Whale attacks Shark ...

[PetreTG]

:tease:

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[Trplsec]

How does this have anything to do with the government, conspiracies or Ron Paul?


WTF Petre? You can post general interest shit. How can I respond with a completely differing opinion when you post vanilla shit like this.

Damn you.

[Rainmaker]

How does this have anything to do with the government, conspiracies or Ron Paul?


WTF Petre? You can post general interest shit. How can I respond with a completely differing opinion when you post vanilla shit like this.

Damn you.
So you think this is a conspiracy? The whale didn't really attack the shark?:lol: This was all a setup?:lol:

[Rainmaker]

A killer whale is far too big, strong, fast and intelligent for the shark. Out of 100 encounters, a killer whale wins 99 times.

[Orthodox Crusader]

A killer whale is far too big, strong, fast and intelligent for the shark. Out of 100 encounters, a killer whale wins 99 times.


Sounds like Hatton-Mayweather, without Joe Cortez.

[TFK]

This one is much better....



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TFK

[CleanYourClock]

:tease:


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We did this thread already ...
Everyone knows that whale happend upon a dead shark and this paticular clip is severly edited ...

[PetreTG]

We did this thread already ...
Everyone knows that whale happend upon a dead shark and this paticular clip is severly edited ...
This thread was simply sarcasm for Octopus' Shark attacks Whale thread.

Having said that ... It's a well known fact that Killer Whales attack and kill sharks and dolphins among other animals for their food.

[CleanYourClock]

This thread was simply sarcasm for Octopus' Shark attacks Whale thread.

Having said that ... It's a well known fact that Killer Whales attack and kill sharks and dolphins among other animals for their food.

Well known fact yet there is no proof anywhere of a killer whale attacking and killing a shark , let alone a large shark. :doh:

[PetreTG]

Well known fact yet there is no proof anywhere of a killer whale attacking and killing a shark , let alone a large shark. :doh:
I'm curious ... what makes you think this video of the killer whale killing a great white is fake ?

[CleanYourClock]

I'm curious ... what makes you think this video of the killer whale killing a great white is fake ?

Cause I seen the REAL DOCUMENTERY where that footage came from.

First off , in the beggining where they show the seal and then the sahrk swimming , That is added in.
There is NO footage of any killer whale attacking and biting a shark.
If you notice , you CAN'T see it happening ...

Bro the real footage of that is simply a couple of minutes of a Killer whale feeding on a shark carcas ... Nothing more. Everything else , and the narration have all been added in ...

There ARE NO underwater seens or footage. Anything under water has been added in. The real footage consists only of above water filming.

[PetreTG]

Cause I seen the REAL DOCUMENTERY where that footage came from.

First off , in the beggining where they show the seal and then the sahrk swimming , That is added in.
There is NO footage of any killer whale attacking and biting a shark.
If you notice , you CAN'T see it happening ...

Bro the real footage of that is simply a couple of minutes of a Killer whale feeding on a shark carcas ... Nothing more. Everything else , and the narration have all been added in ...

There ARE NO underwater seens or footage. Anything under water has been added in. The real footage consists only of above water filming.

So then you're telling me the witnesses lied ?

Clash of the titans: Whale vs. Shark

http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9710/08/whale.vs.shark/whale.shark.jpg<!-- date --> October 8, 1997
Web posted at: 11:28 p.m. EDT (0328 GMT) <!-- /date --> SAN FRANCISCO (http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9710/08/whale.vs.shark/calif.lg.jpg) (CNN) -- Move over, Jaws. An underwater battle captured on videotape proves that killer whales are the kings of the sea.


The first known videotape of a clash between a killer whale and a great white shark has enthralled whale watchers all over the world.


"Nothing like this has been known to happen before," said Mary Jane Schramm, a naturalist who witnessed the attack Saturday off the Farallon Islands.


Marine biologists had assumed that the ocean's two big predators tended to avoid each other. But the tape shows otherwise.


The video was shot by wildlife enthusiasts on a cruise sponsored by the Oceanic Society. They were alerted by a radio transmission from a fisherman who had spotted two orcas in the area.


<table align="left" bgcolor="#cccccc" cellpadding="6" hspace="10" vspace="5" width="220"> <tbody><tr> <td align="center"> It's a whale of an attack!
http://www.cnn.com/images/9610/video.bug.gif 2M/15 sec. QuickTime movie (http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9710/08/whale.vs.shark/whale.shark.15.mov) </td></tr> </tbody></table> The expedition found the two killer whales -- a 20-foot-long female and a youngster about half her length -- were still there, swimming idly about.


"Then we noticed this dark shape moving in the water, giving the orcas a wide berth," Schramm said.
The adult orca veered toward the dark shape, and then surged to the surface with a 10-foot-long great white shark in her jaws. "We were stunned," Schramm said.

The killer whale eventually swam away from the boat and began thrashing the shark on the surface of the water, a practice orcas typically employ with their prey.


Around this time, Peter Pyle, a great white shark expert with the Point Reyes Bird Observatory, arrived on the scene. He got within 5 feet of the killer whales, then used a special underwater camera to record the attack.


Having made her kill, the victorious orca let her maternal instinct take over.
"The female apparently killed the shark, but she didn't eat it -- she was encouraging the calf to feed," Schramm said.


Schramm said the calf "especially liked the liver. You know how hard it can be to get kids to eat. Not him, though."


<!-- REMEMBER! This must go immediately following the story or brief, before any related stories or sites. --> <!--ap_contrib--> The Associated Press (http://www.cnn.com/interactive_legal.html#AP) contributed to this report.

[PetreTG]

BTW ... It's not speculation of any kind that Killer whales feed on sharks as part of their diet. It's fact. They know this same as they know what other species dine on ... by what they find in their stomachs.

[CleanYourClock]

So then you're telling me the witnesses lied ?

Clash of the titans: Whale vs. Shark

http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9710/08/whale.vs.shark/whale.shark.jpg<!-- date --> October 8, 1997
Web posted at: 11:28 p.m. EDT (0328 GMT) <!-- /date -->SAN FRANCISCO (http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9710/08/whale.vs.shark/calif.lg.jpg) (CNN) -- Move over, Jaws. An underwater battle captured on videotape proves that killer whales are the kings of the sea.


The first known videotape of a clash between a killer whale and a great white shark has enthralled whale watchers all over the world.


"Nothing like this has been known to happen before," said Mary Jane Schramm, a naturalist who witnessed the attack Saturday off the Farallon Islands.


Marine biologists had assumed that the ocean's two big predators tended to avoid each other. But the tape shows otherwise.


The video was shot by wildlife enthusiasts on a cruise sponsored by the Oceanic Society. They were alerted by a radio transmission from a fisherman who had spotted two orcas in the area.


<TABLE cellPadding=6 width=220 align=left bgColor=#cccccc vspace="5" hspace="10"><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle>It's a whale of an attack!
http://www.cnn.com/images/9610/video.bug.gif 2M/15 sec. QuickTime movie (http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9710/08/whale.vs.shark/whale.shark.15.mov)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The expedition found the two killer whales -- a 20-foot-long female and a youngster about half her length -- were still there, swimming idly about.


"Then we noticed this dark shape moving in the water, giving the orcas a wide berth," Schramm said.
The adult orca veered toward the dark shape, and then surged to the surface with a 10-foot-long great white shark in her jaws. "We were stunned," Schramm said.

The killer whale eventually swam away from the boat and began thrashing the shark on the surface of the water, a practice orcas typically employ with their prey.


Around this time, Peter Pyle, a great white shark expert with the Point Reyes Bird Observatory, arrived on the scene. He got within 5 feet of the killer whales, then used a special underwater camera to record the attack.


Having made her kill, the victorious orca let her maternal instinct take over.
"The female apparently killed the shark, but she didn't eat it -- she was encouraging the calf to feed," Schramm said.


Schramm said the calf "especially liked the liver. You know how hard it can be to get kids to eat. Not him, though."


<!-- REMEMBER! This must go immediately following the story or brief, before any related stories or sites. --><!--ap_contrib-->The Associated Press (http://www.cnn.com/interactive_legal.html#AP) contributed to this report.

Petre , I am reffering to the first clip you posted. I seen the real footage years ago when it was recorded. I seen the footage when the guys were actually recording the event .. It's the same footage except what you posted had a TON of crap added into the original clip.

Anyway , have you seen a killer whale up Close ? I have , a full grown one at that ... Let me tell you , there is no way a killer whale can get its mouth around a large great white shark ... Though the whales are a larger creature , their mouths simply are not designed that way .. They would never be able to get their mouth around the girth of a shark.

As far as this clip , I can't view it for some reason.

[CleanYourClock]

BTW ... It's not speculation of any kind that Killer whales feed on sharks as part of their diet. It's fact. They know this same as they know what other species dine on ... by what they find in their stomachs.

Thats a nice common sense thought Petre but , I have never heard of a killer whales stomach being cut open and out came a great white shark.

[PetreTG]

Petre , I am reffering to the first clip you posted. I seen the real footage years ago when it was recorded. I seen the footage when the guys were actually recording the event .. It's the same footage except what you posted had a TON of crap added into the original clip.

Anyway , have you seen a killer whale up Close ? I have , a full grown one at that ... Let me tell you , there is no way a killer whale can get its mouth around a large great white shark ... Though the whales are a larger creature , their mouths simply are not designed that way .. They would never be able to get their mouth around the girth of a shark.

As far as this clip , I can't view it for some reason.

The footage I showed IS the story and is the documentary you saw as well. :lol:

Also , I have seen ki ller whales up close to my friend. A Killer whale can easily take a bite out of a large shark. Killer whales have been founf with everything from sharks to walrus' to polar bears to other killer whales to moose in them.

Part of most herds of killer whales diets is shark. This isn't a guess it's fact.

I think you have JAWS on the brain here my friend. :lol:

[PetreTG]

Thats a nice common sense thought Petre but , I have never heard of a killer whales stomach being cut open and out came a great white shark.
I said SHARKS .... there are numerous species of sharks ... this video is a killer whale killing a great white . THAT is rare but not at all surprising when you factor in size , strength and most importantly intelligence.

Shark ... particularly white tips and hammerheads are known to be a regular part of the (EDIT MISTAKE) KILLER WHALE diet.

Further ... Dolphins , one of the smartest creatures in the ocean are regularly killed by killer whales and are out smarted by them in the process.

Finally , although catching this on film was rare ... I'll bet you it happens much more often than most think. They compete for some of the same foods ... in particular seals. I'll bet encounters/confrontations are much more frequent than most think.

[CleanYourClock]

I said SHARKS .... there are numerous species of sharks ... this video is a killer whale killing a great white . THAT is rare but not at all surprising when you factor in size , strength and most importantly intelligence.

Shark ... particularly white tips and hammerheads are known to be a regular part of the (EDIT MISTAKE) KILLER WHALE diet.

Further ... Dolphins , one of the smartest creatures in the ocean are regularly killed by killer whales and are out smarted by them in the process.

Finally , although catching this on film was rare ... I'll bet you it happens much more often than most think. They compete for some of the same foods ... in particular seals. I'll bet encounters/confrontations are much more frequent than most think.
No Petre , I don't have jaws on my mind ... I'm just smart enough to know that even though this whale is larger then a shark , its not going to fit its mouth around a 3000lb shark ... Not to mention that its teeth are not designed to take huge bites of flesh.

http://www.awi-bremerhaven.de/Eistour/wale-orca-k.jpg

Also , stop saying your video is of a killer whale killing a shark because , the video does not actually show that happening.

[PetreTG]

No Petre , I don't have jaws on my mind ... I'm just smart enough to know that even though this whale is larger then a shark , its not going to fit its mouth around a 3000lb shark ... Not to mention that its teeth are not designed to take huge bites of flesh.

http://www.awi-bremerhaven.de/Eistour/wale-orca-k.jpg

Also , stop saying your video is of a killer whale killing a shark because , the video does not actually show that happening.

Dude ... all your doing is talking nonsense . It's a fact not fiction.

:kick:

http://www.skullsunlimited.com/newsletter/nov2006/graphics/Jay-Killer-Whale-Skull-lg.jpg
Jaws of adult killer whale.

[CleanYourClock]

Dude ... all your doing is talking nonsense . It's a fact not fiction.

:kick:

http://www.skullsunlimited.com/newsletter/nov2006/graphics/Jay-Killer-Whale-Skull-lg.jpg
Jaws of adult killer whale.

Your showing me a skull ??:lol: Even still , those jaws can't fit around a grown great white.
Add on the flesh and you have this with most of the tooth length buried in the flesh of the gums.
http://www.awi-bremerhaven.de/Eistour/wale-orca-k.jpg

And again , your video still does not show a killer whale killing a shark . It simply just does not show it ...

[CleanYourClock]

http://www.skullsunlimited.com/newsletter/nov2006/graphics/Jay-Killer-Whale-Skull-lg.jpg
Jaws of adult killer whale.
http://homepage.mac.com/mollet/Cc/Cc_images/DSCN0294.jpg

[Rabid Kimba]

Petre , I am reffering to the first clip you posted. I seen the real footage years ago when it was recorded. I seen the footage when the guys were actually recording the event .. It's the same footage except what you posted had a TON of crap added into the original clip.

Anyway , have you seen a killer whale up Close ? I have , a full grown one at that ... Let me tell you , there is no way a killer whale can get its mouth around a large great white shark ... Though the whales are a larger creature , their mouths simply are not designed that way .. They would never be able to get their mouth around the girth of a shark.

As far as this clip , I can't view it for some reason.

Killer Whales can chop off large chunks outta big ass whales...sure the Orca does not have shredding teeth like a shark's...but its teeth is very similar to crocs. What it does is bite on flesh like a pitbull, and shake like a dog pulling on a towel, just like a croc's death roll (which both have conical teeth).

Another thing, an Orca can just ram against a shark's gills and suffocate the shit out of it.

Believe it or not, a shark, while a killing machine, is a very fragile animal, even a frighten seal have been know to injure sharks while fighting for their lives...an Orca is just a much more powerful animal, whith a major, major, advantage...INTELLIGENCE.

...and of course an Orca can't consume an entire whole shark, but it can certainly eat it in chunks.

Another thing...how many Orcas are really hunted, killed, and gutted nowadays? It would be very rare event indeed.

Orca punks a great white, live with it.

:popcorn:

[Rabid Kimba]

No Petre , I don't have jaws on my mind ... I'm just smart enough to know that even though this whale is larger then a shark , its not going to fit its mouth around a 3000lb shark ... Not to mention that its teeth are not designed to take huge bites of flesh.

http://www.awi-bremerhaven.de/Eistour/wale-orca-k.jpg

Also , stop saying your video is of a killer whale killing a shark because , the video does not actually show that happening.

Oh please, an Orca is three times as large as that...please.

If they can handle whales, they can certainly handle a small ass 3000 pound shark (small in comparison to the Orca).

:popcorn:

[Rabid Kimba]

I said SHARKS .... there are numerous species of sharks ... this video is a killer whale killing a great white . THAT is rare but not at all surprising when you factor in size , strength and most importantly intelligence.

Shark ... particularly white tips and hammerheads are known to be a regular part of the (EDIT MISTAKE) KILLER WHALE diet.

Further ... Dolphins , one of the smartest creatures in the ocean are regularly killed by killer whales and are out smarted by them in the process.

Finally , although catching this on film was rare ... I'll bet you it happens much more often than most think. They compete for some of the same foods ... in particular seals. I'll bet encounters/confrontations are much more frequent than most think.
:bears:

[Rabid Kimba]

I'm curious ... what makes you think this video of the killer whale killing a great white is fake ?

That video was documented, taped, and witnessed, by marine biologists studying great whites at the Farallon Islands in Northern California.

If CleanYourClock thinks it's fake and dismissing the marine biologists' accounts, then he's just being a blockhead, and is in denial.

:popcorn:

[Tyler Durden]

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That Orca did NOT get a live Great White like this :nono:

[Rabid Kimba]

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That Orca did NOT get a live Great White like this :nono:

Shit, any predator can hunt seals like that.

Can a great white do this?

http://www.gofish.com/player.gfp?gfid=30-1056253

FUCK NO.

:popcorn:

[Tyler Durden]

Shit, any predator can hunt seals like that.

Can a great white do this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNnx_X5ue2c

FUCK NO.

:popcorn:

Dolphins do that shit with fish, did you just say can great whites eat? :laughing:

No Orca is going to hunt and kill a Predator that is formidable, this is a simple law of nature :dunno: No Orca is going to come and attack a great white without knowing what it's in for with it's teeth.......a freaking dog wouldn't go after a cat :nono: Well, without either:
1. Learning a lesson to not do that again.
2. Or if desperate and starving, it would go after a sick or young one :dunno:

Simple logic, simple rules of nature :nono:

[PetreTG]

Oh please, an Orca is three times as large as that...please.

If they can handle whales, they can certainly handle a small ass 3000 pound shark (small in comparison to the Orca).

:popcorn:

I've decided to stop debating this with CYC as he's talking out his ass.

Killer whales reach over 31 feet and 13,000lbs . Great whites do not attain half that weight and most never go beyond 21 feet.

Like I said ... he has JAWS on the brain.

Little Dolphins take out sharks of all kinds with their intelligence by simply shocking them with torpedo like blows to the gills.

I'm beginning to think either is more intelligent than CYC. :doh:

[PetreTG]

That video was documented, taped, and witnessed, by marine biologists studying great whites at the Farallon Islands in Northern California.

If CleanYourClock thinks it's fake and dismissing the marine biologists' accounts, then he's just being a blockhead, and is in denial.

:popcorn:

Yeah I know ... I guess he knows better and could see the great white was dead before the Killer Whale attacked from New York. :lol:

That marine biologist , the fisherman in the area and her crew just thought the great white was aalive , but they were mistaken. :doh:

[CleanYourClock]

Killer Whales can chop off large chunks outta big ass whales...sure the Orca does not have shredding teeth like a shark's...but its teeth is very similar to crocs. What it does is bite on flesh like a pitbull, and shake like a dog pulling on a towel, just like a croc's death roll (which both have conical teeth).

Another thing, an Orca can just ram against a shark's gills and suffocate the shit out of it.

Believe it or not, a shark, while a killing machine, is a very fragile animal, even a frighten seal have been know to injure sharks while fighting for their lives...an Orca is just a much more powerful animal, whith a major, major, advantage...INTELLIGENCE.

...and of course an Orca can't consume an entire whole shark, but it can certainly eat it in chunks.

Another thing...how many Orcas are really hunted, killed, and gutted nowadays? It would be very rare event indeed.

Orca punks a great white, live with it.

:popcorn:

And you know all of this without a shred of evidence .. :lol:

[CleanYourClock]

That video was documented, taped, and witnessed, by marine biologists studying great whites at the Farallon Islands in Northern California.

If CleanYourClock thinks it's fake and dismissing the marine biologists' accounts, then he's just being a blockhead, and is in denial.

:popcorn:

Bro , I know its butchered and edited. Why ? Because unlike yourself , I seen the real footage before it was made into a youtube clip.
With that said , I can comment of the clip and you can not because you never seen the real footage.

[CleanYourClock]

I've decided to stop debating this with CYC as he's talking out his ass.

Killer whales reach over 31 feet and 13,000lbs . Great whites do not attain half that weight and most never go beyond 21 feet.

Like I said ... he has JAWS on the brain.

Little Dolphins take out sharks of all kinds with their intelligence by simply shocking them with torpedo like blows to the gills.

I'm beginning to think either is more intelligent than CYC. :doh:

Dolphins take out Sharks ? :doh: Yet they are constantly finding dolphins in the stomachs of sharks ... Gee , how do you explain that one ..

You can bring your size difference up all you want. Bottom line is that for their size , their mouth is no larger. Not to mention the design of their jaw and teeth are not made for the type of attacks you are describing.
Face the facts buddy.

[CleanYourClock]

Yeah I know ... I guess he knows better and could see the great white was dead before the Killer Whale attacked from New York. :lol:

That marine biologist , the fisherman in the area and her crew just thought the great white was aalive , but they were mistaken. :doh:

No dumb fuck , I just seen the real footage before it was butchered into a youtube clip.
Unlike yourself , I seen the real thing. Sorry that I know more about the clip you posted then you do.
If you did not see the real footage before it was made into a youtube clip , then you can't even comment.
Just accept it bro ... Actually , you don't even have a say or you can't even have an opinion on your clip since you never seen the real footage.

[Andrew]

Little Dolphins take out sharks of all kinds with their intelligence by simply shocking them with torpedo like blows to the gills.



Video? Ive heard this shit all the time but have never seen it happen.

[CleanYourClock]

Video? Ive heard this shit all the time but have never seen it happen.

You can find all kinds of shit though on how sharks eat dolphins.

[CleanYourClock]

Maybe if I post a video of every punch Ricky Hatton landed , Petre will think he won the fight against PBF ...

[PetreTG]

Killer Whale Facts
http://www.naturalhistorysantamaria.com/titansgrandopening2005/killerwhale.jpg
The killer whale is a toothed whale. Their only enemy is human beings. They live in small, close-knit, life-long pods and have 1 blowhole. The killer whale belongs to the family of dolphins and is the biggest dolphin. It is sometimes called the "wolf of the sea" because its behavior is similar to that of wolves. Killer Whales grow to be about 27-33 feet (8-10 m) long, weighing more than 8,000-12,000 pounds (3.600-5.400 kg). The male is larger than the female. They are the largest member of the dolphin family.


Killer Whales are efficient hunters that eat a very diverse diet of fish , squid , sharks , marine mammals (including whales and seals), turtles, octopi, and birds (penguins and gulls). They have even been known to attack young blue whales and other large whales. They have large, interlocking conical, enameled teeth distributed in both the upper and lower jaws (for a total of 20 to 26 pairs, so the orca has from 40 to 52 teeth). The teeth curve inwards and backwards - this helps the orca catch its prey. Teeth average about 3 inches long and about 1 inch in diameter, but some are even longer. Members of a pod frequently cooperate in hunts. An average-sized orca will eat 551 pounds of food a day. Killer Whales are very fast swimmers. They can swim up to 30 mph in order to catch prey.


Killer Whales vocalizations include clicks used in echolocation, whistles, and scream-like pulses. The sounds are used to communicate with other orcas, for mating purposes, and for locating prey. Different pods (long-lasting groups of Killer Whales) have distinctive "accents" and can recognize members by this accent.
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The Great White Shark
http://www.naturalhistorysantamaria.com/titansgrandopening2005/greatwhite.jpg
The great white shark is a streamlined swimmer and a ferocious predator with 3,000 teeth at any one time. This much-feared fish has a torpedo-shaped body, a pointed snout, a crescent-shaped tail, 5 gill slits, no fin spines, an anal fin, and 3 main fins: the dorsal fin (on its back) and 2 pectoral fins (on its sides). When the shark is near the surface, the dorsal fin and part of the tail are visible above the water. Great whites average 12-16 feet long long. The biggest great white shark on record was 23 feet long, weighing about 7,000 pounds. (Average weight is 3000-5000 lbs) Females are larger than males, as with most sharks. Shark pups can be over 5 feet long at birth.


Young great white sharks eat fish, rays, and other sharks. Adults eat larger prey, including pinnipeds (sea lions and seals), small toothed whales (like belugas), otters, and sea turtles. They also eat carrion (dead animals that they have found floating dead in the water). Great whites do not chew their food. Their teeth rip prey into mouth-sized pieces which are swallowed whole. A big meal can satisfy a great white for up to 2 months.

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As can be seen in this description of the two from the Natural History Museum ... Killer Whales are ON AVERAGE ... MUCH bigger than a great white. The shear size disadvantage alone puts the Great White on the losing side of this equation. Add the strength , speed and agility of a Killer along with it's equally large mouth and there is no competition.



I would be willing to bet , most confrontations result in a Killer Whale purposefully and intelligently stalking / charging towards a great white , and the great white instictively retreating if not incapacitated by the first blow.


Though small here is an average size comparison ...
http://www.naturalhistorysantamaria.com/titansgrandopening2005/DSCF0066.jpg

[CleanYourClock]

Killer Whale Facts
http://www.naturalhistorysantamaria.com/titansgrandopening2005/killerwhale.jpg
The killer whale is a toothed whale. Their only enemy is human beings. They live in small, close-knit, life-long pods and have 1 blowhole. The killer whale belongs to the family of dolphins and is the biggest dolphin. It is sometimes called the "wolf of the sea" because its behavior is similar to that of wolves. Killer Whales grow to be about 27-33 feet (8-10 m) long, weighing more than 8,000-12,000 pounds (3.600-5.400 kg). The male is larger than the female. They are the largest member of the dolphin family.


Killer Whales are efficient hunters that eat a very diverse diet of fish , squid , sharks , marine mammals (including whales and seals), turtles, octopi, and birds (penguins and gulls). They have even been known to attack young blue whales and other large whales. They have large, interlocking conical, enameled teeth distributed in both the upper and lower jaws (for a total of 20 to 26 pairs, so the orca has from 40 to 52 teeth). The teeth curve inwards and backwards - this helps the orca catch its prey. Teeth average about 3 inches long and about 1 inch in diameter, but some are even longer. Members of a pod frequently cooperate in hunts. An average-sized orca will eat 551 pounds of food a day. Killer Whales are very fast swimmers. They can swim up to 30 mph in order to catch prey.


Killer Whales vocalizations include clicks used in echolocation, whistles, and scream-like pulses. The sounds are used to communicate with other orcas, for mating purposes, and for locating prey. Different pods (long-lasting groups of Killer Whales) have distinctive "accents" and can recognize members by this accent.
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The Great White Shark
http://www.naturalhistorysantamaria.com/titansgrandopening2005/greatwhite.jpg
The great white shark is a streamlined swimmer and a ferocious predator with 3,000 teeth at any one time. This much-feared fish has a torpedo-shaped body, a pointed snout, a crescent-shaped tail, 5 gill slits, no fin spines, an anal fin, and 3 main fins: the dorsal fin (on its back) and 2 pectoral fins (on its sides). When the shark is near the surface, the dorsal fin and part of the tail are visible above the water. Great whites average 12-16 feet long long. The biggest great white shark on record was 23 feet long, weighing about 7,000 pounds. (Average weight is 3000-5000 lbs) Females are larger than males, as with most sharks. Shark pups can be over 5 feet long at birth.


Young great white sharks eat fish, rays, and other sharks. Adults eat larger prey, including pinnipeds (sea lions and seals), small toothed whales (like belugas), otters, and sea turtles. They also eat carrion (dead animals that they have found floating dead in the water). Great whites do not chew their food. Their teeth rip prey into mouth-sized pieces which are swallowed whole. A big meal can satisfy a great white for up to 2 months.

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As can be seen in this description of the two from the Natural History Museum ... Killer Whales are ON AVERAGE ... MUCH bigger than a great white. The shear size disadvantage alone puts the Great White on the losing side of this equation. Add the strength , speed and agility of a Killer along with it's equally large mouth and there is no competition.



I would be willing to bet , most confrontations result in a Killer Whale purposefully and intelligently stalking / charging towards a great white , and the great white instictively retreating if not incapacitated by the first blow.


Though small here is an average size comparison ...
http://www.naturalhistorysantamaria.com/titansgrandopening2005/DSCF0066.jpg

Waste of space , we know all this already ...

[PetreTG]

Bro , I know its butchered and edited. Why ? Because unlike yourself , I seen the real footage before it was made into a youtube clip.
With that said , I can comment of the clip and you can not because you never seen the real footage.

You're grasping at straws CYC ... I posted the words of the Marine Biologist that SAW the encounter. And the clip is the portion of the documentary un edited. :kick:

[CleanYourClock]

You're grasping at straws CYC ... I posted the words of the Marine Biologist that SAW the encounter. And the clip is the portion of the documentary un edited. :kick:

Petre , I seen the real footage before it was edited and had shit added to make it a youtube clip.

YOU DID NOT.

END OF STORY. YOUR CLIP IS COMPLETELY BOGUS !!!

Even being bogus , it still doesn't show a whale killing a shark.
Also that article is not from the marine biologist. There is a quote where they say "apparently the whale killed the shark"
Thats what they thought when they happend upon the whale swimming around the dead shark carcus.

[PetreTG]

Dolphins take out Sharks ? :doh: Yet they are constantly finding dolphins in the stomachs of sharks ... Gee , how do you explain that one ..

You can bring your size difference up all you want. Bottom line is that for their size , their mouth is no larger. Not to mention the design of their jaw and teeth are not made for the type of attacks you are describing.
Face the facts buddy.

Yeah here's a fact for you ... 100's of eyewitness encounters of people saved by dolphins during a shark attack.

And here's another one ... Sharks eat dead things .... almost any dead thing , including dolphins. That hardly means they killed them.

You are really being a moron in this thread CYC ... I hate to tell ya. :doh:

Sharks are stupid creatures that run on predatory instinct .... Killer Whales and Dolphins are highly intelligent thinking creatures that organize , communicate and hunt in packs.

They don't hunt people because they recognize intelligence. But in your case they might make an exception. :kick:

[PetreTG]

Petre , I seen the real footage before it was edited and had shit added to make it a youtube clip.

YOU DID NOT.

END OF STORY. YOUR CLIP IS COMPLETELY BOGUS !!!

Even being bogus , it still doesn't show a whale killing a shark.
We need a big bullshit flag around here ... :shit:

[PetreTG]

I'd love to debate this "conversation" and retort some more of your stupid and highly uneducated comments .... but I have to get ready for an appointment.

[CleanYourClock]

We need a big bullshit flad around here ... :shit:

The only thing bullshit around here is your clip.

You are attempting to spread false edited news and pass it off as fact.
Bro , seriously , the clip you posted is SEVERLY edited and has a bunch of crap added in ...

[Hut*Hut]

Like I've said before....

A Great White is like Tyson - explosive, exciting, dangerous, mean looking, entertaining and down right cool.

An Orca is more like Lewis - sure it's bigger, smarter, more skillful and beats a great white 9/10, but at the end of the day it's so fucking lumbering, tame and BORING that nobody really gives a rats ass.

[PetreTG]

The only thing bullshit around here is your clip.

You are attempting to spread false edited news and pass it off as fact.
Bro , seriously , the clip you posted is SEVERLY edited and has a bunch of crap added in ...

So CYC .... is this how "everyone knew" the last thread ? And by everyone I mean basically you in your own mind. :lol:

I posted the article with the actual witnesses statements on the event.

The fact that they got a camera there and in the water after the kill means nothing when it comes to whether or not the actual kill of a great white by a killer whale happened.

You lose ... you just don't know it because you're trapped in the delusion of your own mind.

BTW ... simple question ... let's see if you've learned anything.

DO KILLER WHALES EAT SHARKS ?

:lol:

[CleanYourClock]

So CYC .... is this how "everyone knew" the last thread ? And by everyone I mean basically you in your own mind. :lol:

I posted the article with the actual witnesses statements on the event.

The fact that they got a camera there and in the water after the kill means nothing when it comes to whether or not the actual kill of a great white by a killer whale happened.

You lose ... you just don't know it because you're trapped in the delusion of your own mind.

BTW ... simple question ... let's see if you've learned anything.

DO KILLER WHALES EAT SHARKS ?

:lol:

Besides the fact that I seen the REAL FOOTAGE that shows the camera men happening upon a KW eating a shark carcas , bottom fucking line is that even in your edited clip that you posted, IT STILL DOES NOT SHOW A KILLER WHALE KILLING A GREAT WHITE ... :lol:

Even if I ALLOWED you to win the debate about the clip , its still shows nothing and offers no proof of anything.

[Rabid Kimba]

Dolphins do that shit with fish, did you just say can great whites eat? :laughing:

No Orca is going to hunt and kill a Predator that is formidable, this is a simple law of nature :dunno: No Orca is going to come and attack a great white without knowing what it's in for with it's teeth.......a freaking dog wouldn't go after a cat :nono: Well, without either:
1. Learning a lesson to not do that again.
2. Or if desperate and starving, it would go after a sick or young one :dunno:

Simple logic, simple rules of nature :nono:

Great whites stay outta Orca's paths, that's a FACT.

:popcorn:

[Rabid Kimba]

I've decided to stop debating this with CYC as he's talking out his ass.

Killer whales reach over 31 feet and 13,000lbs . Great whites do not attain half that weight and most never go beyond 21 feet.

Like I said ... he has JAWS on the brain.

Little Dolphins take out sharks of all kinds with their intelligence by simply shocking them with torpedo like blows to the gills.

I'm beginning to think either is more intelligent than CYC. :doh:

:lol:

[Rabid Kimba]

Like I've said before....

A Great White is like Tyson - explosive, exciting, dangerous, mean looking, entertaining and down right cool.

An Orca is so fucking lumbering

The most retarded post of this thread.

Orca lumbering?

Shiiiiiiiiit, the only shark faster than an Orca is the small ass Mako shark.

:popcorn:

[Rabid Kimba]

...and for all you great white loving cocksuckers, here's your chance for you to supposedly win this argument once and for all.

Show me footage of a great white killing an orca.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

:popcorn:

[Tyler Durden]

Great whites stay outta Orca's paths, that's a FACT.

:popcorn:

When whale carcas shows up from a Great White feeding frenzy, no Orcas are in site or have bite marks :cool:

[Tyler Durden]

...and for all you great white loving cocksuckers, here's your chance for you to supposedly win this argument once and for all.

Show me footage of a great white killing an orca.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

:popcorn:

I looked in my library of the survelance footage from sea in the past 100 years of every movement form a living creature from beginning to end, but I couldn't find it :dunno: I think someone must have deleted the massive amounts of Orca eating large Great whites thrashing about too :nono: Did you sabatoge my computer?

[PetreTG]

Besides the fact that I seen the REAL FOOTAGE that shows the camera men happening upon a KW eating a shark carcas , bottom fucking line is that even in your edited clip that you posted, IT STILL DOES NOT SHOW A KILLER WHALE KILLING A GREAT WHITE ... :lol:

Even if I ALLOWED you to win the debate about the clip , its still shows nothing and offers no proof of anything.

And yet the highly intelligent Killer Whale has NEVER been known EVER to scavenge and eat dead things , but rather always , what they have freshly killed.

Not only are you an idiot ... but I believe you're a big fibber. :nono:

[CleanYourClock]

And yet the highly intelligent Killer Whale has NEVER been known EVER to scavenge and eat dead things , but rather always , what they have freshly killed.

Not only are you an idiot ... but I believe you're a big fibber. :nono:

Bull fucking shit !! You better watch more discovery channel before you talk out your ass ..
Speaking of discovery channel , if you actually watched it more often , you would have seen the original footage of the video you posted and would know yourself how bogus and edited that video really is ...
Not to mention , it still does not show an Orca killing a great white simply because even though its edited , they couldn't edit that part because simply NO footage of that actually occuring even exists ..

[PetreTG]

Bull fucking shit !! You better watch more discovery channel before you talk out your ass ..
Speaking of discovery channel , if you actually watched it more often , you would have seen the original footage of the video you posted and would know yourself how bogus and edited that video really is ...
Not to mention , it still does not show an Orca killing a great white simply because even though its edited , they couldn't edit that part because simply NO footage of that actually occuring even exists ..
Yeah you're right ... I should watch my favorite HD channel more often along with my other favorites , Animal Planet and The Learning Channel. :lol:

So ... are you now claiming that Killer Whales are scavengers ?

To my limited , need to watch Discovery Channel more memory , the only thing even close to scavenging Killer Whales have ever been accussed of is Whales that were freshly killed by whalers.

But hey ... what do I know?

[CleanYourClock]

Yeah you're right ... I should watch my favorite HD channel more often along with my other favorites , Animal Planet and The Learning Channel. :lol:

So ... are you now claiming that Killer Whales are scavengers ?

To my limited , need to watch Discovery Channel more memory , the only thing even close to scavenging Killer Whales have ever been accussed of is Whales that were freshly killed by whalers.

But hey ... what do I know?

Hey Petre , show me either a series of still pictures or a video of an Orca killing a Great White.
If you can't produce , then lets just drop it ..

[Rabid Kimba]

Hey Petre , show me either a series of still pictures or a video of an Orca killing a Great White.
If you can't produce , then lets just drop it ..

So where's the great white killing an orca video?

:popcorn:

[CleanYourClock]

So where's the great white killing an orca video?

:popcorn:

Why would you ask me for one ??

When was I ever running around telling everyone that Great Whites kill Orcas ??

[PetreTG]

Hey Petre , show me either a series of still pictures or a video of an Orca killing a Great White.
If you can't produce , then lets just drop it ..
(http://www.toilette-humor.com/dmv/momma_is_santa.wmv)

When eyewitness account by accredited sources along with a video of the aftermath isn't good enough for you ... why would I bother. In your mind they must have made it up. After all ... you watch the Discovery Channel! :clap: They were just ..... THERE.

Hell ... you think Killer whales are scavengers ... I'm not even sure why I'm wasting time to respond to you anymore.

[PetreTG]

THE INTELLIGENCE OF KILLER WHALES
in the wild
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[CleanYourClock]

(http://www.toilette-humor.com/dmv/momma_is_santa.wmv)

When eyewitness account by accredited sources along with a video of the aftermath isn't good enough for you ... why would I bother. In your mind they must have made it up. After all ... you watch the Discovery Channel! :clap: They were just ..... THERE.

Hell ... you think Killer whales are scavengers ... I'm not even sure why I'm wasting time to respond to you anymore.

OMFG :laughing:
Keep reaching Petre ... First off , THERE IS NO FUCKING EYE WITNESSES !
Understand that right now. The eyewitnesses did NOT show up during some sort of fight. They showed up AFTER only to see the whale swimming around a dead shark carcus ...
Bro , stop attempting to bend the facts to suit your personal point of view.
I seen the original footage and HEARD THE VOICES of the original eyewitnesses ... Stop posting these bullshit edited clips and attempting to pass them off as facts. Even still your clip STILL DOES NOT SHOW ANYTHING.

Now I'll say it again. Either post a series of still pictures or a video of a killer whale killing a great white shark or just drop the subject.

[PetreTG]

OMFG :laughing:
Keep reaching Petre ... First off , THERE IS NO FUCKING EYE WITNESSES !
Understand that right now. The eyewitnesses did NOT show up during some sort of fight. They showed up AFTER only to see the whale swimming around a dead shark carcus ...
Bro , stop attempting to bend the facts to suit your personal point of view.
I seen the original footage and HEARD THE VOICES of the original eyewitnesses ... Stop posting these bullshit edited clips and attempting to pass them off as facts. Even still your clip STILL DOES NOT SHOW ANYTHING.

Now I'll say it again. Either post a series of still pictures or a video of a killer whale killing a great white shark or just drop the subject.
I guess you have a hard time reading and comprehending.

"Nothing like this has been known to happen before," said Mary Jane Schramm, a naturalist who witnessed the attack Saturday off the Farallon Islands.

... we noticed this dark shape moving in the water, giving the orcas a wide berth," Schramm said.

The adult orca veered toward the dark shape, and then surged to the surface with a 10-foot-long great white shark in her jaws. "We were stunned," Schramm said.

Sounds to me like the shark was pretty fucking alive .... but hey .... you watch Discovery. What do the people that were there and witnessed it know , compared to that ? :doh:

[CleanYourClock]

I guess you have a hard time reading and comprehending.

"Nothing like this has been known to happen before," said Mary Jane Schramm, a naturalist who witnessed the attack Saturday off the Farallon Islands.

... we noticed this dark shape moving in the water, giving the orcas a wide berth," Schramm said.

The adult orca veered toward the dark shape, and then surged to the surface with a 10-foot-long great white shark in her jaws. "We were stunned," Schramm said.

Sounds to me like the shark was pretty fucking alive .... but hey .... you watch Discovery. What do the people that were there and witnessed it know , compared to that ? :doh:


LISTEN PETRE , THAT FUCKIN CLIP IS EDITED !!!

LET ME TELL YOU , I WIL GO OVER THAT CLIP AND TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT PARTS WERE ADDED.

NOW , IF YOU KEEP FUCKIN PUSHING MY BUTTONS , I WILL FIND THE VIDEOS WHERE THE ADDED PORTIONS WERE TAKEN FROM.
IF I DO THAT , YOU WILL LOOK LIKE A COMPLETE FUCKIN IDIOT SO IF I WERE YOU , I WOULDN'T PRESS THE ISSUE !

[PetreTG]

LISTEN PETRE , THAT FUCKIN CLIP IS EDITED !!!

LET ME TELL YOU , I WIL GO OVER THAT CLIP AND TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT PARTS WERE ADDED.

NOW , IF YOU KEEP FUCKIN PUSHING MY BUTTONS , I WILL FIND THE VIDEOS WHERE THE ADDED PORTIONS WERE TAKEN FROM.
IF I DO THAT , YOU WILL LOOK LIKE A COMPLETE FUCKIN IDIOT SO IF I WERE YOU , I WOULDN'T PRESS THE ISSUE !

Didn't think you'd dispute the evidence.

Here's a newsflash for you .... every single piece of video you have ever seen in a documentary was edited .... :eek:

:kick:

[CleanYourClock]

Didn't think you'd dispute the evidence.

Here's a newsflash for you .... every single piece of video you have ever seen in a documentary was edited .... :eek:

:kick:

No Petre , YOU ARE INCORRECT ...
They showed from start to finish as they arrived on the sceen from a long distance back , kept filming until they got close , filmed what they seen along with what they were saying during this situation.
The only edit in the documentry was when after the fact and the incident was already shown , they cut and continued on with the documentry.
SO YOU ARE WRONG !

Dispute evidence ?? :doh: :laughing: You haven't shown any evidence as of yet !

[PetreTG]

No Petre , YOU ARE INCORRECT ...
They showed from start to finish as they arrived on the sceen from a long distance back , kept filming until they got close , filmed what they seen along with what they were saying during this situation.
The only edit in the documentry was when after the fact and the incident was already shown , they cut and continued on with the documentry.
SO YOU ARE WRONG !

Dispute evidence ?? :doh: :laughing: You haven't shown any evidence as of yet !

I'm curious CYC ... what part of this did you not understand ?
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The killer whale eventually swam away from the boat and began thrashing the shark on the surface of the water, a practice orcas typically employ with their prey.

Around this time, Peter Pyle, a great white shark expert with the Point Reyes Bird Observatory, arrived on the scene. He got within 5 feet of the killer whales, then used a special underwater camera to record the attack

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As I said before ... the filming began LONG after the actual attack began.

Man you are a goofball. :lol:

[CleanYourClock]

I'm curious CYC ... what part of this did you not understand ?
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The killer whale eventually swam away from the boat and began thrashing the shark on the surface of the water, a practice orcas typically employ with their prey.

Around this time, Peter Pyle, a great white shark expert with the Point Reyes Bird Observatory, arrived on the scene. He got within 5 feet of the killer whales, then used a special underwater camera to record the attack

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As I said before ... the filming began LONG after the actual attack began.

Man you are a goofball. :lol:


I'm curious Petre , where did you get that quote from ??

Break down of your video in seconds ...

Seconds 1 - 14 , added in.
Second 15 , Real
Seconds 16 to 17 , added in
Second 18 , real
Seconds 19 - 20 , added in
Seconds 21 - 22 , real
Seconds 23 - 25 , added in
Seconds 26 - 27 , real
Seconds 28 - 110 , added in

I may be a second off in some places but , you get the idea.

So you have 7 seconds of real footage in that video ... :lol:
Bro , you can even clearly see the difference in the camera and recording quaility between these seconds ... It's obvious what was added into the clip. The next thing you will tell me is that strange noise at the start of the clip was an electrical discharge or something .. :lol:

[PetreTG]

I'm curious Petre , where did you get that quote from ??



CNN - http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9710/08/whale.vs.shark/

[CleanYourClock]

CNN - http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9710/08/whale.vs.shark/

Bro , I just seen the ACTUAL FOOTAGE AGAIN ... I just dowloaded it to my PC !!!!

NO FUCKIN WAY IS HER QUOTE VALID !! THEY WERE SO FAR AWAY , THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY SHE COULD HAVE SEEN ANY KIND OF UNDERWATER ATTACK BY ANYTHING !!

Did you see the video that comes with this CNN article ?????
Now YOU KNOW HOW BADLY YOUR INITIAL VIDEO IS EDITED AND HOW MUCH CRAP IS ADDED IN ...

I challenge anyone here to download the clip that comes with the CNN article and dispute the fact the she could not see shit from where she was !!! She was about 25 yards away ... They could barely see what was going on at the surface and its a complete IMPOSSIBILITY that they could see under water from there !!

Petre fuckin owned by his own article !!
Petre you just proved two things , one your initial video is a fuckin fraud , and two , there is no way they could see an under water attack !!! :lol: :lol:

Please someone do a "right click" , "save target as" , and then watch this ...

[PetreTG]

Please .... feel free to share your video .

As for what you can or cannot see on water .... as someone that is "on water" frequently .... you're full of shit.

25 yards is less than the distance between my slip and the ones on the next dock. The waters are no where near as clear as that of oceanic waters. You can easily see large samon and other fish swimming under and around the docks and boats that are 2-3 feet long . To imply that someone could not see a 2 ton 10ft shark cruising at the surface of the water from 25 yards away is ridiculous. And to say that you could not see a 20+ foot Killer whale go after it is equally ridiculous.

Half your problem is you have no real experience on water , so you go by film alone which unfortunately , unless shot just right , shows too much reflection of water surface without the use of proper lenses or perfect lighting.

The fact that they say that the Killer also brought it to the surface and in fact thrashed it like it does most all it's prey .... I'm sure your not telling me that the shark was unidentifiable from that distance.

Finally , I never said the short underwater clip showed the attack on a live shark .... as stated many times .... the underwater camera arrived long after the confrontation began.

So .... here's a question for you CYC .... Do killer whales kill and eat live sharks?

[CleanYourClock]

Please .... feel free to share your video .

As for what you can or cannot see on water .... as someone that is "on water" frequently .... you're full of shit.

25 yards is less than the distance between my slip and the ones on the next dock. The waters are no where near as clear as that of oceanic waters. You can easily see large samon and other fish swimming under and around the docks and boats that are 2-3 feet long . To imply that someone could not see a 2 ton 10ft shark cruising at the surface of the water from 25 yards away is ridiculous. And to say that you could not see a 20+ foot Killer whale go after it is equally ridiculous.

Half your problem is you have no real experience on water , so you go by film alone which unfortunately , unless shot just right , shows too much reflection of water surface without the use of proper lenses or perfect lighting.

The fact that they say that the Killer also brought it to the surface and in fact thrashed it like it does most all it's prey .... I'm sure your not telling me that the shark was unidentifiable from that distance.

Finally , I never said the short underwater clip showed the attack on a live shark .... as stated many times .... the underwater camera arrived long after the confrontation began.

So .... here's a question for you CYC .... Do killer whales kill and eat live sharks?

BULLSHIT ...
It's not my video buddy , its yours and you hung yoursef with your own fuckin link !!!

Like I said , I challenge anyone to right click on the video that is in the CNN link and save the target to their PC and then have a look at it.
I doubt you will find even one person that will debate the fact that they could not see what was going on ...
They were very far away !!!

Did you watch the video Petre ??? Are you attempting to dispute the fact that its impossible for them to have seen anything underwater ??? Are you disputing that your initial video isn't a fuckin fraud ???

Here is the link http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9710/08/whale.vs.shark/
The vdeo is inside but in order to see it , you must save it to your PC.
Someone please save this and look at it ...

[PetreTG]

BULLSHIT ...
It's not my video buddy , its yours and you hung yoursef with your own fuckin link !!!

Like I said , I challenge anyone to right click on the video that is in the CNN link and save the target to their PC and then have a look at it.
I doubt you will find even one person that will debate the fact that they could not see what was going on ...
They were very far away !!!

Did you watch the video Petre ??? Are you attempting to dispute the fact that its impossible for them to have seen anything ??? Are you disputing that your initial video isn't a fuckin fraud ???

Here is the link http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9710/08/whale.vs.shark/
The vdeo is inside but in order to see it , you must save it to your PC.
Someone please save this and look at it ...

Dude ... you have one seriously convoluted mind ... you need to go back and look at each post between us.

And once again ... you avoid the real issue. Do killers eat sharks ? And you cannot in any way dispute whether or not that particular killer whale killed that shark.

I see now very clearly how you think you win any arguements ... Delusion. Then again ... this is nothing new with you.

Hey ... did you know killer whales also kill and eat humpback whales ... when their done with them , great whites swoop in and eat what's left of the dead carcass. :lol:

[CleanYourClock]

Dude ... you have one seriously convoluted mind ... you need to go back and look at each post between us.

And once again ... you avoid the real issue. Do killers eat sharks ? And you cannot in any way dispute whether or not that particular killer whale killed that shark.

I see now very clearly how you think you win any arguements ... Delusion. Then again ... this is nothing new with you.

Hey ... did you know killer whales also kill and eat humpback whales ... when their done with them , great whites swoop in and eat what's left of the dead carcass. :lol:

:doh: :lol: Nice twisting Petre .... You keep asking me do Killer whales eat sharks ... Well , maybe they do eat some sharks ... You know damm well what we are talking about here. You are saying that killer whales hunt , kill and eat full grown Great white sharks ... Yet , you have no evidence of this.

Again , did you see the video inside of the CNN clip.
Are you disputing the fact that they were so far away that it would be impossible to see any kind of under water attack ?
Also are you disputing the fact that your initial video was not edited with crap added in and a complete fraud ?

Now stop dancing and answer the questions ..

[CleanYourClock]

Rabid Kimba , I know you are not on my side on this topic.
With that said , you have a look at the video and you tell me if you think they were close enough to see an attack that happend however many feet under the water as described in Petre's quote.

Also after seeing the original video , can you please comment regarding the editing of Petre's initial video he posted.

Thanks ..

[PetreTG]

:doh: :lol: Nice twisting Petre .... You keep asking me do Killer whales eat sharks ... Well , maybe they do eat some sharks ... You know damm well what we are talking about here. You are saying that killer whales hunt , kill and eat full grown Great white sharks ... Yet , you have no evidence of this.

Again , did you see the video inside of the CNN clip.
Are you disputing the fact that they were so far away that it would be impossible to see any kind of under water attack ?
Also are you disputing the fact that your initial video was not edited with crap added in and a complete fraud ?

Now stop dancing and answer the questions ..
There you go ... twisting what I said completely. :clap:

I actually never made that statement ... but as I said ... your mind is so convoluted that's all you've had on the brain. Even when I repeatedly baited the question purposely leaving out "GREAT WHITE" .... having said that ... there is little doubt to all but you that a Killer Whale, killed this particular great white. The only one that can't seem to admit that is you.

You even laughingly go so far as to say the eyewitnesses couldn't tell a dead shark from a live one ... even though they described it's movements.

Finally .... if we are simply argueing a "what if" scenario ... there is little doubt a full grown Killer Whale could take on a Great white and win ... I'd bet with ease.

Great whites are cautious preditors that are easily frightened away. They would rather eat something dead , which is in their nature , than kill something . Not that they don't kill plenty. But they will release and run very easily. Seals have escaped great whites by clawing them .

Killer whales play hackysac with seals.

Great whites bite and then wait for them to bleed to death.

Killer whales bite , hold onto them and with their tremendous strength pound them to peices.

When it comes to strength , speed, size, agility, intelligence and let's not forget they're amazing sonar location ability for precision strikes .... killer whales win every time.

A killer whale vs a great white 9 out of 10 times is the equivolent of bringing a gun to a knife fight.

And a regular part of many killer whales diets is in fact sharks . And they don't scavenge them.

:kick:

Oh .... and did you know Killer Whales kill HUMP BACK Whales ?

You do know that's how they got their name ... right? Because they're whale killers ?

Of course you did ... you watch Discovery!!!

[CleanYourClock]

There you go ... twisting what I said completely. :clap:

I actually never made that statement ... but as I said ... your mind is so convoluted that's all you've had on the brain. Even when I repeatedly baited the question purposely leaving out "GREAT WHITE" ....
OH , SO NOW YOU ARE TWISTING AGAIN ? :lol: You know , sharks come in all shapes in sizes. Many things can eat certain types of sharks. Nice try though .. You know what we were talking about since you defended your initial fraud clip.

having said that ... there is little doubt to all but you that a Killer killed this particular great white. The only one that can't seem to admit that is you.
Bullshit , since you were kind enough to hang yourselg and post the original footage , you know damm well that they were so far away that they could not see what was going on.

You even laughingly go so far as to say the eyewitnesses couldn't tell a dead shark from a live one ... even though they described it's movements.
Movements :lol: The footage starts like half of a football field away in choppy water .. Anyone with half a brain knows you can't see an underwater attack from that far away .. Not to mention , the shark was already dead.
ARE YOU DISPUTING THIS ? ARE YOU TELLING ME IN THAT CLIP , THEY COULD SEE AN UNDERWATER ATTACK ???

Finally .... if we are simply argueing a "what if" scenario ... there is little doubt a full grown Killer Whale could take on a Great white and win ... I'd bet with ease.
And you know this cause you are the mighty Petre .. :laughing:

Great whites are cautious preditors that are easily frightened away. They would rather eat something dead , which is in their nature , than kill something . Not that they don't kill plenty. But they will release and run very easily. Seals have escaped great whites by clawing them .

Killer whales play hackysac with seals.

Great whites bite and then wait for them to bleed to death.

Killer whales bite , hold onto them and with their tremendous strength pound them to peices.

When it comes to strength , speed, size, agility, intelligence and let's not forget they're amazing sonar ability .... killer whales win every time.

A killer whale vs a great white 9 out of 10 times is the equivolent of bringing a gun to a knife fight.

And a regular part of many killer whales diets is in fact sharks . And they don't scavenge them.

:kick:

Oh .... and did you know Killer Whales kill HUMP BACK Whales ?

You do know that's how they got their name ... right. Becuase they're whale killers ? Of course you did ... you watch Discovery!!!

So answer the question that you kep avoiding ...

IN THE CLIP FROM THE CNN LINK , ARE YOU TELLING ME FROM A DISTANCE SO FAR AWAY WHERE YOU COULD BARELY MAKE OUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE SURFACE OF THE WATER , THEY COULD SEE AN UNDERWATER ATTACK ??

ALSO NOW THAT YOU FUCKED UP AND POSTED THE REAL FOOTAGE , DO YOU NOW ADMIT THAT THE INITIAL YOUTUBE CLIP YOU POSTED WAS EDITED , STUFF ADDED AND IS A COMPLETE FRAUD ???

[CleanYourClock]

Fuckin OWNAGE to the tenth degree ..... :lol: :lol:

[CleanYourClock]

BULLSHIT ...
It's not my video buddy , its yours and you hung yoursef with your own fuckin link !!!

Like I said , I challenge anyone to right click on the video that is in the CNN link and save the target to their PC and then have a look at it.
I doubt you will find even one person that will debate the fact that they could not see what was going on ...
They were very far away !!!

Did you watch the video Petre ??? Are you attempting to dispute the fact that its impossible for them to have seen anything underwater ??? Are you disputing that your initial video isn't a fuckin fraud ???

Here is the link http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9710/08/whale.vs.shark/
The vdeo is inside but in order to see it , you must save it to your PC.
Someone please save this and look at it ...

Someone please take a look at the real footage ...

[PetreTG]

So answer the question that you kep avoiding ...

IN THE CLIP FROM THE CNN LINK , ARE YOU TELLING ME FROM A DISTANCE SO FAR AWAY WHERE YOU COULD BARELY MAKE OUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE SURFACE OF THE WATER , THEY COULD SEE AN UNDERWATER ATTACK ??

ALSO NOW THAT YOU FUCKED UP AND POSTED THE REAL FOOTAGE , DO YOU NOW ADMIT THAT THE INITIAL YOUTUBE CLIP YOU POSTED WAS EDITED , STUFF ADDED AND IS A COMPLETE FRAUD ???
Haaahaahaa ...The Footage was in the very first reference I made to it in this thread a couple pages ago you idiot.

My god you're a tool. :lol:

[PetreTG]

Fuckin OWNAGE to the tenth degree ..... :lol: :lol:

CYC WINS ANOTHER DEBATE!!!


:laughing:

[PetreTG]

CYC ... after much commitment to the task .... finally posts his proof of the shark actually being dead and the killer whales becoming scavengers ....

The video however in his hysteria somehow got erased and instead we see his formidable debating skills in action via web cam recording.

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[CleanYourClock]

PETRE GOT OWNED !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
First he posts a clip and defends that its not a fraud and wasn't edited.
Then he posts another link with the real clip in it that proves its a fraud .. :doh: :lol: :lol:

Then he posts a quote , yet the video proves the quote to be an impossibility ... :lol: :lol:

Petre , get your head out of your ass ....

[Rainmaker]

CYC, do you claim that a great white would beat a killer whale in a fight?

[Anthony]

I will take a look at the video when i get home and give my opinion.

[CleanYourClock]

CYC, do you claim that a great white would beat a killer whale in a fight?

No I have never claimed that nor did I ever claim that great whites eat killer whales.
However for someone to run around and claim that Killer whales beat up and kill full grown Great white sharks is fuckin ridiculous without any evidence ...

[CleanYourClock]

I will take a look at the video when i get home and give my opinion.

Thank you Godfather ...

Just tell me if you think they can see an under water attack showing the killer whale killing the shark from their perspective ...
That answer will destroy Petre's quote that he posted .. I'm sure of it ..

Also if you don't mind , you can let us know how much shit was added into the youtube clip that Petre initially posted in comparison to the real footage .... I think you will be amazed .. :lol:

[Black Market Baby]

Someone please take a look at the real footage ...

I looked at the footage you posted (cnn link) and watching that independent of the story and this fight on the internet, I would not surmise that a killer whale killed a great white. Whatever the Orca bit at in the end of the video looked to be floating on the water and seemingly dead.

Nor does the video petre posted in the beginning conclusively show a great white being attacked by a killer whale.

With all that being said, I cannot easily dispute the witnesses and the story, or my personal belief that Orcas are probably the baddest mother fuckers in the ocean. I wouldn't argue with a marine biologist on this matter.

[Black Market Baby]

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holy crap, that is great.

[Tyler Durden]

I guess you have a hard time reading and comprehending.

"Nothing like this has been known to happen before," said Mary Jane Schramm, a naturalist who witnessed the attack Saturday off the Farallon Islands.

... we noticed this dark shape moving in the water, giving the orcas a wide berth," Schramm said.

The adult orca veered toward the dark shape, and then surged to the surface with a 10-foot-long great white shark in her jaws. "We were stunned," Schramm said.

Sounds to me like the shark was pretty fucking alive .... but hey .... you watch Discovery. What do the people that were there and witnessed it know , compared to that ? :doh:


Isn't 10 foot not very big for a great white? Like Lennox Lewis killing Hatton or something? :lol:

[Anthony]

I looked at the footage you posted (cnn link) and watching that independent of the story and this fight on the internet, I would not surmise that a killer whale killed a great white. Whatever the Orca bit at in the end of the video looked to be floating on the water and seemingly dead.

Nor does the video petre posted in the beginning conclusively show a great white being attacked by a killer whale.

With all that being said, I cannot easily dispute the witnesses and the story, or my personal belief that Orcas are probably the baddest mother fuckers in the ocean. I wouldn't argue with a marine biologist on this matter.I agree with everything except the Orca being the baddest motherfuckers in the ocean. Marine Biologist have their favorites too. Who knows who would win. Someone should setup a fight between the two.

[Ropadope]

I agree with everything except the Orca being the baddest motherfuckers in the ocean. Marine Biologist have their favorites too. Who knows who would win. Someone should setup a fight between the two.

Too bad Michael Vick is in jail!

[PetreTG]

PETRE GOT OWNED !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
First he posts a clip and defends that its not a fraud and wasn't edited.
Then he posts another link with the real clip in it that proves its a fraud .. :doh: :lol: :lol:

Then he posts a quote , yet the video proves the quote to be an impossibility ...

Petre , get your head out of your ass ....

CYC manages another post from the land of delusion.

Some may note .... he's the only one saying he "owned" me.

:clap:

Who want's to bet I'll hear about how he owned me in many threads to come , when in fact .... all you're doing is owning yourself. :lol:

[CleanYourClock]

CYC manages another post from the land of delusion.

Some may note .... he's the only one saying he "owned" me.

:clap:

Who want's to bet I'll hear about how he owned me in many threads to come , when in fact .... all you're doing is owning yourself. :lol:

So you are saying that in the "CNN video" , as they were approaching , they were close enough to see with their own eyes an underwater attack ??

IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ? ANSWER PLEASE !!!

[Hut*Hut]

The most retarded post of this thread.

Orca lumbering?

Shiiiiiiiiit, the only shark faster than an Orca is the small ass Mako shark.

:popcorn:

Yeah, yeah. Look, face it, anything shaped like a fucking melon is lumbering, G. Tony Tubbs - fast hands? lumbering. Sumo wrestler - can do the splits? lumbering. Just grow to accept it, your darling orca has no sex appeal! It can kill all the sharks it wants aint nobody gonna care. :dunno:

[CleanYourClock]

I looked at the footage you posted (cnn link) and watching that independent of the story and this fight on the internet, I would not surmise that a killer whale killed a great white. Whatever the Orca bit at in the end of the video looked to be floating on the water and seemingly dead.

Nor does the video petre posted in the beginning conclusively show a great white being attacked by a killer whale.

With all that being said, I cannot easily dispute the witnesses and the story, or my personal belief that Orcas are probably the baddest mother fuckers in the ocean. I wouldn't argue with a marine biologist on this matter.

Thats cool BMB but , in your opinion from the CNN footage , were they close enough to see an underwater attack ??

Also can you please describe how much Petre's youtube clip is edited in comparison to the CNN footage ...

[PetreTG]

Thats cool BMB but , in your opinion from the CNN footage , were they close enough to see an underwater attack ??

Also can you please describe how much Petre's youtube clip is edited in comparison to the CNN footage ...
I really love how you twist arguements in a desperate attempt to win a debate.

From what was initially nothing but a facetious retort to Octopus' Shark attacks Whale thread ... to this nonsense where you're so busy trying to be right that you can't even stick to the actual points being made.

Now you hang on the CNN footage which was obviously an extremely short edited sequence of the KW eating something ... which in the interview it even states the guy got there long after the attack started.

Finally ... On the ocean , where waters are actually very clear and you can see incredible distances ... you have as example lets say ... Life guards along ocean shores that spot sharks 100's of yards off shore. If you think for a moment they could not see a large dark mass of something cruising the area obviously alive and swimming at 25 yards , and then when the attack began and the KW brought it out of the water to the surface that it had in fact struck a Great White ... you're just an idiot.

On a side note ... I really should recap the banter ... it would be hilarious to see what a raving loon you are. :lol:

You win the debate because I don't argue with morons .... but here's the latest invention to make life easier for you when you "win" debates.
http://affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/imagespat-on-the-back-small.jpg
This way you don't have to strain your arm everytime you get delusional.

[PetreTG]

Yeah, yeah. Look, face it, anything shaped like a fucking melon is lumbering, G. Tony Tubbs - fast hands? lumbering. Sumo wrestler - can do the splits? lumbering. Just grow to accept it, your darling orca has no sex appeal! It can kill all the sharks it wants aint nobody gonna care. :dunno:
On a serious note ... one thing Killer Whales are not is lumbering. They're one of the fastest and most graceful creatures in the ocean. :clap:

Having said that ... they certainly can lumber. They can lumber down on a great white shark with 2 - 3 times it's mass and smash it to peices making that great white bitch run for cover. :lol:

[CleanYourClock]

I really love how you twist arguements in a desperate attempt to win a debate.

From what was initially nothing but a facetious retort to Octopus' Shark attacks Whale thread ... to this nonsense where you're so busy trying to be right that you can't even stick to the actual points being made.

Now you hang on the CNN footage which was obviously an extremely short edited sequence of the KW eating something ... which in the interview it even states the guy got there long after the attack started.

Finally ... On the ocean , where waters are actually very clear and you can see incredible distances ... you have as example lets say ... Life guards along ocean shores that spot sharks 100's of yards off shore. If you think for a moment they could not see a large dark mass of something cruising the area obviously alive and swimming at 25 yards , and then when the attack began and the KW brought it out of the water to the surface that it had in fact struck a Great White ... you're just an idiot.

On a side note ... I really should recap the banter ... it would be hilarious to see what a raving loon you are. :lol:

You win the debate because I don't argue with morons .... but here's the latest invention to make life easier for you when you "win" debates.
http://affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/imagespat-on-the-back-small.jpg
This way you don't have to strain your arm everytime you get delusional.

Stop fuckin dancing and answer the fuckin questions !!!

1 - IN THE CNN CLIP , AS THEY WERE APPROACHING IN THE BOAT SO FAR AWAY IN VERY CHOPPY WATER , DO YOU THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE AN UNDERWATER ATTACK SEVERAL FEET BELOW THE SURFACE TAKE PLACE ??

2 - IN COMPARISON TO THE CNN FOOTAGE , DO YOU THINK YOUR INITIAL YOUTUBE CLIP WAS EDITED AND HAD ADDITIONAL FAKE CRAP ADDED IN ?
YES OR NO

[Anthony]

You stole my pat on the back pic.

[CleanYourClock]

You stole my pat on the back pic.

Godfather , since you have seen the CNN clip , can you give us your answers to the questions Petre has been avoiding ?

[PetreTG]

Stop fuckin dancing and answer the fuckin questions !!!

1 - IN THE CNN CLIP , AS THEY WERE APPROACHING IN THE BOAT SO FAR AWAY IN VERY CHOPPY WATER , DO YOU THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE AN UNDERWATER ATTACK SEVERAL FEET BELOW THE SURFACE TAKE PLACE ??

2 - IN COMPARISON TO THE CNN FOOTAGE , DO YOU THINK YOUR INITIAL YOUTUBE CLIP WAS EDITED AND HAD ADDITIONAL FAKE CRAP ADDED IN ?
YES OR NO
Damn you just don't know when to give up do ya ... :lol:

1. I believe they said the Killer Whale BROUGHT THE GREAT WHITE UP TO THE SURFACE AND THRASHED IT AROUND like they do most all their prey . :kick:

2. News flash ... THEY'RE BOTH EDITED YOU IDIOT one tells the story the other shows what they actually managed to capture underwater of the aftermath.:kick:


That is unless you think the guy with the underwater camera filmed for 10 seconds and then said ... OK time to go home! :lol:

The attack had already occured ... the underwater camera captured the killer whale eating something AFTER the attack.

The EYEWITNESSES said what that attackee was. A living swimming breathing , GREAT WHITE SHARK.

Damn you are a goofball and I'll bet you were shit in school. :lol:

[CleanYourClock]

Damn you just don't know when to give up do ya ... :lol:

1. I believe they said the Killer Whale BROUGHT THE GREAT WHITE UP TO THE SURFACE AND THRASHED IT AROUND like they do most all their prey . :kick:

2. News flash ... THEY'RE BOTH EDITED YOU IDIOT one tells the story the other shows what they actually managed to capture underwater of the aftermath.:kick:


That is unless you think the guy with the underwater camera filmed for 10 seconds and then said ... OK time to go home! :lol:

The attack had already occured ... the underwater camera captured the killer whale eating something AFTER the attack.

The EYEWITNESSES said what that attackee was. A living swimming breathing , GREAT WHITE SHARK.

Damn you are a goofball and I'll bet you were shit in school. :lol:


Bro Just answer the questions , yes or no ..
Stop fuckin dancing and answer the fuckin questions !!!

1 - IN THE CNN CLIP , AS THEY WERE APPROACHING IN THE BOAT SO FAR AWAY IN VERY CHOPPY WATER , DO YOU THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE AN UNDERWATER ATTACK SEVERAL FEET BELOW THE SURFACE TAKE PLACE ??

2 - IN COMPARISON TO THE CNN FOOTAGE , DO YOU THINK YOUR INITIAL YOUTUBE CLIP WAS EDITED AND HAD ADDITIONAL FAKE CRAP ADDED IN ?
YES OR NO<!-- / message -->

[PetreTG]

Bro Just answer the questions , yes or no ..
Stop fuckin dancing and answer the fuckin questions !!!

