Chavez Jr-Sanchez Updates

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Note the word updates doesn't mean Round by Round.

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Michael Clark and Mike Alvarado are already in the ring.

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Clark hurts his hand with the first punch he throws. After 90 seconds the ref takes Clark to the Doctor who asks Clark if he wants to continue and he doesn't.

Alvarado barely got off a punch and gets himself a 1 round TKO victory.

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Up next Ivan Calderon vs Juan Esquer

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

So far after 11 rounds i got it 8-3 for Calderon. 107-102.

It may be closer on the cards because Esquer is coming forward and the crowd goes crazy everytime he throws.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Esquer won the last round it could be close on the official scorecards. Calderon did nothing in the last round.

I got it 116-112 for Calderon.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

116-112 118-110 115-113

For the winner by UD

And Still WBO Mini Flyweight (108lbs:lol: ) Champion

Ivan Calderon

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Up Next Jorge Arce vs Megeor Sangsurat

Samsurat has a win over Manny Pac.

[ElTerriblee]

Up Next Jorge Arce vs Megeor Sangsurat

Samsurat has a win over Manny Pac.

Yeah 25 years ago. He beat up an underage.

[StingerKarl]

116-112 118-110 115-113

For the winner by UD

And Still WBO Mini Flyweight (108lbs:lol: ) Champion

Ivan Calderon

The BEST pure boxer in the sport, :bears: bar none.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Arce lands a body shot and down goes Sangsurat. Sangsurat gets up then squats down in pain and the ref stops the fight.

[StingerKarl]

Arce is one bad little dude.

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Up Next the main event.

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr Vs Ray Sanchez

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This is Chavez's first fight against a southpaw.

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Here comes Chavez Jr to what sounds like a mix of boos and cheers.

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Now Sanchez makes his way to the ring.

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Sanchez landed and threw more in round 1. Chavez is in a feeling out process.

Round 1 to Sanchez.

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Round 2 is fought at a much faster pace. Both guys come out swinging. Sanchez landed more but Chavez hurt him at the end of the round.

I got it 19-19.

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Round 3 is another great round. Sanchez is throwing and landing more but Chavez is landing the bigger more damaging punches.

I got it 29-28 for Chavez.

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Sanchez was impressive in round 4. He kept the fight at range and landed combos. Chavez landed some good punches at the end of the round but Sanchez already won the round.

38-38

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Round 5 is one of the rounds of the year. Sanchez stands flat footed and they trade. Chavez harder punches but Sanchez landed more. For the last 30 seconds they just traded bombs.

Sanchez 48-47

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In round 6 Chavez lands a huge right hand that hurts Sanchez. He backs up into the ropes and Chavez hammers him with a brutal combination. Sanchez goes down and doesn't get up.

The winner by KO in round number 6

Julion Cesar Chavez Jr

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Julio Jr

"it was a tough fight but i can handle that im at another level"

"he is a hard puncher but i was too strong but i was never hurt"

"It was an accumulation and he couldn't take it"

"i think i proved myself i graduated tonight"

"it doesn't matter who is next it doesn't matter if it is Gomez or Baldomir im ready""

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Ray Sanchez
"I didn't keep my composure i got out of my game, he caught me some good punches. I got out of my gameplan i shot my load early. This is what boxing is about 2 young fighters putting it all on the line"

[Hanzy]

Sanchez too small too weak. Chavez Jr is fighting smaller men, how much weight is he draining to make this weight class? :lol:

[Hanzy]

:lol: Amazing! Julio Cesar Chavez Jr just won an exciting fight and there's only 4 members on here and nobody seems to give a crap.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

:lol: Amazing! Julio Cesar Chavez Jr just won an exciting fight and there's only 4 members on here and nobody seems to give a crap.Im happy you care.

[Jake]

Exciting is underselling it - the fight was easily one of the 10 best fights this year, which is saying something considering how many great fights we've had in 2007. Chavez Jr. proved a lot tonight. Like it or not, he's a future star at whatever decision he decides to make his run.

