non-factors who have managed hype.....

[Double L]

eddie chambers - too small

paulie - too sucky

d. hopkins - no good at all

a. garcia - dkp mirage

who else?

[Joe King]

Edison Miranda

Panchito Bojado

[Haymaker]

:lol: I knew paulie had to be on the first list, anyway...

1-Paulie Malignancy
2-Paulie Ayala
3-Willie Jorrin
4-Jason Litzau

[ArturoGatti]

:lol: I knew paulie had to be on the first list, anyway...

1-Paulie Malignancy
2-Paulie Ayala
3-Willie Jorrin
4-Jason Litzau:dunno:

he had a pretty good career, and was a champion. How is he a "non-factor"?

[joony]

:dunno:

he had a pretty good career, and was a champion. How is he a "non-factor"?

assisted by the judges. he had a crowd pleasing style tho.

[Double L]

:dunno:

he had a pretty good career, and was a champion. How is he a "non-factor"?

i agree. he was a great fighter at 118. his problem was when he moved up in weight to chase dollars - he's just not effective above 118.

[ArturoGatti]

assisted by the judges. he had a crowd pleasing style tho.so did Erik Morales. Ayala was a solid fighter and champion, he doesen't belong in the same group as Demetrius Hopkins. :lol:

[Baron]

6 Heads Lewis

Yes he was a champ but the way he managed to lose once he stepped up seemed to prove James Page wasn't the test he was perceived to be. Hell, just after his victory over Page, some people were seeing him as a threat to Shane.:lol:


Hector Camacho Jr. "More talented and powerful than his father" :laughing:

[ArturoGatti]

6 Heads Lewis

Yes he was a champ but the way he managed to lose once he stepped up seemed to prove James Page wasn't the test he was perceived to be. Hell, just after his victory over Page, some people were seeing him as a threat to Shane.:lol:


Hector Camacho Jr. "More talented and powerful than his father" :laughing:I agree with this, he became a bum after his first loss.

[Nobleart]

Tokumbo Olajide - Shit, he even had me fooled. I thought he was the goods until he got matched up last second with a guy two weight classes above him. He's pretty much disappeared ever since.

Joe Mesi - Filled up arenas in Buffalo but never even got a title shot before Jirov ended his career as a contender

[Der Tiger]

briefly, anyhow...

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=172112&cat=boxer

[Baron]

Ricardo Williams
Dante Craig

[Mitchell Kane]

Augie Sanchez

[joony]

so did Erik Morales. Ayala was a solid fighter and champion, he doesen't belong in the same group as Demetrius Hopkins. :lol:

wtf? morales is one of the best fighters of this decade.

morales was awarded with a very close decision over barrera in their first fight. that's hardly a gift decision. barrera was also a world class fighter.

ayala got taken to school and outworked by a journeyman and ended up getting a UD in his hometown. a huge difference.

oh yea, in case you didnt know, morales kicked ayala's ass when they fought.

[Nobleart]

Ricardo Williams
Dante Craig


You can add 3/4 of all U.S. Olympic boxers to that list. Remember Michael Bennett? He bordered the Cruiserweight/Heavyweight threshold but he was supposed to be the next great Heavyweight KO artist.

Then he started getting put on queer street by club fighters with 5-6 fights on their record. :doh:

[joony]

dominick guinn. HBO started riding on his cock after he beat the comebacking michael grant.

[Nobleart]

dominick guinn. HBO started riding on his cock after he beat the comebacking michael grant.

Michael Grant can be blamed for the careers of both Dominick Guinn and Jameel McCline. :doh:

[Mitchell Kane]

dominick guinn. HBO started riding on his cock after he beat the comebacking michael grant.

Yeah, and Manny Steward should get much of the blame for this...a lot of people bought in to what he was selling before it became apparent how much of a shill he was.

Bojado could probably go on this list.

[ArturoGatti]

wtf? morales is one of the best fighters of this decade.

morales was awarded with a very close decision over barrera in their first fight. that's hardly a gift decision. barrera was also a world class fighter.

ayala got taken to school and outworked by a journeyman and ended up getting a UD in his hometown. a huge difference.

oh yea, in case you didnt know, morales kicked ayala's ass when they fought.Morales had more than one controversial decision go his way. I was not comparing the two, just that you can't say he was a hype job because he had a few close decisions go his way and because he was an exciting fighter.

And yeah, I did know that Morales kicked his ass when they fought.

[joony]

Morales had more than one controversial decision go his way. I was not comparing the two, just that you can't say he was a hype job because he had a few close decisions go his way and because he was an exciting fighter.

And yeah, I did know that Morales kicked his ass when they fought.

who else beat morales besides raheem, barrera and pac?

only other close fight he had was against espadas, which i thought he won.

[ArturoGatti]

who else beat morales besides raheem, barrera and pac?

only other close fight he had was against espadas, which i thought he won.most would disagree.

[joony]

most would disagree.

morales won 7 rounds. espadas started slow as shit, but came on strong towards the end.

that fight is kinda like floyd/castillo I. debatable, but not a complete robbery.

[meetthefeebles]

Audley 'A-Force' Harrison is a boxing millionaire... :eeeek: :lol:

[ArturoGatti]

morales won 7 rounds. espadas started slow as shit, but came on strong towards the end.

that fight is kinda like floyd/castillo I. debatable, but not a complete robbery.the bottom line is, Paulie Ayala is not a hype-job. That's all I'm trying to say.

[joony]

the bottom line is, Paulie Ayala is not a hype-job. That's all I'm trying to say.

that i agree. he was a world class fighter. but then again, i dont recall anyone calling him a great fighter nor was he that highly regarded even when he was at his best.

[mikE]

that i agree. he was a world class fighter. but then again, i dont recall anyone calling him a great fighter nor was he that highly regarded even when he was at his best.

Exactly.

I thought he outboxed the hell out of Tapia, but regardless, he doesn't belong in this thread. He wasn't over or under-hyped because he wasn't hyped.

[Mitchell Kane]

that i agree. he was a world class fighter. but then again, i dont recall anyone calling him a great fighter nor was he that highly regarded even when he was at his best.

Well, he did win Fighter of the Year, in what was the Fight of the Year, after beating Tapia but that's because it was a very down year.

I don't remember anybody over-rating him even after he won the award.

The highest he was ever regarded was probably after the Adams rematch, which he dominated...and sort of leads into the other thread, because the first Adams fight seemed to effectively end Bones' career (though I have no idea how he's looked since his comeback).

[Mitchell Kane]

Exactly.

I thought he outboxed the hell out of Tapia, but regardless, he doesn't belong in this thread. He wasn't over or under-hyped because he wasn't hyped.

Yeah, I never understood the controversy regarding the Tapia fight (primarily the second, which seemed to be the more controversial)...except that Tapia was a house fighter for Showtime. Tapia ran his mouth afterwards and Dean Chance's actions certainly played a part in the fight was viewed (and I think Ring magazine ended up ranking Tapia above Ayala in their rankings after this fight), but I didn't really understand any of it.

[Rubio MHS]

Jose Luis Castillo. He lost to Johnston twice, Mayweather twice, Casamayor, Hatton, N'gosdissjdfja... He managed to get about four or five shit decisions and win five rounds against Floyd Mayweather and he was a great fighter? He was barely world-class.

[Tam Tam]

Joony is a fucken mook if he thinks Ayala was a "non-factor". Dude was Ring Magazines FOTY and a P4P entrant for a while there. No brainer.

[Mitchell Kane]

Jose Luis Castillo. He lost to Johnston twice, Mayweather twice, Casamayor, Hatton, N'gosdissjdfja... He managed to get about four or five shit decisions and win five rounds against Floyd Mayweather and he was a great fighter? He was barely world-class.

Rational and well thought out. :bears:

[joony]

Yeah, I never understood the controversy regarding the Tapia fight (primarily the second, which seemed to be the more controversial)...except that Tapia was a house fighter for Showtime. Tapia ran his mouth afterwards and Dean Chance's actions certainly played a part in the fight was viewed (and I think Ring magazine ended up ranking Tapia above Ayala in their rankings after this fight), but I didn't really understand any of it.

stevie johnston should've won fighter of the year that year.

i thought tapia clearly won the rematch.

btw, bones adams sucked.

[Rubio MHS]

btw, bones adams sucked.Any American bantamweight's going to get attention.

[Tam Tam]

:lol: Now Bones Adams sucked. Joony is on a rol today.

[joony]

tapia's another fighter who's been vastly overrated. his career defining win came against danny romero.

[joony]

:lol: Now Bones Adams sucked. Joony is on a rol today.

he would've beaten fenech tho. :lol:

[Mitchell Kane]

tapia's another fighter who's been vastly overrated. his career defining win came against danny romero.

Romero was a good fighter.

He moved up in weight right after that loss and I thought he beat Bungu for the super bantam title.

[Rubio MHS]

Romero was a good fighter.

He moved up in weight right after that loss and I thought he beat Bungu for the super bantam title.So did I, but he lost his next big fight.

[Mitchell Kane]

stevie johnston should've won fighter of the year that year.

i thought tapia clearly won the rematch.

btw, bones adams sucked.

Johnston had an argument, though it would've been based on volume more than anything as Ayala's win over Tapia was a much bigger win than any individual win Johnston had that year.

I disagree with you about the rematch.

Adams was a good fighter and solid champion, though I never considered him as good as the FNF crew led on...and the "p4p baddest white boy around" talk (and attire) was a bit much.

[mikE]

Yeah, I never understood the controversy regarding the Tapia fight (primarily the second, which seemed to be the more controversial)...except that Tapia was a house fighter for Showtime. Tapia ran his mouth afterwards and Dean Chance's actions certainly played a part in the fight was viewed (and I think Ring magazine ended up ranking Tapia above Ayala in their rankings after this fight), but I didn't really understand any of it.

I don't remember the Ring stuff. Interesting.

This did remind me about Ayala taking short money in the rematch. It was a very cool move he said he was doing for the fans. And it was very atypical at that time.

[Mitchell Kane]

So did I, but he lost his next big fight.

Yeah, but he was considered a huge puncher at super fly. That perception may have been wrong, but that's how he was regarded at the weight before the Tapia fight.

[joony]

romero was a good fighter? i remember seeing him get busted up by old williy salazar on espn.

ayala was a good fighter, but nothing special. like i said, that year when he won fighter of the year was based on that single win over tapia.

johnston that year had beaten bazan in a rematch, an unbeaten rios, and manfredy (who was coming off a win over robinson who twice had beaten gatti).

[Mitchell Kane]

I don't remember the Ring stuff. Interesting.

This did remind me about Ayala taking short money in the rematch. It was a very cool move he said he was doing for the fans. And it was very atypical at that time.

Yeah, If I remember correctly Ring did the same thing after the Morales-Barrera I.

Ayala did make several concessions for the rematch...I think Ring Magazine outlined them at the time.

[Mitchell Kane]

romero was a good fighter? i remember seeing him get busted up by old williy salazar on espn.

ayala was a good fighter, but nothing special. like i said, that year when he won fighter of the year was based on that single win over tapia.

johnston that year had beaten bazan in a rematch, an unbeaten rios, and manfredy (who was coming off a win over robinson who twice had beaten gatti).

He narrowly beat Baza in the rematch and looked pedestrian against Rios. He beat Manfredy clearly, but Manfredy would lose to a lot of champions clearly.

[Joe King]

Paulie Ayala and Jose Luis Castillo have been mentioned as non factors. I think this thread is heading in the wrong direction at warp speed.

[Octopus]

dominick guinn. HBO started riding on his cock after he beat the comebacking michael grant.


No,it was after his fight with Duncan Donuts that started all the hype for Guinn:nono:

[Tam Tam]

'Dom Guinn is the next Joe Louis' - every second prick on the internet.

[Mitchell Kane]

No,it was after his fight with Duncan Donuts that started all the for Guinn:nono:

That whole Night Of The Young Heavyweights card was an embarrassment for HBO.

It's ironic that the two who became the most accomplished heavyweights that fought on the card (Peter, Lyakhovich) weren't even televised by the network.

[Tam Tam]

Mo Bettah > White Tree Stump

[Mitchell Kane]

'Dom Guinn is the next Joe Louis' - every second prick on the internet.

Yeah, at least when HBO was hyping up Mesi almost nobody bought into it.

[joony]

larry merchant said guinn was the best american heavyweight he's seen since riddick bowe. hahahahaha

jc. gomez was the best fighter on that garbage card.

[Tam Tam]

Yeah, at least when HBO was hyping up Mesi almost nobody bought into it.

:doh:

What We Need From The Heavyweights - 2/16/2004
by Craig Medaris

Full Page Format?



Well, just like every other year, 2003 came and went just like that. Overall, it was a pretty good year for boxing. Manny Pacquiao, James Toney, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley and Mark Johnson all stepped up and had big years. Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather and Roy Jones just kept on doing what they do best – winning. Ricardo Mayorga, Rafael Marquez and Oscar Larios finally got the recognition that they deserve. Oscar de la Hoya once again showed that he could still make millions, regardless of whom he is fighting. Also, 2003 quite possibly signalled the beginning of the end for top-flight champions such as Marco Antonio Barrera, Vernon Forrest, Rosendo Alvarez, Kostya Tszyu, Sven Ottke and Vassily Jirov.

Basically, 2003 was just like every other year – we had our ups and downs. The only problem was the sports glamour division, which seemingly had just about the worst year in its long and storied history. In fact, the biggest heavyweight waves were cast by a couple of former middleweights, Roy Jones and James Toney. Now with the retirement of the recognized World Heavyweight Champion, Lennox Lewis, heavyweight boxing needs to take active steps to avoid falling back into the doldrums of the early and mid 1980s. Here are four ways to help make sure that boxing’s glamour division continues to shine in 2004 and beyond.

1. Make Vitali Klitschko vs. Corrie Sanders Happen Now! Lewis’s retirement actually did boxing a big favor. It ended the hostage situation that Lewis kept the division in since defeating Vitali Klitschko last June. So what to do? Suffice it to say, Vitali Klitschko versus Corrie Sanders must be sanctioned by the WBC to fill the championship vacancy created by Lewis’s retirement. That is the only fight really makes sense for a variety of reasons.


(Klitschko has earned a shot at the vacant world title)

First, the media and fans alike have thirsted for more of Sanders since his unbelievable dominating knockout of the heavyweight golden boy, Wladimir Klitschko last summer. That win put Sanders squarely in the heavyweight title mix and made him a realistic player for the upper echelon of the division looking for a marquee match-up. Roy Jones Jr. came calling after snatching John Ruiz’s WBA title, but the corrupt WBO quickly squashed that mega fight by enforcing its mandatory rules for the first time in recent memory. Nonetheless, Sanders walked away from the fringe WBO title in search of a mega fight as he understands that he must strike while the iron is hot – alas, he’s not getting any younger at 37 years old.

Second, like it or not, the public believes that Vitali Klitschko was on his way to defeating Lennox Lewis for the world title before the fight got stopped on cuts. Sure, Vitali faired better against the champ in the first three rounds than any of his other foes not named Hasim or Oliver. Whether he would have won or not is immaterial. He won the hearts of the thousands of fans in Los Angeles and the millions watching on HBO. He followed that up with a complete obliteration of former title challenger, and the once highly regarded, Kirk Johnson, to further bolster his fan support. So why not let him fight for the vacant title?


(Sanders (left) earned a shot at Vitali by beating younger brother Wladimir (right))

Luckily for fight fans, the WBC did the right thing and elevated Sanders in its rankings to put him in position to fight the Vitali Klitschko for the vacant world title in the event that Lewis retired. Well, he did. So now it’s time for them to force that bout and I call for the Ring magazine and the rest of the boxing public to recognize the winner of that bout as the World Heavyweight Champion.

2. Get Mike Tyson Back in the Ring ASAP! Let’s accept a few basic truths in boxing. First, Mike Tyson is the king of boxing pay per view. He is one of only two fighters who can generate almost a million PPV buys with little more than a sparring match. Why? Many fans love to hate him. Even more tune in out of morbid curiosity. And others watch because they still grasp the notion that Iron Mike can reappear in all his thunderous glory if he would just focus.


(He still holds the key to big money)

Regardless of which group you fall into, the fact remains that Tyson gets your attention. That’s a good thing for boxing. Imagine if Tyson won a world title again. It would be huge for the sport. At 37, he’s not too old or too shop worn. So let’s get Mike back in the ring 3 times in 2004 and 3 more times in 2005 before he walks away. Win or lose, Tyson shines a light on both himself and his opponent. Thus, boxing can use him to showcase rising heavyweight stars or validate existing top talent if they can beat him. But it can also showcase other heavyweight fighters televised undercards in very competitive fights. Either way, Mike Tyson holds the key to reenergizing the heavyweight PPV market.

3. Chris Byrd Needs to Step Up! Chris finally looked to have been given his big break last year. After he beat Evander Holyfield to win the IBF’s version of the heavyweight title on HBO, Byrd hoped that the A-list of heavyweight stars hungry for a title (or looking for unification) would put his name on their shortlist of opponents. Wrong. What he got was another few months of being ducked and dodged by the other top heavies before Don King finally stepped in and put one his former hot heavyweight stars, Fres Oquendo, in the ring with Byrd to try and jump start on of their careers. HBO came calling to once again to bring the fight to the living rooms of the boxing public. But Chris didn’t exactly grasp this opportunity with two hands. In fact, he nearly dropped the ball altogether.

After a lackluster display of counterpunching and defensive skills, Byrd won a controversial decision that seemed to shock even those in his corner that night. As expected, his performance did nothing to enhance Byrd’s drawing power as the IBF champion. While this writer still believes he should be ranked as the number one contender to the crown, many scribes (along with the general masses) view Vitali Klitschko as the heir apparent. Nevertheless, Byrd has the opportunity to make unification of the heavyweight belts interesting if he’s willing to take a gamble by changing his style.


(Byrd (right) makes most look silly with his defensive skills)

Chris is a safety first fighter, who makes his living by making his opponents look bad. He can stand in front of you and make you miss five shots in a row, and then return six rapid fire, albeit feather-fisted counterpunches to win rounds. That’s real talent for a heavyweight. The problem is not so much that he’s a defensive wizard; it’s mostly because Chris just doesn’t have a heavyweight punch. He has been described in the past as being a “pity pat puncher” or a heavyweight who brings a middleweight punch into the ring. And that’s not far from the truth.

The fact remains that heavyweight division has basically always been one dominated by a prolific puncher or a man with tremendous heart. Heavyweight champions such as Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, Joe Louis, George Foreman, Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson all inspired a certain amount of fear into their opponent and made a heavyweight championship fight, a spectacle. That’s always been what the fans have longed for and unless you had Muhammad Ali’s brash mouth and skills to back it up or Evander Holyfield’s all out style and heart to match, you’re going to struggle at the box office. If you want to make it big this year, its time to start taking some necessary risks. Bite the bullet, sit down on your punches, and risk getting hit to land your version of a heavyweight. Only then will you make your fights more appealing to the boxing public. And only then can you help revitalize a stagnant heavyweight division.

[Mitchell Kane]

larry merchant said guinn was the best american heavyweight he's seen since riddick bowe. hahahahaha

jc. gomez was the best fighter on that garbage card.

Not the best heavyweight.

Gomez-Jirov was certainly a great fight that should have happened.

[Tam Tam]

....and...

4. It’s Time for Jones Jr., Toney, Brothers Klitschko and Baby Joe! Suffice it to say that Roy Jones Jr., James Toney, the Klitschko brothers and Baby Joe Mesi all have the opportunity to make a special mark in the heavyweight division. Roy Jones Jr. is the most gifted boxer to come along since Muhamad Ali. When it’s all said and done, he will be talked about among the best, pound-for-pound, to ever lace up a pair of gloves. Early last year, Jones did what no other prizefighter has done in the past 100 years. He won a piece of the heavyweight title as a former middleweight champion. That allure right there led to Jones-Ruiz doing a respectable 600,000 ppv buys. Yes, that’s paltry compared to Tyson or Holyfield standards, but Jones is the only heavyweight out there not named Mike Tyson that can guarantee the world one million plus buys. Put him in the ring with Vitali Klitschko, David Tua, James Toney or Joe Mesi and you will get one million buys. Put him in against Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis (in a comeback match) and you are GUARANTEED to break the all-time PPV record by surpassing the two million mark. Only Jones can do that. Nobody else. So what’s up Roy?


(Toney is now deep in the HW mix)

James Toney is a fighter who has come back from the dead. People all over the world love comeback stories. So they embraced Toney after he defeated Vassily Jirov to win the cruiserweight title, and then they embraced him further as he jumped to heavyweight to knock out a deteriorated Evander Holyfield. The world will watch if Toney lands a fight with Byrd, Ruiz, Jones or a Klitschko. If he can beat one of those men, his future PPV draw grows even more. Why? He’s what the world wants in a fighter – a brash, fearless trash talker who has the skills to back up his big mouth. Sign Toney to a mega heavyweight fight and he’ll make the world tune in!

The brothers Klitschko elevated themselves from Eurpoean phenomenon to world recognized fighters over the past few years. Big, bright, well spoken and clean cut, the Ukranian giants are tailor made for Madison Avenue endorsements. Vitali’s unbelievable show of heart against Lennox Lewis outshines his mechanical fighting style. And Wladimir’s magazine looks and fluid athleticism makes him the perfect candidate to carry boxing into the next decade. Of course, Wlad has some rehabilitation to do after getting blown away by Sanders late last year. But in the what have you done for me lately world of heavyweight boxing, fans have a short memory. One win over a quality opponent will make fans and pundits desperate to jump back on the Wlad bandwagon. If either or both men can step up in 2004 and produce two or three big wins, then the heavyweight division and the hearts of fans all over the globe are theirs for the taking.


(Mesi is in line for his shot at HW gold)

America has a love affair with a man named Baby Joe Mesi. He may be the only fighter on the earth not named Mike Tyson that is capable of selling out a football stadium for a heavyweight title match. The undefeated prospect nearly blew his chances at multi-million dollar fights by an average performance against Monte Barrett on HBO. But everyone gets a hall pass for an off night. Mesi returns to the ring on March 13th to challenge former cruiserweight kingpin Vassily Jirov in an oddly matched bout. If he can devastate Jirov with his size and power, Mesi will unlock the keys to boxing’s storied past as he brings a world title bout, or a fight with Mike Tyson, to Ralph Wilson Stadium – the home of the Buffalo Bills. Call him the great white hype or great white hope if you want. The reality is that white heavyweights have always been a unique draw in modern boxing history. If Mesi can live up to the hype by winning even a fringe world title AND beating Mike Tyson, he holds the keys to untold riches. He can become the heavyweight box office version of Oscar de la Hoya. Believe!



__________________________________________________ __________


Do you have thoughts on this feature? editor@InsideFighting.com

[joony]

Not the best heavyweight.

Gomez-Jirov was certainly a great fight that should have happened.

he wasnt?

who else was on that card? gomez beat i am sam, who was probably the second best heavy on that card.

peter is probably the best from that entire card, but back then he was merely a propsect.

[Mitchell Kane]

:doh:

I don't get it.

[Mitchell Kane]

he wasnt?

who else was on that card? gomez beat i am sam, who was probably the second best heavy on that card.

peter is probably the best from that entire card, but back then he was merely a propsect.

I think Lyakhovich is better than Peter.

Gomez has to beat someone other than McCall for me to consider him the best from that card...and he didn't help himself by following that win up showing up in the condition he did against Diaz getting KO'd in the first.

[joony]

I think Lyakhovich is better than Peter.

Gomez has to beat someone other than McCall for me to consider him the best from that card...and he didn't help himself by following that win up showing up in the condition he did against Diaz get KO'd in the first.

gomez-lyakhovich is a toss up.

gomez got stopped by yanqui doodle, but he showed up fat and got stopped on his feet. lykahovich got stopped by mo harris and briggs both of whom weren't even in the top 10.

gomez is up for a shot at the winner of peter-maskaev so we'll see how he does against the winner.

if maskaev somehow beats peter, i'd probably bet on gomez to outbox maskaev.

