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Xplosive
06-26-2007, 10:47 AM
New interview with Floyd up on BT. Tells Ricky all he has to do is sign the contract, and its his ass.

Lets see if Hatton steps up to the plate, or if he's all talk regarding Floyd.

joony
06-26-2007, 10:49 AM
can floyd make 140? i doubt ricky moves up to 147. what happened to floyd' retirement? what a clown.

Xplosive
06-26-2007, 10:54 AM
can floyd make 140? i doubt ricky moves up to 147. what happened to floyd' retirement? what a clown.

The only clown is Ricky, if he doesnt take the fight. Hatton ALWAYS bad mouths Floyd, but its funny that he never actually talks about fighting him. Well Floyd has now called him up, and is willing, if Ricky doesnt back up his bad mouthing of Floyd and take the fight he's a pussy.

joony
06-26-2007, 10:56 AM
floyd should be calling out cotto, who's a bigger threat.

mexican wedding shirt
06-26-2007, 11:05 AM
Joony - even though I would pick Cotto over Hatton, I honestly feel that Hatton is the bigger thread to floyd. Styles.

Cotto is just too patient and slow for Floyd, I'd love to see him win, but he'd just plod around getting potshotted the shit out of.

Hatton would go for it, no question, and wrestling or not, he'd just bullrush floyd, make him fight, pressure him.

Look at Corrales, as amazing as he was a fighter, he was patient. He wasn't a bullrush fighter, and neither is Cotto. That's why Floyd had his way with Corrales so easily. You can't wait for openings with floyd, you have to create them, and ruffle him, and make him fight.

Even little JEsus Chavez had success doing that. Castillo had success pressuring him with timing and a jab.

Son of Payton
06-26-2007, 11:05 AM
Yes, and I'm sure the contract will state a 90-10 purse in favor of Floyd.

This fight will never happen.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 11:06 AM
They're equally as guilty.

Hatton's a bigger draw than Floyd, but Floyd going to England simply ain't gonna happen.

Floyd's as full of caca as Hatton.

Those two won't fight.

Rocco
06-26-2007, 11:06 AM
So Ricky's all talk if he doesn't sign a contract that will certainly show a contract that has the fight in the United States, has him moving up a weight class he wasn't comfortable in AND has an 80/20 split in Floyd's favor?

joony
06-26-2007, 11:07 AM
fuck floyd. i wouldnt want to see him get another payday.

Baron
06-26-2007, 11:11 AM
Please, let's see a real contract before labeling anyone a clown or a pussy. Floyd called out everybody and their mama in the past and it was bullshit more often than not. And isn't that idiot retired?

Arben
06-26-2007, 11:12 AM
The winner of this should fight the winner of Cotto vs. Margarito in Yankee Stadium the day before Puerto Rican Day. They'd sell it out.

Take a guess at who I think would win Cotto vs. Margarito...

Hut*Hut
06-26-2007, 11:17 AM
can floyd make 140? i doubt ricky moves up to 147. what happened to floyd' retirement? what a clown.

Non issue. Floyd was only 148 in the ring vs Oscar, the exact same weight as Hatton against Castillo, and 4 pounds less than Jose. Even if they fight for Floyd's 154lb title it's a junior welterweight fight.

Eaner v2.0
06-26-2007, 11:17 AM
The only clown is Ricky, if he doesnt take the fight. Hatton ALWAYS bad mouths Floyd, but its funny that he never actually talks about fighting him. Well Floyd has now called him up, and is willing, if Ricky doesnt back up his bad mouthing of Floyd and take the fight he's a pussy.

why? We don't know what Floyd is going to offer Ricky so do ou expect Hatton to sign a 90-10 split just because Floyd responded? Hell what if the split is indeed something ridiculous does the make Floyd a pussy because he knows Hatton won't agree to that? It's not just ok here the contracts sign as you make it.

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 11:20 AM
can floyd make 140? i doubt ricky moves up to 147. what happened to floyd' retirement? what a clown.

floyd is a clown because he retired, now hes ready to fight hes a clown because hes not retired, i agree hes a clown, but hes a clown for other reasons not this one

Jzsn95x2
06-26-2007, 11:20 AM
Floyd saying sign the contract and that's your ass means nothing as we don't know what the contract says. It could say 90/10 Floyd and the fight at 154 for all we know. Now if Floyd says he will come back to 140 or a catch weight and the split isn't something crazy then lets get it on.

mexican wedding shirt
06-26-2007, 11:21 AM
Exactly, we don't even know if this offer is going to be for real.

And although some Americans may find it hard to comprehend, Floyd can't call all the shots with Hatton.

If Floyd fought overseas, would 11,000 people from Grand Rapids go to his fight? :lol:

lb 4 lb
06-26-2007, 11:23 AM
can floyd make 140? i doubt ricky moves up to 147. what happened to floyd' retirement? what a clown.
What happened to Floyd fighting Mosley? He's just going to continue to take his time and hope Mosley either retires or continues to age over the years while we wait for Floyd to just shut up and fight somebody already.

joony
06-26-2007, 11:25 AM
floyd reminds me of ray leonard in the late 80s hand picking opponents. except leonard fought and beat great fighters while floyd's gunning for guys he's sure he can beat.

mexican wedding shirt
06-26-2007, 11:25 AM
floyd is a clown because he retired, now hes ready to fight hes a clown because hes not retired, i agree hes a clown, but hes a clown for other reasons not this one

That is why he's a clown, because it's been obvious to everyone that the retirement wasn't genuine.

Does anyone talk about him as if he's really retired? :lol: Even HBO don't. His retirement is a silly farce.

Erratic
06-26-2007, 11:26 AM
Mayweather's camp better offer something reasonable and Hatton better sign it instead of asking for $13 million like last time.

slystaff
06-26-2007, 11:28 AM
can floyd make 140? i doubt ricky moves up to 147. what happened to floyd' retirement? what a clown.

People change their minds all the time. Is Ray Leonard a "clown" for having retired FIVE TIMES?

slystaff
06-26-2007, 11:29 AM
The only clown is Ricky, if he doesnt take the fight. Hatton ALWAYS bad mouths Floyd, but its funny that he never actually talks about fighting him. Well Floyd has now called him up, and is willing, if Ricky doesnt back up his bad mouthing of Floyd and take the fight he's a pussy.

Precisely. The pigment-less warrior says that Floyd fights like "Sheryl Crowe" (lol) and stuff like that, so he better man up and fight him.

joony
06-26-2007, 11:30 AM
People change their minds all the time. Is Ray Leonard a "clown" for having retired FIVE TIMES?

yes. it was a faggot move when he held that press conference only to tease hagler into a mega fight before announcing his retirement.

slystaff
06-26-2007, 11:31 AM
floyd should be calling out cotto, who's a bigger threat.

Maybe, BUT...Hatton is perhaps a bigger fight. Ricky has proven more than Cotto has to date.

slystaff
06-26-2007, 11:32 AM
yes. it was a faggot move when he held that press conference only to tease hagler into a mega fight before announcing his retirement.

Humans are not God, they change their minds. Floyd may well have been sincere when he first mentioned his retirement, but with glow-n-the-dark guys calling him out at every opportunity...it's only human to want to shut his mouth.

puerto rock
06-26-2007, 11:34 AM
Precisely. The pigment-less warrior says that Floyd fights like "Sheryl Crowe" (lol) and stuff like that, so he better man up and fight him.

I would love nothing more than to see Floyd bust up that ghost and end his career.

slystaff
06-26-2007, 11:34 AM
I would love nothing more than to see Floyd bust up that ghost and end his career.

word.

slystaff
06-26-2007, 11:37 AM
They're equally as guilty.

Hatton's a bigger draw than Floyd, but Floyd going to England simply ain't gonna happen.

Floyd's as full of caca as Hatton.

Those two won't fight.

Floyd would be silly to go to England. He may get the Marvin Hagler treatment...as Hatton fans seem to be the type that....well....you know what I mean. :cool:

Hatton has to stay fighting in the states, it's only fair. Floyd should offer him 60-40, that's fair and then let's get it on!!

slystaff
06-26-2007, 11:39 AM
why? We don't know what Floyd is going to offer Ricky so do ou expect Hatton to sign a 90-10 split just because Floyd responded? Hell what if the split is indeed something ridiculous does the make Floyd a pussy because he knows Hatton won't agree to that? It's not just ok here the contracts sign as you make it.

I'm under the impression tha Floyd WANTS the fight, and if so, he'l offer something reasonable so that it can be made. Hatton is the guy that may ask for parity...or something equally unrealistic.

mexican wedding shirt
06-26-2007, 11:41 AM
Floyd would be silly to go to England. He may get the Marvin Hagler treatment...as Hatton fans seem to be the type that....well....you know what I mean. :cool:

Hatton has to stay fighting in the states, it's only fair. Floyd should offer him 60-40, that's fair and then let's get it on!!

Why is that fair? You realize the fight would probably generate more money in England? And hatton has more fans?

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 11:45 AM
Exactly, we don't even know if this offer is going to be for real.

And although some Americans may find it hard to comprehend, Floyd can't call all the shots with Hatton.

If Floyd fought overseas, would 11 people from Grand Rapids go to his fight? :lol:

Floyd could get AT LEAST half that many people to travel to England!

mexican wedding shirt
06-26-2007, 11:46 AM
:lol:

Does that include his family?

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 11:46 AM
Maybe, BUT...Hatton is perhaps a bigger fight. Ricky has proven more than Cotto has to date.


Yeah but Hatton and Cotto have both proven to be better ticket sellers than Floyd.

Hex-One
06-26-2007, 11:47 AM
Floyd would be silly to go to England. He may get the Marvin Hagler treatment...as Hatton fans seem to be the type that....well....you know what I mean. :cool:

Hatton has to stay fighting in the states, it's only fair. Floyd should offer him 60-40, that's fair and then let's get it on!! If there is a American judge and referee then I see no problem.

Eaner v2.0
06-26-2007, 11:49 AM
I'm under the impression tha Floyd WANTS the fight, and if so, he'l offer something reasonable so that it can be made. Hatton is the guy that may ask for parity...or something equally unrealistic.

is that your fandom speaking or have you not ever heard a recent Floyd interview?

cmon let's be real. Floyd thinks he is the epitome of boxing right? so with that he thinks he can command market value for his fights and for who he fights which leads me to believe he will do what Oscar did to Shane for their rematch and offer no more than 75-25.

that shit wont fly with Hatton and we all know that.

so in realistic sense all Floyd is doing is giving the perception he is down with a fight but until the actual numbers surface we dont know his true intentions considering he himself said initially it was DLH or no more fighting I dont need the game anymore I am busy with other things

right?

Rocco
06-26-2007, 11:54 AM
The Split should be even as the entire boxing planet should know who the draw would be in this one.

And for all those who want to see Hatton lose because he's white are just plain pathetic. Floyd fighting and beating a white guy would leave you in the same state that your in now, PATHETIC!


According to Floyd fans Hatton better fight him because he called Floyd out? :lol: Here comes the word all Floyd fans hate, "MARGARITO" ring a bell with you? He called out your hero over and over again, called him everything you or I could think of and yet what happened? Yes, Floyd ran!

toomuchsol
06-26-2007, 11:56 AM
What did Hatton make for fighting Castillo?

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 11:58 AM
is that your fandom speaking or have you not ever heard a recent Floyd interview?

cmon let's be real. Floyd thinks he is the epitome of boxing right? so with that he thinks he can command market value for his fights and for who he fights which leads me to believe he will do what Oscar did to Shane for their rematch and offer no more than 75-25.

that shit wont fly with Hatton and we all know that.

so in realistic sense all Floyd is doing is giving the perception he is down with a fight but until the actual numbers surface we dont know his true intentions considering he himself said initially it was DLH or no more fighting I dont need the game anymore I am busy with other things

right?

Notorious E.A.N.E.R., you must realize you're dealing with delusional Floyd apologists who pick and choose what they want to remember about what Floyd says.

Hatton admitted that he turned down a fight with Floyd, but the flip side was how much money Floyd wanted. After the DLH gig, Floyd thinks he's a $20 million fighter. I still have a hard time seeing him getting a $15 million payday.

From and attendance standpoint, the biggest fight in boxing is Calzaghe-Kessler. The second is Mayweather-Hatton.

Both have one thing in common, which is they'd both have to take place in England. It's possible that HBO and a casino could come up with the cash to properly pay both guys, but the night of the fight I'd bet there'd be more Union Jack's on display than Philthy Rich Record t-shirts.

While Mayweather-Mosley would be a good fight and would do good business, the atmosphere for Mayweather-Hatton would rival that of MAB-Morales or MAB-Hamed.

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 12:03 PM
What happened to Floyd fighting Mosley? He's just going to continue to take his time and hope Mosley either retires or continues to age over the years while we wait for Floyd to just shut up and fight somebody already.

fuck mosely, i would love to see them fight, but mosely didnt give him a shot when he was on top, why should floyd return the favor? that is the most compeling fight for me though, the hattons, and cottos are easy wins imo

Eaner v2.0
06-26-2007, 12:04 PM
Notorious E.A.N.E.R., you must realize you're dealing with delusional Floyd apologists who pick and choose what they want to remember about what Floyd says.

Hatton admitted that he turned down a fight with Floyd, but the flip side was how much money Floyd wanted. After the DLH gig, Floyd thinks he's a $20 million fighter. I still have a hard time seeing him getting a $15 million payday.

From and attendance standpoint, the biggest fight in boxing is Calzaghe-Kessler. The second is Mayweather-Hatton.

Both have one thing in common, which is they'd both have to take place in England. It's possible that HBO and a casino could come up with the cash to properly pay both guys, but the night of the fight I'd bet there'd be more Union Jack's on display than Philthy Rich Record t-shirts.

While Mayweather-Mosley would be a good fight and would do good business, the atmosphere for Mayweather-Hatton would rival that of MAB-Morales or MAB-Hamed.

agREED

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 12:05 PM
I'm under the impression tha Floyd WANTS the fight, and if so, he'l offer something reasonable so that it can be made. Hatton is the guy that may ask for parity...or something equally unrealistic.

if you believe this you're crazy

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 12:08 PM
The Split should be even as the entire boxing planet should know who the draw would be in this one.

And for all those who want to see Hatton lose because he's white are just plain pathetic. Floyd fighting and beating a white guy would leave you in the same state that your in now, PATHETIC!


According to Floyd fans Hatton better fight him because he called Floyd out? :lol: Here comes the word all Floyd fans hate, "MARGARITO" ring a bell with you? He called out your hero over and over again, called him everything you or I could think of and yet what happened? Yes, Floyd ran!

why would you assume anyone wants hatton to loose because hes white? thats ridiculous

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 12:13 PM
fuck mosely, i would love to see them fight, but mosely didnt give him a shot when he was on top, why should floyd return the favor? that is the most compeling fight for me though, the hattons, and cottos are easy wins imo


What?

When was there ever a possiblity that Mayweather and Shane could have fought?

Let's review for a second...

Floyd and Shane were never at the same weight class at the same time. When Floyd won his lightweight belt in 2002 (135) ...Mosley had been a welterweight for three years.

So when exactly did Shane not give Floyd a shot?

It sounds like you've listened to Floyd's BS. Last year, Floyd said Shane has ducked him for 10 years" which was a curious statement seeing that Floyd turned pro about eight months prior to Shane winning a world title one weight class ABOVE where Floyd turned pro.

slystaff
06-26-2007, 12:14 PM
Yeah but Hatton and Cotto have both proven to be better ticket sellers than Floyd.

When either one is involved in a 2 million + buys PPV fight then talk to me..

mexican wedding shirt
06-26-2007, 12:14 PM
why would you assume anyone wants hatton to loose because hes white? thats ridiculous

Yeah I don't know where that came from :dunno:

mexican wedding shirt
06-26-2007, 12:15 PM
When either one is involved in a 2 million + PPV fight then talk to me..

When floyd is involved in a 100,000 + PPV fight WITHOUT Oscar then talk to me...

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 12:15 PM
When either one is involved in a 2 million + PPV fight then talk to me..

When Floyd has a fight in Vegas (his hometown) where half the crowd isn't comped, get back at me.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 12:16 PM
When floyd is involved in a 100,000 + PPV fight WITHOUT Oscar then talk to me...

Floyd-Judah did 374,000

Floyd-Baldmoir did 325,000

:dunno:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2657809

EDITED

mexican wedding shirt
06-26-2007, 12:17 PM
I know, I was kidding with the figure, now you've spoilt it :slap:

toomuchsol
06-26-2007, 12:18 PM
When Floyd has a fight in Vegas (his hometown) where half the crowd isn't comped, get back at me.

Wasn't the DLH fight in Vegas?

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 12:21 PM
Wasn't the DLH fight in Vegas?

That statement is obviously sans DLH...

BTW...

There were TONS of comped tickets for Mayweather-Baldomir. Most of the tickets were given away.

Floyd-Judah didn't have as many comps. The place was fairly full, but did have a decent amount of comped tickets.

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 12:21 PM
Floyd-Judah did 374,000

Floyd-Baldmoir did 325,000

:dunno:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2657809

EDITED

and 365 for gatti

Tha Pitbull
06-26-2007, 12:26 PM
I would love nothing more than to see Floyd bust up that ghost and end his career.Floyd has never busted up anyone except his old lady.:rolleyes:

jarhead
06-26-2007, 12:26 PM
The way I see this is Floyd has no negotiation power with Ricky. Ricky is the draw. Both are champions and undefeated, but Ricky gets the ppv buys and sells the tickets. If I was Ricky I would go public with an offer. Give Floyd 50/50 but the fight is at 140 and in England.

slystaff
06-26-2007, 12:28 PM
Floyd-Judah did 374,000

Floyd-Baldmoir did 325,000

:dunno:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2657809

EDITED

Mexican Wedding shirt...LET'S TALK!! :tease:

Rocco
06-26-2007, 12:32 PM
why would you assume anyone wants hatton to loose because hes white? thats ridiculous


I would love nothing more than to see Floyd bust up that ghost and end his career.


word.

That's why!

slystaff
06-26-2007, 12:35 PM
That's why!

That's ridiculous.

We call Hatton a "ghost" and pale face etc...because it's funny. If it were a white/black thing...why do I root for Wladimir Klitschko in EVERY fight?

"ghost is merely Hatton's alias on these boards, but we want him to lose because of the way he fights and the fact that he has the TEMERITY to criticize the greatest fighter of our generation, a man who he couldn't even carry the jockstrap for. :cool:

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 12:36 PM
That's why!

he just calling him a ghoust because hes pale, he doesnt want him to loose because hes white, he just happens to be white and want him to loose, to assume that, is to assume that everyone wants floyd to loose because hes black when they call him ghetto trash, and thug, and any other thing they can come up with

it would be silly to assume people dont want him to loose because hes white, but i dont think thats why puerto and sly want him to loose, i think sly is white anyways isnt he?

joony
06-26-2007, 12:36 PM
i'd favor floyd to win, but i would love to see Hatton beat him around the ring and stop him w/ a body shot.

Erratic
06-26-2007, 12:36 PM
When floyd is involved in a 100,000 + PPV fight WITHOUT Oscar then talk to me...

Mayweather actually does pretty respectable PPV numbers. Other than De La Hoya (and maybe Trinidad), generally it seems like 300k is around the point between good and not-so-good. Floyd's always done over 300k in PPV sales.

The smaller guys are a little different with Barrera, Morales, Pac, etc....They might do less than 300 but it's still usually a success.

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 12:36 PM
i'd favor floyd to win, but i would love to see Hatton beat him around the ring and stop him w/ a body shot.

i think mosely has the best chance against floyd

slystaff
06-26-2007, 12:38 PM
i think mosely has the best chance against floyd

I agree..but I felt that Oscar himself had the best chance...and he failed, so it's not looking too good for the rest.

Erratic
06-26-2007, 12:39 PM
The way I see this is Floyd has no negotiation power with Ricky. Ricky is the draw. Both are champions and undefeated, but Ricky gets the ppv buys and sells the tickets. If I was Ricky I would go public with an offer. Give Floyd 50/50 but the fight is at 140 and in England.

Hatton gets the PPV buys?

Mayweather has shown more PPV clout, Hatton has shown more ability to get the live audience.

slystaff
06-26-2007, 12:41 PM
Hatton gets the PPV buys?

Mayweather has shown more PPV clout, Hatton has shown more ability to get the live audience.

Yeah this 11,000 fans following Hatton around the world is overblown and takenout of context.

british fans are crazy, any sport. Make no mistake the population of the US is FIVE or SIX times that of Britain and in the US, Mayweather is far more well known and as such potentially makes far more money than hatton.

Simple logic 101

Tha Pitbull
06-26-2007, 12:41 PM
i think sly is white anyways isnt he?You know damn well that Sly isn't white.

toomuchsol
06-26-2007, 12:41 PM
The way I see this is Floyd has no negotiation power with Ricky. Ricky is the draw. Both are champions and undefeated, but Ricky gets the ppv buys and sells the tickets. If I was Ricky I would go public with an offer. Give Floyd 50/50 but the fight is at 140 and in England.

Yeah, because he was just part of the highest grossing fight in history??

Of course DLH was the biggest part of that, but still.......if you made 20 million in your last fight would you take a back seat in the negotiations to some dude that probably didn't even make 2 million?

Jzsn95x2
06-26-2007, 12:44 PM
As talented as Floyd is he can't draw flies to a pile of :shit: Oscar can draw huge numbers and ticket sales all by himself, as can Hatton, Floyd needs a good dance partner to do good numbers or Hoya/Hatton to do great numbers. The fight makes the most money in England period, big PPV numbers no matter what but a much bigger gate in England. I really don't see Floyd going to England, can't say I blame him but wish he would as that would leave one less hurdle in making the fight. Ricky's already proven unlike other English champs that he has no problem fighting in the states, but still more $$ to be made by both on the other side of the pond.

Baron
06-26-2007, 12:44 PM
he just calling him a ghoust because hes pale, he doesnt want him to loose because hes white, he just happens to be white and want him to loose, to assume that, is to assume that everyone wants floyd to loose because hes black when they call him ghetto trash, and thug, and any other thing they can come up with

it would be silly to assume people dont want him to loose because hes white, but i dont think thats why puerto and sly want him to loose, i think sly is white anyways isnt he?:lol:

Tha Pitbull
06-26-2007, 12:45 PM
Yeah, because he was just part of the highest grossing fight in history??

Of course DLH was the biggest part of that, but still.......if you made 20 million in your last fight would you take a back seat in the negotiations to some dude that probably didn't even make 2 million?He didn't make that $20 million himself. Oscar GAVE him the $20 million so if it weren't for Oscar $2 million is what Mouthweather would have made fighting some other fighter.

lb 4 lb
06-26-2007, 12:46 PM
fuck mosely, i would love to see them fight, but mosely didnt give him a shot when he was on top, why should floyd return the favor? that is the most compeling fight for me though, the hattons, and cottos are easy wins imoWhen Mosley was on top him and Floyd were never in the same division. Besides it's Floyd who always claimed Shane ducked him (which was bullshit).

slystaff
06-26-2007, 12:47 PM
As talented as Floyd is he can't draw flies to a pile of :shit: Oscar can draw huge numbers and ticket sales all by himself, as can Hatton, Floyd needs a good dance partner to do good numbers or Hoya/Hatton to do great numbers. The fight makes the most money in England period, big PPV numbers no matter what but a much bigger gate in England. I really don't see Floyd going to England, can't say I blame him but wish he would as that would leave one less hurdle in making the fight. Ricky's already proven unlike other English champs that he has no problem fighting in the states, but still more $$ to be made by both on the other side of the pond.

hahah

Dude, i don't know from under what rock you just crawled, but it takes TWO people to make a megafight, not one.

Leonard-Hagler wasn't HUGE just because of Leonard. Lewis-Tyson wasn't huge JUSt because of Tyson and Oscar-Mayweather wasn't huge JUST because of Oscar.

When Oscar fought, Shane...Castillego (can never spell his name), Sturm...Gatti he didn't make any where NEAR the numbers he made against Floyd.

Therefore something tells me that Floyd had some part to play...

joony
06-26-2007, 12:50 PM
mosley is 35 and doesnt throw punches in bunches. mayweather would outspeed him and outbox him. i dont know where you goons get the idea that shopworn mosley is going to beat any great fighter at this point.

Baron
06-26-2007, 12:51 PM
mosley is 35 and doesnt throw punches in bunches. mayweather would outspeed him and outbox him. i dont know where you goons get the idea that shopworn mosley is going to beat any great fighter at this point.He looked very good against Collazo.

toomuchsol
06-26-2007, 12:52 PM
He didn't make that $20 million himself. Oscar GAVE him the $20 million so if it weren't for Oscar $2 million is what Mouthweather would have made fighting some other fighter.

So did baldomir "give" him 8 million too?

slystaff
06-26-2007, 12:53 PM
mosley is 35 and doesnt throw punches in bunches. mayweather would outspeed him and outbox him. i dont know where you goons get the idea that shopworn mosley is going to beat any great fighter at this point.
:lol:

Lots of truth in this post.

Tha Pitbull
06-26-2007, 12:55 PM
hahah

Dude, i don't know from under what rock you just crawled, but it takes TWO people to make a megafight, not one.

Leonard-Hagler wasn't HUGE just because of Leonard. Lewis-Tyson wasn't huge JUSt because of Tyson and Oscar-Mayweather wasn't huge JUST because of Oscar.

When Oscar fought, Shane...Castillego (can never spell his name), Sturm...Gatti he didn't make any where NEAR the numbers he made against Floyd.

Therefore something tells me that Floyd had some part to play...The hype along with 24/7 had more to do with the numbers than Floyd did. If HBO would have done all of that with the Tito or Mosley fights the numbers would be about the same. Floyd is NOT a draw no matter how bad you want him to be.

Tha Pitbull
06-26-2007, 12:56 PM
So did baldomir "give" him 8 million too?HBO did

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 12:57 PM
When Mosley was on top him and Floyd were never in the same division. Besides it's Floyd who always claimed Shane ducked him (which was bullshit).

floyd was willing to move up, i showed u the interviews, dont act like its not true floyd verbalized he wanted to fight shane, it materalizing is another thing, but him saying it is true

im not saying (anymore) that is was a complete duck, but floyd did want to fight him then, and mosely didnt give him a chance, so now he wants to fight him, same thing is happening

slystaff
06-26-2007, 12:57 PM
The hype along with 24/7 had more to do with the numbers than Floyd did. If HBO would have done all of that with the Tito or Mosley fights the numbers would be about the same. Floyd is NOT a draw no matter how bad you want him to be.

HBO wouldn't hype just ANY fight. THINK dude, think!:nono:

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 12:58 PM
mosley is 35 and doesnt throw punches in bunches. mayweather would outspeed him and outbox him. i dont know where you goons get the idea that shopworn mosley is going to beat any great fighter at this point.

i didnt say he was going to win, i said he has the best chance

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 12:59 PM
floyd was willing to move up, i showed u the interviews, dont act like its not true floyd verbalized he wanted to fight shane, it materalizing is another thing, but him saying it is true

im not saying (anymore) that is was a complete duck, but floyd did want to fight him then, and mosely didnt give him a chance, so now he wants to fight him, same thing is happening

Give it a rest.

Next you'll say Hamed ducked Floyd because Floyd said he'd fight Hamed at a catchweight of 128.

mayweather saying that bullshit is just as worthless as when Mosley said Trinidad ducked him when Tito went to 160.

Mosley said he wanted to fight Tito AFTER the press conference to announce the middleweight tournament. I'm waiting for X to start the "Trinidad ducked Mosley Thread."

Besides, for every interview you find where Floyd says something, you can probably find two or three where he says the exact opposite.

phonetap
06-26-2007, 01:01 PM
HBO wouldn't hype just ANY fight. THINK dude, think!:nono:

you're asking pitbull to do the impossible...

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 01:01 PM
Give it a rest.

Next you'll say Hamed ducked Floyd because Floyd said he'd fight Hamed at a catchweight of 128.

mayweather saying that bullshit is just as worthless as when Mosley said Trinidad ducked him when Tito went to 160.

Mosley said he wanted to fight Tito AFTER the press conference to announce the middleweight tournament.

this is before floyd got big and he had something to prove, both fathers didnt get along, and floyd sr really wanted the fight, this is before shane faught oscar

joony
06-26-2007, 01:03 PM
shane was the guest commentator during floyd vs rios and i figured that fight would've happened later that year. mosley would've beaten him then.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 01:05 PM
this is before floyd got big and he had something to prove, both fathers didnt get along, and floyd sr really wanted the fight, this is before shane faught oscar


You realize that what you're saying is equal to Andre Berto saying Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton are ducking him right?

phonetap
06-26-2007, 01:07 PM
this is before floyd got big and he had something to prove, both fathers didnt get along, and floyd sr really wanted the fight, this is before shane faught oscar

floyd sr was blowing smoke then...they weren't serious.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 01:10 PM
shane was the guest commentator during floyd vs rios and i figured that fight would've happened later that year. mosley would've beaten him then.

That was what...in 1999? Shane was already talking about going to welterweight AND talking about fighting Oscar at the time.

In fact, Oscar was talking about why he WOULDN'T fight Mosley at a press conference for the Trinidad fight which happened that September.

Shane made his debut at 147 that September (the week after DLH-Trinidad)...

Mayweather was THREE YEARS away from making his debut at 135...the division Shane had left.

So I ask again...

When exactly did this opportunity for Mayweather and Mosley fighting occur?

That's the problem with the Mayweather fanclub, they hang on every ridiculous word that comes out of his mouth.

REEDsART
06-26-2007, 01:11 PM
It's OBVIOUS that Floyd just CAN'T Win w/Some of Ya'll...

When he Fights,U BITCH...When he Retires,U BITCH...When he Wins Titles @ 130,135 & 140,U BITCH...

When he DOMINATES the So-Called "Linear Champ" @ Welter,U BITCH...When he MOVES UP & Beats the DARLING of Boxing @ HIS Weight,on HIS Terms,U BITCH...

Now that he's @ Least ENTERTAINING The Idea of Fighting Ricky Hatton,Ya'll R BITCHING:rolleyes: ...

ALOT of Ya'll just Need to Say,"I HATE Floyd & There's NATHAN he can Do to Change that"...Instead,Ya'll R Wearing MASKS of Objectivity,when N REALITY,U're Completely DEVOID of it,as it Pertains to Floyd...

Probably 10 Posters have ALREADY Said Floyd Offered a 90/10 Split...Yeah,O.K.:rolleyes:

The FACT is,Floyd WILL Get the Bulk of the Purse...60/40 or 55/45 is Fair,but Floyd WILL Get the Bulk...& 11,000 Drunken Brits DON'T Mean Shit @ the Negotiating Table:nono: ...



REED:cool:

Jzsn95x2
06-26-2007, 01:12 PM
hahah

Dude, i don't know from under what rock you just crawled, but it takes TWO people to make a megafight, not one.

Leonard-Hagler wasn't HUGE just because of Leonard. Lewis-Tyson wasn't huge JUSt because of Tyson and Oscar-Mayweather wasn't huge JUST because of Oscar.

When Oscar fought, Shane...Castillego (can never spell his name), Sturm...Gatti he didn't make any where NEAR the numbers he made against Floyd.

Therefore something tells me that Floyd had some part to play...

Yes Floyd Oscar did great numbers and Floyd had something to do with it but to say Floyd is a big draw on his own is silly. Floyd can't do average #'s without a good dance partner and for him to think that now that he beat Oscar he is worth Oscar type numbers is crazy.

toomuchsol
06-26-2007, 01:16 PM
That was what...in 1999? Shane was already talking about going to welterweight AND talking about fighting Oscar at the time.

In fact, Oscar was talking about why he WOULDN'T fight Mosley at a press conference for the Trinidad fight which happened that September.

Shane made his debut at 147 that September (the week after DLH-Trinidad)...

Mayweather was THREE YEARS away from making his debut at 135...the division Shane had left.

So I ask again...

When exactly did this opportunity for Mayweather and Mosley fighting occur?

That's the problem with the Mayweather fanclub, they hang on every ridiculous word that comes out of his mouth.

Why the hell does De La Hoya always talk about why he won't fight people?:lol:

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 01:17 PM
It's OBVIOUS that Floyd just CAN'T Win w/Some of Ya'll...

When he Fights,U BITCH...When he Retires,U BITCH...When he Wins Titles @ 130,135 & 140,U BITCH...

When he DOMINATES the So-Called "Linear Champ" @ Welter,U BITCH...When he MOVES UP & Beats the DARLING of Boxing @ HIS Weight,on HIS Terms,U BITCH...

Now that he's @ Least ENTERTAINING The Idea of Fighting Ricky Hatton,Ya'll R BITCHING:rolleyes: ...

ALOT of Ya'll just Need to Say,"I HATE Floyd & There's NATHAN he can Do to Change that"...Instead,Ya'll R Wearing MASKS of Objectivity,when N REALITY,U're Completely DEVOID of it,as it Pertains to Floyd...

Probably 10 Posters have ALREADY Said Floyd Offered a 90/10 Split...Yeah,O.K.:rolleyes:

The FACT is,Floyd WILL Get the Bulk of the Purse...60/40 or 55/45 is Fair,but Floyd WILL Get the Bulk...& 11,000 Drunken Brits DON'T Mean Shit @ the Negotiating Table:nono: ...



REED:cool:

It kinda matters to the promoters who put on the event. It's also a particularly REEDtarded statement considering that all revenue streams are considered when negotiating a fight. 11,000 screaming Brits means 11,000 guaranteed paid tickets...MEANING you start to look at bigger venues to accomodate ticket sales. That's Business and Common Sense 101.

Then again, I guess you have a point because the paid gate at many of the Mayweather headlined fights aren't that great anyway.

My whole point with Floyd is this...stay retired or shut the hell up.

My main problem is that guys compare Floyd to Roy in how he handles his career and that completely pisses me off. Roy was never disrespectful to his opponents and never talked the kind of shit Floyd does.

More importantly, Roy never had the caliber of guys around him Floyd does so there's no REASON for Floyd to not make the fights.

Whether you like it or not REED, even you have to admit...Floyd hasn't faced a high level guy in his prime for five or six years now.

With that said, neither has Hatton or Cotto which is why Floyd vs Hatton or Floyd vs Cotto is such an attractive idea.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 01:19 PM
Why the hell does De La Hoya always talk about why he won't fight people?:lol:

Oscar's quote at the time was something like "I won't fight Shane Mosley. You guys will say I beat up another little guy."

After Oscar loses to Trinidad, he gets back the WBC title then claims "four fights, four knockouts" and Shane's supposed to be the second of the four KO's...we know how that turned out.

slystaff
06-26-2007, 01:20 PM
It's OBVIOUS that Floyd just CAN'T Win w/Some of Ya'll...

When he Fights,U BITCH...When he Retires,U BITCH...When he Wins Titles @ 130,135 & 140,U BITCH...

When he DOMINATES the So-Called "Linear Champ" @ Welter,U BITCH...When he MOVES UP & Beats the DARLING of Boxing @ HIS Weight,on HIS Terms,U BITCH...

Now that he's @ Least ENTERTAINING The Idea of Fighting Ricky Hatton,Ya'll R BITCHING:rolleyes: ...

ALOT of Ya'll just Need to Say,"I HATE Floyd & There's NATHAN he can Do to Change that"...Instead,Ya'll R Wearing MASKS of Objectivity,when N REALITY,U're Completely DEVOID of it,as it Pertains to Floyd...

Probably 10 Posters have ALREADY Said Floyd Offered a 90/10 Split...Yeah,O.K.:rolleyes:

The FACT is,Floyd WILL Get the Bulk of the Purse...60/40 or 55/45 is Fair,but Floyd WILL Get the Bulk...& 11,000 Drunken Brits DON'T Mean Shit @ the Negotiating Table:nono: ...



REED:cool:

Splendid post. Filled with superior logic. You are a genius my friend!:cool:

REEDsART
06-26-2007, 01:25 PM
It kinda matters to the promoters who put on the event.

Then again, I guess you have a point because the paid gate at many of the Mayweather headlined fights aren't that great anyway.

My whole point with Floyd is this...stay retired or shut the hell up.

My main problem is that guys compare Floyd to Roy in how he handles his career and that completely pisses me off. Roy was never disrespectful to his opponents and never talked the kind of shit Floyd does.

More importantly, Roy never had the caliber of guys around him Floyd does so there's no REASON for Floyd to not make the fights.

Whether you like it or not REED, even you have to admit...Floyd hasn't faced a high level guy in his prime for five or six years now.

With that said, neither has Hatton or Cotto which is why Floyd vs Hatton or Floyd vs Cotto is such an attractive idea.The Whole "11,000 Brits" Thing is Being EXAGGERATED...OVERBLOWN...

How Many Attended Hatton-Collazo???...Hatton-Urango??...:dunno: Just Cause Hatton Did it 1nce,DOESN'T Make the Shit a Trend...

As for Floyd Talking,WHOgives a Fuck???...Fighters TALK Shit...Hatton TALKS Shit...That's what Prizefighters DO,MUZSE...

Floyd-Roy Comparisons R Only NATURAL...Prior to Floyd,the Last Guy to B UNIVERSALLY Recognized the Best N the World Lb 4 Lb was WHO??:dunno:

What Pisses REED Off is that Floyd has Accomplished MORE than Hatton & Cotto COMBINED...He has a BETTER RESUME than Either of them,as Well...

Yet Peeps R Sitting Here Almost DEMANDING that Floyd Give them PARITY @ the Negotiating Table???:dunno:

BULLSHIT...


REED:cool:

Rocco
06-26-2007, 01:29 PM
Simple economics and common sense indicate that this fight should take place overseas and at a catchweight with an even split or give Floyd 60/40 for traveling. We all know however though that Hatton will travel, Floyd WILL NOT and Floyd has to dictate the terms or he'll take his ball and go home and there will be no fight! If Calzaghe vs Manfredo could draw 35,000 against Manfredo overseas, I'm sure Hatton would outdraw that against a good name. The main problem here is Floyd's mind is bigger than Floyd and his fans support his stupidity.

Erratic
06-26-2007, 01:30 PM
The Whole "11,000 Brits" Thing is Being EXAGGERATED...OVERBLOWN...

How Many Attended Hatton-Collazo???...Hatton-Urango??...:dunno: Just Cause Hatton Did it 1nce,DOESN'T Make the Shit a Trend...


I think for a big fight like Mayweather, there would be a lot of English fans flying across the Atlantic.

Jzsn95x2
06-26-2007, 01:30 PM
This is what Floyd should do (as should a lot of other talented fighters). Not worry about what other guys are making and stay realistic about his own worth and say "Give me X millions of dollars and I'll fight whoever". Because that's how good Floyd is, nobody is even close to him in talent, the only thing that is going to beat Floyd is father time or him going up to high in weight, this is my opinion and I could be wrong but that's how I feel.

He shouldn't worry about this fighter isn't worth that money or this guy can't talk money with me. Pick a number that is realistic and makes Floyd happy, pick anybody that public wants to see him fight, the public has to be realistic also in terms of size and then kick their ass and say NEXT. Do that for a minute and he may start to get an Oscar type of following.

Rocco
06-26-2007, 01:31 PM
The Whole "11,000 Brits" Thing is Being EXAGGERATED...OVERBLOWN...


REED:cool:
Yesterday you were talking about how much you admired the fact that so many fans were so dedicated and would travel that far, now you hop on the Mayweather bus and reverse your decision and see it as overblown? :lol:

How many Floyd fans would travel to see him fight overseas? Not that he ever would however.

Hanzy
06-26-2007, 01:33 PM
New interview with Floyd up on BT. Tells Ricky all he has to do is sign the contract, and its his ass.

Lets see if Hatton steps up to the plate, or if he's all talk regarding Floyd.

Yeah sign the contract. 98-2 in favour of Floyd but still.....just sign the f*ckin' contract Hatton!!!! :lol: Let's see who the chicken really is.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 01:34 PM
The Whole "11,000 Brits" Thing is Being EXAGGERATED...OVERBLOWN...

How Many Attended Hatton-Collazo???...Hatton-Urango??...:dunno: Just Cause Hatton Did it 1nce,DOESN'T Make the Shit a Trend...

As for Floyd Talking,WHOgives a Fuck???...Fighters TALK Shit...Hatton TALKS Shit...That's what Prizefighters DO,MUZSE...

Floyd-Roy Comparisons R Only NATURAL...Prior to Floyd,the Last Guy to B UNIVERSALLY Recognized the Best N the World Lb 4 Lb was WHO??:dunno:

What Pisses REED Off is that Floyd has Accomplished MORE than Hatton & Cotto COMBINED...He has a BETTER RESUME than Either of them,as Well...

Yet Peeps R Sitting Here Almost DEMANDING that Floyd Give them PARITY @ the Negotiating Table???:dunno:

BULLSHIT...


REED:cool:

It goes without saying that Floyd's accomplished more than Hatton and Cotto. Only a fool would suggest otherwise.

The point is, shit or get off the pot. Retire or fight. Both of these guys spend more time talking about WHY a fight can't happen than making them happen.

Mayweather-Hatton wouldn't happen until next year at the earliest anyway. It's fairly obvious that Hatton-Malignaggi & Mayweather-Mosley is next on HBO's agenda.

Hatton and Mayweather should keep each other's names out of their respective mouths until there's a real shot at making the fight.

The paid attendance for Hatton-Collazo and Hatton-Urango would probably be very similar to Mayweather-Baldomir. Fromwhat I remember, Mayweather-Baldomir had an announced attendance of just over 9,000 and at least half of that was paper.

BTW...Hatton-Collazo...7,900, Hatton-Urango...8,000...How much was paper? Hard to say. But both fights clearly were filled with pro-Hatton people.

slystaff
06-26-2007, 01:41 PM
Question:

When Tyson went to Tokyo to fight Tubbs (or Douglas), how many Americans travelled to see him fight?

When Bruno came to America to fight Tyson, how many Brits travelled to see Bruno fight?

I'd like to get an answer to these questions...

REEDsART
06-26-2007, 01:41 PM
Simple economics and common sense indicate that this fight should take place overseas and at a catchweight with an even split or give Floyd 60/40 for traveling. We all know however though that Hatton will travel, Floyd WILL NOT and Floyd has to dictate the terms or he'll take his ball and go home and there will be no fight! If Calzaghe vs Manfredo could draw 35,000 against Manfredo overseas, I'm sure Hatton would outdraw that against a good name. The main problem here is Floyd's mind is bigger than Floyd and his fans support his stupidity.What were the TICKET PRICES for that Fight???:dunno: ...

Nosebleed Seats???...Ringside Seats???...Lower Level???...

U CAN'T just Look @ the Amount of People N the Stands,U HAVE to Look @ the PRICE of the Tickets Themselves...

1 Nosebleed Seat N Vegas is Roughly $100...Ringside is about $1,000...REED GUARANTEES the Calzaghe-Manfredo Card WASN'T That Expensive...

A Hatton-Floyd Fight N Vegas would Probably DOUBLE the Nosebleed AND Ringside Rates...

Simple Economics...

Let REED Know the PRICE of the Tickets for that 35,000 Calzaghe-Manfredo Card & Holla Back...



REED:cool:

REEDsART
06-26-2007, 01:44 PM
Yesterday you were talking about how much you admired the fact that so many fans were so dedicated and would travel that far, now you hop on the Mayweather bus and reverse your decision and see it as overblown? :lol:

How many Floyd fans would travel to see him fight overseas? Not that he ever would however.REED hasn't "Reversed" ANYTHING...

It IS Admirable the Sooooooo Many would Travel just to Watch Hatton Fight...

REED's Point is,that ISN'T the Norm...It's NOT a Trend...It Happend 1nce,thus Far...But Peeps R Acting like Hatton ALWAYS Brings 11,000 Brits w/Him...

NOT!!!:nono:

Just Cause Hatton Brought 11,000 Brits to ONE Fight,Doesn't Mean he Deserves PARITY w/Floyd...

THAT's REED's Point...


REED:cool:

slystaff
06-26-2007, 01:47 PM
REED hasn't "Reversed" ANYTHING...

It IS Admirable the Sooooooo Many would Travel just to Watch Hatton Fight...

REED's Point is,that ISN'T the Norm...It's NOT a Trend...It Happend 1nce,thus Far...But Peeps R Acting like Hatton ALWAYS Brings 11,000 Brits w/Him...

NOT!!!:nono:

Just Cause Hatton Brought 11,000 Brits to ONE Fight,Doesn't Mean he Deserves PARITY w/Floyd...

THAT's REED's Point...


REED:cool:

I am SURE that 11,000 Americans didn't follow Tyson to Tokyo to either of the Douglas or Tubbs fights (peep my above questions)...but I don't think that ANYONE in their right mind would claim that hatton is a bigger draw than a prime Tyson.


The 11,000 drunken brits, is a SMOKESCREEN/RED HERRING. It means fairly little in the grand scheme of things.

REED, it's honestly not worth even entertaining in a discussion about who deserves the most money...:cool:

Neil
06-26-2007, 01:47 PM
how exactly would the fight generate more money in england?

if its in the uk it completely fucks up the us ppv time slot and there is no casino site fee.

REEDsART
06-26-2007, 01:49 PM
& How do We Know that Hatton HIMSELF didn't Purchase 11,000 Tickets to INSURE he'd have a Large British Presence...

How do we KNOW that 11,000 Brits Paid American Market Value for 11,000 Tickets???...


REED:dunno:

slystaff
06-26-2007, 01:49 PM
how exactly would the fight generate more money in england?

if its in the uk it completely fucks up the us ppv time slot and there is no casino site fee.

EXACTLY.

These people are MAD. U.S. has the 3rd largest population of any country in the world...as I said...SIX times more than Great Britain. That ALONE tells you that the fight would make more money in the States...and the fact that Floyd is better known in the States than is Hatton..is ALL we need to know about WHO shoudl make more money in this fight.

Neil
06-26-2007, 01:55 PM
I doubt there would be that many fans coming to the u.s. later this year for mayweather hatton. for one they've already traveled here once (on summer vacation)..tickets will be much more expensive...some of hattons fans will be wise enough to know he's gonna lose, others won't be able to afford it. it would still sell out mgm tho

Eaner v2.0
06-26-2007, 01:58 PM
It's OBVIOUS that Floyd just CAN'T Win w/Some of Ya'll...

When he Fights,U BITCH...When he Retires,U BITCH...When he Wins Titles @ 130,135 & 140,U BITCH...

When he DOMINATES the So-Called "Linear Champ" @ Welter,U BITCH...When he MOVES UP & Beats the DARLING of Boxing @ HIS Weight,on HIS Terms,U BITCH...

Now that he's @ Least ENTERTAINING The Idea of Fighting Ricky Hatton,Ya'll R BITCHING:rolleyes: ...

ALOT of Ya'll just Need to Say,"I HATE Floyd & There's NATHAN he can Do to Change that"...Instead,Ya'll R Wearing MASKS of Objectivity,when N REALITY,U're Completely DEVOID of it,as it Pertains to Floyd...

Probably 10 Posters have ALREADY Said Floyd Offered a 90/10 Split...Yeah,O.K.:rolleyes:

The FACT is,Floyd WILL Get the Bulk of the Purse...60/40 or 55/45 is Fair,but Floyd WILL Get the Bulk...& 11,000 Drunken Brits DON'T Mean Shit @ the Negotiating Table:nono: ...



REED:cool:

not true

what at least I have been saying is that until we actual hear his terms I don't believe Mayweather is actually going to entertain the thought of fighting Hatton period. It's an exageration but IMO considering how Floyd has been conducting himself post DLH and what he thinks he is worth a 75 25 split is not far off

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 02:00 PM
& How do We Know that Hatton HIMSELF didn't Purchase 11,000 Tickets to INSURE he'd have a Large British Presence...

How do we KNOW that 11,000 Brits Paid American Market Value for 11,000 Tickets???...


REED:dunno:

$9.27?

:lol:

REEDsART
06-26-2007, 02:02 PM
not true

what at least I have been saying is that until we actual hear his terms I don't believe Mayweather is actually going to entertain the thought of fighting Hatton period. It's an exageration but IMO considering how Floyd has been conducting himself post DLH and what he thinks he is worth a 75 25 split is not far offREED is More FAIR-MINDED than Peeps Give him Credit for, Brother EANER...

As Such, Even REED can ADMIT that Floyd DOESN'T Deserve a 75/25 Split w/Hatton...60/40 MAX...55/45 @ WORST...

if,If,IF Floyd's BEST Offer to Hatton is 75/25,Floyd is Full of Shit...


REED:cool:

Eaner v2.0
06-26-2007, 02:05 PM
REED is More FAIR-MINDED than Peeps Give him Credit for, Brother EANER...

As Such, Even REED can ADMIT that Floyd DOESN'T Deserve a 75/25 Split w/Hatton...60/40 MAX...55/45 @ WORST...

if,If,IF Floyd's BEST Offer to Hatton is 75/25,Floyd is Full of Shit...


REED:cool:

ok but considering how Floyd has gone on about his worth, what he wants, retirement you know he is not going to step and say "60/40 seems fair to get this done" right?

Neil
06-26-2007, 02:05 PM
That statement is obviously sans DLH...

BTW...

There were TONS of comped tickets for Mayweather-Baldomir. Most of the tickets were given away.

Floyd-Judah didn't have as many comps. The place was fairly full, but did have a decent amount of comped tickets.


all fights have comps. so the fuck what. mayweather delahoya had comps. how exactly are you privvy to how many tickets were given away for certain fights? you act as though if hatton fought baldomir in vegas the shit would sell out or something. let's not even bring up your husband shane mosley. he couldn't sell 2000 tickets for a baldomir fight

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 02:10 PM
all fights have comps. so the fuck what. mayweather delahoya had comps. how exactly are you privvy to how many tickets were given away for certain fights? you act as though if hatton fought baldomir in vegas the shit would sell out or something. let's not even bring up your husband shane mosley. he couldn't sell 2000 tickets for a baldomir fight

Of course all fights have comps....

"however"

There's a HUGE difference between 1,000 comp seats and 4,000 comp seats.

Regarding I how I know this info...none of your business. The next time you see Floyd, ask him about the $450,000 tax lien against his Judah purse.

That's not an exaggeration nor made up number either...ask him about it and see what he says. :lol:

Mitchell Kane
06-26-2007, 02:11 PM
all fights have comps. so the fuck what. mayweather delahoya had comps. how exactly are you privvy to how many tickets were given away for certain fights? you act as though if hatton fought baldomir in vegas the shit would sell out or something. let's not even bring up your husband shane mosley. he couldn't sell 2000 tickets for a baldomir fight

Is it true that Goossen Tutor lost a lot of money on the fight?

Hex-One
06-26-2007, 02:12 PM
New interview with Floyd up on BT. Tells Ricky all he has to do is sign the contract, and its his ass.

Lets see if Hatton steps up to the plate, or if he's all talk regarding Floyd. Let's hope it happens, I want to see Floyd against a fighter in his prime. We havent seen this in a long time. Theres alot of obstacles for this fight. Money and location comes to mind. Hatton is the real deal and we all know the man will go for broke and thats whats needed to beat Floyd. I feel Mayweather is going to be forced to fight back, Hatton is going to bring out the best in Floyd and we will find out what Floyd really has to offer. Last time I seen him dig deep was in the first Castillo fight.

Let's hope the fight is made.

Mitchell Kane
06-26-2007, 02:15 PM
The Whole "11,000 Brits" Thing is Being EXAGGERATED...OVERBLOWN...

How Many Attended Hatton-Collazo???...Hatton-Urango??...:dunno: Just Cause Hatton Did it 1nce,DOESN'T Make the Shit a Trend...

As for Floyd Talking,WHOgives a Fuck???...Fighters TALK Shit...Hatton TALKS Shit...That's what Prizefighters DO,MUZSE...

Floyd-Roy Comparisons R Only NATURAL...Prior to Floyd,the Last Guy to B UNIVERSALLY Recognized the Best N the World Lb 4 Lb was WHO??:dunno:

What Pisses REED Off is that Floyd has Accomplished MORE than Hatton & Cotto COMBINED...He has a BETTER RESUME than Either of them,as Well...

Yet Peeps R Sitting Here Almost DEMANDING that Floyd Give them PARITY @ the Negotiating Table???:dunno:

BULLSHIT...


REED:cool:

There's strong precedence for British turning out en masse to support British fighters in the US, if the fight is big enough.

If Hatton's matched against a significant name - Mayweather, Cotto, Mosley - I think it's all but guaranteed there will be another huge British turnout...and I have to imagine the Vegas casinos would love to have that money in town.

Neil
06-26-2007, 02:15 PM
you guys follow this sport for the soap opera aspect more so than the action in the ring. it is going to be an agonizing experience for you fellows when these fights are made and mayweather defeats hatton, mosley, and possibly cotto.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 02:17 PM
you guys follow this sport for the soap opera aspect more so than the action in the ring. it is going to be an agonizing experience for you fellows when these fights are made and mayweather defeats hatton, mosley, and possibly cotto.

if they're good fights, it'll be an interesting ride and everyone is happy.

if the fights don't happen and Floyd continues to act like a bitch, you'll be the Kelly Ripa of this board.

Besides, talk about soap opera...Neil to Floyd is what Fighter is to Freitas.

Neil
06-26-2007, 02:19 PM
Of course all fights have comps....

"however"

There's a HUGE difference between 1,000 comp seats and 4,000 comp seats.

Regarding I how I know this info...none of your business. The next time you see Floyd, ask him about the $450,000 tax lien against his Judah purse.

That's not an exaggeration nor made up number either...ask him about it and see what he says. :lol:

oh great he went to the 'none of your business card' hahah

why would I ask such a thing? I don't give a fuck about the next man's finances. the guy is rich, that much is clear.

*Z*
06-26-2007, 02:19 PM
Shane Mosley isn't good enough for Floyd but now he's calling out Hatton? I doubt there is much more money if more at all in fighting Hatton over Mosley. Unless Floyd goes to England, which I doubt.

Once again, Fuck off and retire Floyd.

Rocco
06-26-2007, 02:20 PM
when these fights are made

That's all ANYONE should want!

I'm tired of these spoiled asswipes demanding so much money, I'll fight ANYONE of them or ALL OF THEM AT ONCE ANYTIME for half what they make, GUARANTEED! Give me a date and a check for 2 million and I'll be there.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 02:21 PM
oh great he went to the 'none of your business card' hahah

why would I ask such a thing? I don't give a fuck about the next man's finances. the guy is rich, that much is clear.

TRANSLATION: Neil's envious of the lowlife who got on his hands and knees to pick up Floyd's money in "24/7."

Word on the street is, Slystaff had an interview for that job last week. :lol:

joony
06-26-2007, 02:23 PM
TRANSLATION: Neil's envious of the lowlife who got oin his hands and knees to pick up Floyd's money in "24/7."

Word on the street is, Slystaff had an interview for that job last week. :lol:

:lol:

mexican wedding shirt
06-26-2007, 02:25 PM
TRANSLATION: Neil's envious of the lowlife who got on his hands and knees to pick up Floyd's money in "24/7."

Word on the street is, Slystaff had an interview for that job last week. :lol:

:bears:

REEDsART
06-26-2007, 02:28 PM
ok but considering how Floyd has gone on about his worth, what he wants, retirement you know he is not going to step and say "60/40 seems fair to get this done" right?Maybe REED is NAIVE,but he would LIKE to Think that if the Overall Pot is LUCRATIVE Enough, Floyd'll "Settle" for 60%....


REED:dunno:

*Z*
06-26-2007, 02:29 PM
That's all ANYONE should want!

I'm tired of these spoiled asswipes demanding so much money, I'll fight ANYONE of them or ALL OF THEM AT ONCE ANYTIME for half what they make, GUARANTEED! Give me a date and a check for 2 million and I'll be there.

I'll do it for 1 million. Someone set it up. :lol:

Neil
06-26-2007, 02:36 PM
TRANSLATION: Neil's envious of the lowlife who got on his hands and knees to pick up Floyd's money in "24/7."

Word on the street is, Slystaff had an interview for that job last week. :lol:


the only money I picked up was from various sports books in vegas. thanks in large part to the indecisive analysis of wishy washy chaps such as yourself who tabbed a part timer boxer as having a strong chance to defeat mayweather.

keep up the good work, and don't let me down if the fight is made with your boy later this year. I'm counting on you to convince at least one or two people to bet their money on shane christie.

joony
06-26-2007, 02:38 PM
neil's man crush and loyalty for floyd is strong.

Baron
06-26-2007, 02:39 PM
the only money I picked up was from various sports books in vegas. thanks in large part to the indecisive analysis of wishy washy chaps such as yourself who tabbed a part timer boxer as having a strong chance to defeat mayweather.

keep up the good work, and don't let me down if the fight is made with your boy later this year. I'm counting on you to convince at least one or two people to bet their money on shane christie.Didn't you predict that Floyd would win 12-0 against DLH?

Baron
06-26-2007, 02:39 PM
neil's man crush and loyalty for floyd is strong.Neil is certainly Floyd's no.1 nuthugger here.

Hex-One
06-26-2007, 02:40 PM
neil's man crush and loyalty for floyd is strong.:laughing:

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 02:41 PM
the only money I picked up was from various sports books in vegas. thanks in large part to the indecisive analysis of wishy washy chaps such as yourself who tabbed a part timer boxer as having a strong chance to defeat mayweather.

keep up the good work, and don't let me down if the fight is made with your boy later this year. I'm counting on you to convince at least one or two people to bet their money on shane christie.

Did you quote the wrong post?

I picked Mayweather.

:dunno:

When Floyd "makes it rain", I bet you beat strippers to the dance floor. How much money have you "picked up" thus far?

:dunno:

mexican wedding shirt
06-26-2007, 02:42 PM
He did, he then said floyd was not as good as he thought he was, as he should have won every round against a part time boxer/promoter.

Neil
06-26-2007, 02:43 PM
neil's man crush and loyalty for floyd is strong.

well I can guarantee you won't see mayweather on espn2 in 10 years snorting phantom rails between every third sentence he speaks

REEDsART
06-26-2007, 02:44 PM
neil's man crush and loyalty for floyd is strong.True...

But No One "ManCrushed" like REED did for Roy...

NO ONE!!!:nono:


REED:lol:

joony
06-26-2007, 02:45 PM
well I can guarantee you won't see mayweather on espn2 in 10 years snorting phantom rails between every third sentence he speaks

so you admit, you do have a mancrush on floyd? :lol:

Neil
06-26-2007, 02:47 PM
so you admit, you do have a mancrush on floyd? :lol:

no sir

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 02:57 PM
You realize that what you're saying is equal to Andre Berto saying Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton are ducking him right?

i didnt say ducking, i said they wanted the fight and didnt get it

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 02:58 PM
floyd sr was blowing smoke then...they weren't serious.

i said that it may not have materialized, i just said he said he wanted the fight

Baron
06-26-2007, 03:01 PM
i said that it may not have materialized, i just said he said he wanted the fightYou also said that based on that, Floyd was correct to refuse to fight Mosley.

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 03:04 PM
You also said that based on that, Floyd was correct to refuse to fight Mosley.

i was just giving the reason why he is doing it, i didnt say i didnt want to see the fight, i really dont see shanes angle in demanding a fight, unless floyd goes and fight some bum instead

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 03:05 PM
i could be a polotician, that was a bunch of bullshit withotu answerign the question

Baron
06-26-2007, 03:06 PM
i was just giving the reason why he is doing it, i didnt say i didnt want to see the fight, i really dont see shanes angle in demanding a fight, unless floyd goes and fight some bum insteadWell, you're speculating then because the reason Floyd gave was money, not bitterness for a fight that he wanted but didn't happen.

Baron
06-26-2007, 03:07 PM
i could be a polotician, that was a bunch of bullshit withotu answerign the question

You'd be a good polotician but I think you'd suck as a politician.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 03:08 PM
You'd be a good polotician but I think you'd suck as a politician.

:lol:

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 03:09 PM
You'd be a good polotician but I think you'd suck as a politician.

that was a horriblwe joke, the i is right next to the o give me a break,

Baron
06-26-2007, 03:11 PM
that was a horriblwe joke, the i is right next to the o give me a break,

Why would I give you a break? You type like a fuckin retard!!! What's up with your fingers today?:lol:

slystaff
06-26-2007, 03:15 PM
True...

But No One "ManCrushed" like REED did for Roy...

NO ONE!!!:nono:


REED:lol:

:lol:

I'm a bigger Roy AND Mayweather "hugger" than ANYONE on this board!! :nono:

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 03:19 PM
True...

But No One "ManCrushed" like REED did for Roy...

NO ONE!!!:nono:


REED:lol:

Roy's my favorite fighter of all-time.

I never had a "crush" on Roy, but in certain situations I've been a Roy Jones apologist.

You know how everyone says we live in a post 9/11 world? That doesn't have much meaning to me.

"However"

We live in a post Roy Jones back-to-back KO world...since then, the grass hasn't been quite as green and the sky not quite as blue.

This is a very strange and troubling time we live in...

:old:

slystaff
06-26-2007, 03:27 PM
Roy's my favorite fighter of all-time.

I never had a "crush" on Roy, but in certain situations I've been a Roy Jones apologist.

You know how everyone says we live in a post 9/11 world? That doesn't have much meaning to me.

"However"

We live in a post Roy Jones back-to-back KO world...since then, the grass hasn't been quite as green and the sky not quite as blue.

This is a very strange and troubling time we live in...

:old:

Well put!

Even though you're a punk, for telling me that I interviewed for a pick Mayweather money off the floor job!! :flip: :lol:

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 03:33 PM
Why would I give you a break? You type like a fuckin retard!!! What's up with your fingers today?:lol:

i always type like a retard, today is just one the bad days

Baron
06-26-2007, 03:38 PM
i always type like a retard, today is just one the bad daysIt's getting better now.:bears:

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 03:43 PM
It's getting better now.:bears:

took me 5 minutes to type that :bears:

Baron
06-26-2007, 03:45 PM
:lol:

REEDsART
06-26-2007, 03:56 PM
Roy's my favorite fighter of all-time.

I never had a "crush" on Roy, but in certain situations I've been a Roy Jones apologist.

You know how everyone says we live in a post 9/11 world? That doesn't have much meaning to me.

"However"

We live in a post Roy Jones back-to-back KO world...since then, the grass hasn't been quite as green and the sky not quite as blue.

This is a very strange and troubling time we live in...

:old:agREED...

REED Still HASN'T Gotten Over the KO's, Particularly the 1st One...REED's STILL Mourning...

To this Very Day,the Mere SIGHT of Antonio Tarver DISTURBS REED...He's "The Boogeyman"...The Sight of Roy's Eye's CROSSING (as that Left Hook Lands)TURNS REED's Stomach...

A Piece of REED's Boxing Fandom DIED that Night, No Doubt...REED's Boxing VIRGINITY was TAKEN w/Out Permission, Vaseline or Prophylactic...& the Shit HURT...

"Objectivity" was VIOLENTLY Beaten N 2 REED...

REED'll NEVER B the Same Again....& REED Most Certainly will NEVER Looooooooooooove to that EXTREME Again...


REED:cool:

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 03:59 PM
agREED...

REED Still HASN'T Gotten Over the KO's, Particularly the 1st One...REED's STILL Mourning...

To this Very Day,the Mere SIGHT of Antonio Tarver DISTURBS REED...He's "The Boogeyman"...The Sight of Roy's Eye's CROSSING (as that Left Hook Lands)TURNS REED's Stomach...

A Piece of REED's Boxing Fandom DIED that Night, No Doubt...REED's Boxing VIRGINITY was TAKEN w/Out Permission, Vaseline or Prophylactic...& the Shit HURT...

"Objectivity" was VIOLENTLY Beaten N 2 REED...

REED'll NEVER B the Same Again....& REED Most Certainly will NEVER Looooooooooooove to that EXTREME Again...


REED:cool:

agREED.

Erratic
06-26-2007, 04:00 PM
agREED...

REED Still HASN'T Gotten Over the KO's, Particularly the 1st One...REED's STILL Mourning...

To this Very Day,the Mere SIGHT of Antonio Tarver DISTURBS REED...He's "The Boogeyman"...The Sight of Roy's Eye's CROSSING (as that Left Hook Lands)TURNS REED's Stomach...

A Piece of REED's Boxing Fandom DIED that Night, No Doubt...REED's Boxing VIRGINITY was TAKEN w/Out Permission, Vaseline or Prophylactic...& the Shit HURT...

"Objectivity" was VIOLENTLY Beaten N 2 REED...

REED'll NEVER B the Same Again....& REED Most Certainly will NEVER Looooooooooooove to that EXTREME Again...


REED:cool:

Here's some images to make you feel a little bit better.

http://espn-att.starwave.com/photo/2006/0607/box_tarver_hopkins_412.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41753000/jpg/_41753032_tarver416.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41753000/jpg/_41753028_hopkins_punch416.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41753000/jpg/_41753030_hopkins_tarver416.jpg

jaws1216
06-26-2007, 04:05 PM
Yes, and I'm sure the contract will state a 90-10 purse in favor of Floyd.

This fight will never happen.

if anyone would concede terms for a fight, its Ricky Hatton. The dude had everything Calzaghe dreams about and basically told warren to fuck off so that he could fight in vegas in boxing's mecca.

The guy will take 40-60 or worse IMO, but I get the feeling he's gonna want it at 140, although Floyd won't have any trouble making it, we'll see what happens.

Hex-One
06-26-2007, 04:07 PM
agREED...

REED Still HASN'T Gotten Over the KO's, Particularly the 1st One...REED's STILL Mourning...

To this Very Day,the Mere SIGHT of Antonio Tarver DISTURBS REED...He's "The Boogeyman"...The Sight of Roy's Eye's CROSSING (as that Left Hook Lands)TURNS REED's Stomach...

A Piece of REED's Boxing Fandom DIED that Night, No Doubt...REED's Boxing VIRGINITY was TAKEN w/Out Permission, Vaseline or Prophylactic...& the Shit HURT...

"Objectivity" was VIOLENTLY Beaten N 2 REED...

REED'll NEVER B the Same Again....& REED Most Certainly will NEVER Looooooooooooove to that EXTREME Again...


REED:cool::bears: Good post. I had the same feeling when I seen Tito get KTFO for the first time.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 04:08 PM
if anyone would concede terms for a fight, its Ricky Hatton. The dude had everything Calzaghe dreams about and basically told warren to fuck off so that he could fight in vegas in boxing's mecca.

The guy will take 40-60 or worse IMO, but I get the feeling he's gonna want it at 140, although Floyd won't have any trouble making it, we'll see what happens.


Why would Floyd fight Hatton at 140? Been there, done that.

Plus, Floyd's got belts at 147 & 154.

Let Hatton fight for the 147 title.

jaws1216
06-26-2007, 04:10 PM
he just calling him a ghoust because hes pale, he doesnt want him to loose because hes white, he just happens to be white and want him to loose, to assume that, is to assume that everyone wants floyd to loose because hes black when they call him ghetto trash, and thug, and any other thing they can come up with

it would be silly to assume people dont want him to loose because hes white, but i dont think thats why puerto and sly want him to loose, i think sly is white anyways isnt he?

no, and regardless of the actual reasons for why these statements were said, there certainly is a trend of someone "sticking to their guns." How many of the black posters on here wouldn't call themselves Floyd/Roy fans, and how man of the Puerto Ricans would say they aren't Tito fans.

There is bias and cross bias, even if its unsaid. There are continuous exceptions to everything, but I'll bet my left nut that every Marciano lover on the board is white, and that every RJJ nuthugger is black, its just the nature of the beast.

Erratic
06-26-2007, 04:10 PM
Why would Floyd fight Hatton at 140? Been there, done that.

Plus, Floyd's got belts at 147 & 154.

Let Hatton fight for the 147 title.

Yeah I don't see Floyd going back down to 140 either.

Especially since he just moved up another weight class to 154 and beat Oscar with Oscar calling the shots on the gloves and everything.

He's probably thinking "why should I make concessions again?"

REEDsART
06-26-2007, 04:12 PM
REED is Soooooooooo SPOOKED,he Doesn't even Eat MilkDuds Anymore...


REED:cool:

jaws1216
06-26-2007, 04:12 PM
Why would Floyd fight Hatton at 140? Been there, done that.

Plus, Floyd's got belts at 147 & 154.

Let Hatton fight for the 147 title.

Because he bypassed the perceived real champions at 140, something his legacy will be hindered by. Floyd can get a title fight at any division, AND he's got the body to make 140, its not like it'd take a toll.

Hatton would probably agree to some kind of catchweight, plus its the two lineal titlists from 140-147, it would be a huge event.

jaws1216
06-26-2007, 04:13 PM
Yeah I don't see Floyd going back down to 140 either.

Especially since he just moved up another weight class to 154 and beat Oscar with Oscar calling the shots on the gloves and everything.

He's probably thinking "why should I make concessions again?"

seriously though whatd he weigh in at 149?...it would not be hard for him to make 140 or some kind of catchweight if this comes off.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 04:14 PM
Yeah I don't see Floyd going back down to 140 either.

Especially since he just moved up another weight class to 154 and beat Oscar with Oscar calling the shots on the gloves and everything.

He's probably thinking "why should I make concessions again?"

Weight isn't a concession Mayweather needs to make. Why would he be interested in an IBO 140 title?

The only thing the DLH fight did is give a Floyd a blueprint as to the concessions he'll try to impose on his opponents.

Floyd wasn't business savvy or smart enough to figure these kinda things out before so he'll try to turn the table on his future opponents...assuming he comes out of retirement that is.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 04:14 PM
Because he bypassed the perceived real champions at 140, something his legacy will be hindered by. Floyd can get a title fight at any division, AND he's got the body to make 140, its not like it'd take a toll.

Hatton would probably agree to some kind of catchweight, plus its the two lineal titlists from 140-147, it would be a huge event.

What legacy does Hatton have? Beating a guy Floyd beat twice five years ago?

REEDsART
06-26-2007, 04:14 PM
no, and regardless of the actual reasons for why these statements were said, there certainly is a trend of someone "sticking to their guns." How many of the black posters on here wouldn't call themselves Floyd/Roy fans, and how man of the Puerto Ricans would say they aren't Tito fans.

There is bias and cross bias, even if its unsaid. There are continuous exceptions to everything, but I'll bet my left nut that every Marciano lover on the board is white, and that every RJJ nuthugger is black, its just the nature of the beast.That's Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from the Truth...

There was PLENTY of NON-Black Members of PLANET ROY...Probably as Many as HALF were Non-Black...

Believe it or Not,Roy even had Black HATERS...

REED:cool:

jaws1216
06-26-2007, 04:16 PM
That's Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from the Truth...

There was PLENTY of NON-Black Members of PLANET ROY...Probably as Many as HALF were Non-Black...

Believe it or Not,Roy even had Black HATERS...

REED:cool:

which 5 people are the biggest RJJ nuthuggers on the board?

how many are white.

which 5 are the biggest hatton nuthuggers?

how many are black.

there are racial lines, even if its subliminal and unconscious

jaws1216
06-26-2007, 04:16 PM
What legacy does Hatton have? Beating a guy Floyd beat twice five years ago?

TERRIBLE argument.

We aren't comparing Hatton's and Floyd's legacy, simply stating that Floyd's will be viewed as one that by-passed the biggest threats at 140

Erratic
06-26-2007, 04:19 PM
What legacy does Hatton have? Beating a guy Floyd beat twice five years ago?

Beating the true champ @ 140, where Floyd fought a weaker titlist.

CleanYourClock
06-26-2007, 04:19 PM
Yeah I don't see Floyd going back down to 140 either.

Especially since he just moved up another weight class to 154 and beat Oscar with Oscar calling the shots on the gloves and everything.

He's probably thinking "why should I make concessions again?"

He did a great job punching those gloves that Oscar picked out ...
He seemed to be more angry at Oscars gloves then he was at Oscar ... :dunno:

Baron
06-26-2007, 04:19 PM
which 5 people are the biggest RJJ nuthuggers on the board?

how many are white.

which 5 are the biggest hatton nuthuggers?

how many are black.

there are racial lines, even if its subliminal and unconsciousI agree with REED here, Roy had plenty of white fans. I'd say you're right about Hatton though, I don't think I've seen any black Hatton fan.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 04:20 PM
TERRIBLE argument.

We aren't comparing Hatton's and Floyd's legacy, simply stating that Floyd's will be viewed as one that by-passed the biggest threats at 140

Why would that be an issue? It's not an issue for Mosley.

Floyd was THE champ at 135 & 147. He was also considered the best at 130 and beat the #2 or #3 (depedning on how you had Corrales ranked) guy at 130.

That's more than Hatton can say.

Hatton picking up a title from Collazo is less impressive (performance wise and historically) than Floyd's win over Gatti.

jaws1216
06-26-2007, 04:20 PM
I agree with REED here, Roy had plenty of white fans. I'd say you're right about Hatton though, I don't think I've seen any black Hatton fan.

but seriously who are the loudest and proudest Roy nuthggers on this board.

Sly, Reed, Musze, bigdawg...

nobody else on this board would say Roy is the GOAT, I hope

jaws1216
06-26-2007, 04:22 PM
Why would that be an issue? It's not an issue for Mosley.

Floyd was THE champ at 135 & 147. He was also considered the best at 130 and beat the #2 or #3 (depedning on how you had Corrales ranked) guy at 130.

That's more than Hatton can say.

Hatton picking up a title from Collazo is less impressive (performance wise and historically) than Floyd's win over Gatti.

you can't defend a guy thats the best in the game (clearly) by pointing out the flaws of a proposed dangerous opponent. There is no bigger fight right now than Floyd/Hatton.

This isn't a baldomir or margarito debate where Floyd had more reason to fight Carlos, its either Hatton or Mosley or maybe a rematch with Oscar.

Anyone else, and he really is ducking who he should be fighting.

Baron
06-26-2007, 04:24 PM
but seriously who are the loudest and proudest Roy nuthggers on this board.

Sly, Reed, Musze, bigdawg...

nobody else on this board would say Roy is the GOAT, I hopeApart from Bigdawg, I think they all rank Ali as the GOAT.

jaws1216
06-26-2007, 04:26 PM
Apart from Bigdawg, I think they all rank Ali as the GOAT.

and call floyd their favorite current active fighter...all im saying is there's a pattern, conscious or not.

REEDsART
06-26-2007, 04:26 PM
which 5 people are the biggest RJJ nuthuggers on the board?

how many are white.

which 5 are the biggest hatton nuthuggers?

how many are black.

there are racial lines, even if its subliminal and unconsciousREED Agrees w/U about Racial Lines...

That's OBVIOUS...

It's Nationalistic,as Well (to a Lesser Degree)...

Most Hatton HUGGERS R White Euro's...Of the White Hatton DETRACTORS,Most R American...

Admittedly, REED Doesn't Know of any Black "Fans" of Hatton,but Most Brothers like Watching him...But No Doubt,If/When Floyd-Hatton is Signed, 99.99999% of the Brothers on this Site will Probably Root for Floyd...

Similar to Floyd,REED COULDN'T Tell U Who's the # 2 or # 3 Roy Nuthugger...Cause "When U're # 1,U Don't even Look Back" - Floyd Mayweather

"Like I Said Before",REED is the "Roy Jones" of Roy Jones Nuthuggers...



REED:cool:

Erratic
06-26-2007, 04:27 PM
Why would that be an issue? It's not an issue for Mosley.


It would've been nice to see a Mosley-Tszyu matchup in 2001-02, right?

We didn't get to see the top guy at 135 and 147 fight the best @ 140 there because he skipped it. Mayweather (more or less) skipped thru 140, but apparently we may see it now, which is a good thing.

Baron
06-26-2007, 04:27 PM
and call floyd their favorite current active fighter...all im saying is there's a pattern, conscious or not.In fact I agree, I guess I wanted to boost my post count. :lol:

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 04:27 PM
you can't defend a guy thats the best in the game (clearly) by pointing out the flaws of a proposed dangerous opponent. There is no bigger fight right now than Floyd/Hatton.

This isn't a baldomir or margarito debate where Floyd had more reason to fight Carlos, its either Hatton or Mosley or maybe a rematch with Oscar.

Anyone else, and he really is ducking who he should be fighting.

if there's no bigger fight than Hatton and Floyd then Hatton needs to do his part in making it happen.

As it stands, Floyd's coming off the biggest fight in boxing history and is the owner of TWO legit belts, whereas Hatton's the owner of a fringe title one and two weight classes below.

Whether the fight is in England or Vegas, Hatton's side has to realize that.

Even with that said...Floyd "allegedly" made $8 million to fight Baldomir and Baldomir made $1.5 million or so.

Erratic
06-26-2007, 04:28 PM
Similar to Floyd,REED COULDN'T Tell U Who's the # 2 or # 3 Roy Nuthugger...Cause "When U're # 1,U Don't even Look Back" - Floyd Mayweather


Tyler.

Baron
06-26-2007, 04:29 PM
Tyler.His Royness wouldn't be far behind too.:lol:

Erratic
06-26-2007, 04:30 PM
if there's no bigger fight than Hatton and Floyd then Hatton needs to do his part in making it happen.

As it stands, Floyd's coming off the biggest fight in boxing history and is the owner of TWO legit belts, whereas Hatton's the owner of a fringe title one and two weight classes below.

Whether the fight is in England or Vegas, Hatton's side has to realize that.

Even with that said...Floyd "allegedly" made $8 million to fight Baldomir and Baldomir made $1.5 million or so.

Hatton may only own the IBO bauble due to the good ole' IBF with their stripping but Ricky is the true champ @ 140.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 04:30 PM
It would've been nice to see a Mosley-Tszyu matchup in 2001-02, right?

We didn't get to see the top guy at 135 and 147 fight the best @ 140 there because he skipped it. Mayweather (more or less) skipped thru 140, but apparently we may see it now, which is a good thing.

I don't think many if any folks miss Mosley and Tszyu not fighting.

One could say that about Oscar and Tszyu not fighting when Oscar made a two fight stop at 140...

"However"

Vince Phillips kinda wrecked that.

Plus, who cared about Mosley-Tszyu in 2001-2002 when Mosley had already beaten Oscar and had been at welter since 1999?

Tszyu-Judah was the biggest matchup at that time. Many look at Judah after the result of that fight completely forgetting about his status PRIOR to that match.

That's the problem of revisionist history...absolutely no idea on perspective and the lay of the land at the time.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 04:31 PM
Hatton may only own the IBO bauble due to the good ole' IBF with their stripping but Ricky is the true champ @ 140.

Which is precisely why I said HBO's pretty much lining up Hatton-Malignaggi so Hatton can get his old title back.

Plus, the IBF stripped him for not fighting his mandatory.

Erratic
06-26-2007, 04:33 PM
I don't think many if any folks miss Mosley and Tszyu not fighting.

One could say that about Oscar and Tszyu not fighting when Oscar made a two fight stop at 140...

"However"

Vince Phillips kinda wrecked that.

Plus, who cared about Mosley-Tszyu in 2001-2002 when Mosley had already beaten Oscar and had been at welter since 1999?

Tszyu-Judah was the biggest matchup at that time. Many look at Judah after the result of that fight completely forgetting about his status PRIOR to that match.

That's the problem of revisionist history...absolutely no idea on perspective and the lay of the land at the time.

I'm not saying it as "revisionist history" or that there was high demand at the time, I remember what was going on then.

I'm saying it would've still been an interesting and intriguing fight, right?

Same thing here, what's wrong with Mayweather and Hatton fighting?

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 04:36 PM
I'm not saying it as "revisionist history" or that there was high demand at the time, I remember what was going on then.

I'm saying it would've still been an interesting and intriguing fight, right?

Same thing here, what's wrong with Mayweather and Hatton fighting?

Again...revisionist history...

Kostya spent a bunch of that time out with various injuries so the "demand" for him to fight Mosley was nil.

Perhaps you were hoping for it while Kostya was rehabing, but again...that's NOT what the boxing world wanted to see.

There's nothing wrong with Mayweather and Hatton fighting. I'm just saying be realistic about it. Mayweather is a legit champ in TWO divisons. Hatton has a minor belt.

Erratic
06-26-2007, 04:44 PM
Again...revisionist history...

Kostya spent a bunch of that time out with various injuries so the "demand" for him to fight Mosley was nil.

Perhaps you were hoping for it while Kostya was rehabing, but again...that's NOT what the boxing world wanted to see.

There's nothing wrong with Mayweather and Hatton fighting. I'm just saying be realistic about it. Mayweather is a legit champ in TWO divisons. Hatton has a minor belt.

Tszyu's injuries didn't really make him inactive until after Mosley had lost to Forrest.

The lack of public demand for Mosley-Tszyu is not the point, and it never was.

I don't understand why you're downgrading Hatton and his accomplishments. It's like the same junk we've been hearing from Mayweather.

joony
06-26-2007, 04:47 PM
no one really gave a shit about tszyu vs. anyone.

only significant fight tszyu had lined up was the Mitchell rematch and he won that fight easily. after that, many including myself figured he would retire.

mexican wedding shirt
06-26-2007, 04:49 PM
no one really gave a shit about tszyu vs. anyone.

only significant fight tszyu had lined up was the Mitchell rematch and he won that fight easily. after that, many including myself figured he would retire.

I always wondered how Tszyu commanded fairly high purses etc, it seemed not that many people outside Australia cared that much about watching him.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 04:50 PM
Tszyu's injuries didn't really make him inactive until after Mosley had lost to Forrest.

The lack of public demand for Mosley-Tszyu is not the point, and it never was.

I don't understand why you're downgrading Hatton and his accomplishments. It's like the same junk we've been hearing from Mayweather.

I'm not downgrading Hatton, I'm being realistic.

Who has the more impressive resume? Mayweather (BY FAR)

Who is the bigger draw? Hatton (BY FAR)

Anyone who can't see either point is a nuthugger on either side of the equation.

That's where the negotiation would start...Hatton brings more asses in seats, Mayweather brings a better legacy AND legit titles to the table.

How is that anything but honest?

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 04:51 PM
no one really gave a shit about tszyu vs. anyone.

only significant fight tszyu had lined up was the Mitchell rematch and he won that fight easily. after that, many including myself figured he would retire.


hell, most people forget that Tszyu fought Tackie the same night of Gatti-Ward I.

Wasn't there a story out that the paid gate was less than 500 people?

Erratic
06-26-2007, 04:52 PM
hell, most people forget that Tszyu fought Tackie the same night of Gatti-Ward I.

Wasn't there a story out that the paid gate was less than 500 people?

World Boxing (I think) had an article talking about how the crowd was empty.

It said something like "Win or Lose, Kostya Can't Draw".

Orthodox Crusader
06-26-2007, 05:00 PM
Which is precisely why I said HBO's pretty much lining up Hatton-Malignaggi so Hatton can get his old title back.

Plus, the IBF stripped him for not fighting his mandatory.


Well, Hatton-Malignaggi happens to be a pretty decent fight anyways. Not the preferred one, but a decent one at least.

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 05:01 PM
Well, Hatton-Malignaggi happens to be a pretty decent fight anyways. Not the preferred one, but a decent one at least.

We've already seen Hatton-Malignaggi.

It was called Cotto-Malignaggi.

Orthodox Crusader
06-26-2007, 05:02 PM
:lol:

Does that include his family?

Roger and Dad would have NO END of difficulty getting in: CRIMINAL RECORDS.

Thats no shit.

Tyson almost didn't make it......The Mayweathers won't.

Hey, a new excuse for Floyd not to make the fight in England.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Orthodox Crusader
06-26-2007, 05:04 PM
We've already seen Hatton-Malignaggi.

It was called Cotto-Malignaggi.


Maybe.:lol: :dunno:

I'd say Malignaggi could take Floyd better than he could handle Ricky:dunno:

Father of Muzse
06-26-2007, 05:05 PM
Maybe.:lol: :dunno:

I'd say Malignaggi could take Floyd better than he could handle Ricky:dunno:

Two guys feinting, waiting for the other to punch?

yeah, there'd be a lot less damage to both guys.

Orthodox Crusader
06-26-2007, 05:08 PM
That's Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from the Truth...

There was PLENTY of NON-Black Members of PLANET ROY...Probably as Many as HALF were Non-Black...

Believe it or Not,Roy even had Black HATERS...

REED:cool:


And Marciano????

Well, one half of the equation is true. Kellerman hates Marciano. You know why? Cos shiny-shimmy-shimmy-yay Arnold got CREAMED.

How many Blacks love The Rock, and I'm talking Brockton, not Broke Town up in Balti.???

We know Larry didn't like him:laughing:

Orthodox Crusader
06-26-2007, 05:10 PM
When Floyd has a fight in Vegas (his hometown) where half the crowd isn't comped, get back at me.


COMPED.

I LIKE THAT WORD.

COMPED.

http://www.dvdactive.com/images/reviews/screenshot/2005/7/casino_1.jpg

Neil
06-26-2007, 05:24 PM
when hatton does over 300,000 homes vs baldomir, get back at me. and mayweather would beat the bleach off malignaggis head. serious ass whipping there.

toomuchsol
06-26-2007, 05:30 PM
I'm a honkey and Roy Jones Jr. is my favorite fighter ever.

jaws1216
06-26-2007, 05:32 PM
I'm a honkey and Roy Jones Jr. is my favorite fighter ever.

your words say honkey, but ur avatar and comments on this scream "man who wears toupee"

Orthodox Crusader
06-26-2007, 05:33 PM
I'm a honkey and Roy Jones Jr. is my favorite fighter ever.


Interestingly, Roy was one of these fighters, I really didn't care what he was doing or against who. It partly has to do with DM in Germany, and them two not fighting, but mainly Roy just never caught my attention. Even when Tarver KO'd Roy...it didn't register.:dunno: :dunno:

?H?L?QU?L?$
06-26-2007, 05:44 PM
The way I see this is Floyd has no negotiation power with Ricky. Ricky is the draw. Both are champions and undefeated, but Ricky gets the ppv buys and sells the tickets. If I was Ricky I would go public with an offer. Give Floyd 50/50 but the fight is at 140 and in England.
Dumbass.

What PPV of Hatton did more than Floyd-DLH, Floyd-Gatti, Floyd-Judah? When has Hatton earned anywhere close to what Floyd has won in those fights? Who's recognized as the best in the world coming from beating the biggest name in boxing? Hatton has no power here, he must take Floyd's terms UNLESS he's being absoluted raped.

Orthodox Crusader
06-26-2007, 06:00 PM
Dumbass.

What PPV of Hatton did more than Floyd-DLH, Floyd-Gatti, Floyd-Judah? When has Hatton earned anywhere close to what Floyd has won in those fights? Who's recognized as the best in the world coming from beating the biggest name in boxing? Hatton has no power here, he must take Floyd's terms UNLESS he's being absoluted raped.


First off, it used be the case that Ricky did a lot of fights on Cable, but they weren't PPV's. Thats just the way it was done back in England.

Second, with Ricky drawing HUGE live gates, the PPV figures went down somewhat. Thats to be expected.

Hatton has plenty of power here: especially given that Floyd has run his mouth. If Floyd offers a shitty contract he'll get laughed out of the business. He's forced to offer Ricky a proper contract, hell almost in SPITE of himself now.

Will Floyd MAN UP and come to London, like McClellan and Hagler, Tate and Winky did?? Probably not. He's too much of a self-centered self-serving fuck for that.

Well, if I was Ricky, I'd fight Cotto. In Michigan. See if that doesn't piss the little shit right off.

Orthodox Crusader
06-26-2007, 06:02 PM
which 5 people are the biggest RJJ nuthuggers on the board?

how many are white.

which 5 are the biggest hatton nuthuggers?

how many are black.

there are racial lines, even if its subliminal and unconscious

In honesty, Hatton has a lot of fans here, but precious few are "hugging his nuts". Even I am saying Hatton has to go for Cotto next. Most of the "nut hugging" is drawn from Floyds vitriol, rather than an innate desire to kiss Rickys ass.

Ricky needs to keep up the good work, and fight/beat Cotto.

When was the last time you heard a Roy Jones fan insist he took on Chad Dawson in his next fight??

Hex-One
06-26-2007, 07:12 PM
FLASH
Mayweather targets Hatton!
Floyd vows to beat him all the way back to England.
"Ricky Hatton has talked nonstop about fighting me for the last two weeks," says 'retired' WBC welterweight/super welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather. "He has disrespected me and my accomplishments in the ring, and I take that very seriously. I'm going to give him the opportunity to step up and fight the best in the world. I don't think this punk will take the challenge." A potential bout against Hatton would set the stage for a match-up between two of the sports best undefeated fighters. With his win over Castillo, Hatton improved his record to 43-0 with 31 KO's. Mayweather is 38-0 with 24 KO's. "Now that Hatton has opened up his big mouth, he might start to think about what he has been asking for," continued Mayweather. "Does he really want to step into the ring with best fighter of this era and embarrass himself? Being the coward that he is, I doubt he'll get in the ring. We'll see what his excuse will be this time."

ILLUMINATI
06-26-2007, 07:19 PM
I'm probably a few pages late...or a few days late...but..."Mayweather can't talk money with Hatton" :nono:...i think... Floyd can do 50/50

ILLUMINATI
06-26-2007, 07:21 PM
Dumbass.

What PPV of Hatton did more than Floyd-DLH, Floyd-Gatti, Floyd-Judah? When has Hatton earned anywhere close to what Floyd has won in those fights? Who's recognized as the best in the world coming from beating the biggest name in boxing? Hatton has no power here, he must take Floyd's terms UNLESS he's being absoluted raped.

the ppv #'s from UK would be huge....:rolleyes: right Hatton has to fight on Floyd's term...just because Mayweather "defeated" DLH doesn't mean he takes dlh mojo..

Neil
06-26-2007, 07:36 PM
Second, with Ricky drawing HUGE live gates, the PPV figures went down somewhat. Thats to be expected.


:lol: is this the most ignorant post of the day? his huge live gates are around 20,000 ppl, hardly a massive hit to a ppv draw. not to mention that all 20,000 wont separately order the ppv. you can cut that number at least in half and probably into 1/3 to safely say the live gate equals a 7,000 hit to PPV sales.

KaukipRrr
06-26-2007, 07:39 PM
"He has disrespected me and my accomplishments in the ring"

:laughing: Whaaaaat a fuuuuuuuuucken hypocrit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, this arsehole must have short term memory loss, or most likely, a disoriented form of 'pathism', that's the story of both Fraud and his fans, they can't even open thier mouths without chronicles of hypocrisy overriding thier bullshit like a tidal wave, it must be fucken frustrating. :crafty:

?H?L?QU?L?$
06-26-2007, 09:27 PM
the ppv #'s from UK would be huge....:rolleyes: right Hatton has to fight on Floyd's term...just because Mayweather "defeated" DLH doesn't mean he takes dlh mojo..
No, it's gonna be on Floyd's terms because he's the proven PPV commodity, he has earned in his last 5 fights more than double Hatton's best payday and is considered as the best fighter in the world, the fighter to beat. Are you guys that retarded to think Hatton is in command because he has been getting paid 1-2 million dolars with stadiums full of drunk brits in non PPV fights? Pleaaseeee. :rolleyes:

MassaCure
06-26-2007, 11:26 PM
No, it's gonna be on Floyd's terms because he's the proven PPV commodity, he has earned in his last 5 fights more than double Hatton's best payday and is considered as the best fighter in the world, the fighter to beat. Are you guys that retarded to think Hatton is in command because he has been getting paid 1-2 million dolars with stadiums full of drunk brits in non PPV fights? Pleaaseeee. :rolleyes:

yes illumanti is that ignorant

The Genius
06-27-2007, 05:04 AM
i always type like a retard, today is just one the bad days

Sometimes the rain man is just a spastic.

dsimon3387
06-27-2007, 05:06 AM
Joony - even though I would pick Cotto over Hatton, I honestly feel that Hatton is the bigger thread to floyd. Styles.

Cotto is just too patient and slow for Floyd, I'd love to see him win, but he'd just plod around getting potshotted the shit out of.

Hatton would go for it, no question, and wrestling or not, he'd just bullrush floyd, make him fight, pressure him.

Look at Corrales, as amazing as he was a fighter, he was patient. He wasn't a bullrush fighter, and neither is Cotto. That's why Floyd had his way with Corrales so easily. You can't wait for openings with floyd, you have to create them, and ruffle him, and make him fight.

Even little JEsus Chavez had success doing that. Castillo had success pressuring him with timing and a jab.

dsimon writes:

:bears: True. I think Hatton has the best chance of (Mosley, Hatton Cotto) and that Hatton would get beat by Cotto and Mosley.

ILLUMINATI
06-27-2007, 05:50 AM
No, it's gonna be on Floyd's terms because he's the proven PPV commodity, he has earned in his last 5 fights more than double Hatton's best payday and is considered as the best fighter in the world, the fighter to beat. Are you guys that retarded to think Hatton is in command because he has been getting paid 1-2 million dolars with stadiums full of drunk brits in non PPV fights? Pleaaseeee. :rolleyes:

Then there is no fight...Floyd can keep his ass in retirement..:rolleyes:. Mosley talking shit about him for the last 2-3 weeks but he jumps at a fight against Hatton at the first chance he gets.

slystaff
06-27-2007, 08:27 AM
Then there is no fight...Floyd can keep his ass in retirement..:rolleyes:. Mosley talking shit about him for the last 2-3 weeks but he jumps at a fight against Hatton at the first chance he gets.

When are you going to understand this very simple basic truth...

Hatton is a bigger and more meaningful fight than Mosley!

TKO
06-27-2007, 08:36 AM
IMO Shane is a better boxer than Hatton but after seeing Ricky at the way in and how he performed against Castillo, he’s still got the hunger. Before the Castillo fight I would have said Shane has the better chance of flooring PBF, but Ricky’s got that “eye of the tiger” back.

Orthodox Crusader
06-27-2007, 08:38 AM
:lol: is this the most ignorant post of the day? his huge live gates are around 20,000 ppl, hardly a massive hit to a ppv draw. not to mention that all 20,000 wont separately order the ppv. you can cut that number at least in half and probably into 1/3 to safely say the live gate equals a 7,000 hit to PPV sales.


You fuck, read all the posts...Hatton HAS NOT ALWAYS fought on PPV, Sky often ESCHEWED the PPV option even when they could have had massive figures. They got away with this by putting Hatton as a main event in England, with the attraction of the evening a big fight in the States, eg HATTON vs OLIVERIA in England, with Williams vs Vitali in the small hours.

The Hatton fight was FREE if you had Sky, but shit got fuzzy later on if you didn't fork up yer £16stg.

Hatton, at this stage, could do 35 million on Terrestrial. Thats over HALF of the Pop of GB. Can Fuckface Fraud match that??? Can he fuck........:flip:

TKO
06-27-2007, 08:39 AM
You fuck, read all the posts...Hatton HAS NOT ALWAYS fought on PPV, Sky often ESCHEWED the PPV option even when they could have had massive figures. They got away with this by putting Hatton as a main event in England, with the attraction of the evening a big fight in the States, eg HATTON vs OLIVERIA in England, with Williams vs Vitali in the small hours.

The Hatton fight was FREE if you had Sky, but shit got fuzzy later on if you didn't fork up yer £16stg.

Hatton, at this stage, could do 35 million on Terrestrial. Thats over HALF of the Pop of GB. Can Fuckface Fraud match that??? Can he fuck........:flip:

:bears:

The support for Ricky and Joe is amazing at the moment they both could sell out Wembley right now...

Orthodox Crusader
06-27-2007, 08:47 AM
:bears:

The support for Ricky and Joe is amazing at the moment they both could sell out Wembley right now...




:clap:

And on Separate nights.:nono: at that.

The only thing is that they might not get permission from the Police.!!

There would have to be a 6 month gap, just to keep shit under wraps.

And it would have to be planned carefully.

We don't want Man City at Arsenal, Chelsea, Fulham or Spurs the weekend that fight happens.:warning: :warning:

Jzsn95x2
06-27-2007, 09:32 AM
When are you going to understand this very simple basic truth...

Hatton is a bigger and more meaningful fight than Mosley!


Hatton is a bigger $$$ fight. It's only going to be more meaningful to the casual fan who's just looking at the undefeated records. Don't get me wrong I'm not bitching about it cause I want to see Floyd fight the Hatton's Mosleys, Cotto's and Margarito's, people who should be a test, and yes Hatton talked a bit of trash about Floyd but Mosley has been talking more as has Margarito so I don't like the "he's bad mouthing me and now I'm going to kick his ass" bit that Floyd's pulling.

Now Floyd can help me out here a bit if he fights Hatton at 140, by doing that he nips the Hatton looked like crap at 147 stuff in the bud, plus he can beat the man at the mans weight which looks a hell of a lot better on his resume.

Beyond the Grave
06-27-2007, 09:46 AM
New interview with Floyd up on BT. Tells Ricky all he has to do is sign the contract, and its his ass.

Lets see if Hatton steps up to the plate, or if he's all talk regarding Floyd.

If this fight doesn't go down X,it will be both there fault.

slystaff
06-27-2007, 10:00 AM
Hatton is a bigger $$$ fight. It's only going to be more meaningful to the casual fan who's just looking at the undefeated records. Don't get me wrong I'm not bitching about it cause I want to see Floyd fight the Hatton's Mosleys, Cotto's and Margarito's, people who should be a test, and yes Hatton talked a bit of trash about Floyd but Mosley has been talking more as has Margarito so I don't like the "he's bad mouthing me and now I'm going to kick his ass" bit that Floyd's pulling.

Now Floyd can help me out here a bit if he fights Hatton at 140, by doing that he nips the Hatton looked like crap at 147 stuff in the bud, plus he can beat the man at the mans weight which looks a hell of a lot better on his resume.

Hatton is a more meaningful fight as well: to BOTH the casual fans AND the rest of us.

The last big fight that Mosley has won was the De La Hoya rematch, which most people though he lost anyway. Since then he's lost twice to winky wright and has had a big fight. Shane is 35 years of age...people say Oscar is past his prime, well guess what...Shane is even older.

Shane has lost four fights and isn't a champion.

Hatton is the undefeated, undisputed TRUE Junior Welterweight champion of the world...stopped Kostya Tszyu relatively recently, which is a HUGE achievement, regardless of whether revisionists now want to label Kostya as being "shot" in that fight. He just stopped Castillo early...which is no mean feat.

It's a no brainer. Hatton is the big fight that Floyd would need, to be motivated after beating the box office star attraction...Oscar De La Hoya.

Jzsn95x2
06-27-2007, 10:42 AM
Hatton is a more meaningful fight as well: to BOTH the casual fans AND the rest of us.

The last big fight that Mosley has won was the De La Hoya rematch, which most people though he lost anyway. Since then he's lost twice to winky wright and has had a big fight. Shane is 35 years of age...people say Oscar is past his prime, well guess what...Shane is even older.

Shane has lost four fights and isn't a champion.

Hatton is the undefeated, undisputed TRUE Junior Welterweight champion of the world...stopped Kostya Tszyu relatively recently, which is a HUGE achievement, regardless of whether revisionists now want to label Kostya as being "shot" in that fight. He just stopped Castillo early...which is no mean feat.

It's a no brainer. Hatton is the big fight that Floyd would need, to be motivated after beating the box office star attraction...Oscar De La Hoya.

I understand your a Floyd fan, but don't discredit Mosley. I think Floyd Hatton if it isn't at 140 is all risk little reward for Floyd. Yes Hatton is undefeated and younger and the true JW champ, but Floyd is fighting 1 or 2 weights above JW. And the only time Hatton went above JW he looked like crap vs a much lesser opponent then Floyd would be, and yes Hatton just stopped Castillo early (@140) but Cotto just kicked the shit out of Zab another guy Floyd went 12 with and Cotto is fighting at 147 not 140, oh yeah and Cotto is also undefeated and young and hungry just like Hatton so why would you want a fight with a undefeated JW in Hatton when he can fight an undefeated WW in Cotto? Because Hatton is the bigger $$$$ fight. But that's just my opinion and in the end as long as Floyd isn't fighting the Bruseles's or Mitchell's then that's good enough.

slystaff
06-27-2007, 11:04 AM
I understand your a Floyd fan, but don't discredit Mosley. I think Floyd Hatton if it isn't at 140 is all risk little reward for Floyd. Yes Hatton is undefeated and younger and the true JW champ, but Floyd is fighting 1 or 2 weights above JW. And the only time Hatton went above JW he looked like crap vs a much lesser opponent then Floyd would be, and yes Hatton just stopped Castillo early (@140) but Cotto just kicked the shit out of Zab another guy Floyd went 12 with and Cotto is fighting at 147 not 140, oh yeah and Cotto is also undefeated and young and hungry just like Hatton so why would you want a fight with a undefeated JW in Hatton when he can fight an undefeated WW in Cotto? Because Hatton is the bigger $$$$ fight. But that's just my opinion and in the end as long as Floyd isn't fighting the Bruseles's or Mitchell's then that's good enough.

I agree that Cotto would be AS meanigful a fight, given that he's a titlist, in his prime and undefeated as well...but Cotto hasn't been talking the TRASH that Hatton has been. That's teh major difference.

If Cotto was calling Floyd boring and Sheryl Crowe etc....Floyd would have elected to fight him instead.

Jzsn95x2
06-27-2007, 11:13 AM
I agree that Cotto would be AS meanigful a fight, given that he's a titlist, in his prime and undefeated as well...but Cotto hasn't been talking the TRASH that Hatton has been. That's teh major difference.

If Cotto was calling Floyd boring and Sheryl Crowe etc....Floyd would have elected to fight him instead.

That's cause Cotto doesn't say anything about anybody other then "whatever my team thinks." :tease:

Erratic
06-27-2007, 11:41 AM
I understand your a Floyd fan, but don't discredit Mosley. I think Floyd Hatton if it isn't at 140 is all risk little reward for Floyd. Yes Hatton is undefeated and younger and the true JW champ, but Floyd is fighting 1 or 2 weights above JW. And the only time Hatton went above JW he looked like crap vs a much lesser opponent then Floyd would be, and yes Hatton just stopped Castillo early (@140) but Cotto just kicked the shit out of Zab another guy Floyd went 12 with and Cotto is fighting at 147 not 140, oh yeah and Cotto is also undefeated and young and hungry just like Hatton so why would you want a fight with a undefeated JW in Hatton when he can fight an undefeated WW in Cotto? Because Hatton is the bigger $$$$ fight. But that's just my opinion and in the end as long as Floyd isn't fighting the Bruseles's or Mitchell's then that's good enough.

Mayweather fighting anyone from the Hatton/Mosley/Cotto trio is fine with me. Oh, and the Williams/Margarito winner, but I don't think that's likely to happen.

I think Hatton will be better physically next time @ 147 because he'll have more time to prepare for the jump up in weight. Last time, it was on fairly short notice since he thought he was fighting Lazcano @ 140 but HBO rejected it, and then he moved up in short time.

It's a one weight class difference. I don't know if Mayweather can make 140 at this stage, maybe he can. He filled out pretty well @ 140 in the Gatti fight, maybe in the last 2 years he grew into 147. The fight would be @ 147, Floyd ain't going down to make it better for Ricky.

Mayweather-Hatton is overdue. It should've happened before but Hatton's team wanted more USA exposure and that HBO $$$.

I think Mayweather-Cotto is actually the most intriguing matchup, but that's not gonna happen this year regardless. I'm sure Floyd will yap about the relatively low PPV totals of his fight with Cotto (although Hatton's no proven PPV commodity either), but besides, Cotto is set to fight Margarito in the winter should he beat Williams.

Alabama_Man
06-27-2007, 11:43 AM
This fight is exciting to some of you but this is about the biggest mismatch I can think of style wise.

Hatton is going to have to try and hug someone who will be constantly moving and getting potshotted all the way through. Collazo had Hatton out on his feet just by using movement and using angles to punch at clumsy Hugman, and this is Floyd's game.

If this fight happens, Hatton is going to get brutalized.

Orthodox Crusader
06-27-2007, 12:08 PM
This fight is exciting to some of you but this is about the biggest mismatch I can think of style wise.

Hatton is going to have to try and hug someone who will be constantly moving and getting potshotted all the way through. Collazo had Hatton out on his feet just by using movement and using angles to punch at clumsy Hugman, and this is Floyd's game.

If this fight happens, Hatton is going to get brutalized.

Collazo:
Bigger than Floyd
Stronger than Floyd
Southpaw
Harder hitter
Longer arms
Natural Welter.

Plus: Hatton fought dumb, and still won.

Come on man....apples and apples.

slystaff
06-27-2007, 12:11 PM
It doesn't matter that Floyd just beat a Jnr Middleweight in Oscar. Ricky Hatton IS the bigger man, make no mistake.

It's kinda like how Oscar MOVED UP to fight Pernell Whitaker at 147lbs...but it's apparent that Oscar was the bigger man.

At the very least, Floyd and Hatton are the same size.

BananaSlug
06-27-2007, 12:16 PM
They're equally as guilty.

Hatton's a bigger draw than Floyd, but Floyd going to England simply ain't gonna happen.

Floyd's as full of caca as Hatton.

Those two won't fight.

Hatton a bigger draw than Floyd??? Are you serious... Floyd is known throughout the world, Hatton's fans are primarily in England...

I seriously doubt Hatton could get 2million PPV buys even if he was fighting Tyson and Holyfield on the same card...

Floyd would demand the lion's share and rightfully so... Mayweather is well-known and considered the best today and one of the all-time best... Hatton is still trying to make a name for himself...

Erratic
06-27-2007, 12:18 PM
It doesn't matter that Floyd just beat a Jnr Middleweight in Oscar. Ricky Hatton IS the bigger man, make no mistake.

It's kinda like how Oscar MOVED UP to fight Pernell Whitaker at 147lbs...but it's apparent that Oscar was the bigger man.

At the very least, Floyd and Hatton are the same size.

I dunno about that.

Oscar was taller and rangier than Whitaker, and seemed to have a thicker frame (hard to imagine him making those lower weights when he seemed bigger, I guess it's those intimidating animal-like shoulders). Floyd is taller and rangier than Ricky, but Hatton has a thicker frame.

Alabama_Man
06-27-2007, 12:19 PM
Collazo:
Bigger than Floyd
Stronger than Floyd
Southpaw
Harder hitter
Longer arms
Natural Welter.

Plus: Hatton fought dumb, and still won.



Bigger than Floyd - And? What does this have to do with anything, Collazo and Floyd don't rely on physical size to beat their opponents. They rely on guile and quickness.

Stronger than Floyd - Debatable.

Southpaw - It wasn't Collazo's stance that gave Hugman problems, it was his angles, and movement.

Harder hitter - Says who? Floyd has the higher KO percentage

Longer arms - Just plain wrong. They have an equal reach and Collazo has 1 inch of height on Floyd.

Natural Welter - So what? Floyd has shown he can handle fighters at 154, Collazo hasn't.

Hatton fought as he always does against Collazo, it's just that collazo wasn't a slow plodding fighter like Castillo or Urango. Floyd is all wrong for Hatton, the only reason I'd watch this fight is to see how many times Hatton gets hit cleanly before the crowd begins to grow quiet.

slystaff
06-27-2007, 12:20 PM
Hatton a bigger draw than Floyd??? Are you serious... Floyd is known throughout the world, Hatton's fans are primarily in England...

I seriously doubt Hatton could get 2million PPV buys even if he was fighting Tyson and Holyfield on the same card...

Floyd would demand the lion's share and rightfully so... Mayweather is well-known and considered the best today and one of the all-time best... Hatton is still trying to make a name for himself...

Tell me dis ting nah!!

Muzse is going senile. :old:

plrraz
06-27-2007, 02:27 PM
"The last big fight that Mosley has won was the De La Hoya rematch, which most people though he lost anyway."

Most people did NOT think El Helicoptor won the rematch, at least those watching the fight live. In fact most of the journalists had Shane winning comfortably.

I remember in the preface to the rebroadcast of the fight one of the hbOscar broadcasters (I think it was Lampley) made a comment along the lines of them seeing the fight differently than everyone else.

peace (as appropriated from donny)

KaukipRrr
06-27-2007, 08:11 PM
It doesn't matter that Floyd just beat a Jnr Middleweight in Oscar. Ricky Hatton IS the bigger man, make no mistake.

It's kinda like how Oscar MOVED UP to fight Pernell Whitaker at 147lbs...but it's apparent that Oscar was the bigger man.

At the very least, Floyd and Hatton are the same size.

Actually he's a midget, and I don't know where this information began, he was vastly smaller than Castillo, in width, height and reach, and he'll be inferior to Fraud in the same way, it's plain to see. Just because he bloats up into a fat bastard between fights only means he has a tendency to become obese, but at his fit weight, he's not 'bigger' in the slightest, he's SMALLER than Fraud.

MassaCure
06-27-2007, 09:41 PM
Floyd saying sign the contract and that's your ass means nothing as we don't know what the contract says. It could say 90/10 Floyd and the fight at 154 for all we know. Now if Floyd says he will come back to 140 or a catch weight and the split isn't something crazy then lets get it on.

wow great point, im not sure if any of us thought of that