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The Cuban Hawk
06-11-2007, 12:50 PM
This is the fight I really want to see (assuming Margarito gets by Paul Williams of course). Cotto seems to be more polished and technically superior, but his chin will always be a huge question mark and Margarito may be the hardest puncher he has yet faced. On one hand, I can see Cotto outboxing/outclassing Margarito, but there's always a good chance Margarito can tap Cotto's chin and Cotto won't recover from it this time.

Thoughts?

*Z*
06-11-2007, 01:00 PM
If Margarito can get by Williams this is THE fight at welterweight. We all know Floyd isn't fighting either of these guys. The reward does not match the risk.

KaukipRrr
06-11-2007, 01:32 PM
Margarito wont stop throwing goodies:crafty: , and if he hurts Cotto, and Miguel takes 2 minutes wobbling around the ring trying to recover, that's an awful lot of time for a great finisher like Margarito to really do some serious damage, punching up and down through his guard the way he will, with no such a thing as Margarito punching himself out.:crafty: ,..I'd like to think that Margarito would knock Cotto unconcious, but realistically, he'll probably just buzz his nervous system every round, I'd have to pick Cotto's heart, will, and resilience to carry him the distance, but he'll never recover from this brutal loss.

Hex-One
06-11-2007, 01:34 PM
Margarito wont stop throwing goodies:crafty: , and if he hurts Cotto, and Miguel takes 2 minutes wobbling around the ring trying to recover, that's an awful lot of time for a great finisher like Margarito to really do some serious damage, punching up and down through his guard the way he will, with no such a thing as Margarito punching himself out.:crafty: ,..I'd like to think that Margarito would knock Cotto unconcious, but realistically, he'll probably just buzz his nervous system every round, I'd have to pick Cotto's heart, will, and resilience to carry him the distance, but he'll never recover from this brutal loss.:rolleyes:

Double L
06-11-2007, 02:18 PM
this is the fight i want to see too. and if i had to make a pick right now, it'd be margarito.

Eaner v2.0
06-11-2007, 02:28 PM
from what I gather this is the fight that will happen in November when Margarito gets past Williams as both guys agreed in prinicple to the terms. Should be at MSG as Margarito stated he will fight Cotto wherever they want him to and Arum liked the atmosphere the Garden had over the weekend

Camp has been going really well. They slowed it down last week after three weeks of heavy sparring. Two guys have left one due to injury and the other because we got better guys coming in this week. One a prospect out of NM and the other one of Marshall Kauffman's kids. Rodney Jones is spending his last week at camp this week and then we bring in Sergio Martinez next week

jaws1216
06-11-2007, 02:36 PM
Cotto will kill Margarito...Styles mismatch

mexican wedding shirt
06-11-2007, 02:37 PM
Cotto.

joony
06-11-2007, 02:43 PM
we'll see how well Margarito does against an elite fighter. so far he's done a hell of a job beating down B level opposition. i still think he wins, but it's another pick'em fight.

margarito would've beaten down judah in a similar fashion if not easier.

KaukipRrr
06-11-2007, 02:47 PM
from what I gather this is the fight that will happen in November when Margarito gets past Williams as both guys agreed in prinicple to the terms. Should be at MSG as Margarito stated he will fight Cotto wherever they want him to and Arum liked the atmosphere the Garden had over the weekend

Camp has been going really well. They slowed it down last week after three weeks of heavy sparring. Two guys have left one due to injury and the other because we got better guys coming in this week. One a prospect out of NM and the other one of Marshall Kauffman's kids. Rodney Jones is spending his last week at camp this week and then we bring in Sergio Martinez next week

:crafty: How the tides have turned!!, these days he uses Rodney Jones as a mere sparring partner!!!!, were the sessions competitive Eaner?, or did Margarito make him feel the difference?..:crafty:

KaukipRrr
06-11-2007, 02:59 PM
we'll see how well Margarito does against an elite fighter. so far he's done a hell of a job beating down B level opposition. i still think he wins, but it's another pick'em fight.

margarito would've beaten down judah in a similar fashion if not easier.

