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Erratic
11-29-2007, 03:59 PM
I won't post the link because Cupey might get mad, but it's supposed to take place on 3/15 at the Mandalay Bay.

Mitchell Kane
11-29-2007, 04:02 PM
Great fight that absolutely should have been made.

:bears: :bears:

Jake
11-29-2007, 04:05 PM
2008 is actually shaping up to surpass, if not blow away, 2007 and they're only three months into the year's schedule.

whiskey
11-29-2007, 04:07 PM
If this is true. :bears:

Mitchell Kane
11-29-2007, 04:14 PM
2008 is actually shaping up to surpass, if not blow away, 2007 and they're only three months into the year's schedule.

Agreed.

Hopefully Vasquez-Marquez III is made next year...if it ends up in March it would make it one of the best months for boxing in recent years.

Jake
11-29-2007, 04:15 PM
as far as Vazquez-Marquez III, Showtime's already selling it like it's a done deal (March 1), and that all they need to do is finalize a location - fittingly enough, the main issue heading into the other two bouts.

Attraction
11-29-2007, 04:19 PM
2008 is actually shaping up to surpass, if not blow away, 2007 and they're only three months into the year's schedule.

throught which fights jake?

REEDsART
11-29-2007, 04:21 PM
Kudos to BOTH Men...

Hopefully Manny Pac Trains in AMERICA & Not the Phillipines...

As Mr. Miyagi would Say, Manny Pac Needs "FOCUS" to Win the RE..


REED:cool:

Jake
11-29-2007, 04:24 PM
throught which fights jake?
huh?

LATIN KING
11-29-2007, 04:32 PM
I've been waiting years for this :cheer:

whiskey
11-29-2007, 04:33 PM
huh?

I think he's asking what fights in 2008 are set to blow away 2007.

Jake
11-29-2007, 04:44 PM
Diaz-Katsidis
Williams-Cintron
Peter-Maskaev
Pavlik-Taylor II
Wlad-Ibragimov
Vazquez-Marquez III
Marquez-Pacquiao II

That's in a 2-month span from mid January to mid-March, with "only" two of the fights on PPV

For sideshow entertainment value, there's also Jones-Trinidad.

Cotto-Clottey figures to land sometime in mid-March, about as competitive a fight as you can ask for a showcase slot. (though its co-feature, Margarito-Castillo, is more befitting of the showcase label) And also that it will lead to a Cotto-Margarito fight in June.

There also finally seems to be a push for Dawson-Tarver, possibly in mid-April (either that or Dawson-Diaconu, which I'll also gladly take).

And that we haven't even discussed what would be next for Floyd, Calzaghe, David Haye, Hatton etc...

steve_dave
11-29-2007, 04:48 PM
Diaz-Katsidis
Williams-Cintron
Peter-Maskaev
Pavlik-Taylor II
Wlad-Ibragimov
Vazquez-Marquez III
Marquez-Pacquiao II

That's in a 2-month span from mid January to mid-March, with "only" two of the fights on PPV

For sideshow entertainment value, there's also Jones-Trinidad.

Cotto-Clottey figures to land sometime in mid-March, about as competitive a fight as you can ask for a showcase slot. (though its co-feature, Margarito-Castillo, is more befitting of the showcase label) And also that it will lead to a Cotto-Margarito fight in June.

There also finally seems to be a push for Dawson-Tarver, possibly in mid-April (either that or Dawson-Diaconu, which I'll also gladly take).

And that we haven't even discussed what would be next for Floyd, Calzaghe, David Haye, Hatton etc...

Margarito/Castillo? Jose Luis?

Jake
11-29-2007, 04:49 PM
si.

steve_dave
11-29-2007, 04:55 PM
si.

:lol: What?

JLC is gonna look 50 at welterweight.

whiskey
11-29-2007, 04:55 PM
:lol: What?

JLC is gonna look 50 at welterweight.

I hadn't heard anything about this either.

Donnybrook
11-29-2007, 05:16 PM
I hadn't heard anything about this either.

It's in the Puerto Rican newspapers in the Cotto/Evangelista interview.

