ARUM says "for Cotto - De La Hoya first, if not, Clottey!!!"

[LEGENDARY]

Well Miguel Cotto's plans are Oscar first on May 3rd if not the very dangerous Clottey. Arum also says the Mayweather fight probably won't happen because Floyd wants the best fight but doesn't want Miguel. Floyd knows it won't be an easy fight and is avoiding it at all cost.

http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/boxeo/accion_deportiva/de_la_hoya_primero,_si_no,_viene_clottey/132950

[Hex-One]

Well Miguel Cotto's plans are Oscar first on May 3rd if not the very dangerous Clottey. Arum also says the Mayweather fight probably won't happen because Floyd wants the best fight but doesn't want Miguel. Floyd knows it won't be an easy fight and is avoiding it at all cost.

http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/boxeo/accion_deportiva/de_la_hoya_primero,_si_no,_viene_clottey/132950 A Clottey fight will be a very good test. I have a feeling PBF will continue to avoid Cotto.

[slystaff]

Well Miguel Cotto's plans are Oscar first on May 3rd if not the very dangerous Clottey. Arum also says the Mayweather fight probably won't happen because Floyd wants the best fight but doesn't want Miguel. Floyd knows it won't be an easy fight and is avoiding it at all cost.

http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/boxeo/accion_deportiva/de_la_hoya_primero,_si_no,_viene_clottey/132950Please Cotto is ducking Floyd! He's looking for easy matches to further pad his unbeaten record.

[dsimon3387]

Please Cotto is ducking Floyd! He's looking for easy matches to further pad his unbeaten record.

dsimon writes:

I don't know who is ducking who but why does everybody want to beat up Oscar?

[Jake]

What I got out of the article was that they're hoping an Oscar fight happens, but that it's only been briefly discussed. Whereas plans for a Cotto/Margarito doubleheader in March, followed by a head-to-head collission in June, sound more concrete/reliable.

All that said, I'm not 100% certain Clottey gets past Shamone Alvarez in a couple of weeks (forget if they fight next week on Versus, or on the broadcast after). Either way, I see "Plan B" being the one that actually happens, with Cotto-GLH remaining a pipe dream at best.

[Jake]

dsimon writes:

I don't know who is ducking who but why does everybody want to beat up Oscar?
because it pays the best, and is considered the less difficult task

[whiskey]

dsimon writes:

I don't know who is ducking who but why does everybody want to beat up Oscar?

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Money-Print-C10055084.jpeg

[Jake]

Please Cotto is ducking Floyd! He's looking for easy matches to further pad his unbeaten record.
Half-true. Floyd won't do the fight so long as Arum is involved in the promotion in any way, shape or form. And until the day comes where Mayweather Promotions becomes more than a shell company, Floyd will always need another promoter to finance his events.

[slystaff]

De La Hoya vs Cotto would be an interesting fight. But Floyd-Cotto is the best fight that can be made. I'd settle for Cotto-Margarito though.

[Hex-One]

dsimon writes:

I don't know who is ducking who but why does everybody want to beat up Oscar?$$$$$$$$$$$$$:dunno:

[Double L]

A Clottey fight will be a very good test. I have a feeling PBF will continue to avoid Cotto.

PBF ducks all prime-level 147 pounders. Period. Fact. There's absolutely no counter-example to refute that claim.

[Hex-One]

PBF ducks all prime-level 147 pounders. Period. Fact. There's absolutely no counter-example to refute that claim. So how can anyone claim him to be number 1 P4P? Should that title go to the fighter who is challenging himself against the best?

[Neil]

PBF ducks all prime-level 147 pounders. Period. Fact. There's absolutely no counter-example to refute that claim.

which 'prime-level 147 pounders' have cotto or margarito defeated?

[*Z*]

Please Cotto is ducking Floyd! He's looking for easy matches to further pad his unbeaten record.

Haha! You mean it's fne and dandy for Floyd to fight Oscar to "Pad his unbeaten record" but when Cotto wants to fight Oscar for a huge payday it's suddenly not ok?

