Fedor vs Choi My breakdown/ results

[Beyond the Grave]

I'll break it down for ya ,how it went down.

Both fighters in the ring Fedor gets huge ovation from japanese crowd.The bell rings Fedor goes for takedown,Choi ends up falling on top of him getting top mount.Fedor goes for armbar Choi gets out and while there getting up Choi lands 3 or 4 blows that marked Fedors face up,there both on there feet,Fedor lands a left hook and goes for another takedown.Choi ends up falling on Fedor again and gets top mount.He starts raining down punches on Fedor and landing ,Fedor goes for another armbar.Choi taps out fight over.Fedor whens ....shocker lol

As for the Show,the stadium was PACKED(I'm guessing 30,000 +)and the production resembled.....PRIDE lol all the way down to the crazy woman announcing the fight.

[Beyond the Grave]

MACH Sakurai vs Hidehiko Hasigawa

MACH looked sharp in this fight ,Hasigawa was game enough to make it fun to watch but Sakurai was just better in all area's of MMA.Mach wins a unanimous decision.

[TFK]

Here's the fight on Youtube...it's crappy quality.

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So Choi had size, and that's it. Could he have offered his arm anymore?

This was a joke.

TFK

[Beyond the Grave]

Wow I missed this fight but Ishida beat Gilbert Melendez by UD

great win for Ishida.

[Beyond the Grave]

Here's the fight on Youtube...it's crappy quality.

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So Choi had size, and that's it. Could he have offered his arm anymore?

This was a joke.

TFK
Yeah but very few Heavyweights can pull off an armbar from the bottom the way Fedor done it(except Nogeira) against a 7'2 365 pound man.Most heavyweight fighters would be crapping there pants in that position. What if saaaay couture,sylvia,arlovski ,Cro Cop was in that position against Choi who has a reach,weight and strength advantage?

[Beyond the Grave]

I think Choi has waaaaaay more potential in MMA than he does with Kickboxing(size,strength,reach advantage).If he can get some experience under his belt he can be a bitch to deal with.

[Hanzy]

There are much better quality videos now available on youtube of Fedor/Choi.

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[Hanzy]

Damn! That first armbar Fedor locked in was sick. Seriously, that sh*t was locked as tight as a motherf*cker and Choi escaped through his brute strength. Second time, not so lucky.

[Hanzy]

Because Fedor is a judoka, he goes for the waist area when applying takedowns. In this case, he should've tried going for the legs. Hong Man was far too big and strong to be controlled and thrown through the upper body.

[Beyond the Grave]

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[Beyond the Grave]

Because Fedor is a judoka, he goes for the waist area when applying takedowns. In this case, he should've tried going for the legs. Hong Man was far too big and strong to be controlled and thrown through the upper body.

I think Fedor just wanted it on the ground whether he was on top or not,either way he had the advantage down there.

[Hanzy]

I think Fedor just wanted it on the ground whether he was on top or not,either way he had the advantage down there.
Well I doubt he wanted it with Choi on top because that's a lot of mass to deal with. Fedor looked like he attempted to put Choi on his back and work from there either through sub or gnp. Either way, a good fighter should know how to work from any area. Something 99% of fighters can't do, especially wrestlers like Matt Hughes.:lol: It's like a fish out of water, despite all the years of training they do.

[Trplsec]

Here's the fight on Youtube...it's crappy quality.




So Choi had size, and that's it. Could he have offered his arm anymore?

This was a joke.

TFK



Yes indeed.

[Hanzy]

Here's the fight on Youtube...it's crappy quality.

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So Choi had size, and that's it. Could he have offered his arm anymore?

This was a joke.

TFK

Tim Sylvia got caught in the exact same move by Mir and had his arm snapped.

[Gh77]

It's crazy how Fedor had the first armbar in and was hanging from Choi's arm. If Choi had some skills he'd give a lot of fighters hell just because of his size.

[TFK]

Tim Sylvia got caught in the exact same move by Mir and had his arm snapped.

Yeah, but at that was a legit fight.

TFK

[Beyond the Grave]

It's crazy how Fedor had the first armbar in and was hanging from Choi's arm. If Choi had some skills he'd give a lot of fighters hell just because of his size.

Exactly.:bears:

[Hanzy]

Choi actually trains hard as you can see by his physique, he's not just some big fat idiot. Dude trains in K1 and looks like he can improve for MMA. I'd love to see how Randy Couture would deal with this guy's size and strength.

[Beyond the Grave]

Well I doubt he wanted it with Choi on top because that's a lot of mass to deal with. Fedor looked like he attempted to put Choi on his back and work from there either through sub or gnp. Either way, a good fighter should know how to work from any area. Something 99% of fighters can't do, especially wrestlers like Matt Hughes.:lol: It's like a fish out of water, despite all the years of training they do.

I watched it again and on the second takedown when choi was on his knees Fedor tried turning him to get on top but no go....I didn't expect Choi to be this freaking strong man

[Hanzy]

I watched it again and on the second takedown when choi was on his knees Fedor tried turning him to get on top but no go....I didn't expect Choi to be this freaking strong man

What do you mean, Grave? Look at the size of this human being and you can see he's got a tremendous physique and he bodybuilds. Just imagine if you clinched with a person who was more than a foot shorter than you and about 120lbs lighter. You think the little man will have an easy time overpowering you in a clinch just based on the differential in body size/mass alone?

[Beyond the Grave]

What do you mean, Grave? Look at the size of this human being and you can see he's got a tremendous physique and he bodybuilds. Just imagine if you clinched with a person who was more than a foot shorter than you and about 120lbs lighter. You think the little man will have an easy time overpowering you in a clinch just based on the differential in body size/mass alone?

Remember Giant Silva? He was huge but he didn't show any strength like this.I mean damn Fedor was hanging off his arm like backpack LOL

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WHat grave says is true Hanzy.

There have been other big guys who were nowhere near as strong as the CHoi man.

Just because you're big doesn't mean you're strong.

[Gh77]

I wonder if Choi's strategy was to just fall on Fedor and smother him. Then try to gas him and finish him it on their feet.

[FourHooks]

Well I doubt he wanted it with Choi on top because that's a lot of mass to deal with. Fedor looked like he attempted to put Choi on his back and work from there either through sub or gnp. Either way, a good fighter should know how to work from any area. Something 99% of fighters can't do, especially wrestlers like Matt Hughes.:lol: It's like a fish out of water, despite all the years of training they do.Hughes actually had an active guard against GSP in the last fight, just so happens that GSP had some even better control from the top.....Hughes isnt nearly as helpless from his back as most guys who come from wrestling backgrounds are

[Hanzy]

WHat grave says is true Hanzy.

There have been other big guys who were nowhere near as strong as the CHoi man.

Just because you're big doesn't mean you're strong.

I don't deny that at all. But Hong Man is a 27 year old kid. Giant Silva is in his 40s and is one of those pituatary gland giants. Hong Man is a superior athlete. He's not yet quite the stiff I imagine he'll be when he's about 15 years older and suffering from chronic knee problems and all sorts of other physical injuries that are a norm with huge men.

[Hanzy]

Hughes actually had an active guard against GSP in the last fight, just so happens that GSP had some even better control from the top.....Hughes isnt nearly as helpless from his back as most guys who come from wrestling backgrounds are

True. GSP is just another level of fighter altogether when he's on his game. Matt just got worked badly. Still a good fighter though. I wonder what he'll do next. Think he'll retire from competing?

[Hanzy]

I wonder if Choi's strategy was to just fall on Fedor and smother him. Then try to gas him and finish him it on their feet.

Smother him? Watch how many clean punches Choi landed on Fedor's face in his guard and look at the brusing on Fedor. Choi with some serious mma training could be tough to beat.

[Hanzy]

Remember Giant Silva? He was huge but he didn't show any strength like this.I mean damn Fedor was hanging off his arm like backpack LOL

I think Hong Man is exceptionally strong but that's a given by his appearance. That first armbar would've snapped the arm of any other fighter with the way Fedor had it locked.:lol: That was tight as hell!:eeeek:

[Trplsec]

I don't deny that at all. But Hong Man is a 27 year old kid. Giant Silva is in his 40s and is one of those pituatary gland giants. Hong Man is a superior athlete. He's not yet quite the stiff I imagine he'll be when he's about 15 years older and suffering from chronic knee problems and all sorts of other physical injuries that are a norm with huge men.

So is Hong if I'm not mistaken.

[Explosivo]

Exactly.:bears:


If Fedor had the size of Choi, he would be completely unbeatable.

Everyone can be beat, and everyone is beaten eventually. Choi is a circus act though.

[Explosivo]

I think Hong Man is exceptionally strong but that's a given by his appearance. That first armbar would've snapped the arm of any other fighter with the way Fedor had it locked.:lol: That was tight as hell!:eeeek:


No shit, that was locked, and Choi escaped it.:eeeek:

[Hanzy]

So is Hong if I'm not mistaken.

Likely but also take into account that pituatary giants start breaking down by their early 30s in most cases, which is why the age gap between 27 year old Hong and 44 year old Giant Silva is significant. Hong Man at 44 will be long broken down and retired. Giant Silva began his mma career in his 40s so he was never expected to be really any good.
Remember Andre the Giant at 26 years of age doing drop kicks off turnbuckles compared to age 40 when he was completely broken down and not even able to stand up straight while needing surgery on his legs and back just to walk?
If Hong Man is gonna make a serious run in MMA, he's got some very good years right now to train and give it a good go.

[Hanzy]

No shit, that was locked, and Choi escaped it.:eeeek:
He lifted Fedor's entire 235lb body off the ground with just his right arm. :laughing: Crazy.

[Hanzy]

If Fedor had the size of Choi, he would be completely unbeatable.

Everyone can be beat, and everyone is beaten eventually. Choi is a circus act though.

And if I was the size of King Kong, nobody would beat me either.:lol:

[Beyond the Grave]

If Fedor had the size of Choi, he would be completely unbeatable.

Everyone can be beat, and everyone is beaten eventually. Choi is a circus act though.

As we speak,yes he is a circus act....but ,to say he doesn't have potential is insane!!

[Hanzy]

As we speak,yes he is a circus act....but ,to say he doesn't have potential is insane!!

They said Bob Sapp was a circus act too. But then you see the tremendous war he gave the at-the-time reigning Pride heavyweight champion Noguira in 2002 and you know it's not true at all. Strength and size does matter if you know how to use it. Hong Man has the potential. He's obviously very difficult even for Fedor to take down which is saying something since there's no man Fedor has ever had a problem with taking down.
But ability is another thing and that's what Hong lacks, but he can still improve considerably. To use his strengths, his heavy hands.

[Bob N. Weave]

Size matters a hell of a lot more in MMA than it does in boxing. When that big ass bastard was on top of Fedor I was thinking "damn, that fuckers gotta be heavy" and "its gonna be a bitch to get out from under this guy". The proper use of ones weight and strength by a fighter while on the ground can be a huge asset for the bigger guy.

[TFK]

They said Bob Sapp was a circus act too.

And they were right.


TFK

[TFK]

I think the only person more gay for Fedor then Hanzy is Jean Claude Van Damme...


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[Beyond the Grave]

I think the only person more gay for Fedor then Hanzy is Jean Claude Van Damme...


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TFK

That didn't look right

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I think the only person more gay for Fedor then Hanzy is Jean Claude Van Damme...


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TFK

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :eeeek:

That was so utterly, intensely gay. Is Van Damme a raging homo?

[Bob N. Weave]

Ohhh man, someone has to do some photoshop fun with that one!

[Kaliber44]

I think the only person more gay for Fedor then Hanzy is Jean Claude Van Damme...


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TFK

OMG look at van damme's eyes. It looks like he wants to fuck Fedor! Even Fedor himself gets uncomofrtable there at the end.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Van Damme is lucky Fedor didn't crush him like a bug for attempting that intense gayness.

[Hanzy]

Van Damme is lucky Fedor didn't crush him like a bug for attempting that intense gayness.

Van Damme was going to have Fedor star in BloodSport 2 as his main enemy. Don't know if that's still happening.

[Beyond the Grave]

That shit was gay,did yah see Van Damme wink at Fedor in the end of that:lol:

[Explosivo]

We will only see how good Fedor is when he enters the OCTAGON.

But there is nobody at heavy who can beat Fedor there even.

[Rabid Kimba]

Van Damme was going to have Fedor star in BloodSport 2 as his main enemy. Don't know if that's still happening.

Another direct to video movie.

[valdosta]

We will only see how good Fedor is when he enters the OCTAGON.

But there is nobody at heavy who can beat Fedor there even.

Couture would have a great chance. With as easily as Fedor's face fucks up, and elbows allowed in a cage, Couture could get him down and cut him up.

[Beyond the Grave]

Couture would have a great chance. With as easily as Fedor's face fucks up, and elbows allowed in a cage, Couture could get him down and cut him up.

They'll fight this year but it won't be in the UFC,unless the change there ways.

[valdosta]

They'll fight this year but it won't be in the UFC,unless the change there ways.

The UFC don't have to change anything. They are beyond profitable. Coutures chances are a lot less anywhere else BTW.

[Beyond the Grave]

The UFC don't have to change anything. They are beyond profitable. Coutures chances are a lot less anywhere else BTW.

As a fan it would be great if they did work with other promotions,like in boxing though but they only care about UFC and "Ultimate Fighting" and could care less about MMA the sport which is understandable from the buisness side but it sucks for the the fan.