Double-Header (Cotto-Clottey & Margarito-Castillo) in March, then Cotto-Margarito in June.

If the DLH fight doesn't happen.

Peace.

Hanzy
11-29-2007, 05:16 PM
2008 is actually shaping up to surpass, if not blow away, 2007 and they're only three months into the year's schedule.

How? Because of 1 fight? What other MEGA FIGHTS are we getting in 2008?

Jake
11-29-2007, 05:19 PM
How? Because of 1 fight? What other MEGA FIGHTS are we getting in 2008?
I already listed what's coming up in the 1st quarter. It's a better start to a year than I can remember in quite some time.

Mitchell Kane
11-29-2007, 05:27 PM
I already listed what's coming up in the 1st quarter. It's a better start to a year than I can remember in quite some time.

I'd agree with that, though it looks like HBO is going to be a bit more heavy-weighted this year.

REEDsART
11-29-2007, 06:37 PM
Margarito/Castillo? Jose Luis?Fucking PATHETIC, Isn't It???


REED:rolleyes:

royyjonesjrp4pno1
11-30-2007, 03:01 AM
Diaz-Katsidis
Williams-Cintron
Peter-Maskaev
Pavlik-Taylor II
Wlad-Ibragimov
Vazquez-Marquez III
Marquez-Pacquiao II

That's in a 2-month span from mid January to mid-March, with "only" two of the fights on PPV

For sideshow entertainment value, there's also Jones-Trinidad.

Cotto-Clottey figures to land sometime in mid-March, about as competitive a fight as you can ask for a showcase slot. (though its co-feature, Margarito-Castillo, is more befitting of the showcase label) And also that it will lead to a Cotto-Margarito fight in June.

There also finally seems to be a push for Dawson-Tarver, possibly in mid-April (either that or Dawson-Diaconu, which I'll also gladly take).

And that we haven't even discussed what would be next for Floyd, Calzaghe, David Haye, Hatton etc...
Damn that is a great line up. You didn't even mention Malignaggi-Njudo.

bigdawg
11-30-2007, 03:18 AM
Damn that is fuken great lineup. I mean we start the year off with the greatest p4p fighter of all-time fighting Tito and then everything else is just frosting on the cake. You gotta love 2008. I'll Holla 5000

slystaff
11-30-2007, 09:58 AM
2008 is actually shaping up to surpass, if not blow away, 2007 and they're only three months into the year's schedule.How so?

Donnybrook
11-30-2007, 10:02 AM
How so?

:lol: You're like the third person to ask...READ THE REST OF THE THREAD.

Hanzy
11-30-2007, 10:08 AM
If Hatton murders Floyd, there's going to be a huge shake up in the sport. Likely it will be Hatton/Cotto being the demanded fight unless DLH chooses to fight Hatton.

Hanzy
11-30-2007, 10:09 AM
What about that Chagaev guy who carries the WBA belt. Who's he fighting?

slystaff
11-30-2007, 11:18 AM
:lol: You're like the third person to ask...READ THE REST OF THE THREAD.Screw you! :tease:

2007 has...

Taylor - Pavlik: Undefeated Middleweight Champion vs Undefeated Middleweight Challenger
Calzaghe - Kessler: Two undefeated Supermiddleweight Champions
Mayweather-Hatton - Two undefeated multidivision chamion welterweight
Cotto - mosley
Barrera - Marquez
Barrera - Pacquaio 2
Mayweather - De La Hoya
Hatton - Castillo
Guzman - Soto


How THE HELL...can anyone claim that 2008 could "blow away" 2007? Please tell me something that I may be missing?:dunno:

Father of Muzse
11-30-2007, 11:30 AM
It's in the Puerto Rican newspapers in the Cotto/Evangelista interview.

Double-Header (Cotto-Clottey & Margarito-Castillo) in March, then Cotto-Margarito in June.

If the DLH fight doesn't happen.

Peace.


Hey Gringo, where did you find the English version? :dunno:

Beyond the Grave
11-30-2007, 12:14 PM
Great,that means some people on here can stop beating that dead horse about Pacquiao ducking fighters:rolleyes:

royyjonesjrp4pno1
11-30-2007, 12:30 PM
Screw you! :tease:

2007 has...

Taylor - Pavlik: Undefeated Middleweight Champion vs Undefeated Middleweight Challenger
Calzaghe - Kessler: Two undefeated Supermiddleweight Champions
Mayweather-Hatton - Two undefeated multidivision chamion welterweight
Cotto - mosley
Barrera - Marquez
Barrera - Pacquaio 2
Mayweather - De La Hoya
Hatton - Castillo
Guzman - Soto


How THE HELL...can anyone claim that 2008 could "blow away" 2007? Please tell me something that I may be missing?:dunno:It may not blow it away but it has potential to be better. The fights scheduled in the first 3 months of 2008 are better then they were in 2007.

Mitchell Kane
11-30-2007, 01:14 PM
It may not blow it away but it has potential to be better. The fights scheduled in the first 3 months of 2008 are better then they were in 2007.

Hopefully the first quarter doesn't see as many postponements/cancellations as there were the last few months of this year.

2007 was good and had the potential to be much better but Showtime, especially, was cursed.

Jake
11-30-2007, 02:45 PM
Screw you! :tease:

2007 has...

Taylor - Pavlik: Undefeated Middleweight Champion vs Undefeated Middleweight Challenger
Calzaghe - Kessler: Two undefeated Supermiddleweight Champions
Mayweather-Hatton - Two undefeated multidivision chamion welterweight
Cotto - mosley
Barrera - Marquez
Barrera - Pacquaio 2
Mayweather - De La Hoya
Hatton - Castillo
Guzman - Soto


How THE HELL...can anyone claim that 2008 could "blow away" 2007? Please tell me something that I may be missing?:dunno:
I said 2008 is shaping up to surpass.

When 2006 became 2007, we were coming off of Winky-Quartey and Taylor-Ouma to end '06, which was preceded by Floyd-Baldy, Wlad-Brock, Pac-Morales III and J.M. Marquez-Jaca. Through the first three months we had the following to look forward to (between HBO and Showtime):
Peter-Toney II/Simms-Rivera (Showtime)
Hatton-Urango (HBO)
Arce-Ler/Pavlik-Zertuche (HBO)
Dawson-Adamek (Showtime)
Malignaggi-Cherry/Powell-Ishe Smith (HBO)
Mosley-Collazo/Harris-Lazcano (HBO)
R. Marquez-Vazquez I (Showtime)
Cotto-Urkal/Miranda-Green (HBO)
Wlad-Austin (HBO)
Mormeck-Bell II (MSG, but good (and anticipated) enough to where it warrants mention)
Kessler-Andrade (HBO)

and of course. "The World Awaits" :rolleyes:

Of those fights, the only ones with any anticipation were the Showtime cards and Mormeck-Bell II. Kessler-Andrade was intriguing because for most of America, it was their first look at him, though a grand total of nobody expected Andrade to win. Even Marquez-Barrera (which shouldn't have been on PPV) barely received a push, thanks to HBO scaling back its budget due to the sales push for Floyd-GLH.

HBO didn't pick up the pace until after "that fight", when everyone in the media all but dared them to put on a fight that was actually worth a damn.

In 2008, they're flying right out the gate.

And again, among all those fights mentioned, you still have major fights to schedule for Mayweather, Cotto (though most likely Margarito after their proposed doubleheader), Calzaghe, Hatton, Haye, the top light heavyweights (and hopefully finally against one another), etc.

So that's how it's shaping up to surpass 2007. Of the proposed dream matches, we're already getting at least two of them in the 1st Quarter of '08. Whereas we had to wait until the 2nd half of the year for desired fights to materialize. This years fights are leading to next year's BIGGER fights (save for super middleweight, though plenty on this side of the pond will argue that Calzaghe-Hopkins would generate far more interest than was the case for Calzaghe-Kessler).

That's how 2008 shaping up to surpass 2007.

