Question to all Roid groupies

[Kaliber44]

The Tarver fights and the Glen Johnson fight..So do you feel Roy was past his best and that's why he lost? Or do you think Tarver had his number and kicked his ass, as simple as that? (Don't tell me Roid was old because Tarver was older!)

[sexperienced]

the jump back down from heavy was really what fucked him up, it had absolutely nothing to do with age.

[Kaliber44]

the jump back down from heavy was really what fucked him up, it had absolutely nothing to do with age.

But Roid weighed in at 193lbs for the Ruiz fight (fully clothed and all if i remember correctly) so he only had to lose what 18 pounds to get back to 175? He lost 18 pounds in 8 months for the Tarver fight and that's what fucked him up?? I'm sure he walks around on daily basis around 190...so you're sticking to the roid had to lose 18 pounds in 8 months and that's why he lost bullshit?

[Rubio MHS]

The Tarver fights and the Glen Johnson fight..So do you feel Roy was past his best and that's why he lost? Or do you think Tarver had his number and kicked his ass, as simple as that? (Don't tell me Roid was old because Tarver was older!)Ring age often has little to do with actual age. Fernando Vargas and Riddick Bowe were old when they were still in their 20s, while Bernard Hopkins was positively spry when he was in his late 30s. Fighters who rely so heavily on their natural-born skills will slip sooner and often more dramatically than fighters who rely on their hearts and minds.

Mike Tyson lost to Lennox Lewis because he was old. Can you ignore that simply because Lewis was older? :doh: :dunno:

[Kaliber44]

Ring age often has little to do with actual age. Fernando Vargas and Riddick Bowe were old when they were still in their 20s, while Bernard Hopkins was positively spry when he was in his late 30s. Fighters who rely so heavily on their natural-born skills will slip sooner and often more dramatically than fighters who rely on their hearts and minds.

Mike Tyson lost to Lennox Lewis because he was old. Can you ignore that simply because Lewis was older? :doh: :dunno:

so you're not giving Tarver credit for simply being better than Roid? You're just saying Roid was past it? Even though he just won the heavyweight championship couple months prior? If Ruiz knocked him out would you have said Roid was past it then too?

[Rubio MHS]

so you're not giving Tarver credit for simply being better than Roid? You're just saying Roid was past it? Even though he just won the heavyweight championship couple months prior? If Ruiz knocked him out would you have said Roid was past it then too?No. I actually watched his career objectively. Jones had been slipping for years, while Tarver was fighting at his best. Put Jay Nady in any relatively even John Ruiz fight, and John Ruiz loses. Jones looked like shit in the first Tarver fight, and he still clearly won. If you think that Tarver'd beat a prime Jones, you are simply retarded.

[sexperienced]

But Roid weighed in at 193lbs for the Ruiz fight (fully clothed and all if i remember correctly) so he only had to lose what 18 pounds to get back to 175? He lost 18 pounds in 8 months for the Tarver fight and that's what fucked him up?? I'm sure he walks around on daily basis around 190...so you're sticking to the roid had to lose 18 pounds in 8 months and that's why he lost bullshit?

shedding 18 pounds of muscle isnt the same as shedding 18 pounds of fat.

[Joe King]

But Roid weighed in at 193lbs for the Ruiz fight (fully clothed and all if i remember correctly) so he only had to lose what 18 pounds to get back to 175? He lost 18 pounds in 8 months for the Tarver fight and that's what fucked him up?? I'm sure he walks around on daily basis around 190...so you're sticking to the roid had to lose 18 pounds in 8 months and that's why he lost bullshit?

Roy weighed 199 on fight day.

Roy was also keeping his heavyweight frame until September when he decided to drop to light heavy because none of his heavyweight fights went through.

I was in RJJ's suite after the first Tarver fight and he was throwing up and looked terrible. You guys have no idea how sickly he was that night and it definitely wasn't from Tarver. At the weigh in the day before, he could barely stand and was sitting down.

Tarver caught Roy cleanly in the 2nd fight. He won that one.

I think Roy came back way too quickly in the Johnson fight. You could tell from the beginning of the fight that something was majorly wrong.

[Kaliber44]

No. I actually watched his career objectively. Jones had been slipping for years, while Tarver was fighting at his best. Put Jay Nady in any relatively even John Ruiz fight, and John Ruiz loses. Jones looked like shit in the first Tarver fight, and he still clearly won. If you think that Tarver'd beat a prime Jones, you are simply retarded.

No he didnt' . I had Tarver winning, a lot of people did so how can you say he clearly won?

Wow this quickly you're resorting to insults? Shows you got nothing left..


And Yes Tarver beats a prime jones as a matter of fact he already did it..

[Kaliber44]

Roy weighed 199 on fight day.

Roy was also keeping his heavyweight frame until September when he decided to drop to light heavy because none of his heavyweight fights went through.

I was in RJJ's suite after the first Tarver fight and he was throwing up and looked terrible. You guys have no idea how sickly he was that night and it definitely wasn't from Tarver. At the weigh in the day before, he could barely stand and was sitting down.

Tarver's body shots baby!

[Erratic]

No he didnt' . I had Tarver winning, a lot of people did so how can you say he clearly won?

Wow this quickly you're resorting to insults? Shows you got nothing left..


And Yes Tarver beats a prime jones as a matter of fact he already did it..

Jones won that fairly. I highly question how anyone can objectively have Tarver winning that fight.

[Kaliber44]

Jones won that fairly. I highly question how anyone can objectively have Tarver winning that fight.

Roid did nothing in that fight he landed a couple shots here and there mostly to the body while Tarver pounded him on the ropes on several occasions

[Joe King]

Tarver's body shots baby!

Tarver was headhunting all night there was no body attack. If there was any, it was Roy doing it. Tarver did his shoeshine flurries while Roy was against the ropes. You are just blind hating.

[Kaliber44]

Tarver was headhunting all night there was no body attack. If there was any, it was Roy doing it. Tarver did his shoeshine flurries while Roy was against the ropes. You are just blind hating.

That was a joke but Roid did lose that fight on my scorecard ..it was very close though

[Joe King]

Roid did nothing in that fight he landed a couple shots here and there mostly to the body while Tarver pounded him on the ropes on several occasions


Roy had the winky wright defense going that night. No one complains when Winky uses it and wins, but as soon as Roy does it, he loses "because he wasn't doing anything".

I thought Roy won 9 out of 12 rounds and I thought the judges would have it 8-4 which one did and the other one had my same score.

[Kaliber44]

Roy had the winky wright defense going that night. No one complains when Winky uses it and wins, but as soon as Roy does it, he loses "because he wasn't doing anything".

I thought Roy won 9 out of 12 rounds and I thought the judges would have it 8-4 which one did and the other one had my same score.

you had roy winning 9 to 3 in the first Tarver fight. WOW you're a big time groupie !! I'm sure even fuckingi reed had it closer than that

[Joe King]

you had roy winning 9 to 3 in the first Tarver fight. WOW you're a big time groupie !! I'm sure even fuckingi reed had it closer than that

I still thought the judges would score it 8-4 and 2 did, that's why Roy won.

[His_Royness]

The Tarver fights and the Glen Johnson fight..So do you feel Roy was past his best and that's why he lost? Or do you think Tarver had his number and kicked his ass, as simple as that? (Don't tell me Roid was old because Tarver was older!)


usually when u have a guy's number you don't lose the first fight... :kick:

[Kaliber44]

I still thought the judges would score it 8-4 and 2 did, that's why Roy won.

Judges scored it for Roy simply cuz Roy was the much bigger name in that fight...and if only stupidass Tarver knew that Roy has absolutely no chin he'd have knocked him out in the first fight

[Kaliber44]

usually when u have a guy's number you don't lose the first fight... :kick:

I had Tarver winning

[His_Royness]

No he didnt' . I had Tarver winning, a lot of people did so how can you say he clearly won?

Wow this quickly you're resorting to insults? Shows you got nothing left..


And Yes Tarver beats a prime jones as a matter of fact he already did it..


all the Roy haters and the people who had Tarver winning fight one are the exact same people - so i don't blame them not being able to score fights they are emotionally involved in.

9:3 is too clear, though imo. But Roy won 7 rounds of that fight no doubt and a lot of people get all jiggy with that uneffective shit Tarver did to Roy on the ropes where he landed like 2 out of 30 shots.

[Rubio MHS]

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No. I actually watched his career objectively. Jones had been slipping for years, while Tarver was fighting at his best. Put Jay Nady in any relatively even John Ruiz fight, and John Ruiz loses. Jones looked like shit in the first Tarver fight, and he still clearly won. If you think that Tarver'd beat a prime Jones, you are simply retarded.
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No he didnt' . I had Tarver winning, a lot of people did so how can you say he clearly won?