1 - IN THE CNN CLIP , AS THEY WERE APPROACHING IN THE BOAT SO FAR AWAY IN VERY CHOPPY WATER , DO YOU THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE AN UNDERWATER ATTACK SEVERAL FEET BELOW THE SURFACE TAKE PLACE ??

2 - IN COMPARISON TO THE CNN FOOTAGE , DO YOU THINK YOUR INITIAL YOUTUBE CLIP WAS EDITED AND HAD ADDITIONAL FAKE CRAP ADDED IN ?
YES OR NO<!-- / message -->
Here's your answer ... :kick:










CleanYourClock you will have to stay after school for being a Dipshit.
http://www.tailored.com.au/uploaded_images/dunce-775122.jpg

[CleanYourClock]

Here's your answer ... :kick:
http://www.tailored.com.au/uploaded_images/dunce-775122.jpg

Typical run away , dance around response from Petre when his back is pushed against the wall ..
Poor guy even at his age still can't admit when he is wrong ..
Instead of answering two yes or no questions , he posts up childish pictures ..

[PetreTG]

Typical run away , dance around response from Petre when his back is pushed against the wall ..
Poor guy even at his age still can't admit when he is wrong ..
Instead of answering two yes or no questions , he posts up childish pictures ..

CYC THE THINKER
Hmmmm even though he keeps answering me ,
he's not giving me the answer I want to hear.
So maybe if I keep repeating my bullshit enough,
everyone will proclaim me the winner of this pointless debate.
http://www.raptureready.com/photo/60/thinker.jpg

[CleanYourClock]

CYC THE THINKER
Hmmmm even though he keeps answering me ,
he's not giving me the answer I want to hear.
So maybe if I keep repeating my bullshit enough,
everyone will proclaim me the winner of this pointless debate.
http://www.raptureready.com/photo/60/thinker.jpg


Once again ...
Typical run away , dance around response from Petre when his back is pushed against the wall ..
Poor guy even at his age still can't admit when he is wrong ..
Instead of answering two yes or no questions , he posts up childish pictures ..

[PetreTG]

Once again ...
Typical run away , dance around response from Petre when his back is pushed against the wall ..
Poor guy even at his age still can't admit when he is wrong ..
Instead of answering two yes or no questions , he posts up childish pictures ....

That outta get him Gyaaaaa

http://www.raptureready.com/photo/60/thinker.jpg




:lol:

[CleanYourClock]

:lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: HAHAHA , Petre is incapable of answering two easy questions because he knows he is wrong ...

boo hoo boo hoo ..

Now to avoid , he posts childish pictures ... Wow , how low he has sunk ..

[PetreTG]

:lol: :lol: :lol: HAHAHA , Petre is incapable of answering two easy questions because he knows he is wrong ...

boo hoo boo hoo ..

Now to avoid , he posts childish pictures ... Wow , how low he has sunk ..

weeeeeeeee
http://www.raptureready.com/photo/60/thinker.jpg



I'm seriously gonna have to make a thread on your debating style :lol:

[I and I]

CYC is now giving theories on editing?

:shit: :laughing: :laughing:

[CleanYourClock]

I'm seriously gonna have to make a thread on your debating style :lol:

Yeah , me too .. It's called AVOIDANCE ..:laughing: :laughing:

Stop fuckin dancing and answer the fuckin questions !!!

1 - IN THE CNN CLIP , AS THEY WERE APPROACHING IN THE BOAT SO FAR AWAY IN VERY CHOPPY WATER , DO YOU THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE AN UNDERWATER ATTACK SEVERAL FEET BELOW THE SURFACE TAKE PLACE ??

2 - IN COMPARISON TO THE CNN FOOTAGE , DO YOU THINK YOUR INITIAL YOUTUBE CLIP WAS EDITED AND HAD ADDITIONAL FAKE CRAP ADDED IN ?
YES OR NO

[Black Market Baby]

Thats cool BMB but , in your opinion from the CNN footage , were they close enough to see an underwater attack ??

Also can you please describe how much Petre's youtube clip is edited in comparison to the CNN footage ...


Well, I also disagree with the amount of distance you can see underwater, especially in the kind of water it looks to be in. 25 yards seems to be a long way unless you are in the crystal blue, devoid of chop, and on a sunny day. Of course I've seen underwater footage before and it is beautifully clear but I think certain variables would have to be in place to get optimal conditions.

Edit - I checked...North Atlantic visibility can be anywhere from 50 ft to 115 ft optimum conditions. So I guess it is possible.

Of course I do think the first clip is edited, it's obvious that two different camera's shot the above water and below water shots. I don't, however, think it is indicative of dishonesty.

[PetreTG]

Well, I also disagree with the amount of distance you can see underwater, especially in the kind of water it looks to be in. 25 yards seems to be a long way unless you are in the crystal blue, devoid of chop, and on a sunny day. Of course I've seen underwater footage before and it is beautifully clear but I think certain variables would have to be in place to get optimal conditions.

Edit - I checked...North Atlantic visibility can be anywhere from 50 ft to 115 ft optimum conditions. So I guess it is possible.

Of course I do think the first clip is edited, it's obvious that two different camera's shot the above water and below water shots. I don't, however, think it is indicative of dishonesty.

And then take into account that this wasn't a 10lb bass swimming around ...it was a 10' 1+ton Great White.

[CleanYourClock]

And then take into account that this wasn't a 10lb bass swimming around ...it was a 10' 1+ton Great White.

Bro , you can hear them talking .. The fin of of the orca was far enough away for them to start debating if it was an Orca fin..

There is no way in fucking hell they could have seen an underwater attack from where they were ... Fuckin superman wouldn't even be able to do that ..

[Tyler Durden]

Is this how it typically goes in "mythical matchups" ? :doh: :lol:

[Anthony]

Is this how it typically goes in "mythical matchups" ? :doh: :lol:ridiculous isnt it?

[I and I]

No Petre , YOU ARE INCORRECT ...
They showed from start to finish as they arrived on the sceen from a long distance back , kept filming until they got close , filmed what they seen along with what they were saying during this situation.
The only edit in the documentry was when after the fact and the incident was already shown , they cut and continued on with the documentry.
SO YOU ARE WRONG !

Dispute evidence ?? :doh: :laughing: You haven't shown any evidence as of yet !

What in the hell does a video being edited or not edited prove???

Just because it isn't edited don't mean that it CAN'T be fake, and just because it is edited doesn't automatically mean that it is a fraud of any kind.

When will CYC explain his wacko theories on editing?

And yes, you dumbfuck, everything you have seen on film or video has been edited in some way. Welcome to 1922. :rolleyes:

[CleanYourClock]

What in the hell does a video being edited or not edited prove???

Just because it isn't edited don't mean that it CAN'T be fake, and just because it is edited doesn't automatically mean that it is a fraud of any kind.

When will CYC explain his wacko theories on editing?

And yes, you dumbfuck, everything you have seen on film or video has been edited in some way. Welcome to 1922. :rolleyes:

Stop fuckin dancing and answer the fuckin questions !!!

1 - IN THE CNN CLIP , AS THEY WERE APPROACHING IN THE BOAT SO FAR AWAY IN VERY CHOPPY WATER , DO YOU THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE AN UNDERWATER ATTACK SEVERAL FEET BELOW THE SURFACE TAKE PLACE ??

2 - IN COMPARISON TO THE CNN FOOTAGE , DO YOU THINK YOUR INITIAL YOUTUBE CLIP WAS EDITED AND HAD ADDITIONAL FAKE CRAP ADDED IN ?
YES OR NO<!-- / message -->

[I and I]

Stop fuckin dancing and answer the fuckin questions !!!

1 - IN THE CNN CLIP , AS THEY WERE APPROACHING IN THE BOAT SO FAR AWAY IN VERY CHOPPY WATER , DO YOU THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE AN UNDERWATER ATTACK SEVERAL FEET BELOW THE SURFACE TAKE PLACE ??

2 - IN COMPARISON TO THE CNN FOOTAGE , DO YOU THINK YOUR INITIAL YOUTUBE CLIP WAS EDITED AND HAD ADDITIONAL FAKE CRAP ADDED IN ?
YES OR NO<!-- / message -->

Hey Dumbass, I didn't post any clips.

What in the hell does a video being edited or not edited prove???

Just because it isn't edited don't mean that it CAN'T be fake, and just because it is edited doesn't automatically mean that it is a fraud of any kind.

When will CYC explain his wacko theories on editing?

And yes, you dumbfuck, everything you have seen on film or video has been edited in some way. Welcome to 1922.

[CleanYourClock]

Hey Dumbass, I didn't post any clips.

What in the hell does a video being edited or not edited prove???

Just because it isn't edited don't mean that it CAN'T be fake, and just because it is edited doesn't automatically mean that it is a fraud of any kind.

When will CYC explain his wacko theories on editing?

And yes, you dumbfuck, everything you have seen on film or video has been edited in some way. Welcome to 1922.

:lol: :lol: You can't even make sense when replying.

[I and I]

:lol: :lol: You can't even make sense when replying.


You can't even explain what editing vs non editing of a video has anything to do with whether or not it is fake. :laughing: :laughing:

[CleanYourClock]

You can't even explain what editing vs non editing of a video has anything to do with whether or not it is fake. :laughing: :laughing:

I told you already ...:doh:

[I and I]

I told you already ...:doh:

CYC believes that if a clip isn't edited than it can't be fake.

:laughing: :laughing:

[CleanYourClock]

CYC believes that if a clip isn't edited than it can't be fake.

:laughing: :laughing:

Who said that ??

If I film a plastic Loch ness monster and don't edit it , its still a fake.

Again , you are fuckin retarded.

[I and I]

Who said that ??

If I film a plastic Loch ness monster and don't edit it , its still a fake.

Again , you are fuckin retarded.

So why are you using the clips editing as somehow meaning it is fake, since a clip can also be fake when not edited at all.

[CleanYourClock]

So why are you using the clips editing as somehow meaning it is fake, since a clip can also be fake when not edited at all.

If you still don't understand , then thats something you are going to have to figure out on your own. It has already been explained.