Paul Williams is a stylistic nightmare for Floyd...

[His_Royness]

the horse has spoken... :cool:


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

[ILLUMINATI]

the horse has spoken... :cool:


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

the horse only wanted to find the easiest fight for Mayweather...he would say GATTI is the biggest thread in history..if anyone believed him..

[His_Royness]

that's cool i just found it funny people believed he would be able to throw 100 punches a round like he did against Margarito against a slickster let alone one on Floyds level... :notallthere:

[lb 4 lb]

Thing with Paul is for some reason he thinks he's a power puncher so he went away from his advantages and decided to trade. I was impressed with him when he fought Margarito but tonight he reminded of the Sharmab Mitchell fight where I came away rather unimpressed. He needs to stick with using his height and reach because not only is he not a good power puncher but he also is very bad fighting aggressively.

The good news is we don't have to worry about hearing how avoided he is anymore as he will now have to get back in line. He's lucky he wasn't fighting Clottey tonight because he might have gotten KO'd.

[Xplosive]

Based on tonight, Williams would get schooled by Cory Spinks, let alone Floyd.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Based on tonight, Williams would get schooled by Cory Spinks, let alone Floyd.:lol: No he wouldn't. Williams would run that clown out of the ring.

[Xplosive]

:lol: No he wouldn't. Williams would run that clown out of the ring.

Umm no he wouldnt. Cory would score on Williams at will. And Williams doesnt have the speed, or power that Zab possesed to catch Cory. I think Spinks would embarass Williams.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Umm no he wouldnt. Cory would score on Williams at will. And Williams doesnt have the speed, or power that Zab possesed to catch Cory. I think Spinks would embarass Williams.Spinks would run 2 minute miles against Williams. If Running laps of the ring landing a couple of jabs every round is scoring then sure your right. Anyways its a fight i don't wanna see. Spinks doesn't deserve to have a tv date wasted on him. Williams is real entertaining and fought a real determined fight tonight when he went behind early.

[Xplosive]

Spinks would run 2 minute miles against Williams. If Running laps of the ring landing a couple of jabs every round is scoring then sure your right. Anyways its a fight i don't wanna see. Spinks doesn't deserve to have a tv date wasted on him. Williams is real entertaining and fought a real determined fight tonight when he went behind early.

Spinks would have no reason to run from Williams, cause Paul cant hurt him. The only reason I'd venture to say Williams could win a few rounds is cause Cory fades. In the rounds when Cory's on, he'd EASILY outbox Williams.

[Octopus]

I was one of those who believed Williams would be Floyd's hardest test!! But until tonight,I was just dumbfounded on how EASY he gets hit against southpaws:doh:

I alway's thought his reach was his best weapon,but obviously it's not. Outside of the fact that he's a goddamn Light Heavyweight:lol:

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Spinks would have no reason to run from Williams, cause Paul cant hurt him. The only reason I'd venture to say Williams could win a few rounds is cause Cory fades. In the rounds when Cory's on, he'd EASILY outbox Williams.When Corys on he is running for his life. He could fight a 118lber and hed run for his life hes scared to death of getting hit.

Anyways like i said the fight won't happen. HBO aint putting him on their air again. Hes been in too many garbage fights. I loved how HBO booted him from the Tito-Jones U/C.

[salaco]

I don't recall mayweather fighting williams last nite, some guys here would like to add williams to mayweather's virtual resume, the list of guys he would beat so easily that there's hardly any point....its the same rubbish we had with Roy Jones for so many years, every time one of his suggested opponents got beaten (e.g. Jirvov vs Toney), it was subsequently all about how Jones would have smashed him or countered him to death etc....

Williams is still a difficult night for any welterweight, he had a very bad night however, he will be there or thereabouts again soon

[Orthodox Crusader]

I don't recall mayweather fighting williams last nite, some guys here would like to add williams to mayweather's virtual resume, the list of guys he would beat so easily that there's hardly any point....its the same rubbish we had with Roy Jones for so many years, every time one of his suggested opponents got beaten (e.g. Jirvov vs Toney), it was subsequently all about how Jones would have smashed him or countered him to death etc....

