RATE NASEEM HAMED AS {A} A Fighter {B} A Featherweight Champion.

[Orthodox Crusader]

I think the guy is seriously overrated, and fell short of greatness by a long chalk. But there is no doubt he could fight.

[*Z*]

The prince was one of my favorite fighters to watch. He was just so unusal. There is nobody like Hamed. The guy threw shots from the strangest angles and he hit hard! Too bad he didn't have the heart to continue after losing to MAB. There is no shame in losing to MAB.

[Orthodox Crusader]

The prince was one of my favorite fighters to watch. He was just so unusal. There is nobody like Hamed. The guy threw shots from the strangest angles and he hit hard! Too bad he didn't have the heart to continue after losing to MAB. There is no shame in losing to MAB.


i think this vid summarises my own sentiments perfectly

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[Orthodox Crusader]

go on naseem, give us, give us...give us a couple of fucking lines, ya fuckin bullshitter.....

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[Xplosive]

He had the best one-shot power in the history of 126, but overall was overrated as fuck and would have lost badly to any featherweight great.

[StingerKarl]

I think he is one of the All-Timers, to be sure.

[mexican wedding shirt]

He had the best one-shot power in the history of 126, but overall was overrated as fuck and would have lost badly to any featherweight great.

If he had the best one shot power ever at 126, he would have at least been stunned by the odd flush left hand he landed against MAB.

His power was overrated too. He got the odd flashy knockout from weird angles, but his raw power was nothing exceptional. Pacman punches harder at 126.

[Tam Tam]

Boxing fans are morons. They bitch and moan about there being no stars or talent...everyones overated...blh blah blah...and they never appreciate it when they DO have something special. There's never been anyone quite like the Prince before or since. He's a definite great.

[steve_dave]

Boxing fans are morons. They bitch and moan about there being no stars or talent...everyones overated...blh blah blah...and they never appreciate it when they DO have something special. There's never been anyone quite like the Prince before or since. He's a definite great.

:clap:

[mexican wedding shirt]

Boxing fans are morons. They bitch and moan about there being no stars or talent...everyones overated...blh blah blah...and they never appreciate it when they DO have something special. There's never been anyone quite like the Prince before or since. He's a definite great.

No he's not, he's a little bender that looks like a space monkey, who tried to hand pick his way to greatness, came a cropper when HBO forced him to fight MAB, then closed up shop and retired :bears:

Some great he was, one of the best eva! :bears: :lol:

He really proved his metal, did hamed.

"He couldn't knock me out, see I went the distance with him" :lol:

[Alabama_Man]

No he's not, he's a little bender that looks like a space monkey, who tried to hand pick his way to greatness, came a cropper when HBO forced him to fight MAB, then closed up shop and retired :bears:

Some great he was, one of the best eva! :bears: :lol:

He really proved his metal, did hamed.

"He couldn't knock me out, see I went the distance with him" :lol:

:lol:

Haveeb is the greatest rope flipper in the history of the sport, but nowhere near a great boxer.

[StingerKarl]

:lol:

Haveeb is the greatest rope flipper in the history of the sport, but nowhere near a great boxer.
No, but he was one of the best hitters at featherweight ever.

[Alabama_Man]

No, but he was one of the best hitters at featherweight ever.

I can agree with that. He had a decent punch for a featherweight.

I just don't think a fighter can be considered "great" unless they beat other great fighters.

[Rabid Kimba]

Boxing fans are morons. They bitch and moan about there being no stars or talent...everyones overated...blh blah blah...and they never appreciate it when they DO have something special. There's never been anyone quite like the Prince before or since. He's a definite great.

Who's the best fighter he ever beat?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

The bat-eared midget got his ass handed by the first decent fighter he ever faced.

Fuck that midget.

:lol:

[Rabid Kimba]

The Prince...
http://www.radio.usp.br/imagens/topogigio.jpg

:lol:

[mexican wedding shirt]

Who's the best fighter he ever beat?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

The bat-eared midget got his ass handed by the first decent fighter he ever faced.

Fuck that midget.

:lol:

That's what it boils down to. The first prime, elite fighter he faced beat the fuck out of him, embarrassed him and made him look like an amateur.

Hamed knew it, and that was the end of the hamed hype train.

Anyone who thinks hamed is a great fighter simply isn't very well versed in the sport.

He was like a fighter for the teenage generation. The britney of boxing.

[StingerKarl]

Hey man, to each his own, and I respect that.
I will say that I am glad that cat wasn't around thirty years ago when I was a featherweight.

[Rabid Kimba]

Hey man, to each his own, and I respect that.
I will say that I am glad that cat wasn't around thirty years ago when I was a featherweight.

Shit, Annette Funicello would've beaten your ass back then too.

:lol:

[StingerKarl]

Shit, Annette Funicello would've beaten your ass back then too.

:lol:

Yeah, right.
Since you know my name and hers, how about telling us all here who you are and your accomplishments in boxing?

[mexican wedding shirt]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Rabid Kimba]

Yeah, right.
Since you know my name and hers, how about telling us all here who you are and your accomplishments in boxing?

This has nothing to do with me...it's between the bat-eared midget, Annette Funicello, and you.

:lol:

[Xplosive]

Hey man, to each his own, and I respect that.
I will say that I am glad that cat wasn't around thirty years ago when I was a featherweight.

Who Hamed?:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

[StingerKarl]

You are on IGNORE, my friend and you will notice if you are capable of that, this is a "Boxing Only" forum, MODS please take note.
Karl

[Rabid Kimba]

If you can't take a little online criticism from posters such as myself, I really question how tough you really were as a boxer back in the day.

You are too thin-skinned, and if you call on the moderators, you are a snitch as well.

:old:

[Hertz]

Don't ignore me StinkerKarl, or maybe you better as you're starting to irritate me and that's not a good thing. Tell you what, you want to make something of this, just name your time and place and I'll slam you into the canvas like the self-overrating heavybag I guess you to be. :flip:

:old:

:eek:

[Rabid Kimba]

:laughing:

[teamtucker2007]

Loved his style, a breath of fresh air to boxing, invented his own style, will always be a fan, win,loss, or draw, wish that he would come back, great fighter, and champion

[Haymaker]

ortho: where's the amir khan KD video?? :dunno:

[StingerKarl]

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Don't ignore me StinkerKarl, or maybe you better as you're starting to irritate me and that's not a good thing. Tell you what, you want to make something of this, just name your time and place and I'll slam you into the canvas like the self-overrating heavybag I guess you to be. :flip:

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You know the time and the place, the question you have to ask yourself is if you are man enough to back up your threats?
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No more typing, just be there.
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[Rabid Kimba]

Damn Stinger Karl, you are too easy, get rid of that ignore function, lol.

Good one Hanzy, you got him good, lol.

:lol:

[TKO]

He was one annoying little punk, I was ecstatic when MAB schooled him. Then the guy quits like the bitch that I always knew he was.

How can you call someone great when he retired like that, that amazes me.

If the Rocket was a natural Featherweight the outcome of their fight would have been totally different.

[Erratic]

If the Rocket was a natural Featherweight the outcome of their fight would have been totally different.

Hamed wasn't exactly a natural featherweight, either.

[Erratic]

I think the guy is seriously overrated, and fell short of greatness by a long chalk. But there is no doubt he could fight.

He was a hard hitter with very good speed and reflexes, and one of the most unorthodox styles I have ever seen.

He probably has gone from overrated at the time to underrated in retrospect. He beat some good fighters and titleholders, however even before he got lazier and good ole' Oscar Suarez did his usual anti-magic for a fighter, I'd still make Naz an underdog against the featherweights like Morales/Pac/MAB.

[mikE]

Great fighter.
Substantial accomplishments.
Underachiever.

[joony]

he was an awesome fighter, but never beat a great champion in his prime. but then again, who was available during his reign?

i thought he was pretty much done by the time he fought barrera. the guy was unbelievebly fast during his pre-championship years, and he pretty much deteriorated since the johnson fight.

[slystaff]

A fighter:

One of the hardest punching fighters EVER. Fast handed, very elusive in his Jnr Featherweight prime. Great recuperative powers. Limited because of his unorthodox style as MAB exposed.

A Featherweight champion:

I can't rate him at all as he only fought ONE of the FOUR great Featherweights of his era: Barrera, Morales, Pacquiao and Marquez....and he lost miserably to him.

[ArturoGatti]

Damn Stinger Karl, you are too easy, get rid of that ignore function, lol.

Good one Hanzy, you got him good, lol.

:lol:It's Hertz, not Hanzy.:rolleyes:

[Baron]

Boxing fans are morons. They bitch and moan about there being no stars or talent...everyones overated...blh blah blah...and they never appreciate it when they DO have something special. There's never been anyone quite like the Prince before or since. He's a definite great.Totally Spot On. I used to hate the Prince but now I miss him. He was great for the sport and a great fighter to root against. We need figures like him in the sport.

[whiskey]

Totally Spot On. I used to hate the Prince but now I miss him. He was great for the sport and a great fighter to root against. We need figures like him in the sport.

My take as well. I never liked him, but i still was happy he was around at least for the entertainment value. He wasn't one of those guys i wished would just go away like Ruiz.

[The Cuban Hawk]

Hamed sucked. Just take a look at the video posted here, it says it all. There's a reason the guy quit like a bitch after what he showed in that fight. The guy had no skill whatsover.