[slystaff]

So how can anyone claim him to be number 1 P4P? Should that title go to the fighter who is challenging himself against the best?:lol:

He has earned the claim simply because...HE IS THE BEST!!! :cheer:

[*Z*]

which 'prime-level 147 pounders' have cotto or margarito defeated?

Cotto just beat Shane who is better than anyone Floyd has ever faced.

[Neil]

Cotto just beat Shane who is better than anyone Floyd has ever faced.


silly me, I reckoned 'prime-level' was a reference to fighters in their prime.

[slystaff]

Cotto just beat Shane who is better than anyone Floyd has ever faced.I thought Oscar won the rematch with Shane. AND Oscar is younger than Shane. AND Oscar's beaten better fighters than Shane has overall.

[Double L]

So how can anyone claim him to be number 1 P4P? Should that title go to the fighter who is challenging himself against the best?

yes! WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG !!!

[slystaff]

silly me, I reckoned 'prime-level' was a reference to fighters in their prime.Precisely

[slystaff]

yes! WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG !!!So who's beating the BEST in your opinion Double L? Who should be the P4P?

[Double L]

which 'prime-level 147 pounders' have cotto or margarito defeated?

what relelvance does this question have?

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

yes! WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG !!!That explains why you figured Floyd had no chance against Oscar.

[slystaff]

what relelvance does this question have?PBF didn't duck shit!

He went after Zab judah because that's the fight he wanted since Zab beat the previous unified champion, Cory Spinks, by KO. Most people felt that Zab was better than Baldomir even though he was upset by him. Zab was a solid challenge. Floyd beat him up. Then people complained that Baldomir was the TRUE champion so guess what...Floyd fights the TRUE CHAMP (Cotto and Marge Simpson...were NOT the champion) and dominates him. Then Money Mayweather goes after the great Oscar (a more formidable challenge than any 147der at the time) for a 5th title. And get's it. Now he's fighting Ricky Hatton who just came off impressive voctories over ZOO and Castillo and is himself unbeaten. Please! When did he DUCK Marge Simpson or Cotto?

Floyd has kept busy and fought decent fighters in meaningful fights.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

According to Evagelista if Cotto can't get a fight with DLH in May he will fight Clottey in March. With Margorito fighting Jose Luis Castillo with the winners fighting in June. DLH's first choice of opponent is said to be Zab Judah.

[LEGENDARY]

PBF didn't duck shit!

He went after Zab judah because that's the fight he wanted since Zab beat the previous unified champion, Cory Spinks, by KO. Most people felt that Zab was better than Baldomir even though he was upset by him. Zab was a solid challenge. Floyd beat him up. Then people complained that Baldomir was the TRUE champion so guess what...Floyd fights the TRUE CHAMP (Cotto and Marge Simpson...were NOT the champion) and dominates him. Then Money Mayweather goes after the great Oscar (a more formidable challenge than any 147der at the time) for a 5th title. And get's it. Now he's fighting Ricky Hatton who just came off impressive voctories over ZOO and Castillo and is himself unbeaten. Please! When did he DUCK Marge Simpson or Cotto?

Floyd has kept busy and fought decent fighters in BORING fights.

?

[Jake]

PBF didn't duck shit!

He went after Zab judah because that's the fight he wanted since Zab beat the previous unified champion, Cory Spinks, by KO. Most people felt that Zab was better than Baldomir even though he was upset by him. Zab was a solid challenge.
Stop right there. Zab's asking price went WAY down as a result of the loss to Baldomir. That's why the Floyd-Zab fight became a lot easier to make (that and the IBF letting Zab hold onto his title since Baldy didn't bother to pay sanctioning fees for it). Had nothing to do with anyone believing Zab was still his most formidable challenge.

the rest of your post sounded right, though you are still ignoring the Floyd/Arum rift, which is the main (if not only) reason why neither are talking about a Floyd-Cotto fight happening any time soon.

[Hex-One]

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb103/Mozaiko/FlOYDMAYWEATHER.jpg

[Mitchell Kane]

What I got out of the article was that they're hoping an Oscar fight happens, but that it's only been briefly discussed. Whereas plans for a Cotto/Margarito doubleheader in March, followed by a head-to-head collission in June, sound more concrete/reliable.