Well Joon, people seemed to oddly embrace and celebrate the fact that Margarito had to choose Paul Williams due to disputes between his promoter and management, and I think Cintron and Clottey are probably better opponents than Cotto has ever faced in his career to date, :nono: so i don't know about 'B-level' competition, especially in comparison to Cotto?..:nono:

REEDsART
06-11-2007, 03:01 PM
Cotto will kill Margarito...Styles mismatchYep...

Waaaaaaaaay Tooooooooo EASY to Hit...Looooooooooong Frame which Makes him Susceptible to Cotto's Punishing Bodyshots...& Cotto Would Actually have a SPEED Advantage N this Bout...

U have to B MORE than just Tough & Durable to Beat Miguel Cotto...& Besides All that,Cotto would B THE 1st Big Fight Margarito's EVER Had...HOW will he React to that Environment??...It's Easy to SAY it Won't Affect U,but 1nce U're THERE,it's Usually a Different Story...

Margarito will have his MOMENTS,but Ultimately Cotto STOPS him Late or Gets a UD...



REED:cool:

REEDsART
06-11-2007, 03:03 PM
:crafty: How the tides have turned!!, these days he uses Rodney Jones as a mere sparring partner!!!!, were the sessions competitive Eaner?, or did Margarito make him feel the difference?..:crafty:There ya Go...

Get All MOIST btwn the Legs Over SPARRING...Lord Knows U DON'T have ANY Fights to Get Excited Over...

Clottey???...Santos???...Cintron???...Diaz???...


REED:lol:

joony
06-11-2007, 03:06 PM
Well Joon, people seemed to oddly embrace and celebrate the fact that Margarito had to choose Paul Williams due to disputes between his promoter and management, and I think Cintron and Clottey are probably better opponents than Cotto has ever faced in his career to date, :nono: so i don't know about 'B-level' competition, especially in comparison to Cotto?..:nono:

Margarito's best wins:

Cintron - B level
Clottey - B level
Lewis - C+ (F level chin)
Diaz - C+/B-

Cotto's best wins:

Paulie - C+ at the time
Torres - C+
N'Dou - C+/B-
Judah - B+ (but on a losing streak)

Judah is better than Clottey or Cintron imo. Clottey is just tough, but I think Judah would've beaten him. Not sure about now tho.

puerto rock
06-11-2007, 03:09 PM
Cotto would win and BAD... I think Margarito would have his moments and all but he would really take a brutal beating.


Cotto via UD.

Haymaker
06-11-2007, 03:12 PM
Yep...

Waaaaaaaaay Tooooooooo EASY to Hit...Looooooooooong Frame which Makes him Susceptible to Cotto's Punishing Bodyshots...& Cotto Would Actually have a SPEED Advantage N this Bout...

U have to B MORE than just Tough & Durable to Beat Miguel Cotto...& Besides All that,Cotto would B THE 1st Big Fight Margarito's EVER Had...HOW will he React to that Environment??...It's Easy to SAY it Won't Affect U,but 1nce U're THERE,it's Usually a Different Story...

Margarito will have his MOMENTS,but Ultimately Cotto STOPS him Late or Gets a UD...



REED:cool:

The "1st big fight" theory in boxing is utter bullshit, it's been plausible in a very limited number of Big Fights, and the better fighter ended up winning most of the times. But yes, you're right, margarito's arm lenght will play into Cotto's hands, that way Cotto will demolish him on the inside game. Ripping hellacious body shots and crippling left hooks that will make margarito's legs melt like margarine under the hot sun.

joony
06-11-2007, 03:13 PM
There ya Go...

Get All MOIST btwn the Legs Over SPARRING...Lord Knows U DON'T have ANY Fights to Get Excited Over...

Clottey???...Santos???...Cintron???...Diaz???...