[Hut*Hut]

Hamed was WAY on the downslide & infected by the rancid stink of Oscar Saurez's grubby little mits by the time Barrera got to him. Watch him get slapped around by Augie Sanchez, then stumble around for 12 rounds unable to do a damn THING with Manuel Calvo. Two utter bums. Two guys the Naz of 97,98 would have iced in 2 rounds.

Hamed was a flawed fighter. All time great? not quite. But just to post a vid of him staggering around like a hen toed drunk against Barrera then dismiss him as someone who couldn't fight is like posting Benitez-Hilton and saying that Benitez was ass.

[Hex-One]

Anyne here know why Hamed retired? He only has 1 loss?

[Erratic]

Anyne here know why Hamed retired? He only has 1 loss?

One loss in 2001, then one win in 2002, and then retirement.

Sounds familiar?

I think Hamed just didn't care anymore and was happy with all the money he had. Then he went to jail for a little while.

[KaukipRrr]

One loss in 2001, then one win in 2002, and then retirement.

Sounds familiar?

I think Hamed just didn't care anymore and was happy with all the money he had. Then he went to jail for a little while.

:bears: Is that Michael Winslow in your av mate?

[Erratic]

:bears: Is that Michael Winslow in your av mate?

It's Sho-Nuff from The Last Dragon.

I don't know his real name, but it's a different guy from the Police Academy series.

[REEDsART]

Hamed is the Classic Case of a Fighter who's Resume is NITPICKED Half to Death,N the Effort to Make him Look Bad...

Here's the Names...

Manuel Medina- MULTIPLE Time Feather Champ...
Tom Johnson- The BEST of the Feather Champs,when Prince Beat him...
Kevin Kelley- Former Feather Champ
Wilfredo Vasquez- Former Jr. Feather AND Feather Champ
Wayne McCullough- Former Bantam Champ
Paul Ingle- Former Feather Champ
Cesar Soto- Former Feather Champ
Vuyani Bungu- Former Jr Feather Champ
Marco Antonio Barrera- 3 Weight World Champ

Fans will Say,this Guy was THIS,that Guy was THAT,but U Can Nitpick ANY Resume if U Put your Mind to It...Sugar Ray Robinson's, Joe Louis', Roberto Duran's,ANYBODYS...

Peeps Loooooooooove the Say the Kevin Kelley was "Shot" when Prince Fought him,but the TRUTH Is,Kelley was 30 Years Old & Only had 1 Loss @ the Time...MORESO, 4 Years AFTER Prince Beat Kelley,it Took Erik Morales even MORE Rounds to Beat Kelley...& 3-4 Years AFTER THAT,it Took Barrera the SAME Length of Time to Beat Kelley...Shit,even TODAY,Kevin Kelley is STILL Upsetting Fighters...

Bottom Line,Kevin Kelley WAS NOT "Shot" when Prince KO'ed him N 1 of THE GREATEST Featherweight Fights of All Times....

Prince Took the WBO title from Steve Robinson,the IBF Title from Tom Johnson & the WBC Title from Cesar Soto...The WBA STRIPPED Wilfredo Vasquez for fighting Prince,but for All Intents & Purposes,he WAS the WBA Champ when Prince KO'ed him...

Hamed Basically UNIFIED All 4 of the Major Sanctioning Bodies...The 1st Fighter to EVER Do that...

Prince Made it FEASIBLE for Little Guys to Get Million Dollar Purses...EVERY Fighter from 130 lbs & BELOW should THANK Prince for Upping the Ante on THEIR Purses...

Old School Fight Fans HATED Prince Cause of his UNORTHODOXY...Contemporary Fans HATED Prince Because of his Arrogance...REED Absolutely ADORED the Little Dude...

REED has RARELY Felt the Level of Pre-Fight Excitement that Prince Bouts Generated...He was SPECIAL...

Yeah,he Went Out like BITCH After the Barrera Fight,but "Greatness" is about DOMINANCE Over a Period of Time & IMPACT on your Era...w/Out Question,Prince did that...


REED:cool:

[Xplosive]

It's Sho-Nuff from The Last Dragon.

I don't know his real name, but it's a different guy from the Police Academy series.

Bruce Leroy catches bullets with his teeth? CATCHES BULLETS WITH HIS TEETH? Nigga please!:lol:

[REEDsART]

It's Sho-Nuff from The Last Dragon.

I don't know his real name, but it's a different guy from the Police Academy series."SHO-GUN of Harlem"


REED:lol:

[mikE]

Hamed is the Classic Case of a Fighter who's Resume is NITPICKED Half to Death,N the Effort to Make him Look Bad...

Here's the Names...

Manuel Medina- MULTIPLE Time Feather Champ...
Tom Johnson- The BEST of the Feather Champs,when Prince Beat him...
Kevin Kelley- Former Feather Champ
Wilfredo Vasquez- Former Jr. Feather AND Feather Champ
Wayne McCullough- Former Bantam Champ
Paul Ingle- Former Feather Champ
Cesar Soto- Former Feather Champ
Vuyani Bungu- Former Jr Feather Champ
Marco Antonio Barrera- 3 Weight World Champ

Fans will Say,this Guy was THIS,that Guy was THAT,but U Can Nitpick ANY Resume if U Put your Mind to It...Sugar Ray Robinson's, Joe Louis', Roberto Duran's,ANYBODYS...

Peeps Loooooooooove the Say the Kevin Kelley was "Shot" when Prince Fought him,but the TRUTH Is,Kelley was 30 Years Old & Only had 1 Loss @ the Time...MORESO, 4 Years AFTER Prince Beat Kelley,it Took Erik Morales even MORE Rounds to Beat Kelley...& 3-4 Years AFTER THAT,it Took Barrera the SAME Length of Time to Beat Kelley...Shit,even TODAY,Kevin Kelley is STILL Upsetting Fighters...

Bottom Line,Kevin Kelley WAS NOT "Shot" when Prince KO'ed him N 1 of THE GREATEST Featherweight Fights of All Times....

Prince Took the WBO title from Steve Robinson,the IBF Title from Tom Johnson & the WBC Title from Cesar Soto...The WBA STRIPPED Wilfredo Vasquez for fighting Prince,but for All Intents & Purposes,he WAS the WBA Champ when Prince KO'ed him...

Hamed Basically UNIFIED All 4 of the Major Sanctioning Bodies...The 1st Fighter to EVER Do that...

Prince Made it FEASIBLE for Little Guys to Get Million Dollar Purses...EVERY Fighter from 130 lbs & BELOW should THANK Prince for Upping the Ante on THEIR Purses...

Old School Fight Fans HATED Prince Cause of his UNORTHODOXY...Contemporary Fans HATED Prince Because of his Arrogance...REED Absolutely ADORED the Little Dude...

REED has RARELY Felt the Level of Pre-Fight Excitement that Prince Bouts Generated...He was SPECIAL...

Yeah,he Went Out like BITCH After the Barrera Fight,but "Greatness" is about DOMINANCE Over a Period of Time & IMPACT on your Era...w/Out Question,Prince did that...


REED:cool:

Very well put.

[Rabid Kimba]

Anyne here know why Hamed retired? He only has 1 loss?

Because he realized how limited he was when he faced a really good fighter and got his ass beat, he knew had he stayed, he was gonna eventually savagely get knocked the fuck out, so the bat-eared midget pussy had no other choice but to bail from the game altogether.

:lol:

[Rabid Kimba]

Hamed is the Classic Case of a Fighter who's Resume is NITPICKED Half to Death,N the Effort to Make him Look Bad...

Here's the Names...

Manuel Medina- MULTIPLE Time Feather Champ...
Tom Johnson- The BEST of the Feather Champs,when Prince Beat him...
Kevin Kelley- Former Feather Champ
Wilfredo Vasquez- Former Jr. Feather AND Feather Champ
Wayne McCullough- Former Bantam Champ
Paul Ingle- Former Feather Champ
Cesar Soto- Former Feather Champ
Vuyani Bungu- Former Jr Feather Champ
Marco Antonio Barrera- 3 Weight World Champ

Lol, a lot of "former" champions on that list, lol.

It's a shit list of former has beens and paper champs, lol.

Guess what? Barrera was a lot more ring worn than all those guys, yet he's the one who battered the bat-eared midget, lol.

:lol:

[Rabid Kimba]

Prime Manny P vs prime bat-eared midget = comatose bat-eared midget.

:lol:

[Hanzy]

Bruce Leroy catches bullets with his teeth? CATCHES BULLETS WITH HIS TEETH? Nigga please!:lol:
:bears:
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[LATIN KING]

Prime Manny P vs prime bat-eared midget = comatose bat-eared midget.

:lol:that's true, unless manny got caught with something crazy I think his pressure would overwhelm Hamed who lacked fundamental skills.

I think Hamed could have been pretty good. I think he had great power and was incredibly athletic. But he just didn't care enough to become a better fighter.

[Xplosive]

Prime Manny P vs prime bat-eared midget = comatose bat-eared midget.

:lol:

Thats truly a MYTHICAL matchup cause Princess would have never came within a million miles of Pacman. Manny would kicked his ass all over the ring. Instead, if Hamhead was around today, he'd probably feast on someone extremely limited like Juarez.

[Tam Tam]

What a bunch of immature fucks you lot have turned out to be.

[Xplosive]

What a bunch of immature fucks you lot have turned out to be.

Why cause we're not dickriding Hamed? Hamed was a great puncher, but not a great fighter. In a historical sense I'd pick him over someone like Barry McGugian, Danny Lopez, or maybe Fennech, but he gets wasted by cats like Sanchez, Pedroza, Nelson, Arguello, Pac, prime Morales, ect.

[Rabid Kimba]

What a bunch of immature fucks you lot have turned out to be.