Wow this quickly you're resorting to insults? Shows you got nothing left..


And Yes Tarver beats a prime jones as a matter of fact he already did it..Oh, you really think he'd beat the Jones of 2000? Really? :doh: :dunno:

[Joe King]

Judges scored it for Roy simply cuz Roy was the much bigger name in that fight...and if only stupidass Tarver knew that Roy has absolutely no chin he'd have knocked him out in the first fight

I see the decline in the "quality" of your arguments with each post.:lol:
Judges have been waiting years to score rounds against Roy and they had their chance that night, hence the 114-114 draw.

[Kaliber44]

Round 5 of Tarver Roid III proves that Roid was still at his best..

[Kaliber44]

Wow 6-1 ! I just remembered this is the same site that had a seperate section for Roid called planet ROID :lol:

[Joe King]

Round 5 of Tarver Roid III proves that Roid was still at his best..

How? He's way more flat footed than in years past.

[Kaliber44]

How? He's way more flat footed than in years past.

he was loading up on his shots that's why

[Rubio MHS]

Round 5 of Tarver Roid III proves that Roid was still at his best..At his best, he could fight that way for 12 rounds. 12 rounds of that, and Tarver wouldn't win a round, let alone a fight. :nono: :dunno:

[Joe King]

he was loading up on his shots that's why

If you think that a 35 year old fighter who got KTFO in his last two fights is in his prime, I can't help you.:shit:

[Kaliber44]

If you think that a 35 year old fighter who got KTFO in his last two fights is in his prime, I can't help you.:shit:

Physically he was far from done yet but mentally he had no chance. He was a scared little boy and Tarver was his daddy.

[Erratic]

Roid did nothing in that fight he landed a couple shots here and there mostly to the body while Tarver pounded him on the ropes on several occasions

Tarver is the one who did jack shit in that fight.

After a good first two rounds for Tarver, Roy got most of the next 4 rounds to take place at center ring where Tarver did fuck all but stare at Roy, looking to counter, leary of Roy's bodywork. The best he did from rounds 3 to 6 was late in round 4 when he flurried on Roy on the ropes and hit mostly arms, gloves, and elbows.

After a close round 7 and a good round 8 for Tarver, Tarver went back to doing fuck all in round 9. He had a decent flurry with about 30 seconds left but not nearly enough to take the round.

After a good round 10, Tarver went back to doing nothing in round 11 but take (and block) Jones's shots. He had one little bullshit flurry on the ropes that landed on Roy's gloves and elbows.

Then Tarver started off round 12 strong, a nice 20 second flurry early on, and then did nothing for the last 2 minutes and Roy landed the better shots for the remainder.

Tarver maybe gets a draw.....if you're being really generous to him.

[His_Royness]

Round 5 of Tarver Roid III proves that Roid was still at his best..


round 6 proved he wasn't... :rolleyes:


what a stupid argument - come on Kaliber you're not that stupid u showed your not just a shit talking pole all the time when i provoked you with Wloda-Cuntingham. Now put your Roy hatred to the side and be a good boy. :nono:

[Kaliber44]

round 6 proved he wasn't... :rolleyes:


what a stupid argument - come on Kaliber you're not that stupid u showed your not just a shit talking pole all the time when i provoked you with Wloda-Cuntingham. Now put your Roy hatred to the side and be a good boy. :nono:


never! :lol:

Me in 50 years :old: "FUCK ROID" !!

:lol:

[His_Royness]

never! :lol:

Me in 50 years :old: "FUCK ROID" !!

:lol:



at least some people are cool enough to admit it... like me i'm a Roy groupie... and i'm pretty harsh on Roy giving him the fight only 7:5 the closest possible... :lol:

[Beyond the Grave]

so you're not giving Tarver credit for simply being better than Roid? You're just saying Roid was past it? Even though he just won the heavyweight championship couple months prior? If Ruiz knocked him out would you have said Roid was past it then too?

Hate to cut in but Lennox Lewis was the Heavyweight Champion at the time,Roy just won a trinket.

[Kaliber44]

Hate to cut in but Lennox Lewis was the Heavyweight Champion at the time,Roy just won a trinket.

you're right feel free to change The heavyweight championship to an A heavyweight championship :bears:

[Rubio MHS]

you're right feel free to change The heavyweight championship to an A heavyweight championship :bears:John Ruiz was never a champion. He held a title.

[slystaff]

the jump back down from heavy was really what fucked him up, it had absolutely nothing to do with age.Word.

Or Tarver.

Prime Roy vs Tarver would have looked like the Richard Hall fight...

[Kaliber44]

Word.

Or Tarver.

Prime Roy vs Tarver would have looked like the Richard Hall fight...


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Joe King]

Prime Roy vs Tarver would have been like the David Telesco fight. Tarver would start out with no fear, then be a scared shell of himself.

Prime Roy vs Glen Johnson would look like the Bryant Brannon fight. Johnson wouldn't hit anything but be caught by a sharp Roy and KO'd in probably 5.

[Kaliber44]

Prime Roy vs Tarver would have been like the David Telesco fight. Tarver would start out with no fear, then be a scared shell of himself.

Prime Roy vs Glen Johnson would look like the Bryant Brannon fight. Johnson wouldn't hit anything but be caught by a sharp Roy and KO'd in probably 5.

:lol:

you're so blind dude it's sad. By creating those little scenarios do you sleep easier at night? Is that how your world make sense again?? Fact of the matter is you have NOTHING to go by to say that Roid does that to glen and tarver. Now what you have to go by is the fact they already fought roid and they both KNOCKED HIM THE FUCK OUT. Fact of the matter is BOTH glen and tarver were OLDER than Roid at the time of their respective fights. So now what if i told you both glen and tarver were past their primes themselves and they still fucked your boy up? Imagine what they'd do to him in THEIR PRIMES

[Joe King]

:lol:

you're so blind dude it's sad. By creating those little scenarios do you sleep easier at night? Is that how your world make sense again?? Fact of the matter is you have NOTHING to go by to say that Roid does that to glen and tarver. Now what you have to go by is the fact they already fought roid and they both KNOCKED HIM THE FUCK OUT. Fact of the matter is BOTH glen and tarver were OLDER than Roid at the time of their respective fights. So now what if i told you both glen and tarver were past their primes themselves and they still fucked your boy up? Imagine what they'd do to him in THEIR PRIMES

Bullshit. When Glen Johson was younger and got beaten pillar to post by Hopkins. That version of Glen gets stopped way earlier by Roy.

I'd take 23 year old RJJ over 23 year old Tarver and 23 year old Johnson AT THE SAME TIME.

[Kaliber44]

Bullshit. When Glen Johson was younger and got beaten pillar to post by Hopkins. That version of Glen gets stopped way earlier by Roy.

I'd take 23 year old RJJ over 23 year old Tarver and 23 year old Johnson AT THE SAME TIME.

So now you're saying Roid takes them out 1 on 2 ?

What's next he single handendly stops an alien invesion?

[Joe King]

So now you're saying Roid takes them out 1 on 2 ?

What's next he single handendly stops an alien invesion?

yes

[Kaliber44]

yes

just checking

stop hogging the crack pipe !!

[Rubio MHS]

just checking

stop hogging the crack pipe !!You need some more to help formulate your stupid theory that Antonio Tarver would beat the Roy Jones of the late 1990s even though he got badly owned by Eric Harding?

[Kaliber44]

You need some more to help formulate your stupid theory that Antonio Tarver would beat the Roy Jones of the late 1990s even though he got badly owned by Eric Harding?

Styles make fights you should know that that's why Roid fought Ruiz..

[Explosivo]

I said from the first Tarver fight that Roy suffered in moving back down.

As boxing buffs, you people should understand that boxers who move up, don't move back down. And there is no more of a weight disparity between weight divisions than Lt. Heavyweight to Heavyweight.

At an advanced age,...it took alot out of Jones to move back down to 175, especially since when he stepped into the ring against Ruiz, he was almost 200 pounds of solid muscle.

Think people.....and when you do, the answers are obvious.:doh:

[Rubio MHS]

Styles make fights you should know that that's why Roid fought Ruiz..Jones fought Ruiz because Ruiz sucks without a sympathetic referee.

[Breeze]

Well a lot of people seem to forget that Jones has actually beaten Tarver. In the first fight.

Secondly the rematch wasn't an assbeating. It was a one punch KO, and though it was still early Jones was controlling the fight. Now say what you want, Tarver did knock out Jones but I still think it was lucky. He closed his eyes when he threw that punch. The same thing tarver did against Harding. He closed his eyes threw a haymaker and it turned the fight around. A fight he was losing too,

The third fight. IIts clear as day, Jones put in a dissapointing perfermance a lost clearly. After about the 4th round he was a non threat and let Tarver take over the fight. Tarver wasn't impressive himself, but he won, no excuses. T

[Explosivo]

Only an idiot would believe that Tarver faced the best Roy that was offered to the world.

The Jones that took out Virgil Hill and Reggie Johnson would have toyed with Tarver. I know it, you know it and any intelligent boxing fan knows it.

[Rubio MHS]

Only an idiot would believe that Tarver faced the best Roy that was offered to the world.

The Jones that took out Virgil Hill and Reggie Johnson would have toyed with Tarver. I know it, you know it and any intelligent boxing fan knows it.So, you're basically calling Kaliber44 an idiot? That's against the rules.

:bears: :cheer:

[Roll With The Punches]

so why did Jones run from heavyweight after hand picking Ruiz? :dunno:

why did he become completely gunshy just from being floored by Tarver? :dunno:

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

so why did Jones run from heavyweight after hand picking Ruiz? :dunno:

why did he become completely gunshy just from being floored by Tarver? :dunno:
There was no heavyweights aka big names that were beatable that wanted to fight him. Tyson didn't and Holyfield was having problems with King at the time.

[joony]

i would like kalibre to answer this. did that korean guy in the olympics have golota's number or does golota just suck and has zero significant win in his entire career?

[Kaliber44]

12-6

good job guys we're gaining on these delusional groupies

[Kaliber44]

i would like kalibre to answer this. did that korean guy in the olympics have golota's number or does golota just suck and has zero significant win in his entire career?

korean won on a cut. If it wasn't for the cut Golota would have knocked him out. Where is that korean now? Other than the cameo in the Balls of Fury movie i've never heard of him since..

[joony]

korean won on a cut. If it wasn't for the cut Golota would have knocked him out. Where is that korean now? Other than the cameo in the Balls of Fury movie i've never heard of him since..

he sliced up that polish vagina and won the fight fair and square. you also failed to answer my question. :lol:

[slystaff]

he sliced up that polish vagina and won the fight fair and square. you also failed to answer my question. :lol::eek: :lol:

[Streetfighter]

Roy beat tarver in the first fight and looked shot. I do think that coming down in weight had something to do with it, or maybe because balco went out of business at the same time. either way, roy was not the same fighter after coming down in weight. He is Shot and should retire.

[Rubio MHS]

korean won on a cut. If it wasn't for the cut Golota would have knocked him out. Where is that korean now? Other than the cameo in the Balls of Fury movie i've never heard of him since..Yeah, he won on a cut after sending Golota to the canvas and completely dominating him. :doh:

[Roll With The Punches]

There was no heavyweights aka big names that were beatable that wanted to fight him.



thanks

[Rubio MHS]

If Holyfield hadn't lost the rematch or the rubber match to Ruiz, Jones would've fought him instead. He'd been looking for a fight with Holyfield since 1996 or so.

[Roll With The Punches]

i'm sure he would've :notallthere:

[Rubio MHS]

i'm sure he would've :notallthere:Holyfield was utterly beatable by the late 1990s. After he beat Tyson twice, what great wins did he have? He stopped chinny Moorer, lost to Lewis twice, and arguably didn't beat John Ruiz in three tries.

[Roll With The Punches]

doesn't mean Jones wouldn't have ever fought him


Jones's "campaign" at heavyweight = biggest disgrace ever

[Rubio MHS]

doesn't mean Jones wouldn't have ever fought him


Jones's "campaign" at heavyweight = biggest disgrace everRuiz was no more dangerous than Evander Holyfield was in that era .

[bigdawg]

Roy got beat against Tarver because he got hit with a bomb that prolly would have ko'd anyone. The Johnson fight was a joke due to the fact that Jones should have taken more time after his ko loss. Had he had taken more time he prolly would have smashed Johnson. That's the fight I want Roy to take next if not Calzaghe. I'll Holla 5000

[LOK]

to drop 20.. or 18 lbs when you are already shredded no doubt is hard as hell..

i'll just say that before he went up and fought Ruiz.. had he fought Tarver, I think Roy whups him