Is anyone else watching the Khan- St Clare undercard...?

[meetthefeebles]

Seriously, someone needs to take Warren outside and smash this moolie all around the car park- that first fight was a complete and utter waste of time. It could have been one of the biggest mismatches I have ever seen. :dunno:

[meetthefeebles]

Lol- I stand corrected: the first round of Ross Minter v Michael Jennings was a barnstormer... :lol: :blobbox:

ADDENDUM

So was round two... WAR MINTER!!

[meetthefeebles]

This fight is excellent- Jennings has just smashed Minter to the canvas in round 4, but the bell came just in time.

[meetthefeebles]

Minter deserves a lot of credit in this fight so far- he looked like he was on his was to be stopped in the 5th but he has shown real heart to stick in and he definitely took that 7th round.

Could go either way now: a real good slug-fest this

[meetthefeebles]

lol- Minter pretty much dominates the 8th, and then he walks clean into a flush uppercut and was out on his feet. Completely out. He sort of fell on Jennings and just as he was about to be KTFO, the bell went... :lol:

[meetthefeebles]

What an excellent fight that was- Jennings knocks a very brave Minter on his back right at the end of the 9th, and after he gets up, he takes more punishment and the towel is thrown in.

Great left hook to end the fight, and a really enjoyable bout overall.

'Still the WBU Welterweight Champion of the World'... No doubt Floyd will be shitting himself :lol:

[r o o s t e r]

Oh Chinus Maximus, grant my wish: punish the evildoer Frank Warren and his puppet-king Amir Khan.

WAR ST CLAIR

[mexican wedding shirt]

Frunk Werren is a nonce.

[meetthefeebles]

That's as good a fight as I've seen for a little while- two good (but in no way elite) fighters standing in the middle of the ring trying to knock the other clean out.

Michael Jennings looked good tonight- quick hands, good power and he did well in taking some pretty clean shots from Minter, who I thought looked stronger generally, hit a little harder than Jennings but has almost no lateral movement to speak of and is therefore always there to be hit.

I'd like to see Jennings moving up a level and taking a chance or two- sitting around with that WBU trinket forever and a day can't be the limit of his ambition, surely?

[meetthefeebles]

Frunk Werren is a nonce.

Couldn't agree more Mex- he's a poisonous little shit...

[meetthefeebles]

Oh Chinus Maximus, grant my wish: punish the evildoer Frank Warren and his puppet-king Amir Khan.

WAR ST CLAIR

At least St Clair is a fucking live opponent. Which means that, after tonight, Khan has finally faced...one

[who?]

i hope kahn gets knocked out.

[meetthefeebles]

i hope kahn gets knocked out.

I think everyone does :lol:

ITV comparing Khan to Sugar Ray Leanard. :laughing: :nono:

[meetthefeebles]

St Clair in the ring. Khan on his way now... :slap:

[meetthefeebles]

The ring intros were great- St Clair sounded like a mook whilst Khan was introduced like the P4P king of the world...

One good thing mind- no friggin national anthem nonsense.

Fight underway :slap:

[meetthefeebles]

Very cagey first round- Khan trying to pick his shots rather than his usual style of just throwing loads of shots. Not a great deal got through, to be fair. St Clair covering up well.

Probably Khan's round on workrate :dunno:

[meetthefeebles]

Almost identical second round- Khan jabbing and picking shots but mainly hitting gloves. Very high, 'peek-a-boo' defense from St Clair looks tight. Also, Khan looks susceptible to the right cross.

Khan again on work IMO

[meetthefeebles]

It's like watching the same round over and over again- 3rd is an identikit of the first two, with Khan throwing most of the punches and hitting mainly gloves. He doesn't seem to want to open up.

Khan is DEFINATELY susceptible to the right cross though...

[meetthefeebles]

St Clair has actually thrown a few punches in round 4, and when he throws he looks like he can hit Khan, but he is being even more cagey than Khan is, who is still working behind the jab and doesn't seem to want to open up at all.

Khan is winning rounds simply by throwing more shots, even though he isn't landing much at all...

The commentary, BTW, is appalling :doh:

[Orthodox Crusader]

It's like watching the same round over and over again- 3rd is an identikit of the first two, with Khan throwing most of the punches and hitting mainly gloves. He doesn't seem to want to open up.

Khan is DEFINATELY susceptible to the right cross though...


Yeah but Gary St Clair is a former featherweight champeen, its only natural that Kahn should be cautious against the naturally larger man.:laughing:

[Orthodox Crusader]

St Clair has actually thrown a few punches in round 4, and when he throws he looks like he can hit Khan, but he is being even more cagey than Khan is, who is still working behind the jab and doesn't seem to want to open up at all.