Yes, starting with your dumbass.

:lol:

[Azazel]

I liked hamed and he was defintively a dominant champ for a while, but no way in hell he's in an ATG, not even close.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

I rate Naseem Hamed as follows:
a) Fighter: 6/10 (got up off the canvas enough times to continue)
b) Featherweight Champion: 0/10 (champions don't quit after one defeat)
c) Media-Hype: 10/10
d) Muslim Fundamentalist: (undecided)

[TKO]

I rate Naseem Hamed as follows:
a) Fighter: 6/10 (got up off the canvas enough times to continue)
b) Featherweight Champion: 0/10 (champions don't quit after one defeat)
c) Media-Hype: 10/10
d) Muslim Fundamentalist: (undecided)

E) terrible behind the wheel
F) he sure loves a big mac these days

[Hut*Hut]

Why cause we're not dickriding Hamed? Hamed was a great puncher, but not a great fighter. In a historical sense I'd pick him over someone like Barry McGugian, Danny Lopez, or maybe Fennech, but he gets wasted by cats like Sanchez, Pedroza, Nelson, Arguello, Pac, prime Morales, ect.

I'd say considering the fact he beat 8 world champions in his 15 defences, he's not FAR below Pedroza and Nelson as a featherweight champion. But nonetheless I think that seems pretty fair to me. :clap:

[mexican wedding shirt]

What a bunch of immature fucks you lot have turned out to be.

What a grumpy, pompous ozzie you are.

Hamed is not an all time great, get over it, the guy never beat an elite fighter and quit after his first loss.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Old School Fight Fans HATED Prince Cause of his UNORTHODOXY...Contemporary Fans HATED Prince Because of his Arrogance...REED Absolutely ADORED the Little Dude...
No shit.
:rolleyes:

[Mean Mr Mustard]

How do the forum see Hamed faring against:
* Danny Lopez
* Salvador Sanchez
* Ruben Olivares
* Alexis Arguello
* Azumah Nelson
* Wilfredo Gomez

Being as all these guys could punch, I'd say 'not very good', being as Hamed was almost exclusively kept away from punchers.

[mexican wedding shirt]

I say hamed gets battered by all of them, barrera style. Sanchez would have knocked him out.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Boxing fans are morons. They bitch and moan about there being no stars or talent...everyones overated...blh blah blah...and they never appreciate it when they DO have something special. There's never been anyone quite like the Prince before or since. He's a definite great.
He was a boxer that attracted a specific fanbase...similar to that of women who claim to follow football yet nearly always root for Manchester United or Chelsea.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Anyone from the old Hamed forum around 1998 remember his 'Hit-List'?
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

[mexican wedding shirt]

He was a boxer that attracted a specific fanbase...similar to that of women who claim to follow football yet nearly always root for Manchester United or Chelsea.

Exactly, like I said - he was the Britney of boxing.

[TKO]

Exactly, like I said - he was the Britney of boxing.

:bears:

[Alabama_Man]

The only way Hamed batters an elite fighter is if he hits them with his McLaren. Otherwise he gets his ass kicked.

[Hanzy]

Exactly, like I said - he was the Britney of boxing.

But he was the reason why the featherweights have gotten so much attention and notoriety than ever before, don't you think? When did we ever contemplate featherweights headling ppvs? Hamed spiked the interest in the featherweights.

[Alabama_Man]

But he was the reason why the featherweights have gotten so much attention and notoriety than ever before, don't you think? When did we ever contemplate featherweights headling ppvs? Hamed spiked the interest in the featherweights.

I would say the Barrera-Morales' war in 2000 helped bring the featherweight division(s) into the limelight as well.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

But he was the reason why the featherweights have gotten so much attention and notoriety than ever before, don't you think? When did we ever contemplate featherweights headling ppvs? Hamed spiked the interest in the featherweights.
That's makes him a great boxer/fighter/champion, does it?

[adamiw]

It has become somewhat of a myth that Barrera thoroughly dominated Naz....highlights of Naz being lifted of his feet, and slammed into a corner post can give that impression...but go back and watch the whole fight...Barrera at times dominated, but on the whole is was a competitive fight which Naz won, imo, 4 rounds of.

Then if you can find it check out the fly-on-the-wall Naz documentary that was run on channel 4 - following Naz during the weeks building up to the fight - and ask yourself how different the fight, and Naz's career would have been if he applied the right attitude, management and training in preperation for this 'defining' bout.

Naz will go down as a great fighter, who never achieved truly great things...if that doesn't sound too much of a contradiction...talent wise he was phenominal.

At the very least, and isn't worthy of as much dispute, is that he was great for boxing in a way very few boxers have been in the last 20 years.

[Alabama_Man]

You know what I find funny? The same people who shit on Roy Jones Jr are defending Haveeb's accomplishments in this same thread. I won't name any names, but the irony is delicious. :lol:

[Tam Tam]

Hamed was the Mike Tyson or Donald Curry of 126. I find it funny that supporters of those two fighters are shitting on Hamed...but knowing X, he'll have a great excuse lined up.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Hamed was the Mike Tyson or Donald Curry of 126. I find it funny that supporters of those two fighters are shitting on Hamed...but knowing X, he'll have a great excuse lined up.

Tyson might be a fuck up and mental midget, but he was a fighter, not a popstar/entertainer/fighter.

And he did love the sport, respect it, and knew a fair amount of boxing history.

In his interviews with people that took him seriously and respected him like Harry Carpenter, Tyson was polite, eloquent, respectful etc and a pretty good guest.

Hamed in any case was a fucking retard with no respect for the sport, not one ounce of intelligence, just fucking bullshit. Regardless of the questions being asked of him the same old shit would come out of his mouth

"Yeah I cud beat floyd n moralizn borrera innit"

"also me iz bettuh dan muhammed ali, cos ali was good, but cud only fight in 1 dimension, but I can fight 3d".

If not for his antics and bullshit he would have been considered borderline world class. An oba carr type fighter. He was not a great fighter or a great champion, and the only thing he brought to the sport was money and teenage fans. The first great, prime fighter he faced crushed him like an insect and he fucking knew it was going to happen too.

[Alabama_Man]

Tyson might be a fuck up and mental midget, but he was a fighter, not a popstar/entertainer/fighter.

And he did love the sport, respect it, and knew a fair amount of boxing history.

In his interviews with people that took him seriously and respected him like Harry Carpenter, Tyson was polite, eloquent, respectful etc and a pretty good guest.

Hamed in any case was a fucking retard with no respect for the sport, not one ounce of intelligence, just fucking bullshit. Regardless of the questions being asked of him the same old shit would come out of his mouth

"Yeah I cud beat floyd n moralizn borrera innit"

"also me iz bettuh dan muhammed ali, cos ali was good, but cud only fight in 1 dimension, but I can fight 3d".

If not for his antics and bullshit he would have been considered borderline world class. An oba carr type fighter. He was not a great fighter or a great champion, and the only thing he brought to the sport was money and teenage fans. The first great, prime fighter he faced crushed him like an insect and he fucking knew it was going to happen too.

Not to mention he was on a "Praise Allah, Islam is the greatest religion in the world" phase before Barrera kicked his ass.

I don't care what religion fighters practice, but I never heard George Foreman call Christianity "the greatest religion in the world."

[Erratic]

I don't care what religion fighters practice, but I never heard George Foreman call Christianity "the greatest religion in the world."

How do you feel about Evander Holyfield?

[Tam Tam]

All im hearing is "wahhh I didn't like him!" "He was such a big mouthed jerk" "I hated his religion"...boo hoo. WTF are you all thirteen years old? I'd have expected boxing fans would b mature enough to separate a mans personality from the boxer himself.

Facts are simpl: Hamed defeated a bunch of quality fighters and unified a division, which at the time hadn't been done for about 15 years. He didn't "cheat" and pick up a couple of belts at a time, or beat an already unified champion. He went out and beat them all, himself.

Who beat him? Barrera. One of the 50 or so greatest fighters in history. Period. Ohhh but "he ran like a bitch"...blah blah. So did Felix Trinidad, yet he's a hero to a bunch of you. He got beat on his downslide...like Tyson, like Rosario, like Curry...he peaked early and didn't give a shit about training anymore. Life was too easy and apparently he truely believed his own press clippings.

That holds him back from being a true, all-time kind of fighter. But there are no doubts in my mind, Hamed was GREAT and could have been even better. I must have grown up in a different time, when being beaten (and not nearly as bad as Trinidad was) by a terrific, great fighter...means you sucked.

Pathetic.

[mexican wedding shirt]

All im hearing is "wahhh I didn't like him!" "He was such a big mouthed jerk" "I hated his religion"...boo hoo. WTF are you all thirteen years old? I'd have expected boxing fans would b mature enough to separate a mans personality from the boxer himself.

Facts are simpl: Hamed defeated a bunch of quality fighters and unified a division, which at the time hadn't been done for about 15 years. He didn't "cheat" and pick up a couple of belts at a time, or beat an already unified champion. He went out and beat them all, himself.

Who beat him? Barrera. One of the 50 or so greatest fighters in history. Period. Ohhh but "he ran like a bitch"...blah blah. So did Felix Trinidad, yet he's a hero to a bunch of you. He got beat on his downslide...like Tyson, like Rosario, like Curry...he peaked early and didn't give a shit about training anymore. Life was too easy and apparently he truely believed his own press clippings.

That holds him back from being a true, all-time kind of fighter. But there are no doubts in my mind, Hamed was GREAT and could have been even better. I must have grown up in a different time, when being beaten (and not nearly as bad as Trinidad was) by a terrific, great fighter...means you sucked.