RJJ, you and I were only one round off on Calderon-Esquer (I had it 117-111) and one off on JCC-Sanchez (I scored the 5th for Chavez, but a close and GREAT round). Sanchez was up on two of the three cards at the time of the stoppage.

[Hanzy]

Im happy you care.

Of course. Just don't ever ask me to pay for it.:nono: :lol:

[Hanzy]

Exciting is underselling it - the fight was easily one of the 10 best fights this year, which is saying something considering how many great fights we've had in 2007. Chavez Jr. proved a lot tonight. Like it or not, he's a future star at whatever decision he decides to make his run.

RJJ, you and I were only one round off on Calderon-Esquer (I had it 117-111) and one off on JCC-Sanchez (I scored the 5th for Chavez, but a close and GREAT round). Sanchez was up on two of the three cards at the time of the stoppage.

By the looks of it, yes he's got a career ahead of him. Seems he's big for his class though and no hard hitting jr middles have stepped up to him.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Exciting is underselling it - the fight was easily one of the 10 best fights this year, which is saying something considering how many great fights we've had in 2007. Chavez Jr. proved a lot tonight. Like it or not, he's a future star at whatever decision he decides to make his run.

RJJ, you and I were only one round off on Calderon-Esquer (I had it 117-111) and one off on JCC-Sanchez (I scored the 5th for Chavez, but a close and GREAT round). Sanchez was up on two of the three cards at the time of the stoppage.The fifth was a hard round to score. Chavez landed the harder punches but Sanchez landed more. I had Sanchez up after 5 rounds as well

[Hex-One]

When are they going to throw a opponent with a pulse against this kid? WTF. He's nothing special. He will get flattened the moment he fights a quality fighter.

[joony]

When are they going to throw a opponent with a pulse against this kid? WTF. He's nothing special. He will get flattened the moment he fights a quality fighter.

he just beat a decent club fighter who's only had one loss. he's not even 22 yet.

if he soundly beats alfonso gomez and continues to win, i'm sure he'll fight for a title sometime in early 2009.

[pug]

he just beat a decent club fighter who's only had one loss. he's not even 22 yet.

if he soundly beats alfonso gomez and continues to win, i'm sure he'll fight for a title sometime in early 2009.53-0 when he fights for a title?

:lol:

Im still not sold on him

[whiskey]

I think Chavez Jr. should capmpaign at welterweight. I think beats Gomez.

After that? We'll have to wait and see but i don't think he's quite ready for the elite yet.

[Hanzy]

When are they going to throw a opponent with a pulse against this kid? WTF. He's nothing special. He will get flattened the moment he fights a quality fighter.

He's bigger than all his competition to date if you noticed. He's using his size and strength against these tiny no-power having club guys. They haven't put him in there with lethal punchers.

[Hex-One]

He's bigger than all his competition to date if you noticed. He's using his size and strength against these tiny no-power having club guys. They haven't put him in there with lethal punchers. It's just driving me nuts how they are using his name to create this blockbuster fighter that he aint. Wasnt his recent fight PPV? WTF is up with that?

[whiskey]

It's just driving me nuts how they are using his name to create this blockbuster fighter that he aint. Wasnt his recent fight PPV? WTF is up with that?

It's called marketing.

[Hex-One]

I think Chavez Jr. should capmpaign at welterweight. I think beats Gomez.

After that? We'll have to wait and see but i don't think he's quite ready for the elite yet. I hope they put Cotto vs this over-hyped Mexican fighter. I want to see Cotto make him quit with BODY PUNCHES. I dont know who I hate more, PBF or Chavez Jr.:doh:

[whiskey]

I hope they put Cotto vs this over-hyped Mexican fighter. I want to see Cotto make him quit with BODY PUNCHES. I dont know who I hate more, PBF or Chavez Jr.:doh:

He's not ready for Cotto yet. I don't know of anyone who says otherwise. He's basically just passing the prospect stage at this point.

[Hex-One]

He's not ready for Cotto yet. I don't know of anyone who says otherwise. He's basically just passing the prospect stage at this point. I understand. But why not have him fight on ESPN? Why is he being pampered in every fucking PPV undercard? Its bullshit. I want to see him get flattened.