All that said, I'm not 100% certain Clottey gets past Shamone Alvarez in a couple of weeks (forget if they fight next week on Versus, or on the broadcast after). Either way, I see "Plan B" being the one that actually happens, with Cotto-GLH remaining a pipe dream at best.

I haven't seen Shamone fight that often, but while he has a difficult style he looked pretty bad coming down the stretch of his last fight (against Sanders). He appears to be very weak, physically, especially in his legs.

It could be interesting.

[CleanYourClock]

Please Cotto is ducking Floyd! He's looking for easy matches to further pad his unbeaten record.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Everyone fuckin knows that Floyd is going to retire without EVER fighting Cotto ....
That is so easy to see ... I have been saying this since before the Gatti fight.

[REEDsART]

what relelvance does this question have?"Relevance"???:lol:

U're a Margarito Sack Swinger, yet U REFUSE to Hold HIM to the Same Standard U Hold Floyd To...

How's THAT for "Relevance"??...


REED:lol:

[V10]

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Everyone fuckin knows that Floyd is going to retire without EVER fighting Cotto ....
That is so easy to see ... I have been saying this since before the Gatti fight.
And at that time, Arum and Cotto's trainer and team were saying they weren't ready for Floyd. That pretty much kept going until Floyd left Arum and now Mr. "Yesterday I was lying.." changed from Floyd is too much for Miguel to Cotto would destroy Floyd, he wants none. :lol:

There will always be some idiots I guess. :doh:

Floyd has always ducked the great Cotto Yeiiiiiiii :lol:

[steve_dave]

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Everyone fuckin knows that Floyd is going to retire without EVER fighting Cotto ....
That is so easy to see ... I have been saying this since before the Gatti fight.

That's a lie.

[CleanYourClock]

And at that time, Arum and Cotto's trainer and team were saying they weren't ready for Floyd. That pretty much kept going until Floyd left Arum and now Mr. "Yesterday I was lying.." changed from Floyd is too much for Miguel to Cotto would destroy Floyd, he wants none. :lol:

There will always be some idiots I guess. :doh:

Floyd has always ducked the great Cotto Yeiiiiiiii :lol:

I didn't say he was ducking him. I have always said that Floyd will retire before he ever fights Cotto.
As it is he obviously just elected to fight the lesser of the 3 evils ..
Notice how he stayed nice and retired until the Cotto/Mosely fight was made ... Then he fights Hatton ..
Give me a break ...

[Erratic]

I didn't say he was ducking him. I have always said that Floyd will retire before he ever fights Cotto.
As it is he obviously just elected to fight the lesser of the 3 evils ..
Notice how he stayed nice and retired until the Cotto/Mosely fight was made ... Then he fights Hatton ..
Give me a break ...

The Hatton fight was already made when Cotto and Mosley signed to fight.

Golden Snaggle Tooth was talking about Mayweather fighting Mosley, but Mayweather elected to fight Hatton. There was also talk after Williams-Margarito about Cotto fighting Margarito anyway in November despite Margarito losing, but Oscar and Bob made up and made Pac-MAB 2 for October and Cotto-Mosley for November.

[mikE]

I haven't seen Shamone fight that often, but while he has a difficult style he looked pretty bad coming down the stretch of his last fight (against Sanders). He appears to be very weak, physically, especially in his legs.

It could be interesting.

Shamone has been televised at least 8 times. The Sanders fight was the worst he's looked, that I remember anyway. I've seen his Mdec win against Gutierrez, but don't remember disliking the performance like I did against Sanders.

It's a very interesting matchup. I'm leaning Alvarez, but without much confidence.

No desire to see Cotto fight either guy. I'd rather get Williams into the mix, but he is an easy guy to duck, it seems.

[CleanYourClock]

The Hatton fight was already made when Cotto and Mosley signed to fight.

Golden Snaggle Tooth was talking about Mayweather fighting Mosley, but Mayweather elected to fight Hatton. There was also talk after Williams-Margarito about Cotto fighting Margarito anyway in November despite Margarito losing, but Oscar and Bob made up and made Pac-MAB 2 for October and Cotto-Mosley for November.