Pathetic.

You're ignoring one crucial thing though aren't you. The first prime, world class, modern great fighter he fought totally fucking dismantled and dominated him. It's not like you can even say anything good about hamed's performance. He looked like an off balance retard amateur for the whole fight, and was shit scared before the first bell even rang.

You don't get on P4P lists and become a great fighter by beating people like johnston and medina.

Even Roy Jones had Hops and Toney to hark back to.

Hamed never faced an elite fighter until barrera, whereby he got his arse kicked and retired, that's all you need to know. If you refuse to acknowledge that - you're either dumb or a post, or a hamed groupie.

[Rabid Kimba]

All im hearing is "wahhh I didn't like him!" "He was such a big mouthed jerk" "I hated his religion"...boo hoo. WTF are you all thirteen years old? I'd have expected boxing fans would b mature enough to separate a mans personality from the boxer himself.

Facts are simpl: Hamed defeated a bunch of quality fighters and unified a division, which at the time hadn't been done for about 15 years. He didn't "cheat" and pick up a couple of belts at a time, or beat an already unified champion. He went out and beat them all, himself.

Who beat him? Barrera. One of the 50 or so greatest fighters in history. Period. Ohhh but "he ran like a bitch"...blah blah. So did Felix Trinidad, yet he's a hero to a bunch of you. He got beat on his downslide...like Tyson, like Rosario, like Curry...he peaked early and didn't give a shit about training anymore. Life was too easy and apparently he truely believed his own press clippings.

That holds him back from being a true, all-time kind of fighter. But there are no doubts in my mind, Hamed was GREAT and could have been even better. I must have grown up in a different time, when being beaten (and not nearly as bad as Trinidad was) by a terrific, great fighter...means you sucked.

Pathetic.

Oh great, you are one of those who excuses the bat-eared midget's ass kicking from Barrera as him being on the downslide, lol, shit, you forget Barrera was the one who at the time people were saying he himself was in fact the one who past his prime, not that bat-eared midget, lol, what a crock of shit, dude.

That bat-eared midget was in only one tough fight in his life prior to Barrera, and that was Kevin Kelly (himself past his prime), so how can you say he was past his prime, no, he was not, the bat-eared midget simply started running from decent to good fighters in America, and after his whupping to Barrera, he only fought one more time to a journeyman, and decided to hang em' up before being exposed to a real royal ass-raping.

Great fighters come back from defeats, your so-called all time best didn't, he sucks and he will always suck.

Fuck that bat-eared midget.

...oh yes, my turn, pathetic.

:lol:

[mexican wedding shirt]

Yeah it's an absolute crock of shit. Did he look shot just a year earlier, KOing vuyani bungi with 1 straight left?

No, he didn't. Less sprightly than when he was 18 sure, but past it? No.

Lest we not forget, hamed was a 3-1 or 4-1 favourite over barrera.

[Tam Tam]

Shot? Who said he was shot? I know I didn't. What he was, was 'lesser'. At least in my estimation. WOuld it have mattered? Who knows. Barrera was always a better fighter than Hamed though, so it might not have mattered.

One thing is certin though, this "domination" of Hamed has been exagerated terribly over the years. Hamed won rounds in that fight. Probably four or so. Barrera beat him and embarrassed him, because of the manor in which the fight evolved. Not because the fight itself was somehow terribly one sided...like Trinidad v Hopkins.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Shot? Who said he was shot? I know I didn't. What he was, was 'lesser'. At least in my estimation. WOuld it have mattered? Who knows. Barrera was always a better fighter than Hamed though, so it might not have mattered.

One thing is certin though, this "domination" of Hamed has been exagerated terribly over the years. Hamed won rounds in that fight. Probably four or so. Barrera beat him and embarrassed him, because of the manor in which the fight evolved. Not because the fight itself was somehow terribly one sided...like Trinidad v Hopkins.

It was almost as 1 sided as Hops - Tito. I have watched that fight a few times. Hamed won 2 rounds. He managed to make the scores a little less than a whitewash with those 2 rounds, + getting his face slammed into a ringpost.

Even the flush shots he hit barrera with did absolutely nothing, barrera was pretty much in control from start to finish. Hamed looked scared, flustered, and out of his depth.

[steve_dave]

Hamed won five rounds against MAB.

[Tam Tam]

It was almost as 1 sided as Hops - Tito. I have watched that fight a few times. Hamed won 2 rounds. He managed to make the scores a little less than a whitewash with those 2 rounds, + getting his face slammed into a ringpost.

Even the flush shots he hit barrera with did absolutely nothing, barrera was pretty much in control from start to finish. Hamed looked scared, flustered, and out of his depth.
Almost as one sided as Hops v Tito? Ok then. No point in going any further on it.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Hamed won five rounds against MAB.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[mexican wedding shirt]

Almost as one sided as Hops v Tito? Ok then. No point in going any further on it.

Yes, it really was. Just like Hops Vs Tito, once it got to about round 3 I knew that Hamed didn't stand a chance.

Like I said, he looked out of his depth, and his straight left was doing nothing to MAB.

Tito won 1 round, Hamed won 2.

Tell me which 4 rounds he won and I'll go back and watch the fight.

[steve_dave]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: Just messin'. I do agree with Tam though... it was not the blow-out that Lampley and crew would have you believe during the fight.

[Tam Tam]

Exactly. He was beaten and beaten clean...embarrassed because of his mouth and the attitude he brought to the ring. Not on the scorecards or with the action that took place. The legal action anyway.

He obviously bothered Barrera a few times. He broke Marco's nose as well from memory. Maybe Marco busted that in the dressing room though.

[mexican wedding shirt]

:lol: Just messin'. I do agree with Tam though... it was not the blow-out that Lampley and crew would have you believe during the fight.

I don't know about lampley and crew, I watched the Sky broadcast, who were of course wedged up hamed's rectum.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Yes, it really was. Just like Hops Vs Tito, once it got to about round 3 I knew that Hamed didn't stand a chance.

Like I said, he looked out of his depth, and his straight left was doing nothing to MAB.

Tito won 1 round, Hamed won 2.

Tell me which 4 rounds he won and I'll go back and watch the fight.

:dunno:

[Tam Tam]

:dunno:
Didn't see that post, mate. I can't tell you right now. I'm sitting in a coffee shop, drinking and eating lunch. I might watch the fight over the weekend or something.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Fair enough. I am serious though, I would be interested.

[Alabama_Man]

You're ignoring one crucial thing though aren't you. The first prime, world class, modern great fighter he fought totally fucking dismantled and dominated him. It's not like you can even say anything good about hamed's performance. He looked like an off balance retard amateur for the whole fight, and was shit scared before the first bell even rang.

You don't get on P4P lists and become a great fighter by beating people like johnston and medina.

Even Roy Jones had Hops and Toney to hark back to.

Hamed never faced an elite fighter until barrera, whereby he got his arse kicked and retired, that's all you need to know. If you refuse to acknowledge that - you're either dumb or a post, or a hamed groupie.

:lol:

Exactly. Trinidad beat many world class, in their prime fighters before he finally called it quits.

Haveeb got his ass kicked by the only one he faced. He was like a snake oil salesman who got caught selling tap water. He put away his tent of tricks and ran away with the money.

[Alabama_Man]

Hamed won five rounds against MAB.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Erratic]

Hamed won 3 rounds versus Barrera.

Trinidad won 1 round against Hopkins (the first), and that was a close round.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Tyson might be a fuck up and mental midget, but he was a fighter, not a popstar/entertainer/fighter.

And he did love the sport, respect it, and knew a fair amount of boxing history.

In his interviews with people that took him seriously and respected him like Harry Carpenter, Tyson was polite, eloquent, respectful etc and a pretty good guest.

Hamed in any case was a fucking retard with no respect for the sport, not one ounce of intelligence, just fucking bullshit. Regardless of the questions being asked of him the same old shit would come out of his mouth

"Yeah I cud beat floyd n moralizn borrera innit"

"also me iz bettuh dan muhammed ali, cos ali was good, but cud only fight in 1 dimension, but I can fight 3d".

If not for his antics and bullshit he would have been considered borderline world class. An oba carr type fighter. He was not a great fighter or a great champion, and the only thing he brought to the sport was money and teenage fans. The first great, prime fighter he faced crushed him like an insect and he fucking knew it was going to happen too.
He knew it in the dressing room before the fight (all that shit about checking out the gloves), on the way to the ring and for sure when for the 1st time ever, failed to flip over the ropes into the ring.
That guy knew he was beaten.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Let's recap on Hamed's opponents from the time he became a title-holder:
Steve Robinson: (not even worthy of being called a 'bum')

Said Lawal: see, above.

Daniel Alicea: bum who dropped Hamed.

Manuel Medina: feather-fisted, but decent feather who tagged Hamed a lot (that's when folks started to say, 'imagine what Barerra would've done here' )

Remigio Molina: bum.

Tom Johnson: great featherweight, but in the same category as Pedroza when McGuigan beat him: 32 years old and on-the-slide.

Billy Hardy: Oliver Hardy.

Juan Cabrera: bum.

Jose Badillo: bum.

Kevin Kelley: on-the-slide or not? But anyway,first decent fight and everyone sees the wheels clearly come off the Hamed-Bandwagon here. If there was any doubts about Hamed's validity as a boxer - it's here.

Wilfredo Vazquez: 40 years old? Older?

Wayne McCullough: ahhhh, yes....the first of the 'you're a bantamweight-who-can't-punch-why don't-you-move-up-and-fight-me?'.

Paul Ingle: not a bum, but definately categorized as 'workmanlike'.

Cesar Soto: now I admit, this was a step in the right direction, and Hamed wasn't entirely to blame in this horrid little affair.

Vuyani Bungu: another 'you're a bantamweight-who-can't-punch-why don't-you-move-up-and-fight-me?'. (I think Simes actually jerked off after seeing this fight.)

Augie Sanchez: bum.

Guys he avoided (or rather who Warren kept him away from for whatever reasons): Hector Lizaragga, Luisito Espinosa, Junior Jones, Kennedy McKinney, Istvan Kovaks, Juan Manuel Marquez, Freddie Norwood,

Which leads us to the fight with Marco Antonio Barrera. And I bet hardly anyone remembers that his piece of shit brother, Riath, picked a matchup Barrera instead of Morales following their first war cos:
a) he thought he was the more damaged out of the two as a result, and
b) even though Morales won that fight, the Hamed Camp still went after Barerra?!?

The proof of the pudding is in the documentary, 'Big Fight, Little Prince' - if you haven't seen it and you want to know what Hamed was all about....then that's the reference point.

[Hertz]

All im hearing is "wahhh I didn't like him!" "He was such a big mouthed jerk" "I hated his religion"...boo hoo. WTF are you all thirteen years old? I'd have expected boxing fans would b mature enough to separate a mans personality from the boxer himself.

Facts are simpl: Hamed defeated a bunch of quality fighters and unified a division, which at the time hadn't been done for about 15 years. He didn't "cheat" and pick up a couple of belts at a time, or beat an already unified champion. He went out and beat them all, himself.

Who beat him? Barrera. One of the 50 or so greatest fighters in history. Period. Ohhh but "he ran like a bitch"...blah blah. So did Felix Trinidad, yet he's a hero to a bunch of you. He got beat on his downslide...like Tyson, like Rosario, like Curry...he peaked early and didn't give a shit about training anymore. Life was too easy and apparently he truely believed his own press clippings.

That holds him back from being a true, all-time kind of fighter. But there are no doubts in my mind, Hamed was GREAT and could have been even better. I must have grown up in a different time, when being beaten (and not nearly as bad as Trinidad was) by a terrific, great fighter...means you sucked.

Pathetic.

I do notice that the posters who seem to agree with you (me too btw) tend to say that Hamed was a pretty solid champ, but could have been better etc and then they move on to another topic. However the guys who disagree really seem to HATE him and can't let it go. They do mainly sound like children and come across as spiteful and bitter as if the guy still threatens them or something.

It's not as if Hamed is being overrated and needs a bunch of negative trolling. He's pretty much underrated if anything.

[Baron]

Istvan Kovacs?:laughing: :lol:

Come on now, he got wasted by Chacon and even though he was skilled and accomplished as an amateur, Kovacs wasn't accomplished enough as a pro to be "ducked". And anyway, he's guilty of the same crime as Hamed, calling it quits after his first loss. It's funny that you bash Hamed for quitting after his first loss but list Kovacs as a "deserving guy" he ducked.

[Baron]

What cracks me up here is that a lot of people that talk shit about Hamed were probably the ones that were OUTRAGED when the Barrera fight was made. I remember people were saying he was ducking Morales and calling out another Bantamweight, few people picked Barrera to beat him. It's kind of paradoxal to be outraged at this fight and call Hamed a fraud a few years after because it shows the perception people had of Hamed back then, they knew he was an upper echelon fighter because most people tought Barrera, who was already seen as a very accomplished fighter back then, was a gimme, especially his haters.

[TKO]

What cracks me up here is that a lot of people that talk shit about Hamed were probably the ones that were OUTRAGED when the Barrera fight was made. I remember people were saying he was ducking Morales and calling out another Bantamweight, few people picked Barrera to beat him. It's kind of paradoxal to be outraged at this fight and call Hamed a fraud a few years after because it shows the perception people had of Hamed back then, they knew he was an upper echelon fighter because most people tought Barrera, who was already seen as a very accomplished fighter back then, was a gimme, especially his haters.

Anyone who thought Hamed would beat MAB easily or that the was a gimme, is a f**king idiot.

[Baron]

Anyone who thought Hamed would beat MAB easily or that the was a gimme, is a f**king idiot.With the benefit of hindsight it's so easy to say. Today, it seems like EVERYBODY knew MAB would school Hamed, yet Hamed was a 3-1 favourite... Same for Tito-Hopkins, EVERYBODY knew Hopkins would school him, yet Tito a was clear favourite. I'm not ashamed to say I picked Hamed and Tito to win, but I might be the only one in this thread... A lot of people here are fucking full of shit.

[TKO]

With the benefit of hindsight it's so easy to say. Today, it seems like EVERYBODY knew MAB would school Hamed, yet Hamed was a 3-1 favourite... Same for Tito-Hopkins, EVERYBODY knew Hopkins would school him, yet Tito a was clear favourite. I'm not ashamed to say I picked Hamed and Tito to win, but I might be the only one in this thread... A lot of people here are fucking full of shit.

I take your point and I thought Tito would have got the win against B-Hop, but as for Hamed I was always looking forward to him figthing MAB or Morales.

[Alabama_Man]

Actually Mexican Radio and I were part of the "Haveeb gets his ass kicked by MAB bandwagon" on SecondsOut.com and SIMES kept trying to bully me into making a $5,000 bet. :lol:

I wasn't 100% sure about my pick, neither did I have $5,000 at the time but I clearly picked Barrera against Haveeb when all the Haveeb fanboys were talking about 1st or 2nd round knockout. I just didn't see someone who got rocked and dropped by Augie Sanchez knocking out MAB ever.

[Baron]

Actually Mexican Radio and I were part of the "Haveeb gets his ass kicked by MAB bandwagon" on SecondsOut.com and SIMES kept trying to bully me into making a $5,000 bet. :lol:

I wasn't 100% sure about my pick, neither did I have $5,000 at the time but I clearly picked Barrera against Haveeb when all the Haveeb fanboys were talking about 1st or 2nd round knockout. I just didn't see someone who got rocked and dropped by Augie Sanchez knocking out MAB ever.Then you surely remember the outrage of some posters that were taking Hamed's victory for granted, saying that Barrera was close to shot, did get knocked out by Jr. Jones and was just another bantam with no punch. You certainly were in the minority back then.

[mikE]

I just didn't see someone who got rocked and dropped by Augie Sanchez knocking out MAB ever.

Maybe you need to look into the background of the guy who first KO'd Barrera before you brag about this insight.

[Alabama_Man]

Then you surely remember the outrage of some posters that were taking Hamed's victory for granted, saying that Barrera was close to shot, did get knocked out by Jr. Jones and was just another bantam with no punch. You certainly were in the minority back then.

Yeah of course. Basically on SO's, it was every person from the U.K talking about how Barrera was a face first brawler and Naz would get him in the first 4 rounds tops. It was Mexican Radio, myself, and Everlast who were telling them that this wasn't going to be an easy fight and we got hell just for that.

In fact, I was on the other end of a debate about Barrera back then too. The entire U.K crew was saying how Richie Wenton was going to beat Barrera by TKO or wide decision. :laughing:

Their excuse was, "He beat Too Sharp before and Too Sharp is twice the boxer barrera is." :laughing:

Man Barrera got hated on back then.

[Alabama_Man]

Maybe you need to look into the background of the guy who first KO'd Barrera before you brag about this insight.

Stop following me around the boards. I already replied to your PM and I'm not gay.

[ArturoGatti]

Maybe you need to look into the background of the guy who first KO'd Barrera before you brag about this insight.That was a dq.:nono:

[mikE]

Stop following me around the boards. I already replied to your PM and I'm not gay.

Impressive. Not one thing in your post was true.

[Alabama_Man]

Impressive. Not one thing in your post was true.

Then why are you following me right now? :dunno:

Face it, you want to man-love me. :eeeek:

[mikE]

That was a dq.:nono:
No one who has seen the fight would try to argue this technicality.

[Alabama_Man]

That was a dq.:nono:

miKE doesn't know much about boxing. I'm not surprised he can't even get a simple bout result correct.

Maybe he should watch Nascar, boxing is too difficult for him to understand. :lol:

[Baron]

miKE doesn't know much about boxing. I'm not surprised he can't even get a simple bout result correct.

Maybe he should watch Nascar, boxing is too difficult for him to understand. :lol:Come on dude, Barrera was on queer street when his trainer stepped in the ring to save him. Seriously, anyone that tries to argue that Barrera wasn't out and could have continued seriously need to give himself a good slap in the face.

[Alabama_Man]

Come on dude, Barrera was on queer street when his trainer stepped in the ring to save him. Seriously, anyone that tries to argue that Barrera wasn't out and could have continued seriously need to give himself a good slap in the face.

It was the end of the round basically, and had MAB gotten the one minute to recover, who knows what would've happened? :dunno:

[Baron]

It was the end of the round basically, and had MAB gotten the one minute to recover, who knows what would've happened? :dunno:If his trainer didn't believe in him enough to let him beat the count, what makes you think Barrera would have been able to recover? I mean, Jones was tagging him a lot throughout the first four rounds, it wasn't an out of nowhere shot here, Jones had Barrera figured out and IMO, even IF, and that's a big IF, Barrera beat the count and ended the round on his feet, I doubt he would have been able to finish the fight without being Knocked out.