Baron
11-30-2007, 07:34 PM
Great fight! I'm very happy this one gets made.:bears: Right now, I pick Marquez to win a UD.:flip:

Double L
11-30-2007, 07:38 PM
Diaz-Katsidis
Williams-Cintron
Peter-Maskaev
Pavlik-Taylor II
Wlad-Ibragimov
Vazquez-Marquez III
Marquez-Pacquiao II

That's in a 2-month span from mid January to mid-March, with "only" two of the fights on PPV

For sideshow entertainment value, there's also Jones-Trinidad.

Cotto-Clottey figures to land sometime in mid-March, about as competitive a fight as you can ask for a showcase slot. (though its co-feature, Margarito-Castillo, is more befitting of the showcase label) And also that it will lead to a Cotto-Margarito fight in June.

There also finally seems to be a push for Dawson-Tarver, possibly in mid-April (either that or Dawson-Diaconu, which I'll also gladly take).

And that we haven't even discussed what would be next for Floyd, Calzaghe, David Haye, Hatton etc...

margarito is fighting JLC? oh man. what a nightmare.

Double L
11-30-2007, 07:39 PM
i'm not holding my breath for cintron/williams. not after that thesbian performance by cintron following his last fight.

valdosta
11-30-2007, 07:45 PM
That's good considering it's already been called off.

valdosta
11-30-2007, 07:45 PM
margarito is fighting JLC? oh man. what a nightmare.

I called for that fight a long time ago. Wow, I can't wait :bears:

Double L
11-30-2007, 07:52 PM
I called for that fight a long time ago. Wow, I can't wait :bears:

JLC is gonna get killed. what's with margarito and his shit comp. i'm starting to have to agree with a lot of these people complaining he doesn't fight anyone. okay, clottey, cintron and williams were good opponents.

but johnson and now jlc? jlc, i'm sorry to say, isn't much at 147.

Double L
11-30-2007, 07:53 PM
I called for that fight a long time ago. Wow, I can't wait :bears:

azz-hole. :lol:

valdosta
11-30-2007, 08:07 PM
JLC is gonna get killed. what's with margarito and his shit comp. i'm starting to have to agree with a lot of these people complaining he doesn't fight anyone. okay, clottey, cintron and williams were good opponents.

but johnson and now jlc? jlc, i'm sorry to say, isn't much at 147.

It's to set up his fight with Cotto. It's not like Margarito has any kind of leverage to fight whoever he wants to. Personally I think Margarito has a pretty good style to defeat Cotto if they fight.

Double L
11-30-2007, 08:14 PM
It's to set up his fight with Cotto. It's not like Margarito has any kind of leverage to fight whoever he wants to. Personally I think Margarito has a pretty good style to defeat Cotto if they fight.

oh so do I !!! that's why i was so saddened by his loss to Williams because I think too many have taken it to mean that he was never a threat to Cotto - as if Cotto is anything that even remotely resembles Williams in terms of style.

so in that sense I should be happy - we will likely get to see Margarito/Cotto, and Margarito, in my opinion, will probably win that fight. after that, people will "have" to give him credit. and Williams too who I think is very under-rated, even despite his beating Margarito.

Cotto is the one who is over-rated at this stage, not that his win over Mosley wasn't significant or indicative that he's a good fighter.

By the way, I also think Margarito is a tougher fight for PBF than Cotto is.

I just hate to see JLC go out like this but I guess it's inevitable. He can't make 135 obviously. And he's been made pretty irrelevant at 140. If he'd put up a better fight against Hatton he might've succeeded in luring a guy like Juan Diaz to come up to 140 and fight him in set up for a Hatton/PBF fight. But a KO loss in the fourth round? He's basically Top Rank fodder now. And you know Margarito will have an easy time with him.

meetthefeebles
11-30-2007, 08:18 PM
oh so do I !!! that's why i was so saddened by his loss to Williams because I think too many have taken it to mean that he was never a threat to Cotto - as if Cotto is anything that even remotely resembles Williams in terms of style.

so in that sense I should be happy - we will likely get to see Margarito/Cotto, and Margarito, in my opinion, will probably win that fight. after that, people will "have" to give him credit. and Williams too who I think is very under-rated, even despite his beating Margarito.

Cotto is the one who is over-rated at this stage, not that his win over Mosley wasn't significant or indicative that he's a good fighter.

By the way, I also think Margarito is a tougher fight for PBF than Cotto is.

I just hate to see JLC go out like this but I guess it's inevitable. He can't make 135 obviously. And he's been made pretty irrelevant at 140. If he'd put up a better fight against Hatton he might've succeeded in luring a guy like Juan Diaz to come up to 140 and fight him in set up for a Hatton/PBF fight. But a KO loss in the fourth round? He's basically Top Rank fodder now. And you know Margarito will have an easy time with him.

So sad, and so true. The guy is shot, and he would be better to call it quits than to become 'a name for the resume'...

Mitchell Kane
11-30-2007, 08:25 PM
oh so do I !!! that's why i was so saddened by his loss to Williams because I think too many have taken it to mean that he was never a threat to Cotto - as if Cotto is anything that even remotely resembles Williams in terms of style.

so in that sense I should be happy - we will likely get to see Margarito/Cotto, and Margarito, in my opinion, will probably win that fight. after that, people will "have" to give him credit. and Williams too who I think is very under-rated, even despite his beating Margarito.

Cotto is the one who is over-rated at this stage, not that his win over Mosley wasn't significant or indicative that he's a good fighter.

By the way, I also think Margarito is a tougher fight for PBF than Cotto is.

I just hate to see JLC go out like this but I guess it's inevitable. He can't make 135 obviously. And he's been made pretty irrelevant at 140. If he'd put up a better fight against Hatton he might've succeeded in luring a guy like Juan Diaz to come up to 140 and fight him in set up for a Hatton/PBF fight. But a KO loss in the fourth round? He's basically Top Rank fodder now. And you know Margarito will have an easy time with him.

I agree with the last part. Castillo - like Morales - had stretches where he helped carry Top Rank. Castillo had one of the more complete resumes of any fighter in his era, and one of the busiest... but he looked finished against Hatton.

But then, like Morales against Pacquiao, Hatton is not someone a fighter with weakened legs and slower reflexes will fare well against. Guys like Hatton and Pacquiao will simply overwhelm them.

Maybe Castillo has a little more left than he showed, but he'll still get pounded by Margarito...who you can bet will be going downstairs just as Hatton did.

Double L
11-30-2007, 08:33 PM
I agree with the last part. Castillo - like Morales - had stretches where he helped carry Top Rank. Castillo had one of the more complete resumes of any fighter in his era, and one of the busiest... but he looked finished against Hatton.

But then, like Morales against Pacquiao, Hatton is not someone a fighter with weakened legs and slower reflexes will fare well against. Guys like Hatton and Pacquiao will simply overwhelm them.

Maybe Castillo has a little more left than he showed, but he'll still get pounded by Margarito...who you can bet will be going downstairs just as Hatton did.

plus, judging from the hatton and ngoudju fight, it doesn't look like castillo has much punching power at the higher weights. maybe if they use 8 oz gloves he can hurt margarito, but i doubt they will - they'll prolly use 10 oz in which case i can't see him putting a single dent in margarito.

and don't get me wrong - there's prlly some guys at 147 that people consider decent that castillo could beat imo - like i think a fight between him and collazo would be fascinating and not necessarily a loss for castillo (although he'd have to be the favorite).

it'd be interesting to see how castillo at this stage would deal with a zab judah too, or a sharmba mitchell. castillo's specialty seems to be neutralizing guys with speed and slickness - that's one of the things i always liked about him - his timing and smarts allowed him to overcome deficits in foot and hand-speed. that's a cerebral fighters - those are the guys i like to watch.

anyways, i agree. margarito will pound him, it won't be pretty, and of course, castillo will be declared finished and margarito will get no credit whatsoever for the win. but hey, if it paves the way for cotto/margarito? i guess i can't complain.

joony
11-30-2007, 08:40 PM
seems to me like arum never really cared for castillo. if he does in fact face margarito next year, he'll get punished and punished severely.

i dont really like the guy, but after all of them wars he's been through, he doesnt need to go out in that fashion.

meetthefeebles
11-30-2007, 08:53 PM
plus, judging from the hatton and ngoudju fight, it doesn't look like castillo has much punching power at the higher weights. maybe if they use 8 oz gloves he can hurt margarito, but i doubt they will - they'll prolly use 10 oz in which case i can't see him putting a single dent in margarito.

and don't get me wrong - there's prlly some guys at 147 that people consider decent that castillo could beat imo - like i think a fight between him and collazo would be fascinating and not necessarily a loss for castillo (although he'd have to be the favorite).

it'd be interesting to see how castillo at this stage would deal with a zab judah too, or a sharmba mitchell. castillo's specialty seems to be neutralizing guys with speed and slickness - that's one of the things i always liked about him - his timing and smarts allowed him to overcome deficits in foot and hand-speed. that's a cerebral fighters - those are the guys i like to watch.

anyways, i agree. margarito will pound him, it won't be pretty, and of course, castillo will be declared finished and margarito will get no credit whatsoever for the win. but hey, if it paves the way for cotto/margarito? i guess i can't complain.

Even at this stage, and even though Castillo is done, I would still fancy him to mangle Zab. And the less said about Sharmba, the better IMO...

And you are correct, Margarito will get no credit whatsoever for beating Castillo. But if he gets his shot at Cotto, that won't matter shit. And it will give you your shot at proving all those who doubted you wrong...:popcorn:

MTF

Jake
11-30-2007, 09:36 PM
seems to me like arum never really cared for castillo. if he does in fact face margarito next year, he'll get punished and punished severely.

i dont really like the guy, but after all of them wars he's been through, he doesnt need to go out in that fashion.
Castillo's at a point where he needs money fights. 2006 was disastrous on the financial front for him, as well as Arum when it came to investing in his fights. He basically fought Ngoudjo and Hatton for free when all was said and done.

Dude is seemingly at the end of his career, and needs a payday. I'm not a fan of this fight, I think it's a gross mismatch. But I certainly don't blame Castillo for taking it, or even Arum for putting it together.

Neil
11-30-2007, 09:41 PM
margarito is fighting JLC? oh man. what a nightmare.

another washed up lightweight for tony.

slystaff
11-30-2007, 11:40 PM
oh so do I !!! that's why i was so saddened by his loss to Williams because I think too many have taken it to mean that he was never a threat to Cotto - as if Cotto is anything that even remotely resembles Williams in terms of style.

so in that sense I should be happy - we will likely get to see Margarito/Cotto, and Margarito, in my opinion, will probably win that fight. after that, people will "have" to give him credit. and Williams too who I think is very under-rated, even despite his beating Margarito.

Cotto is the one who is over-rated at this stage, not that his win over Mosley wasn't significant or indicative that he's a good fighter.

By the way, I also think Margarito is a tougher fight for PBF than Cotto is.

I just hate to see JLC go out like this but I guess it's inevitable. He can't make 135 obviously. And he's been made pretty irrelevant at 140. If he'd put up a better fight against Hatton he might've succeeded in luring a guy like Juan Diaz to come up to 140 and fight him in set up for a Hatton/PBF fight. But a KO loss in the fourth round? He's basically Top Rank fodder now. And you know Margarito will have an easy time with him.Margarito would take him out in about 5 rounds of one way slaughter. But If by some miracle Castillo were to win that fight...I would be personally ecstatic with that result! :clap:

Xplosive
12-01-2007, 12:18 PM
i'm not holding my breath for cintron/williams. not after that thesbian performance by cintron following his last fight.

Agreed. Kermit the fraud dont want to get Punished!

Double L
12-01-2007, 12:33 PM
Castillo's at a point where he needs money fights. 2006 was disastrous on the financial front for him, as well as Arum when it came to investing in his fights. He basically fought Ngoudjo and Hatton for free when all was said and done.

Dude is seemingly at the end of his career, and needs a payday. I'm not a fan of this fight, I think it's a gross mismatch. But I certainly don't blame Castillo for taking it, or even Arum for putting it together.

yeah. as great a fights as those were with Corrales, there was the weight issue, plus the fact that seemingly, Castillo can't draw shit.

i will say though that Arum stood behind Castillo following the first PBF fight, saying he couldn't understand how anyone could watch boxing after that decision. of course, that could've been all about setting up the rematch so that PBF wouldn't have to fight a guy outside of Arum's stable.

when all is said and done, Arum's primary objective seems to be to make fights involving fighters only he promotes:

PBF/Hernandez
Morales/Chavez
Morales/Hernandez
PBF/Castillo
PBF/Corrales
Corrales/Juuko

If two guys are in or around the same weight class, and both promoted by Arum, it's a good bet they will face each other eventually. Arum, it would seem, doesn't like to share his promotions one bit.

royyjonesjrp4pno1
12-01-2007, 12:50 PM
yeah. as great a fights as those were with Corrales, there was the weight issue, plus the fact that seemingly, Castillo can't draw shit.

i will say though that Arum stood behind Castillo following the first PBF fight, saying he couldn't understand how anyone could watch boxing after that decision. of course, that could've been all about setting up the rematch so that PBF wouldn't have to fight a guy outside of Arum's stable.

when all is said and done, Arum's primary objective seems to be to make fights involving fighters only he promotes:

PBF/Hernandez
Morales/Chavez
Morales/Hernandez
PBF/Castillo
PBF/Corrales
Corrales/Juuko

If two guys are in or around the same weight class, and both promoted by Arum, it's a good bet they will face each other eventually. Arum, it would seem, doesn't like to share his promotions one bit.
Thats a good list. I don't care who them guys were promoted by they were all good fights.

Double L
12-01-2007, 01:59 PM
Thats a good list. I don't care who them guys were promoted by they were all good fights.

not saying they weren't good fights, or that they should not have been made. just providing examples of fights (and there's thousands more) in which both fighters were promoted by Arum.

David Diaz/Morales is another good example.

Point is, when the public demands a fight involving one of Arum's fighters, and the opponent is NOT, it is an ordeal - always. And Arum you hear bitch all the time about how tough it is to work with this promoter or that one, but the translation to that is, "it's tough to get the other promoters to bend to my terms."

All I'm saying is if there's two potential match-ups on the horizon that are the slightest bit comparable in terms of entertainment value or significance in the sport, and one involves two Arum fighters, but the other doesn't, you can bet your bottom dollar it'll be the one with two Arum fighters that gets made. And it's precisely why if and when Pacquiao does make a move to 135 you can bet it's David Diaz, and not Juan Diaz that he fights.

Mitchell Kane
12-01-2007, 02:04 PM
yeah. as great a fights as those were with Corrales, there was the weight issue, plus the fact that seemingly, Castillo can't draw shit.

i will say though that Arum stood behind Castillo following the first PBF fight, saying he couldn't understand how anyone could watch boxing after that decision. of course, that could've been all about setting up the rematch so that PBF wouldn't have to fight a guy outside of Arum's stable.

when all is said and done, Arum's primary objective seems to be to make fights involving fighters only he promotes:

PBF/Hernandez
Morales/Chavez
Morales/Hernandez
PBF/Castillo
PBF/Corrales
Corrales/Juuko

If two guys are in or around the same weight class, and both promoted by Arum, it's a good bet they will face each other eventually. Arum, it would seem, doesn't like to share his promotions one bit.

Don King is the same way. It's the smaller promoters that usually do the most work with other promoters...though I think King seems to be tiring in his old age which is why he's now co-promoting just about every heavyweight not named Klitschko.

Double L
12-01-2007, 02:27 PM
Margarito would take him out in about 5 rounds of one way slaughter. But If by some miracle Castillo were to win that fight...I would be personally ecstatic with that result! :clap:

why would you be ecstatic? you seem to hate every fighter i like. and in this case, either outcome would involve a favorite of mine having won.