Williams is still a difficult night for any welterweight, he had a very bad night however, he will be there or thereabouts again soon

You need to post a little bit more often.

"Virtual Resume".....that about sums Floyd up when it comes to guys like Mosley, Williams, Cotto, Quintanta, Margarito....he has them whupped already so where is the point, right?:dunno: :lol:

[mexican wedding shirt]

I don't recall mayweather fighting williams last nite, some guys here would like to add williams to mayweather's virtual resume, the list of guys he would beat so easily that there's hardly any point....its the same rubbish we had with Roy Jones for so many years, every time one of his suggested opponents got beaten (e.g. Jirvov vs Toney), it was subsequently all about how Jones would have smashed him or countered him to death etc....

Williams is still a difficult night for any welterweight, he had a very bad night however, he will be there or thereabouts again soon

Awesome post :lol:

It really is becoming exactly the same as Jones. He doesn't need to fight anyone, because he'd beat them for sure, so what's the point :lol:

[KaukipRrr]

Fraud beat a p4p fighter in his last fight, that is incredible, I don't give a fuck if it's Ivan Calderon, it's still p4p.

[REEDsART]

Williams Obviously STRUGGLED w/the HANDSPEED, COUNTERPUNCHING & RING GENERALSHIP of Carlos Quintana...

Floyd is SUPERIOR to Quintana N EVERY Regard...ALL Quintana Does that Floyd DOESN'T is Fight Southpaw...

vs Floyd, Paul Williams would win 2-3 Rounds MAX...


REED:cool:

[Orthodox Crusader]

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[Bob N. Weave]

AgREED. Williams had more gaping holes in his defense last night than the Bunny Ranch. Floyd will pot shot his ass all night long.

[Orthodox Crusader]

Another virtual win for Floyd.:lol:

So when is Floyd fighting Quintana?

Or.....did Quintana lose a fight in the last 6 years which disqualifies him???

[lb 4 lb]

I've said repeatedly that Paul fought Quintana differently than he did Margarito. As usual nobody responded.

If Paul fought Floyd the way he fought Margarito--using his height and reach, clinching when he gets in trouble--he makes it a much tougher fight for Floyd. I don't see Williams winning, but I think he'd make a good account for himself.

Only way I think Floyd would "school" Williams is if Williams fought aggressively like he did yesterday.

[Tyler Durden]

Floyd is a Southpaw.

[Tyler Durden]

Fraud beat a p4p fighter in his last fight, that is incredible, I don't give a fuck if it's Ivan Calderon, it's still p4p.

It was really a step up for him, figuratively and literally. I used to talk shit about Floyd beating Casper the midget, but since Floyd pitched a shutout against a TALL southpaw no less last night( some say the ref was in the bag and should have stopped it in the fourth)....you have to give Floyd props, even you kauki :nono:

[Xplosive]

I've said repeatedly that Paul fought Quintana differently than he did Margarito. As usual nobody responded.

If Paul fought Floyd the way he fought Margarito--using his height and reach, clinching when he gets in trouble--he makes it a much tougher fight for Floyd. I don't see Williams winning, but I think he'd make a good account for himself.

Only way I think Floyd would "school" Williams is if Williams fought aggressively like he did yesterday.

Williams fought Margarito that way because Margarita is w/o skill. Quintana has skill, and we all saw Williams had NO success with him from the outside. Last night just proved that size, height, and reach are all overrated, and will be beaten by skill almost everytime. Williams' reach and height are irrelevent cause he doesnt know how to use it. He doesnt have the skill set, nor the brains to be a threat to Floyd. Money May would have a field day on him.

BTW - am I the ONLY one who noticed how Quintana was able to man handle Williams on the inside? For such a "big" guy, Williams' skinny ass isnt very physical strong.

[Tyler Durden]

Floyd is a Southpaw.

Oh yeah, Floyd also easily handles tall fighters with reach more easily than those who don't.

[lb 4 lb]

Williams fought Margarito that way because Margarita is w/o skill. Quintana has skill, and we all saw Williams had NO success with him from the outside. Last night just proved that size, height, and reach are all overrated, and will be beaten by skill almost everytime. Williams' reach and height are irrelevent cause he doesnt know how to use it. He doesnt have the skill set, nor the brains to be a threat to Floyd. Money May would have a field day on him.

BTW - am I the ONLY one who noticed how Quintana was able to man handle Williams on the inside? For such a "big" guy, Williams' skinny ass isnt very physical strong.Until I see Quintana or some other smaller "skilled" fighter beat Williams when he's fighting with height and reach, last night won't have proved shit to me.

Also how can you say that size, height, and reach are all overrated in 1 sentence, then in the very next you say that Williams' reach and height are all irrelevent because he doesn't know how to use it? You can't have it both ways.

On top of that you're flat out wrong on both accounts because Williams showed perfectly well he knows how to use them when he fought Margarito. He stayed on the outside and whenever Margarito got inside Williams clinched nearly everytime, something he obviously didn't do last night since you so candidedly pointed out how Quintana man handled him on the inside.

Why don't we just stick to what I've been saying. Williams fought Quintana differently than he did Margarito. Now had he fought him the same there's no guarantee he would have won, but the fact is he fought differently. I should have seen this coming too because in interviews he was saying he was going to be sitting down on his punches and using his "power:rolleyes: ".

[REEDsART]

2 B FAIR to Williams, ie., NOT Entirely Bashing him, the Guy has a GREAT Chin...

Yet & Still, Floyd CLOWNS him...

REED:cool:

[lb 4 lb]

2 B FAIR to Williams, ie., NOT Entirely Bashing him, the Guy has a GREAT Chin...

Yet & Still, Floyd CLOWNS him...

REED:cool:Great chin? Really? I didn't know Quintana was a big puncher, because if that's what you're going by I'd only go so far as saying Paul has a pretty good chin. I also remember Sharmba Mitchell cracking him a few times but Mitchell isn't a big puncher either.

[REEDsART]

Great chin? Really? I didn't know Quintana was a big puncher, because if that's what you're going by I'd only go so far as saying Paul has a pretty good chin. I also remember Sharmba Mitchell cracking him a few times but Mitchell isn't a big puncher either.Quintana's a BETTER than Average Puncher...Ditto for Sharmba...

& While Margarito ISN'T a "Puncher" N REED's Opinion, he's NOT the Type of Guy U Wanna Take ALOT of Shots from...Yet Williams DID w/Out Budging...Margarito's a BETTER Puncher than Quintana & Sharmba, Definitely...

Williams PROVES his Chin by the AMOUNT of Shots he Takes Over the Course of a Fight...Combined, Margarito & Quintana Probably Caught Williams w/50 FLUSH Shots to the Grill...

He doesn't LOOK like it, but Paul Williams has a GREAT Chin...


REED:cool:

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Floyd now holds a victory over Williams because he would be able to do what Quintana did.

Floyd also beat De La Hoya, who almost beat Mosley, who almost beat Cotto, so Floyd also holds a win over Cotto.

Thus, Floyd has nothing more to prove in his division

[REEDsART]

I don't recall mayweather fighting williams last nite, some guys here would like to add williams to mayweather's virtual resume, the list of guys he would beat so easily that there's hardly any point....its the same rubbish we had with Roy Jones for so many years, every time one of his suggested opponents got beaten (e.g. Jirvov vs Toney), it was subsequently all about how Jones would have smashed him or countered him to death etc....

Williams is still a difficult night for any welterweight, he had a very bad night however, he will be there or thereabouts again soonREED Sees your Point but @ the Same Time, did we REALLY Need to SEE Floyd TOTALLY OUTCLASS Baldomir to ACCEPT it Beforehand:dunno: ???...