Are you sure about this ? I could have sworn Cotto/Mosely was made first.

[Donnybrook]

What I got out of the article was that they're hoping an Oscar fight happens, but that it's only been briefly discussed. Whereas plans for a Cotto/Margarito doubleheader in March, followed by a head-to-head collission in June, sound more concrete/reliable.

All that said, I'm not 100% certain Clottey gets past Shamone Alvarez in a couple of weeks (forget if they fight next week on Versus, or on the broadcast after). Either way, I see "Plan B" being the one that actually happens, with Cotto-GLH remaining a pipe dream at best.

Yup...he also says the double-header would be Cotto-Clottey - and Margarito-Castillo.

[Jake]

Are you sure about this ? I could have sworn Cotto/Mosely was made first.
Cotto-Mosley, which was in the works for a while, was finalized 2-3 weeks after Floyd-Hatton was announced. I forget the exact dates, but it was something like late July for Floyd-Hatton, mid-August for Cotto-Shane.

[Donnybrook]

This was all ARUM talking, btw....

Evangelista Cotto says the question by the press was the first he's heard of these plans.

He says they prefer to fight DLH or Mayweather, but neither want to fight Cotto....so they'll fight Clottey if they have to.

As RJR said too, he mentions the DLH's first choice of opponent is Zab Judah.

Peace.

[Erratic]

This was all ARUM talking, btw....

Evangelista Cotto says the question by the press was the first he's heard of these plans.

He says they prefer to fight DLH or Mayweather, but neither want to fight Cotto....so they'll fight Clottey if they have to.

As RJR said too, he mentions the DLH's first choice of opponent is Zab Judah.

Peace.

Anytime Miguel Cotto speaks on his future plans, it's Bob Arum talking.

[whiskey]

Anytime Miguel Cotto speaks on his future plans, it's Bob Arum talking.

That would be if Cotto ever spoke about his future plans.

[CleanYourClock]

Cotto-Mosley, which was in the works for a while, was finalized 2-3 weeks after Floyd-Hatton was announced. I forget the exact dates, but it was something like late July for Floyd-Hatton, mid-August for Cotto-Shane.

Using your own words , Mosely/Cotto wasn't completely finalized until after Floyd/Hatton was announced ... :lol:
So yeah , It was finalized after Floyd/Hatton was ANNOUNCED but it was made first ... Announcing a fight and finalizing a fight are two different things... As far as I know , everyone along with Floyd knew Cotto was going to fight Mosely and then this Hatton fight came about.

[Erratic]

Using your own words , Mosely/Cotto wasn't completely finalized until after Floyd/Hatton was announced ... :lol:
So yeah , It was finalized after Floyd/Hatton was ANNOUNCED but it was made first ... Announcing a fight and finalizing a fight are two different things... As far as I know , everyone along with Floyd knew Cotto was going to fight Mosely and then this Hatton fight came about.

Mayweather and Hatton started negotations pretty much right after the Hatton-Castillo fight.

I don't think the negotiations for Cotto and Mosley were going on that early, at least publically (we never know what's going on behind the scenes especially with someone like Arum who's lying 101% of the time).

[Mitchell Kane]

Mayweather and Hatton started negotations pretty much right after the Hatton-Castillo fight.

I don't think the negotiations for Cotto and Mosley were going on that early, at least publically (we never know what's going on behind the scenes especially with someone like Arum who's lying 101% of the time).

Well, Mayweather had to fight Hatton after he bad-mouthed him in the ring (which just happened to be piped into the crowd of 10,000 British fans).

Still, nobody expected they'd fight this soon.

[Erratic]

Well, Mayweather had to fight Hatton after he bad-mouthed him in the ring (which just happened to be piped into the crowd of 10,000 British fans).

Still, nobody expected they'd fight this soon.

I don't see why it was such a surprise. :dunno:

I expected Mayweather to look to see if Hatton would beat Castillo and then fight him, as we all know Floyd's "retirement" was a joke.

[slystaff]

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Everyone fuckin knows that Floyd is going to retire without EVER fighting Cotto ....
That is so easy to see ... I have been saying this since before the Gatti fight.

