Does anyone give Ibragimov a shot?

[Double L]

He is quite a bit quicker than wlad, and can be elusive. Is it possible he could win?

Who's picking Ibragimov? Anyone?

[Baron]

Probably Dsimon and LOK.

[Explosivo]

Not me. Wlad is too big to be outboxed by Ibrag, and he doesn't have great power.

I think Wlad wins inside of eight rounds.

[mikE]

I don't think Sultan is quicker than Wlad. I don't think he has any advantages over Wlad. But he's solid.

Sultan doesn't have the proven tool to beat Wlad--big power--so he's left hoping that Wlad will run out of gas. It's a miserable way to win, but at least he knows what he's in for going into the fight. Of course, Wlad now fights like his brother and that means it's very unlikely he'll run out of gas.

Wlad KO8 and it looks easy even though Sultan keeps trying throughout.

[Double L]

I don't think Sultan is quicker than Wlad. I don't think he has any advantages over Wlad. But he's solid.

Sultan doesn't have the proven tool to beat Wlad--big power--so he's left hoping that Wlad will run out of gas. It's a miserable way to win, but at least he knows what he's in for going into the fight. Of course, Wlad now fights like his brother and that means it's very unlikely he'll run out of gas.

Wlad KO8 and it looks easy even though Sultan keeps trying throughout.

he's defintely more mobile and light on his feet, though.

[cupey alto]

I like his movement and speed to trouble Wlad. It might be enought to win him a decision.

[Rabid Kimba]

He has NO bloody chance in hell.

:nono:

[jaws1216]

Probably Dsimon and LOK.

:lol:

He has NO CHANCE

[KaukipRrr]

Ibragimov is a southpaw with a bit of swiftness and pop, and it'll be interesting to see how Wlad deals with that, because the last time he were confronted with such attributes, it was the worst moment in his career.

[dsimon3387]

Probably Dsimon and LOK.

Ibrimov will beat that German mercilessly!

[jarhead]

Wlad will make quick work of him. He beats him up badly and its stopped in 4.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

I don't think Sultan is quicker than Wlad. I don't think he has any advantages over Wlad. But he's solid.

Sultan doesn't have the proven tool to beat Wlad--big power--so he's left hoping that Wlad will run out of gas. It's a miserable way to win, but at least he knows what he's in for going into the fight. Of course, Wlad now fights like his brother and that means it's very unlikely he'll run out of gas.

Wlad KO8 and it looks easy even though Sultan keeps trying throughout.

This is very much how I see it too. Wlad seems like pretty difficult guy to outbox

[mexican wedding shirt]

Nope, no chance at all. Bragimov and Chagaev are both shit.

[Orthodox Crusader]

This is heavyweight boxing. Anything can happen. But Wlad is likely to keep it at range and drop bombs sooner rather than later.

[Hut*Hut]

Nope, no chance at all. Bragimov and Chagaev are both shit.

every heavy other than Wvlad is shit.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

every heavy other than Wvlad is shit.

Wlad makes them all look shit

[mexican wedding shirt]

every heavy other than Wvlad is shit.

Pretty much :bears:

As for Wlad himself, his chin and stamina stop him from being a truly great heavyweight.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Pretty much :bears:

As for Wlad himself, his chin and stamina stop him from being a truly great heavyweight.

So far they have. But if he is able to protect his chin and pace himself the way he has done in the recent bouts, he could become a great. Already he would give hell to any heavyweight in the history

[Double L]

people act like Wlad looks stellar in there. He's clumsy on his feet - his stamina blows - he can't take a good punch. All he has a height, a good 1-2, and a decent left-hook.

A smaller, elusive and quicker guy who is light on his feet is exactly the type of fighter who can exploit Wlad's many short-comings.

[Orthodox Crusader]

people act like Wlad looks stellar in there. He's clumsy on his feet - his stamina blows - he can't take a good punch. All he has a height, a good 1-2, and a decent left-hook.

A smaller, elusive and quicker guy who is light on his feet is exactly the type of fighter who can exploit Wlad's many short-comings.


Do know how many Small, elusive, super fast heavyweights there have been in the history of heavyweight fighting?

1.

Tyson.

And he was elusive for like, 6 months.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

people act like Wlad looks stellar in there. He's clumsy on his feet - his stamina blows - he can't take a good punch. All he has a height, a good 1-2, and a decent left-hook.