REED:lol:

you can laugh at margarito's opposition, but let's face it, the guy's been calling out big names for years and when he finally got a significant fight against Cintron (whom many picked to win), he blew him out with ease.

granted, cotto's better than cintron, but maragarito's reign's been solid and consistent throughout and have proven to be a world class fighter imo. i expect him to take care of business on the 14th and at worst, give cotto a hell of a fight if not win.

lb 4 lb
06-11-2007, 03:14 PM
Margarito's best wins:

Cintron - B level
Clottey - B level
Lewis - C+ (F level chin)
Diaz - C+/B-

Cotto's best wins:

Paulie - C+ at the time
Torres - C+
N'Dou - C+/B-
Judah - B+ (but on a losing streak)

Judah is better than Clottey or Cintron imo. Clottey is just tough, but I think Judah would've beaten him. Not sure about now tho.
Clottey doesn't belong on Margarito's best win list. He belongs on Margarito's worst wins list. :lol: Plus I would rank Clottey an A-/B+ fighter. He beat Chico and will be avoided by everyone else in the division like the plague, mark my words.

KaukipRrr
06-11-2007, 03:18 PM
You will all be very, very very sorry,.....very very sorry indeed.





...very, very sorry..

Double L
06-11-2007, 03:29 PM
we'll see how well Margarito does against an elite fighter. so far he's done a hell of a job beating down B level opposition. i still think he wins, but it's another pick'em fight.

margarito would've beaten down judah in a similar fashion if not easier.

Clottey is better than Judah - far better.

Cotto/Clottey is pick-em if you ask me.

Double L
06-11-2007, 03:30 PM
anyone who claims Judah is better than Clottey is insane.

joony
06-11-2007, 03:30 PM
You will all be very, very very sorry,.....very very sorry indeed.





...very, very sorry..

who's 'you'? I said in my posts that I like margarito to win. clottey is an A/B+ level fighter based on his win over a SHOT/winless Corrales?

KaukipRrr
06-11-2007, 03:37 PM
who's 'you'? I said in my posts that I like margarito to win. clottey is an A/B+ level fighter based on his win over a SHOT/winless Corrales?

Reed^, Lib four Lib^, Joon^, Fraud groupies^, the Puerto Ricans^, Latinking^......but that's ok, it's ok....

it's ok...



it's ok...
...

jarhead
06-11-2007, 03:54 PM
I would take Clottey to win against Zab and Cintron.


Cotto beats Margarito. It would be similar to the Margarito/Clottey fight but with Cotto just being better than Clottey. We all know how easy Clottey hit Margarito. Cotto would bust him up badly.

*Z*
06-11-2007, 03:54 PM
Margarito will beat Cotto. He's the biggest, strongest guy cotto will have ever faced. If Cotto though Ricardo Torres hit hard, wait until he feels Margaritos punches.

*Z*
06-11-2007, 03:55 PM
I would take Clottey to win against Zab and Cintron.


Cotto beats Margarito. It would be similar to the Margarito/Clottey fight but with Cotto just being better than Clottey. We all know how easy Clottey hit Margarito. Cotto would bust him up badly.

Clottey has a good chin, Cotto, not so much.

Eaner v2.0
06-11-2007, 04:13 PM
:crafty: How the tides have turned!!, these days he uses Rodney Jones as a mere sparring partner!!!!, were the sessions competitive Eaner?, or did Margarito make him feel the difference?..:crafty:

let's see

Andy Kolle- split his lip and required 8 stitches. Some of it do to the mouthpiece Andy rocked but a lot of from the over right Tony dropped on him. Had given Tony the best offensive look as Andy has gotten a lot better since his fight with Andre Ward.

Rodney Jones- he and I have become good friends and I asked him honestly if he has seen a difference in Tony and he said yes everything is much more in terms of strength, relentlessness, skillset, and even speed. Granted Tony was 19 when they fought but he said Tony is vastly improved and has the skill to beat Williams provided he stays with constant pressure and not all out brawling

ammy out of Minn- couldn't go full sparring rounds with Tony as body shots were taking their toll on him

Craig McEwan- guy helped Manfredo sparring against Calzaghe. Same as above the pressure Tony is putting on these guys is tough to handle

I disagree with the guy that says that it would be the same as the Clottey fight. Clottey's left hook comes at a faster rate and he doubles it far faster than Cotto. Cotto's is more damaging by a long shot but it is a bit more telegraphed.

also anyone really mentioning Clottey's hand issues it amazes me that he yet fights four months later and never mentions his hands being better or what exactly the injury was. Tony also had two injuries to deal with as well but never made mention of them until after it was done

joony
06-11-2007, 04:15 PM
Reed^, Lib four Lib^, Joon^, Fraud groupies^, the Puerto Ricans^, Latinking^......but that's ok, it's ok....

it's ok...



it's ok...
...

guess you dont know how to read?

REEDsART
06-11-2007, 04:43 PM
you can laugh at margarito's opposition, but let's face it, the guy's been calling out big names for years and when he finally got a significant fight against Cintron (whom many picked to win), he blew him out with ease.

granted, cotto's better than cintron, but maragarito's reign's been solid and consistent throughout and have proven to be a world class fighter imo. i expect him to take care of business on the 14th and at worst, give cotto a hell of a fight if not win.Sorry,but REED Doesn't Give Credit for "Calling Out" People,ESPECIALLY When those Same "Big Names" have Managed to Face EACH OTHER...

Margarito should Blame his PROMOTER for his Shitty Resume,Instead of the "Big Names"...


REED:cool:

REEDsART
06-11-2007, 04:45 PM
Margarito will beat Cotto. He's the biggest, strongest guy cotto will have ever faced. If Cotto though Ricardo Torres hit hard, wait until he feels Margaritos punches.Margarito IS NOT a "Puncher"...WHERE is the Evidence of this???...

He DOESN'T Punch like Ricardo Torres...OR Zab,for that Matter...On a "10" Scale,Margarito's a "7" @ Best...


REED:cool:

KaukipRrr
06-11-2007, 05:00 PM
Sorry,but REED Doesn't Give Credit for "Calling Out" People,ESPECIALLY When those Same "Big Names" have Managed to Face EACH OTHER...

Margarito should Blame his PROMOTER for his Shitty Resume,Instead of the "Big Names"...


REED:cool:

:crafty: Pssssst Reed,..

I may be a glutton for punishment, but what's the best name on Cotto's resume again please?...

ILLUMINATI
06-11-2007, 08:56 PM
Cotto/Clottey is pick-em if you ask me.

Cotto vs. Castillo is a mismatch and you know it...Cotto by KO....

Double L
06-11-2007, 08:58 PM
Cotto vs. Castillo is a mismatch and you know it...Cotto by KO....

by virtue of Cotto's strength i'd have to think so - but at 140? with 8 oz gloves? not so sure.

ILLUMINATI
06-11-2007, 09:02 PM
by virtue of Cotto's strength i'd have to think so - but at 140? with 8 oz gloves? not so sure.

nah...you are sure of the outcome...Cotto by KO...late..8oz gloves much, much worst for Castillo..

Double L
06-11-2007, 09:06 PM
nah...you are sure of the outcome...Cotto by KO...late..8oz gloves much, much worst for Castillo..

ok. Cotto goes life and death with Torres, gets zonked by Corley, and goes the distance with Paulie, and gets chased out of the ring by N'dou, but he's gonna KO Castillo without question? I don't think so.

ILLUMINATI
06-11-2007, 09:15 PM
ok. Cotto goes life and death with Torres, gets zonked by Corley, and goes the distance with Paulie, and gets chased out of the ring by N'dou, but he's gonna KO Castillo without question? I don't think so.

yes...cause Castillo barely, barely beat Ngoudjo....the same Ngoudjo that got a gift decision a few days ago against Randall BAILEY...:popcorn:..now if Castillo beat Hatton you might have a case, but Hatton is another guy that would get fucked up by Cotto.

KaukipRrr
06-11-2007, 09:17 PM
:eeeek: Yeah!!!,... I remember that fight with Ndou, so much for this 'unrelenting monster' ..Cotto ran!!! he ran!!! :lol: Illuminati aahahahahahaha!

ILLUMINATI
06-11-2007, 09:42 PM
:eeeek: Yeah!!!,... I remember that fight with Ndou, so much for this 'unrelenting monster' ..Cotto ran!!! he ran!!! :lol: Illuminati aahahahahahaha!

You call it running because you like one-dimensional head first brawlers like Margarita who can't do nothing else but to come forward swinging wildly. Some other fighter can attack and box when they have to...


You will see a great example of a boxer/puncher when Cotto gets Margarita in the ring...and beat him down.

?H?L?QU?L?$
06-11-2007, 09:53 PM
Who's nuts is KaukipRrr gonna jump on once Margarito gets destroyed this year? :popcorn:

KaukipRrr
06-11-2007, 10:00 PM
Who's nuts is KaukipRrr gonna jump on once Margarito gets destroyed this year? :popcorn:

I'm already a Floyd fan, check out the gear bruz? :dunno:

ILLUMINATI
06-11-2007, 10:04 PM
Who's nuts is KaukipRrr gonna jump on once Margarito gets destroyed this year? :popcorn:

From Tszyu...to Abdullaev...to Margarito....

:dunno::dunno: if i have to guess.......then he will jump on Sergiy Dzinziruk...:crafty:

KaukipRrr
06-11-2007, 10:17 PM
From Tszyu...to Abdullaev...to Margarito....

:dunno::dunno: if i have to guess.......then he will jump on Sergiy Dzinziruk...:crafty:

Well that brings me to my point Illuminati, Dzinziruk contributed to culling Puerto Ricans down to the final straw...who we got left?...Cotto and some minimum-weight?...:lol: gunna start supportin' the mims?. :lol: "bullshit I've always been a minimum man"...

ILLUMINATI
06-11-2007, 10:30 PM
Well that brings me to my point Illuminati, Dzinziruk contributed to culling Puerto Ricans down to the final straw...who we got left?...Cotto and some minimum-weight?...:lol: gunna start supportin' the mims?. :lol: "bullshit I've always been a minimum man"...

:rolleyes: beating Daniel Santos isn't much...I know ANTONIO MARGARITA could not do it....even though he had two shots at it....

Dzinziruk has a bit of hype evne though he has done much....he is a perfect Kauki favorite....

Antwuan Maxx
06-11-2007, 10:46 PM
Margarito will beat Cotto. He's the biggest, strongest guy cotto will have ever faced. If Cotto though Ricardo Torres hit hard, wait until he feels Margaritos punches.

I wouldn't say Margarito hits any harder than Torres or even Randall Bailey. He certainly doesn't hit as hard as Judah. Margarito is NOT a big puncher, more of a volume puncher than anything. The only thing Cotto would have to worry about against Margarito is being prepared to go 12 hard rounds. Margarito may be one of the if not the best conditioned fighters today.

KaukipRrr
06-11-2007, 11:02 PM
:rolleyes: beating Daniel Santos isn't much...I know ANTONIO MARGARITA could not do it....even though he had two shots at it....

Dzinziruk has a bit of hype evne though he has done much....he is a perfect Kauki favorite....

:laughing: These are dire times for you my son,..

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It won't make the undercard cut, and you'll have to join one of those cult youtube communities if your lookin' for some action :lol: you poor crooner.

Tyler Durden
07-28-2008, 09:39 PM
You will all be very, very very sorry,.....very very sorry indeed.





...very, very sorry..

Best prediction ever :lol:

KaukipRrr
07-28-2008, 10:20 PM
Best prediction ever :lol:

:hammert:

KaukipRrr
07-28-2008, 10:28 PM
You call it running because you like one-dimensional head first brawlers like Margarita who can't do nothing else but to come forward swinging wildly. Some other fighter can attack and box when they have to...


You will see a great example of a boxer/puncher when Cotto gets Margarita in the ring...and beat him down.

.. :lol::lol: 'The mims',...