Mayweather W12 De La Hoya :cool:

[Pascals Wager]

because it pays the best, and is considered the less difficult task

Good fight.
I guess Cotto wants to continue to out-do PBF.
So far so good...

[CleanYourClock]

Mayweather W12 De La Hoya :cool:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Check the clip blind man ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dss8VYRjxKo

[Jake]

Using your own words , Mosely/Cotto wasn't completely finalized until after Floyd/Hatton was announced ... :lol:
So yeah , It was finalized after Floyd/Hatton was ANNOUNCED but it was made first ... Announcing a fight and finalizing a fight are two different things... As far as I know , everyone along with Floyd knew Cotto was going to fight Mosely and then this Hatton fight came about.
Nope, not the way it went at all. As mentioned earlier in the thread, Floyd-Hatton began basically the moment Ricky talked shit about him in his post-fight interview from the Castillo fight.

Floyd claimed he was retired, but wanted a Shane fight as early as last year. Shane got a toothache... we know the rest. But Golden Boy didn't push for that fight after Floyd-GLH.

Meanwhile, Cotto was holding out for the outcome of Williams-Margarito. If Tony won it was Cotto-Margarito in November. Otherwise, Plan B.

Plan B became Shane. By that point, Floyd and Hatton were already deep into negotiations.

Anyway you slice it, Floyd-Hatton was put together before Cotto-Shane.

[Roll With The Punches]

Cotto is the man to beat at 147

it's pretty simple.....who has done more at 147 than Cotto? :dunno:

[Mitchell Kane]

I don't see why it was such a surprise. :dunno:

I expected Mayweather to look to see if Hatton would beat Castillo and then fight him, as we all know Floyd's "retirement" was a joke.

I was being a bit sarcastic. :lol:

[Hex-One]

Cotto is the man to beat at 147

it's pretty simple.....who has done more at 147 than Cotto? :dunno: Good point. How is it then that PBF is the man to beat @147?

[KaukipRrr]

Good point. How is it then that PBF is the man to beat @147?

It happened when Roy Jones "0" turned "1".

[slystaff]

Cotto is the man to beat at 147

it's pretty simple.....who has done more at 147 than Cotto? :dunno:Clever but it doesn't necessarily work that way.

If a P4P superstar moves up and beats the champion of a division, HE IS the man to beat at that weight regardless of what the other clowns in teh division had done recently. It's always been that way.

[LATIN KING]

clottey? that's a hell of a let down if cotto doesn't land the DLH fight.

Clottey is a decent fighter but after Mosley and possibly DLH that should be the last fight Cotto should be pursuing.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

This was all ARUM talking, btw....

Evangelista Cotto says the question by the press was the first he's heard of these plans.

He says they prefer to fight DLH or Mayweather, but neither want to fight Cotto....so they'll fight Clottey if they have to.

As RJR said too, he mentions the DLH's first choice of opponent is Zab Judah.

Peace.
De la Hoya-Judah 24/7 has a nice ring to it.

[lb 4 lb]

Cotto deserves major props for fighting Clottey, and I'd rather see that then him matched up against a lesser version of Oscar who I wish would just go away and retire.

I like Clottey but I don't give him much chance of beating Cotto. Clottey's just too mentally deficient and wears down too easily which would play right into Cotto's hands.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Cotto deserves major props for fighting Clottey, and I'd rather see that then him matched up against a lesser version of Oscar who I wish would just go away and retire.

I like Clottey but I don't give him much chance of beating Cotto. Clottey's just too mentally deficient and wears down too easily which would play right into Cotto's hands.Cotto like eerybody else wants De la Hoya because he brings the money.

[Donnybrook]

Cotto deserves major props for fighting Clottey, and I'd rather see that then him matched up against a lesser version of Oscar who I wish would just go away and retire.

I like Clottey but I don't give him much chance of beating Cotto. Clottey's just too mentally deficient and wears down too easily which would play right into Cotto's hands.

I don't know if it's "major props" but I agree it's no "letdown".

Clottey is a very good opponent at 147.

Peace.