A smaller, elusive and quicker guy who is light on his feet is exactly the type of fighter who can exploit Wlad's many short-comings.

Reach, quick, powerful jab and a bomb of a right cross is pretty much what it takes to eat up a slick boxer, isn't it? :lol:

Sure, there are not many boxer-types out there but the ones Wlad has faced he has handled with greatest of ease. The ones who have given him trouble have been aggressors.

[Double L]

Do know how many Small, elusive, super fast heavyweights there have been in the history of heavyweight fighting?

1.

Tyson.

And he was elusive for like, 6 months.

Well, the point I'm making is that Ibragimov is a smaller heavy-weight who is light on his feet and relatively fast.

I'm not predicting (or even saying) that he's going to win - I'm simply offering up reasons why he could possibly win.

Also, there's been plenty of small and elusive heavyweights:

1. prime Byrd
2. Chambers
3. RJJ
4. Patterson
5. Owen Beck
6. Larry Donald
7. Brian Minto

I'm not suggesting any of these guys would have a chance against Wlad, but I am refuting your ridiculous claim.

And by the way, Tyson was hardly small.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Well, the point I'm making is that Ibragimov is a smaller heavy-weight who is light on his feet and relatively fast.

I'm not predicting (or even saying) that he's going to win - I'm simply offering up reasons why he could possibly win.

Also, there's been plenty of small and elusive heavyweights:

1. prime Byrd
2. Chambers
3. RJJ
4. Patterson
5. Owen Beck
6. Larry Donald
7. Brian Minto

I'm not suggesting any of these guys would have a chance against Wlad, but I am refuting your ridiculous claim.

And by the way, Tyson was hardly small.

He was no more than 5'11".

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Definition of "small" has changed in heavyweight boxing.

Ibragimov is 6'2 220 lbs and small

Prime Foreman was 6'3 1/2, 220 lbs and monster

Prime Liston was 6'1 215 lbs and also a monster.

Yet, the fighters now are worse than ever:rolleyes:

[mexican wedding shirt]

I thought Foreman was a clean 6'4?

He was only 220 lbs? Bloody hell, I remember him to be heavier than that, I thought he was in the 230 - 240 range.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

I thought Foreman was a clean 6'4?

He was only 220 lbs? Bloody hell, I remember him to be heavier than that, I thought he was in the 230 - 240 range.

That's how the eyes lie when you watch tapes. Foreman does indeed look like a monster compared to fighters of 70s. If he appeared now, he would seem skinny

[Orthodox Crusader]

Tyson was small.

[dymipepel]

Already he would give hell to any heavyweight in the history

I don't think he would give hell even to a third-class heavyweight like Corrie Sanders. Heck, if they ever fought I'd pick Corrie to bomb the robot out inside one, or, maximum, two rounds...

[Xplosive]

LMAO @ Wlad giving hell to any heavyweight in history.:laughing:

A prime Tyson, Lewis, or Foreman woulda gone through Wladimira like hot butter.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

LMAO @ Wlad giving hell to any heavyweight in history.:laughing:

A prime Tyson, Lewis, or Foreman woulda gone through Wladimira like hot butter.

Like Foreman went through Peralta, Tyson went through Buster Douglas and Lewis went through Rahman right?

[ElTerriblee]

Wlad makes them all look shit

No some are actually shit and they still knocked him out. :tease:

Ibragimov seems a bit weak at heart. He will probably DeCline.

[dymipepel]

Like Foreman went through Peralta, Tyson went through Buster Douglas and Lewis went through Rahman right?

They would went through him like Ross, Lamon and Corrie went through him.

[*Z*]

They would went through him like Ross, Lamon and Corrie went through him.

The only one who really went through Wlad was Sanders. He absoultely blew him out and made him look ridiculous. The other two fights Wlad was winning and gasses. Sanders beat Wlad down.

[meetthefeebles]

That's how the eyes lie when you watch tapes. Foreman does indeed look like a monster compared to fighters of 70s. If he appeared now, he would seem skinny

Good points.

I re-watched the Norton - Foreman fight last night and he (Foreman) looked ENORMOUS. Was he really only 220lbs? :eeeek:

[meetthefeebles]

LMAO @ Wlad giving hell to any heavyweight in history.:laughing:

A prime Tyson, Lewis, or Foreman woulda gone through Wladimira like hot butter.

Yup. Wlad is good, no doubt, but he looks much the better because his contempories at the minute are so utterly woeful.

Prime Lewis would have demolished Wlad. And I am NO Tyson groupie, but he exactly the sort of fighter who would have BUTCHERED him in absolutely no time at all...

[broadwayjoe]

Like Foreman went through Peralta, Tyson went through Buster Douglas and Lewis went through Rahman right?

Dude,
No offense, but that is dangerously close to a Sly reponse. :lol:

[Orthodox Crusader]

Yup. Wlad is good, no doubt, but he looks much the better because his contempories at the minute are so utterly woeful.

Prime Lewis would have demolished Wlad. And I am NO Tyson groupie, but he exactly the sort of fighter who would have BUTCHERED him in absolutely no time at all...


Come on...anyone with size and a right hand and a fighting mentality could cause Lewis grief. Look how he struggled with Vitali. Now, Vitali has the better chin of him and Wlad, but for the first 2 rounds, it was all Vitali. If that had been Wlad.....day-day Lenny.

[*Z*]

Yup. Wlad is good, no doubt, but he looks much the better because his contempories at the minute are so utterly woeful.

Prime Lewis would have demolished Wlad. And I am NO Tyson groupie, but he exactly the sort of fighter who would have BUTCHERED him in absolutely no time at all...

Lewis was never overly aggressive and he would not have blown Wlad out by a long shot. It would have been a hard fight for Lewis. Sure he may have eventually caught him with a big right hand but it wouldn't have been early and it would have been very competitive while it lasted.

[meetthefeebles]

Come on...anyone with size and a right hand and a fighting mentality could cause Lewis grief. Look how he struggled with Vitali. Now, Vitali has the better chin of him and Wlad, but for the first 2 rounds, it was all Vitali. If that had been Wlad.....day-day Lenny.

Any HW worth salt CAN give any other HW 'grief' on any given day- that's the beauty of the division. But there is a big difference between giving Lewis 'grief' and beating him. The only two guys to give him 'grief' were dealt with in no uncertain terms.

Moreover, by the time Lewis fought Vitali, he was long, long past giving a damn about boxing, and he STILL ended up fucking Klit's face (insert double-entendre of choice here) so bad that he looked like he'd been fighting Edward friggin' Scissorhands...

Lewis would have KILLED Wlad. There is not even a debate to be had about this :nono:

[meetthefeebles]

Lewis was never overly aggressive and he would not have blown Wlad out by a long shot. It would have been a hard fight for Lewis. Sure he may have eventually caught him with a big right hand but it wouldn't have been early and it would have been very competitive while it lasted.

Lewis was only cautious when he had fear and/or respect for his opponent. There is a possibility that Lewis, seeing how Sanders blew Wlad away, would have went for the kill and simply KO'd Wlad in short order.

More likely, though, is that Lennox would have simply jabbed Wlad's head off for 36 straight minutes.

Besides, at no point did I say that the fight would be QUICK (apart from this post, when I said that it MIGHT be)- I said it would be a one sided destruction. There is no need for such a thing to be 'quick', and in any event, I have seen nothing in Wlad which would make me think otherwise.

What do you see that I don't here Z? Genuine question, btw :dunno:

MTF

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Dude,
No offense, but that is dangerously close to a Sly reponse. :lol:

That is more than an offence, that is an insult :nono: :lol:

What I am saying is that you should remember the fighters as they were not based on their KO reels. Seeing how Tyson fought against Tucker and Douglas I could see Wlad giving him hell. Same with Foreman: seeing how easily he got hit with right hands, I do think he won't walk right through Wlad's cross either. Also Lewis, even though he was better than Wlad would need to be extra-careful with him

[*Z*]

What do you see that I don't here Z? Genuine question, btw :dunno:



I'm not saying Wlad would win but here is how I see it. Lewis didn't have a great chin himself. Wlad is a pretty good puncher. Both guys tend to start slow and feel the other guy out for a few rounds. I think Wlad definitely has the power to get Lewis' respect and make him fight cautiously. I think it would be a more boring fight than Vitali had with Lewis for sure since Wlad doesn't have the whiskers his brother has. I think it would turn out to be close and most likely go the distance.

I would favor Lewis though.

[broadwayjoe]

That is more than an offence, that is an insult :nono: :lol:

What I am saying is that you should remember the fighters as they were not based on their KO reels. Seeing how Tyson fought against Tucker and Douglas I could see Wlad giving him hell. Same with Foreman: seeing how easily he got hit with right hands, I do think he won't walk right through Wlad's cross either. Also Lewis, even though he was better than Wlad would need to be extra-careful with him

I knew you had more behind your comment than Sly usually does, but the but the way you phrased it reminded me of every time someone picks Hearns to win a MM and Sly's standard response is "Just like Hearns did with Barkley..." :lol:

[Ugotabe Kidding]

I knew you had behind your comment than Sly usually does, but the but the way you phrased it reminded me of every time someone picks Hearns to win a MM and Sly's standard response is "Just like Hearns did with Barkley..." :lol:

:doh: now that I re-read it you are actually correct

But still retain my take: it is unfair to compare the best performances of fighters to the worst pformances of the other guy. That makes for Dynamitish picks so to say :lol:

[meetthefeebles]

I'm not saying Wlad would win but here is how I see it. Lewis didn't have a great chin himself. Wlad is a pretty good puncher. Both guys tend to start slow and feel the other guy out for a few rounds. I think Wlad definitely has the power to get Lewis' respect and make him fight cautiously. I think it would be a more boring fight than Vitali had with Lewis for sure since Wlad doesn't have the whiskers his brother has. I think it would turn out to be close and most likely go the distance.

I would favor Lewis though.

I always tend to take issue with the 'Lewis had a weak chin' thing. What is this based on? On the two occasions he was KO'd, he was caught absolutely FLUSH. And if you are caught flush by a HW, no matter how good your chin is, you will hit the canvas IMO.

I think you could be on the money with the 'boring fight' comment, though, especially if Lewis thought Wlad had enough about him to be a risk. Whenever Lennox fought someone like that, he simply jabbed his way to a comprehensive decision. I don't see that Wlad has enough about him to do anything about it if Lennox chose to fight this way. If Wlad tried to open up to force matters, Lewis would simply throw the right and KO him.

I'm not trying to make out that Wladamir is some kind of mook- far from it, I accept that he is the best HW at the minute by a long way- I just think that it would take a much better HW than Wladamir to 'give Lewis hell', as Ugo claimed.

[Orthodox Crusader]

I'm not saying Wlad would win but here is how I see it. Lewis didn't have a great chin himself. Wlad is a pretty good puncher. Both guys tend to start slow and feel the other guy out for a few rounds. I think Wlad definitely has the power to get Lewis' respect and make him fight cautiously. I think it would be a more boring fight than Vitali had with Lewis for sure since Wlad doesn't have the whiskers his brother has. I think it would turn out to be close and most likely go the distance.

I would favor Lewis though.

Thats a fair assessment, but, by that same token, if you take the Vitali fight and drop Wlad in his place, on the basis of that night, I can't see Lenny get out of the first. If Wlad had cracked him like Vitali did....it was over.

[meetthefeebles]

Thats a fair assessment, but, by that same token, if you take the Vitali fight and drop Wlad in his place, on the basis of that night, I can't see Lenny get out of the first. If Wlad had cracked him like Vitali did....it was over.

Again though OC- we are talking about a PRIME Lewis- not the Lewis who lost interest completely in the fight game after he'd finally fought and beaten the one guy he wanted to fight more than the rest combined (Tyson).

A prime Lennox doesn't let Wlad anywhere near him. Wlad likely spend the whole fight eating Lewis' Left glove.

[ghoster]

Wlad only took this fight because it was winable. If Ibrag had any punch, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I even think Wlad's elimination tourney is a joke. Too many dangerous fighters and punchers ignored. Too many ranked fighters left out. Wlad is too careful and not a true champion in my book.

[*Z*]

Wlad only took this fight because it was winable. If Ibrag had any punch, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I even think Wlad's elimination tourney is a joke. Too many dangerous fighters and punchers ignored. Too many ranked fighters left out. Wlad is too careful and not a true champion in my book.

Who are these dangerous guys and punchers Wlad is avoiding?

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Who are these dangerous guys and punchers Wlad is avoiding?

Word.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Wlad only took this fight because it was winable. If Ibrag had any punch, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I even think Wlad's elimination tourney is a joke. Too many dangerous fighters and punchers ignored. Too many ranked fighters left out. Wlad is too careful and not a true champion in my book.


Like who?

Peters?

[Octopus]

Wlad only took this fight because it was winable. If Ibrag had any punch, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I even think Wlad's elimination tourney is a joke. Too many dangerous fighters and punchers ignored. Too many ranked fighters left out. Wlad is too careful and not a true champion in my book.\

:lol:That's why Vlad has fought and pretty much eliminated everyone in the top 10 these past few years!!

[REEDsART]

Ibragimov has NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER:nono: ...

This is the SAME Guy that STRUGGLED w/Ray Austin & DIDN'T Look All that Great Against Grandpa Holyfield Either...

Wlad STOPS Ibragimov N LESS than 6 Full Rounds...He May Not Even Need to Shower Afterwards...


REED:cool:

[REEDsART]

Wlad only took this fight because it was winable. If Ibrag had any punch, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I even think Wlad's elimination tourney is a joke. Too many dangerous fighters and punchers ignored. Too many ranked fighters left out. Wlad is too careful and not a true champion in my book.As a WHOLE, this Era of Heavy's is VERY UNimpressive, but Wlad Klit is Head & Shoulders THE BEST Out there...

He's a SIZABLE Favorite Over ANY Heavyweight & it's NOT his Fault that this Era is Subpar...


REED:cool:

[Orthodox Crusader]

As a WHOLE, this Era of Heavy's is VERY UNimpressive, but Wlad Klit is Head & Shoulders THE BEST Out there...

He's a SIZABLE Favorite Over ANY Heavyweight & it's NOT his Fault that this Era is Subpar...


REED:cool:


There was a period in the 1980's that was as bad, if not worse, than this.

There was also periods in the twenties, thirties, fourties, fifties, late seventies that were pretty poor.

[joony]

There was a period in the 1980's that was as bad, if not worse, than this.

There was also periods in the twenties, thirties, fourties, fifties, late seventies that were pretty poor.

a lot of those guys in the 80s could actually box.

[REEDsART]

There was a period in the 1980's that was as bad, if not worse, than this.

There was also periods in the twenties, thirties, fourties, fifties, late seventies that were pretty poor.But NONE of that Changes THE FACT that we're CURRENTLY Experiencing THE WORST Heavyweight Era EVER...

Only HARDCORE Boxing Fans Pay Attention to the Heavy's these Days...How Much MORE Evidence do U Need???:dunno: ...

Heavy's R THE EASIEST SELL N Boxing, but Not THIS Era...


REED:cool:

[Double L]

As a WHOLE, this Era of Heavy's is VERY UNimpressive, but Wlad Klit is Head & Shoulders THE BEST Out there...

He's a SIZABLE Favorite Over ANY Heavyweight & it's NOT his Fault that this Era is Subpar...


REED:cool:

how can you say he's head and shoulders above Peter, who knocked him down three times, and who's not been knocked out twice himself, once by a golfer no less?

Also, Maskaev has short accurate punches and is good in the pocket - I wouldn't rule out his ability to ice Wlad either.

Wlad is head and shoulders the most over-rated heavyweight, for sure. Surprise surprise. He's an HBO fighter.

[REEDsART]

a lot of those guys in the 80s could actually box.Yep...

Greg Page, Tony Tubbs, Tyrell Biggs, Pinklon Thomas, Tim Witherspoon, Carl Williams...ALL those Guys had GENUINE BOXING TALENT...Gerrie Coetzee was as HARD as Puncher as we've EVER Seen...Michael Dokes was 1 of THE Most Naturally TALENTED Heavy's EVER...

ANY of those Guys (N their PRIME) would B Belt Holders Today & Quite Possibly THE Champ...

Shit, Even Gerry Cooney would B BETTER N THIS Era than he Was N the 80's...He had the SIZE & PUNCH To Compete N Today's Era, No Doubt...

N the 80's, the Names REED Noted Carried the Same Status that Guys like Peter, McCline, Ruiz or Byrd have N Today's Crop...

Bottom Line, "Average" Heavyweight fighters from the 80's were BETTER than "Average" Heavyweight Fighters of Today...


REED:cool:

[REEDsART]

how can you say he's head and shoulders above Peter, who knocked him down three times, and who's not been knocked out twice himself, once by a golfer no less?

Also, Maskaev has short accurate punches and is good in the pocket - I wouldn't rule out his ability to ice Wlad either.

Wlad is head and shoulders the most over-rated heavyweight, for sure. Surprise surprise. He's an HBO fighter.U Must've MISSED Peter-McCline:lol: ...

MORESO, Wlad CLEARLY WON the Fight w/Peter, DESPITE the Knockdowns...REED Predicted an EASY KO Win for Peter, so if there was ANY Controversy N the Verdict, REED would have Spoken on it...

But there WAS NONE & REED was EXTREMELY WRONG Cause Wlad CLEARLY BEAT Peter...Wlad was @ his LOWEST N Terms of Confidence & Peter was Arguably @ his HIGHEST...Wlad Beats Peter Even EASIER Today...No Doubt, the McCline Fight is Fucking w/Peter's Head....

& Maskaev is Toooooooo HITTABLE to Beat Wlad...He DOESN'T have that Lamon Brewster Type of Chin to WITHSTAND Several Rounds of Punishment, Waiting for Wlad to Tire:nono: ...

U DON'T have to LIKE it, but Wlad is THE BEST Heavy on the Planet...It's OBVIOUS...

REED:cool:

[ElTerriblee]

Any HW worth salt CAN give any other HW 'grief' on any given day- that's the beauty of the division. But there is a big difference between giving Lewis 'grief' and beating him. The only two guys to give him 'grief' were dealt with in no uncertain terms.

Moreover, by the time Lewis fought Vitali, he was long, long past giving a damn about boxing, and he STILL ended up fucking Klit's face (insert double-entendre of choice here) so bad that he looked like he'd been fighting Edward friggin' Scissorhands...

Lewis would have KILLED Wlad. There is not even a debate to be had about this :nono:

He hadn´t lost interest, he was out of shape, because he thought he was fighting the canadian whale. He still must have felt comfortable enough to take Vitali on two weeks notice, and he shredded his face with the side of his glove, which really was a freak accident. They happen, but don´t act like he destroyed Vitali or anything.

[Attraction]

He hadn´t lost interest, he was out of shape, because he thought he was fighting the canadian whale. He still must have felt comfortable enough to take Vitali on two weeks notice, and he shredded his face with the side of his glove, which really was a freak accident. They happen, but don´t act like he destroyed Vitali or anything.

If you watch the sixth round, vitali was deteriorating and was holding on for dear life in the last 15 seconds. he got hit with some tremendous punches by lewis in that round, most notably a huge uppercut. Lewis would have KO'd him.

[Orthodox Crusader]

If you watch the sixth round, vitali was deteriorating and was holding on for dear life in the last 15 seconds. he got hit with some tremendous punches by lewis in that round, most notably a huge uppercut. Lewis would have KO'd him.
:laughing:

[REEDsART]

:laughing:That Post is Sooooo ACCURATE it's FUNNY???


REED:dunno:

[Orthodox Crusader]

That Post is Sooooo ACCURATE it's FUNNY???


REED:dunno:


Lewis sat down on his stool at the end of the same round like he had just received some awful, shocking news about a member of his family. He didn't so much sit as he slumped onto his stool. This notion of a fresh keyed up Lewis getting ready to finish the job...ridiculous.

[valdosta]

Actually both are right. LL did slump to his stool (he was very tired), but he did kick Vitali's ass in round 6.

[REEDsART]

Lewis sat down on his stool at the end of the same round like he had just received some awful, shocking news about a member of his family. He didn't so much sit as he slumped onto his stool. This notion of a fresh keyed up Lewis getting ready to finish the job...ridiculous.Who Looked WORSE???:dunno: ...

Lennox or Vitali w/Pieces of his Eyelid SPREAD Over the Fucking Canvas???:dunno: ...

Fact is, Vitali DIDN'T look "Energized" til AFTER the Fight was STOPPED...

If YOU Can't ADMIT that Vitali's WORST Round of the Bout was Round 6, then there's Really NO Point N Arguing Fuuuuuuurther...


REED:rolleyes:

[Orthodox Crusader]

Actually both are right. LL did slump to his stool (he was very tired), but he did kick Vitali's ass in round 6.


Yes...they were both in serious difficulty, and while lewis had had the better 6th round, its fair to say he took Lewis shots pretty well. That Uppercut should have stopped him dead but it didn't. And, he could have had a second wind.

Truth is it ended inconclusively.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Who Looked WORSE???:dunno: ...

Lennox or Vitali w/Pieces of his Eyelid SPREAD Over the Fucking Canvas???:dunno: ...

Fact is, Vitali DIDN'T look "Energized" til AFTER the Fight was STOPPED...

If YOU Can't ADMIT that Vitali's WORST Round of the Bout was Round 6, then there's Really NO Point N Arguing Fuuuuuuurther...


REED:rolleyes:

When the fuck did I deny that??

[Orthodox Crusader]

He hadn´t lost interest, he was out of shape, because he thought he was fighting the canadian whale. He still must have felt comfortable enough to take Vitali on two weeks notice, and he shredded his face with the side of his glove, which really was a freak accident. They happen, but don´t act like he destroyed Vitali or anything.


Listen, 2 points that no rational fan will ever argue.

1. Klitschko took the fight on the shorter notice- having prepared to fight Cedric Boswell or something.

2. Lewis ended the fight better, but the fight ended inconclusively regardless. Anything after that is mere supposition.

[mikE]

Thats a fair assessment, but, by that same token, if you take the Vitali fight and drop Wlad in his place, on the basis of that night, I can't see Lenny get out of the first. If Wlad had cracked him like Vitali did....it was over.

Wlad was better offensively than Vitali, but imo Vitali hit harder punch for punch.

[Bob N. Weave]

Coulda..Woulda ...Shoulda... This is a stupid argument.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

a lot of those guys in the 80s could actually box.

Many guys now such as Chagaev, Maskaev, Ibragimov, Ibragimov, Wlad and Povetkin have been very good and some even great amateurs so I don't think they can be completely skilless. Fighting looks different these days though

However this surely is the worst era ever for AMERICAN heavyweights but tht is not quite the same thing

[Orthodox Crusader]

Wlad was better offensively than Vitali, but imo Vitali hit harder punch for punch.


That was the consensus opinion in their Gym in Germany back in the late 90's too.

Sdunek always said Wlad was fluid, and that Vitali could resist pressure better. And it has played out like that.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Many guys now such as Chagaev, Maskaev, Ibragimov, Ibragimov, Wlad and Povetkin have been very good and some even great amateurs so I don't think they can be completely skilless. Fighting looks different these days though

However this surely is the worst era ever for AMERICAN heavyweights but tht is not quite the same thing


Exactly. American cars are shit, that doesn't mean everyone elses cars are shit. Ford USA got its ass sued off over the Pinto but that doesn't mean Ford Europe are culpabale too. Now all of a sudden with European fighters dominating the HW scene, the division is "shit". I'm sorry, but since when did an old damaged Holyfield, a perpetually troubled/troublesome Tyson, a fat Tua, useless Ruiz and disinterested Lennox Lewis make for Halcyon Days??

[KaukipRrr]

Exactly. American cars are shit, that doesn't mean everyone elses cars are shit. Ford USA got its ass sued off over the Pinto but that doesn't mean Ford Europe are culpabale too. Now all of a sudden with European fighters dominating the HW scene, the division is "shit". I'm sorry, but since when did an old damaged Holyfield, a perpetually troubled/troublesome Tyson, a fat Tua, useless Ruiz and disinterested Lennox Lewis make for Halcyon Days??

None of them were white for one :nono: .

[Attraction]

Yes...they were both in serious difficulty, and while lewis had had the better 6th round, its fair to say he took Lewis shots pretty well. That Uppercut should have stopped him dead but it didn't. And, he could have had a second wind.

Truth is it ended inconclusively.

Again, Vitali was holding on for dear life in the last 15 seconds of the round when Lewis hit him with a right hook to the temple (I have been rewatching the fight this week, thats why I am commenting). AND he took some powerful uppercuts. He was on his way out IMO. Lewis was tired himself, but he was taking Vitalis punches well himself.

Lewis had the right strategy and it paid off.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Again, Vitali was holding on for dear life in the last 15 seconds of the round when Lewis hit him with a right hook to the temple (I have been rewatching the fight this week, thats why I am commenting). AND he took some powerful uppercuts. He was on his way out IMO. Lewis was tired himself, but he was taking Vitalis punches well himself.

Lewis had the right strategy and it paid off.

The only thing that was paid off was that BLACK doctor who didn't give Vitali his 3 minutes. Rocky got 3, Gatti got 3, Vitali should have got his.

And, in truth, Diego Coralles was having a really shitty 10th round against Castillo......he looked real bad....for a lot more than 15 seconds......