View Full Version : Miranda Blames Fever, Weight Issues for Bad Performance
cupey alto
05-29-2007, 02:24 PM
I would like to thank all of my fans for the hundreds of supportive emails I have received since my fight against Kelly Pavlik. For the first time in my life, as I made my way to the ring on May 19th, I did not have that killer instinct that I have had in my previous 29 professional fights. <!-- D(["mb","\u003cspan\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" color\u003d\"#0000ff\" size\u003d\"2\"\>*\u003c/font\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>\u003cspan\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>*\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>I went through very difficult times \n making the 160 lbs (Middle Weight) weight limit and had broken into a \n fever the night of the fight.* My energy was depleted.* I did \n not want to let down my fans as well as HBO, and I thought I still had \n enough in me to prove I was the best middle weight fighter in the \n world.\u003cspan\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" color\u003d\"#0000ff\" size\u003d\"2\"\>** \u003c/font\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>Unfortunately, I found myself \n against a very strong and aggressive opponent in Kelly Pavlik.* I did \n not possess what it took to keep him away, and he was able to take \n advantage of my obvious weakness that night.**\u003cspan\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" color\u003d\"#0000ff\" size\u003d\"2\"\>*\u003c/font\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>\u003cspan\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>*\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>Congratulations to Kelly on a great \n win.* There is still no doubt in my mind that when I am at 100% there \n is no fighter who can handle what I bring into the ring.* I will most \n likely return at 168lbs (Super Middle Weight) and be ready to face the \n best in that division.**\u003cspan\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" color\u003d\"#0000ff\" size\u003d\"2\"\>*\u003c/font\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>\u003cspan\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>*\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>Edison ‘Pantera’ Miranda will be a \n world champion soon!\u003cspan\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" color\u003d\"#0000ff\" size\u003d\"2\"\>*\u003c/font\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>\u003cspan\>*\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>",1] ); //-->
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Sore loser. Fuck Miranda.
Azazel
05-29-2007, 02:39 PM
Sore loser. Fuck Miranda.
I don't feel he's acting like a sore loser. He gave Pavlik credit, he only said that, when he's 100% no one at his weight can beat him, and every world class fighter should think like that
Baron
05-29-2007, 02:43 PM
Sore loser. Fuck Miranda.Seriously *Z*, and keep in mind I DON'T like Miranda, you don't think Miranda looked flat that night? I mean, I've seen most of his televised fight but he really seemed to lack energy and that from the opening bell. I might be wrong though but as an objective observer I really felt I wasn't seeing the best Miranda had to offer. It could be due to Pavlik and even at his best he might have not beaten Pavlik, but I can't help thinking that something wasn't right with him that night. I repeat, I can't stand the guy so I'm not trying to make up an excuse for him or anything. I've watched the fight 3 times already.
Haymaker
05-29-2007, 02:48 PM
I have no excuses......but....
:lol::lol::lol:
steve_dave
05-29-2007, 03:48 PM
I wish he was honest. He should have said that he lost because he doesn't know how to box.
Seriously *Z*, and keep in mind I DON'T like Miranda, you don't think Miranda looked flat that night? I mean, I've seen most of his televised fight but he really seemed to lack energy and that from the opening bell. I might be wrong though but as an objective observer I really felt I wasn't seeing the best Miranda had to offer. It could be due to Pavlik and even at his best he might have not beaten Pavlik, but I can't help thinking that something wasn't right with him that night. I repeat, I can't stand the guy so I'm not trying to make up an excuse for him or anything. I've watched the fight 3 times already.
It's hard to say. Yeah, he looked bad, but how much of that was because of Pavlik? Who has ever attacked Miranda like that from the opening bell? Who has forced him backward like that? You lose snap on your punches when you're being pressed backwards. Miranda always leads, he doesn't counter.
ElTerriblee
05-29-2007, 03:54 PM
So Amin Asikainen will be the new mandatory challenger for Abraham and likely fight him on August 18th.
Baron
05-29-2007, 03:55 PM
It's hard to say. Yeah, he looked bad, but how much of that was because of Pavlik? Who has ever attacked Miranda like that from the opening bell? Who has forced him backward like that? You lose snap on your punches when you're being pressed backwards. Miranda always leads, he doesn't counter.True, you're making a good point, Abraham moved him backward but not to that extent.
True, you're making a good point, Abraham moved him backward but not to that extent.
I really dislike Miranda though, it's hard for me to put any thought into posts about him. I'm so overwhelmed by hate. I'm like Double L when he talks about Floyd. :lol:
Ugotabe Kidding
05-29-2007, 04:22 PM
So Amin Asikainen will be the new mandatory challenger for Abraham and likely fight him on August 18th.
Exactly, which means Abraham will get spanked unless he pulls a Sylvester and tries to avoid the fight. Objectively viewing anyway
Octopus
05-29-2007, 04:25 PM
Seriously *Z*, and keep in mind I DON'T like Miranda, you don't think Miranda looked flat that night? .
The only THING that looked flat that night was Miranda's ass when Pavlik's cock got done slapping it:lol:
ElTerriblee
05-29-2007, 04:29 PM
Exactly, which means Abraham will get spanked unless he pulls a Sylvester and tries to avoid the fight. Objectively viewing anyway
Sylvester is scared. They have postponed the fight like 4-5 times and the fight with Abraham is only eight weeks later, so Asikainen will forfeit his title and Sylvester can fight a scrub for the vacant belt. Brilliant strategy by Sauerland.
I would have more respect for Asikainen, if he hadn´t struggled so badly with that bum Sipos. If Asikainen has any excuses for the poor perfomance, this is the thread for excuses.:lol:
Baron
05-29-2007, 04:30 PM
Sylvester is scared. They have postponed the fight like 4-5 times and the fight with Abraham is only eight weeks later, so Asikainen will forfeit his title and Sylvester can fight a scrub for the vacant belt. Brilliant strategy by Sauerland.
I would have more respect for Asikainen, if he hadn´t struggled so badly with that bum Sipos. If Asikainen has any excuses for the poor perfomance, this is the thread for excuses.:lol:Fever would do it for me, I'm gullible.
ElTerriblee
05-29-2007, 04:33 PM
Fever would do it for me, I'm gullible.
He sliced his wrists in an suicide attempt and lost a lot of blood. Always adjust the excuses to the national customs. :blobbox:
Pavlik was winning regardless, but there's no doubting that Miranda was weight drained. He looked like death at the weigh-in, and that was on his first try, when he was still almost a pound over.
Alabama_Man
05-29-2007, 05:34 PM
Anyone could see that Miranda was weight drained. I made a post about this right after the right. Shaky legs, gaunt face, no snap... he was totally drained.
Did it change the outcome of the fight? Probably not, but it did give Pavlik an advantage.
KaukipRrr
05-29-2007, 11:57 PM
:crafty: hoo hoo hoo hoo HOO!! go on, build him up again,..I don't mind, yes, yes he was weight drained, now he can be UNSTOPPABLE, UNBEATEABLE, at supermiddleweight,...there are no good fighters up there anyway...none whatsoever, as Illuminati says, it's the weakest division in boxing. :crafty:
valdosta
05-30-2007, 12:32 AM
I really dislike Miranda though, it's hard for me to put any thought into posts about him. I'm so overwhelmed by hate. I'm like Double L when he talks about Floyd. :lol:
It's OK, he will get beatdown several more times at 168 for everyone's pleasure as well :cheer: I could care less about excuses. Once you get into the ring you proclaim yourself fit and ready to fight.
REEDsART
05-30-2007, 04:15 PM
REED'll Say this...
If Miranda AND his Fans want to BELIEVE this Shit,then they have NO Recourse BUT to ALSO BELIEVE Allan Green's Excuse...
Can't Have it BOTH Ways...
REED:nono:
It's OK, he will get beatdown several more times at 168 for everyone's pleasure as well :cheer: I could care less about excuses. Once you get into the ring you proclaim yourself fit and ready to fight.
Agreed!
Boxing4Real
05-30-2007, 05:34 PM
I would like to thank all of my fans for the hundreds of supportive emails I have received since my fight against Kelly Pavlik. For the first time in my life, as I made my way to the ring on May 19th, I did not have that killer instinct that I have had in my previous 29 professional fights. <!-- D(["mb","\u003cspan\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" color\u003d\"#0000ff\" size\u003d\"2\"\>*\u003c/font\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>\u003cspan\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>*\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>I went through very difficult times \n making the 160 lbs (Middle Weight) weight limit and had broken into a \n fever the night of the fight.* My energy was depleted.* I did \n not want to let down my fans as well as HBO, and I thought I still had \n enough in me to prove I was the best middle weight fighter in the \n world.\u003cspan\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" color\u003d\"#0000ff\" size\u003d\"2\"\>** \u003c/font\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>Unfortunately, I found myself \n against a very strong and aggressive opponent in Kelly Pavlik.* I did \n not possess what it took to keep him away, and he was able to take \n advantage of my obvious weakness that night.**\u003cspan\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" color\u003d\"#0000ff\" size\u003d\"2\"\>*\u003c/font\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>\u003cspan\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>*\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>Congratulations to Kelly on a great \n win.* There is still no doubt in my mind that when I am at 100% there \n is no fighter who can handle what I bring into the ring.* I will most \n likely return at 168lbs (Super Middle Weight) and be ready to face the \n best in that division.**\u003cspan\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" color\u003d\"#0000ff\" size\u003d\"2\"\>*\u003c/font\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>\u003cspan\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>*\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>Edison ‘Pantera’ Miranda will be a \n world champion soon!\u003cspan\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" color\u003d\"#0000ff\" size\u003d\"2\"\>*\u003c/font\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ffffff\" size\u003d\"4\"\>\u003cspan\>\u003cspan\>*\u003c/span\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/p\>\n \u003cp style\u003d\"margin:0in 0in 0pt\"\>",1] ); //-->
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Free Ike
05-30-2007, 05:35 PM
I blame his total lack of skill and his overrated Punching power.
:bears:
Are you one of those rednecks from the boxing for real videos floating around? If so, I laugh at you. If not, disregard this post. :lol:
Azazel
05-30-2007, 06:17 PM
Anyone could see that Miranda was weight drained. I made a post about this right after the right. Shaky legs, gaunt face, no snap... he was totally drained.
Did it change the outcome of the fight? Probably not, but it did give Pavlik an advantage.
For once we agree. There was obviously something wrong with Miranda, he looked weak even before the bell sounded. But as of now, it's up to him to show that's why he lost by winning his next fights and hopefully setting up a rematch with Pavlik down the line.
For once we agree. There was obviously something wrong with Miranda, he looked weak even before the bell sounded. But as of now, it's up to him to show that's why he lost by winning his next fights and hopefully setting up a rematch with Pavlik down the line.
He should redeem himself by trying to get Abraham back in the ring. Then he can stop crying about being robbed in that fight.
Jzsn95x2
05-30-2007, 06:23 PM
REED'll Say this...
If Miranda AND his Fans want to BELIEVE this Shit,then they have NO Recourse BUT to ALSO BELIEVE Allan Green's Excuse...
Can't Have it BOTH Ways...
REED:nono:
What was Green's excuse? I must have missed it.
What was Green's excuse? I must have missed it.
He thought his feet fell off, he had to keep looking down to make sure they were still there.
Tam Tam
05-30-2007, 06:28 PM
What was Green's excuse? I must have missed it.
He was weight drained. Plus he's a vegan. He's always gonna look like he is some emo bitch with AIDS.
Trplsec
05-30-2007, 06:33 PM
It doesn't matter how many times he says "I give Pavlik credit", because he immediately tried to discredit Pavlik's win by offering an excuse..
My feeling with fighters that lose, or any athlete for that matter, is that if you make the decision to compete then keep the excuses to yourself. I don't care if you have your leg amputated during your ring walk. If you choose to hobble the rest of the way into the ring, then accept the consequences without excuse.
Free Ike
05-30-2007, 06:39 PM
It doesn't matter how many times he says "I give Pavlik credit", because he immediately tried to discredit Pavlik's win by offering an excuse..
My feeling with fighters that lose, or any athlete for that matter, is that if you make the decision to compete then keep the excuses to yourself. I don't care if you have your leg amputated during your ring walk. If you choose to hobble the rest of the way into the ring, then accept the consequences without excuse.
There are legit excuses. One is, if you break your hand or ankle or something IN THE RING. Jose Luis Castillo is a skilless bum with no undisouted/tainted victories over any elite fighter. He is still thought of as Elite, in spite of his complete lack of skill, because Floyd hurt both his arms in a fight with Castillo. fLOYD'S poor performance is excused because he humiliated Castillo when he was healthy. Mostly, I agree though. There are always excuses.
It doesn't matter how many times he says "I give Pavlik credit", because he immediately tried to discredit Pavlik's win by offering an excuse..
My feeling with fighters that lose, or any athlete for that matter, is that if you make the decision to compete then keep the excuses to yourself. I don't care if you have your leg amputated during your ring walk. If you choose to hobble the rest of the way into the ring, then accept the consequences without excuse.
Good post. I wish more boxers would just say "He whipped my ass tonight" and leave it at that. It's called being a man and taking your loss like a man.
Alabama_Man
05-30-2007, 07:21 PM
For once we agree. There was obviously something wrong with Miranda, he looked weak even before the bell sounded. But as of now, it's up to him to show that's why he lost by winning his next fights and hopefully setting up a rematch with Pavlik down the line.
We've never agreed before? :lol:
StingerKarl
05-30-2007, 07:52 PM
I don't mind fighters that talk shit, as long as they can back it up.
Edison couldn't versus Kelly, but I have a feeling he'll be back.
I would consider a change of trainers if I were him, and I think Nacho could make him into some kind of boxer-puncher, but I think Edison may be one of those kids who wants things his own way in the gym.
REEDsART
05-30-2007, 08:24 PM
What was Green's excuse? I must have missed it.He had Diarrhea,was on his Period,or SOME Shit...
REED:dunno:
valdosta
05-30-2007, 08:38 PM
Green had tons of excuses.
REEDsART
05-30-2007, 08:41 PM
Green had tons of excuses.U're RIGHT...
But REED's Point is,if Miranda Fans want to ACCEPT HIS Excuses,they HAVE to Accept Green's...
Can't Have it Both Ways....
REED:cool:
Trplsec
05-30-2007, 08:44 PM
U're RIGHT...
But REED's Point is,if Miranda Fans want to ACCEPT HIS Excuses,they HAVE to Accept Green's...
Can't Have it Both Ways....
REED:cool:
But, it bears mentioning that you are still lobbying for global acceptance of the Hurricane Ivan excuse..
:tease:
REEDsART
05-30-2007, 08:52 PM
But, it bears mentioning that you are still lobbying for global acceptance of the Hurricane Ivan excuse..
:tease:Shut Up,Offensive Lineman...
REED:lol:
valdosta
05-30-2007, 08:52 PM
U're RIGHT...
But REED's Point is,if Miranda Fans want to ACCEPT HIS Excuses,they HAVE to Accept Green's...
Can't Have it Both Ways....
REED:cool:
I agree but personally you already saw my views in this thread. If you are healthy enough to get in the ring and fight, no excuses.
REEDsART
05-30-2007, 09:01 PM
Just so we're CONSISTENT,REED FULLY Accepts Roy's "Weight Drained" Excuse vs Tarver AND Tarver's "Weight Drained" Excuse vs Bernard...
CONSISTENCY...
REED:tease:
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