[TKO]

dsimon writes:

I don't know who is ducking who but why does everybody want to beat up Oscar?

Oscar is a leg - end.....plus you fight Oscar you get €€€

[ElTerriblee]

Yup...he also says the double-header would be Cotto-Clottey - and Margarito-Castillo.

Double L´s worst nightmare and another KO loss for Castillo.

[joony]

damn, margarito vs castillo is a mismatch. either castillo will get blasted out in 1 or 2 rounds or he'll get the beating of his life for about 5 rounds or so.

i'd rather see margarito beat on baldomir or collazo.

[KaukipRrr]

Now that Cintron is out, I'd prefer Margarito take his place if it's offered, by all means his management should atleast try to persue his old title.

[Mitchell Kane]

“I promised my wife that I wouldn’t fight any Puerto Ricans.”

-Oscar de la Hoya

[Jake]

“I promised my wife that I wouldn’t fight any Puerto Ricans.”

-Oscar de la Hoya
I'm sure he also promised his wife he wouldn't fuck Russian strippers.

[Mitchell Kane]

I'm sure he also promised his wife he wouldn't fuck Russian strippers.

Or dress like them?

[Xplosive]

Shame on Margarita if he fights shot ass, former lightweight Castillo.

[Xplosive]

damn, margarito vs castillo is a mismatch. either castillo will get blasted out in 1 or 2 rounds or he'll get the beating of his life for about 5 rounds or so.

i'd rather see margarito beat on baldomir or collazo.

Well I doubt Bumlomir will be fighting at 147 anymore. But yeah, almost any welterweight is a better opponent than old man Castillo. Margarita will fuck up Castillo, then Kauki will come on here and praise Phony like he's some killer.:rolleyes:

I cant wait for Cotto to dispose of this payaso!

[boxingnotboxers]

Cotto is the man to beat at 147

it's pretty simple.....who has done more at 147 than Cotto? :dunno:
Decided that since I'm taking a study break, I'd be a loser and try to explore this a bit, with random notables (not 100% inclusive, and with some spin on my part).

Cotto: Urkal, Quintana, Judah, Mosley (the biggest win on this whole hypothetical list IMO)

Mayweather: Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir (champ at that time though everyone wishes he weren't)

Mosley: Estrada, Cruz, Collazo (this whole thing would've been clearer if Hatton didn't get that decision nod), Cotto (loss)

Margarito: Clottey, Williams (loss), Cintron (important though it's downplayed) and lots of others who weighed 147 because he's been there the longest

Williams: Mitchell, Margarito (would beat everyone on this list on pure activity...yeah I'm a blind fan, so what? :dunno:)

Cintron: Margarito (loss), Estrada

Clottey: Margarito (loss), Corrales, Baldomir (loss with more asterixes than I'm willing to put)

Judah: Spinks (split), Baldomir (loss), Mayweather (loss), Cotto (loss...is there a pattern???)

Collazo: Rivera, MAGO (this would've been BIG just a DECADE ago...), Hatton (loss...barely), Mosley (loss)


Bottom lines: if you're going to go out on a limb and say that you're going by purely what's done at 147 itself, the biggest win looks like Judah over Spinks (the champion that everyone at least AGREED was the champion) or Cotto over Mosely (because Mosley is considered a good fighter and was coming off of impressive LOOKING wins...over Vargas...who just lost to MAYORGA...nevermind...)

If you're looking at who the "champion" is (and I know I certainly stray from this once in a while), then it's Mayweather. No amount of "spin" changes that.

If you have ADHD and always go by "what you've done for me lately" then it's Cotto because his big win is also his latest win.

Note also that this is relatively speaking within the 147 division; a few of the credited fights for my observations are technically over-the-limit (Mosley and Margarito come to mind when it comes to this). If we were to include whole resumes, then Mayweather and Mosley are well ahead of Cotto. "lately" all-inclusive for Mayweather and Cotto is good for boxing overall when you consider a Mayweather run of Baldomir(AS CHAMP NOT AS THREAT)-Judah-DLH-Hatton comparison to Urkal-Judah-Mosley-Clottey or Urkal-Judah-Mosely-DLH on Cotto's ledger.

I can't wait until I can devote more time to this stuff. Boxing is awesome.

*back to studying for USMLE step3

[Double L]

Decided that since I'm taking a study break, I'd be a loser and try to explore this a bit, with random notables (not 100% inclusive, and with some spin on my part).

Cotto: Urkal, Quintana, Judah, Mosley (the biggest win on this whole hypothetical list IMO)

Mayweather: Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir (champ at that time though everyone wishes he weren't)

Mosley: Estrada, Cruz, Collazo (this whole thing would've been clearer if Hatton didn't get that decision nod), Cotto (loss)

Margarito: Clottey, Williams (loss), Cintron (important though it's downplayed) and lots of others who weighed 147 because he's been there the longest

Williams: Mitchell, Margarito (would beat everyone on this list on pure activity...yeah I'm a blind fan, so what? :dunno:)

Cintron: Margarito (loss), Estrada

Clottey: Margarito (loss), Corrales, Baldomir (loss with more asterixes than I'm willing to put)

Judah: Spinks (split), Baldomir (loss), Mayweather (loss), Cotto (loss...is there a pattern???)

Collazo: Rivera, MAGO (this would've been BIG just a DECADE ago...), Hatton (loss...barely), Mosley (loss)


Bottom lines: if you're going to go out on a limb and say that you're going by purely what's done at 147 itself, the biggest win looks like Judah over Spinks (the champion that everyone at least AGREED was the champion) or Cotto over Mosely (because Mosley is considered a good fighter and was coming off of impressive LOOKING wins...over Vargas...who just lost to MAYORGA...nevermind...)

If you're looking at who the "champion" is (and I know I certainly stray from this once in a while), then it's Mayweather. No amount of "spin" changes that.

If you have ADHD and always go by "what you've done for me lately" then it's Cotto because his big win is also his latest win.

Note also that this is relatively speaking within the 147 division; a few of the credited fights for my observations are technically over-the-limit (Mosley and Margarito come to mind when it comes to this). If we were to include whole resumes, then Mayweather and Mosley are well ahead of Cotto. "lately" all-inclusive for Mayweather and Cotto is good for boxing overall when you consider a Mayweather run of Baldomir(AS CHAMP NOT AS THREAT)-Judah-DLH-Hatton comparison to Urkal-Judah-Mosley-Clottey or Urkal-Judah-Mosely-DLH on Cotto's ledger.

I can't wait until I can devote more time to this stuff. Boxing is awesome.

*back to studying for USMLE step3

and yet, with all these facts and interpretations laid out for us (sound ones in my estimation), we all know Williams is the toughest fight out there for anyone. which is why he'll be crowded out of the mix and be screwed out of big money fights. too bad he's doesn't have a better promoter - not that Goosen is a bad one - he just doesn't have the clout that DK or TR do.

[lb 4 lb]

“I promised my wife that I wouldn’t fight any Puerto Ricans.”

-Oscar de la Hoya
Jeez, and I thought Mosley was pussywhipped.

[LATIN KING]

I don't know if it's "major props" but I agree it's no "letdown".

Clottey is a very good opponent at 147.

Peace.it is a letdown when you think after beating Mosley that would set the table for the Hatton/Floyd winner or Dlh. Both are hug possible fights.

Clottey is a decent fight but for from a big fight at 147.

[Neil]

clottey would beat delahoya and is a harder fight than delahoya. not a wise fight for cotto, who should stand up and tell arum to put him in with the opponent who will pay HIM (cotto) the most money. arum is looking to make whatever fights will best fill his own pockets. hbo and cotto are the ones who need to step in and push for the winner of dec 8 or delahoya

[Xplosive]

clottey would beat delahoya and is a harder fight than delahoya. not a wise fight for cotto, who should stand up and tell arum to put him in with the opponent who will pay HIM (cotto) the most money. arum is looking to make whatever fights will best fill his own pockets. hbo and cotto are the ones who need to step in and push for the winner of dec 8 or delahoya

Please! DLH would whup Clottey's ass, even THIS version of Oscar. Clottey is an average ass fighter brah.