[pug]

It's called marketing.It's called screwing boxing fans

[whiskey]

It's called screwing boxing fans

Not really. Maybe you aren't a fan, but Jr. packs the house when he fights. He has a following, that can't be denied.

[Hanzy]

I understand. But why not have him fight on ESPN? Why is he being pampered in every fucking PPV undercard? Its bullshit. I want to see him get flattened.

Come on Hex-One. Let the mexicans have their last little bit of hope in an up and coming athlete. They got nothing else left on the big stage.:lol: And nor does the sport in general. That's why it's easier for any young sh*t with an unblemished streak to gain a fanbase. Fans will just take whatever they can get at this stage.

[Hex-One]

Come on Hex-One. Let the mexicans have their last little bit of hope in an up and coming athlete. They got nothing else left on the big stage.:lol: And nor does the sport in general. That's why it's easier for any young sh*t with an unblemished streak to gain a fanbase. Fans will just take whatever they can get at this stage. :stir: It just gets to me thats all.:tease:

[pug]

Not really. Maybe you aren't a fan, but Jr. packs the house when he fights. He has a following, that can't be denied.It cant be denied also that he would be a Jorge Solis type if it wasnt for papa.

[V10]

When are they going to throw a opponent with a pulse against this kid? WTF. He's nothing special. He will get flattened the moment he fights a quality fighter.
After years of protection, just like Cotto who just had his first big fight at 26.

Same promoter, see? :popcorn:

[Jake]

By the looks of it, yes he's got a career ahead of him. Seems he's big for his class though and no hard hitting jr middles have stepped up to him.
That's because he's not a junior middleweight

[Hanzy]

That's because he's not a junior middleweight

Chavez 150
Sanchez 149

Division: 147-154 (Super Welterweight/Jr Middleweight)

:dunno:

[Jake]

It's common for non-title fights to take place a couple of lbs over your natural weight class.

[Hanzy]

It's common for non-title fights to take place a couple of lbs over your natural weight class.

So what is Jr's real legitimate weight class as of now? He's obviously going to fill out some more and ultimately be fighting in the middleweight division within a few years by the looks of it.

[Jake]

It cant be denied also that he would be a Jorge Solis type if it wasnt for papa.
Yeah, but he's still making the most of the opportunities he's being given.

You don't think that Lou DiBella would pimp the hell out of Ronald Hearns or James McGirt Jr if he could? Mexican fans WANT to see more of Chavez Jr. and from what I've seen thus far, nary a fan of his feels cheated by night's end. Hell, there was almost a riot last night with fans ready to throw down w/ po-po and security just to get a picture of him.

[pug]

Yeah, but he's still making the most of the opportunities he's being given.

So is Laila Ali, fighting stiffs, making money while betraying boxing fans by not fighting real competition to test your ability.
At least she is not 20 pounds bigger than her opponents on fight night though except for the Martin fight:doh:

[ILLUMINATI]

I hope they put Cotto vs this over-hyped Mexican fighter. I want to see Cotto make him quit with BODY PUNCHES. I dont know who I hate more, PBF or Chavez Jr.:doh:

:dunno: Chavez will never be ready for the elites at 147....why you hate him? What i don't like about him and his career so far is that they keep putting him on PPV undercards against overmatch opponents...

I don't care for him at this moment...let him have his 40-50 fights against the ethnic storm of cab drivers...but just don't put it on every damn ppv broadcast...

[ILLUMINATI]

After years of protection, just like Cotto who just had his first big fight at 26.

Same promoter, see? :popcorn:

Justin Juuko in his 9th fight
John Brown in his 11th
Cesar Bazan in his 13th
Ceballos in his 16th

Maussa
Sosa
N'dou
Pinto
Bailey
Corley
Abdullaev
Torres

back.to..back..to back..etc...

Cotto career started out a bit slow...but he wasn't fighting the stiffs Chavez jr is fighting...



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Chavez jr. SHOULD not be fighting tough opponents yet...he didn't have an amateur career...he can GO ahead and have 40-50 fight against these bums..I Don't have a problem with that..just have a problem with the promoters/networks showing his fight on PPV undercards...:doh: Chavez jr. should have his mismatches on off-tv fights...