[Tam Tam]

I think Lyakhovich is better than Peter.

Gomez has to beat someone other than McCall for me to consider him the best from that card...and he didn't help himself by following that win up showing up in the condition he did against Diaz getting KO'd in the first.
Lyakhovich is trash, IMO. Good orthodox skills, but has absolutely no second or third gear. He's also horribly lazy.

I think he's your typical, skilled Euro. But nothing more than an average heavyweight. A lifetime top 20 kind of guy and little more.

[ElTerriblee]

Gomez will be fighting Virchis in a WBC title eliminator. Very interesting fight. The winner will fight Peter, Maskaev or Vitali in 2011. :clap:

[Tam Tam]

Gomez will be fighting Virchis in a WBC title eliminator. Very interesting fight. The winner will fight Peter, Maskaev or Vitali in 2011. :clap:
Hmmm. Druggie vs Steroid abuser. Heavyweight boxing in 2008. You gotta love it!

[Mitchell Kane]

gomez-lyakhovich is a toss up.

gomez got stopped by yanqui doodle, but he showed up fat and got stopped on his feet. lykahovich got stopped by mo harris and briggs both of whom weren't even in the top 10.

gomez is up for a shot at the winner of peter-maskaev so we'll see how he does against the winner.

if maskaev somehow beats peter, i'd probably bet on gomez to outbox maskaev.

Lyakhovich certainly didn't look good against Briggs, though I think that's partly because the Cannon rung his bell early.

[Rubio MHS]

Lyakhovich certainly didn't look good against Briggs, though I think that's partly because the Cannon rung his bell early.Or maybe it was because he never looked good in his life except against a fat, injured Lamon Brewster?

[Mitchell Kane]

Or maybe it was because he never looked good in his life except against a fat, injured Lamon Brewster?

If that's your opinion, that's fine.

I happen to think he'd do pretty well against the three current champions not named Wladimir Klitschko.

He should beat Valuev when he fights him...I think Peter would probably lose to 7-footer.

[Rubio MHS]

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If that's your opinion, that's fine.

I happen to think he'd do pretty well against the three current champions not named Wladimir Klitschko.

He should beat Valuev when he fights him...I think Peter would probably lose to 7-footer.Even if he does beat Bigfoot, so what? John Ruiz, Larry Donald and Ruslan Chagaev pretty much had their way with him. I would be shocked if that freak beat Peter legitimately.

[Haymaker]

paulie ayala was a non-factor, he was popular in texas and that's it, a glorified ESPN fighter.

[Rubio MHS]

paulie ayala was a non-factor, he was popular in texas and that's it, a glorified ESPN fighter.For a bantamweight, that practically makes him Sugar Ray Leonard.

[KaukipRrr]

Zab Judah

[Rubio MHS]

Zab JudahHe was undisputed World Welterweight Champion and pehaps the most talented boxer of his generation. I think that the hype is what made him a non-factor.

[Nobleart]

He was undisputed World Welterweight Champion and pehaps the most talented boxer of his generation. I think that the hype is what made him a non-factor.


I agree with your sentiments that he shouldn't be mentioned in this thread..............but by "his generation" you mean "his family"........right?

I agree. Zab IS better then Daniel Judah.


:lol:

[Rubio MHS]

Zab Judah is just as talented as Floyd Mayweather, if not more. He simply lacks the intelligence, drive, heart and dedication.

[Tam Tam]

Zab Judah is just as talented as Floyd Mayweather, if not more. He simply lacks the intelligence, drive, heart and dedication.
....skills, brains, timing...basically every single thing besides handspeed. Judah's "talent" is as overrated as Lacy's power.

[Rubio MHS]

Agreed. Make that "physically talented."

[Octopus]

Zab Judah is just as talented as Floyd Mayweather.


:bears:

[ArturoGatti]

Allan Green. He is pretty good, nowhere as good as the hype he got after destroying Codrington.