Khan is winning rounds simply by throwing more shots, even though he isn't landing much at all...

The commentary, BTW, is appalling :doh:

You should have heard it on the Irish tele tonight for Andy Lee. Sweet jesus. The one thing that always separated boxing from say, Tennis, was that as biased as the crowd was you could always rely on the commentator to do right and call it as it was.

Thats not the case anymore.

Thanks for the updates BTW.

St Clair might be waiting for Kahn to get a bit ragged.

[meetthefeebles]

You should have heard it on the Irish tele tonight for Andy Lee. Sweet jesus. The one thing that always separated boxing from say, Tennis, was that as biased as the crowd was you could always rely on the commentator to do right and call it as it was.

Thats not the case anymore.

Thanks for the updates BTW.

St Clair might be waiting for Kahn to get a bit ragged.

This is EXACTLY what he is doing, IMO.

5th round is exactly the same- Khan working more and hitting gloves whilst St Clair sits back, covers up and looks to throw what I presume he must feel is the money right hand.

I would expect St Clair is trying to make Khan go late for the first time and then open up...

[Orthodox Crusader]

This is EXACTLY what he is doing, IMO.

5th round is exactly the same- Khan working more and hitting gloves whilst St Clair sits back, covers up and looks to throw what I presume he must feel is the money right hand.

I would expect St Clair is trying to make Khan go late for the first time and then open up...

Then again Gary might just be happy to cover up, get paid and go home. This is a Frank Warren production, after all.:rolleyes:

[meetthefeebles]

Much better 6th round.

As predicted, St Clair has just started to open up. Khan caught clean with two BIG overhand rights and some decent body shots. Khan still hitting gloves. This looks like it is getting interesting.

St Clair's round, definitely...

[r o o s t e r]

this khan prick looks like a joke. st clair won the last round.

[meetthefeebles]

this khan prick looks like a joke. st clair won the last round.

You really don't like Khan, huh Rooster? :lol:

[r o o s t e r]

ridiculous two-handed pushes from khan. the ref is a mute.

[meetthefeebles]

St Clair needs to have a long hard look at himself- he spent the 7th round back in his shell whilst Khan wins it simply because he is working more (though hitting almost nothing at all).

If St Clair fucking opens up with right hands, he can win this fight, no doubt...

[Orthodox Crusader]

ridiculous two-handed pushes from khan. the ref is a mute.


A mute???

In America they can't get the refs to STFU.

Mute is gooooooooooood.

Its DEAF and Blind you have to worry about.

This could be a big coup for militant Islam if Khan wins. They can say he beat a Saint.:laughing:

[Orthodox Crusader]

St Clair needs to have a long hard look at himself- he spent the 7th round back in his shell whilst Khan wins it simply because he is working more (though hitting almost nothing at all).

If St Clair fucking opens up with right hands, he can win this fight, no doubt...

yeah but....Amir made him do that. Amir could beat Ike Williams and Benny Leonard in the same weekend.

[meetthefeebles]

A mute???

In America they can't get the refs to STFU.

Mute is gooooooooooood.

Its DEAF and Blind you have to worry about.

This could be a big coup for militant Islam if Khan wins. They can say he beat a Saint.:laughing:

:lol:

[meetthefeebles]

Good 8th round by Khan- much better work and he's working the body now, sensibly, trying to drag St Clair's high guard down.

First round that Khan has really landed anything- definitely his round

[r o o s t e r]

flapping flurries, push after push, then thrusts his body headfirst into st clair. "like a young sugar ray leonard."

[Orthodox Crusader]

flapping flurries, push after push, then thrusts his body headfirst into st clair. "like a young sugar ray leonard."

By young I assume they mean foetal, or embryonic, at best.

[meetthefeebles]

By young I assume they mean foetal, or embryonic, at best.

Anything beyond sperm and ova is optimistic...

[Orthodox Crusader]

Anything beyond sperm and ova is optimistic...


Zygote. I would give him SRL Zygote Status.

[meetthefeebles]

9th round very similar to the 8th, though St Clair showed a greater willingness to trade. Khan working the body more but St Clair looks like he will walk through anything Khan will throw.

Khan's round again...

[Orthodox Crusader]

9th round very similar to the 8th, though St Clair showed a greater willingness to trade. Khan working the body more but St Clair looks like he will walk through anything Khan will throw.

Khan's round again...


To have that size and youth advantage and not be able to KO a smaller shopworn man....or at least bady fucking shake him up. Amir should go back to fighting brain damaged guys like Earl and Limond. Or maybe just Earl.

[meetthefeebles]

I just can't understand St Clair at all- every time he throws that right hand he lands it, and there doesn't seem anyway that Khan can knock him out, but he just doesn't want to fucking throw them.

St Clair landed two good rights at the end of the round, but he did almost nothing else and loses the round simply on work again.

St Clair has 2 rounds left to friggin' open up and THROW THE RIGHT HAND

[meetthefeebles]

To have that size and youth advantage and not be able to KO a smaller shopworn man....or at least bady fucking shake him up. Amir should go back to fighting brain damaged guys like Earl and Limond. Or maybe just Earl.

Too risky- might KO Khan this time... :lol:

[Orthodox Crusader]

Too risky- might KO Khan this time... :lol:


Like I said. Maybe just Earl.

St Clair has been instructed to make this look good and to get Khan some rounds in. Thats all.

[meetthefeebles]

11th round is the same again- Khan wins it because he is throwing shots and St Clair just isn't. It's like he's got cramp in both arms and can't throw any punches. :dunno:

ITV- 'This is a virtuoso performance by Amir Khan' :laughing: :warning:

[meetthefeebles]

Like I said. Maybe just Earl.

St Clair has been instructed to make this look good and to get Khan some rounds in. Thats all.

That's my thoughts exactly...

[Orthodox Crusader]

11th round is the same again- Khan wins it because he is throwing shots and St Clair just isn't. It's like he's got cramp in both arms and can't throw any punches. :dunno:

ITV- 'This is a virtuoso performance by Amir Khan' :laughing: :warning:

ITV commentary are obviously confusing "Virtuoso" and "Solo".

[meetthefeebles]

The 12th is no different at all to any round bar the 6th- Khan working behind the jab and throwing punches, unlike his opponent, who is throwing absolutely fuck all.

If he threw any more than 50 punches in the fight, I'll be amazed.

Khan did enough to win, his work rate was good and his hand speed is still top drawer, but he never looked like he was ever going to hurt St Clair, whose inability to throw punches, especially the right hand which landed on each of the 15 times he threw the damn thing.

ITV are an absolute disgrace...

[meetthefeebles]

Score cards:

120 - 108
120 - 108
120 - 108

Winner- Amir Khan

[meetthefeebles]

Well, I had the 6th to St Clair, but Khan won the others. Poor fight, because St Clair didn't seem to want to do any fighting. Very odd.

The first fighter Khan takes on who is capable of throwing an right cross will KO him.

I'm off to the pub before it shuts...:lol:

[r o o s t e r]

a load of pushing bullshit, with not a peek from the ref, and he was still getting caught with right haymakers in rd 12.

jim rosenthal: "and that was absolute perfection from amir khan"

[Orthodox Crusader]

The 12th is no different at all to any round bar the 6th- Khan working behind the jab and throwing punches, unlike his opponent, who is throwing absolutely fuck all.

If he threw any more than 50 punches in the fight, I'll be amazed.

Khan did enough to win, his work rate was good and his hand speed is still top drawer, but he never looked like he was ever going to hurt St Clair, whose inability to throw punches, especially the right hand which landed on each of the 15 times he threw the damn thing.

ITV are an absolute disgrace...

Thats pathetic from Khan, but I knew that even slight steps up in class against guys who really didn't want to be there could result in him looking far from special.

Thanks for the updates.

I sincerely doubt ITV had much to say that was realistic or objective, but its par for the course these days, where the TV are as much a part of the promotional tool as the promoter and his blather. Can you imagine Don Dunphy calling a fight like this?? Or even Colonel Sanders?? ITV are happy just to have the fights so they toe the line.

[Orthodox Crusader]

a load of pushing bullshit, with not a peek from the ref, and he was still getting caught with right haymakers in rd 12.

jim rosenthal: "and that was absolute perfection from amir khan"

And Rosenthal is Jewish. The Pakistanis must be convinced Khan is something REALLY fucking special.

You see, this is the sort of shite I am talking about.....its the same with Christiano Ronaldo, but nobody likes to say that the Emperor has no Clothes.

[salaco]

I thought he did ok, he obviously had a lot of respect for St Clair as he didnt put a lot of weight behind his shots and St Clair is hardly a dangerous puncher, the latter mostly played safe and barely won a round, took some good shots...the hype might be ridiculous but Khan is talented, he's ready for a number of the LW contenders now if they push him forward

[Orthodox Crusader]

Score cards:

120 - 108
120 - 108
120 - 108

Winner- Amir Khan

Thats unfair scoring from what I have heard.