[Erratic]

If his trainer didn't believe in him enough to let him beat the count, what makes you think Barrera would have been able to recover? I mean, Jones was tagging him a lot throughout the first four rounds, it wasn't an out of nowhere shot here, Jones had Barrera figured out and IMO, even IF, and that's a big IF, Barrera beat the count and ended the round on his feet, I doubt he would have been able to finish the fight without being Knocked out.

Barrera had gotten too much time to recover from that right hand that dropped him, anyway.

[Baron]

Barrera had gotten too much time to recover from that right hand that dropped him, anyway.I didn't remember that, thanks.

[ArturoGatti]

No one who has seen the fight would try to argue this technicality.I was busting your balls.

[mikE]

I was busting your balls.

Well done.

I'm guessing Southern State_Douchebag will claim the same thing to save face.

[cro]

If he had the best one shot power ever at 126, he would have at least been stunned by the odd flush left hand he landed against MAB.

His power was overrated too. He got the odd flashy knockout from weird angles, but his raw power was nothing exceptional. Pacman punches harder at 126.Fuck that. No way Pac hit harder at 126. Only Arguello and Lopez are in the ball park for power at 126 and maybe throw in Saddler. Id take Nazs overall power with either hand over any of them.

[Orthodox Crusader]

He had the best one-shot power in the history of 126, but overall was overrated as fuck and would have lost badly to any featherweight great.


how hard did saddler hit??? not to mention he could actually find pep with shots.....

[TKO]

how hard did saddler hit??? not to mention he could actually find pep with shots.....


guess whos back.....back again...:lol:

[Orthodox Crusader]

Hamed is the Classic Case of a Fighter who's Resume is NITPICKED Half to Death,N the Effort to Make him Look Bad...

Here's the Names...

Manuel Medina- MULTIPLE Time Feather Champ...
Tom Johnson- The BEST of the Feather Champs,when Prince Beat him...
Kevin Kelley- Former Feather Champ
Wilfredo Vasquez- Former Jr. Feather AND Feather Champ
Wayne McCullough- Former Bantam Champ
Paul Ingle- Former Feather Champ
Cesar Soto- Former Feather Champ
Vuyani Bungu- Former Jr Feather Champ
Marco Antonio Barrera- 3 Weight World Champ

Fans will Say,this Guy was THIS,that Guy was THAT,but U Can Nitpick ANY Resume if U Put your Mind to It...Sugar Ray Robinson's, Joe Louis', Roberto Duran's,ANYBODYS...

Peeps Loooooooooove the Say the Kevin Kelley was "Shot" when Prince Fought him,but the TRUTH Is,Kelley was 30 Years Old & Only had 1 Loss @ the Time...MORESO, 4 Years AFTER Prince Beat Kelley,it Took Erik Morales even MORE Rounds to Beat Kelley...& 3-4 Years AFTER THAT,it Took Barrera the SAME Length of Time to Beat Kelley...Shit,even TODAY,Kevin Kelley is STILL Upsetting Fighters...

Bottom Line,Kevin Kelley WAS NOT "Shot" when Prince KO'ed him N 1 of THE GREATEST Featherweight Fights of All Times....

Prince Took the WBO title from Steve Robinson,the IBF Title from Tom Johnson & the WBC Title from Cesar Soto...The WBA STRIPPED Wilfredo Vasquez for fighting Prince,but for All Intents & Purposes,he WAS the WBA Champ when Prince KO'ed him...

Hamed Basically UNIFIED All 4 of the Major Sanctioning Bodies...The 1st Fighter to EVER Do that...

Prince Made it FEASIBLE for Little Guys to Get Million Dollar Purses...EVERY Fighter from 130 lbs & BELOW should THANK Prince for Upping the Ante on THEIR Purses...

Old School Fight Fans HATED Prince Cause of his UNORTHODOXY...Contemporary Fans HATED Prince Because of his Arrogance...REED Absolutely ADORED the Little Dude...

REED has RARELY Felt the Level of Pre-Fight Excitement that Prince Bouts Generated...He was SPECIAL...

Yeah,he Went Out like BITCH After the Barrera Fight,but "Greatness" is about DOMINANCE Over a Period of Time & IMPACT on your Era...w/Out Question,Prince did that...


REED:cool:



Michael Carbajal and Kevin Kelley had done the groundwork for the little guys. Hamed took advantage of their spadework, so don't be dressing it up as Hameds.

Hamed "dominated" one of the SHITTIEST featherweight divisions ever. Fuck, before Hamed even fought Medina, Medina and Boom Boom Johnson {i ask you....} were knocking lumps out of each other. Medina and Boom Boom Johnson.

Hamed NEVER unified all the belts. He WON all the belts, but he never unified, basically or otherwise. Basically my balls.

I like your point about Kevin Kelley and Morales. But Erik was coming UP from 122, and, while Hamed did too, Hamed was at 126 FOR WAAAAYYYY LONGER when he fought Kelley. And Hamed was always a puncher. And Morales didn't get floored no 3 times in under 4 rounds like Hamed did. That works both ways......Coralles stopped Manfredy in 3 rounds 2 years AFTER Mayweather had done it in 2 rounds. You can nitpick, but they both basically beat the shit out of him, one of them just did it a bit more convincingly.

Ironically, the greatest problem with Hamed is the same one we have with Mayweather. All the talk. All the 3rd person references. Paradoxically, Hamed said he would fight Mayweather. "Bring It" were Hameds words. Mayweather said he would see Hamed coming..."too wild, too short". Hamed talked good fights but, Augie Sanchez, Kevin Kelley...do me a fayva.

When it was all said and done, he lost to MAB. And then he disappeared.

Great fighter, innately, but he lacked the intangibles. When he lost to MAB {and he lost BIG...totally embarassed, ISLAM on his shorts or not} he didn't do the SRL thing and go back to the gym. He quit and got fat.

Fighter: 8/10

Champion 6/10.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Hamed won five rounds against MAB.


TOPS

4 is a more accurate appraisal, and the point deduction masks Barreras dominance.

However the point deduction also illustrates how painfully dominant Barrera had come by that stage. Hamed was just basically being worn down to the stage where Barrera felt he could play the guy.

[Orthodox Crusader]

guess whos back.....back again...:lol:


da da da........


The Most Unstoppable Muther In The History Of Fightbeat.


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- The Irish Times

"Calls It As It Is"
-The Telegraph

"I Wish I Had Balls Like Him"
-Steve "Shitpants" Dave.

"Pound-For-Pound The Most Unstoppable Poster Ever"
-Ring Magazine

"I Want Ortho Next"
-Shannon Briggs.

[TKO]

da da da........


The Most Unstoppable Muther In The History Of Fightbeat.


"Unbannable"
- The Irish Times

"Calls It As It Is"
-The Telegraph

"I Wish I Had Balls Like Him"
-Steve "Shitpants" Dave.

"Pound-For-Pound The Most Unstoppable Poster Ever"
-Ring Magazine

"I Want Ortho Next"
-Shannon Briggs.

:lol:

[Orthodox Crusader]

:lol:


HEEEERRRRRRESSSSS ORTHO

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[TKO]

more like......

http://www.wonderlandblog.com/photos/uncategorized/r2d2.jpg

[ArturoGatti]

Well done.

I'm guessing Southern State_Douchebag will claim the same thing to save face.Perhaps, but what does that have to do with me?

[Baron]

da da da........


The Most Unstoppable Muther In The History Of Fightbeat.


"Unbannable"
- The Irish Times

"Calls It As It Is"
-The Telegraph

"I Wish I Had Balls Like Him"
-Steve "Shitpants" Dave.

"Pound-For-Pound The Most Unstoppable Poster Ever"
-Ring Magazine

"I Want Ortho Next"
-Shannon Briggs.:lol: :lol:

[ArturoGatti]

da da da........


The Most Unstoppable Muther In The History Of Fightbeat.


"Unbannable"
- The Irish Times

"Calls It As It Is"
-The Telegraph

"I Wish I Had Balls Like Him"
-Steve "Shitpants" Dave.

"Pound-For-Pound The Most Unstoppable Poster Ever"
-Ring Magazine

"I Want Ortho Next"
-Shannon Briggs.:bears:

[ArturoGatti]

steve_dave, you had Barrerra winning by a single point? :dunno:

[Orthodox Crusader]

steve_dave, you had Barrerra winning by a single point? :dunno:


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Orthodox Crusader]

:lol: :lol:


I aim to please.:cheer:

[mikE]

Michael Carbajal and Kevin Kelley had done the groundwork for the little guys. Hamed took advantage of their spadework, so don't be dressing it up as Hameds.
They did the groundwork, along with Chiquita, but Hamed didn't and wouldn't have needed their help. It's not like Hamed became so popular in England because of their exposure. Does Beckham owe his popularity to Maradona?


Hamed "dominated" one of the SHITTIEST featherweight divisions ever. Fuck, before Hamed even fought Medina, Medina and Boom Boom Johnson {i ask you....} were knocking lumps out of each other. Medina and Boom Boom Johnson.
No one claimed this at the time. I admit I don't know how it compares to past eras, but based on the quality of the rest of your post, I doubt you do either. But, if you do, enlighten us. It's not a bad point if you're right.

Imo, Medina and Johnson were both quality fighters (along with others on Hamed's resume); if not HOF guys, they are almost HOF guys. Medina will make it, I'd guess, and Johnson was better than Medina.



Hamed NEVER unified all the belts. He WON all the belts, but he never unified, basically or otherwise. Basically my balls.

Fine, your balls. When you beat all of the champs or guys who get stripped because they are fighting you, you do basically unify the belts. That's the point of using 'basically' as a qualifier.

Dariusz did the same thing to a lesser extent because he's weaker on the WBC belt. And when the guys who win belts that you don't currently have are previous victims, there is very little to argue.

[Alabama_Man]

Perhaps, but what does that have to do with me?

Nothing, but when miKE is getting owned as badly as he is in this thread, he tends to lash out. :dunno:

[MassaCure]

Boxing fans are morons. They bitch and moan about there being no stars or talent...everyones overated...blh blah blah...and they never appreciate it when they DO have something special. There's never been anyone quite like the Prince before or since. He's a definite great.

im tired of the overrated talk, if everyone is overrated, then who the fuck is actually good?

[mikE]

Nothing, but when miKE is getting owned as badly as he is in this thread, he tends to lash out. :dunno:

You are one ignorant douchebag.

When he admits he was 'busting my balls', that means he disagrees with the moronic point you attempted to make.

When a cornerman steps in to save his fighter, it's the same as throwing in the towell and should be considered a TKO, not a dq, regardless of what it is labeled.

Please, try again.

It was the end of the round basically, and had MAB gotten the one minute to recover, who knows what would've happened? :dunno:

You'd still be an ignorant douche, that's what would have happened.

[Orthodox Crusader]

They did the groundwork, along with Chiquita, but Hamed didn't and wouldn't have needed their help. It's not like Hamed became so popular in England because of their exposure. Does Beckham owe his popularity to Maradona?


No one claimed this at the time. I admit I don't know how it compares to past eras, but based on the quality of the rest of your post, I doubt you do either. But, if you do, enlighten us. It's not a bad point if you're right.

Imo, Medina and Johnson were both quality fighters (along with others on Hamed's resume); if not HOF guys, they are almost HOF guys. Medina will make it, I'd guess, and Johnson was better than Medina.


Fine, your balls. When you beat all of the champs or guys who get stripped because they are fighting you, you do basically unify the belts. That's the point of using 'basically' as a qualifier.

Dariusz did the same thing to a lesser extent because he's weaker on the WBC belt. And when the guys who win belts that you don't currently have are previous victims, there is very little to argue.


Exactly, when was the last time anyone tried to make DM out as UNDISPUTED??:doh: :laughing:

Medina will get in on longevity alone. But the guy is a serial loser/winner/loser. He avenges his wins with losses.

Hamed got pop in England cos he was the 1st marketable Asian star, and a Muslim in the pre 9-11 era. Hither to, GB didn't have an Asian stand out in the Sports world, and his continuous Chav-Brit-90's harping on brought in the fringe elements, guys who would have been off supporting Hatton and Calzaghe but for the fact that their careers were at an embryonic stage. Hamed also benefitted from the wake of the terrestrial wars of Benn, McClellan, Eubank etc.

So he rode plenty of coat tails my man!!

Name 1 really highly paid lower weight fighter since Hamed that wouldn't have made money off of their own account anyways????

[MassaCure]

Nothing, but when miKE is getting owned as badly as he is in this thread, he tends to lash out. :dunno:

i doubt he takes posting on a message board that seriously

[mikE]

Exactly, when was the last time anyone tried to make DM out as UNDISPUTED??:doh: :laughing:

Medina will get in on longevity alone. But the guy is a serial loser/winner/loser. He avenges his wins with losses.

Hamed got pop in England cos he was the 1st marketable Asian star, and a Muslim in the pre 9-11 era. Hither to, GB didn't have an Asian stand out in the Sports world, and his continuous Chav-Brit-90's harping on brought in the fringe elements, guys who would have been off supporting Hatton and Calzaghe but for the fact that their careers were at an embryonic stage. Hamed also benefitted from the wake of the terrestrial wars of Benn, McClellan, Eubank etc.

So he rode plenty of coat tails my man!!

Name 1 really highly paid lower weight fighter since Hamed that wouldn't have made money off of their own account anyways????

Dariusz doesn't get the credit (and I'm not saying he should) because of the wbc belt. It's a lot more technical of an argument (Beating Rocc who was in retrospect the wbc champ). With Hamed, everything is bing, bing, bing, bing--> Unified and undisputed.

Agree about Medina.

I don't understand (at all) what the "continuous Chav-Brit-90's harping on brought in the fringe elements" means?

I disagree about Hamed's popularity being related to Kelley, Carbajal, etc, and I disagree that Eubank, Benn, etc, and his being Mid Eastern has anything to do with it, either. Hamed's personality, talent, success, and fighting style would make him popular regardless of the country he's from or the country he's fighting from or the time in which he is fighting. Truly someone who transcends the sport, imo.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Dariusz doesn't get the credit (and I'm not saying he should) because of the wbc belt. It's a lot more technical of an argument (Beating Rocc who was in retrospect the wbc champ). With Hamed, everything is bing, bing, bing, bing--> Unified and undisputed.

Agree about Medina.

I don't understand (at all) what the "continuous Chav-Brit-90's harping on brought in the fringe elements" means?

I disagree about Hamed's popularity being related to Kelley, Carbajal, etc, and I disagree that Eubank, Benn, etc, and his being Mid Eastern has anything to do with it, either. Hamed's personality, talent, success, and fighting style would make him popular regardless of the country he's from or the country he's fighting from or the time in which he is fighting. Truly someone who transcends the sport, imo.


90's England saw the Ushering in of a new era of "fan"......and what Hamed did/said appealed very much to them. Thats all that means. An under-educated fan base who knew little, in serious terms, about fights and fight business, but who responded to the Union Jack and the bling.

In terms of timing Hamed couldn't have done it better: weak division, and the absence of other British Mega stars. Shit, Lewis didn't get around to fighting Oldyfield until 1999, and Calzaghe and Hatton were only getting started. Shit, Calzaghe and Hatton have only peaked within the last 2 years. Still, a lot of the "Brit Fighter" mentality had been laid down by guys like Eubank, Benn, who had been doing their thing since 1990.

There is no escaping that Hamed fought a lot of very very handpicked/safe opponents.{I mean, Bungu got a 12 round decision over Danny Romero...a former flyweight} He did fight a lot of non-punchers etc. Morales, MAB were safely tucked away at 122, Pac didn't exist, and he could keep talking shit while avoiding Kovacs, and, more importantly, JMM.

When you list the guys he did fight, you have to look at the guys he didn't fight:

1.Morales

2.JMM

3.Lizzarraga

Thats just for the openers. He talked shit about Mayweather too...:rolleyes: He also said he wanted Pac, after Pac beat Morales.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[dymipepel]

Thats just for the openers. He talked shit about Mayweather too...:rolleyes: He also said he wanted Pac, after Pac beat Morales.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Why does it offend you so much? Quitaly talked shit about Rahman for YEARS yet absolutely refused to face Haseem in the ring, citing various ailments, excuses, etc....And, of course, Hamed is miles above Quitaly when it comes to achievements in the ring, yet you don't seem to apply the same standards to Hamed as you do to your favorite German quitter.

[Baron]

Why does it offend you so much? Quitaly talked shit about Rahman for YEARS yet absolutely refused to face Haseem in the ring, citing various ailments, excuses, etc....And, of course, Hamed is miles above Quitaly when it comes to achievements in the ring, yet you don't seem to apply the same standards to Hamed as you do to your favorite German quitter.:lol: :laughing:

[Tam Tam]

im tired of the overrated talk, if everyone is overrated, then who the fuck is actually good?
Good question and its kind of my point. Boxing fans cry about so many things you'd get the impression that there is nothing that makes them happy..and there probably isn't.

A wise man once said: "You know who's overrated? Critics."

[slystaff]

Good question and its kind of my point. Boxing fans cry about so many things you'd get the impression that there is nothing that makes them happy..and there probably isn't.

A wise man once said: "You know who's overrated? Critics."

Good point Tam Tam, and the truth is EVERYONE is overrated or underrated based upon the point of reference. As they say "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

It's all a matter of personal opinion I guess.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Whatever else, we will always have Hameds bitch move/collapse to enjoy, his jail time, his loss of the MBE, his weight gain, his balding bastard head, his fat embarassed self. Brilliant.:clap: :clap: :clap: Go on Naseem, give us...give us, give us a few more words, ya fuckin bullshitta ya

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Mexico City all the way, ya fuckin bullshitta.

Note the Haveebi bastards looking in on the background, the guy was a walking talking bullshitter, him, his crew, his whole fucking family, I wouldn't trust em as far as I would fuck em.

That said, its an interesting case study. Mayweather says he doesn't fight guys cos they aren't good enough to fight him. Hamed says his opposition are up to scratch because they knock his ass on the deck.

[slystaff]

I am so glad Barrera embarrased that annoying cunt!

Whatever else, we will always have Hameds bitch move/collapse to enjoy, his jail time, his loss of the MBE, his weight gain, his balding bastard head, his fat embarassed self. Brilliant.:clap: :clap: :clap: Go on Naseem, give us...give us, give us a few more words, ya fuckin bullshitta ya

word.

[Orthodox Crusader]

"There is only one God, Allah, and Mohammed Is His Messenger"

Well Naseem, Its Mohammeds Day off. This is Marco.....he'll be standing in.

[The Cuban Hawk]

Guess what? Barrera was a lot more ring worn than all those guys, yet he's the one who battered the bat-eared midget, lol.


Thank you. :bears:

THAT's something that a lot of revisionist folks ignore (or try to) whenever they try to make out that Hamed was the one past his prime going into that fight. Not only that, but that Barrera was trying out a new style that wasn't his own, but still made Hamed look like an inept ass anyway. Whatever people's thoughts on Barrera is, anyone who loses in that way to Barrera, in his prime (which the Prince was), and then turns down a rematch and quits like a bitch afterwards is simply FAR from great, end of story. Hamed wasn't the first overachiever in boxing history.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Thank you. :bears:

THAT's something that a lot of revisionist folks ignore (or try to) whenever they try to make out that Hamed was the one past his prime going into that fight. Not only that, but that Barrera was trying out a new style that wasn't his own, but still made Hamed look like an inept ass anyway. Whatever people's thoughts on Barrera is, anyone who loses in that way to Barrera, in his prime (which the Prince was), and then turns down a rematch and quits like a bitch afterwards is simply FAR from great, end of story. Hamed wasn't the first overachiever in boxing history.
Everyone (especiually Hamed followers) forget this.
They forget that Barrera, the archetypal 'walk-forward Mexican brawler' (as Warren put it), made slight adjustments to his style to use 'Boxing 101' and convincingly end a lot of people's hopes and dreams (namely SKY Sports, for one, :lol: ).

I don't care a flying fuck how many 'bums on seats' he accounted for or how glamourous or entertaining he made the lighter weight divisions....I'd still rather watch guys like Mayweather, Freitas, Corrales, Gatti, Manfredy, Morales, Barrera, Pacquiao, etc fight than Hamed.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

P.S. Moving up, even someone like Spadafora would've decisioned Hamed, piece of piss.

[Explosivo]

That's what it boils down to. The first prime, elite fighter he faced beat the fuck out of him, embarrassed him and made him look like an amateur.

Hamed knew it, and that was the end of the hamed hype train.

Anyone who thinks hamed is a great fighter simply isn't very well versed in the sport.

He was like a fighter for the teenage generation. The britney of boxing.


Stupid.

[Explosivo]

Hamed is the Classic Case of a Fighter who's Resume is NITPICKED Half to Death,N the Effort to Make him Look Bad...

Here's the Names...

Manuel Medina- MULTIPLE Time Feather Champ...
Tom Johnson- The BEST of the Feather Champs,when Prince Beat him...
Kevin Kelley- Former Feather Champ
Wilfredo Vasquez- Former Jr. Feather AND Feather Champ
Wayne McCullough- Former Bantam Champ
Paul Ingle- Former Feather Champ
Cesar Soto- Former Feather Champ
Vuyani Bungu- Former Jr Feather Champ
Marco Antonio Barrera- 3 Weight World Champ

Fans will Say,this Guy was THIS,that Guy was THAT,but U Can Nitpick ANY Resume if U Put your Mind to It...Sugar Ray Robinson's, Joe Louis', Roberto Duran's,ANYBODYS...

Peeps Loooooooooove the Say the Kevin Kelley was "Shot" when Prince Fought him,but the TRUTH Is,Kelley was 30 Years Old & Only had 1 Loss @ the Time...MORESO, 4 Years AFTER Prince Beat Kelley,it Took Erik Morales even MORE Rounds to Beat Kelley...& 3-4 Years AFTER THAT,it Took Barrera the SAME Length of Time to Beat Kelley...Shit,even TODAY,Kevin Kelley is STILL Upsetting Fighters...

Bottom Line,Kevin Kelley WAS NOT "Shot" when Prince KO'ed him N 1 of THE GREATEST Featherweight Fights of All Times....

Prince Took the WBO title from Steve Robinson,the IBF Title from Tom Johnson & the WBC Title from Cesar Soto...The WBA STRIPPED Wilfredo Vasquez for fighting Prince,but for All Intents & Purposes,he WAS the WBA Champ when Prince KO'ed him...

Hamed Basically UNIFIED All 4 of the Major Sanctioning Bodies...The 1st Fighter to EVER Do that...

Prince Made it FEASIBLE for Little Guys to Get Million Dollar Purses...EVERY Fighter from 130 lbs & BELOW should THANK Prince for Upping the Ante on THEIR Purses...

Old School Fight Fans HATED Prince Cause of his UNORTHODOXY...Contemporary Fans HATED Prince Because of his Arrogance...REED Absolutely ADORED the Little Dude...

REED has RARELY Felt the Level of Pre-Fight Excitement that Prince Bouts Generated...He was SPECIAL...

Yeah,he Went Out like BITCH After the Barrera Fight,but "Greatness" is about DOMINANCE Over a Period of Time & IMPACT on your Era...w/Out Question,Prince did that...


REED:cool:

One hundred percent right!

[Explosivo]

How do the forum see Hamed faring against:
* Danny Lopez
* Salvador Sanchez
* Ruben Olivares
* Alexis Arguello
* Azumah Nelson
* Wilfredo Gomez

Being as all these guys could punch, I'd say 'not very good', being as Hamed was almost exclusively kept away from punchers.


You goofy 'lil bastard.

Barerra and 36 other guys couldn't KO Hamed, even some landing with great force. And you act as if his chin is like Roy Jones's.

Hamed would destroy Lopez, and Olivares. Sanchez would beat Hamed, as would Alexis.
The fights with Nelson and Gomez would be tossups IMO. Both these guys could be lured into slugfests.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Stupid.

The hard, cold truth. The hamed hype train had a decent run, fooling the passers by with holograms making it appear to be faster and prettier than it really was, before getting derailed and EXPOSED by a real train.

[Explosivo]

The hard, cold truth. The hamed hype train had a decent run, fooling the passers by with holograms making it appear to be faster and prettier than it really was, before getting derailed and EXPOSED by a real train.


The same kinds of shit were said after MAB lost his first professional fight against Junior Jones.

Hamed fought decent opposition, and disposed of them all fairly easily if not DEVASTATINGLY.
His list of opponents is above average at the least. He didn't fight some guys, but who the fuck knows why those fights didn't come off.
Hamed brought excitement and big money to the lighter weight classes, and delivered breathtaking KOs for the boxing world.

He had a few stinkers,.....but you'll have that some times. ie Trinidad vs Wright.

Nobody is saying that Hamed is the best of all time....but he sure isn't the ridiculously one dimensional clod with only a punchers chance that you make him out to be.

Make no mistake,.....Hamed would bang with Morales and Pac, and they wuld bang with him.

It owuld be their mistake.

[LATIN KING]

:laughing: Whatever else, we will always have Hameds bitch move/collapse to enjoy, his jail time, his loss of the MBE, his weight gain, his balding bastard head, his fat embarassed self. Brilliant.:clap: :clap: :clap: Go on Naseem, give us...give us, give us a few more words, ya fuckin bullshitta ya


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Mexico City all the way, ya fuckin bullshitta.

Note the Haveebi bastards looking in on the background, the guy was a walking talking bullshitter, him, his crew, his whole fucking family, I wouldn't trust em as far as I would fuck em.

That said, its an interesting case study. Mayweather says he doesn't fight guys cos they aren't good enough to fight him. Hamed says his opposition are up to scratch because they knock his ass on the deck.you can tell Steward is fucking irritated on that interview. but the paycheck was good so he played the role.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

The hard, cold truth. The hamed hype train had a decent run, fooling the passers by with holograms making it appear to be faster and prettier than it really was, before getting derailed and EXPOSED by a real train.By passers-by, you mean those Man Utd bandwagon-joining, non-boxing fan lager-louts who signed up to SKY after seeing the 'Natural Born Thrilla' video?

[Donnybrook]

Thank you. :bears:

THAT's something that a lot of revisionist folks ignore (or try to) whenever they try to make out that Hamed was the one past his prime going into that fight. Not only that, but that Barrera was trying out a new style that wasn't his own, but still made Hamed look like an inept ass anyway. Whatever people's thoughts on Barrera is, anyone who loses in that way to Barrera, in his prime (which the Prince was), and then turns down a rematch and quits like a bitch afterwards is simply FAR from great, end of story. Hamed wasn't the first overachiever in boxing history.

I'm a Barrera fan; and I never much "liked" Hamed.

But it's almost like you guys are implying that Barrera was practically shot when he faced Hamed, and that is simply not true.

And I would HIGHLY dispute that Barrera was more "ring worn" than guys like Medina (51-7); Tom Johnson (44-2-2 and 33 years old); Billy Hardy (36-7 and 30-something); Kelley (47-1 and 30)...and let's not even get into Vazquez or Cesar Soto.

Additionally, though I loved what Barrera did in terms of his style; reports of him "completely reinventing" his approach JUST for the Hamed fight are highly exaggerated.

Barrera already started "boxing" and upping the use of his jab as far back as his rematch with Jones, and it surfaced vs. Maurin, Valbuena and Salud.

He certainly used it to perfection vs. Hamed; but it wasn't a complete reinvention.

Finally, no doubt Barrera had a great, dominating performance vs. Hamed, but I remember scoring 3-4 rounds for Naseem. It's being made out to be of Wright-Trinidad proportions, and it wasn't.

Peace.

[REEDsART]

Finally, no doubt Barrera had a great, dominating performance vs. Hamed, but I remember scoring 3-4 rounds for Naseem. It's being made out to be of Wright-Trinidad proportions, and it wasn't.

Peace.Exactly...

While Barrera CLEARLY WON the Fight,Hamed Naysayers CLING to that Fight like Prince Lost EVERY Minute of EVERY Round & Got BOUNCED OFF the Canvas En Route to a 1-Sided KO Loss:rolleyes: ...

NOT!!!!:nono:

Dude was NEVER Dropped,NEVER BADLY Hurt Really & he Went the Distance...

It was More of a "Schooling" than an "AssWhipping"...


REED:cool: