The Daily Obamanation .... ALL ROLLED INTO ONE

[PetreTG]

petre will not answer the question...he'll enage in what congress would call a filibuster.

And yet I did before you posted this ... :lol:

[jaws1216]

No he didn't write it.

It's were his faith is fed.

Do you think the school you send your children to is important ?

so a professed baptist is better than what you are claiming obama is?

Someone who literally interprets word-for-word the bible is worse than someone who focuses on their heritage?

Are you serious?

[PetreTG]

so you are hiding ron paul's church? interesting...:dunno:

No ... YOU are hoping you can find ANYTHING as racially charged and separatist as Obama's Church.

Good Luck :lol:

[PetreTG]

so a professed baptist is better than what you are claiming obama is?

Someone who literally interprets word-for-word the bible is worse than someone who focuses on their heritage?

Are you serious?

Is that what you're getting from this thread ? Interesting.

[phonetap]

No ... YOU are hoping you can find ANYTHING as racially charged and separatist as Obama's Church.

Good Luck :lol:

say no more petre...you've sealed your own coffin. :laughing:

[jaws1216]

Is that what you're getting from this thread ? Interesting.

well clearly you've not used any kind of logic in your assessments of anything Obama related.

I'm using your argument about him to apply to Paul's "church"

Is that too logical for you?

[PetreTG]

say no more petre...you've sealed your own coffin. :laughing:
What's up with you PTap ... you've been making some seriously weak arguements lately with absolutely no substance. :dunno:

I think you might have a case of Obamacitis. :doh:

BTW ... you know I am right.

[Arben]

Since you have once again confused yourself ... I will try to help you , for all the good it will do.

My comment was ... Obama belongs to a racially centric church that preaches one race above others.

This is not conjecture. The church is all about being BLACK and specifically African. That is preaching one race above/opposed to others.

Get familiar with more than rudimentary english and you will understand the statement.

Then go visit the website instead of asking dumb questions.

Tap did ... and then he shut up real fast.

Had that been Pauls church and it was about being Arian , OH BOY what a day you'd have had. :lol:

Double standards are wonderful for the ignorant. :bears:
Once again, please show me where they preach one race above all others.

All I see is them preaching the betterment of their own race.

[phonetap]

What's up with you PTap ... you've been making some seriously weak arguements lately with absolutely no substance. :dunno:

I think you might have a case of Obamacitis. :doh:

BTW ... you know I am right.

petre your arguments have been circulating down the toilet like a turd for awhile now....personally you are bringing nothing to the table. you think pasting conservative articles left and right is akin to producing substantive opinions? try thinking on your own for once...:doh:

[PetreTG]

More of nothing from you.



Anyone else find it funny that the guy who calls everyone else 'sheep' is more predictable than the rest of us and also happens to be playing right alongside Hillary Clinton's smear campaign, the woman he has been saying will ruin the country.
:bears:

Nothing from me ? You make a comment that I said something. I know for a fact it was someone elses comment , not mine. (And I believe so do you now which is why you're avoiding the answer or you'd have posted it in a second)

And you want to claim I'm the one that is posting nothing ? :lol:

Let's be honest here Arben ... you won't post the claim because you found out you attributed that comment from someone else on me and doing so would be exposing your own inaccuracy.

[PetreTG]

Once again, please show me where they preach one race above all others.

All I see is them preaching the betterment of their own race.

:lol:

Once again , it's bad enough preaching race PERIOD in church. But on that note ... Do you see them preaching anything about other races ? Or are they a racially centric church that preaches one race above others.

Now stop trying to change the meaning of what I said by adding ALL. Go back to school and retake English.

[PetreTG]

petre your arguments have been circulating down the toilet like a turd for awhile now....personally you are bringing nothing to the table. you think pasting conservative articles left and right is akin to producing substantive opinions? try thinking on your own for once...:doh:

I rest my case ... :lol:

I'm going to start posting to you like you do me. Only in the case of my comments it will be true. :lol:
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Phonetap , your argument is meaningless garbage. You've just sunk the last nail in that coffin by bringing absolutely nothing to the table for the last 10 posts because you cannot formulate an intelligent opinion on the subject. Your arguments are pure :shit:

[toomuchsol]

C'mon Too ... you're a smart man. You know better than this comment.

This is akin to Paul sitting every sunday at a White Supremist Arian preaching church about White power as opposed to him taking responsibility for someone using his name to push their own view , to which he not only accepted responsibility , but also condemned it.

The Mission Statement IS the church agenda .... it's there MISSION to teach this attitude.

Were I to walk into any church that taught this or anything similar , I'd walk right out , never to return.

And , like I said , were this the mission statement of Ron Paul's church , you know damn well , you'd be having a field day with it.

Hell , you've been trying to smear Ron Paul for months over a 20 year old article he didn't write. :lol:

I can only imagine what you'd be saying were this the place he spent his sundays. :lol:

Just like if there was a blatantly racist news letter that was under Obama's name you would be having a field day, right?

[Arben]

:lol:

Once again , it's bad enough preaching race PERIOD in church. But on that note ... Do you see them preaching anything about other races ? Or are they a racially centric church that preaches one race above others.

Now stop trying to change the meaning of what I said by adding ALL. Go back to school and retake English.
Please show me any proof that shows that they preach one race above all others.

[PetreTG]

Just like if there was a blatantly racist news letter that was under Obama's name you would be having a field day, right?

Obama has had many crooked dealings , hell he may have smoked crack with Larry Sinclair while larry smokes Obama's pole :lol:

There's so much to use on Obama I can't stay on that one forever.

Obama had ties to a radical supposedly "terrorist" organization , the Weathermen whom he openly acknowledges and supports as friends . Had Paul had a history of any kind like Obama's or stood on such a weak smokescreen of a campaign that is akin to a motivational seminar , I would never have supported him.

Were there any substance to the claim made on Paul I'd have dropped him in a minute and once again walked away from any hope in this crooked political system.

[PetreTG]

Please show me any proof that shows that they preach one race above all others.

Go to the fucking website. :kick:

[Arben]

Nothing from me ? You make a comment that I said something. I know for a fact it was someone elses comment , not mine. (And I believe so do you now which is why you're avoiding the answer or you'd have posted it in a second)

And you want to claim I'm the one that is posting nothing ? :lol:

Let's be honest here Arben ... you won't post the claim because you found out you attributed that comment from someone else on me and doing so would be exposing your own inaccuracy.
Post the claim yourself, dude. I just simply don't want to go through the process of looking it up.

[PetreTG]

Just found this gem on their website ... :lol:

Fuck ... if this were Paul's church , you guys would be crucifying him. :lol:
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• One of the biggest gaps in knowledge that causes the kind of ignorance that you hear spouted by this man [Erik Rush] and those like him, has to do with the fact that these persons are completely ignorant when it comes to the Black religious tradition. The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.

• Black theology is one of the many theologies in the Americas that became popular during the liberation theology movement. They include Hispanic theology, Native American theology, Asian theology and Womanist theology.

• I use the word “systematized” because Black liberation theology was in existence long before Dr. Cone’s book. It originates in the days of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. It was systematized and published by theologians, Old Testament scholars, New Testament scholars, ethicists, church historians, and historians of religion such as Dr. James Cone, Dr. Cain Hope Felder, Dr. Gayraud Wilmore, Dr. Jacqueline Grant, Dr. Kelley Brown Douglas, Dr. Renita Weems, Dr. Katie Cannon, Dr. Dwight Hopkins, Dr. Linda Thomas, and Dr. Randall Bailey.

• These scholars, who write in various disciplines, also include seminary presidents like Dr. John Kinney and professors of Hebrew Bible, like Dr. Jerome Ross. Black liberation theology defines Africans and African Americans as subjects – not the objects which colonizers and oppressors have consistently defined “others” as.

• We [African Americans] were always seen as objects. When we started defining ourselves, it scared those who try to control others by naming them and defining them for them; Oppressors do not like “others” defining themselves.

• To have a church whose theological perspective starts from the vantage point of Black liberation theology being its center, is not to say that African or African American people are superior to any one else.

• African-centered thought, unlike Eurocentrism, does not assume superiority and look at everyone else as being inferior.

• There is more than one center from which to view the world. In the words of Dr. Janice Hale, “Difference does not mean deficience.” It is from this vantage point that Black liberation theology speaks.

• Systematized Black liberation theology is 40 years old. Scholars of African and African American religious history show that Black liberation theology, however, has been in existence for 400 years. It is found in the songs, the sermons, the testimonies and the oral literature of Africans throughout the Diaspora.
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[Arben]

I don't see them putting down another race, just trying to promote their own.

[PetreTG]

I don't see them putting down another race, just trying to promote their own.

Jesus H Christ .... Did anyone say they did ? :doh:

:lol:

Having said that ... the above "Talking Points" kind of does ... :lol:

[toomuchsol]

Just found this gem on their website ... :lol:

Fuck ... if this were Paul's church , you guys would be crucifying him. :lol:
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• One of the biggest gaps in knowledge that causes the kind of ignorance that you hear spouted by this man [Erik Rush] and those like him, has to do with the fact that these persons are completely ignorant when it comes to the Black religious tradition. The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.

• Black theology is one of the many theologies in the Americas that became popular during the liberation theology movement. They include Hispanic theology, Native American theology, Asian theology and Womanist theology.

• I use the word “systematized” because Black liberation theology was in existence long before Dr. Cone’s book. It originates in the days of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. It was systematized and published by theologians, Old Testament scholars, New Testament scholars, ethicists, church historians, and historians of religion such as Dr. James Cone, Dr. Cain Hope Felder, Dr. Gayraud Wilmore, Dr. Jacqueline Grant, Dr. Kelley Brown Douglas, Dr. Renita Weems, Dr. Katie Cannon, Dr. Dwight Hopkins, Dr. Linda Thomas, and Dr. Randall Bailey.

• These scholars, who write in various disciplines, also include seminary presidents like Dr. John Kinney and professors of Hebrew Bible, like Dr. Jerome Ross. Black liberation theology defines Africans and African Americans as subjects – not the objects which colonizers and oppressors have consistently defined “others” as.

• We [African Americans] were always seen as objects. When we started defining ourselves, it scared those who try to control others by naming them and defining them for them; Oppressors do not like “others” defining themselves.

• To have a church whose theological perspective starts from the vantage point of Black liberation theology being its center, is not to say that African or African American people are superior to any one else.

• African-centered thought, unlike Eurocentrism, does not assume superiority and look at everyone else as being inferior.

• There is more than one center from which to view the world. In the words of Dr. Janice Hale, “Difference does not mean deficience.” It is from this vantage point that Black liberation theology speaks.

• Systematized Black liberation theology is 40 years old. Scholars of African and African American religious history show that Black liberation theology, however, has been in existence for 400 years. It is found in the songs, the sermons, the testimonies and the oral literature of Africans throughout the Diaspora.

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• To have a church whose theological perspective starts from the vantage point of Black liberation theology being its center, is not to say that African or African American people are superior to any one else.

• African-centered thought, unlike Eurocentrism, does not assume superiority and look at everyone else as being inferior.

[Arben]

Jesus H Christ .... Did anyone say they did ? :doh:

:lol:

Having said that ... the above "Talking Points" kind of does ... :lol:

Obama belongs to a racially centric church that preaches one race above others.
I'm still waiting.

[PetreTG]

The million dollar question here , that everyone seems to be missing is ....


Is this the type of church and faith the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA should belong and subscribe to ?

If this were Paul's I would be bashing him BIGTIME.

[phonetap]

Just found this gem on their website ... :lol:

Fuck ... if this were Paul's church , you guys would be crucifying him. :lol:
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=600 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 15px">Talking Points<!-- InstanceEndEditable --></TD></TR><TR><TD>http://www.tucc.org/images/tucclayoutr1_09.jpg</TD></TR><TR><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 15px; PADDING-LEFT: 15px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 15px; PADDING-TOP: 15px" vAlign=top><!-- InstanceBeginEditable name="main" -->Dr. Wright’s talking points (3.1.7) for Trinity United Church of Christ its Web site and the Black Value System (in response to Erik Rush’s comments (2.28.07) on the Hannity and Colmes show):

• One of the biggest gaps in knowledge that causes the kind of ignorance that you hear spouted by this man [Erik Rush] and those like him, has to do with the fact that these persons are completely ignorant when it comes to the Black religious tradition. The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.

• Black theology is one of the many theologies in the Americas that became popular during the liberation theology movement. They include Hispanic theology, Native American theology, Asian theology and Womanist theology.

• I use the word “systematized” because Black liberation theology was in existence long before Dr. Cone’s book. It originates in the days of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. It was systematized and published by theologians, Old Testament scholars, New Testament scholars, ethicists, church historians, and historians of religion such as Dr. James Cone, Dr. Cain Hope Felder, Dr. Gayraud Wilmore, Dr. Jacqueline Grant, Dr. Kelley Brown Douglas, Dr. Renita Weems, Dr. Katie Cannon, Dr. Dwight Hopkins, Dr. Linda Thomas, and Dr. Randall Bailey.

• These scholars, who write in various disciplines, also include seminary presidents like Dr. John Kinney and professors of Hebrew Bible, like Dr. Jerome Ross. Black liberation theology defines Africans and African Americans as subjects – not the objects which colonizers and oppressors have consistently defined “others” as.

• We [African Americans] were always seen as objects. When we started defining ourselves, it scared those who try to control others by naming them and defining them for them; Oppressors do not like “others” defining themselves.

• To have a church whose theological perspective starts from the vantage point of Black liberation theology being its center, is not to say that African or African American people are superior to any one else.

• African-centered thought, unlike Eurocentrism, does not assume superiority and look at everyone else as being inferior.

• There is more than one center from which to view the world. In the words of Dr. Janice Hale, “Difference does not mean deficience.” It is from this vantage point that Black liberation theology speaks.

• Systematized Black liberation theology is 40 years old. Scholars of African and African American religious history show that Black liberation theology, however, has been in existence for 400 years. It is found in the songs, the sermons, the testimonies and the oral literature of Africans throughout the Diaspora.

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now you're acting like a damn idiot...:doh:

[Arben]

now you're acting like a damn idiot...:doh:
...a racist idiot:doh:

[PetreTG]

I'm still waiting.

Waiting for what ... the little yellow bus ? :lol:

[Arben]

Waiting for what ... the little yellow bus ? :lol:
Please show me any proof that shows that they preach one race above all others.

[PetreTG]

now you're acting like a damn idiot...:doh:
(Petre puts on his thinking cap and fires back with a PhoneTapism)

I'm rubber and you're glue , what ever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. :tease:

[PetreTG]

Please show me any proof that shows that they preach one race above all others.

Damn ... I'm actually embarrassed for you. :doh:

[PetreTG]

:lol:

[PetreTG]

Post the claim yourself, dude. I just simply don't want to go through the process of looking it up.

Of course you don't :clap:

[Arben]

Damn ... I'm actually embarrassed for you. :doh:
Please show me any proof that shows that they preach one race above all others.

[PetreTG]

Please show me any proof that shows that they preach one race above all others.

Arben ... learn to understand English better.

[Arben]

Of course you don't :clap:
Once again, Petre does nothing. HOW UNPREDICTABLE!:lol:

[Arben]

Arben ... learn to understand English better.
Please show me any proof that shows that they preach one race above all others.

[PetreTG]

Please show me any proof that shows that they preach one race above all others.

When you can't even get the quote right , about 10 times now ... there's no helping you.

[Arben]

When you can't even get the quote right , about 10 times now ... there's no helping you.
You mean this quote?

My comment was ... Obama belongs to a racially centric church that preaches one race above others.

[Nobleart]

Black schools, black churches, etc., is all a reaction to blacks not being allowed into white schools or churches until more recently then most people like to admit.

Goddamn I hate being an apologist but all talk of "double standard" is bullshit. Anybody read any of the shit coming out of Morman, Catholic, Southern White Baptist, Scientologist, Jewish etc, etc, etc, theology.

..........and any talk of what a "true christian" is, is bollocks. Anybody who tries to define what a "true christian" should be, is not to be trusted themselves.

Mission statement????....................GTFOH with that shit.

A couple months ago "racist" America was supposed to be too close-minded to vote for a black man with supposed Muslim ties for President. Now that it's getting closer to reality he's suddenly turned into a combination of Louis Farrakhan and Damien from The Omen.

Fucking insane!!! :doh:

[PetreTG]

You mean this quote?
WOW ... some progress .... now put on your thinking cap , and compare it to your claim. Then when you're done with that , think about the actual meaning of the entire quote and show where it's wrong.

[Arben]

WOW ... some progress .... now put on your thinking cap , and compare it to your claim. Then when you're done with that , think about the actual meaning of the entire quote and show where it's wrong.
All I'm asking is for you to show me where they preach one race above all others, just like you said. You haven't done that.

It's just more 'fear the blacks' from you.

[PetreTG]

All I'm asking is for you to show me where they preach one race above all others, just like you said. You haven't done that.

It's just more 'fear the blacks' from you.

Well My wife does scare me at times ... :lol:

Sorry to see you went back to misquoting the comment, so I can't help you. :doh:

I know your doing it on purpose. I think I may start doing it to you. I'll have to decide if I want to lower myself.

[Baron]

Black schools, black churches, etc., is all a reaction to blacks not being allowed into white schools or churches until more recently then most people like to admit.

Goddamn I hate being an apologist but all talk of "double standard" is bullshit. Anybody read any of the shit coming out of Morman, Catholic, Southern White Baptist, Scientologist, Jewish etc, etc, etc, theology.

..........and any talk of what a "true christian" is, is bollocks. Anybody who tries to define what a "true christian" should be, is not to be trusted themselves.

Mission statement????....................GTFOH with that shit.

A couple months ago "racist" America was supposed to be too close-minded to vote for a black man with supposed Muslim ties for President. Now that it's getting closer to reality he's suddenly turned into a combination of Louis Farrakhan and Damien from The Omen.

Fucking insane!!! :doh:I love you Nobleart.:bears:

[Arben]

Well My wife does scare me at times ... :lol:

Sorry to see you went back to misquoting the comment, so I can't help you. :doh:

I know your doing it on purpose. I think I may start doing it to you. I'll have to decide if I want to lower myself.
I'm not misquoting anything. I posted a direct quote, and you can't back up your statement.

[PetreTG]

Black schools, black churches, etc., is all a reaction to blacks not being allowed into white schools or churches until more recently then most people like to admit.

Goddamn I hate being an apologist but all talk of "double standard" is bullshit. Anybody read any of the shit coming out of Morman, Catholic, Southern White Baptist, Scientologist, Jewish etc, etc, etc, theology.

..........and any talk of what a "true christian" is, is bollocks. Anybody who tries to define what a "true christian" should be, is not to be trusted themselves.

Mission statement????....................GTFOH with that shit.

A couple months ago "racist" America was supposed to be too close-minded to vote for a black man with supposed Muslim ties for President. Now that it's getting closer to reality he's suddenly turned into a combination of Louis Farrakhan and Damien from The Omen.

Fucking insane!!! :doh:
I can agree with most of this ... that's why I've said so many times that I hate religion and do not go to any church.

Having said that , once again I say ...

The million dollar question here , that everyone seems to be missing is ....

Is this the type of church and faith the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA should belong and subscribe to ?

If this were Paul's I would be bashing him BIGTIME.

Remember when I posted some of that shit from Hucksterbee about religion , people were all over him. I'm sorry but this is even worse.

This is not a UNITING faith , it's separatist and divisive , and where Obama spends his Sundays feeding his faith which is usually a mans deepest convictions.

[Nobleart]

I love you Nobleart.:bears:


I love you too Baron. :bears:


.........but in a brotherly non-gay way. :nono:

[PetreTG]

I'm not misquoting anything. I posted a direct quote, and you can't back up your statement.

Yeah then you went right back you misquoting it and got an F in English 101.

[phonetap]

I can agree with most of this ... that's why I've said so many times that I hate religion and do not go to any church.

Having said that , once again I say ...

The million dollar question here , that everyone seems to be missing is ....

Is this the type of church and faith the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA should belong and subscribe to ?

If this were Paul's I would be bashing him BIGTIME.

Remember when I posted some of that shit from Hucksterbee about religion , people were all over him. I'm sorry but this is even worse.

This is not a UNITING faith , it's separatist and divisive , and where Obama spends his Sundays feeding his faith which is usually a mans deepest convictions.


name ron pauls church so we can investigate...or maybe you are too scared to learn the truth...:lol:

[PetreTG]

name ron pauls church so we can investigate...or maybe you are too scared to learn the truth...:lol:
I told you ... look it up. You won't find anything to talk about.

I challenge you to. :clap:

But in all seriousness Tap ... I have no problem with you , and you know this isn't a race issue.

Would YOU consider this to be proper curriculum at a church that is supposed to be preaching the unity and love of Christ ?

How about the kind of church the leader of our country should be attending ?

[Nobleart]

I can agree with most of this ... that's why I've said so many times that I hate religion and do not go to any church.

Having said that , once again I say ...

The million dollar question here , that everyone seems to be missing is ....

Is this the type of church and faith the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA should belong and subscribe to ?

If this were Paul's I would be bashing him BIGTIME.

Remember when I posted some of that shit from Hucksterbee about religion , people were all over him. I'm sorry but this is even worse.

This is not a UNITING faith , it's separatist and divisive , and where Obama spends his Sundays feeding his faith which is usually a mans deepest convictions.



He belongs/belonged (honestly I don't even know at this point) to a black congregation. Much like Mitt Romney and Joe Lieberman and John F. Kennedy and George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln and George Washington belonged to almost entirely if not completely white congregations.

I don't care. He doesn't stump religion in his politics and hopefully he respects the seperation of church and state, which I have reason to believe up until this point he does.

He's a black presidential candidate who doesn't have the title "Reverand" before his name. That right there says just about all I need to know about his supposed "convictions".

[PetreTG]

He belongs/belonged (honestly I don't even know at this point) to a black congregation. Much like Mitt Romney and Joe Lieberman and John F. Kennedy and George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln and George Washington belonged to almost entirely if not completely white congregations.

I don't care. He doesn't stump religion in his politics and hopefully he respects the seperation of church and state, which I have reason to believe up until this point he does.

He's a black presidential candidate who doesn't have the title "Reverand" before his name. That right there says just about all I need to know about his supposed "convictions".

Fair enough ... :bears:

So if Paul attended an Arian Only church that taught good Arian values and pride ... it would be OK. So long as he wasn't a reverend and didn't talk about it?

[Arben]

Fair enough ... :bears:

So if Paul attended an Arian Only church that taught good Arian values and pride ... it would be OK. So long as he wasn't a reverend and didn't talk about it?
:doh:

[Baron]

I love you too Baron. :bears:


.........but in a brotherly non-gay way. :nono:Of course.:doh:

[Nobleart]

Fair enough ... :bears:

So if Paul attended an Arian Only church that taught good Arian values and pride ... it would be OK. So long as he wasn't a reverend and didn't talk about it?


I've already expressed my views on the so-called "double standard" and it has already been pointed out by somebody else that Obama's church celebrates "heritage", not "supremacy".

[Nobleart]

Of course.:doh:


...............not like a Klitschko brother though, not that close. More like a Baldwin brother. We'd get into fistfights and stuff and pledge never to appear in each others movies. I'll be Alec, you can be Stephen, Daniel AND Billy. Just don't embarrass me in front of my friends. :nono:

[phonetap]

I told you ... look it up. You won't find anything to talk about.

I challenge you to. :clap:

But in all seriousness Tap ... I have no problem with you , and you know this isn't a race issue.

Would YOU consider this to be proper curriculum at a church that is supposed to be preaching the unity and love of Christ ?

How about the kind of church the leader of our country should be attending ?

personally, phonetap has no issues with the church but thinks this will be a problem for obama going forward. hillary will claim ignorance but she'll undoubtedly direct her surrogates/staff to make an issue of this. obama better be sitting around with his advisors figuring out how to deal with this. basically he's going to have to lead the charge in regards to hillary's tax returns, bill's business dealings overseas and her connections to high powered lobbyist who are financing much of her campaign. it's time to get down & dirty...:warning:

[slystaff]

Editted...because I don't want to start a racial firestorm!!!

[PetreTG]

Editted...because I don't want to start a racial firestorm!!!

Ahhhh ... ya chicken shit. :lol:

Seriously Sly ... Everyone here knows you're a religious guy. So I'll pose the question to you ...

Would YOU consider this to be proper curriculum at a church that is supposed to be preaching the unity and love of Christ ?

How about the kind of church the leader of our country should be attending ?

And remember ... God is watching for your answer. :warning:

:lol:

[Baron]

...............not like a Klitschko brother though, not that close. More like a Baldwin brother. We'd get into fistfights and stuff and pledge never to appear in each others movies. I'll be Alec, you can be Stephen, Daniel AND Billy. Just don't embarrass me in front of my friends. :nono::bears:

[slystaff]

Ahhhh ... ya chicken shit. :lol:

Seriously Sly ... Everyone here knows you're a religious guy. So I'll pose the question to you ...

Would YOU consider this to be proper curriculum at a church that is supposed to be preaching the unity and love of Christ ?

How about the kind of church the leader of our country should be attending ?

And remember ... God is watching for your answer. :warning:

:lol:

The Church affects Obama's position no doubt about it and he may need to disassociate himself from it to be honest with you.

"However"

There are LOTS of racist white churches...in fact the most racist people in AMerica tend to be the religious ones. So racism in church is nothing new and it's certainly not the minority.

Secondly...Nothing wrong with focussing on the black community for a black church, since NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO make helping the black community a priority.

If Blacks were already on top economically/socially/politically/numerically or even equal with their white counterparts it would be RACIST...but since they are at the bottom and are trying to pull themselves up....it's not as bad.

Put it this way...in a scenario (mythical) where blacks are in the position of whites and vice versa...and there was a white church doing that...I wouldn't have a problem with it. honestly. And conversely I WOULD have a problem with the blacks doing that.

[slystaff]

In any event, I think Obama's chance of becoming President are suddenly (in the last two weeks) far more remote than they were at the beginning of February.

IMO..his campaign has been mortally wounded on three accounts:

1. The NAFTA/Canadian embassy debacle
2. Michelle Obama's infamous "First time in my adult life I'm proud of my country"
3. The focus on his church


Even if he beats Clinton, he wont get past McCain now....:doh:

[atomicdOGg34]

In any event, I think Obama's chance of becoming President are suddenly (in the last two weeks) far more remote than they were at the beginning of February.

IMO..his campaign has been mortally wounded on three accounts:

1. The NAFTA/Canadian embassy debacle
2. Michelle Obama's infamous "First time in my adult life I'm proud of my country"
3. The focus on his church


Even if he beats Clinton, he wont get past McCain now....:doh:

the redphone add killed obama, if hillary can get folks to waffle about him on that issue i have no doubt mccain can

its still a tough battle for hillary though, she needs like 80 something percent of the vote the rest of the way, well after obama wins wisconsin and that other one coming up

either way, the longer this goes, the better for mccain

[PetreTG]

The Church affects Obama's position no doubt about it and he may need to disassociate himself from it to be honest with you.

"However"

There are LOTS of racist white churches...in fact the most racist people in AMerica tend to be the religious ones. So racism in church is nothing new and it's certainly not the minority.

Secondly...Nothing wrong with focussing on the black community for a black church, since NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO make helping the black community a priority.

If Blacks were already on top economically/socially/politically/numerically or even equal with their white counterparts it would be RACIST...but since they are at the bottom and are trying to pull themselves up....it's not as bad.

Put it this way...in a scenario (mythical) where blacks are in the position of whites and vice versa...and there was a white church doing that...I wouldn't have a problem with it. honestly. And conversely I WOULD have a problem with the blacks doing that.

Taking your last point first ...

In this day and age ... I would.

Where we talking about a Black Heritage Society I wouldn't find anything wrong with it either. I'm curious , have you visited the site ... because it's much more African centric , than African American centric. Again ... No I have no problem with the African culture , but we're talking about an AMERICAN President. Makes you rethink why Obama's wife felt the need to say she was finally proud of America.

Does that make them right ? Should anyone with racist views of any kind be President of America? Shouldn't the president not see color in our racially diverse society. It would seem choosing such a racially charged church is at the very least a conflict of interest for ALL Americans. That it was his CHOICE to attend that church is even more troubling.

In this day and age should the President of the United States of America , be part of a group that seeks to uplift any race in this country. No matter how well intentioned? Isn't that a conflict for those citizens in this country , not of that group? Shouldn't the president be as neutral as possible ?

As I said before , the hypocrisy of Christianity mixed with building up ones own race is bad enough. Being part of a group preaching racial pride and inequality and justice with talk of oppressors etc etc ... is at the very least a big conflict of interest for a President of the USA.

[atomicdOGg34]

if you think of people as individuals then racism disappears

[phonetap]

the redphone add killed obama, if hillary can get folks to waffle about him on that issue i have no doubt mccain can

its still a tough battle for hillary though, she needs like 80 something percent of the vote the rest of the way, well after obama wins wisconsin and that other one coming up

either way, the longer this goes, the better for mccain

what killed obama is how hillary toyed with the media. she was already crying about the media being harder on her than barack and when saturday night live did skits about it, it strenghtened her position and caused the news media to pause. remember a few weeks back the media pundits were cautioning against going negative on obama because of potential backlash...the bill clinton south carolina fiasco most definitely played a role in that line of thought.

now with the new media at pause, it allowed hillary to go in like dexter and butcher obama's image with photo's and TV adds. one moment she's on saturday night live pretending to be personable and the next she's on 60 minutes giving vague responses about obama's religion. bottom line, she was all over the TV last week...portraying herself in a sympathetic/victim mode while attacking using that cover.

meanwhile, barack was busy defending himself over the NAFTA screwup to effectively respond to the attack adds. chalk one up for hillary...

[Nobleart]

if you think of people as individuals then racism disappears


I've got the warm and fuzzies now. :lol:

[atomicdOGg34]

how is putting down anyone who votes for obama because hes black racist?

voting for someone because they are black is stupid and seems to be more racist to me

[atomicdOGg34]

I've got the warm and fuzzies now. :lol:

its true

you only have racism when you look at people as groups

politicians turn campaigns into class and race warfare basically

politicians promise this group and that group this thing and that, it makes people wonder sometimes

if you looked as people as individuals, we wouldnt have these issues as much

[slystaff]

In this day and age should the President of the United States of America , be part of a group that seeks to uplift any race in this country. No matter how well intentioned? Isn't that a conflict for those citizens in this country , not of that group? Shouldn't the president be as neutral as possible ?

I agree with this and as such it is my belief that Obama should distance himself from that church. As the president of the US you need to stand for all people not just one race.

[LOK]

how is putting down anyone who votes for obama because hes black racist?

voting for someone because they are black is stupid and seems to be more racist to me

but you nrvr no ig nate gets him on the chin he could nbe lites out@ i gv im a shot@!11111

[atomicdOGg34]

I agree with this and as such it is my belief that Obama should distance himself from that church. As the president of the US you need to stand for all people not just one race.

:bears:

something we can agree on

[atomicdOGg34]

but you nrvr no ig nate gets him on the chin he could nbe lites out@ i gv im a shot@!11111

you're drunk

[slystaff]

However it's funny to notice a double standard.

Hillary plays the "gender card" at every given opportunity. How she'll be the first woman president, how america needs a woman president etc.

No one is offended by that.

If Obama mentioned even once "It'll be nice to have a black president" or something to that effect...all hell would break loose! :lol: Everyone would be accusing him of racism and playing the card etc.

So since he hasn't given them this opportunity that they've been patiently waiting for...they go after his church...and then try to paint him as a closet racist (ignoring the fact that he has a lily white mother and grew up with milky white grandparents in Kansas).

[atomicdOGg34]

However it's funny to notice a double standard.

Hillary plays the "gender card" at every given opportunity. How she'll be the first woman president, how america needs a woman president etc.

No one is offended by that.

If Obama mentioned even once "It'll be nice to have a black president" or something to that effect...all hell would break loose! :lol: Everyone would be accusing him of racism and playing the card etc.

So since he hasn't given them this opportunity that they've been patiently waiting for...they go after his church...and then try to paint him as a closet racist (ignoring the fact that he has a lily white mother and grew up with milky white grandparents in Kansas).

hillary and bill are scheming fucks, theyll do ANYTHING to win

anything

expect this race to get alot nastier

which is bad for them, as it only helps mccain

[PetreTG]

its true

you only have racism when you look at people as groups

politicians turn campaigns into class and race warfare basically

politicians promise this group and that group this thing and that, it makes people wonder sometimes

if you looked as people as individuals, we wouldnt have these issues as much

Yep ... and that's Paul's platform which is one of the many reasons I find it ridiculous when people try to make the claim Paul is racist.

Like I said before , it's the mentality that thinks you have to boost your race up because others put it down that keeps racism alive. When you stop seeing color , and just see people , racism dies.

[PetreTG]

However it's funny to notice a double standard.

Hillary plays the "gender card" at every given opportunity. How she'll be the first woman president, how america needs a woman president etc.

No one is offended by that.

If Obama mentioned even once "It'll be nice to have a black president" or something to that effect...all hell would break loose! :lol: Everyone would be accusing him of racism and playing the card etc.

So since he hasn't given them this opportunity that they've been patiently waiting for...they go after his church...and then try to paint him as a closet racist (ignoring the fact that he has a lily white mother and grew up with milky white grandparents in Kansas).
I am ... I don't bash Hillary regularly for one reason. IMO she's so bad there's no need ... anyone that can't see how bad she is ... nothing I say is gonna help matters.

[atomicdOGg34]

liberals see everything as a zero sum game

to gain, someone else has to lose

in an election process this may be true as there is a set amount of voters

but as far as policies this is totally erroneous

everyone can get ahead economically if the system is what its supposed to be

[slystaff]

Yep ... and that's Paul's platform which is one of the many reasons I find it ridiculous when people try to make the claim Paul is racist.

Like I said before , it's the mentality that thinks you have to boost your race up because others put it down that keeps racism alive. When you stop seeing color , and just see people , racism dies.Easier said than done when you're not on the receiving end of racism. That's the problem.

[Nobleart]

hillary and bill are scheming fucks, theyll do ANYTHING to win

anything

expect this race to get alot nastier

which is bad for them, as it only helps mccain


This is completely true. If she somehow squeaks by Obama I can't see her beating McCain. Obama can beat McCain, Hillary can't. If she gets the nomination the Dems will once again prove what morons they are by throwing another election away by nominating the worst possible candidate. They will have thrown 3 gimme elections in a row away.

[phonetap]

This is completely true. If she somehow squeaks by Obama I can't see her beating McCain. Obama can beat McCain, Hillary can't. If she gets the nomination the Dems will once again prove what morons they are by throwing another election away by nominating the worst possible candidate. They will have thrown 3 gimme elections in a row away.

the problem is clinton appeals to the uneducated and misinformed voter. did you see 60 minutes this past weekend when one of her voters said he wasn't sure if obama was a muslim and didn't know the national anthem. phonetap was like WTF? :doh: it was flat out embarassing but she'll take the vote of course. those images and TV attack ads work with people like that.

[Anthony]

the problem is clinton appeals to the uneducated and misinformed voter. did you see 60 minutes this past weekend when one of her voters said he wasn't sure if obama was a muslim and didn't know the national anthem. phonetap was like WTF? :doh: it was flat out embarassing but she'll take the vote of course. those images and TV attack ads work with people like that.But when you ask the average obama supported some accomplishment from obama, most cant answer.

[atomicdOGg34]

But when you ask the average obama supported some accomplishment from obama, most cant answer.

or ask a texas senator that supports you

:doh:

:lol:

[Anthony]

or ask a texas senator that supports you

:doh:

:lol:What happened

[atomicdOGg34]

What happened

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Yeah when you look at it just like that it looks bad, but then you have to understand that it's difficult to answer questions on the spot when someone hammers you like that and doesn't give you a moment to respond. That's a typical tactic when someone is trying to get a certain type of response. Back a person into a wall and put them under pressure to respond quickly

[atomicdOGg34]

Yeah when you look at it just like that it looks bad, but then you have to understand that it's difficult to answer questions on the spot when someone hammers you like that and doesn't give you a moment to respond. That's a typical tactic when someone is trying to get a certain type of response. Back a person into a wall and put them under pressure to respond quickly

i dont buy that

these guys are professional, they are preped to handle any question, especially when its a current issue for you in the media

you've never seen and probably never will see a senator backing hillary clinton or any other candidate who is so ill prepared

[TFK]

But when you ask the average obama supported some accomplishment from obama, most cant answer.

Hell, I've asked a dozen times, in probably a dozen threads, for the Obama supporters to give me a tangible reason for why they support him, and none of them have been able to give me an answer.

If I'm lucky, they throw out a few buzzwords, but that's all.

So c'mon Obama supporters, buzzwords aside, why are you supporting him?

It reminds me of the last election and the Kerry supporters. Everytime I asked a Kerry supporter why I should vote for Kerry, they went on and on about Bush. They could never give me a reason to vote for Kerry, just reasons why I shouldn't vote for Bush.

So far I haven't heard one reason from any of the Obama supporters why I should vote for Obama.

TFK

[PetreTG]

Yeah when you look at it just like that it looks bad, but then you have to understand that it's difficult to answer questions on the spot when someone hammers you like that and doesn't give you a moment to respond. That's a typical tactic when someone is trying to get a certain type of response. Back a person into a wall and put them under pressure to respond quickly

I thought he gave him plenty of opportunity to respond ... he just couldn't . :lol:

[phonetap]

But when you ask the average obama supported some accomplishment from obama, most cant answer.

bullshit...the typical obama supporter is educated and informed. there isn't an obama supporter who'd make such ridiculous statements as what was said by that clinton voter on 60 minutes.

[PetreTG]

It reminds me of the last election and the Kerry supporters. Everytime I asked a Kerry supporter why I should vote for Kerry, they went on and on about Bush. They could never give me a reason to vote for Kerry, just reasons why I shouldn't vote for Bush.


TFK

http://cagle.com/news/ObamaObama/images3/nease.jpg

[phonetap]

:rolleyes:

name the accomplishemnts of ron paul that have positively effected your life. with ron pauls vast amount of experience what has he done to make your life better? and don't paste some bullshit article...use your own words...phonetap knows this will be a challenge for you but you can do it.

[atomicdOGg34]

name the accomplishemnts of ron paul that have positively effected your life. with ron pauls vast amount of experience what has he done to make your life better? and don't paste some bullshit article...use your own words...phonetap knows this will be a challenge for you but you can do it.

hes never voted to raise taxes
hes never voted to spend the soc sec fund
hes a doctor that knows how the healthcare system works
he was in the military and got the most donors from the military
he advocates and has always advocated a limited constitutional government and economic and social liberty, just check his voting record

[atomicdOGg34]

taken from his site, id have wrote it out but i dont see how you can say it any simpler:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

[PetreTG]

name the accomplishemnts of ron paul that have positively effected your life. with ron pauls vast amount of experience what has he done to make your life better? and don't paste some bullshit article...use your own words...phonetap knows this will be a challenge for you but you can do it.
What ... do you want me to reiterate the 10000 posts I made on Ron Paul :lol:

BTW ... Nice try but I have NEVER said he has personally positively effected my life. (Other than to have the audacity to hope for once with a good man for president worthy of my vote.) Not one candidate before the presidency has done that ever.

He is one of the few who has certainly tried though.

Again ... Nice try.

Now if you want to know on what basis do I support Ron Paul and whether or not I can explain the issues he raises and how they make sense and if they are actual SOLUTIONS to mounting problems .... Well that would be easy .... unlike when you try to do that for Obama. :cool:

Take some time and wrap you head around that and you will understand the problem with Obama.

[Octopus]

Hell, I've asked a dozen times, in probably a dozen threads, for the Obama supporters to give me a tangible reason for why they support him, and none of them have been able to give me an answer.

If I'm lucky, they throw out a few buzzwords, but that's all.

So c'mon Obama supporters, buzzwords aside, why are you supporting him?

It reminds me of the last election and the Kerry supporters. Everytime I asked a Kerry supporter why I should vote for Kerry, they went on and on about Bush. They could never give me a reason to vote for Kerry, just reasons why I shouldn't vote for Bush.

So far I haven't heard one reason from any of the Obama supporters why I should vote for Obama.

TFK

What?? You wanna fucking know??

Obama will bring Change, Charisma, Potential, Inspiration and Respectablitity back to the White House:nono:

[phonetap]

What ... do you want me to reiterate the 10000 posts I made on Ron Paul :lol:

BTW ... Nice try but I have NEVER said he has personally positively effected my life. (Other than to have the audacity to hope for once with a good man for president worthy of my vote.) Not one candidate before the presidency has done that ever.

He is one of the few who has certainly tried though.

Again ... Nice try.

Now if you want to know on what basis do I support Ron Paul and whether or not I can explain the issues he raises and how they make sense and if they are actual SOLUTIONS to mounting problems .... Well that would be easy .... unlike when you try to do that for Obama. :cool:

Take some time and wrap you head around that and you will understand the problem with Obama.

basically, ron paul has done nothing in congress that has impacted your life. you support the man's words, not his legislation results. you are no different than the typical obama supporter...:laughing:

[phonetap]

hes never voted to raise taxes
hes never voted to spend the soc sec fund
hes a doctor that knows how the healthcare system works
he was in the military and got the most donors from the military
he advocates and has always advocated a limited constitutional government and economic and social liberty, just check his voting record

none of these impacts your life.

you know what seeing how you are against any sort of aid...when (or if) you get that stimulus package check, kindly sign over the check and mail it to phonetap. seeing how phonetap's tax burden is probably 10 times yours he doesn't want you mooching of his hard earned tax dollars.

[TFK]

basically, ron paul has done nothing in congress that has impacted your life. you support the man's words, not his legislation results. you are no different than the typical obama supporter...:laughing:


Wrong, Petre, and most Paul supporters, can point to numerous reasons why he would vote for Paul. He gives tangible reasons, not just nifty buzzwords.

TFK

[puerto rock]

Wrong, Petre, and most Paul supporters, can point to numerous reasons why he would vote for Paul. He gives tangible reasons, not just nifty buzzwords.

TFK

Yesh but Phonetap asked him to name ACCOMPLISHMENTS by Ron Paul that give reason to suport him, not his stances on issues.

[LOK]

Haye is too much I think, he'll tap him on the chin and put him out!! in STYLE!! Thenm move up to HW and CLEAN IT OUT!!!:bears: :lol: :lol: :bears: :bears: :bears:

[PetreTG]

none of these impacts your life.

you know what seeing how you are against any sort of aid...when (or if) you get that stimulus package check, kindly sign over the check and mail it to phonetap. seeing how phonetap's tax burden is probably 10 times yours he doesn't want you mooching of his hard earned tax dollars.
Ron Paul has been a lone voice for most of his career for the people. He has one of the most consistent voting records in his unblemished career. The fact that he has been so opposed by the establishment that now seems to only serve the elite is yet another reason to vote for him. He has one of the highest CATO institute ratings , is lauded by orginizations for the people and was labeled the tax payers friend by the National Tax Payer's Union , first among ALL in congress.


http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2001/pr042401.htm
FOR RELEASE:
April 24, 2001

<center> Paul Honored as "Taxpayers' Best Friend" in Congress
</center>
<dd>Washington, DC: Congressman Ron Paul ranked first among more than 500 Senators and Representatives in voting to lower federal taxes and spending last year! The National Taxpayers Union, a nonpartisan citizens organization, recently released its annual rating of fiscal policy votes for the year 2000. Congressman Paul was #1, voting consistently to reduce taxes, spending, debt, and regulation.
</dd><dd>"Congressman Paul's pro-taxpayer score was the best in the entire House and Senate," stated NTU President John Berthoud. "Year after year he consistently earns the title 'Taxpayers Friend.' Many members of Congress talk about reducing the size of government, but Ron Paul backs up the words with votes. He always votes against taxes and spending on principle, without regard to special interest pressures. He is an effective ally in our battle to restore fiscal responsibility to Washington."
</dd><dd>Unlike other organizations, NTU receives bipartisan praise for its innovative rating system. One Senator said that NTU's roll call rating system "is the most comprehensive and the most objective. It covers virtually every vote involving federal money. It makes no effort to provide a self-serving moral assessment."
</dd><dd>"If the current Congress cannot overcome the urge to splurge and a reluctance to trim taxes, our economy could be in for a devastating one-two punch," Berthoud concluded. "But Congress can avoid this knockout blow to hard-working Americans, by joining Ron Paul in voting for taxpayer interests instead of special interests."</dd>

He's been consistently right about the war which he voted against , illegal immigration , the economy , over bearing over spending congress , the champion of the constitution .... the list of why you should vote for Ron Paul goes on and on , without any Smoke and Mirrors Obamism feel good bullshit.

If you think you should not vote for someone simply because Congress has opposed almost everything he's done , FOR THE PEOPLE and to uphold the Constitution , well then there's no helping you. IMO anyone Congress LIKES , is not to be trusted and is once again voting the same mistake hoping for a different outcome. People that do that in psychology are considered to be crazy or just plain stupid.

Now you tell us all why you want Obama so bad .... And we already got the CHANGE you can believe in substanceless bullshit. :cool:

[phonetap]

Ron Paul has been a lone voice for most of his career for the people. He has one of the most consistent voting records in his unblemished career. The fact that he has been so opposed by the establishment that now seems to only serve the elite is yet another reason to vote for him. He has one of the highest CATO institute ratings , is lauded by orginizations for the people and was labeled the tax payers friend by the National Tax Payer's Union , first among ALL in congress.

He's been consistently right about the war which he voted against , illegal immigration , the economy , over bearing over spending congress , the champion of the constitution .... the list of why you should vote for Ron Paul goes on and on , without any Smoke and Mirrors Obamism feel good bullshit.

If you think you should not vote for someone simply because Congress has opposed almost everything he's done , FOR THE PEOPLE and to uphold the Constitution , well then there's no helping you. IMO anyone Congress LIKES , is not to be trusted and is once again voting the same mistake hoping for a different outcome. People that do that in psychology are considered to be crazy or just plain stupid.

Now you tell us all why you want Obama so bad .... And we already got the CHANGE you can believe in substanceless bullshit. :cool:

you didn't answer the question...phonetap isn't interested in what paul has voted against, phonetap wants to know what legislation has he gotten passed that has improved the lives of the citizens of the united states. AGAIN, tell phonetap what legislation ron paul has gotten through congress that would make him an effective president of the united states. don't come back with bullshit about his stances or what he voted against...what has he done to improve your life and the lives of americans? list ACCOMPLISHMENTS!!!

why is this so hard for you???

[PetreTG]

you didn't answer the question...phonetap isn't interested in what paul has voted against, phonetap wants to know what legislation has he gotten passed that has improved the lives of the citizens of the united states. AGAIN, tell phonetap what legislation ron paul has gotten through congress that would make him an effective president of the united states. don't come back with bullshit about his stances or what he voted against...what has he done to improve your life and the lives of americans? list ACCOMPLISHMENTS!!!

why is this so hard for you???
If you can't understand what I posted , then that's too bad for you. I understand your tactic , it's weak and maniputative. What you're trying to do is change the issue with regard to Obama who does nothing but talk and present fairytail policies to sell the people on himself. A man that not only has a crooked past , but hires crooks to help him in the present.

Voting for the President is a vote for the man himself. It's a vote of trust . It's a vote on their policies. A vote on how confident you can be in that person that they'll do what's right for the PEOPLE.

The fact that Paul has fought Congress , is a great thing ... he is not a company man. In case you haven't been paying attention , Congress has been making a mess of things and he's proven them wrong time and again.

Like a fool you want to vote for another company man and hope for a different outcome. I thought you were smarter than that . I see I may be wrong.

AND once again ... in an effort to try to get focus away from Obama ... don't think that everyone can't see that you still cannot give a good reason to vote for Obama , unlike Paul supporters that could literally give you a 100 page thesis on reasons to support Paul.

[LOK]

I thought you were smarter than that . I see I may be wrong.

:eeeek: DAYUM!!!:eeeek: :eeeek:

[PetreTG]

Summing up Obama's campaign in satire ... :clap:

What's most funny though , is all the suckers buying it.
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Obama heals hundreds

AUSTIN — Ginny McCallum, 43, who has been confined to a wheelchair for much of her adult life, came to hear presidential candidate Barack Obama speak at the University of Texas. Afterward she found herself in a wheelchair access breezeway as Obama and his entourage exited the arena. The candidate spotted her, came over, grabbed her hand and pulled her up. She found herself standing for the first time in eleven years.

"He smiled at me and said, ‘Yes, you can,’" she says. "I was so stunned I didn’t know what to do."

McCallum is among hundreds of people who say they have been healed by the Democratic candidate, in one of the most surprising and little-acknowledged aspects of his campaign. Reporters have shied away from the story, chalking it up to "Obama-mania" and people’s feelings of elation.

"We don’t talk about it a lot, but yeah, it does happen," says one staffer who says he has seen multiple people healed on a rope line. "We don’t know exactly how or why it’s happening, and the Senator won’t talk about it. He usually insists that people keep it quiet and just report it to their pastor or priest."

Greeting supporters after a rousing speech in Houston, Obama stepped into the dense crowd and spontaneously began touching people: a legally blind woman, a man deaf in one ear, a cancer sufferer and a lame man.

"Yes, you can," Obama said as he laid hands on afflicted bodies.

The people’s reactions were so joyous as to be almost frightening. They jumped and shouted and wept. Before they could thank or embrace the candidate he was well down the rope line healing others. Their excitement was lost in the general din of the crowd.

Aides acknowledge that the phenomenon is occurring with greater frequency.

"His power goes beyond simple inspiration," says one aide. "There is something developing here that I’m not sure any of us fully understands."

They say Obama has told them privately that his time has not yet come, so it would be inappropriate to talk about the healings right now. He says he will wait until the convention to speak publicly about the "special calling" he believes he has to lead the country. They do expect him to start alluding to "the providential nature of what is happening on the campaign trail" in an upcoming address, mostly because word is getting around.

People have begun bringing relatives by the score to campaign events in hopes of a healing touch.

"It’s not the speeches that are drawing people anymore, as good as they are," says a senior staff member. "It’s people wanting to get better, and wanting their friends and relatives to get better. It’s the belief that there’s something more here." •

[phonetap]

If you can't understand what I posted , then that's too bad for you. I understand your tactic , it's weak and maniputative. What you're trying to do is change the issue with regard to Obama who does nothing but talk and present fairytail policies to sell the people on himself. A man that not only has a crooked past , but hires crooks to help him in the present.

Voting for the President is a vote for the man himself. It's a vote of trust . It's a vote on their policies. A vote on how confident you can be in that person that they'll do what's right for the PEOPLE.

The fact that Paul has fought Congress , is a great thing ... he is not a company man. In case you haven't been paying attention , Congress has been making a mess of things and he's proven them wrong time and again.

Like a fool you want to vote for another company man and hope for a different outcome. I thought you were smarter than that . I see I may be wrong.

AND once again ... in an effort to try to get focus away from Obama ... don't think that everyone can't see that you still cannot give a good reason to vote for Obama , unlike Paul supporters that could literally give you a 100 page thesis on reasons to support Paul.

you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you? lets try this again...how has ron paul made life better for americans? how long has be been a member of congress? there should be a record there but unfortunately, you can't answer this because there is nothing to say. when you vote for a person to be president of the united states you not only vote for someone you trust and their policy stances but their ability to get shit done. ron paul knows where he stands on various issues but he hasn't proven the ability to get shit done or get legislation passed that improves the lives of americans. any idiot can sit on the sidelines criticizing government but only the exceptional can change lives by getting shit done. ron paul doesn't fit that criterea...he's had more than enough time in congress to make a tangible and substantive impact but he hasn't. why? no one in washington listens to the man so how the hell would he all of a sudden get things done as president of the united states? ron paul has about as much pull (or powers of persuasion) in congress as you do on this forum...NONE :shit: . ron paul supporters like yourself aren't realist, you are nothing but self-serving idealogues with delusions of grandeur.

so again, what has ron paul done, not what is he against or what he is for, what has he done?

[LOK]

you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you?


:eeeek:

DAYUM!!!!!

[dsimon3387]

dsimon writes:

Yu know when any person is put under a microscope they will be far from perfect, and yes certain things come out. We are all human and we all have foibles that the funny kid and the bully can use to tease us, that is life.

What I see is this: OBama is right, thats the bottom line. EVerybody knows that the Bush administration was a disaster. The Clintons are another political dynasty that has shown a callous disregard for people as well. Ohio and the stupid Latino's in Texas fall for the bullying they are fools. If Clinton was put under the same micriscope the only difference is she would... hell she did!.... cry foul.

Clinton has succedded in slinging a lot of mud and making it stick like LBJ did. Great job. At the end of the day guess what? both candidates have about the same level of experience and the difference is that Hillary helped vote in bills that killed the people she claims to support.

Obama needs to access his black inner child, take the gloves off and shut this bitch up so nobody doubts he can fight for himself. I hope he does. Somoene needs to bury the Clintons along with the Bushs before this country belongs entirely to the special interests like Nafta corporations, credit card companies (who sponsered the bankrupcy legislation) and the medical corporations.

Obama does not need a lot of experience, just the right attitude to be willing to work with others. What the fuck did Bush's experience do? It created a war. Give the guy a chance and lets hope he hoits the ghetto button and wipes Hillary out for all of our sake. Let me have five minutes with Obama!! :blobbox: Obama take the godamn gloves off and get tough. This is a street fight brother, not the square circle.

[Arben]

Even crazy ass Mike Gravel has gotten more done in his career.

[PetreTG]

you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

My thoughts exactly , as you continue to try to play baby games and avoid any tangible reason to vote for Obama.

[slystaff]

My thoughts exactly , as you continue to try to play baby games and avoid any tangible reason to vote for Obama.

I don't always agree with phonetap, but you have failed to answer his question on this one. All this talk about Obama is just hope and you can't answer what Ron Paul has actually accomplished.

If Ron Paul hasn't accomplished anything of substance then he's the same "all words no action" that you accuse Obama of being.

[phonetap]

I don't always agree with phonetap, but you have failed to answer his question on this one. All this talk about Obama is just hope and you can't answer what Ron Paul has actually accomplished.

If Ron Paul hasn't accomplished anything of substance then he's the same "all words no action" that you accuse Obama of being.

exactly...they want to jump on the what has obama accomplished bandwagon but can't answer that question about their own guy. hypocrisy in it's purest forum...

[LOK]

exactly...they want to jump on the what has obama accomplished bandwagon but can't answer that question about their own guy. hypocrisy in it's purest forum...

I agree, you really made Petre look like a retard here

[PetreTG]

I don't always agree with phonetap, but you have failed to answer his question on this one. All this talk about Obama is just hope and you can't answer what Ron Paul has actually accomplished.

If Ron Paul hasn't accomplished anything of substance then he's the same "all words no action" that you accuse Obama of being.
No ... I actually answered it about 5 posts ago when he first tried to divert attention away from a question that has been asked 100's of times now on this forum that he fails to answer.

Let me refresh you and Taps faulty memories ...


I have NEVER said he has personally positively effected my life. (Other than to have the audacity to hope for once with a good man for president worthy of my vote.) Not one candidate before the presidency has done that ever.

He is one of the few who has certainly tried though.
As for what Paul HAS accomplished , he's accomplished having one of the most consistent and blemish free careers in congress . He's bucked a fucked system that has failed the people his entire career. He's been proven right 100's of times with his voting record and his introduction of numerous bills that hindsight shows us we'd have been better off if they were passed. He's been given the highest ratings across the board for his stance on taxes , economics , constitution and more. He's shown unwavering fortitude in the principles he's sold to the people during his campaign while both living and presenting to the people REAL solutions and not fluff and bluff. Even his rival McCain has labeled him the most honest man in Congress.

Now ... what has Obama done again? We know he's had lot's of dealings with criminals over the years. He hired a crook as a finance manager. He belongs to a seperatist African Centric Church that teaches Black Power. He was an admitted drug user. He admits friendship and association with members of the Weathermen , a terrorist organization. His policies are shit. He want's to give more US Tax dollars to foreign entities. He wants to dismantle the second amendment. He wants to give all kinds of benefits to Illegals at the US tax payers expense ....

Should I go on or should we continue this circle jerk while you and Tap avoid giving any substantive reason to vote for Obama ?

[PetreTG]

exactly...they want to jump on the what has obama accomplished bandwagon but can't answer that question about their own guy. hypocrisy in it's purest forum...
See above and continue on with the baby game avoidance.

[phonetap]

No ... I actually answered it about 5 posts ago when he first tried to divert attention away from a question that has been asked 100's of times now on this forum that he fails to answer.

Let me refresh you and Taps faulty memories ...

As for what Paul HAS accomplished , he's accomplished having one of the most consistent and blemish free careers in congress . He's bucked a fucked system that has failed the people his entire career. He's been proven right 100's of times with his voting record and his introduction of numerous bills that hindsight shows us we'd have been better off if they were passed. He's been given the highest ratings across the board for his stance on taxes , economics , constitution and more. He's shown unwavering fortitude in the principles he's sold to the people during his campaign while both living and presenting to the people REAL solutions and not fluff and bluff. Even his rival McCain has labeled him the most honest man in Congress.

Now ... what has Obama done again? We know he's had lot's of dealings with criminals over the years. He hired a crook as a finance manager. He belongs to a seperatist African Centric Church that teaches Black Power. He was an admitted drug user. He admits friendship and association with members of the Weathermen , a terrorist organization. His policies are shit. He want's to give more US Tax dollars to foreign entities. He wants to dismantle the second amendment. He wants to give all kinds of benefits to Illegals at the US tax payers expense ....

Should I go on or should we continue this circle jerk while you and Tap avoid giving any substantive reason to vote for Obama ?

you still haven't answered the question.

can't find anything huh? :laughing: aren't you are the professor of cut & pasteology...you actually can't find what you're looking for online, so you continually dance around the specific question trying desperately to bring it back to obama.

brief lesson for you...when you look back throughout history the truly great leaders ALL shared one common denominator: the ability to influence people into action. and action is the only way things every get done. personally phonetap admires a few of ron pauls political stances but the man doesn't have the ability to influence people into action that's why he's never sponsored and passed one single major piece of legislation in all of his years in congress. if phonetap is wrong here is your opportunity to correct him.

now answer the question...NOT the way you want to answer it but properly. phonetap has asked you two questions over the past couple days...what is ron pauls chruch and what has he accomplished legislatively and you can't answer a single one of them. wait until you see what phonetap ask you tomorrow. it'll really chrun that soft mellon you call a brain...:laughing:

oh yea...answer the question.

[slystaff]

PetreTG, Ron Paul's newpaper has published racist articles under his name. If you're going to "diss" Obama for attending that church then you've got to be consistent and DISS Ron Paul for the Articles coming out of the paper under his name....

[Arben]

PetreTG, Ron Paul's newpaper has published racist articles under his name. If you're going to "diss" Obama for attending that church then you've got to be consistent and DISS Ron Paul for the Articles coming out of the paper under his name....
Not to mention the fact that they won't release the name of the person who supposedly wrote it. That alone is pretty suspect.

[Arben]

you still haven't answered the question.

can't find anything huh? :laughing: aren't you are the professor of cut & pasteology...you actually can't find what you're looking for online, so you continually dance around the specific question trying desperately to bring it back to obama.

brief lesson for you...when you look back throughout history the truly great leaders ALL shared one common denominator: the ability to influence people into action. and action is the only way things every get done. personally phonetap admires a few of ron pauls political stances but the man doesn't have the ability to influence people into action that's why he's never sponsored and passed one single major piece of legislation in all of his years in congress. if phonetap is wrong here is your opportunity to correct him.

now answer the question...NOT the way you want to answer it but properly. phonetap has asked you two questions over the past couple days...what is ron pauls chruch and what has he accomplished legislatively and you can't answer a single one of them. wait until you see what phonetap ask you tomorrow. it'll really chrun that soft mellon you call a brain...:laughing:

oh yea...answer the question.
All those traits you mentioned about Ron Paul are ones that constitute a 'lame duck' president. One who can't get anything done, and time just goes by with no real progress.

Character is one thing. And Paul has his good intentions, but if you can't get anything done, then you're not worth being a congressman, let alone a president.

[TFK]

I don't always agree with phonetap, but you have failed to answer his question on this one. All this talk about Obama is just hope and you can't answer what Ron Paul has actually accomplished.

If Ron Paul hasn't accomplished anything of substance then he's the same "all words no action" that you accuse Obama of being.


Holy crap! I've been asking for weeks, in about a dozen threads, for one of you Obama supporters to give me a tangible reason why he gets your support, without using buzzwords, and not one of you has come close to doing it.

And you're gonna bitch out Petre over semantics?

Pathetic.

TFK

[atomicdOGg34]

even when you name pauls accomplishments they arent happy

paul brings forth more legislation every year than probably any other member of congress

not only can obama supporters not give any reason for supporting him other than those buzzwords, they dont even have some legitimate defense for some of his policies

how about answering the question with an answer, not another question

phonetap likes to pull this type of shit:

q: what has obama done?

a: tell me something ron paul has done

it doesnt even make sense

[PetreTG]

you still haven't answered the question.

can't find anything huh? :laughing: aren't you are the professor of cut & pasteology...you actually can't find what you're looking for online, so you continually dance around the specific question trying desperately to bring it back to obama.

brief lesson for you...when you look back throughout history the truly great leaders ALL shared one common denominator: the ability to influence people into action. and action is the only way things every get done. personally phonetap admires a few of ron pauls political stances but the man doesn't have the ability to influence people into action that's why he's never sponsored and passed one single major piece of legislation in all of his years in congress. if phonetap is wrong here is your opportunity to correct him.

now answer the question...NOT the way you want to answer it but properly. phonetap has asked you two questions over the past couple days...what is ron pauls chruch and what has he accomplished legislatively and you can't answer a single one of them. wait until you see what phonetap ask you tomorrow. it'll really chrun that soft mellon you call a brain...:laughing:

oh yea...answer the question.
I did ... I even gave you what you wanted and you're too stupid to see it. I just didn't give it to you the way you wanted it.

[PetreTG]

even when you name pauls accomplishments they arent happy

paul brings forth more legislation every year than probably any other member of congress

not only can obama supporters not give any reason for supporting him other than those buzzwords, they dont even have some legitimate defense for some of his policies

how about answering the question with an answer, not another question

phonetap likes to pull this type of shit:

q: what has obama done?

a: tell me something ron paul has done

it doesnt even make sense

I keep trying to explain that to them ... but Ptap seems more interested in circle jerking and avoiding the truth. Much like his man Obama will do.

[atomicdOGg34]

Not to mention the fact that they won't release the name of the person who supposedly wrote it. That alone is pretty suspect.

except for the fact that the mans not done one racist thing in his life, nor have you ever heard him say anything racist

plus hes delivered probably hundreds of babies to african american women, alot of them probably poor

forget all that though, some ridiculous article came out, lets ride that thing till the fucken wheels fall off

[Arben]

I support Obama because he is the only one that has crossover appeal and could unify the nation. It is something I feel is most important in this nation, and no other candidate has shown that capability.

[atomicdOGg34]

I keep trying to explain that to them ... but Ptap seems more interested in circle jerking and avoiding the truth. Much like his man Obama will do.

shit or get off the pot

hes only making himself look stupid and irrational

you cant even have a legitimate debate without someone claiming your evil, greedy, racist, or just dont care about people

i guess freedom is a radical idea now

[atomicdOGg34]

I support Obama because he is the only one that has crossover appeal and could unify the nation. It is something I feel is most important in this nation, and no other candidate has shown that capability.

what has he done to show this?

serious question

[PetreTG]

All those traits you mentioned about Ron Paul are ones that constitute a 'lame duck' president. One who can't get anything done, and time just goes by with no real progress.

Character is one thing. And Paul has his good intentions, but if you can't get anything done, then you're not worth being a congressman, let alone a president.

Not true Arben.

Although it would only happen now via a miracle ... were Ron Paul elected president , not only has he proven that he will do what he says (Or at the very least try with great fortitude) but as THE PRESIDENT of the United States of America .... Congress and the people would have to listen to him. No more marginalizing and he would have the WORLD STAGE to push his agenda.

Look at what Bush accomplished and just about everyone was against him in the end with his own party distancing themselves from him and STILL he got his way.

Put Paul before the people and give them a chance to learn what he's teaching and see just how right he's been time and again , and the MOB would make sure Congresses party time came to an end. THAT is why "they" fear Ron Paul so much and why it was so important to marginalize him. Because the party would have come to an end.

[Arben]

except for the fact that the mans not done one racist thing in his life, nor have you ever heard him say anything racist

plus hes delivered probably hundreds of babies to african american women, alot of them probably poor

forget all that though, some ridiculous article came out, lets ride that thing till the fucken wheels fall off
I love it when Paul supporters shout out his history delivering babies. As if that's supposed to make him more compassionate or something.

He is showing support towards a racist, it's plain and simple. He could easily release the guy's name and rid himself of that issue. But he won't, and that's suspect.

Obama had no problem denouncing Minister Farrakhan's actions and views during a very public debate.

[Arben]

what has he done to show this?

serious question
I think he has shown this throughout the primaries, and you will see it in the general election as well.

[PetreTG]

except for the fact that the mans not done one racist thing in his life, nor have you ever heard him say anything racist

plus hes delivered probably hundreds of babies to african american women, alot of them probably poor

forget all that though, some ridiculous article came out, lets ride that thing till the fucken wheels fall off

Exactly ... not to mention it's 20 years old and completely out of any character anyone attributes to the man that knows him .

THAT is there one BIG THING on Paul ... A letter someone else wrote. How sad.

[Arben]

Not true Arben.

Although it would only happen now via a miracle ... were Ron Paul elected president , not only has he proven that he will do what he says (Or at the very least try with great fortitude) but as THE PRESIDENT of the United States of America .... Congress and the people would have to listen to him. No more marginalizing and he would have the WORLD STAGE to push his agenda.

Look at what Bush accomplished and just about everyone was against him in the end with his own party distancing themselves from him and STILL he got his way.

Put Paul before the people and give them a chance to learn what he's teaching and see just how right he's been time and again , and the MOB would make sure Congresses party time came to an end. THAT is why "they" fear Ron Paul so much and why it was so important to marginalize him. Because the party would have come to an end.
The war changed everything. Before 9/11, George Bush was a lame duck president.

With a grand total of 2 people that agree with Paul in Washington, he would be THE lame duck president if he were to be elected.

And please, nobody fears Ron Paul.

[Arben]

Exactly ... not to mention it's 20 years old and completely out of any character anyone attributes to the man that knows him .

THAT is there one BIG THING on Paul ... A letter someone else wrote. How sad.
Yet all it takes is two words to shoot that claim down. A first name and a last name. And he won't even do that.

That is very suspect.

[atomicdOGg34]

I love it when Paul supporters shout out his history delivering babies. As if that's supposed to make him more compassionate or something.

He is showing support towards a racist, it's plain and simple. He could easily release the guy's name and rid himself of that issue. But he won't, and that's suspect.

Obama had no problem denouncing Minister Farrakhan's actions and views during a very public debate.

thats because obama is a panderer, you know damn well obama would take farrakhans support and vote if no one knew about it, he might anyways

[atomicdOGg34]

[quote=Arben]Before 9/11, George Bush was a lame duck president.

quote]

9/11 happened in 2001, bush only got elected in 2000

i dont see how thats lame duck when he had 3 more years on that term and a whole nother after that

[LOK]

this is fun

[PetreTG]

I support Obama because he is the only one that has crossover appeal and could unify the nation. It is something I feel is most important in this nation, and no other candidate has shown that capability.

Obama has crossover appeal ??? Are you kidding me? Holy fuck that's the dumbest comment I've heard in this whole debate. :lol:

Just about everyone on the right HATES the guy.

WHY?

Illegal Immigration
More Taxes
A Bullshit healthcare program
The second Amendment
His bizarre "religiousity"

Fuck ... the only crossover candidate is Insane McCain who's a closet Democrat that still has the republicans fooled.

"Obama has crossover appeal" ... :lol:

Not everyone gets fooled by empty talk that hides bad policy. :nono:

[Arben]

thats because obama is a panderer, you know damn well obama would take farrakhans support and vote if no one knew about it, he might anyways
But he publicly denounced him, while Ron Paul's excuse to the public about the White Supremacist's support was, "Well, he's allowed to support who he wants," with hardly a mention of denouncing his racist opinions.

Action, buddy. Paul is all bark and no bite and has proven it throughout his entire career.

[atomicdOGg34]

Obama has crossover appeal ??? Are you kidding me? Holy fuck that's the dumbest comment I've heard in this whole debate. :lol:

Just about everyone on the right HATES the guy.

WHY?

Illegal Immigration
More Taxes
A Bullshit healthcare program
The second Amendment
His bizarre "religiousity"

Fuck ... the only crossover candidate is Insane McCain who's a closet Democrat that still has the republicans fooled.

"Obama has crossover appeal" ... :lol:

Not everyone gets fooled by empty talk that hides bad policy. :nono:

by crossover appeal they mean hes "willing to talk to people", whatever that means

[Arben]

[quote=Arben]Before 9/11, George Bush was a lame duck president.

quote]

9/11 happened in 2001, bush only got elected in 2000

i dont see how thats lame duck when he had 3 more years on that term and a whole nother after that
He was on his way to being another lame duck president. Then some little incident happened on 9/11 and his favor allowed for him to do what he wants.

Look at his term right now. He virtually stated that he will be a lame duck president for the rest of his term.

[Arben]

Obama has crossover appeal ??? Are you kidding me? Holy fuck that's the dumbest comment I've heard in this whole debate. :lol:

Just about everyone on the right HATES the guy.

WHY?

Illegal Immigration
More Taxes
A Bullshit healthcare program
The second Amendment
His bizarre "religiousity"

Fuck ... the only crossover candidate is Insane McCain who's a closet Democrat that still has the republicans fooled.

"Obama has crossover appeal" ... :lol:

Not everyone gets fooled by empty talk that hides bad policy. :nono:
Yet independents are swinging his way, conservative democrats are swinging his way, and republicans are swinging his way.

The results speak for themself.

[Arben]

by crossover appeal they mean hes "willing to talk to people", whatever that means
Look at how he's doing in the primaries and what voters he's attracting.

[atomicdOGg34]

But he publicly denounced him, while Ron Paul's excuse to the public about the White Supremacist's support was, "Well, he's allowed to support who he wants," with hardly a mention of denouncing his racist opinions.

Action, buddy. Paul is all bark and no bite and has proven it throughout his entire career.

apparently you missed the times paul was on air and said right up front he did not support their ideas

he said he wasnt giving the money back because the money was sent to support his ideas

id say thats being pretty open

[Arben]

apparently you missed the times paul was on air and said right up front he did not support their ideas

he said he wasnt giving the money back because the money was sent to support his ideas

id say thats being pretty open
But his strongest point was the man being allowed to support who he wants. While in one individual statement, Obama denounced Farrakhan's actions. And in the most public of settings.

[PetreTG]

The war changed everything. Before 9/11, George Bush was a lame duck president.

With a grand total of 2 people that agree with Paul in Washington, he would be THE lame duck president if he were to be elected.

And please, nobody fears Ron Paul.

Bullshit . Anyone that wants to take away so much power from Congress and give it back to the people is feared ... especially when they sit in the big chair in the White House.

And only fools too stupid to understand the message , would not want what Paul is offering.

Instead they go for the rainbow wonderland fairytale bullshit being sold with charisma , obviously to dumb to even explain what it's about , but ... they like it. :doh:

I hope Obama does get elected , because I'm gonna "I told you dumb mother fuckers" for every fucking day he's in office and hopefully you will finally see you're like a retard , trying over and over to put a square peg in a round hole and couldn't figure out why every time it didn't fit. :kick:

[atomicdOGg34]

Look at how he's doing in the primaries and what voters he's attracting.

i see this:

hes winning:
blacks
upper class whites
independents
reagan democrats

hes losing:
women
white men
latinos
older people
less educated
working class

in the dem only primaries hes been losing just about all of them

hes lost all the big states
alot of the states hes won in the dems wont even be players in (take SC for instance, that win really got him going, yet he probably wont win that in the general)

but thats not even the point, so hes attracting voters, thats your answer?

thats not really a reason to believe he can do anything you say he can

wheres the evidence? what has he done that can show you he can bring people together?

what you gave is not an answer, atleast not a legitimate one

[atomicdOGg34]

if hillary is beating obama up on national security issues

mccain will eat him alive

[Arben]

Bullshit . Anyone that wants to take away so much power from Congress and give it back to the people is feared ... especially when they sit in the big chair in the White House.

And only fools too stupid to understand the message , would not want what Paul is offering.

Instead they go for the rainbow wonderland fairytale bullshit being sold with charisma , obviously to dumb to even explain what it's about , but ... they like it. :doh:

I hope Obama does get elected , because I'm gonna "I told you dumb mother fuckers" for every fucking day he's in office and hopefully you will finally see you're like a retard , trying over and over to put a square peg in a round hole and couldn't figure out why every time it didn't fit. :kick:
It would be nice if you understood how the government works. Because Paul would never allow to get anything passed if he were to become president.

And that constitues a lame duck president.

[PetreTG]

But he publicly denounced him, while Ron Paul's excuse to the public about the White Supremacist's support was, "Well, he's allowed to support who he wants," with hardly a mention of denouncing his racist opinions.

Action, buddy. Paul is all bark and no bite and has proven it throughout his entire career.

No it's called FREEDOM ... to do as you please so long as it doesn't harm others.

And TRUE FREEDOM means that the man supports others right to say and do anything they choose , even when they do not agree with it , so long as it does not harm others.

The ONLY reason Obama "denounced" Farrakhan was because he's smart enough to know THAT would have been political suicide.

[atomicdOGg34]

It would be nice if you understood how the government works. Because Paul would never allow to get anything passed if he were to become president.

And that constitues a lame duck president.

by that you mean he'd follow the constitution

[LOK]

Why is Paul even still in discussion here?

I like him but if I'm at a horse track and the horse I like has NO chance of winning.. I'm not going to put my money on him

[atomicdOGg34]

No it's called FREEDOM ... to do as you please so long as it doesn't harm others.

And TRUE FREEDOM means that the man supports others right to say and do anything they choose , even when they do not agree with it , so long as it does not harm others.

The ONLY reason Obama "denounced" Farrakhan was because he's smart enough to know THAT would have been political suicide.

bingo

[PetreTG]

It would be nice if you understood how the government works. Because Paul would never allow to get anything passed if he were to become president.

And that constitues a lame duck president.
Tell that to Bush , the president with the lowest popularity in the history of this country who has single handedly done more harm to this country and the constitution than any president in history.

Even when the Dems took control ... I told everyone here , watch ... they won't do shit to stop him .... and loolk what happened. NOTHIN. :kick:

A bunch of empty promise and a whole lotta hope from dopes dashed to pieces.

And you're STILL trying to put that square peg in .... pretty fucking dumb.

[Arben]

No it's called FREEDOM ... to do as you please so long as it doesn't harm others.

And TRUE FREEDOM means that the man supports others right to say and do anything they choose , even when they do not agree with it , so long as it does not harm others.

The ONLY reason Obama "denounced" Farrakhan was because he's smart enough to know THAT would have been political suicide.
He did it without hesitation because that's just the right thing to do.


Meanwhile, Ron Paul still hides the name of the racist that wrote in his name. I wonder what he has to hide?

[atomicdOGg34]

He did it without hesitation because that's just the right thing to do.


Meanwhile, Ron Paul still hides the name of the racist that wrote in his name. I wonder what he has to hide?

wasnt this shit from like 20 years ago?

you wanna talk about the past ok

wasnt obama hitting coke and smoking weed about 20 years ago?

[Arben]

wasnt this shit from like 20 years ago?

you wanna talk about the past ok

wasnt obama hitting coke and smoking weed about 20 years ago?
Yeah, he was. He admitted to what he did and when he did it.

He did something wrong, and when brought up, he took action.


Paul, on the other hand, protects racists.

[atomicdOGg34]

Yeah, he was. He admitted to what he did and when he did it.

He did something wrong, and when brought up, he took action.


Paul, on the other hand, protects racists.

if your going to use that as "proof" then be my guest, its laughable

and gets off the point anyways

no one has still brought up a legitimate reason to support obama

[Arben]

if your going to use that as "proof" then be my guest, its laughable

and gets off the point anyways

no one has still brought up a legitimate reason to support obama
I brought up a reason, and nobody has refuted it. The American public is speaking.

[phonetap]

i see this:

hes winning:
blacks (across the board regardless of educational, social and economic status)
upper class whites
independents
reagan democrats
republicans who cross over and vote
under 30

hes losing:
white women
latinos (across the board with the exception of younger/educated ones where he's drawing about even)
older people
less educated whites
working class whites

middle gorund:
white men

in the dem only primaries hes been losing just about allof them. i pulled this from my ass

hes lost most of the big states
alot of the states hes won in the dems wont even be players in (take SC for instance, that win really got him going, yet he probably wont win that in the general)

but thats not even the point, so hes attracting voters, thats your answer? rhetotical question

thats not really a reason to believe he can do anything you say he can

wheres the evidence? no answer will satisfy me. what has he done that can show you he can bring people together? i know, dumb question .

what you gave is not an answer, atleast not a legitimate one in my mind.

geez...you are nimrod. :doh: phonetap took the time to edit the above in RED, posting so now it makes some sense...

[atomicdOGg34]

I brought up a reason, and nobody has refuted it. The American public is speaking.

been refuted

dont know what to say, you wont take his word for it

yet you take obama on his word every time with no reason why

[phonetap]

Yeah, he was. He admitted to what he did and when he did it.

He did something wrong, and when brought up, he took action.


Paul, on the other hand, protects racists.

keyword: action.

paul isn't a man of action...notice how none of the paul supporters have answered the question.

[atomicdOGg34]

geez...you are nimrod. :doh: phonetap took the time to edit the above in RED, posting so now it makes some sense...

thanks for posting

now go away

[atomicdOGg34]

keyword: action.

paul isn't a man of action...notice how none of the paul supporters have answered the question.

:lol:

we gave you an answer, you just refuse to accept it

and a man of action

paul probably brings up more substantial legislation in a week than obama has his whole career

edit: and yeah obama took some action, he said "i denounce him", thats action right there, LOL

if you consider words action then obama is fucken rambo

if you consider putting forth substantiative legislation action, then paul is your man

[Arben]

been refuted

dont know what to say, you wont take his word for it

yet you take obama on his word every time with no reason why
Refuted by whom?

The American voters are speaking. The man they want for president is Barack Obama.

[atomicdOGg34]

Refuted by whom?

The American voters are speaking. The man they want for president is Barack Obama.

me, petre, paul himself

what more do you need?

jesus h christ

the man says it wasnt him, what more can he do

yet obama says he'll do this and that and you fucken gobble up every word

atleast paul has a voting record and a legislative record that actually shows he IS a man of action

wtf has obama done except make promises he has no intention of keeping (iraq and NAFTA), yet i havent heard a fucken peep about that

edit: LOL, the american voters dont even know who they want for a democratic nominee, let alone the presidency, your making it sound like hes blowing hillary away, he only leads by a little over 100 delegates and is behind in superdels

[LOK]

keyword: action.

paul isn't a man of action...notice how none of the paul supporters have answered the question.

I'll sum it up

Paul is the best
Politician in history and everyone agrees that's why he is not even in the running to be prez

[atomicdOGg34]

obama circa 20 years ago:

http://www.m0gga.net/chris/blog/tyrone.jpg

I SMOKE ROCKS!!

[phonetap]

:lol:

we gave you an answer, you just refuse to accept it

and a man of action

paul probably brings up more substantial legislation in a week than obama has his whole career

edit: and yeah obama took some action, he said "i denounce him", thats action right there, LOL

if you consider words action then obama is fucken rambo

if you consider putting forth substantiative legislation action, then paul is your man

ok...slapnuts, here is some bait for you...petre style:

Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation Signed into Law by the President

Thursday, January 11, 2007

http://obama.senate.gov/img/print.gif Printable Format (http://obama.senate.gov/press/070111-lugar-obama_non/print.php)
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Lugar Contact: Andy Fisher, 202-224-2079, andy_fisher@lugar.senate.gov, http:// lugar.senate.gov
Obama Contact: Tommy Vietor, 202-228-5511, tommy_vietor@obama.senate.gov, http://obama.senate.gov
Date: January 11, 2007

Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation Signed into Law by the President

WASHINGTON – President Bush today signed the Lugar-Obama proliferation and threat reduction initiative into law.

Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.

"The United States should do more to eliminate conventional weapons stockpiles and assist other nations in detecting and interdicting weapons of mass destruction. We believe that these functions are underfunded, fragmented and in need of high-level support," said Lugar, Republican leader of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

"The Lugar-Obama initiative will help other nations find and eliminate conventional weapons that have been used against our own soldiers in Iraq and sought by terrorists all over the world," said Obama. "The Nunn-Lugar program has effectively disposed of thousands of weapons of mass destruction, but we must do far more to keep deadly conventional weapons like anti-aircraft missiles out of the hands of terrorists."

"We want to ensure that our government has the capacity to deal quickly with vulnerable stockpiles of shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, otherwise known as Man-Portable Air-Defense Systems (MANPADS). Such weapons could be used by terrorists to attack commercial airliners, military installations and government facilities here at home and abroad. Al Qaeda reportedly has attempted to acquire MANPADS on a number of occasions," said Lugar.

The Lugar-Obama initiative would energize the U.S. program against unsecured, lightweight anti-aircraft missiles and other conventional weapons. There may be as many as 750,000 man-portable air defense systems in arsenals worldwide, and the State Department estimates that more than 40 civilian aircraft have been hit by such weapons since the 1970s. In addition, loose stocks of small arms and other weapons help fuel civil wars in Africa and elsewhere and provide the means for attacks on peacekeepers and aid workers seeking to stabilize war-torn societies. In Iraq, unsecured stockpiles of artillery shells and ammunition have been reconfigured into improvised explosive devices (IEDs) that have become an effective weapon for insurgents.

"Lugar-Obama would also strengthen the ability of America's allies to detect and interdict illegal shipments of weapons and materials of mass destruction, a critical step in securing these weapons before they ever fall into the hands of terrorists that has not been a focus of current anti-terrorism efforts," Obama said.

Lugar and Obama traveled together to Russia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan in August 2005 to oversee a number of Nunn-Lugar projects. In Ukraine they saw a conventional weapons facility that is typical of the focus of the new legislation.

The Lugar-Obama initiative is modeled after the Nunn-Lugar program that focuses on weapons of mass destruction in the former Soviet Union. Lugar and former Senator Sam Nunn (D-GA) authored the program in 1991. It has provided U.S. funding and expertise to help the former Soviet Union safeguard and dismantle its enormous stockpiles of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, related materials, and delivery systems. Among many accomplishments, the program has deactivated 7,000 nuclear warheads and reemployed 58,000 scientists in peaceful research. Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan are nuclear weapons free as a result of cooperative efforts under the Nunn-Lugar program. They otherwise would be the world's the third, fourth and eighth largest nuclear weapons powers, respectively.

----------------------------------------------------------

now...post some or any legistation that ron paul sponsored that was passed through congres, the senate and signed into law by the president of the united states. tag, your it. :laughing:

[LOK]

ok...slapnuts, here is some bait for you...petre style:

Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation Signed into Law by the President

Thursday, January 11, 2007

http://obama.senate.gov/img/print.gif Printable Format (http://obama.senate.gov/press/070111-lugar-obama_non/print.php)
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Lugar Contact: Andy Fisher, 202-224-2079, andy_fisher@lugar.senate.gov, http:// lugar.senate.gov
Obama Contact: Tommy Vietor, 202-228-5511, tommy_vietor@obama.senate.gov, http://obama.senate.gov
Date: January 11, 2007

Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation Signed into Law by the President

WASHINGTON – President Bush today signed the Lugar-Obama proliferation and threat reduction initiative into law.

Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.

"The United States should do more to eliminate conventional weapons stockpiles and assist other nations in detecting and interdicting weapons of mass destruction. We believe that these functions are underfunded, fragmented and in need of high-level support," said Lugar, Republican leader of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

"The Lugar-Obama initiative will help other nations find and eliminate conventional weapons that have been used against our own soldiers in Iraq and sought by terrorists all over the world," said Obama. "The Nunn-Lugar program has effectively disposed of thousands of weapons of mass destruction, but we must do far more to keep deadly conventional weapons like anti-aircraft missiles out of the hands of terrorists."

"We want to ensure that our government has the capacity to deal quickly with vulnerable stockpiles of shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, otherwise known as Man-Portable Air-Defense Systems (MANPADS). Such weapons could be used by terrorists to attack commercial airliners, military installations and government facilities here at home and abroad. Al Qaeda reportedly has attempted to acquire MANPADS on a number of occasions," said Lugar.

The Lugar-Obama initiative would energize the U.S. program against unsecured, lightweight anti-aircraft missiles and other conventional weapons. There may be as many as 750,000 man-portable air defense systems in arsenals worldwide, and the State Department estimates that more than 40 civilian aircraft have been hit by such weapons since the 1970s. In addition, loose stocks of small arms and other weapons help fuel civil wars in Africa and elsewhere and provide the means for attacks on peacekeepers and aid workers seeking to stabilize war-torn societies. In Iraq, unsecured stockpiles of artillery shells and ammunition have been reconfigured into improvised explosive devices (IEDs) that have become an effective weapon for insurgents.

"Lugar-Obama would also strengthen the ability of America's allies to detect and interdict illegal shipments of weapons and materials of mass destruction, a critical step in securing these weapons before they ever fall into the hands of terrorists that has not been a focus of current anti-terrorism efforts," Obama said.

Lugar and Obama traveled together to Russia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan in August 2005 to oversee a number of Nunn-Lugar projects. In Ukraine they saw a conventional weapons facility that is typical of the focus of the new legislation.

The Lugar-Obama initiative is modeled after the Nunn-Lugar program that focuses on weapons of mass destruction in the former Soviet Union. Lugar and former Senator Sam Nunn (D-GA) authored the program in 1991. It has provided U.S. funding and expertise to help the former Soviet Union safeguard and dismantle its enormous stockpiles of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, related materials, and delivery systems. Among many accomplishments, the program has deactivated 7,000 nuclear warheads and reemployed 58,000 scientists in peaceful research. Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan are nuclear weapons free as a result of cooperative efforts under the Nunn-Lugar program. They otherwise would be the world's the third, fourth and eighth largest nuclear weapons powers, respectively.

----------------------------------------------------------

now...post some or any legistation that ron paul sponsored that was passed through congres, the senate and signed into law by the president of the united states. tag, your it. :laughing:
:bears:

[atomicdOGg34]

The Lugar-Obama initiative is modeled after the Nunn-Lugar program that focuses on weapons of mass destruction in the former Soviet Union. Lugar and former Senator Sam Nunn (D-GA) authored the program in 1991.

:lol:

kinda like some of his speeches

[Arben]

me, petre, paul himself

what more do you need?

jesus h christ

the man says it wasnt him, what more can he do

yet obama says he'll do this and that and you fucken gobble up every word

atleast paul has a voting record and a legislative record that actually shows he IS a man of action

wtf has obama done except make promises he has no intention of keeping (iraq and NAFTA), yet i havent heard a fucken peep about that

edit: LOL, the american voters dont even know who they want for a democratic nominee, let alone the presidency, your making it sound like hes blowing hillary away, he only leads by a little over 100 delegates and is behind in superdels
You haven't refuted anything. You can't refute what the people want. You can't deny that Obama has shown the crossover appeal, because the results speak for themself.

The voters are speaking. His message has crossed boundaries, and he has proven that he is the one that unites Americans.

edit: LOL, for someone who supports Paul, It's pretty stupid to joke about the voters that Obama has managed to bring in.

[atomicdOGg34]

You haven't refuted anything. You can't refute what the people want. You can't deny that Obama has shown the crossover appeal, because the results speak for themself.

The voters are speaking. His message has crossed boundaries, and he has proven that he is the one that unites Americans.

edit: LOL, for someone who supports Paul, It's pretty stupid to joke about the voters that Obama has managed to bring in.

and where did i make this supposed joke?

[Arben]

and where did i make this supposed joke?
here

edit: LOL, the american voters dont even know who they want for a democratic nominee, let alone the presidency, your making it sound like hes blowing hillary away, he only leads by a little over 100 delegates and is behind in superdels

[atomicdOGg34]

here

how is that a joke, its the simple truth

the democratic nomination isnt even over

obama just lost 3 out of 4 in case you missed it

and clinton DOES have more superdels

popular vote is pretty much even

maybe your confused

[REEDsART]

*My Name is REED & I SUPPORT this Post*


This ENTIRE Thread EMBODIES why REED Doesn't Give a Flying Fuck about Politics:rolleyes: ...

There's 3-4 Sides to EVERY Argument, EVERYBODY SWEARS THEIR "Guy" is the RIGHT Guy....Everybody SWEARS THEIR "Guy" has All the Answers & that the Opposition is CLUELESS...

EVERY CANDIDATE Uses "Buzzwords", Cliches & Other GENERIC Verbiage, yet their Supporters Accuse OTHER Candidates of Doing it...EVERYBODY NITPicks the Opposition while Bending Over Backwards to Cut THEIR "Guy" some SLACK...

& the WORST Part of it All is the ARROGANCE w/Which Peeps DEBATE This Shit...Political Debates R about as POINTLESS As Arguing w/your Spouse...

& Regardless WHAT Political Party U Align Yourself w/U're 100% GUILTY of what REED is Bitching about...

REED:rolleyes:

*This Post has Been Sponsored by REED's Own Private Idaho/Political Party*

[phonetap]

The Lugar-Obama initiative is modeled after the Nunn-Lugar program that focuses on weapons of mass destruction in the former Soviet Union. Lugar and former Senator Sam Nunn (D-GA) authored the program in 1991.

:lol:

kinda like some of his speeches

tick, tock....tick, tock....tick, tock...

the clock is ticking and still no legislative accomplishments have been posted for ron paul...like your candidate, you guys are all talk, no action. :laughing:

[slystaff]

*My Name is REED & I SUPPORT this Post*

:lol: Nice.

[PetreTG]

:lol:

we gave you an answer, you just refuse to accept it

and a man of action

paul probably brings up more substantial legislation in a week than obama has his whole career

edit: and yeah obama took some action, he said "i denounce him", thats action right there, LOL

if you consider words action then obama is fucken rambo

if you consider putting forth substantiative legislation action, then paul is your man

Yep ... but I have to go back to my original conclusion and really stop wasting my time. People can be easily fooled by words. When they're told what they want to hear , they forget what they need to hear and simply get fooled once again.

Obama is the weak minded vote . His supporters cannot and do not understand why they vote for him. He's just the man that makes them feel good and says what they want to hear. CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN. Empty words with no plan of action. Reminds me of going to church and listening to an uplifting sermon by a preacher who barely knows the bible and never opens one.

Paul was the intelligent man's vote. MANY here would have voted for him. Unfortunately , they , like most bought the "he can't win so I don't want to waste my vote" trick. Not realizing they will be wasting probably the most important vote of our lifetime on another shyster who's in the club. The club that really doesn't give a fuck about the people ... and when it's all over , then they finally realize "FUCK , I got fooled again" :doh:

[Arben]

how is that a joke, its the simple truth

the democratic nomination isnt even over

obama just lost 3 out of 4 in case you missed it

and clinton DOES have more superdels

popular vote is pretty much even

maybe your confused
The guy who wasn't supposed to come close to Hillary is beating her, and is on track to get the election barring any back room shennanigans from the Clintons.

Like I said. The results speak for themself. He has shown more ability to unite America than any other candidate.

Meanwhile, Ron Paul can't even get America to notice him.

[slystaff]

The funny thing is that I remember about 3-4 years ago, PetreTG was teh FIRST PERSON on this site to draw everyone's attention to Obama...saying that he was a great man with tremendous potential and it'll be nice to see him as the first black president.

Now that this same man has a realistic chance of achieving exactly this, something has changed.

Why? :popcorn:

[Anthony]

Arben and phonetap. What would you guys do if he Florida and Michigan are allowed to vote again? And what would you guys say if Obama wins the popular vote but the Super Dels decide Clinton?

[Anthony]

The funny thing is that I remember about 3-4 years ago, PetreTG was teh FIRST PERSON on this site to draw everyone's attention to Obama...saying that he was a great man with tremendous potential and it'll be nice to see him as the first black president.

Now that this same man has a realistic chance of achieving exactly this, something has changed.

Why? :popcorn:Was that before or right around the time he had just been voted into the senate?

[phonetap]

Yep ... but I have to go back to my original conclusion and really stop wasting my time. People can be easily fooled by words. When they're told what they want to hear , they forget what they need to hear and simply get fooled once again.

Obama is the weak minded vote . His supporters cannot and do not understand why they vote for him. He's just the man that makes them feel good and says what they want to hear. CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN. Empty words with no plan of action. Reminds me of going to church and listening to an uplifting sermon by a preacher who barely knows the bible and never opens one.

Paul was the intelligent man's vote. MANY here would have voted for him. Unfortunately , they , like most bought the "he can't win so I don't want to waste my vote" trick. Not realizing they will be wasting probably the most important vote of our lifetime on another shyster who's in the club. The club that really doesn't give a fuck about the people ... and when it's all over , then they finally realize "FUCK , I got fooled again" :doh:

this pretty much sums up you ron paul supporters...ron paul gives good lectures but never follows through with tangible results. vote down everything, propose and pass nothing...:laughing:

[PetreTG]

obama circa 20 years ago:

http://www.m0gga.net/chris/blog/tyrone.jpg

I SMOKE ROCKS!!

:lol: According to Larry Sinclair that was about 9 years ago.

Add a white boy smoking Obama's pole and you got it.

And seeing as how Obama admittedly befriends the Weathermen who have admitted some homosexual greekesque behavior ... I'm not so sure it's a big stretch.

[slystaff]

My theory on the matter is that Petre's black wife recently left him for some young black stud and took half his money....


























:lol:

[Arben]

Arben and phonetap. What would you guys do if he Florida and Michigan are allowed to vote again? And what would you guys say if Obama wins the popular vote but the Super Dels decide Clinton?
I'd say what I have been saying. The system of Primaries is broken.

[atomicdOGg34]

tick, tock....tick, tock....tick, tock...

the clock is ticking and still no legislative accomplishments have been posted for ron paul...like your candidate, you guys are all talk, no action. :laughing:

ron paul:

sponsored: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery

co-sponsored: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery

thats just for the 108th congress btw

im sure if you look at the type of legislation both work on youll see a stark difference, pauls actually makes a difference while obama sponsors shit like global poverty act

fucken links dont work, sorry, ill try again

[PetreTG]

The funny thing is that I remember about 3-4 years ago, PetreTG was teh FIRST PERSON on this site to draw everyone's attention to Obama...saying that he was a great man with tremendous potential and it'll be nice to see him as the first black president.

Now that this same man has a realistic chance of achieving exactly this, something has changed.

Why? :popcorn:

I think you've been smoking crack with Obama. Obama has been a running joke for most of the people of Illinois because he didn't do jack shit . As a matter of fact , had it not been for the fact that Ryan turned out to be "crookeder" than Obama and ran one of the worst campaigns in history , Obama may have never been elected at all. :lol:

[slystaff]

I think you've been smoking crack with Obama. Obama has been a running joke for most of the people of Illinois because he didn't do jack shit . As a matter of fact , had it not been for the fact that Ryan turned out to be "crookeder" than Obama and ran one of the worst campaigns in history , Obama may have never been elected at all. :lol:

So why did he beat Clinton some 70-30 in that state's primary? :notallthere:

[PetreTG]

ron paul:

sponsored: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery

co-sponsored: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery

thats just for the 108th congress btw

im sure if you look at the type of legislation both work on youll see a stark difference, pauls actually makes a difference while obama sponsors shit like global poverty act

They're never going to get it. To busy being hypnotized. You'll notice that none STILL can give reason for Obama beyond he's a great public speaker.

They're like the girls swooning over him like idiots with nothing intelligent to say.

[atomicdOGg34]

http://www.house.gov/paul/legis/welcome.htm

there, that will give you what he has sponsored and cosponsored for both the 107th and 108th congress

edit: for those too lazy to look

in the 107th congress he sponsored 68 things and co-sponsored 323 things

in the 108th congress hes sponsored 76 things and cosponsored 354 things

good enough? now please explain how obama is gonna fix the healthcare system, how hes gonna fix soc sec, wtf the deal is with the global poverty act, wtf is the deal with the whole iraq thing

[phonetap]

Arben and phonetap. What would you guys do if he Florida and Michigan are allowed to vote again? And what would you guys say if Obama wins the popular vote but the Super Dels decide Clinton?

the interesting things is the ones pushing the hardest for this are the ones who want clinton to win. the republican governor of florida would prefer clinton and/or anarchy in the democratic party...his intentions are clear. the female governor or michigan is a clinton supporter so we know where her loyalties lie. her only true interest is getting hillary those votes and delegates.

either way if they do the primaries over and hillary somehow pulls it out and wins the nomination, john mccain will be president. hillary's exit strategy is...pull the rug out from under obama then half-heartedly offer him the VP slot. if that is the case and barack is as smart as phonetap thinks he is, barack will say fuck you bitch and move on.

bottom line, while phonetap is a democrat, by and large democrats are dumb....they'll figure out a way to fuck it up.

[PetreTG]

OH ... and BTW to all you brilliant Obama supporters ....

FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING BACK ON TOPIC ...

How many realize OBAMA'S CHOSEN PLACE OF WORSHIP , HONORED Louis Farrakahn with a LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD.

Great place Ole Barack Hussein Osama spends his week end sunday WORSHIP at .... But he dennounced Farrakahn ....

My ass ... Phoney as a 3 dollar bill.

It's gonna be funny if he wins .... I'm rooting for him now just so I can laugh at you asshole that let him pop your cherries. :lol:
==============

In December 2007, the Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC) OBAMA'S CHURCH .. bestowed its highest social achievement award upon Louis Farrakhan, the head of the Nation of Islam.This was facilitated through the church's publication Trumpet Magazine and presented at their end of the year awards gala. The award dubbed the Lifetime Achievement "Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Trumpet" Award is named after the head pastor that married Barack and Michele Obama nee Robinson.

According to the Church's publication, "the decision was made to honor socially conscious giants who commit their life's work (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1427/how_to_love_work.html) to saving the lives of Africans on the continent and in the Diaspora."

In addition to thanking God (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1570/god.html) for the commitment of their sponsors the publisher Jeri L. Wright, the pastor's daughter, also concludes by writing (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1424/writing_freelancing_landing_jobs_honing.html) "we thank God (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1570/god.html) for the commitment our honorees have made with their lives"

Among the church's other honorees, including congresswoman Maxine Waters, Louis Farrakhan earned top accolades with landing on the cover of the church's publication. The featured article about Farrakhan includes this observation attributed to the Reverend Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Jr.

"When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1482/america.html) listens," says
the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, likening the Minister's influence to
the E. F. Hutton commercials of old.

- fools.

[phonetap]

ron paul:

sponsored: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery

co-sponsored: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery

thats just for the 108th congress btw

im sure if you look at the type of legislation both work on youll see a stark difference, pauls actually makes a difference while obama sponsors shit like global poverty act

fucken links dont work, sorry, ill try again

the links aren't working.

[atomicdOGg34]

obama and farrakhan will beam us back to the mothership

[atomicdOGg34]

the links aren't working.

couple posts up

[Anthony]

the interesting things is the ones pushing the hardest for this are the ones who want clinton to win. the republican governor of florida would prefer clinton and/or anarchy in the democratic party...his intentions are clear. the female governor or michigan is a clinton supporter so we know where her loyalties lie. her only true interest is getting hillary those votes and delegates.

either way if they do the primaries over and hillary somehow pulls it out and wins the nomination, john mccain will be president. hillary's exit strategy is...pull the rug out from under obama then half-heartedly offer him the VP slot. if that is the case and barack is as smart as phonetap thinks he is, barack will say fuck you bitch and move on.

bottom line, while phonetap is a democrat, by and large democrats are dumb....they'll figure out a way to fuck it up.I think Hilary is trying to ruin the demoractic party if she doesnt get the nod. She is very Selfish IMO.

[atomicdOGg34]

the interesting things is the ones pushing the hardest for this are the ones who want clinton to win. the republican governor of florida would prefer clinton and/or anarchy in the democratic party...his intentions are clear. the female governor or michigan is a clinton supporter so we know where her loyalties lie. her only true interest is getting hillary those votes and delegates.

either way if they do the primaries over and hillary somehow pulls it out and wins the nomination, john mccain will be president. hillary's exit strategy is...pull the rug out from under obama then half-heartedly offer him the VP slot. if that is the case and barack is as smart as phonetap thinks he is, barack will say fuck you bitch and move on.

bottom line, while phonetap is a democrat, by and large democrats are dumb....they'll figure out a way to fuck it up.

you realize obama supports re-doing the primaries right?

[PetreTG]

http://www.house.gov/paul/legis/welcome.htm

there, that will give you what he has sponsored and cosponsored for both the 107th and 108th congress

edit: for those too lazy to look

in the 107th congress he sponsored 68 things and co-sponsored 323 things

in the 108th congress hes sponsored 76 things and cosponsored 354 things

good enough? now please explain how obama is gonna fix the healthcare system, how hes gonna fix soc sec, wtf the deal is with the global poverty act, wtf is the deal with the whole iraq thing

Paul has sponsored more important , MEANINGFUL and beneficial for the people , legislation in one year than Obama has during his entire career or even thought of. But I guess because the boys club shoots him down time and again because they're having too much fun with our tax dollars , that it's meaningless.

Little do they realize or understand that it's the one they fight and reject , that's most likely the one to support.

[atomicdOGg34]

heres a fundamental question for obama supporters

obama wants to spend spend spend all this money

where the hell is it going to come from, he sure as hell isnt talking about cutting spending any

theres a reason hes the most liberal member of congress

hes classic tax and spend

[PetreTG]

Let's see how long it takes for someone to address this

OH ... and BTW to all you brilliant Obama supporters ....

FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING BACK ON TOPIC ...

How many realize OBAMA'S CHOSEN PLACE OF WORSHIP , HONORED Louis Farrakahn with a LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD.

Great place Ole Barack Hussein Osama spends his week end sunday WORSHIP at .... But he dennounced Farrakahn ....

My ass ... Phoney as a 3 dollar bill.

It's gonna be funny if he wins .... I'm rooting for him now just so I can laugh at you asshole that let him pop your cherries. :lol:
==============

In December 2007, the Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC) OBAMA'S CHURCH .. bestowed its highest social achievement award upon Louis Farrakhan, the head of the Nation of Islam.This was facilitated through the church's publication Trumpet Magazine and presented at their end of the year awards gala. The award dubbed the Lifetime Achievement "Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Trumpet" Award is named after the head pastor that married Barack and Michele Obama nee Robinson.