Some of Us KNEW that he'd OUTCLASS Baldomir All Along...

Based on STYLES & HOW Williams REACTS to "Boxers", it SHOULDN'T Take Sherlock Holmes to Figure Out that he'd Struggle MIGHTILY w/Floyd Mayweather...

Quintant SEVERELY Affected Williams' Punchrate & Williams CANNOT PUNCH to Save his Life...Not to Mention how POROUS his Defense is...

Sorry, but there's NOfuckingWAY he Beats Floyd Mayweather:nono:


REED:cool:

[REEDsART]

Floyd now holds a victory over Williams because he would be able to do what Quintana did.

Floyd also beat De La Hoya, who almost beat Mosley, who almost beat Cotto, so Floyd also holds a win over Cotto.

Thus, Floyd has nothing more to prove in his divisionNOT True...

Floyd STILL Needs to Fight Cotto B 4 Calling it Quits...NOBODY is Suggesting Otherwise...

All REED is Saying is that Paul Williams has NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER of Beating Floyd...

No More, No Less...

REED:rolleyes:

[Orthodox Crusader]

Floyd now holds a victory over Williams because he would be able to do what Quintana did.

Floyd also beat De La Hoya, who almost beat Mosley, who almost beat Cotto, so Floyd also holds a win over Cotto.

Thus, Floyd has nothing more to prove in his division


Floyd also beat Hatton, which means he has a retrospective virtual win at 140 over Tszyu.

[salaco]

I'd happen to aree with you, but then I also thought there was no way Quintana would get the result last night...its a shame is some ways because I thought prior to last night that williams had a good chance as emerging as an outstanding welterweight contender, whereas I already know that Quintana is a solid guy but no more

[REEDsART]

I'd happen to aree with you, but then I also thought there was no way Quintana would get the result last night...its a shame is some ways because I thought prior to last night that williams had a good chance as emerging as an outstanding welterweight contender, whereas I already know that Quintana is a solid guy but no moreU're 100% CORRECT N your Assessment of Quintana...

He's SOLID, but a Truely ELITE Guy (Cotto) Decisively Beats him Virtually EVERY Time...Last Night was MORE about how OVERRATED Paul Williams was than How GOOD Quintana is...

Which is PRECISELY Why REED was Reluctant to Climb Aboard the Paul Williams Bandwagon After the Margarito Fight...

REED Gave Quintana a "30-40%" Chance of Beating Williams, so Last Night WASN'T Exactly a Surprise...On that Note, REED would Give Williams a 5-10% Chance of Beating Floyd, if that...


REED:cool:

[Pascals Wager]

I don't recall mayweather fighting williams last nite, some guys here would like to add williams to mayweather's virtual resume, the list of guys he would beat so easily that there's hardly any point....its the same rubbish we had with Roy Jones for so many years, every time one of his suggested opponents got beaten (e.g. Jirvov vs Toney), it was subsequently all about how Jones would have smashed him or countered him to death etc....

Williams is still a difficult night for any welterweight, he had a very bad night however, he will be there or thereabouts again soon

:bears::bears::bears:

[Tyler Durden]

Floyd also beat Hatton, which means he has a retrospective virtual win at 140 over Tszyu.

Keep making fun, nothing will take away from Floyd's victory last night :nono: Hatton and Willaims were basically the same fighter anyway, who's next for money :blobbox:

[Xplosive]

2 B FAIR to Williams, ie., NOT Entirely Bashing him, the Guy has a GREAT Chin...

Yet & Still, Floyd CLOWNS him...

REED:cool:

I dunno about a GREAT chin, but its good. Other than Cintron, theres really no murderous puncher at 147. Quintana has some pop, but nothing special. If Williams was getting caught like that by say a prime welter Tito, he wouldnt have seen round 3.

But anyway, Floyd wont stop him, but he'll win a WIDE UD against him.

[KaukipRrr]

Keep making fun, nothing will take away from Floyd's victory last night :nono: Hatton and Willaims were basically the same fighter anyway, who's next for money :blobbox:

Indeed. Reed introduced that particular technique,.. it's called '1 stone, several birds'..."Margarito and Baldomir are exactly the same" afterwards he must've thought that was a splendid idea, and elaborated a little more with, "Mosely has alot of similarities to Zab", and "Williams is a high and rangey southpaw, a bit like Hatton victim, Luis Collazo". Ensuring that, 1 win, can put quite alot of monkeys into one barrel. Fraud's revised resume?.. ALL.

[The Cuban Hawk]

Floyd now holds a victory over Williams because he would be able to do what Quintana did.

Floyd also beat De La Hoya, who almost beat Mosley, who almost beat Cotto, so Floyd also holds a win over Cotto.

Thus, Floyd has nothing more to prove in his division

:lol: :lol: :laughing: :laughing:

:bears:

[The Cuban Hawk]

Indeed. Reed introduced that particular technique,.. it's called '1 stone, several birds'...

:lol: :lol: :laughing: :laughing:

[The Cuban Hawk]

REED Sees your Point but @ the Same Time, did we REALLY Need to SEE Floyd TOTALLY OUTCLASS Baldomir to ACCEPT it Beforehand:dunno: ???...

Some of Us KNEW that he'd OUTCLASS Baldomir All Along...

Based on STYLES & HOW Williams REACTS to "Boxers", it SHOULDN'T Take Sherlock Holmes to Figure Out that he'd Struggle MIGHTILY w/Floyd Mayweather...

Quintant SEVERELY Affected Williams' Punchrate & Williams CANNOT PUNCH to Save his Life...Not to Mention how POROUS his Defense is...

Sorry, but there's NOfuckingWAY he Beats Floyd Mayweather:nono:


REED:cool:

"Some of us"?

Who DIDN'T think Floyd would outclass Baldomir?

UNLIKE Williams, Baldomir had very little (if anything) stylistically to threaten Mayweather with.

Despite all the talk, we still don't actually know that Williams wouldn't be a problem for Mayweather because
1) we don't know to what extent Quintana being a southpaw figured into Williams' loss,
2) we don't yet know how Floyd would handle someone with Williams' style.

[Roll With The Punches]

sat night further explained why floyd is ducking Cotto

[REEDsART]

"Some of us"?

Who DIDN'T think Floyd would outclass Baldomir?

UNLIKE Williams, Baldomir had very little (if anything) stylistically to threaten Mayweather with.

Despite all the talk, we still don't actually know that Williams wouldn't be a problem for Mayweather because
1) we don't know to what extent Quintana being a southpaw figured into Williams' loss,
2) we don't yet know how Floyd would handle someone with Williams' style.:rolleyes:

So U DON'T Remember half the Site BITCHING about Floyd vs Zab, Cause Floyd was "Ducking" the "Real Welterweight Champ", Carlos Baldomir???:dunno: :rolleyes: ...

Then AFTER Floyd Waxed Baldomir, Everybody BITCHED about how "Boring" it was...That's the Rub w/Floyd, Peeps ALWAYS Look for the Angle to BITCH about...

Quintana Being Southpaw had NO Bearing on him Beating Williams N REED's Opinion...His HANDSPEED, COUNTERPUNCHING & RING GENERALSHIP were Much BIGGER Factors...

Margarito ISN'T a Southpaw & SLOWER than U.S. Mail, yet he had NO Problems Hitting Williams, did he???:dunno: ...

Bottom Line, Floyd is the Guy ON TOP of the Proverbial Mountain...The Pressure is On those Lower Tier Guys to PROVE THEMSELVES, Instead of Waiting Around, LOSING Fights & Crying that Floyd is "Ducking" Them....


REED:cool:

[REEDsART]

sat night further explained why floyd is ducking CottoFloyd HAS to Fight Miguel Cotto B 4 he Retires...If Floyd Can TAKE Cotto's "0", he'll have NATHAN Else to Prove Really...

But if he DOESN'T Fight Cotto, REED'll B the 1st to Criticize Floyd about it...

REED:cool:

[ArturoGatti]

Based on tonight, Williams would get schooled by Cory Spinks, let alone Floyd.man, you truely are the knee-jerk king.

[Tam Tam]

man, you truely are the knee-jerk king.
:nono: Captain.

[The Cuban Hawk]

:rolleyes:

So U DON'T Remember half the Site BITCHING about Floyd vs Zab, Cause Floyd was "Ducking" the "Real Welterweight Champ", Carlos Baldomir???:dunno: :rolleyes: ...



I do... I just don't remember a single person actually picking Baldomir to BEAT Floyd if that fight ever came off.

Floyd HAD TO fight Baldomir if he was going to claim the lineal welterweight title. Regardless of how much people agreed that he "would've" beaten Baldomir, he still had to fight him in order to get that claim. That's the only way lineal titles can be "won".

A Floyd-Williams fight is different. Not only was Williams worthy of a big fight (like Baldomir), but he was a guy widely perceived as actually being a threat to him in the ring (UNLIKE Baldomir).

And if you personally don't believe Quintana being a southpaw was a deciding factor in the outcome, that's your opinion, but it's still yours and a questionable one. Until either 1) Williams gets outboxed by an orthadox fighter with Mayweather's style, or 2) Mayweather shines against an opponent with Williams' style, the question of whether Williams would've had a troublesome style for Floyd will still remain.

And no one here is "waiting" for Floyd to come to them, that's the whole issue here. Cotto and Mosley went out and fought each other, and Williams and Margarito went out and fought eachother... that's the total OPPOSITE of "waiting around". And the whole reason these guys are eventually losing is because they're NOT waiting around, they're actively pursuing meaningful fights. The fighters who ARE waiting around are the ones that Mayweather IS fighting, like DeLaHoya and especially Hatton. DeLaHoya disgraced himself in his last big event vs. Hopkins, and got a fight with Mayweather ONLY with his money-making potential and nothing more... and Hatton barely edged Collazo (an unheralded fighter that Mosley beat easily) in his only move up to welter and then RETREATED back down to 140, where he still was when Mayweather hand-picked him.

[skeedaddle]

Quintana may have looked good for the first 2 rounds but he didn't do shit over the next rounds. I haven't seen the whole fight, but williams was winning in my eyes.

[ILLUMINATI]

Quintana may have looked good for the first 2 rounds but he didn't do shit over the next rounds. I haven't seen the whole fight, but williams was winning in my eyes.


:laughing::laughing:

[ILLUMINATI]

:rolleyes:

So U DON'T Remember half the Site BITCHING about Floyd vs Zab, Cause Floyd was "Ducking" the "Real Welterweight Champ", Carlos Baldomir???:dunno: :rolleyes: ...



you sure it wasn't just Double L bitching....? :dunno: :doh:

[mexican wedding shirt]

Quintana may have looked good for the first 2 rounds but he didn't do shit over the next rounds. I haven't seen the whole fight, but williams was winning in my eyes.

:lol:

[KaukipRrr]

:rolleyes:

So U DON'T Remember half the Site BITCHING about Floyd vs Zab, Cause Floyd was "Ducking" the "Real Welterweight Champ", Carlos Baldomir???:dunno: :rolleyes: ...

REED:cool:

:nono: Uh,...I recall the site bitching that Fraud got to dictate the limited choice between two fucken scrubs, instead of ah, how about Margarito?...

RAAAAAAAAR!!! ...responded the screaming Fraud-groupies...vunerability penetrated, ATTACK!!...ATTAAAAAAAACK!!!...:rolleyes: Pffft,..

[Octopus]

Quintana may have looked good for the first 2 rounds but he didn't do shit over the next rounds. I haven't seen the whole fight, but williams was winning in my eyes.

Post of the year!!:bears: