EDWIN VALERO PAD WORKOUT (video)

[cupey alto]

very interesting pad workout

http://www.fightbeat.com/videos.php?id=88 (http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/../videos.php?id=88)

[cupey alto]

come on Karl, check it out.

[StingerKarl]

What do you want me to say, Carlos.
The guy can't fight is all I am going to say.
The oriental guy wasn't doing anything in there to shorten up his shots, which is one of Valero's many shortcomings.
Valero was squaring up to the guy as well.
Look at this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YAZregpxgAQ
The guy looks and fights like one of the Three Stooges, wide open winging wild looping punches, chin straight in the air, absolutely comical.

[cupey alto]

I wanted you to laugh hahahahahahaha. That was terrible

[StingerKarl]

Now I get it.
Part of the reason why Valero is such a poor fighter is that he dosen't have a good trainer.

[myelmers]

What do you want me to say, Carlos.
The guy can't fight is all I am going to say.
The oriental guy wasn't doing anything in there to shorten up his shots, which is one of Valero's many shortcomings.
Valero was squaring up to the guy as well.
Look at this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YAZregpxgAQ
The guy looks and fights like one of the Three Stooges, wide open winging wild looping punches, chin straight in the air, absolutely comical.

not only has he done 100 times as much as you will ever do in the ring, he's a world champion who is fun to watch.

What is up with the writers/contributors on this site shitting on pro fighters who are ten times more involved and valuable to the game then any of you.

Valero looks much better than say Harry Greb shadowboxing, or anything marciano does.

Would the "stinger" shit on those guys as much as he does world champions like Pacquiao and Valero. This is a disgusting display, and not the first one on this topic.

[joony]

mr. tanaka worked w/ barrera for years. he's one of the best mitt-men in the business. not sure about his training ability tho.

[StingerKarl]

not only has he done 100 times as much as you will ever do in the ring, he's a world champion who is fun to watch.

What is up with the writers/contributors on this site shitting on pro fighters who are ten times more involved and valuable to the game then any of you.

Valero looks much better than say Harry Greb shadowboxing, or anything marciano does.

Would the "stinger" shit on those guys as much as he does world champions like Pacquiao and Valero. This is a disgusting display, and not the first one on this topic.

I was asked to take a look at this guy on the pads and I gave my opinion to the guy that asked me.
If you don't like my response, tough shit.
I don't like you calling me a schlep either, something I assure you wouldn't say to me in person.

[myelmers]

I was asked to take a look at this guy on the pads and I gave my opinion to the guy that asked me.
If you don't like my response, tough shit.
I don't like you calling me a schlep either, something I assure you wouldn't say to me in person.

well when u diss a champion who has done nothing but entertain you come off as a spiteful ignorant prick.

how bout not taking shots at true professionals, because as far as i know not only are you a hack of a writer, but you have never fought in your life. As a friend of edwin valero's I will continue to defend him against disgruntled never-was es who think they know more about boxing than an undefeated professional, or a well respected trainer.

maybe you should stick to fake ass wrestling, where its part of the game to talk a bunch of nonsense and insult people who lay their life on the lines every time out.

[StingerKarl]

well when u diss a champion who has done nothing but entertain you come off as a spiteful ignorant prick.

how bout not taking shots at true professionals, because as far as i know not only are you a hack of a writer, but you have never fought in your life. As a friend of edwin valero's I will continue to defend him against disgruntled never-was es who think they know more about boxing than an undefeated professional, or a well respected trainer.

maybe you should stick to fake ass wrestling, where its part of the game to talk a bunch of nonsense and insult people who lay their life on the lines every time out.

Bro, I had 98 amateur fights going 75-23 with 41 RSC's, and I beat Al Carter who was a national champion and a killer as a pro.
I also was a paid sparring partner for Rolando Navarette when he was training for Alexis Arguello who would have dusted Valero inside of a round.
When I was Valero's weight, I would have dusted him inside of two rounds.
Valero isn't shit as a fighter, and if it chaps your ass, that's tough -- work with it.
As far as being a hack of a writer goes, my stuff is in the World Boxing Hall of Fame, asshole.

[myelmers]

Bro, I had 98 amateur fights going 75-23 with 41 RSC's, and I beat Al Carter who was a national champion and a killer as a pro.
I also was a paid sparring partner for Rolando Navarette when he was training for Alexis Arguello who would have dusted Valero inside of a round.
When I was Valero's weight, I would have dusted him inside of two rounds.
Valero isn't shit as a fighter, and if it chaps your ass, that's tough -- work with it.
As far as being a hack of a writer goes, my stuff is in the World Boxing Hall of Fame, asshole.

is that what bothers you. That a nobody from venezuela, because he's actually talented unlike you, gets to rise to world calibur status, where you are forced to talk a bunch of trash on a messageboard and talk about the das when u got your ass beaten by Rolando Navarette?

What a joke you are to suggest you could compete with Edwin Valero. Sadly you are older, or else he'd beat the piss out of you, although if you talked this kind of shit to his face im sure he's give you a metal plate in your head to match his own.

just get a reality check you deluded prick, you wouldn't last 2 minutes with a world champion calibur fighter, thats why you're a never was without a record or a name.

[cupey alto]

I saw a home video of Valero with his family. Seems like a nice guy. Tell me about him as a person

[StingerKarl]

is that what bothers you. That a nobody from venezuela, because he's actually talented unlike you, gets to rise to world calibur status, where you are forced to talk a bunch of trash on a messageboard and talk about the das when u got your ass beaten by Rolando Navarette?

What a joke you are to suggest you could compete with Edwin Valero. Sadly you are older, or else he'd beat the piss out of you, although if you talked this kind of shit to his face im sure he's give you a metal plate in your head to match his own.

just get a reality check you deluded prick, you wouldn't last 2 minutes with a world champion calibur fighter, thats why you're a never was without a record or a name.

You better watch it here, asshole.
This forum is for boxing discussion only, Carlos and and mods take note of this troublemaker.

[StingerKarl]

I'll bet I could take care of you.

[myelmers]

I saw a home video of Valero with his family. Seems like a nice guy. Tell me about him as a person

yeah he's pretty humble about it, and if you didn't know he was a pro fighter you wouldn't guess it by how he acts. I mean he's not a pussy or anything, but he isn't as mean as his fighting style suggests.

[cupey alto]

yeah he's pretty humble about it, and if you didn't know he was a pro fighter you wouldn't guess it by how he acts. I mean he's not a pussy or anything, but he isn't as mean as his fighting style suggests.
Yeah, I have a feeling he's a real likable guy. His kids were beautiful.

Listen, everyone says things about fighters. Joony and I called Pacquiao a one-trick pony. But it takes hearts and guts to get in there. He looks dedicated to what he does and we wish him the best.

Cupey

[myelmers]

I'll bet I could take care of you.

not only am i about a foot taller than you, but my "gun-fu" skills are exceptional. If you talked this kind of shit to my face, id pistol whip your face into something worth looking at.

just stick to boxing discussion, and stop shitting on true pros is all.

[myelmers]

Yeah, I have a feeling he's a real likable guy. His kids were beautiful.

Listen, everyone says things about fighters. Joony and I called Pacquiao a one-trick pony. But it takes hearts and guts to get in there. He looks dedicated to what he does and we wish him the best.

Cupey

one trick pony is one thing, but insinuating that a professional guy is garbage, and that someone on this message board could beat him in a boxing match is just ridiculous.

He does need to work on some things, and get back to more boxing I think, but he's an undefeated world champion, as is pacquiao, and I'm sure you wouldn't enter every thread relating to him saying you'd beat his ass.

thanks for the good wishes though, I'm sure any guy appreciates support, even if he doesn't see it.

[StingerKarl]

not only am i about a foot taller than you, but my "gun-fu" skills are exceptional. If you talked this kind of shit to my face, id pistol whip your face into something worth looking at.

just stick to boxing discussion, and stop shitting on true pros is all.

Savannah Gym in Houston, we will lock the door and see who comes out, asshole.
I also hold advanced belts in Judo, and can break your neck.

[myelmers]

Savannah Gym in Houston, we will lock the door and see who comes out, asshole.
I also hold advanced belts in Judo, and can break your neck.

dude get a life.

[Haymaker]

stinger, why do you insist on fighting with forum members?

Do you really (like for real, seriously) think that some day, someone from this forum will ever get on a plane and land in your gym to fight you?? :dunno:


ain't gonna happen man, so chill out :lol:

[StingerKarl]

stinger, why do you insist on fighting with forum members?

Do you really (like for real, seriously) think that some day, someone from this forum will ever get on a plane and land in your gym to fight you?? :dunno:


ain't gonna happen man, so chill out :lol:

Look, this clown has been on me since day one when he signed on here calling me a schlep amongnst other things, and I have never heard of him before.
Carlos asked me about this guy, I gave my opinion (which is an accurate one) and this guy takes it as a personal affront against him and gets personal with me.

[cupey alto]

stinger, why do you insist on fighting with forum members?

Do you really (like for real, seriously) think that some day, someone from this forum will ever get on a plane and land in your gym to fight you?? :dunno:


ain't gonna happen man, so chill out :lol:

I'm going to fly to Puerto Rico and give you a beating if you don't attend the Tito-Roy conference in San Juan

Cupey

[slystaff]

well when u diss a champion who has done nothing but entertain you come off as a spiteful ignorant prick.

how bout not taking shots at true professionals, because as far as i know not only are you a hack of a writer, but you have never fought in your life. As a friend of edwin valero's I will continue to defend him against disgruntled never-was es who think they know more about boxing than an undefeated professional, or a well respected trainer.

maybe you should stick to fake ass wrestling, where its part of the game to talk a bunch of nonsense and insult people who lay their life on the lines every time out.Dude, relax. This is a boxing message board. We ALL criticize professional fighters for something ro another. We criticize Frietas for quitting, Ruiz for clinching, Cory Spinks for running, Cazaghe for slapping, Hopkins for illegal tactics, Trinidad for handwraps, De La Hoya for cross-dressing, Jermaine Taylor for fighting like an amateur, Euro bums for ducking legitimate American challengers..etc

This is nothing new and as fans we have the right to criticize if we want to. What's with these sudden attacks on Karl?

Who are you?

[joony]

valero is no joke and he just might be the best 130/135 pounder in the world. not sure if we'll ever find out.

[cupey alto]

valero is no joke and he just might be the best 130/135 pounder in the world. not sure if we'll ever find out.

http://www.fightbeat.com/images/article_images/869.jpg
JOON LEE ON THE RIGHT

[valdosta]

He is far from technically perfect but he showed some good speed in some of those clips.

[steve_dave]

Valero is a killer.

Let me know when someone sees the final bell against the guy.

[Azazel]

He is far from technically perfect but he showed some good speed in some of those clips.
very good balance and movement imo also

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Dude, relax. This is a boxing message board. We ALL criticize professional fighters for something ro another. We criticize Frietas for quitting, Ruiz for clinching, Cory Spinks for running, Cazaghe for slapping, Hopkins for illegal tactics, Trinidad for handwraps, De La Hoya for cross-dressing, Jermaine Taylor for fighting like an amateur, Euro bums for ducking legitimate American challengers..etc

This is nothing new and as fans we have the right to criticize if we want to. What's with these sudden attacks on Karl?

Who are you?

The stupid thing is, Karl's criticizm is based on how Valero looks like, not how well he actually does, which is very unprofessional and uneducated from a boxing writer.

If you don't like the way a guy (even a world champ) fights, that's ok. To say he can't fight because you don't like it, that shows just lack of understanding

[valdosta]

very good balance and movement imo also

Honestly I agree. Funny I have never seen him move that fluidly in his fights. I have always thought he is kinda robotic. Weird. Regardless, he has legit results that can't be argued with to much. Mosquera is a pretty decent fighter. Valero beat him without really beating anyone worth a damn beforehand. he shouldn;t have been ready for a title shot yet he was, and he won.

[steve_dave]

Honestly I agree. Funny I have never seen him move that fluidly in his fights. I have always thought he is kinda robotic. Weird. Regardless, he has legit results that can't be argued with to much. Mosquera is a pretty decent fighter. Valero beat him without really beating anyone worth a damn beforehand. he shouldn;t have been ready for a title shot yet he was, and he won.


By KO.

[Breeze]

I see nothing bad about what Karl said. He just gave an accurate critique about Valero's technical deficiencies. Doesn't mean he's a bad fighter, but he's not like the guy doesn't have any flaws either.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

I see nothing bad about what Karl said. He just gave an accurate critique about Valero's technical deficiencies. Doesn't mean he's a bad fighter, but he's not like the guy doesn't have any flaws either.

But that's exactly what Karl said, plus that he would beat Valero in two rounds, which is downright ridiculous. Of course I understand that anybody who has ever sparred overrates themselves (boxing is that type of a game: everybody thinks they are world champs). However when a regional level boxer who lost every fourth amateur match e ever had claiming he would make easy work of an actual professional world champ, that is a joke

[slystaff]

The stupid thing is, Karl's criticizm is based on how Valero looks like, not how well he actually does, which is very unprofessional and uneducated from a boxing writer.

If you don't like the way a guy (even a world champ) fights, that's ok. To say he can't fight because you don't like it, that shows just lack of understandingFair enough point. But people criticize Mayorga for being a wild swinging amateur all the time. What's the difference?

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Fair enough point. But people criticize Mayorga for being a wild swinging amateur all the time. What's the difference?

The difference is that Mayorga's style has lead to some heavy losses while Valero's record is unblemished. If some casual boxing fan would claim he could beat Mayorga, that would naturally be just as ridiculous

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

valero is no joke and he just might be the best 130/135 pounder in the world. not sure if we'll ever find out.Word.

[Bruce]

Dude, relax. This is a boxing message board. We ALL criticize professional fighters for something ro another. We criticize Frietas for quitting, Ruiz for clinching, Cory Spinks for running, Cazaghe for slapping, Hopkins for illegal tactics, Trinidad for handwraps, De La Hoya for cross-dressing, Jermaine Taylor for fighting like an amateur, Euro bums for ducking legitimate American challengers..etc

This is nothing new and as fans we have the right to criticize if we want to. What's with these sudden attacks on Karl?

Who are you?

:laughing: best punchline so far in a while.

[StingerKarl]

Where was this bum 25 years ago when I was a Jr. Lightweight???
I would have knocked him from Guam to Caracas, and you can take that to the bank!

[ArturoGatti]

Where was this bum 25 years ago when I was a Jr. Lightweight???
I would have knocked him from Guam to Caracas, and you can take that to the bank!Karl, Valero was good enough to go undefeated in like 25 pro fights, and win a world title. He has also won all of his fights by knockout. You can't possibly be serious when you say that you would kick his ass, now, or 25 years ago.

[Explosivo]

Look, this clown has been on me since day one when he signed on here calling me a schlep amongnst other things, and I have never heard of him before.
Carlos asked me about this guy, I gave my opinion (which is an accurate one) and this guy takes it as a personal affront against him and gets personal with me.


If you were in fact an amatuer who trained with world class fighters.......you are an embarassment to them.

Grow up asshole head.

[His_Royness]

The difference is that Mayorga's style has lead to some heavy losses while Valero's record is unblemished


maybe that would change if he takes on the likes of Spinks, Trinidad or de la Hoya of his weight class??? :dunno:

[Punk]

The guy can't fight is all I am going to say.

The guy looks and fights like one of the Three Stooges, wide open winging wild looping punches, chin straight in the air, absolutely comical.

Disgraceful commentary towards an undefeated professional world champion.

Cupey, watch this troublemaker.:old:

[His_Royness]

Maybe he's not the best boxer but to say he can't fight is simply retarded. I wouldn't even mind the harsh critics if on the other hand tha guy wouldn't worship people like Chris Henry who have achieved ZERO in boxing as the next Bob Foster... :notallthere:

[Punk]

I wouldn't even mind the harsh critics if on the other hand tha guy wouldn't worship people like Chris Henry who have achieved ZERO in boxing as the next Bob Foster... :notallthere:

Hey have you sparred 100 rounds with Stinky Rodriguez back in 1964 beside the carpark next to the hotdog stand in downtown Dallas? If not, please keep your opinions to yourself.

Cupey, watch this troublemaker.

[bpg]

Good video.

Boxing needs Valero to be licensed again. I don't know if he can beat the Paquiao's and Diaz's of the world, but i sure as hell want to see him try.

Fights against those guys and Katsidis, Guzman, and co all have FOTY potential. Valero comes to fight and punches like hell, i can't understand why people dislike him.

I think Valero is fighting down to the level of his competition. The guys he's been in with recently are totally overmatched, and he knows it. I'm sure he wouldn't be as reckless against a higher caliber of fighter. It might be a bit unprofessional, but he's still blowing all these guys out in a round, so who can question it.

Remember the video of him sparring Morales? He spanked him like a novice. Yeh, Morales might have been rusty as hell, but anyone who has only had a handful of fights should not be able to do that to a PFP fighter regardless. The guy has skills, mad power and fights all out offense. What more do you want?


Oh, and if this site wants to gain some respect and credibility, it might want to stop hyping never-were's and never-will-be's, and trashing WORLD CHAMPIONS.

[Punk]

Oh, and if this site wants to gain some respect and credibility, it might want to stop hyping never-were's and never-will-be's, and trashing WORLD CHAMPIONS.

Indeed.

[winner by choke]

i am an undefeated amateur boxer (3-0 baby) and a blue belt in jiu jitsu bu tI never even claim to be able to hang with even ivan calderon.

the fact that someone, good poster or not, thinks they can beat valero not in a fight but in a boxing match is being ridiculous.

we've all met the guy at the gym who "ufc fights" and could beat up tyson:rolleyes: . i mean seriously karl, whats up?

[StingerKarl]

i am an undefeated amateur boxer (3-0 baby) and a blue belt in jiu jitsu bu tI never even claim to be able to hang with even ivan calderon.

the fact that someone, good poster or not, thinks they can beat valero not in a fight but in a boxing match is being ridiculous.

we've all met the guy at the gym who "ufc fights" and could beat up tyson:rolleyes: . i mean seriously karl, whats up?

I said I could have beaten him when I was his weight, and I could have.
You are going to have similar thoughts yourself down the road after your career has ended when you watch certain fighters, and think you really could have beaten them after you have analyzed their style.
Valero's style is that he has no style and is wide open.
Valero is a good puncher with good handspeed, but being able to do a couple of things good and everything else not good dosen't make one a good fighter.
He reminds me a lot of Elisha Obed, former junior middleweight champion.
Obed ran up a massive undefeated streak with almost all by knockouts, and knocked out a fair champion in Miguel DeOlivera to win his championship, just like Valero knocked out a fair fighter in Mosquera.
But the first guy that took his shot, got off the floor, gave it back to him and exploited his non existent defense, the late Eckhard Dagge, was able to beat him just like Valero is going to get beat in similar fashion in the future.
Look Obed up on boxrec and take a look at all of the knockouts that he had, very intriguing and garish record much like Valero's.
Obed never learned the fundamentals, like Valero has never learned the fundamentals.
In Obed's case it was a bit strange as Angelo Dundee worked with him as did several other real top trainers of the time.
Being a world champion dosen't necessarily make one a good fighter, and I don't think Valero is a good fighter.
A good puncher and a good fighter are two entirely different things.
Good luck in your career, sounds like you are doing great and are listening to your coach.
Karl

[Father of Muzse]

I said I could have beaten him when I was his weight, and I could have.
You are going to have similar thoughts yourself down the road after your career has ended when you watch certain fighters, and think you really could have beaten them after you have analyzed their style.Valero's style is that he has no style and is wide open.
Valero is a good puncher with good handspeed, but being able to do a couple of things good and everything else not good dosen't make one a good fighter.
He reminds me a lot of Elisha Obed, former junior middleweight champion.
Obed ran up a massive undefeated streak with almost all by knockouts, and knocked out a fair champion in Miguel DeOlivera to win his championship, just like Valero knocked out Mosquera.
But the first guy that took his shot, got off the floor, gave it back to him and exploited his non existent defense, the late Eckhard Dagge, was able to beat him just like Valero is going to get beat in similar fashion in the future.
Look Obed up on boxrec and take a look at all of the knockouts that he had, very intriguing and garish record much like Valero's.
Obed never learned the fundamentals, like Valero has never learned the fundamentals.
In Obed's case it was a bit strange as Angelo Dundee worked with him as did several other real top trainers of the time.
Being a world champion dosen't necessarily make one a good fighter, and I don't think Valero is a good fighter.
A good puncher and a good fighter are two entirely different things.
Good luck in your career, sounds like you are doing great and are listening to your coach.
Karl


Seeing that you were an ammy fighter who didn't have a pro career (or if you had one, it didn't pan out) and Valero is a world champion...I have to call bullshit on this one.

[slystaff]

Where was this bum 25 years ago when I was a Jr. Lightweight???
I would have knocked him from Guam to Caracas, and you can take that to the bank!:lol:

You set yourself up for a hail of abuse with that one. I can't defend you this time homie! You're on your own! :lol:

[StingerKarl]

Come on, you know I like yanking chains, sly.:lol:

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Being a world champion dosen't necessarily make one a good fighter
Karl

Really?

The how is it supposed to be proven? By fighting in a "correct" way, never mind if you get your ass whupped every fourth time you fight a novice amateur bout?

[StingerKarl]

It's funny that it's the same several posters getting angry when I tell the truth about Valero.:lol:
I think Ivan Calderon could beat him, he'd never lay a glove on Calderon and Ivan would literally box his ears off and win every round.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

It's funny that it's the same several posters getting angry when I tell the truth about Valero.:lol:
I think Ivan Calderon could beat him, he'd never lay a glove on Calderon and Ivan would literally box his ears off and win every round.

Nobody is angry here, they are just ridiculing you and your silly take