According to the Church's publication, "the decision was made to honor socially conscious giants who commit their life's work (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1427/how_to_love_work.html) to saving the lives of Africans on the continent and in the Diaspora."

In addition to thanking God (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1570/god.html) for the commitment of their sponsors the publisher Jeri L. Wright, the pastor's daughter, also concludes by writing (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1424/writing_freelancing_landing_jobs_honing.html) "we thank God (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1570/god.html) for the commitment our honorees have made with their lives"

Among the church's other honorees, including congresswoman Maxine Waters, Louis Farrakhan earned top accolades with landing on the cover of the church's publication. The featured article about Farrakhan includes this observation attributed to the Reverend Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Jr.

"When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1482/america.html) listens," says
the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, likening the Minister's influence to
the E. F. Hutton commercials of old.

[Arben]

3 minutes

Let's see how long it takes for someone to address this

OH ... and BTW to all you brilliant Obama supporters ....

FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING BACK ON TOPIC ...

How many realize OBAMA'S CHOSEN PLACE OF WORSHIP , HONORED Louis Farrakahn with a LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD.

Great place Ole Barack Hussein Osama spends his week end sunday WORSHIP at .... But he dennounced Farrakahn ....

My ass ... Phoney as a 3 dollar bill.

It's gonna be funny if he wins .... I'm rooting for him now just so I can laugh at you asshole that let him pop your cherries. :lol:
==============

In December 2007, the Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC) OBAMA'S CHURCH .. bestowed its highest social achievement award upon Louis Farrakhan, the head of the Nation of Islam.This was facilitated through the church's publication Trumpet Magazine and presented at their end of the year awards gala. The award dubbed the Lifetime Achievement "Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Trumpet" Award is named after the head pastor that married Barack and Michele Obama nee Robinson.

According to the Church's publication, "the decision was made to honor socially conscious giants who commit their life's work (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1427/how_to_love_work.html) to saving the lives of Africans on the continent and in the Diaspora."

In addition to thanking God (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1570/god.html) for the commitment of their sponsors the publisher Jeri L. Wright, the pastor's daughter, also concludes by writing (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1424/writing_freelancing_landing_jobs_honing.html) "we thank God (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1570/god.html) for the commitment our honorees have made with their lives"

Among the church's other honorees, including congresswoman Maxine Waters, Louis Farrakhan earned top accolades with landing on the cover of the church's publication. The featured article about Farrakhan includes this observation attributed to the Reverend Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Jr.

"When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1482/america.html) listens," says
the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, likening the Minister's influence to
the E. F. Hutton commercials of old.
Meanwhile, Obama publicly denounced Farrakhan on primetime TV.

What's your point?


Hey Petre, what's the name of the guy that supposedly wrote racist remarks in Ron Paul's name?

[toomuchsol]

heres a fundamental question for obama supporters

obama wants to spend spend spend all this money

where the hell is it going to come from, he sure as hell isnt talking about cutting spending any

theres a reason hes the most liberal member of congress

hes classic tax and spend

From his website:

Restore Fiscal Discipline to Washington


Reinstate PAYGO Rules: Obama believes that a critical step in restoring fiscal discipline is enforcing pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) budgeting rules which require new spending commitments or tax changes to be paid for by cuts to other programs or new revenue.
Reverse Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy: Obama will protect tax cuts for poor and middle class families, but he will reverse most of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers.
Cut Pork Barrel Spending: Obama introduced and passed bipartisan legislation that would require more disclosure and transparency for special-interest earmarks. Obama believes that spending that cannot withstand public scrutiny cannot be justified. Obama will slash earmarks to no greater than year 2001 levels and ensure all spending decisions are open to the public.
Make Government Spending More Accountable and Efficient: Obama will ensure that federal contracts over $25,000 are competitively bid. Obama will also increase the efficiency of government programs through better use of technology, stronger management that demands accountability and by leveraging the government's high-volume purchasing power to get lower prices.
End Wasteful Government Spending: Obama will stop funding wasteful, obsolete federal government programs that make no financial sense. Obama has called for an end to subsidies for oil and gas companies that are enjoying record profits, as well as the elimination of subsidies to the private student loan industry which has repeatedly used unethical business practices. Obama will also tackle wasteful spending in the Medicare program.Make the Tax System More Fair and Efficient


End Tax Haven Abuse: Building on his bipartisan work in the Senate, Obama will give the Treasury Department the tools it needs to stop the abuse of tax shelters and offshore tax havens and help close the $350 billion tax gap between taxes owed and taxes paid.
Close Special Interest Corporate Loopholes: Obama will level the playing field for all businesses by eliminating special-interest loopholes and deductions, such as those for the oil and gas industry.Barack Obama's Record


PAYGO: Obama voted in 2005, 2006, and 2007 to reinstate pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) federal budget rules.
No-Bid Contracts: Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.
Against Raising the Federal Debt Limit: In 2006, Obama voted against misguided Republican efforts to raise the statutory debt limit at the same time the Republicans were pushing through massive debt-financed tax cuts for the wealthy.

[PetreTG]

Meanwhile, Obama publicly denounced Farrakhan on primetime TV.

What's your point?


Hey Petre, what's the name of the guy that supposedly wrote racist remarks in Ron Paul's name?

I dunno .... 30 years ago I was Playing Led Zepplin on my guitar. :rolleyes:

[Arben]

I dunno .... 30 years ago I was Playing Led Zepplin on my guitar. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:

[PetreTG]

From his website:

Restore Fiscal Discipline to Washington

Reinstate PAYGO Rules: Obama believes that a critical step in restoring fiscal discipline is enforcing pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) budgeting rules which require new spending commitments or tax changes to be paid for by cuts to other programs or new revenue.
Reverse Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy: Obama will protect tax cuts for poor and middle class families, but he will reverse most of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers.
Cut Pork Barrel Spending: Obama introduced and passed bipartisan legislation that would require more disclosure and transparency for special-interest earmarks. Obama believes that spending that cannot withstand public scrutiny cannot be justified. Obama will slash earmarks to no greater than year 2001 levels and ensure all spending decisions are open to the public.
Make Government Spending More Accountable and Efficient: Obama will ensure that federal contracts over $25,000 are competitively bid. Obama will also increase the efficiency of government programs through better use of technology, stronger management that demands accountability and by leveraging the government's high-volume purchasing power to get lower prices.
End Wasteful Government Spending: Obama will stop funding wasteful, obsolete federal government programs that make no financial sense. Obama has called for an end to subsidies for oil and gas companies that are enjoying record profits, as well as the elimination of subsidies to the private student loan industry which has repeatedly used unethical business practices. Obama will also tackle wasteful spending in the Medicare program.Make the Tax System More Fair and Efficient

End Tax Haven Abuse: Building on his bipartisan work in the Senate, Obama will give the Treasury Department the tools it needs to stop the abuse of tax shelters and offshore tax havens and help close the $350 billion tax gap between taxes owed and taxes paid.
Close Special Interest Corporate Loopholes: Obama will level the playing field for all businesses by eliminating special-interest loopholes and deductions, such as those for the oil and gas industry.Barack Obama's Record

PAYGO: Obama voted in 2005, 2006, and 2007 to reinstate pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) federal budget rules.
No-Bid Contracts: Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.
Against Raising the Federal Debt Limit: In 2006, Obama voted against misguided Republican efforts to raise the statutory debt limit at the same time the Republicans were pushing through massive debt-financed tax cuts for the wealthy.

You really should break that down and then look at his other platforms on Global Tax , Illegal Immigration , Healthcare ....

The idiot contradicts himself :lol:

And to answer PhoneTapouts question ... what has he done ....WOW that's an impressive record !!!

http://cagle.com/news/ObamaObama/images/keefe.gif

[phonetap]

The New Republic
Angry White Man by James Kirchick
The bigoted past of Ron Paul.
Post Date Tuesday, January 08, 2008

If you are a critic of the Bush administration, chances are that, at some point over the past six months, Ron Paul has said something that appealed to you. Paul describes himself as a libertarian, but, since his presidential campaign took off earlier this year, the Republican congressman has attracted donations and plaudits from across the ideological spectrum. Antiwar conservatives, disaffected centrists, even young liberal activists have all flocked to Paul, hailing him as a throwback to an earlier age, when politicians were less mealy-mouthed and American government was more modest in its ambitions, both at home and abroad. In The New York Times Magazine, conservative writer Christopher Caldwell gushed that Paul is a "formidable stander on constitutional principle," while The Nation wrote of "his full-throated rejection of the imperial project in Iraq." Former TNR editor Andrew Sullivan endorsed Paul for the GOP nomination, and ABC's Jake Tapper described the candidate as "the one true straight-talker in this race." Even The Wall Street Journal, the newspaper of the elite bankers whom Paul detests, recently advised other Republican presidential contenders not to "dismiss the passion he's tapped."
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Most voters had never heard of Paul before he launched his quixotic bid for the Republican nomination. But the Texan has been active in politics for decades. And, long before he was the darling of antiwar activists on the left and right, Paul was in the newsletter business. In the age before blogs, newsletters occupied a prominent place in right-wing political discourse. With the pages of mainstream political magazines typically off-limits to their views (National Review editor William F. Buckley having famously denounced the John Birch Society), hardline conservatives resorted to putting out their own, less glossy publications. These were often paranoid and rambling--dominated by talk of international banking conspiracies, the Trilateral Commission's plans for world government, and warnings about coming Armageddon--but some of them had wide and devoted audiences. And a few of the most prominent bore the name of Ron Paul.
Paul's newsletters (http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=74978161-f730-43a2-91c3-de262573a129) have carried different titles over the years--Ron Paul's Freedom Report, Ron Paul Political Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report--but they generally seem to have been published on a monthly basis since at least 1978. (Paul, an OB-GYN and former U.S. Air Force surgeon, was first elected to Congress in 1976.) During some periods, the newsletters were published by the Foundation for Rational Economics and Education, a nonprofit Paul founded in 1976; at other times, they were published by Ron Paul & Associates, a now-defunct entity in which Paul owned a minority stake, according to his campaign spokesman. The Freedom Report claimed to have over 100,000 readers in 1984. At one point, Ron Paul & Associates also put out a monthly publication called The Ron Paul Investment Letter.
The Freedom Report's online archives only go back to 1999, but I was curious to see older editions of Paul's newsletters, in part because of a controversy dating to 1996, when Charles "Lefty" Morris, a Democrat running against Paul for a House seat, released excerpts stating that "opinion polls consistently show only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions," that "if you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be," and that black representative Barbara Jordan is "the archetypical half-educated victimologist" whose "race and sex protect her from criticism." At the time, Paul's campaign said that Morris had quoted the newsletter out of context. Later, in 2001, Paul would claim that someone else had written the controversial passages. (Few of the newsletters contain actual bylines.) Caldwell, writing in the Times Magazine last year, said he found Paul's explanation believable, "since the style diverges widely from his own."
Finding the pre-1999 newsletters was no easy task, but I was able to track many of them down at the libraries of the University of Kansas and the Wisconsin Historical Society. Of course, with few bylines, it is difficult to know whether any particular article was written by Paul himself. Some of the earlier newsletters are signed by him, though the vast majority of the editions I saw contain no bylines at all. Complicating matters, many of the unbylined newsletters were written in the first person, implying that Paul was the author.
But, whoever actually wrote them, the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul's name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him--and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing--but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics.

[PetreTG]

:rolleyes:

That's all you got ... something from 30 years ago. :lol:

[PetreTG]

The New Republic
Angry White Man by James Kirchick
The bigoted past of Ron Paul.
Post Date Tuesday, January 08, 2008

If you are a critic of the Bush administration, chances are that, at some point over the past six months, Ron Paul has said something that appealed to you. Paul describes himself as a libertarian, but, since his presidential campaign took off earlier this year, the Republican congressman has attracted donations and plaudits from across the ideological spectrum. Antiwar conservatives, disaffected centrists, even young liberal activists have all flocked to Paul, hailing him as a throwback to an earlier age, when politicians were less mealy-mouthed and American government was more modest in its ambitions, both at home and abroad. In The New York Times Magazine, conservative writer Christopher Caldwell gushed that Paul is a "formidable stander on constitutional principle," while The Nation wrote of "his full-throated rejection of the imperial project in Iraq." Former TNR editor Andrew Sullivan endorsed Paul for the GOP nomination, and ABC's Jake Tapper described the candidate as "the one true straight-talker in this race." Even The Wall Street Journal, the newspaper of the elite bankers whom Paul detests, recently advised other Republican presidential contenders not to "dismiss the passion he's tapped."
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Most voters had never heard of Paul before he launched his quixotic bid for the Republican nomination. But the Texan has been active in politics for decades. And, long before he was the darling of antiwar activists on the left and right, Paul was in the newsletter business. In the age before blogs, newsletters occupied a prominent place in right-wing political discourse. With the pages of mainstream political magazines typically off-limits to their views (National Review editor William F. Buckley having famously denounced the John Birch Society), hardline conservatives resorted to putting out their own, less glossy publications. These were often paranoid and rambling--dominated by talk of international banking conspiracies, the Trilateral Commission's plans for world government, and warnings about coming Armageddon--but some of them had wide and devoted audiences. And a few of the most prominent bore the name of Ron Paul.
Paul's newsletters (http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=74978161-f730-43a2-91c3-de262573a129) have carried different titles over the years--Ron Paul's Freedom Report, Ron Paul Political Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report--but they generally seem to have been published on a monthly basis since at least 1978. (Paul, an OB-GYN and former U.S. Air Force surgeon, was first elected to Congress in 1976.) During some periods, the newsletters were published by the Foundation for Rational Economics and Education, a nonprofit Paul founded in 1976; at other times, they were published by Ron Paul & Associates, a now-defunct entity in which Paul owned a minority stake, according to his campaign spokesman. The Freedom Report claimed to have over 100,000 readers in 1984. At one point, Ron Paul & Associates also put out a monthly publication called The Ron Paul Investment Letter.
The Freedom Report's online archives only go back to 1999, but I was curious to see older editions of Paul's newsletters, in part because of a controversy dating to 1996, when Charles "Lefty" Morris, a Democrat running against Paul for a House seat, released excerpts stating that "opinion polls consistently show only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions," that "if you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be," and that black representative Barbara Jordan is "the archetypical half-educated victimologist" whose "race and sex protect her from criticism." At the time, Paul's campaign said that Morris had quoted the newsletter out of context. Later, in 2001, Paul would claim that someone else had written the controversial passages. (Few of the newsletters contain actual bylines.) Caldwell, writing in the Times Magazine last year, said he found Paul's explanation believable, "since the style diverges widely from his own."
Finding the pre-1999 newsletters was no easy task, but I was able to track many of them down at the libraries of the University of Kansas and the Wisconsin Historical Society. Of course, with few bylines, it is difficult to know whether any particular article was written by Paul himself. Some of the earlier newsletters are signed by him, though the vast majority of the editions I saw contain no bylines at all. Complicating matters, many of the unbylined newsletters were written in the first person, implying that Paul was the author.
But, whoever actually wrote them, the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul's name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him--and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing--but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics.

I posted this in the DAILY PAUL ... You big EXPOSER YOU!!!

---------------
Obama dennounces Farrakahn ? Sure he does ... the questionis WHY?
In December 2007, the Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC) OBAMA'S CHURCH .. bestowed its highest social achievement award upon Louis Farrakhan, the head of the Nation of Islam.This was facilitated through the church's publication Trumpet Magazine and presented at their end of the year awards gala. The award dubbed the Lifetime Achievement "Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Trumpet" Award is named after the head pastor that married Barack and Michele Obama nee Robinson.

According to the Church's publication, "the decision was made to honor socially conscious giants who commit their life's work (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1427/how_to_love_work.html) to saving the lives of Africans on the continent and in the Diaspora."

In addition to thanking God (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1570/god.html) for the commitment of their sponsors the publisher Jeri L. Wright, the pastor's daughter, also concludes by writing (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1424/writing_freelancing_landing_jobs_honing.html) "we thank God (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1570/god.html) for the commitment our honorees have made with their lives"

Among the church's other honorees, including congresswoman Maxine Waters, Louis Farrakhan earned top accolades with landing on the cover of the church's publication. The featured article about Farrakhan includes this observation attributed to the Reverend Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Jr.

"When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1482/america.html) listens," says
the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, likening the Minister's influence to
the E. F. Hutton commercials of old.

[PetreTG]

I think Obama should dennounce that church that Honors Racists with their HIGHEST Award ... I'm sure he'll do just that THIS SUNDAY when he attends services ... :lol:

[atomicdOGg34]

From his website:

Restore Fiscal Discipline to Washington

Reinstate PAYGO Rules: Obama believes that a critical step in restoring fiscal discipline is enforcing pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) budgeting rules which require new spending commitments or tax changes to be paid for by cuts to other programs or new revenue.
Reverse Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy: Obama will protect tax cuts for poor and middle class families, but he will reverse most of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers.
Cut Pork Barrel Spending: Obama introduced and passed bipartisan legislation that would require more disclosure and transparency for special-interest earmarks. Obama believes that spending that cannot withstand public scrutiny cannot be justified. Obama will slash earmarks to no greater than year 2001 levels and ensure all spending decisions are open to the public.
Make Government Spending More Accountable and Efficient: Obama will ensure that federal contracts over $25,000 are competitively bid. Obama will also increase the efficiency of government programs through better use of technology, stronger management that demands accountability and by leveraging the government's high-volume purchasing power to get lower prices.
End Wasteful Government Spending: Obama will stop funding wasteful, obsolete federal government programs that make no financial sense. Obama has called for an end to subsidies for oil and gas companies that are enjoying record profits, as well as the elimination of subsidies to the private student loan industry which has repeatedly used unethical business practices. Obama will also tackle wasteful spending in the Medicare program.Make the Tax System More Fair and Efficient

End Tax Haven Abuse: Building on his bipartisan work in the Senate, Obama will give the Treasury Department the tools it needs to stop the abuse of tax shelters and offshore tax havens and help close the $350 billion tax gap between taxes owed and taxes paid.
Close Special Interest Corporate Loopholes: Obama will level the playing field for all businesses by eliminating special-interest loopholes and deductions, such as those for the oil and gas industry.Barack Obama's Record

PAYGO: Obama voted in 2005, 2006, and 2007 to reinstate pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) federal budget rules.
No-Bid Contracts: Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.
Against Raising the Federal Debt Limit: In 2006, Obama voted against misguided Republican efforts to raise the statutory debt limit at the same time the Republicans were pushing through massive debt-financed tax cuts for the wealthy.

:lol:

i love the highlighted part where it says "paid for by cuts to other spending or new revenue"

new revenue AKA taxes

he hasnt mentioned one lick of an idea as to where hed cut spending

as for earmarks: heres obamas total: $321,766,475 :lol:

i think thats the most out of any of the candidates

his plan to make the tax system "more fair and efficient" :lol:

people dont move their money off shore because they are evil, they do it because we tax the fuck outta them

im beginning to think people are not sure how the tax system works, "more fair and efficient", what a load of shit



basically it sounds like his plan is to raise taxes, impose a global tax to the UN, and then on top of that give free shit to illegals and everyone else

brilliant

[Tam Tam]

Who is Ron Paul?

[Arben]

That's all you got ... something from 30 years ago. :lol:
I wonder why Ron Paul won't release the author's name. Maybe he has something to hide?

[PetreTG]

:lol:



as for earmarks: heres obamas total: $321,766,475 :lol:


brilliant

:lol: Damn ... you beat me to it . I was looking it up cause I remember it was big ... :laughing:

[phonetap]

I think Obama should dennounce that church that Honors Racists with their HIGHEST Award ... I'm sure he'll do just that THIS SUNDAY when he attends services ... :lol:

fuck you care...you support a candidate with a racist past. weren't you the idiot who said all candidates have racist that support them the other day.

[PetreTG]

I wonder why Ron Paul won't release the author's name. Maybe he has something to hide?

Or maybe it's unimportant , or maybe it was 30 fucking years ago and he DOESN'T KNOW WHO IT WAS cause he was busy delivering BLACK BABIES for free.

:kick:

[atomicdOGg34]

fuck you care...you support a candidate with a racist past. weren't you the idiot who said all candidates have racist that support them the other day.

a racist past??

:laughing: :laughing:

jesus christ you make it sound like he was lynching people and wearing a white sheet

[PetreTG]

fuck you care...you support a candidate with a racist past. weren't you the idiot who said all candidates have racist that support them the other day.

OBAMA HONORS THEM .... :nono:

And you have presented ABSOLUTELY no proof Paul has a racist past.

[atomicdOGg34]

Or maybe it's unimportant , or maybe it was 30 fucking years ago and he DOESN'T KNOW WHO IT WAS cause he was busy delivering BLACK BABIES for free.

:kick:


:laughing:

[slystaff]

So what if Black people like Farrakhan?

I'm a fan of farrakhan. I don't agree with everything he says, naturally, but he's not all bad, he's good ways outweigh his bad ways and overall he's done alot of good for the self esteme of alot of blacks.


He's well spoken, articulate and looks out of the best interests of black people...who up until relatively recently had been severely downtrodden in the US.

Whites dislike Farrakhan NOT because of any "anti-semitic" comments, NOT because of his "pro black" comments...but because of the POWER he has in uplifting the spirit of black people, in commanding an audience...and because he's highly intelligent and impressive.

he's a THREAT, plain and simple.

So what if a black church likes Farrakhan. Louis F has done alot of good. He's been unwise in a few things that he's said...and people can denounce some of those things...but the man's heart is in the right place and nobody is perfect.

I for one...will go on record and say that I'm a fan of the man, although I'm personally NOT anti-semitic, and fuck everyone who doesn't like it!

[PetreTG]

a racist past??

:laughing: :laughing:

jesus christ you make it sound like he was lynching people and wearing a white sheet

The argument is as weak as the reason they support him that they also cannot explain. :lol:

[PetreTG]

So what if Black people like Farrakhan?

I'm a fan of farrakhan. I don't agree with everything he says, naturally, but he's not all bad, he's good ways outweigh his bad ways and overall he's done alot of good for the self esteme of alot of blacks.


He's well spoken, articulate and looks out of the best interests of black people...who up until relatively recently had been severely downtrodden in the US.

Whites dislike Farrakhan NOT because of any "anti-semitic" comments, NOT because of his "pro black" comments...but because of the POWER he has in uplifting the spirit of black people, in commanding an audience...and because he's highly intelligent and impressive.

he's a THREAT, plain and simple.

So what if a black church likes Farrakhan. Louis F has done alot of good. He's been unwise in a few things that he's said...and people can denounce some of those things...but the man's heart is in the right place and nobody is perfect.

I for one...will go on record and say that I'm a fan of the man, although I'm personally NOT anti-semitic, and fuck everyone who doesn't like it!

GOD DAMN SLY ... You'll say anything to support Obama .

Are you sure it wasn't you in the limo with him smoking his pole while he was smoking crack ? :lol:

[PetreTG]

This thread belongs in smack talk ... :lol:

I better go hit the hot tub and cool off :clap:

[Arben]

This thread belongs in smack talk ... :lol:

I better go hit the hot tub and cool off :clap:
:lol:

[Arben]

Or maybe it's unimportant , or maybe it was 30 fucking years ago and he DOESN'T KNOW WHO IT WAS cause he was busy delivering BLACK BABIES for free.

:kick:
Maybe it's unimportant that Obama attends a Church that tries to help progress his community. Maybe it's unimportant that they honor a 'bad' person while Obama publicly denounces him.

[atomicdOGg34]

So what if Black people like Farrakhan?

I'm a fan of farrakhan. I don't agree with everything he says, naturally, but he's not all bad, he's good ways outweigh his bad ways and overall he's done alot of good for the self esteme of alot of blacks.


He's well spoken, articulate and looks out of the best interests of black people...who up until relatively recently had been severely downtrodden in the US.

Whites dislike Farrakhan NOT because of any "anti-semitic" comments, NOT because of his "pro black" comments...but because of the POWER he has in uplifting the spirit of black people, in commanding an audience...and because he's highly intelligent and impressive.

he's a THREAT, plain and simple.

So what if a black church likes Farrakhan. Louis F has done alot of good. He's been unwise in a few things that he's said...and people can denounce some of those things...but the man's heart is in the right place and nobody is perfect.

I for one...will go on record and say that I'm a fan of the man, although I'm personally NOT anti-semitic, and fuck everyone who doesn't like it!

your right

we dont like farrakhan because hes an anti-semite racist pile of shit

we hate him because hes "powerful"

i wouldnt even call him that, hes more of a running joke than anything

i suppose since you like him youll be beamed back up to the mothership with him

[TFK]

I support Obama because he is the only one that has crossover appeal and could unify the nation. It is something I feel is most important in this nation, and no other candidate has shown that capability.


More buzzwords. Still no tangible reasons.


Next.


TFK

[slystaff]

GOD DAMN SLY ... You'll say anything to support Obama .

Are you sure it wasn't you in the limo with him smoking his pole while he was smoking crack ? :lol:Obama has DENOUNCED (and rejected) Farrakhan so what the hell are you on about.

It wasn't fair of teh white moderator of teh debate (and Clinton) to force him to do that...but he did. Plus he had said prior to that that he distanced himself from some of Farrakhan's more inflamatory comments and kept his distance from the man himself.

What the fuck more do you want from him?

You want him to leave the church and denounce his pastor just because the same pastor decided to commend farrakhan for teh work he's done with young blacks and black self esteem over teh years?

It's not like Farrakhan had a scandal like Watergate, Lewinskygate, or something like some of the White Leaders that many people still praise.

[atomicdOGg34]

Maybe it's unimportant that Obama attends a Church that tries to help progress his community. Maybe it's unimportant that they honor a 'bad' person while Obama publicly denounces him.

why are we even arguing this

who gives a fuck

some guy wrote some shit in pauls name like 20 fucken years ago, id have thought itd be nipped in the bud by now, guess not

the FACT is, paul is not a racist his actions clearly say that

isnt is odd that the obama supporters here like to refer back to some WORDS, and not his actions

that seems to be the running theme here

[atomicdOGg34]

btw that was obamas total SOLO earmarks

when he was working with another senator the earmarks are: $399,766,475



:lol: :lol:

govt accountability and less spending my ass

[toomuchsol]

More buzzwords. Still no tangible reasons.


Next.


TFK

Why do you even want to know? You're obviously not voting for him. All of you guys are looking for someone to say something that you can shoot down.

You want to know about his stance on a certain issue read his website.

It's all laid out for you:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

I'm leaning towards voting for Obama, but it doesn't mean that I agree with everything he's ever done.

You want to bring up something more specific(as in policies) we can discuss it. But if your looking for some broad sweeping statement as to why I would want to vote for Obama, that's when you bring in the buzzwords.

[TFK]

I dunno .... 30 years ago I was Playing Led Zepplin on my guitar. :rolleyes:

And today you're playing Joan Jett on Guitar Hero....



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TFK

[atomicdOGg34]

Why do you even want to know? You're obviously not voting for him. All of you guys are looking for someone to say something that you can shoot down.

You want to know about his stance on a certain issue read his website.

It's all laid out for you:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

I'm leaning towards voting for Obama, but it doesn't mean that I agree with everything he's ever done.

You want to bring up something more specific(as in policies) we can discuss it. But if your looking for some broad sweeping statement as to why I would want to vote for Obama, that's when you bring in the buzzwords.

youd vote for him because of buzzwords? thats an issue

infact thats the main issue

they dont know any of obamas policies, and they cant even intelligently defend them

if you want to debate, id love to, over policies

btw: for everyone, obama is a constitutional lawyer, or he studied constitutional law, doesnt this seem weird given his policies?

[TFK]

So what if Black people like Farrakhan?

I'm a fan of farrakhan. I don't agree with everything he says, naturally, but he's not all bad, he's good ways outweigh his bad ways and overall he's done alot of good for the self esteme of alot of blacks.


He's well spoken, articulate and looks out of the best interests of black people...who up until relatively recently had been severely downtrodden in the US.

Whites dislike Farrakhan NOT because of any "anti-semitic" comments, NOT because of his "pro black" comments...but because of the POWER he has in uplifting the spirit of black people, in commanding an audience...and because he's highly intelligent and impressive.

he's a THREAT, plain and simple.

So what if a black church likes Farrakhan. Louis F has done alot of good. He's been unwise in a few things that he's said...and people can denounce some of those things...but the man's heart is in the right place and nobody is perfect.

I for one...will go on record and say that I'm a fan of the man, although I'm personally NOT anti-semitic, and fuck everyone who doesn't like it!


Wow, you really have no clue, do you?


TFK

[TFK]

Why do you even want to know? You're obviously not voting for him. All of you guys are looking for someone to say something that you can shoot down.

You want to know about his stance on a certain issue read his website.

It's all laid out for you:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

I'm leaning towards voting for Obama, but it doesn't mean that I agree with everything he's ever done.

You want to bring up something more specific(as in policies) we can discuss it. But if your looking for some broad sweeping statement as to why I would want to vote for Obama, that's when you bring in the buzzwords.


I just want to know why people would vote for Obama. It's that simple. But nobody has given me a legitimate reason yet. Mostly, I get ignored. If I'm lucky, I get buzzwords.

Why is it so hard to get an answer to what seems to be a very simple question?

I was asked what I don't like about Obama, and I answered it. There was a thread asking why people don't like McCain, and I gave my reasons. There hasn't been a thread about why people don't like Clinton (I guess because it's obvious), but if there were, I'd give my reasons.

Some people here support Obama. I want to know why. And spouting off buzzwords like 'Change' and 'Inspiration' don't mean shit, and they don't answer the question.

TFK

[toomuchsol]

youd vote for him because of buzzwords? thats an issue

infact thats the main issue

they dont know any of obamas policies, and they cant even intelligently defend them

if you want to debate, id love to, over policies

btw: for everyone, obama is a constitutional lawyer, or he studied constitutional law, doesnt this seem weird given his policies?

:lol: That's not what I'm saying at all.

[Tam Tam]

Wow, you really have no clue, do you?


TFK
More buzzwords.

[atomicdOGg34]

:lol: That's not what I'm saying at all.

so you cant tell me why youd vote for him outside of buzzwords?

ask anyone else that question and they can atleast give you some concrete answer

"ad34 why are you voting for ron paul?"

"well because paul wants a limited constitutional government and allow the people the economic and social freedoms that used to be their birthright. he wants to establish sound currency as well as lower taxes and lower regulations. he wants to free up the markets. if you take a look at his record, his votes and his legislation youll see what i mean"

and then i could describe how his policies would work

on the other hand youll get this though

"so-and-so, why do you support obama?"

"CHANGE!"





not quite the same

[phonetap]

OBAMA HONORS THEM .... :nono:

And you have presented ABSOLUTELY no proof Paul has a racist past.

obama honors them??? on one hand you want to attach obama with racist and on another you want to completely ignore ron pauls attachment to racist articles. if obama had a newsletter out with racist diatribes you'd bring it up left and right. bottom line petre...when it comes to politics you are about as brain dead as one of those zombies in 'night of the living dead'.

[phonetap]

so you cant tell me why youd vote for him without using words outside of my vocabulary?

ask anyone else that question and they can atleast give you some concrete answer

"ad34 why are you voting for ron paul?"

"well because paul wants a limited constitutional government and allow the people the economic and social freedoms that used to be their birthright. he wants to establish sound currency as well as lower taxes and lower regulations. he wants to free up the markets. if you take a look at his record, his votes and his legislation youll see what i mean"

and then i could describe how his policies would work

on the other hand youll get this though

"so-and-so, why do you support obama?"

"CHANGE!"





not quite the same

finally the truth. :doh:

[atomicdOGg34]

finally the truth. :doh:

never an answer

as usual

im sorry if i want more than, "i support him because of change" :rolleyes:

[atomicdOGg34]

btw: so much for your "ron paul isnt a man of action" thing

almost 400 things sponsored or cosponsored just this session :lol:

and just as many last

[Arben]

I already gave my reason for supporting him.

[atomicdOGg34]

I already gave my reason for supporting him.

i must have missed it, with all the shit thats being thrown back and forth in this thread :lol:

please explain again, copy and paste or just refer me to the page #

[slystaff]

Legendary thread by the way. :cool:

[Arben]

i must have missed it, with all the shit thats being thrown back and forth in this thread :lol:

please explain again, copy and paste or just refer me to the page #
Like I said multiple times in this thread, he's the only one that's shown the capability to unite Americans. I feel we need that more than anything right now.

[atomicdOGg34]

Like I said multiple times in this thread, he's the only one that's shown the capability to unite Americans. I feel we need that more than anything right now.

ok well heres the real question

why do you think he can do that? there has to be a reason for it

[phonetap]

btw: so much for your "ron paul isnt a man of action" thing

almost 400 things sponsored or cosponsored just this session :lol:

and just as many last

didn't ask about sponsored you idiot...can you fucking READ??? ron paul sponsors legislation left & right but nothing gets passed and signed into law...:laughing:

[phonetap]

ok well heres the real question

why do you think he can do that? there has to be a reason for it

it's laughable that you ask a "can do" question but you certainly aren't smart enough to understand what phonetap means...after all he's repeated himself a million times today without a legitimate answer.

[atomicdOGg34]

didn't ask about sponsored you idiot...can you fucking READ??? ron paul sponsors legislation left & right but nothing gets passed and signed into law...:laughing:

ok so you had to qualify it, i see

i guess sponsoring and cosponsoring 400 bills in a session isnt "action"

as far as i know from www.govtrack.com (http://www.govtrack.com), paul has had zero pass

obama on the other hand has the astounding total of ONE thing passed

if you actually look at the things they sponsor and cosponsor however, youll see that not only are pauls more meaningful but also things that would be MUCH harder to pass

its hard to pass a bill that wants to take power away from the people who are voting on it

[phonetap]

ok so you had to qualify it, i see

i guess sponsoring and cosponsoring 400 bills in a session isnt "action"

as far as i know from www.govtrack.com (http://www.govtrack.com), paul has had zero pass

obama on the other hand has the astounding total of ONE thing passed

if you actually look at the things they sponsor and cosponsor however, youll see that not only are pauls more meaningful but also things that would be MUCH harder to pass

its hard to pass a bill that wants to take power away from the people who are voting on it

thank you. :clap: