Just Watched 'The Smashing Machine'...

[D MAN]

I just watched this movie, and Mark Kerr was such a fucking asshole that I absolutely wanted to see him have the pulp beaten out of him. Fortunately, I was not dissapointed, and he did in fact get the crap beaten out of him in every big fight he had.

I did not know anything about Mark Kerr previously, but I can honestly say I have zero sympathy for the guy.

Here's why I don't like him, in no particular order...


1) The guy disowned his family as soon as he got famous, and most of his friends.

2) He had no respect for his body, and abused illegal drugs, and no doubt pumped tonnes of steroids.

3) He complained about his wifes drug use, yet had no control over himself.

4) He did not have a high level of skill, relied mainly on (roid induced) strength and overbearing size to jump on his opponents and ground-and-pound them.

5) When showing one of his earlier fights, he GOUGED SOMEONES EYES WITH HIS THUMBS !!! IS/WAS THIS LEGAL ??? What a sick fuck...

6) When he lost his fight, he cried like a fucking little baby, whined and moaned to the ref, and showed grudging respect for the smaller, yet far more skilled opponent who beat him.

7) He wouldn't stop doing drugs, even the parts of the movie where he was "clean" I have no doubt he was still using.

8) He disrespected a great fighter in Bas Rutten by training with him, but clearly was not prepared to fight in his comeback.

9) He showed actual anger towards his opponents while fighting.. you could see it in his eyes.

10) He probably works as a drug collector and uses heroin regularly nowadays.



It was a pretty good movie though.. but it really is hard to have any respect for this character.

[mike_dave]

o lord...i wont even comment

[The Punisher]

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Comment MC, I have seen this documentary thing as well, and loved it, so I would like ot hear what you have to say.
:popcorn:

[Orion]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I just watched this movie, and Mark Kerr was such a fucking asshole that I absolutely wanted to see him have the pulp beaten out of him. Fortunately, I was not dissapointed, and he did in fact get the crap beaten out of him in every big fight he had.

I did not know anything about Mark Kerr previously, but I can honestly say I have zero sympathy for the guy.

Here's why I don't like him, in no particular order...
1) The guy disowned his family as soon as he got famous, and most of his friends.

2) He had no respect for his body, and abused illegal drugs, and no doubt pumped tonnes of steroids.

3) He complained about his wifes drug use, yet had no control over himself.

4) He did not have a high level of skill, relied mainly on (roid induced) strength and overbearing size to jump on his opponents and ground-and-pound them.

5) When showing one of his earlier fights, he GOUGED SOMEONES EYES WITH HIS THUMBS !!! IS/WAS THIS LEGAL ??? What a sick fuck...

6) When he lost his fight, he cried like a fucking little baby, whined and moaned to the ref, and showed grudging respect for the smaller, yet far more skilled opponent who beat him.

7) He wouldn't stop doing drugs, even the parts of the movie where he was "clean" I have no doubt he was still using.

8) He disrespected a great fighter in Bas Rutten by training with him, but clearly was not prepared to fight in his comeback.

9) He showed actual anger towards his opponents while fighting.. you could see it in his eyes.

10) He probably works as a drug collector and uses heroin regularly nowadays.
It was a pretty good movie though.. but it really is hard to have any respect for this character.
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I take it you're a little guy who really hates people that are bigger than you. That's all I gathered from your post.

[Tam-Tam]

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[TraZ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I just watched this movie, and Mark Kerr was such a fucking asshole that I absolutely wanted to see him have the pulp beaten out of him. Fortunately, I was not dissapointed, and he did in fact get the crap beaten out of him in every big fight he had.

I did not know anything about Mark Kerr previously, but I can honestly say I have zero sympathy for the guy.

Here's why I don't like him, in no particular order...
1) The guy disowned his family as soon as he got famous, and most of his friends.

2) He had no respect for his body, and abused illegal drugs, and no doubt pumped tonnes of steroids.

3) He complained about his wifes drug use, yet had no control over himself.

4) He did not have a high level of skill, relied mainly on (roid induced) strength and overbearing size to jump on his opponents and ground-and-pound them.

5) When showing one of his earlier fights, he GOUGED SOMEONES EYES WITH HIS THUMBS !!! IS/WAS THIS LEGAL ??? What a sick fuck...

6) When he lost his fight, he cried like a fucking little baby, whined and moaned to the ref, and showed grudging respect for the smaller, yet far more skilled opponent who beat him.

7) He wouldn't stop doing drugs, even the parts of the movie where he was "clean" I have no doubt he was still using.

8) He disrespected a great fighter in Bas Rutten by training with him, but clearly was not prepared to fight in his comeback.

9) He showed actual anger towards his opponents while fighting.. you could see it in his eyes.

10) He probably works as a drug collector and uses heroin regularly nowadays.
It was a pretty good movie though.. but it really is hard to have any respect for this character.
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you are a mental retard. wow.

[Pretty Boy]

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[Hanzy]

I don't know much about Kerr's personal life but he was indeed talented and had a competitive spirit. Some of your points don't make much sense anyway.

[Buddy Rydell]

I remember watching Kerr crush that guy in the UFC with a single knee to the head and thought "GEEZ, WHAT A MONSTER!!!!" Kerr was a pioneer of Ground and Pound with his knees and elbows. He was also apparently an excellent wrestler. I liked his story and he seemed like a good guy to me.

[Dpl198274]

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isnt that your boy Mike?

[Son of Payton]

Is this available to rent or anything? I've heard about it for a while, and I've always wanted to see it.

[Dpl198274]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Is this available to rent or anything? I've heard about it for a while, and I've always wanted to see it.
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yeah, its on DVD....blockbuster should have it

[The Punisher]

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Its good shit.

[D MAN]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I take it you're a little guy who really hates people that are bigger than you. That's all I gathered from your post.
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No you're wrong.

[D MAN]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>you are a mental retard. wow.
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Yeah Traz you're right it IS cool to be a heroine addict with no control over your life.

Post a coherent sentence before you start calling other people retards.

[D MAN]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I remember watching Kerr crush that guy in the UFC with a single knee to the head and thought "GEEZ, WHAT A MONSTER!!!!" Kerr was a pioneer of Ground and Pound with his knees and elbows. He was also apparently an excellent wrestler. I liked his story and he seemed like a good guy to me.
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I liked his story too.. and it seemed like he was trying to act like a good guy.. but actions speak much louder than words, and the things he did in and out of the ring were that of a coward.

[Hanzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah Traz you're right it IS cool to be a heroine addict with no control over your life.

Post a coherent sentence before you start calling other people retards.
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You're much too harsh on Kerr. The man is a born fighter, not a damn priest. The sport that he competes in is one of the toughest and most dangerous forms of competition in the world. Ok, so he fought with anger. Big deal? That's a norm in combat sports. He had a tough life, he had to make his own way to acheive what he wanted. His skill level was just fine, he was one of the more talented fighters in the world at his peak, and no, steroids are not the reason he won fights. He won with skills, strength and talent, not by using the Popeye "eat spinach, get strong, and Wallop!" :D If it was that easy, bigger and stronger men than Kerr would've dominated the scene but they didn't.
As for your other points, that's hypothetical. You're using claims like "I have no doubt" and "he probably...." in order to illustrate your points. You're trying to use any and every possible excuse to hate on him.
That's no road for a man to go. :wink:

[Hanzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I liked his story too.. and it seemed like he was trying to act like a good guy.. but actions speak much louder than words, and the things he did in and out of the ring were that of a coward.
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He was a coward? And what are you D MAN? Are you a world class talent in any particular sport? Have you competed at the top level in martial arts or any kind of combat sport? Let us know, we want to know more about you. You are a much better man than Kerr obviously since you talk so much. :biggthumbup:
Or are you trying to make yourself feel high and mighty by putting him down? Hmmm?

[Buddy Rydell]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I liked his story too.. and it seemed like he was trying to act like a good guy.. but actions speak much louder than words, and the things he did in and out of the ring were that of a coward.
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There was no rule against widening orifices or bodily openings at the time in question, and I don't believe it was an eye socket. It was a cut that he widened....as do many boxers when they target a wound. As for him trying to be nice, they showed how he would occasionally act like an arsehole, but you're talking about guys whose sole objective is to win in a sport where permanent injuries are commonplace. It's natural to be tightly-wound and hostile. The pressure of knowing you're going into a ring with an opponent who wants to choke you out, knock you out, or snap one of your bones can really get to some people. Others build up an immunity over time and shrug it off.