[Hanzy]

Justin Juuko in his 9th fight
John Brown in his 11th
Cesar Bazan in his 13th
Ceballos in his 16th

Maussa
Sosa
N'dou
Pinto
Bailey
Corley
Abdullaev
Torres

back.to..back..to back..etc...

Cotto career started out a bit slow...but he wasn't fighting the stiffs Chavez jr is fighting...



AND

Chavez jr. SHOULD not be fighting tough opponents yet...he didn't have an amateur career...he can GO ahead and have 40-50 fight against these bums..I Don't have a problem with that..just have a problem with the promoters/networks showing his fight on PPV undercards...:doh: Chavez jr. should have his mismatches on off-tv fights...

If a fan didn't know better, he'd think Jr was a world class elite considering his amazing unblemished record and high KO percentage.:lol: "Wow, check out that awesome record, this dude is legit!"
Only in boxing.:rolleyes:

[Jake]

So is Laila Ali, fighting stiffs, making money while betraying boxing fans by not fighting real competition to test your ability.
At least she is not 20 pounds bigger than her opponents on fight night though except for the Martin fight:doh:
Last night was a good step up, though. Top Rank even admitted that it was overdue, and necessary. Arum said he'd like to have Chavez next face Baldomir in January, then Gomez in March or April. Not much, but certainly a step forward from where he's been, and honestly not that far behind most of today's prospects.

Everyone hails the Peterson brothers as the potential future of their respective divisions. I'm high on them myself. But who the fuck have either of them ever faced? And they both have deep ammy backgrounds. Is their competition any more respectable than that of Chavez?

And again I say, the audience Arum targets (pimps) doesn't feel cheated in the least. In fact, they can't get enough. Those who don't like it, aren't watching.

It's pretty simple.

[Rabid Kimba]

Come on Hex-One. Let the mexicans have their last little bit of hope in an up and coming athlete. They got nothing else left on the big stage.:lol: And nor does the sport in general. That's why it's easier for any young sh*t with an unblemished streak to gain a fanbase. Fans will just take whatever they can get at this stage.

Indians...ZERO boxers.

Why?

Because all Indian men are weakass homos and can't fight worth a fuck, that's why.

:popcorn:

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

It's called screwing boxing fansChavez Jr has a boatload of fans. He got a bigger reception then Morales or Diaz in August. The fans want to see him. And he is a very exciting fighter the crowds are really into his fights.

[Hanzy]

Indians...ZERO boxers.

Why?

Because all Indian men are weakass homos and can't fight worth a fuck, that's why.

:popcorn:

We got boxing in India, Rabid. Just that nobody took a boat to Vegas to try their luck.:dunno: :lol:
As for indian men being weakass homos, who's your hobbling little mexican ass to talk? :tease:

[Rabid Kimba]

We got boxing in India, Rabid. Just that nobody took a boat to Vegas to try their luck.:dunno: :lol:
As for indian men being weakass homos, who's your hobbling little mexican ass to talk? :tease:

Lol, I'm friggin' much, much bigger than you, Hanzy, both in girth, height, and brains.

6' 2", 275.

:lol:

[Hanzy]

Lol, I'm friggin' much, much bigger than you, Hanzy, both in girth, height, and brains.

6' 2", 275.

:lol:
Wow!!!! A BIG mexican. You must've sucked out the milk on both yo mommy's and daddy's tits to get that big, you big mexican you!!!! :clap: :lol:
What's your big pussy ass gonna do when I break your knees and slam you down in a front face lock and choke you out, big boy? :tease:

[Hanzy]

Come on Rabid, how long does it take to make a post? :lol:

[whiskey]

Lol, I'm friggin' much, much bigger than you, Hanzy, both in girth, height, and brains.

6' 2", 275.

