roy.

4-I love to bust Roy's nuthuggers chops.

:tease:

Fool me once, shame on ......you, fool me you can't fool me again :nono:

[Double L]

Shane Mosley caught Oscar with a shot in the first round of the rematch which made his eyes roll to the back of his head.

i remember that shot. but whereas my comment had something to do with the topic at hand, yours is a defensive posture exposing your delicate feelings when it comes to RJJ. :lol:

[REEDsART]

i remember that shot. but whereas my comment had something to do with the topic at hand, yours is a defensive posture exposing your delicate feelings when it comes to RJJ. :lol:Speaking of Roy & DeLa,NICE SIG,DOUB...


REED:tease:

[Father of Muzse]

i remember that shot. but whereas my comment had something to do with the topic at hand, yours is a defensive posture exposing your delicate feelings when it comes to RJJ. :lol:

Floyd 3, Castillo and Oscar 0

[slystaff]

Floyd 3, Castillo and Oscar 0

word.

[CleanYourClock]

Floyd 3, Castillo and Oscar 0

Floyd 1 , Castillo 1 , Oscar 1 ...

Lets face facts here , Floyd did not beat Oscar ...

[valdosta]

No the FACTS are Floyd 3 to ODLH and Castillo 0

:dunno: Still can;t believe a select few think ODLH won.

[CleanYourClock]

No the FACTS are Floyd 3 to ODLH and Castillo 0

:dunno:

Yeah and Holyfield also has a Draw Vs. Lennox Lewis ... :dunno:

[Double L]

Floyd 3, Castillo and Oscar 0

pussy performances: PBF - at least 10, ODH -1, Castillo - 0

[CleanYourClock]

No the FACTS are Floyd 3 to ODLH and Castillo 0

:dunno: Still can;t believe a select few think ODLH won.

Bro , its a hell of allot more then a few select people ...

Actually I have yet to even talk to ANYONE that thought Floyd won and it has been just about a month already ...

Actually the people that think Mayweather won are the "select few" ..

[Erratic]

pussy performances: PBF - at least 10, ODH -1, Castillo - 0

Cases of getting caught cheating before the fight:

Castillo- 1 De La Hoya- 1??? PBF- 0

[REEDsART]

pussy performances: PBF - at least 10, ODH -1, Castillo - 0"I was COMPLETELY Wrong about Floyd Mayweather & MORE IMPORTANTLY,Roy Jones Jr....For YEARS i've had NOTHING Good to Say about Either,but the Entire Time,I was just MASKING my Disappointment that Oscar DeLa Hoya COULDN'T Carry Either 1 of their JOCKSTRAPS...

Quite Simply, DOUBLE L "Musta Forgot" & For that I Sincerely APOLOGIZE."

[Erratic]

Bro , its a hell of allot more then a few select people ...

Actually I have yet to even talk to ANYONE that thought Floyd won and it has been just about a month already ...

Actually the people that think Mayweather won are the "select few" ..

And most of the boxing media. And the other boxing forums.

Mayweather did the better work in more rounds than Oscar, so he deservedly won.

[CleanYourClock]

And most of the boxing media. And the other boxing forums.

Mayweather did the better work in more rounds than Oscar, so he deservedly won.

Sorry I wasn't mislead by the sound of two gloves hitting together ..
Sorry I didn't count those as shots landed for Floyd ... :dunno:
My bad ...

[valdosta]

Bro , its a hell of allot more then a few select people ...

Actually I have yet to even talk to ANYONE that thought Floyd won and it has been just about a month already ...

Actually the people that think Mayweather won are the "select few" ..

Which is why all the polls I have looked at had Floyd winning by a nice percentage. HMMMMMMMMMM......

[Double L]

Yeah and Holyfield also has a Draw Vs. Lennox Lewis ... :dunno:

:cheer:

see this is why it was a no-lose situation for ODH. there was no way PBF could beat him for real - the worst he was looking at was being on the "losing" end of a signature panzy performance by PBF.

and to think some people thought PBF was going to stop ODH. :laughing:

[Erratic]

Sorry I wasn't mislead by the sound of two gloves hitting together ..
Sorry I didn't count those as shots landed for Floyd ... :dunno:
My bad ...

All you yap about on this fight is how Floyd missed. Well, he still landed more shots than Oscar did. Oscar was even less accurate.

Tell me about how Oscar landed these nice shots.

[valdosta]

Yeah and Holyfield also has a Draw Vs. Lennox Lewis ... :dunno:

SO you are comparing Holy-Lewis I with Mayweather-ODLH? Kinda odd considering most think Floyd won and all think Holyfield lost. Keep trying though.

[valdosta]

:cheer:

see this is why it was a no-lose situation for ODH. there was no way PBF could beat him for real - the worst he was looking at was being on the "losing" end of a signature panzy performance by PBF.

and to think some people thought PBF was going to stop ODH. :laughing:

I never thought Floyd could stop ODLH. However, I think a pretty silly viewpoint going into the fight was "There's no way Floyd can win". You know anyone who thought that?

[Tam Tam]

180 posts in three days, Tyler.

16: Antonio Tarver: Eyes open or closed? :tease:

[Double L]

I never thought Floyd could stop ODLH. However, I think a pretty silly viewpoint going into the fight was "There's no way Floyd can win". You know anyone who thought that?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

uh, no. i can't think of anyone.

[Erratic]

SO you are comparing Holy-Lewis I with Mayweather-ODLH? Kinda odd considering most think Floyd won and all think Holyfield lost. Keep trying though.

I think even Holyfield knew that he lost.

Did you think you won the fight Evander?

"Well, the judges cards is what matter and don't nobody else opinion matter. The judges said neither man have done the job so it was a draw."

[CleanYourClock]

All you yap about on this fight is how Floyd missed. Well, he still landed more shots than Oscar did. Oscar was even less accurate.

Tell me about how Oscar landed these nice shots.

How do you know he landed more ? Because an idiot told you so ?
Is that how you know this ?