As for him disrespecting Bas Rutten, I disagree. He trained with him and Bas even said himself that he would like to keep Kerr there longer to watch over him. If Bas didn't feel disrespected by training with the guy, then why should anyone else feel it FOR Bas???

[Orion]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah Traz you're right it IS cool to be a heroine addict with no control over your life.

Post a coherent sentence before you start calling other people retards.
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Ouch. :D

[Orion]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>You're much too harsh on Kerr. The man is a born fighter, not a damn priest. The sport that he competes in is one of the toughest and most dangerous forms of competition in the world. Ok, so he fought with anger. Big deal? That's a norm in combat sports. He had a tough life, he had to make his own way to acheive what he wanted. His skill level was just fine, he was one of the more talented fighters in the world at his peak, and no, steroids are not the reason he won fights. He won with skills, strength and talent, not by using the Popeye "eat spinach, get strong, and Wallop!" :D If it was that easy, bigger and stronger men than Kerr would've dominated the scene but they didn't.
As for your other points, that's hypothetical. You're using claims like "I have no doubt" and "he probably...." in order to illustrate your points. You're trying to use any and every possible excuse to hate on him.
That's no road for a man to go. :wink:
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Good post.

[Orion]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>He was a coward? And what are you D MAN? Are you a world class talent in any particular sport? Have you competed at the top level in martial arts or any kind of combat sport? Let us know, we want to know more about you. You are a much better man than Kerr obviously since you talk so much. :biggthumbup:
Or are you trying to make yourself feel high and mighty by putting him down? Hmmm?
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I agree, its tough to judge people sometimes until you've been in their shoes.

[Hanzy]

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That's unfortunately the way of the world, Orion. Nobody visualizes being in another person's shoes before they spout off with their bullshit.

[D MAN]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>You're much too harsh on Kerr. The man is a born fighter, not a damn priest. The sport that he competes in is one of the toughest and most dangerous forms of competition in the world. Ok, so he fought with anger. Big deal? That's a norm in combat sports. He had a tough life, he had to make his own way to acheive what he wanted. His skill level was just fine, he was one of the more talented fighters in the world at his peak, and no, steroids are not the reason he won fights. He won with skills, strength and talent, not by using the Popeye "eat spinach, get strong, and Wallop!" :D If it was that easy, bigger and stronger men than Kerr would've dominated the scene but they didn't.
As for your other points, that's hypothetical. You're using claims like "I have no doubt" and "he probably...." in order to illustrate your points. You're trying to use any and every possible excuse to hate on him.
That's no road for a man to go. :wink:
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Well I said right away that I do not know anything about Kerr except for what was shown in this movie.. and my impression was based solely on this movie.. did he not:
a) do heroine or opiate derivitives regularly from addiction

b) gouge someones eys (call it what you want but his thumbs were right in that guys eye sockets)

c) cry and whine after he lost his first fight

d) maintian minimal contact with his friends and family...

If you have a dispute to any of these claims then come forward.. gain I said I've only seen this movie, which possibly highlighted the downslope of his career alot more than his prime.. and I really didn't see a huge pile of talent and skill... prove me wrong..

[D MAN]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>He was a coward? And what are you D MAN? Are you a world class talent in any particular sport? Have you competed at the top level in martial arts or any kind of combat sport? Let us know, we want to know more about you. You are a much better man than Kerr obviously since you talk so much. :biggthumbup:
Or are you trying to make yourself feel high and mighty by putting him down? Hmmm?
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No this has nothing to do with me. When I see fighters in MMA and boxing they generally carry themselves with a great deal of self-respect, pride and courage. I failed to see this in Mark Kerr.

[D MAN]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I agree, its tough to judge people sometimes until you've been in their shoes.
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Everybody has a tough life at some point and it's how you deal with it that defines you as a person.

[Orion]

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It did what he had to do. He made plenty of money and had a successul career, what he's doing today is nothing more than speculation.

[Orion]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Well I said right away that I do not know anything about Kerr except for what was shown in this movie.. and my impression was based solely on this movie.. did he not:
a) do heroine or opiate derivitives regularly from addiction

b) gouge someones eys (call it what you want but his thumbs were right in that guys eye sockets)

c) cry and whine after he lost his first fight

d) maintian minimal contact with his friends and family...

If you have a dispute to any of these claims then come forward.. gain I said I've only seen this movie, which possibly highlighted the downslope of his career alot more than his prime.. and I really didn't see a huge pile of talent and skill... prove me wrong..
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1. Yes, he was using painkillers and its probably more common than you think among pro MMA fighters, so don't think he was the only one doing it.

2. If gouging eyes were legal at that time, what's the problem?

3. Nothing wrong with crying after defeat, especially if its something your put your heart and soul in, pro athletes cry all the time.

4. I only maintain minimal contact with friends and family too, not everyone has a wonderful relationship with their relatives and friends often end up stabbing you in the back anyway.



Always two sides to every coin, you watched the movie and left with a closed mind. Obviously none of this relates to your life or anyone you've been around so you can't comprehend it.

[D MAN]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>1. Yes, he was using painkillers and its probably more common than you think among pro MMA fighters, so don't think he was the only one doing it.

2. If gouging eyes were legal at that time, what's the problem?

3. Nothing wrong with crying after defeat, especially if its something your put your heart and soul in, pro athletes cry all the time.

4. I only maintain minimal contact with friends and family too, not everyone has a wonderful relationship with their relatives and friends often end up stabbing you in the back anyway.
Always two sides to every coin, you watched the movie and left with a closed mind. Obviously none of this relates to your life or anyone you've been around so you can't comprehend it.
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1. He was a total addict he injected the stuff up all the time in between fights, this was obvious, he checked into rehab for several months = heroine addict.

2. Was gouging eyes legal ? This is an honest question, I seriously doubt it was...

3. Yeah nothing wrong with just crying, but he was a crying like a baby cries when they don't get what they want for christmas, out of pity for himself, blaming everyone else... even though afterwards people affirmed that he trained very little for the fight.

4. Sounds to me like his relatives and especially friends were all trying to reach out to him, but he was too self-indulged with his addiction and high lifestyle to bother with them... thankfully they were good people who came to his side when he was in rehab.

[KauKipRr]

I only saw Kerr in pride,.. and he was UNBEARABLE to watch,.. absolutley horrenderous I wanted to spew he turned me off the fucking sport for good I thought until Daijiro Matsui fought on the same card...

Ps: Vovchanchyn may have been the lesser of the two evils in that nightmare against Kerr,.. but he is indeed one of the most overrated fighters of all time,..a bum could enter the ring and beat him on any given night,...and did,.. the war wound leper Tra Telligman out slugged him.

[tko1]

actually eye gouging might have been legal. I remember seeing some fighters profiles and seeing that they won by chin to eye.

[Dpl198274]

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Here's why I don't like him, in no particular order...
1) The guy disowned his family as soon as he got famous, and most of his friends.

2) He had no respect for his body, and abused illegal drugs, and no doubt pumped tonnes of steroids.

3) He complained about his wifes drug use, yet had no control over himself.

4) He did not have a high level of skill, relied mainly on (roid induced) strength and overbearing size to jump on his opponents and ground-and-pound them.

5) When showing one of his earlier fights, he GOUGED SOMEONES EYES WITH HIS THUMBS !!! IS/WAS THIS LEGAL ??? What a sick fuck...

6) When he lost his fight, he cried like a fucking little baby, whined and moaned to the ref, and showed grudging respect for the smaller, yet far more skilled opponent who beat him.

7) He wouldn't stop doing drugs, even the parts of the movie where he was "clean" I have no doubt he was still using.

8) He disrespected a great fighter in Bas Rutten by training with him, but clearly was not prepared to fight in his comeback.

9) He showed actual anger towards his opponents while fighting.. you could see it in his eyes.

10) He probably works as a drug collector and uses heroin regularly nowadays.
It was a pretty good movie though.. but it really is hard to have any respect for this character.
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1. Many people dont have a high level of contact with his family and at no time does it say that he lost contact when he started making money. He could have distanced himself long before that, like when his mother died.

2. A lot of people do a lot worse to their bodies.

3. He was trying to better himself and she was OBVIOUSLY a NEGATIVE influence on his life.

4. He was a GREAT wrestler, wrestling is a skill.

5. When Ali held the back of someone's head was that legal?

6. The movie made it clear that what Igor did was an illegal tactic. They showed Kerr talking to Igor after the fight and showing a GREAT deal of respect towards him. As far as crying, thats life, its happens all the time.

7. No doubt, huh??? Whatever, dependency isnt as easy as some "perfect-worlders" make it out to be.

8. Bas didnt seem to hurt by it and you shouldnt be either. Kerr honestly LOOKED like he was in much better shape in the comeback fight.

9. :D :YeahRight:

10. He is dealing on my block right now.....if you would follow the sport you would have known that he was still working with other fighters trying to help them with their ground game for some time after that, and may still be today

[Orion]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>1. He was a total addict he injected the stuff up all the time in between fights, this was obvious, he checked into rehab for several months = heroine addict.

2. Was gouging eyes legal ? This is an honest question, I seriously doubt it was...

3. Yeah nothing wrong with just crying, but he was a crying like a baby cries when they don't get what they want for christmas, out of pity for himself, blaming everyone else... even though afterwards people affirmed that he trained very little for the fight.

4. Sounds to me like his relatives and especially friends were all trying to reach out to him, but he was too self-indulged with his addiction and high lifestyle to bother with them... thankfully they were good people who came to his side when he was in rehab.
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Again, two sides to every coin, you apparently see it YOUR way.

[D MAN]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>answers....

1. Many people dont have a high level of contact with his family and at no time does it say that he lost contact when he started making money. He could have distanced himself long before that, like when his mother died.

2. A lot of people do a lot worse to their bodies.

3. He was trying to better himself and she was OBVIOUSLY a NEGATIVE influence on his life.

4. He was a GREAT wrestler, wrestling is a skill.

5. When Ali held the back of someone's head was that legal?

6. The movie made it clear that what Igor did was an illegal tactic. They showed Kerr talking to Igor after the fight and showing a GREAT deal of respect towards him. As far as crying, thats life, its happens all the time.

7. No doubt, huh??? Whatever, dependency isnt as easy as some "perfect-worlders" make it out to be.

8. Bas didnt seem to hurt by it and you shouldnt be either. Kerr honestly LOOKED like he was in much better shape in the comeback fight.

9. :D :YeahRight:

10. He is dealing on my block right now.....if you would follow the sport you would have known that he was still working with other fighters trying to help them with their ground game for some time after that, and may still be today
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1. It doens't have to say it explicitly it is obvious that he didn't care to stay in touch with his former family and friends and they were upset by it.

2. Uhm... is this the best you can come up with ?

3. This is hard to say for sure, both at times were "clean" while the other kept using, and both acted as if the other was a bad influence. Both had issues and neither helped each other, but both seemed eager to lay blame for their addictions on each other..

4. Yes he did have very good wrestling skills apparently (this I'm just going off what I'm being told because I didn't really see alot of great wrestling in the fights they showed of his...), however, he did not seem to win fights with wrestling, but rather with overbearing size and ground and pound.

5. When you j-walk is it legal ? No... but j-walking isn't the same as gouging someone's eyes with your thumbs..

6. Yes Igor pulled an illegal move.. but the fight was clearly in the bag for Igor before that occured. I can see why Kerr was pissed about it...

7. I'm sure dependency is hard to deal with, but most self-respecting people will not get themselves into that situation.

8. Yeah I agree.. this was a weak point.

9. I think he did...

10. He's dealing on your block ?? Good.. at least he's not selling crank on MY street corner.

[Buddy Rydell]

1. He didn't disown his family, but he minimized contact with them. If you come from a bad or abusive family, this is usually the way to go. I don't know if it was in his case, but he didn't do it when he got "famous". Also, his friends were people who he knew when he was younger. One of those friends also trained with him and competed against him. That friend was Mark Coleman. They spent a fair amount of time together and Kerr was even working Coleman's corner from time to time. He didn't desert his friends.

2. If you are going to get up his ass for abusing drugs, then you have to do the same for everyone who smokes or drinks alcohol. Alcohol is a drug that poisons your body, and many people abuse it.....that's what hangovers result from.

3. See #2. He wanted her to stop because it was a bad influence on him when HE was trying to stop. What's wrong with not wanting family members to not use drugs when you are trying to quit? :wacko:

4. He had a VERY high level of skill and was a great wrestler who also crosstrained and learned other combat disciplines, including knees, punches, and muay thai clinches.

5. He didn't gouge the person's eyes! He opened a cut deeper, and that happens all the time in boxing when fighters target a cut. They also target the nose and eyes, so he wasn't exactly biting someone's ear off. He was competing by the rules.

6. He lost because he was illegally struck with knees behind the head. Vovchanchin kneed him three times, and knees were illegal from that position. If you have never cried after a loss, then you were never that emotionally involved. It is natural to cry sometimes...like RJJ did when he was cheated in Seoul.

7. He tried to stop...and even if he wasn't successful, he had the same problem that millions of other people have when they are trying to stop using drugs. The drugs that he abused were the ones that were painkillers...and if you have a lot of bodily pain, they are hard to stop.

8. How did he disrespect Bas? By training with him? Training with someone means you respect them enough to seek their experience and help. You're wrong about this one from the get go, dude.

9. MANY fighters show anger towards their opponents while fighting. It is natural to do so because you are stressed out by the fact that the other guy is trying to beat you in a combat sport. Why WOULDN'T you show anger? Anger is a great motivator....remember Cus D'Amato's "fear and fire" philosophy?

10. As for your assumption that he is a drug dealer/drug collector...it's untrue and you're just looking to flick shit at the guy....unclassy! He has released training tapes and has continued to compete in MMA.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I just watched this movie, and Mark Kerr was such a fucking asshole that I absolutely wanted to see him have the pulp beaten out of him. Fortunately, I was not dissapointed, and he did in fact get the crap beaten out of him in every big fight he had.

I did not know anything about Mark Kerr previously, but I can honestly say I have zero sympathy for the guy.

Here's why I don't like him, in no particular order...
1) The guy disowned his family as soon as he got famous, and most of his friends.

2) He had no respect for his body, and abused illegal drugs, and no doubt pumped tonnes of steroids.

3) He complained about his wifes drug use, yet had no control over himself.

4) He did not have a high level of skill, relied mainly on (roid induced) strength and overbearing size to jump on his opponents and ground-and-pound them.

5) When showing one of his earlier fights, he GOUGED SOMEONES EYES WITH HIS THUMBS !!! IS/WAS THIS LEGAL ??? What a sick fuck...

6) When he lost his fight, he cried like a fucking little baby, whined and moaned to the ref, and showed grudging respect for the smaller, yet far more skilled opponent who beat him.

7) He wouldn't stop doing drugs, even the parts of the movie where he was "clean" I have no doubt he was still using.

8) He disrespected a great fighter in Bas Rutten by training with him, but clearly was not prepared to fight in his comeback.

9) He showed actual anger towards his opponents while fighting.. you could see it in his eyes.

10) He probably works as a drug collector and uses heroin regularly nowadays.
It was a pretty good movie though.. but it really is hard to have any respect for this character.
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[CrazyAZNRedneck]

You act like people get born with size and strength. I was around 120 when I started lifting 6 years ago, I'm 240 now. He worked as hard for his strength as any BJJ fight.

He complained about his wife's drug habits, because he was trying to get clean and her goin' out drinking, doing lines, etc. is not the best atmosphere for a former addict.

[Dpl198274]

Just watched Pirde FC 4, where Kerr fought Duarte..... :D


What a fuckin embarrasment.......anything interesting said about that at the time it happened?

[D MAN]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Again, two sides to every coin, you apparently see it YOUR way.
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Brilliant observation.