:lol:

5' 2"

Don't front :nono:

[Hanzy]

5' 2"

Don't front :nono:

Rabid thinks being big means something. As if there aren't a whole load of 6'2 fat guys walking around the place. Oh we don't have no 6'2 indians, Rabid. You're just so legit now cause you're 6'2 and obese!:dunno: :lol: J/K

[Rabid Kimba]

Rabid thinks being big means something. As if there aren't a whole load of 6'2 fat guys walking around the place. Oh we don't have no 6'2 indians, Rabid. You're just so legit now cause you're 6'2 and obese!:dunno: :lol: J/K

Actually no, not many 6' 2" guys walking around, I hardly come across someone taller than me...the American national average is in the 5' 10" range.

...and yes, most beaners are a LOT shorter than me, lol.

:lol:

[Jake]

So is Laila Ali, fighting stiffs, making money while betraying boxing fans by not fighting real competition to test your ability.
At least she is not 20 pounds bigger than her opponents on fight night though except for the Martin fight:doh:
you know Mike, the more I think on this, I kinda have to throw you under the bus on this one.

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22014

and I quote:
Sanchez was a hell of a amatuer, he for some reason never seemed to really shine in the pros yet, he beat some very good fighters, including Juan Diaz twice in the am's, I think that there is a great chance that he wins saturday.

I am going to throw a few bucks on him.

Sanchez was just caught, simple as that. Ive seen him take better punches and possibly underestimated his opponent, no way he does that Saturday, Arum may have made a mistake by putting this in New Mexico.

Kassim Ouma and many other guys were KOed or beaten by fighters with crappy records early in their career but show a helluva better chin and much better skills later when they are more prepared.

Can't have it both ways. Either you're dead wrong about Chavez, or Sanchez was never what you previously sold.

[pug]

I never said that he would lose but I said that Sanchez wasnt as chinny as you said and I said that there is a great chance that he could win and it wouldnt hurt to throw some money on him, tell me where I said that he would win?
I had him winning at the time he was KOed so my word was kind of right, he did have a good chance at winning as it showed during the fight.
Jr had to be at least 20 pounds bigger or more than Sanchez still, I think Gomez pounces on him, hell, I would love to see him even fight Ben Tackie in his next fight.

If Chavez Jr actually knew more than just bumrushing smaller guys and he didnt get backed up by journeymen many times that he fought them or if he didnt eat right hands like they were candy then I would be on the bandwagon but after 35 pro fights, a few amatuer fights and having your dad as a legend he still hasnt learned and I will never be on his bandwagon.

The guy is talented in a sense but is he championship talented, NOPE!
Can you honestly tell me that you thought he won both of those fights with Molina?
He EASILY could be 33-1 0r 32-2 right now.

[Erratic]

I hope they put Cotto vs this over-hyped Mexican fighter. I want to see Cotto make him quit with BODY PUNCHES. I dont know who I hate more, PBF or Chavez Jr.:doh:

Maybe in a couple years Oscar can have his "farewell" fight against Chavez Jr and they'll market it with the "son avenging his father's defeat" angle, again.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Maybe in a couple years Oscar can have his "farewell" fight against Chavez Jr and they'll market it with the "son avenging his father's defeat" angle, again.This is a fight i was thinking about. This fight would be huge and a win for Chavez would make him a superstar. Possibly in posistion to take Oscars spot as the most marketable fighter in the sport.

[Hanzy]

This is a fight i was thinking about. This fight would be huge and a win for Chavez would make him a superstar. Possibly in posistion to take Oscars spot as the most marketable fighter in the sport.

But Chavez Jr is uglier than his old man and doesn't attract females like Oscar did and also wasn't an Olympic Gold medalist and countless division champion. No deal rj.:nono: Jr has A LOT of work to do to be looking this far ahead where he's going to take Oscar's spot in any avenue.

[Hanzy]

Maybe in a couple years Oscar can have his "farewell" fight against Chavez Jr and they'll market it with the "son avenging his father's defeat" angle, again.

Oscar winning DESTROYS the Chavez name.:clap:

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

But Chavez Jr is uglier than his old man and doesn't attract females like Oscar did and also wasn't an Olympic Gold medalist and countless division champion. No deal rj.:nono: Jr has A LOT of work to do to be looking this far ahead where he's going to take Oscar's spot in any avenue.Jr is much better looking then Sr man.

[pug]

Jr is much better looking then Sr man.Only if you are a catholic priest:lol:

[Hanzy]

Only if you are a catholic priest:lol:

:doh: :lol:

[Jake]

I never said that he would lose but I said that Sanchez wasnt as chinny as you said and I said that there is a great chance that he could win and it wouldnt hurt to throw some money on him, tell me where I said that he would win?
I had him winning at the time he was KOed so my word was kind of right, he did have a good chance at winning as it showed during the fight.
Jr had to be at least 20 pounds bigger or more than Sanchez still, I think Gomez pounces on him, hell, I would love to see him even fight Ben Tackie in his next fight.
but that's what I'm saying - you gave Sanchez a chance all along, yet here you are (or were) along with everyone else trashing Chavez after the fact.

I didn't see if they posted post-hydration weigh-in results. Not sure there was a 20 lb. difference between the two, just by looking at them. But if that's your beef... then I don't know. Maybe Sanchez should've never accepted assignment. His cornermen were bitching as early as an hour before the weigh-in that Jr. was "illegally" checking his weight, before Top Rank told them that Ray was free to do the same.

All I know is, people noted how scrawny Jr. looked at the weigh-in, while Ray in fact looked like the much bigger (read: thicker) fighter.

If Chavez Jr actually knew more than just bumrushing smaller guys and he didnt get backed up by journeymen many times that he fought them or if he didnt eat right hands like they were candy then I would be on the bandwagon but after 35 pro fights, a few amatuer fights and having your dad as a legend he still hasnt learned and I will never be on his bandwagon.

The guy is talented in a sense but is he championship talented, NOPE!
Can you honestly tell me that you thought he won both of those fights with Molina?
He EASILY could be 33-1 0r 32-2 right now.
I think he'll win an alphabet title or two before all is said and done. If that's what you meant by championship material, then I'd disagree. Champion in the sense that he'll be the absolute best of whatever weight class he;s at - probably not, nor have I ever suggested it, and neither has too many others. Top Ranks says it, sure - they're his promoter.

As for Molina, I thought the judges got it right on both occasions. Maybe the rematch maybe could've been a draw, but no way Molina won that fight. The first fight, maybe. But I thought a draw was just. And I thought Jr. won the rematch. You'd have to give Molina the absolute max benefit of the doubt to have him winning both fights, which is sounds like is exactly what you're doing.

I don't disagree with Sanchez being up after 5. But unfortunately for Ray, it was a 10 round fight.

[*Z*]

Let me get this straight. Chavez Jr was behind on the cards, losing to a club fighter and manages to get the KO and win the fight. Nobody sees anything wrong with the fact that he was losing the fight when he scored the KO? and a lot of you are saying he has a bright future based on this?

He will lose to Alfonso Gomez.

[Jake]

He was down on two of the three cards, yes.

And I will gladly accept any bets on the potential Chavez-Gomez fight next year.

[ElTerriblee]

It was pretty obvious Sanchez never had a chance, not because he lacked skills, but Chavez was so much bigger it was just a matter of time. Hey I guess that is what a promoter has to do, but Chavez will be in trouble against a skilled fighter, who is as big as he is.

[Mitchell Kane]

Steve Kim:

"With the latest Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. pay-per-view show doing much better than expected - around 70,000 buys - it's clear that Top Rank believes that they can go to the well often with this kid. Arum says that their next Chavez pay-per-view will take place on February 9th in Leon, Mexico. Jose Celaya has been mentioned as an opponent.

And because of this development, don't expect Arum to go through with a bout against Alfonso Gomez. Not only does he not have to haggle with HBO over license fees, but he can make consistent money with his 'Latin Fury' series while taking on fighters who don't pose the threat that Gomez would at this point."

[LATIN KING]

What I don't understand is how did Sanchez become a big win for Chavez jr.

I read on different websites and boards how this was Chavez jr's best win to date. One thing is that he struggled and another that it was a good win.

I had never heard of Sanchez so I don't consider this a step up.

I understand Chavez jr. didn't really have an amateur carreer. But it seems like he will reach 40 pro fights before steping up the competition.:dunno:

If they are reluctant with putting him with Gomez or Baldomir they must not have too much confidence with the kid.