[Orthodox Crusader]

I thought he did ok, he obviously had a lot of respect for St Clair as he didnt put a lot of weight behind his shots and St Clair is hardly a dangerous puncher, the latter mostly played safe and barely won a round, took some good shots...the hype might be ridiculous but Khan is talented, he's ready for a number of the LW contenders now if they push him forward

Why did he pitty patty around with a former 130lb fighter??

This guy was dropping decisions years ago, like 7 years ago, not to mention now, ffs.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Anyways I have to hit the sack thanks for the updates see you all tomorrow.

[mikE]

Yeah but Gary St Clair is a former featherweight champeen, its only natural that Kahn should be cautious against the naturally larger man.:laughing:

He wasn't a featherweight champ, he was a jr light champ.

[meetthefeebles]

I thought he did ok, he obviously had a lot of respect for St Clair as he didnt put a lot of weight behind his shots and St Clair is hardly a dangerous puncher, the latter mostly played safe and barely won a round, took some good shots...the hype might be ridiculous but Khan is talented, he's ready for a number of the LW contenders now if they push him forward

After a period of reflection (and a few pints), I came to largely the same conclusions.

Khan did okay, and he won clearly despite throwing very few hard shots (a lot of flurries but they were 'pitter-patter' and largely hit gloves or arms), BUT his win was more down to the utter lack of ambition by St Clair as opposed to any great efforts on Khan's part. I thought St Clair was appalling- he barely threw a meaningful punch in 11 of the 12 rounds. What made it all the more odd was that he handily won the one round in which he opened up (round six), then he just went back into his shell. :dunno:

Khan IS definitely talented, but the way ITV go on is ridiculous and makes people want to see Khan KTFO. To call that performance 'virtuoso', 'world class' and 'vintage' is an insult to those watching the fight and capable of forming an opinion. At one stage in round eleven, they were blabbing on about Khan throwing 'a barrage of thunderous punches' whilst Khan threw four short, half turned shots into thin air... :doh:

And moreover, it is clear that Khan is STILL dropping his left hand, making him very susceptible to a right cross in the grill. When you are 'chinny' (as I believe Khan is), this is a bad flaw to have and will have to be rectified in the gym before he steps up in class.

[meetthefeebles]

He wasn't a featherweight champ, he was a jr light champ.

I thought he was a super-featherweight champ? :dunno:

[meetthefeebles]

Thats pathetic from Khan, but I knew that even slight steps up in class against guys who really didn't want to be there could result in him looking far from special.

Thanks for the updates.

I sincerely doubt ITV had much to say that was realistic or objective, but its par for the course these days, where the TV are as much a part of the promotional tool as the promoter and his blather. Can you imagine Don Dunphy calling a fight like this?? Or even Colonel Sanders?? ITV are happy just to have the fights so they toe the line.

Seriously OC, ITV were so bad, it was cringe-worthy... :doh:

[Azazel]

Doesn't Khan fights at 135 lbs ???? If so, you can hardly call it a case of fighting a smaller man as St-clair won a title in a division only 5 lbs south and fought has high has 140 vs some stiff competition ( Vivian Harris for example )

[mikE]

I thought he was a super-featherweight champ? :dunno:

No, Who's on first.

[meetthefeebles]

You sure?

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=7786&cat=boxer

[mikE]

You sure?

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=7786&cat=boxer

Do you know how many pounds separate the junior lightweight and superfeatherweight divisions, mtf?

[Azazel]

Do you know how many pounds separate the junior lightweight and superfeatherweight divisions, mtf?
it's the same division, just a different name from different organisations.

[meetthefeebles]

Do you know how many pounds separate the junior lightweight and superfeatherweight divisions, mtf?

I've gotta stop posting on here when I'm drunk... :lol: :doh:

[His_Royness]

Jesus Christ here is some serious Khan hating going on. That dude went the distance with punchers like Harris and Corrales @ Lightweight! and was never close to being stopped. He also hasn't shown any sign that his toughness or ability to survive has decreased. Now Khan gives him the clearest defeat of his career and it was a shitty performance?? :dunno:

You guys need to slow the fuck down seriously because some fighters just ain't there to get knocked out and if St. Gay doesn't come to fight it's not Khan's fault.

[r o o s t e r]

Jesus Christ here is some serious Khan hating going on. That dude went the distance with punchers like Harris and Corrales @ Lightweight! and was never close to being stopped. He also hasn't shown any sign that his toughness or ability to survive has decreased. Now Khan gives him the clearest defeat of his career and it was a shitty performance?? :dunno:

You guys need to slow the fuck down seriously because some fighters just ain't there to get knocked out and if St. Gay doesn't come to fight it's not Khan's fault.

i'm not saying khan should have knocked him out. i'm saying that khan looked sloppy, got hit with dumb punches again and again, and literally shoved st clair anytime he got in trouble.

really though, watching the evangelical british coverage just makes you hate him.

[Orthodox Crusader]

i'm not saying khan should have knocked him out. i'm saying that khan looked sloppy, got hit with dumb punches again and again, and literally shoved st clair anytime he got in trouble.

really though, watching the evangelical british coverage just makes you hate him.

Remember when Khan came out in his sequined Union Jack panties and Elgars "Hope And Glory" blaring after the 7/7 bombings???

:laughing: :nono:

[meetthefeebles]

Jesus Christ here is some serious Khan hating going on. That dude went the distance with punchers like Harris and Corrales @ Lightweight! and was never close to being stopped. He also hasn't shown any sign that his toughness or ability to survive has decreased. Now Khan gives him the clearest defeat of his career and it was a shitty performance?? :dunno:

You guys need to slow the fuck down seriously because some fighters just ain't there to get knocked out and if St. Gay doesn't come to fight it's not Khan's fault.

Seriously bud, the way ITV go on about Khan really, REALLY makes people want to see him KTFO. His performance last night was certainly competent, but was it 'Vintage' or 'Perfection' as the commentators tried to convince us last night? :dunno:

When someone is being paid to tell people what is happening and they are BLATANTLY talking balls, you are going to create resentment.

Bottom line, IMO, is that if you are telling the watching public (most of whom will NOT be hardcore boxing fans) that they are watching 'the next Sugar Ray Leanard', people will criticize when you do not get a performance befitting the hype.

For me, it is nothing to do with hating Amir, and it is probably not even be his fault, but he is the ONLY British dude I wouldn't mind seeing lose, just so I could see Jim friggin' Rosenthal's face.

I don't doubt his talent and POTENTIAL, and I never said that his performance was shitty- he won clearly and without taking more than 15 or so shots, but my main beef was with St Clair, who fought like a guy who knew Khan could never knock him out, so he might has well stand there for the full twelve, not get hit and take what would have been a decent paycheck.

Maybe I hate ITV and their BS a LOT more than I should? :lol:

[His_Royness]

Seriously bud, the way ITV go on about Khan really, REALLY makes people want to see him KTFO. His performance last night was certainly competent, but was it 'Vintage' or 'Perfection' as the commentators tried to convince us last night? :dunno:



I agree they make him out to be the new Ali or something which is pretty annoying. Thing is St. Claire is still a fight killer and by no means shot or some shit so I agree his performance was competent.

And for Ortho - he got hit with dumb shots?? Like how many?? 4?? :lol:

Newsflash - it's boxing u get hit and Khan isn't a defensive wizard so he will get hit a lot more than that. But that's cool everybody gets hit.

[Orthodox Crusader]

I agree they make him out to be the new Ali or something which is pretty annoying. Thing is St. Claire is still a fight killer and by no means shot or some shit so I agree his performance was competent.

And for Ortho - he got hit with dumb shots?? Like how many?? 4?? :lol:

Newsflash - it's boxing u get hit and Khan isn't a defensive wizard so he will get hit a lot more than that. But that's cool everybody gets hit.

I never said anything about Khan getting hit with dumb shots.

[meetthefeebles]

I agree they make him out to be the new Ali or something which is pretty annoying. Thing is St. Claire is still a fight killer and by no means shot or some shit so I agree his performance was competent.

And for Ortho - he got hit with dumb shots?? Like how many?? 4?? :lol:

Newsflash - it's boxing u get hit and Khan isn't a defensive wizard so he will get hit a lot more than that. But that's cool everybody gets hit.

This remains the one major worry for me- that goddamn low left hand he still has. At the level Khan is at now, it doesn't matter too much, but ALL of his opponents know about it and are targeting it.

I really think that St Clair's plan last night was to play 'peek-a-boo' all night and throw nothing bar the right cross as Amir dropped his left hand.

It didn't work, because Gairy isn't good enough to land flush and with enough power, but once Khan steps up, someone will end up tagging him. He HAS to learn to keep that left hand higher... :slap:

[His_Royness]

I never said anything about Khan getting hit with dumb shots.



na sorry - rooster it was... :lol:

[Orthodox Crusader]

na sorry - rooster it was... :lol:


I'll let it slide...this time.:warning: :cool:

[Orthodox Crusader]

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/story/0,,2252307,00.html

Apparently, Amir is tired of fighting "Jon Thaxtons"

:dunno: :laughing: