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TFK
03-17-2008, 04:40 PM
One of the buzzwords that was thrown around a lot about Obama was how he was gonna 'Unite' America!

How is he gonna do that as a member of a....as Phonetap puts it....'Racially Divisive' church who's preacher preaches anti-American sentiment?


TFK

slystaff
03-17-2008, 04:42 PM
By the way TFK...you do have a point in regards to the fact that the media would attack any politician regardless of skin colour.

But I do think it very unfair to hold on to this Jeremiah Wright business and denigrate Obama as a result.

slystaff
03-17-2008, 04:42 PM
One of the buzzwords that was thrown around a lot about Obama was how he was gonna 'Unite' America!

How is he gonna do that as a member of a....as Phonetap puts it....'Racially Divisive' church who's preacher preaches anti-American sentiment?


TFKI agree with you to a point and then you come back with this shit! :doh:

here we go again...

TFK
03-17-2008, 04:51 PM
By the way TFK...you do have a point in regards to the fact that the media would attack any politician regardless of skin colour.

But I do think it very unfair to hold on to this Jeremiah Wright business and denigrate Obama as a result.

Sly, why shouldn't Obama be held accountable for his association with Wright and his Church?

He's been with the church, what, 17 years? Was he unaware of his pastor's opinions? Was he unaware of the racial divisiness of his church? Was he unaware of the close connection between his pastor and Farrakhan?

He either knew about all of this, and accepted it and chose to make himself part of this church, and to stay for 17 years, which in that case, he's not the type of person who can 'unite' this country and he damn sure shouldn't be president.

Or he was either ignorant to all of this, and if that's the case, clearly is not capable of running this country if he doesn't even know the score at his own church.

So which is it, Sly?

TFK

atomicdOGg34
03-17-2008, 04:59 PM
Sly, why shouldn't Obama be held accountable for his association with Wright and his Church?

He's been with the church, what, 17 years? Was he unaware of his pastor's opinions? Was he unaware of the racial divisiness of his church? Was he unaware of the close connection between his pastor and Farrakhan?

He either knew about all of this, and accepted it and chose to make himself part of this church, and to stay for 17 years, which in that case, he's not the type of person who can 'unite' this country and he damn sure shouldn't be president.

Or he was either ignorant to all of this, and if that's the case, clearly is not capable of running this country if he doesn't even know the score at his own church.

So which is it, Sly?

TFK

it was 20 years

his pastor also traveled with farrakhan to meet with quadaffi

atomicdOGg34
03-17-2008, 04:59 PM
Obama's Church

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Election 2008: Since we first drew attention to Barack Obama's Afrocentric church a full 12 months ago, other media have weighed in. And additional disturbing information has come to light.
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At the core of the Democratic front-runner's faith — whether lapsed Muslim, new Christian or some mixture of the two — is African nativism, which raises political issues of its own.
<IBDIMAGE1 />In 1991, when Obama joined the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, he pledged allegiance to something called the Black Value System, which is a code of non-Biblical ethics written by blacks, for blacks.
It encourages blacks to group together and separate from the larger American society by pooling their money, patronizing black-only businesses and backing black leaders. Such racial separatism is strangely at odds with the media's portrayal of Obama as a uniter who reaches across races.
The code also warns blacks to avoid the white "entrapment of black middle-classness," suggesting that settling for that kind of "competitive" success will rob blacks of their African identity and keep them "captive" to white culture.
In short, Obama's "unashamedly black" church preaches the politics of black nationalism. And its dashiki-wearing preacher — who married Obama and his wife and now acts as his personal spiritual adviser — is militantly Afrocentric. "We are an African people," the Rev. Jeremiah Wright reminds his flock, "and remain true to our native land, the mother continent."
Wright once traveled to Libya with black supremacist Louis Farrakhan to meet with terrorist leader Muammar Qaddafi. Last year at a Chicago gala, Wright honored his old pal Farrakhan, who's fond of calling whites "blue-eyed devils," for lifetime achievement.
It comes as little surprise then that Wright would think Israel a "racist" occupier of Palestinians, while describing the 9/11 attacks as a "wake-up call" to "white America" for ignoring the concerns of "people of color."
Wright makes the Rev. Jesse Jackson look almost moderate and patriotic. Yet this is whom Obama picked to baptize his daughters, plus to act as his "sounding board" during his presidential run.
The candidate already has heeded his church's "nonnegotiable commitment to Africa," spending an inordinate amount of his campaign time on the Kenyan crisis, for one. Obama has close family ties to Kenya, and even founded a school in his ancestral village — the Senator Obama School.
In the bloody conflict there, which already has claimed some 700 lives, Obama appears to have sided with opposition leader Raila Odinga, head of the same Luo tribe to which Obama's late Muslim father belonged.
Obama's older brother still lives there. Abongo "Roy" Obama is a Luo activist and a militant Muslim who argues that the black man must "liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture." He urges his younger brother to embrace his African heritage.
Beyond family politics, these ties have potential foreign policy, even national security, implications.
Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country. He has also vowed to ban booze and pork and impose Muslim dress codes on women — moves favored by Obama's brother.
With al-Qaida strengthening its beachheads in Africa — from Algeria to Sudan to Somalia — the last thing the West needs is for pro-Western Kenya to fall into the hands of Islamic extremists.
Yet Obama interrupted his New Hampshire campaigning to speak by phone with Odinga, who claims to be his cousin. He did not speak with Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki.
Would Obama put African tribal or family interests ahead of U.S. interests?
It's a valid question, and one voters deserve to have debated regardless of the racial and religious sensitivities. Thanks to a media blackout of these issues, the electorate has yet to benefit from a thorough vetting of Obama.
We have to wonder how much of the national agenda Africa would consume under an Obama administration. Of the six "world threats" Obama lists in stump speeches, at least half of them concern that chronically troubled Third World continent.
Yes, some of his African priorities are noble, such as fighting AIDS and genocide. But how much U.S. aid, resources and presidential time would he devote to them? How much is enough? If Bill Clinton was America's "first black president," would Barack Hussein Obama be our first president for Africa?
Then there is the issue of his Muslim past. Obama, 47, was raised by two Muslim fathers and attended Islamic classes in Indonesia.
He denies being Muslim, however, and says he "embraced Christ" while answering the altar call 20 years ago at Trinity. (Contrary to anonymous e-mail rumors circulating, Obama never took the oath of office on the Quran. He used a Bible, and Vice President Dick Cheney swore him in during his Senate ceremony.)
This merely raises another concern, beyond that of the controversial church he chose to baptize him. If Obama were ever Muslim, even as a youth, he would now be viewed as an apostate, which in radical Islam is punishable by death. As Mideast expert Daniel Pipes has noted, a President Obama could be the target of a fatwah.
Still, his Muslim heritage is not the signal issue before the electorate. It's his Afrocentric church, which preaches black socialism and black nativism, and his family ties to an African tribe that's fanning the flames of Marxism and militant Islam in a country once considered strongly democratic and a friend of the U.S.
"I believe in the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change," Obama has asserted. He also says his faith has led him to question "the idolatry of the free market."
If a President Obama's foreign and domestic policies are anything like the Afrocentric doctrine he's pledged to uphold, Americans will pay a hefty price, including those among the growing black middle class.

Octopus
03-17-2008, 05:01 PM
Sadly....I think most of the American public is going to have this view going forward after juxtaposing the two.

It doesn't matter that Obama in his book has been saying how much he loves his country, it doesn't matter that Obama has denounced the anti-semitism and person of Farrakhan...it doesn't matter that Obama has ejected Wright from his campaign and rejected his anti-american, anti-white comments....

What matters is that a black man has the audacity to run for President and that he knows someone who made these remarks.

All of us are close to people that say things we don't agree with. ALL OF US. Sometimes they are even our parents or siblings...we still love them but we profoundly disagree.

The truth is there is not ONE black person in the country (including people like Powell and Condoliza Rice) who isn't close to someone who still harbors bitter feelings about the way blacks have been treated in the US ove rteh centruries and up to recently AND by the US establishment.


It's blacks that have been on the receiving end of US injustice...not whites, and that's why Whites don't understand why some blacks can harbor these negative views.

Anyway..Obama has said that he acknowledges that alot of people feel this way but he's trying to show that he is of a new generation that wants to end the differences.

Sadly..the inherent racism of white america will not give him that chance...

:lol::lol:

PetreTG
03-17-2008, 05:02 PM
So?

1. Was Clinton's denouncing of geraldine Feraro's comments or her husband's, genuine? Politicians have historically "pandered" when necessary.

2. How can you expect Obama to happily reject and denounce his former Pastor. If he did that...he would be a complete hypocrite. The man is his friend. He has to proceed very carefully indeed. He has to remove the fears of teh electorate but he mustn't stomp all over this man.

Clinton is a shedevil manhating dyke bitch ... so what's your point ?

mexican wedding shirt
03-17-2008, 05:23 PM
TFK has a point but I don't recall inviting you into this discussion. Leave us big boys to discuss this matter.

Fuck you, you bucktooth cunt.

slystaff
03-17-2008, 05:38 PM
Sly, why shouldn't Obama be held accountable for his association with Wright and his Church?

He's been with the church, what, 17 years? Was he unaware of his pastor's opinions? Was he unaware of the racial divisiness of his church? Was he unaware of the close connection between his pastor and Farrakhan?

He either knew about all of this, and accepted it and chose to make himself part of this church, and to stay for 17 years, which in that case, he's not the type of person who can 'unite' this country and he damn sure shouldn't be president.

Or he was either ignorant to all of this, and if that's the case, clearly is not capable of running this country if he doesn't even know the score at his own church.

So which is it, Sly?

TFKDude, I can answer that question very easily, but I think I'll be wasting my time as you've already decided that Obama is a racist because he was the member of a church who's pastor mentioned black issues and the evil that america has done.

You're an intelligent guy but I just can't discuss such things with a white guy that revels in his own ignorance...

atomicdOGg34
03-17-2008, 05:43 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23677457/

thank god obama isnt president right now

hed give them 400 billion

shit hes trying to do that anyways, GPA bitches

FourHooks
03-17-2008, 05:44 PM
Damn....Of the candidates still alive, I put my support behind Obama, BUT i gotta admit, after actually listening to the remarks, I do find it a BIT disturbing....and for Barack not to come out and call this guy a fucking douche is beyond me...I would definitely RATHER Barack be muslim....

that being said, he's still the less of three evils and shows most potential to make at least one right decision in my opinion.....Mostly because most overly religious people are crazy fucking nutballs anyway, so we shouldnt really go all ape over what some moron pastor said

atomicdOGg34
03-17-2008, 05:47 PM
Damn....Of the candidates still alive, I put my support behind Obama, BUT i gotta admit, after actually listening to the remarks, I do find it a BIT disturbing....and for Barack not to come out and call this guy a fucking douche is beyond me...I would definitely RATHER Barack be muslim....

that being said, he's still the less of three evils and shows most potential to make at least one right decision in my opinion.....Mostly because most overly religious people are crazy fucking nutballs anyway, so we shouldnt really go all ape over what some moron pastor said

ill wager hell make more BAD choices than good ones

atomicdOGg34
03-17-2008, 05:48 PM
obama advice of the day:

we need to get away from the "idolatry of the free market"
























:laughing: what a fucken moron this guy is

atomicdOGg34
03-17-2008, 05:50 PM
want a platform to run on, how bout this:

http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml#sop

FourHooks
03-17-2008, 05:54 PM
ill wager hell make more BAD choices than good onesand I'll wager thats no different than McCain or Hillary

Fuck Hillary for sure....McCain I could live with....Hillary, I'm heading for the hills

atomicdOGg34
03-17-2008, 05:55 PM
and I'll wager thats no different than McCain or Hillary

Fuck Hillary for sure....McCain I could live with....Hillary, I'm heading for the hills

:lol:

dude hillary and obama have almost EXACTLY the same policies

thats what i dont get, same policies yet youd rather have mccain whose diametrically opposed

odd

TFK
03-17-2008, 05:59 PM
Dude, I can answer that question very easily, but I think I'll be wasting my time as you've already decided that Obama is a racist because he was the member of a church who's pastor mentioned black issues and the evil that america has done.

You're an intelligent guy but I just can't discuss such things with a white guy that revels in his own ignorance...

Sly, that's a copout and you know it. You're running from a question you can't answer.

And what exactly am I ignorant of? I've made a lot of points in this thread, and nobody has been able to dispute them. Ignore them? Yes. But dispute them? Not even close.



TFK

Godfather
03-17-2008, 08:40 PM
I heard Obama's paster is out of the country right now. :lol: What a coincidence. Obama shipped his ass off for few weaks to get away from this shit.

slystaff
03-17-2008, 09:28 PM
Sly, that's a copout and you know it. You're running from a question you can't answer.

And what exactly am I ignorant of? I've made a lot of points in this thread, and nobody has been able to dispute them. Ignore them? Yes. But dispute them? Not even close.



TFKOk..I'll bite!

DUDE.....you probably don't know much about being teh member of a church, especially a black church. It's like being part of a big family. You know all of the members, go to all of the events, weddings, baby showers, dedications etc. Your kids join the sunday school and make friends and blah blah blah. It's so much more than just sitting down and listening to a sermon.

Now in that situation you may not always agree with everything the pastor says...but he doesn't say disagreeable things all the time and most of the time he says uplifting things....and it's the good things you hold onto and you discard the rest.

The point is you don't just leave such a big family...just because there are certain things you disagree with from time to time.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand this. It's not part of your experience and so you'll never be able to relate to it..which is why I was hesitant to waste my time to communicate it.

TFK
03-17-2008, 09:51 PM
Ok..I'll bite!

DUDE.....you probably don't know much about being teh member of a church, especially a black church. It's like being part of a big family. You know all of the members, go to all of the events, weddings, baby showers, dedications etc. Your kids join the sunday school and make friends and blah blah blah. It's so much more than just sitting down and listening to a sermon.

Now in that situation you may not always agree with everything the pastor says...but he doesn't say disagreeable things all the time and most of the time he says uplifting things....and it's the good things you hold onto and you discard the rest.

The point is you don't just leave such a big family...just because there are certain things you disagree with from time to time.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand this. It's not part of your experience and so you'll never be able to relate to it..which is why I was hesitant to waste my time to communicate it.


You're making it sound like Obama is a Yankee fan and his Pastor is a Mets fan, and they disagree about baseball, or Obama likes Sausage Pizza, and his Pastor likes Pepperoni.

These are not minor little things, or afterthoughts that are just minor details. This is a racially divisive way of thinking that his Pastor is preaching to his followers. Those were his sermons. Those are the ideas and beliefs that he was pushing on his followers.

I'm sorry Sly, but if I were a member of a church, and the pastor was preaching racist, anti-american garbage similiar to what Wright was preaching...which by the way had absolutley nothing to do with religion in any way, shape or form, I don't care how close or like 'family' this church is, I would leave, find a new church, and find a new 'family'.

And I'm just an average Joe, I'm not someone who is running for the Presidency of the United States of America, and who should certainly know better. I'm not trying to sell images of 'unity' to the masses, while attending a church that preaches anything but.

Sly, your excuses are pathetic.

You can't honestly believe that what you wrote excuses Obama for his strong association with a pastor who 'preaches' anti-white and anti-american bile.

TFK

TFK
03-17-2008, 10:06 PM
And let me just add a hypothetical to this...


Now in that situation you may not always agree with everything the pastor says...but he doesn't say disagreeable things all the time and most of the time he says uplifting things....and it's the good things you hold onto and you discard the rest.

The point is you don't just leave such a big family...just because there are certain things you disagree with from time to time.

Let's just say Michael Richards (Kramer) was actively supporting John McCain. Let's say there was video of Kramer ripping blacks and ripping Americans while praising John McCain. And let's say there was a strong relationship between Richards and McCain, and McCain was in major spin mode, trying to deflect his association with Richards.

You would be in major meltdown mode, blasting McCain for his association with a 'racist' like Kramer. There would be no excuse good enough for you to excuse McCain for his friendship with Kramer.

And in spite of the years and years of entertainment Kramer gave us, you would only argue about the few minutes of his life where he lost his temper and went on a racist tirade.

Now, for as bad as Kramer's tirade is, it's nothing in comparison to Wright, who disguises himself as a man of God in order to spew his anti-white, anti-american agenda, and who is a strong associate of Obama.

Obama's church may be all peace and love most of the time, but it also has to account for the times it's message is hateful and ignorant.

TFK

ILLUMINATI
03-17-2008, 11:19 PM
that priest killed anyyy chance Obama had of winning the presidency.....

and whats worst..many of the things he said are true......except for the aids virus to kill black...and a few others....usa policies have probably kill more people that any other government in history....

slystaff
03-17-2008, 11:39 PM
that priest killed anyyy chance Obama had of winning the presidency.....

and whats worst..many of the things he said are true......except for the aids virus to kill black...and a few others....usa policies have probably kill more people that any other government in history....Sadly....that's the truth. :doh:

Rock on
03-18-2008, 06:24 AM
that priest killed anyyy chance Obama had of winning the presidency.....

and whats worst..many of the things he said are true......except for the aids virus to kill black...and a few others....usa policies have probably kill more people that any other government in history....

I disagree. This is a non-issue which the right wing press FOX News has laboured for a week to make it gain currency. It did gain some currency eventually but not an earthquake it wished and it has been complaining daily about the fact that most papers gave it little coverage. And it struggled to gain real currency simply because Rev Wright was very correct in 95 % of his criticism. The main press do not wanna open a pandora box where all the issues raised by Wright would be scrutinised and thereby embarassing Americans.

Apart from the AIDS comment and prolly one or 2 others, Wright has been on the money.

In a few days this hullabaloo will go back to being the main pre-occupation of the conservative nutters to feast on and the mainstream folk woulda moved on. Most people are not as naive as one might think.

In another week this hoopla would be old news and more important and relevant things would be on the agenda.

TFK
03-18-2008, 08:00 AM
that priest killed anyyy chance Obama had of winning the presidency.....




It's a shame it took something like this, and not Obama's supporting of the Global Poverty Act, hopes for National Health Care, getting caught lying about NAFTA, empty claims of getting us out of Iraq, his likelyhood of raising taxes and his many other negative aspects, to get America to open their eyes.

Whatever it takes, I guess.

TFK

slystaff
03-18-2008, 09:14 AM
It's a shame it took something like this, and not Obama's supporting of the Global Poverty Act, hopes for National Health Care, getting caught lying about NAFTA, empty claims of getting us out of Iraq, his likelyhood of raising taxes and his many other negative aspects, to get America to open their eyes.

Whatever it takes, I guess.

TFKEnjoying this aren't ya!

phonetap
03-18-2008, 09:19 AM
that priest killed anyyy chance Obama had of winning the presidency.....

and whats worst..many of the things he said are true......except for the aids virus to kill black...and a few others....usa policies have probably kill more people that any other government in history....

nonsense...the people making the biggest deal about this are those who were never voting for obama anyhow. obama supporters (like phonetap) find it troubling but we are not about to throw the man under the bus because of it. let obama make his case and take it from there...

PetreTG
03-18-2008, 09:32 AM
Damn....Of the candidates still alive, I put my support behind Obama, BUT i gotta admit, after actually listening to the remarks, I do find it a BIT disturbing....and for Barack not to come out and call this guy a fucking douche is beyond me...I would definitely RATHER Barack be muslim....

that being said, he's still the less of three evils and shows most potential to make at least one right decision in my opinion.....Mostly because most overly religious people are crazy fucking nutballs anyway, so we shouldnt really go all ape over what some moron pastor said

Obama has a 20+ year history with that nutjob. He married his wife and baptized his kids in the nutty church.

20 years of disagreeing with and not being influence by that nuts teachings ???

YEAH RIGHT!!! :lol:

PetreTG
03-18-2008, 09:37 AM
And let me just add a hypothetical to this...



Let's just say Michael Richards (Kramer) was actively supporting John McCain. Let's say there was video of Kramer ripping blacks and ripping Americans while praising John McCain. And let's say there was a strong relationship between Richards and McCain, and McCain was in major spin mode, trying to deflect his association with Richards.

You would be in major meltdown mode, blasting McCain for his association with a 'racist' like Kramer. There would be no excuse good enough for you to excuse McCain for his friendship with Kramer.

And in spite of the years and years of entertainment Kramer gave us, you would only argue about the few minutes of his life where he lost his temper and went on a racist tirade.

Now, for as bad as Kramer's tirade is, it's nothing in comparison to Wright, who disguises himself as a man of God in order to spew his anti-white, anti-american agenda, and who is a strong associate of Obama.

Obama's church may be all peace and love most of the time, but it also has to account for the times it's message is hateful and ignorant.

TFK
Shit ... the founder of Stormfront sends Paul a $500 campaign contribution and they tried to crucify him. :lol:

Paul instead of ducking anything did what Paul does best. He told the truth.

Yeah the guy is garbage , but I'll take his money and do good with it. :bears:

THERE's CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN :rolleyes: ... A POLITICIAN THAT ALWAYS TELLS THE TRUTH AS HE SEES IT WHETHER IT'S THE POLPULAR MESSAGE OR NOT.

:bears::bears::bears:

PetreTG
03-18-2008, 10:13 AM
1200 + post and I still haven't read a credible reason to vote for him.

:lol:

PetreTG
03-18-2008, 10:55 AM
Putting the whole Obama and Wright scandal into perspective ...

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Uncle Jeremiah
Barack Obama and his cookie-cutter race huckster.

By Mark Steyn

The Reverend Jeremiah Wright thinks that, given their treatment by white America, black Americans have no reason to sing “God Bless America.” “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America,” he told his congregation. “God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human.”

I’m not a believer in guilt by association, or the campaign vaudeville of rival politicians insisting this or that candidate disassociate himself from remarks by some fellow he had a 30-second grip’n’greet with a decade ago. But Jeremiah Wright is not exactly peripheral to Barack Obama’s life. He married the Obamas and baptized their children. Those of us who made the mistake of buying the senator’s last book, The Audacity of Hope, and assumed the title was an ingeniously parodic distillation of the great sonorous banality of an entire genre of blandly uplifting political writing discovered circa page 127 that in fact the phrase comes from one of the Reverend Wright’s sermons. Jeremiah Wright has been Barack Obama’s pastor for 20 years — in other words, pretty much the senator’s entire adult life. Did Obama consider God Damn America as a title for his book but it didn’t focus-group so well?

Ah, well, no, the senator told ABC News. The Reverend Wright is like “an old uncle who says things I don’t always agree with.” So did he agree with goofy old Uncle Jeremiah on September 16th 2001? That Sunday morning, Uncle told his congregation that the United States brought the death and destruction of 9/11 on itself. “We nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,” said the Reverend Wright. “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards.”

Is that one of those “things I don’t always agree with”? Well, Senator Obama isn’t saying, responding merely that he wasn’t in church that morning. Okay, fair enough, but what would he have done had he happened to have shown up on September 16th? Cried “Shame on you!” and stormed out? Or, if that’s a little dramatic, whispered to Michelle that he didn’t want their daughters hearing this kind of drivel while rescue workers were still sifting through the rubble and risen from his pew in a dignified manner and led his family to the exit? Or would he have just sat there with an inscrutable look on his face as those around him nodded?

All Senator Obama will say is that “I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial.” And in that he may be correct. There are many preachers who would be happy to tell their congregations “God damn America.” But Barack Obama is not supposed to be the candidate of the America-damners: He’s not the Reverend Al Sharpton or the Reverend Jesse Jackson or the rest of the racial-grievance mongers. Obama is meant to be the man who transcends the divisions of race, the candidate who doesn’t damn America but “heals” it — if you believe, as many Democrats do, that America needs healing.

Yet since his early twenties he’s sat week after week listening to the ravings of just another cookie-cutter race huckster.

What is Barack Obama for? It’s not his “policies,” such as they are. Rather, Senator Obama embodies an idea: He’s a symbol of redemption and renewal, and a lot of other airy-fairy abstractions that don’t boil down to much except making upscale white liberals feel good about themselves and get even more of a frisson out of white liberal guilt than they usually do. I assume that’s what Geraldine Ferraro was getting at when she said Obama wouldn’t be where he was today (i.e., leading the race for the Democratic nomination) if he was white. For her infelicity, the first woman on a presidential ticket got bounced from the Clinton campaign and denounced by MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann for her “insidious racism” indistinguishable from “the vocabulary of David Duke.”

Oh, for cryin’ out loud. Enjoyable as it is to watch previously expert wielders of identity-politics hand-grenades blow their own fingers off, if Geraldine Ferraro’s an “insidious racist,” who isn’t?



The song the Reverend Wright won’t sing is by Irving Berlin, a contemporary of Cole Porter, Ira Gershwin and Lorenz Hart, all the sophisticated rhymesters. But only Berlin could have written without embarrassment “God Bless America.” He said it directly, unaffectedly, unashamedly — in seven words:

God Bless America
Land that I love.

Berlin was a Jew and he suffered slights: He grew up in the poverty of New York’s Lower East Side. When he made his name and fortune, his marriage to a Park Avenue heiress resulted in her expulsion from the Social Register. In the Thirties, her sister moved in with a Nazi diplomat and proudly flaunted her diamond swastika to Irving. But Berlin spent his infancy in Temun, Siberia (until the Cossacks rode in and razed his village) and he understood the great gift he’d been given:

God Bless America
Land that I love.

The Reverend Wright can’t say those words. His shtick is:

God damn America
Land that I loathe.

I understand the Ellis Island experience of Russian Jews was denied to blacks. But not to Obama. His experience surely isn’t so different to Berlin’s — except that Barack got to go to Harvard. Obama’s father was a Kenyan, he spent his childhood in Indonesia, and he ought to thank his lucky stars that he’s running for office in Washington rather than Nairobi or Jakarta. Instead, his whiney wife Michelle says that her husband’s election as president would be the first reason to have “pride” in America, and complains that this country is “downright mean” and that she’s having difficulty finding money for their daughters’ piano lessons and summer camp. Between them, Mr. and Mrs. Obama earn $480,000 a year (not including book royalties from The Audacity of Hype), but they’re whining about how tough they have it to couples who earn 48 grand — or less. Yes, we can. But not on a lousy half-million bucks a year.

God has blessed America, and blessed the Obamas in America, and even blessed the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, whose bashing of his own country would be far less lucrative anywhere else on the planet. The “racist” here is not Geraldine Ferraro but the Reverend Wright, whose appeals to racial bitterness are supposed to be everything President Obama will transcend. Right now, it sounds more like the same-old same-old.

God Bless America
Land that I love.

Take it away, Michelle.

TFK
03-18-2008, 11:01 AM
1200 + post and I still haven't read a credible reason to vote for him.

:lol:


Yeah, and you can take 'unity' off of the buzzword list.

TFK

Arben
03-18-2008, 11:15 AM
This thread is such a joke.

slystaff
03-18-2008, 11:37 AM
1200 + post and I still haven't read a credible reason to vote for him.

:lol:I've given MANY...you just don't agree with them

TFK
03-18-2008, 12:26 PM
I've given MANY...you just don't agree with them

You've given buzzwords. Buzzwords don't mean anything.

TFK

slystaff
03-18-2008, 12:35 PM
You've given buzzwords. Buzzwords don't mean anything.

TFKEverything concerning Obama, whether it be his stance on specific issues (Which I have communicated in detail and you responded to) or just the personality and chrisma that he brings to the job you dismiss as "buzzwords"...which is YOUR buzzword.

So it's pointless in me discussing this topic with you.

To them that believe no explanation is necessary, to them that don't no explanation will suffice.....

TFK
03-18-2008, 12:48 PM
Everything concerning Obama, whether it be his stance on specific issues (Which I have communicated in detail and you responded to) or just the personality and chrisma that he brings to the job you dismiss as "buzzwords"...which is YOUR buzzword.

So it's pointless in me discussing this topic with you.

To them that believe no explanation is necessary, to them that don't no explanation will suffice.....

Then why don't you explain, in detail, in the next reply, why someone should vote for Obama? Tell us every reason why.

But they have to be tangible reasons. I don't want to hear buzzwords like 'inspire', 'change' or 'unite', I want real, tangible reasons. The only slightly legitimate reason you've given is his ability as a speaker. But good verbal skills only get you so far. There's gotta be more to it.

This is your chance.

TFK

PetreTG
03-18-2008, 01:41 PM
I've given MANY...you just don't agree with them
Balogne .. what you've given could be written on a postage stamp ... :lol:

Whenever Obama's actual POLICIES and IDEAS on issues is brought up , they're usually strikes against him.

Getting slapped upside the head isn't any more fun when the slapper has a smile on his face.

PetreTG
03-18-2008, 01:44 PM
Then why don't you explain, in detail, in the next reply, why someone should vote for Obama? Tell us every reason why.

But they have to be tangible reasons. I don't want to hear buzzwords like 'inspire', 'change' or 'unite', I want real, tangible reasons. The only slightly legitimate reason you've given is his ability as a speaker. But good verbal skills only get you so far. There's gotta be more to it.

This is your chance.

TFK

And let's add to those personality and chrisma ... This is not a reason for being qualified to be president.

The Presidency is not a popularity contest and we're not voting for the most likeable actor (Which is what Obama is)

Arben
03-18-2008, 02:20 PM
Then why don't you explain, in detail, in the next reply, why someone should vote for Obama? Tell us every reason why.

But they have to be tangible reasons. I don't want to hear buzzwords like 'inspire', 'change' or 'unite', I want real, tangible reasons. The only slightly legitimate reason you've given is his ability as a speaker. But good verbal skills only get you so far. There's gotta be more to it.

This is your chance.

TFK
'Unite' all of a sudden became a buzzword to you after I started using it. Meanwhile, the polls speak for themselves.

slystaff
03-18-2008, 02:50 PM
Then why don't you explain, in detail, in the next reply, why someone should vote for Obama? Tell us every reason why.

But they have to be tangible reasons. I don't want to hear buzzwords like 'inspire', 'change' or 'unite', I want real, tangible reasons. The only slightly legitimate reason you've given is his ability as a speaker. But good verbal skills only get you so far. There's gotta be more to it.

This is your chance.

TFKSince I refuse to repeat myself to someone that doesn't pay attention (or pays attention only when it's convenient to himself) I suggest that you browse through this thread and look for my detailed post and cut and paste it into a new post and that was my detailed explanation...

TFK
03-18-2008, 05:04 PM
Since I refuse to repeat myself to someone that doesn't pay attention (or pays attention only when it's convenient to himself) I suggest that you browse through this thread and look for my detailed post and cut and paste it into a new post and that was my detailed explanation...


Don't be a baby. If you feel so strongly for Obama, this should be easy for you.

So far all I've seen is a bunch of buzzwords, and a few comments about him being a good speaker. If there's more to it then that, let's see it.

TFK

atomicdOGg34
03-18-2008, 05:26 PM
cant even name one policy position he holds :lol:

Black Market Baby
03-18-2008, 05:38 PM
Can anyone tell me the ideas that Clinton, Bush, Reagan or Carter ran on and how that turned out?

"No new taxes"
"The US military will not be used for nation building"
"We'll get out of vietnam soon"
"Say no to poverty"

Presidents have said these things and not done anything about them.

Even the precious Ron Paul would have done the same thing (in fact most of his shit would have never seen the light of day).

If Obama gets into office, then start judging.

TFK
03-18-2008, 05:41 PM
Can anyone tell me the ideas that Clinton, Bush, Reagan or Carter ran on and how that turned out?

"No new taxes"
"The US military will not be used for nation building"
"We'll get out of vietnam soon"
"Say no to poverty"

Presidents have said these things and not done anything about them.

Even the precious Ron Paul would have done the same thing (in fact most of his shit would have never seen the light of day).

If Obama gets into office, then start judging.


But....Obama is all about CHANGE!!!!!!!!


TFK

atomicdOGg34
03-18-2008, 05:42 PM
Can anyone tell me the ideas that Clinton, Bush, Reagan or Carter ran on and how that turned out?

"No new taxes"
"The US military will not be used for nation building"
"We'll get out of vietnam soon"
"Say no to poverty"

Presidents have said these things and not done anything about them.

Even the precious Ron Paul would have done the same thing (in fact most of his shit would have never seen the light of day).

If Obama gets into office, then start judging.

i wasnt aware any of them were running for president

Black Market Baby
03-18-2008, 05:45 PM
i wasnt aware any of them were running for president

you obviously missed the point, or maybe you just posted in the wrong thread.

slystaff
03-18-2008, 05:50 PM
cant even name one policy position he holds :lol:I've named quite a few, and TFK responded to them, disagreeing with them. Why repeat the list. Search teh thread if you want to know you lazy bum...:tease:

atomicdOGg34
03-18-2008, 05:51 PM
you obviously missed the point, or maybe you just posted in the wrong thread.

no i get it

who cares what any of those guys said, they arent running for president

and im judging obama on what obama said hes going to do, not what any of those other guys did

TFK
03-18-2008, 05:53 PM
I've named quite a few, and TFK responded to them, disagreeing with them. Why repeat the list. Search teh thread if you want to know you lazy bum...:tease:

Why are you running Staff?

C'mon, if you feel so strongly about Obama, it should take you a fraction of the time to post you reasons for supporting Obama then it would for me to search 1300 posts to look for them.

TFK

atomicdOGg34
03-18-2008, 05:55 PM
I've named quite a few, and TFK responded to them, disagreeing with them. Why repeat the list. Search teh thread if you want to know you lazy bum...:tease:

why should i even bother, i know its just going to be bullshit

youll just argue right back into buzzwords, the GPA, its fucken BS and that we cant afford it but youll say its about hope and uplifting the poor

right back into nonsense

besides ive posted articles showing obamas spending plan to be total shit, as well ass showed that not only do the rich pay less under bush (as compared to clinton) but ALSO every other group, across the board

facts and logic always seem to be lacking with my liberal friends

Rock on
03-18-2008, 05:56 PM
Putting the whole Obama and Wright scandal into perspective ...

=========
Uncle Jeremiah
Barack Obama and his cookie-cutter race huckster.

By Mark Steyn

The Reverend Jeremiah Wright thinks that, given their treatment by white America, black Americans have no reason to sing “God Bless America.” “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America,” he told his congregation. “God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human.”

I’m not a believer in guilt by association, or the campaign vaudeville of rival politicians insisting this or that candidate disassociate himself from remarks by some fellow he had a 30-second grip’n’greet with a decade ago. But Jeremiah Wright is not exactly peripheral to Barack Obama’s life. He married the Obamas and baptized their children. Those of us who made the mistake of buying the senator’s last book, The Audacity of Hope, and assumed the title was an ingeniously parodic distillation of the great sonorous banality of an entire genre of blandly uplifting political writing discovered circa page 127 that in fact the phrase comes from one of the Reverend Wright’s sermons. Jeremiah Wright has been Barack Obama’s pastor for 20 years — in other words, pretty much the senator’s entire adult life. Did Obama consider God Damn America as a title for his book but it didn’t focus-group so well?

Ah, well, no, the senator told ABC News. The Reverend Wright is like “an old uncle who says things I don’t always agree with.” So did he agree with goofy old Uncle Jeremiah on September 16th 2001? That Sunday morning, Uncle told his congregation that the United States brought the death and destruction of 9/11 on itself. “We nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,” said the Reverend Wright. “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards.”

Is that one of those “things I don’t always agree with”? Well, Senator Obama isn’t saying, responding merely that he wasn’t in church that morning. Okay, fair enough, but what would he have done had he happened to have shown up on September 16th? Cried “Shame on you!” and stormed out? Or, if that’s a little dramatic, whispered to Michelle that he didn’t want their daughters hearing this kind of drivel while rescue workers were still sifting through the rubble and risen from his pew in a dignified manner and led his family to the exit? Or would he have just sat there with an inscrutable look on his face as those around him nodded?

All Senator Obama will say is that “I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial.” And in that he may be correct. There are many preachers who would be happy to tell their congregations “God damn America.” But Barack Obama is not supposed to be the candidate of the America-damners: He’s not the Reverend Al Sharpton or the Reverend Jesse Jackson or the rest of the racial-grievance mongers. Obama is meant to be the man who transcends the divisions of race, the candidate who doesn’t damn America but “heals” it — if you believe, as many Democrats do, that America needs healing.

Yet since his early twenties he’s sat week after week listening to the ravings of just another cookie-cutter race huckster.

What is Barack Obama for? It’s not his “policies,” such as they are. Rather, Senator Obama embodies an idea: He’s a symbol of redemption and renewal, and a lot of other airy-fairy abstractions that don’t boil down to much except making upscale white liberals feel good about themselves and get even more of a frisson out of white liberal guilt than they usually do. I assume that’s what Geraldine Ferraro was getting at when she said Obama wouldn’t be where he was today (i.e., leading the race for the Democratic nomination) if he was white. For her infelicity, the first woman on a presidential ticket got bounced from the Clinton campaign and denounced by MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann for her “insidious racism” indistinguishable from “the vocabulary of David Duke.”

Oh, for cryin’ out loud. Enjoyable as it is to watch previously expert wielders of identity-politics hand-grenades blow their own fingers off, if Geraldine Ferraro’s an “insidious racist,” who isn’t?



The song the Reverend Wright won’t sing is by Irving Berlin, a contemporary of Cole Porter, Ira Gershwin and Lorenz Hart, all the sophisticated rhymesters. But only Berlin could have written without embarrassment “God Bless America.” He said it directly, unaffectedly, unashamedly — in seven words:

God Bless America
Land that I love.

Berlin was a Jew and he suffered slights: He grew up in the poverty of New York’s Lower East Side. When he made his name and fortune, his marriage to a Park Avenue heiress resulted in her expulsion from the Social Register. In the Thirties, her sister moved in with a Nazi diplomat and proudly flaunted her diamond swastika to Irving. But Berlin spent his infancy in Temun, Siberia (until the Cossacks rode in and razed his village) and he understood the great gift he’d been given:

God Bless America
Land that I love.

The Reverend Wright can’t say those words. His shtick is:

God damn America
Land that I loathe.

I understand the Ellis Island experience of Russian Jews was denied to blacks. But not to Obama. His experience surely isn’t so different to Berlin’s — except that Barack got to go to Harvard. Obama’s father was a Kenyan, he spent his childhood in Indonesia, and he ought to thank his lucky stars that he’s running for office in Washington rather than Nairobi or Jakarta. Instead, his whiney wife Michelle says that her husband’s election as president would be the first reason to have “pride” in America, and complains that this country is “downright mean” and that she’s having difficulty finding money for their daughters’ piano lessons and summer camp. Between them, Mr. and Mrs. Obama earn $480,000 a year (not including book royalties from The Audacity of Hype), but they’re whining about how tough they have it to couples who earn 48 grand — or less. Yes, we can. But not on a lousy half-million bucks a year.

God has blessed America, and blessed the Obamas in America, and even blessed the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, whose bashing of his own country would be far less lucrative anywhere else on the planet. The “racist” here is not Geraldine Ferraro but the Reverend Wright, whose appeals to racial bitterness are supposed to be everything President Obama will transcend. Right now, it sounds more like the same-old same-old.

God Bless America
Land that I love.

Take it away, Michelle.

Er unless I am mistaking, didnt I see this article in another thread????

What is the point of spamming the board ... with bigoted trash at that.

PetreTG
03-19-2008, 09:17 AM
Can anyone tell me the ideas that Clinton, Bush, Reagan or Carter ran on and how that turned out?

"No new taxes"
"The US military will not be used for nation building"
"We'll get out of vietnam soon"
"Say no to poverty"

Presidents have said these things and not done anything about them.

Even the precious Ron Paul would have done the same thing (in fact most of his shit would have never seen the light of day).

If Obama gets into office, then start judging.

So in other words , your advice is to keep trying to stick the square peg in the round hole and pick the guy based on personality.

BTW , will never know , but I'd have bet you anything Ron Paul would have fought hard to accomplish everything he promised and told the people to "attack" congress to get things done. It's been his MO his entire career. :cool:

PetreTG
03-19-2008, 09:18 AM
why should i even bother, i know its just going to be bullshit

youll just argue right back into buzzwords, the GPA, its fucken BS and that we cant afford it but youll say its about hope and uplifting the poor

right back into nonsense

besides ive posted articles showing obamas spending plan to be total shit, as well ass showed that not only do the rich pay less under bush (as compared to clinton) but ALSO every other group, across the board

facts and logic always seem to be lacking with my liberal friends

Somewhere in nearly 1300 posts there's a paragraph on REAL REASONS to vote for Obama ...

......

....

...

..

.

:laughing:

Arben
03-19-2008, 09:37 AM
It's pointless to argue with you idiots. Because no matter what is said, you just keep saying it's a buzzword.

Meanwhile, people like Petre still play off of racism, something that's been his MO for a very long time.

PetreTG
03-19-2008, 09:40 AM
It's pointless to argue with you idiots. Because no matter what is said, you just keep saying it's a buzzword.

Meanwhile, people like Petre still play off of racism, something that's been his MO for a very long time.

Yes ... I'm a racist . :laughing:

Arben
03-19-2008, 09:46 AM
Yes ... I'm a racist . :laughing:
"Fear blacks"
"Fear Mexicans"

PetreTG
03-19-2008, 10:02 AM
"Fear blacks"
"Fear Mexicans"

Show anywhere where I've ever said any such thing.

Quotes , of any kind from me where I've said anything of the sort.


BYE BYE

:clap:

Arben
03-19-2008, 10:10 AM
Show anywhere where I've ever said any such thing.

Quotes , of any kind from me where I've said anything of the sort.


BYE BYE

:clap:
You said it, not me.

Alot of people here agree with me. I'm not going to waste my time losing more brain cells re-reading your posts.

BYE BYE

:clap:

Rock on
03-19-2008, 10:14 AM
You said it, not me.

Alot of people here agree with me. I'm not going to waste my time losing more brain cells re-reading your posts.

BYE BYE

:clap:

Of course the old fart is a bigot. Why do u have prove the obvious? :dunno:

PetreTG
03-19-2008, 10:45 AM
You said it, not me.

Alot of people here agree with me. I'm not going to waste my time losing more brain cells re-reading your posts.

BYE BYE

:clap:

I knew you couldn't post anything about it .

If you're actually stupid enough to think my position on Obama has anything to do with his race, you're dumber than I thought.

PetreTG
03-19-2008, 10:46 AM
Of course the old fart is a bigot. Why do u have prove the obvious? :dunno:

How old am I ? And show something bigoted I said.

Arben
03-19-2008, 10:57 AM
I knew you couldn't post anything about it .

If you're actually stupid enough to think my position on Obama has anything to do with his race, you're dumber than I thought.
Like I've been saying. I don't need to, nor do I want to. You continuously post about it.

I'm not saying that your position on Obama has anything to do with race, but your posts indicate that you're playing off of other people's racism.

I liken it to that Chris Rock movie where he's running for president, and on election day, the last ditch effort of the white candidate is to make the news networks announce, "For the first time in American history, a black man will be president," and they cut to a scene of thousands of white people running to the polls.

Arben
03-19-2008, 10:58 AM
How old am I ? And show something bigoted I said.
Yeah, I wouldn't go so far as to call Petre old.

His views and reactions to opposing opinions indicate that he is a child. He also believes in stupid youtube videos put together by teenagers and believes that the planes on 9/11 were holograms.

PetreTG
03-19-2008, 12:07 PM
Like I've been saying. I don't need to, nor do I want to. You continuously post about it.

I'm not saying that your position on Obama has anything to do with race, but your posts indicate that you're playing off of other people's racism.

I liken it to that Chris Rock movie where he's running for president, and on election day, the last ditch effort of the white candidate is to make the news networks announce, "For the first time in American history, a black man will be president," and they cut to a scene of thousands of white people running to the polls.

When you admit YOU CAN'T I'll have some respect for you again.

Arben
03-19-2008, 12:15 PM
When you admit YOU CAN'T I'll have some respect for you again.
I don't seek out respect from people like you.

TFK
03-19-2008, 12:22 PM
Show anywhere where I've ever said any such thing.

Quotes , of any kind from me where I've said anything of the sort.


BYE BYE

:clap:


Welcome to my world, Petre.


When they can't beat you with facts, truth and logic....all of a sudden, you become a racist.

Happens to me all the time.


TFK

PetreTG
03-19-2008, 12:23 PM
I don't seek out respect from people like you.
Can't win an argument rationally , can't stay on track in a discussion , show limited understanding of common english and chose to make a baseless accusation that often is your own confusion relating comments to me that were someone elses ... You'd have far to go to get my respect with weak arguments like yours. :clap:

PetreTG
03-19-2008, 12:24 PM
Welcome to my world, Petre.


When they can't beat you with facts, truth and logic....all of a sudden, you become a racist.

Happens to me all the time.


TFK

:lol:

Arben
03-19-2008, 12:31 PM
Can't win an argument rationally , can't stay on track in a discussion , show limited understanding of common english and chose to make a baseless accusation that often is your own confusion relating comments to me that were someone elses ... You'd have far to go to get my respect with weak arguments like yours. :clap:
"OH YEAH! Well I don't respect you!"

I always argue rationally. Notice how my threads don't turn into 30 page piss fests?

I always stay on track on a discussion. I'm not the guy who on one day says, "They won't look at a candidates policies, they look at stupid stuff that mean nothing," and then you whip out this business about his pastor. That's called being a hypocrite.

So now I can't understand english? That's a new one.

Prove me wrong, then. Nobody agrees with you.

And again, your respect means absolutely nothing to me.

PetreTG
03-28-2008, 10:32 AM
Hahahahaaa what a fraud. :lol:

Just another Reverend Bullshit running a POS crooked church :clap:

HEY DUMBSHIT PARISHNER's ... Guess where your tithings to God went ... Into Reverend Wrong's (who bitched about rich white people) $1,600,000.00 Mansion

:laughing:
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Obama’s Former Pastor Getting $1.6M Home in Retirement (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/27/obamas-former-pastor-builds-a-multimillion-dollar-retirement-home/)

<!-- No Summary --> by FOXNews.com
Thursday, March 27, 2008
http://elections.foxnews.com/files/2008/03/wright_house4.jpg
The four- bedroom, 10,000-plus square foot home that Trinity United Church of Christ is building for Reverend Jeremiah Wright. (FNC Photo)

By Jeff Goldblatt
This was supposed to be the week that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. returned to the pulpit to preach for the first time since his anti-American sermons generated nationwide outrage and drew condemnation from his longtime parishioner, Barack Obama.


But, citing security concerns, Wright canceled his speaking engagements in Florida and Texas. A spokeswoman at his former church in Chicago said his schedule is pending.


A two-week FOX News investigation, however, has uncovered where Wright will be spending a good deal of his timein retirement, and it is a far cry from the impoverished Chicago streets where the preacher led his ministry for 36 years.


FOX News has uncovered documents that indicate Wright is about to move to a 10,340-square-foot, four-bedroom home in suburban Chicago, currently under construction in a gated community.


While it is not uncommon for an accomplished clergyman to live in luxury, Wright’s retirement residence is raising some questions.


“Some people think deals like this are hypocritical. Jeremiah Wright himself criticizes people from the pulpit for middle classism, for too much materialism,” said Andrew Walsh, Associate Director of the Leonard E. Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life with Trinity College in Hartford, Conn.


“So he’s entitled to be tweaked here. So the question really is, how unusual is this? Somewhat unusual,” he said.


According to documents obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds, Wright purchased two empty lots in Tinley Park, Ill., from Chicago restaurant chain owner Kenny Lewis for $345,000 in 2004.


Documents show Wright sold the property to his church, Trinity United, in December 2006, with the proceeds going to a living trust shared with his wife, Ramah.


The sale price for the land was just under $308,000, about $40,000 less than Wright’s original purchase two years earlier.


Public records of the sale show Trinity initially obtained a $10 million bank loan to purchase the property and build a new house on the land.


But further investigation with tax and real estate attorneys showed that the church had actually secured a $1.6 million mortgage for the home purchase, and attached a $10 million line of credit, for reasons unspecified in the paperwork.


There is apparently nothing wrong with that, according to non-profit tax expert Jack Siegel of Charity Governance Consulting, who examined public documents FOX News obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds and the Village of Tinley Park.


“At least looking at it from a public document standpoint, there’s clearly not a problem that jumps out or some sort of wrongdoing,” Siegel said.


Siegel characterizes the transaction as unusual, however, because of the way Wright sold the property to Trinity and the way the deal was financed, with the attached $10 million line of credit.


Because churches are classified as private businesses, Trinity isn’t required to reveal its intended use for the line of credit. Nor, because it’s a non-profit entity, is it required to provide that information to the IRS.


A spokesman for ShoreBank, the Chicago-based financial institution that secured mortgages for the loans, said the deals were aboveboard.


Wright did not respond to repeated calls for comment, and Trinity United refused to discuss the specifics of the home it is building for him and the way the deal was financed.

PetreTG
03-28-2008, 10:35 AM
Well of course he would have .... all he needed was a few more weeks and 20 years :laughing:


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Obama Suggests He Would Have Left His Church If Wright Had Not Retired (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/27/obama-suggests-he-would-have-left-his-church-if-wright-had-not-retired/)

<!-- No Summary --> by Associated Press
Thursday, March 27, 2008


WASHINGTON — White House hopeful Barack Obama suggests he would have left his Chicago church had his longtime pastor, whose fiery anti-American comments about U.S. foreign policy and race relations threatened Obama’s campaign, not stepped down.



“Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying at the church,” Obama said Thursday during a taping of the ABC talk show, “The View.” The interview will be broadcast Friday.



In his sermons over the years, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has railed against the United States and accused it of bringing on the Sept. 11 attacks by spreading terrorism. He also has said the government invented AIDS to destroy “people of color” and has shouted “God damn America” for its treatment of minorities.



Videos of his remarks circulated on the Internet and on television.



In an attempt to quiet the controversy, Obama gave a speech last week in which he sharply condemned Wright’s remarks but did not repudiate him.

Obama said Wednesday he has spoken with Wright, who retired from Trinity United Church of Christ last month but remains as a senior pastor.



Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama’s rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, broke her silence on the matter Tuesday, saying she would have parted company with a pastor who spoke about the country the way Wright has.

PetreTG
03-28-2008, 10:39 AM
Rev. Wright Apologizes to Rich, White 'Jesus Killers'

by Scott Ott (ScottOtt@ScrappleFace.com) for ScrappleFace (http://www.scrappleface.com/) · 93 Comments (http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2923#comments)

(2008-03-21) — The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, today attempted to quell the furor (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/31079.html) over his racially-charged preaching by apologizing to “rich, white people”, whom he had blamed for killing Jesus, and noting that “if Jesus was a poor, black man, then so was his betrayer, Judas Iscariot, as well as the poor, black Jewish mob that called on the rich, white Roman governor to have Jesus crucified.”


“Like my spiritual nephew, Barack Obama, I’m all about getting past racism and division,” said the Rev. Wright at a Good Friday church service in Chicago. “I used to preach smack on the rich, white Jesus killers, but this week I realized that his followers were from the same ethnic group he was. So were his enemies in the mob at Jerusalem shouting ‘Crucify him!’”


He just now realized that huh ... :lol:

toomuchsol
03-28-2008, 11:08 AM
Who cares?:dunno:

salaco
03-28-2008, 11:18 AM
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/Sour%20Grapes.jpg
Tough times for Obama. No matter, when he wakes up tommorow he will still be closer to the position fo US president than Ron Paul ever will be.

PetreTG
03-28-2008, 11:22 AM
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Tough times for Obama. No matter, when he wakes up tommorow he will still be closer to the position fo US president than Ron Paul ever will be.

And you think I care anymore ... we're going to hell no matter who takes the helm at this point. Obama is just another pawn and Ron Paul never had a chance.

salaco
03-28-2008, 12:00 PM
You certainly care enough to spam this forum with personalised attack material against barak and other candidates. Way to raise the level of political debate, you're just a mindless pawn yourself for the powerbrokers and their propaganda machines :nono:

PetreTG
03-28-2008, 12:09 PM
You certainly care enough to spam this forum with personalised attack material against barak and other candidates. Way to raise the level of political debate, you're just a mindless pawn yourself for the powerbrokers and their propaganda machines :nono:
Angry Salaco spewing insults ... you've changed :clap:

I'm guessing you like that fraud Obama. Or maybe you approve of his phoney Reverend Wright preaching hate on rich whitey and letting the church that takes money from poor blacks that buy his bullshit build him a $1.6 million home.

Or perhaps you buy Obama's , I'd have left if he stayed schtick ? Maybe you think using a crook like Pritzker as his campaign finance is a good call.

Or maybe .... Ahhhh what am I arguing with a bitch for ? :dunno:

I must say , I do find it funny that a guy from Ireland feels the need to comment on when an American thinks poorly of a candidate for President. Just goes to show you haven't learned a lesson yet either.

salaco
03-28-2008, 12:20 PM
Relax old boy, I'm bored and I know you're incapable of ignoring a perceived slight. Anyhoo, as you well know, the impact of the US presidency does reach considerably beyond the the 52 states, which gives me plenty of leeway to comment on the different electoral issues.

Trplsec
03-28-2008, 12:25 PM
Petre realizes Ron Paul is finished in 2008. He isn't slamming Obama because of Ron Paul. He's slamming Obama because he genuinely feels he would be a poor leader.

However, that also means he's endorsing McCain in a circuitous manner.

PetreTG
03-28-2008, 01:10 PM
Petre realizes Ron Paul is finished in 2008. He isn't slamming Obama because of Ron Paul. He's slamming Obama because he genuinely feels he would be a poor leader.

However, that also means he's endorsing McCain in a circuitous manner.

And I HATE McCAin :doh:

Gravel is possibly going to run Libertarian and is leaving the Democratic Party :clap:

He'd be a good choice , but he's pretty old to be President. :doh:

phonetap
03-28-2008, 04:45 PM
Petre realizes Ron Paul is finished in 2008. He isn't slamming Obama because of Ron Paul. He's slamming Obama because he genuinely feels he would be a poor leader.

However, that also means he's endorsing McCain in a circuitous manner.

sean hannity also feels this way but that doesn't mean he (like pastre) isn't anything but a mindless partisan hack. :laughing:

pastre is also taking a page from the bill o'reilly book of "no spin" by tossing out a couple words feining equal disdain for mccain. :rolleyes: pastre spends an inordinate amount of time attacking obama and next to none attacking billary and mcsame. sorry pastre...your true feelings are ringing out loud and clear. if pastre's next 10 topics or 100 postings are on either billary or mcsame then phonetap may start giving him the benefit of the doubt...

jaws1216
03-28-2008, 04:47 PM
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/Sour%20Grapes.jpg
Tough times for Obama. No matter, when he wakes up tommorow he will still be closer to the position fo US president than Ron Paul ever will be.

:lol:

Petre you are a retarded troll

TFK
03-28-2008, 05:18 PM
pastre spends an inordinate amount of time attacking obama and next to none attacking billary and mcsame. sorry pastre...your true feelings are ringing out loud and clear. if pastre's next 10 topics or 100 postings are on either billary or mcsame then phonetap may start giving him the benefit of the doubt...


Because nobody here is showing the support for McCain or Hillary that people are for Obama. If people were making endless claims about how good Hillary or McCain would be, I'm sure there would be as many negative posts about them as there are Obama.

The blind loyalty Obama's supporters show in the face of the numerous reasons why he would be a terrible president is disturbing.

TFK

PetreTG
03-28-2008, 05:54 PM
sean hannity also feels this way but that doesn't mean he (like pastre) isn't anything but a mindless partisan hack. :laughing:

pastre is also taking a page from the bill o'reilly book of "no spin" by tossing out a couple words feining equal disdain for mccain. :rolleyes: pastre spends an inordinate amount of time attacking obama and next to none attacking billary and mcsame. sorry pastre...your true feelings are ringing out loud and clear. if pastre's next 10 topics or 100 postings are on either billary or mcsame then phonetap may start giving him the benefit of the doubt...
Says the dumbass that still can't give a good reason to vote for a guy for PRESIDENT of THE USA beyond he's mixed like me so I can relate to him and he has charisma. :clap:

Guys like you are precisely why we're in the mess we are in this country and why it's so easy to fill a video full of retards that can't give a clue about the cadidate they support.

As for Hillary or McCain ... I've made my opinion clear. Why you shouldn't vote for Hillary is not an issue because I don't argue with morons and McCain is another terrible choice , but as sad as this is , he's the best of the three.

3 bowls of shit ... he stinks the least. GREAT.

PetreTG
03-28-2008, 05:59 PM
:lol:

Petre you are a retarded troll

I'm not sticking up for you anymore in the mod section. :nono:

atomicdOGg34
03-28-2008, 06:25 PM
"i realized this week..."

:laughing: :laughing:

after 30 something years of preaching he suddenly gets it

:laughing: :laughing:

i guess those rich white neighbors he was moving in next to at that gated community rubbed off on him

atomicdOGg34
03-28-2008, 06:27 PM
btw, sean hannity fiercly DEFENDED barack obama last night against a black preacher who was basically saying obama was born trash

so with a little sly(staff) logic.......

sean hannity and fox news are evil (aka conservative) and anything they say cant be trusted

sean hannity doesnt think obama was born trash

sean hannity and fox cannot be trusted

therefore; obama was born trash

QED

PetreTG
03-28-2008, 06:50 PM
"i realized this week..."

:laughing: :laughing:

after 30 something years of preaching he suddenly gets it

:laughing: :laughing:

i guess those rich white neighbors he was moving in next to at that gated community rubbed off on him

Yep .... guy is a big stinkin pile of bullshit. :clap:

jaws1216
03-28-2008, 08:05 PM
I'm not sticking up for you anymore in the mod section. :nono:

:doh: my last advocate.


seriously though, this obama hatred is I and I esque. Why do u feel the need to spam on someone who is obviously cut from a diff. mold from these other jackasses?

atomicdOGg34
03-28-2008, 08:14 PM
:doh: my last advocate.


seriously though, this obama hatred is I and I esque. Why do u feel the need to spam on someone who is obviously cut from a diff. mold from these other jackasses?

and what makes you think he is?

TFK
03-28-2008, 09:11 PM
and what makes you think he is?


Drinking the Kool-Aid.


TFK

jaws1216
03-28-2008, 09:51 PM
and what makes you think he is?

well unlike the idiots that have attacked what his relatives/pastor/advisors/etc. said, I do my best to actually listento the candidates themselves as they answer questions and have positions on things.

We wil have to choose between Obama and McCain.

One is a flaming racist who said we'll be in Iraq for 100 years, who has gone from saying the christian right is evil, to kissing their ass the last 18 months.

The other has been against the war from square one. Has a plan for universal health care, has said that ending the war in a timely fashion is a top priority, and who isn't taking in lobbyist money.

McCain went from supporting a campaign finance reform bill back when he had dignity, to taking every dime the neo-con's can offer, while simultaneously backtracking on his previous disgust with special interest.

You can flame, and post videos all you want about what an awful hypocrite the guy speaking change and diplomacy for foreign affairs is. But in the end this year we'll have a chance to choose between 4 more years of the same policies, and a chance at a new direction to get this economy and world-standing out of the shitter.

Barristan
03-28-2008, 10:42 PM
When are you clowns going to accept that Obamas destiny is the Presidency...He will ascend to the thrown, ALL HAIL!

Tyler Durden
03-28-2008, 11:26 PM
When are you clowns going to accept that Obamas destiny is the Presidency...He will ascend to the thrown, ALLAH AKHBAR!

:bears:

PetreTG
03-29-2008, 09:09 AM
:doh: my last advocate.


seriously though, this obama hatred is I and I esque. Why do u feel the need to spam on someone who is obviously cut from a diff. mold from these other jackasses?

I have pointed out many serious problems with supporting Obama. I challenged his supporters to give me a reason to vote for him and defend him . They could not. Hell they can't even give a good reason why THEY will vote for him that is relevant to running the USA as it's president.

Tyler Durden
03-29-2008, 09:13 AM
I have pointed out many serious problems with supporting Obama. I challenged his supporters to give me a reason to vote for him and defend him . They could not. Hell they can't even give a good reason why THEY will vote for him that is relevant to running the USA as it's president.

Stop it, just stop it.....he speaks well and is all about change :warning:

jaws1216
03-29-2008, 01:14 PM
I have pointed out many serious problems with supporting Obama. I challenged his supporters to give me a reason to vote for him and defend him . They could not. Hell they can't even give a good reason why THEY will vote for him that is relevant to running the USA as it's president.

no, you have pointed out rumors/speculation/spin and drivel from people whose job it is to talk shit on someone with a clean record.

I've given you plenty, here and in another thread. And whether you like it or not, the choice every american will have is between McCain and Obama. So everytime you talk down about Barack you are acknowledging that you'd rather have 4 more years of Bushie policies rather than even consider the possibility of someone different. You'd rather have someone who claims the war in Iraq will go on for another 100 years rather than someone who has said it will be a priority to get us out.

Frankly, its crap like what you've posted thats whats wrong with american politics. Every rumor, every glitch and people who are looking for an excuse to dislike someone grab something and run with it. Why not be mature and look at the reality, rather than posting shit about his reverend, or his link to an islamic school, or whatever.

Its indecent, and irresponsible what the Obama haters have flung at him, and I would expect that kind of crap from I and I, but not someone who considers themselves educated or has any interest in actual politics.

TFK
03-29-2008, 01:38 PM
no, you have pointed out rumors/speculation/spin and drivel from people whose job it is to talk shit on someone with a clean record.

Actually it's more like the Obama supporters who have ignored facts, truth and common sense.


I've given you plenty, here and in another thread.

Plenty of buzzwords.


And whether you like it or not, the choice every american will have is between McCain and Obama.

Don't be surprised if Clinton steals it. It can, and just might, happen. And by steal, I mean that in the literal sense of the word.


So everytime you talk down about Barack you are acknowledging that you'd rather have 4 more years of Bushie policies rather than even consider the possibility of someone different.

The mistake is assuming 'different' is better. And how much 'different' will Obama really be? Not nearly as much as the Kool-Aid Drinkers believe.


You'd rather have someone who claims the war in Iraq will go on for another 100 years rather than someone who has said it will be a priority to get us out.


I'd rather someone who is honest about our staying there, then someone who will lie about leaving to win an election, then will not get us out of there. Open your eyes. Even if Obama wins, we're not leaving Iraq. Bank on it.


Frankly, its crap like what you've posted thats whats wrong with american politics. Every rumor, every glitch and people who are looking for an excuse to dislike someone grab something and run with it.

There's a lot more wrong with American Politics then that.


Why not be mature and look at the reality, rather than posting shit about his reverend, or his link to an islamic school, or whatever.


The irony of an Obama supporter asking to look at reality is mind numbing. The Obama camp is the one living in a fantasy land, refusing to look at the reality of things. They're too caught up in buzzwords and false promises to see what Obama really is...or isn't.


Its indecent, and irresponsible what the Obama haters have flung at him, and I would expect that kind of crap from I and I, but not someone who considers themselves educated or has any interest in actual politics.

That's all part of politics and has been going on forever. Right or wrong, that's just the way it is. And what's happening to Obama is no different then what's happened to others.

TFK

Arben
03-29-2008, 03:19 PM
No matter what you say about obama, they will mark it down as a buzzword or not good enough in their book. It's pretty pathetic that Petre, someone who is supposedly against this kind of "politics," has become a tool for it.

At least we are voting for someone that can actually accomplish something. As opposed to Ron Paul, who in his years of public "service," hasn't accomplished a single thing.

Even crybaby Mike Gravel can't make that claim.

TFK
03-29-2008, 03:24 PM
At least we are voting for someone that can actually accomplish something.


What can Obama accomplish?


TFK

boxerpuncher
03-29-2008, 03:57 PM
we voters don't k now what anyone can accomplish before they are in office. But if we folllow the issues we know what they hope to accomplish and that's what we have always voted for. Nobody has a cyrstal ball.

Black Market Baby
03-29-2008, 04:12 PM
He'd be a good choice , but he's pretty old to be President. :doh:

because 72 and 77 are that different.

Black Market Baby
03-29-2008, 04:14 PM
well unlike the idiots that have attacked what his relatives/pastor/advisors/etc. said, I do my best to actually listento the candidates themselves as they answer questions and have positions on things.

We wil have to choose between Obama and McCain.

One is a flaming racist who said we'll be in Iraq for 100 years, who has gone from saying the christian right is evil, to kissing their ass the last 18 months.

The other has been against the war from square one. Has a plan for universal health care, has said that ending the war in a timely fashion is a top priority, and who isn't taking in lobbyist money.

McCain went from supporting a campaign finance reform bill back when he had dignity, to taking every dime the neo-con's can offer, while simultaneously backtracking on his previous disgust with special interest.

You can flame, and post videos all you want about what an awful hypocrite the guy speaking change and diplomacy for foreign affairs is. But in the end this year we'll have a chance to choose between 4 more years of the same policies, and a chance at a new direction to get this economy and world-standing out of the shitter.

Word. Fucking McCain broke his own fucking finance rule.

Rock on
03-29-2008, 05:13 PM
Hahahahaaa what a fraud. :lol:

Just another Reverend Bullshit running a POS crooked church :clap:

HEY DUMBSHIT PARISHNER's ... Guess where your tithings to God went ... Into Reverend Wrong's (who bitched about rich white people) $1,600,000.00 Mansion

:laughing:
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Obama’s Former Pastor Getting $1.6M Home in Retirement (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/27/obamas-former-pastor-builds-a-multimillion-dollar-retirement-home/)

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Thursday, March 27, 2008
http://elections.foxnews.com/files/2008/03/wright_house4.jpg
The four- bedroom, 10,000-plus square foot home that Trinity United Church of Christ is building for Reverend Jeremiah Wright. (FNC Photo)

By Jeff Goldblatt
This was supposed to be the week that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. returned to the pulpit to preach for the first time since his anti-American sermons generated nationwide outrage and drew condemnation from his longtime parishioner, Barack Obama.


But, citing security concerns, Wright canceled his speaking engagements in Florida and Texas. A spokeswoman at his former church in Chicago said his schedule is pending.


A two-week FOX News investigation, however, has uncovered where Wright will be spending a good deal of his timein retirement, and it is a far cry from the impoverished Chicago streets where the preacher led his ministry for 36 years.


FOX News has uncovered documents that indicate Wright is about to move to a 10,340-square-foot, four-bedroom home in suburban Chicago, currently under construction in a gated community.


While it is not uncommon for an accomplished clergyman to live in luxury, Wright’s retirement residence is raising some questions.


“Some people think deals like this are hypocritical. Jeremiah Wright himself criticizes people from the pulpit for middle classism, for too much materialism,” said Andrew Walsh, Associate Director of the Leonard E. Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life with Trinity College in Hartford, Conn.


“So he’s entitled to be tweaked here. So the question really is, how unusual is this? Somewhat unusual,” he said.


According to documents obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds, Wright purchased two empty lots in Tinley Park, Ill., from Chicago restaurant chain owner Kenny Lewis for $345,000 in 2004.


Documents show Wright sold the property to his church, Trinity United, in December 2006, with the proceeds going to a living trust shared with his wife, Ramah.


The sale price for the land was just under $308,000, about $40,000 less than Wright’s original purchase two years earlier.


Public records of the sale show Trinity initially obtained a $10 million bank loan to purchase the property and build a new house on the land.


But further investigation with tax and real estate attorneys showed that the church had actually secured a $1.6 million mortgage for the home purchase, and attached a $10 million line of credit, for reasons unspecified in the paperwork.


There is apparently nothing wrong with that, according to non-profit tax expert Jack Siegel of Charity Governance Consulting, who examined public documents FOX News obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds and the Village of Tinley Park.


“At least looking at it from a public document standpoint, there’s clearly not a problem that jumps out or some sort of wrongdoing,” Siegel said.


Siegel characterizes the transaction as unusual, however, because of the way Wright sold the property to Trinity and the way the deal was financed, with the attached $10 million line of credit.


Because churches are classified as private businesses, Trinity isn’t required to reveal its intended use for the line of credit. Nor, because it’s a non-profit entity, is it required to provide that information to the IRS.


A spokesman for ShoreBank, the Chicago-based financial institution that secured mortgages for the loans, said the deals were aboveboard.


Wright did not respond to repeated calls for comment, and Trinity United refused to discuss the specifics of the home it is building for him and the way the deal was financed.

When I opened a Wright thread u merged it to another thread where u claimed my topic "is already covered".

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showpost.php?p=592565&postcount=1115
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You also merged my Obama thread to another thread.
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Yet u continue to open Wright/Obama threads like this one even though this issue is already covered in a few ongoing threads.
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You are dishonest, a hypocrite and lack integrity.
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You are also high-handed and abuse your MOD powers.
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Are u going to merge this thread with other existing threads where the Wright/Obama issue has been exhaustively covered or are we going to continue to witness your hypocrisy with the existence of this thread?
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How many more Wright/Obama threads are u going to open after this one?

PetreTG
03-29-2008, 05:34 PM
When I opened a Wright thread u merged it to another thread where u claimed my topic "is already covered".

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showpost.php?p=592565&postcount=1115
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You also merged my Obama thread to another thread.
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Yet u continue to open Wright/Obama threads like this one even though this issue is already covered in a few ongoing threads.
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You are dishonest, a hypocrite and lack integrity.
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You are also high-handed and abuse your MOD powers.
<o:p></o:p>
Are u going to merge this thread with other existing threads where the Wright/Obama issue has been exhaustively covered or are we going to continue to witness your hypocrisy with the existence of this thread?
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How many more Wright/Obama threads are u going to open after this one?

:lol: Cry like a baby Rock on ... I merged all my Obama threads your's and others that day into one Obama thread that has moved a few pages down since then, you poor little picked on girl. :clap:

atomicdOGg34
03-29-2008, 07:04 PM
i go by obamas words too

"ill have the troops out in 16 months"
"im not committed to having them all out by the end of my 1st term 5 years from now"

"i wasnt in the church when wright said ANY of those things"

and now, on the view the other day he said he didnt hear "some" of things in church

he thinks the typical white person is a stereotyping racist uttering fearmonger

any economist will say that we cant afford obamas plans, hell SS and medicare alone will take up nearly ALL of the federal budget soon and ending the war in iraq isnt enough to pay for everything he wants, thats a fact

obama voted AGAINST HIS OWN ECONOMIC PACKAGE

in the end, obama = more spending, higher taxes, no SS fix, no healthcare fix, a global tax that doesnt even benefit the US

i could go on but you get the point

atomicdOGg34
03-29-2008, 07:27 PM
whats worse

i keep seeing interview after interview pop up of other black preachers saying this sort of thing is common, and that they believe its 100% real, its unbelievable, people that going to this church saying things like, "thats what i call growing up in black america", its unreal

Godfather
03-29-2008, 07:28 PM
well unlike the idiots that have attacked what his relatives/pastor/advisors/etc. said, I do my best to actually listento the candidates themselves as they answer questions and have positions on things.

We wil have to choose between Obama and McCain.

One is a flaming racist
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/12/27/us/27mccain-450.jpg


This is McCain's adopted daughter. How is he racist?

atomicdOGg34
03-29-2008, 07:30 PM
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/12/27/us/27mccain-450.jpg


This is McCain's adopted daughter. How is he racist?

that girl is clearly indian :nono:

















:lol:

Godfather
03-29-2008, 07:42 PM
that girl is clearly indian :nono:

















:lol:

McCain's wife went to Bangladesh and visited an orphanage. Someone brought her a little girl that was poor and sick and said they couldnt care for her. McCain's wife took her, hugged her and took her on the plain. When she went back Home, John McCain asked her who was that little girl, and McCain's wife said it was "ours" if thats okay. Since then McCain has been raising that child.

atomicdOGg34
03-29-2008, 07:48 PM
McCain's wife went to Bangladesh and visited an orphanage. Someone brought her a little girl that was poor and sick and said they couldnt care for her. McCain's wife took her, hugged her and took her on the plain. When she went back Home, John McCain asked her who was that little girl, and McCain's wife said it was "ours" if thats okay. Since then McCain has been raising that child.

i was just messing

i think mccain is a good guy at heart

Godfather
03-29-2008, 07:50 PM
i was just messing

i think mccain is a good guy at heartFuck i dont care about McCain, but i just dont think he is racist. I think Obama might be the racist one.

atomicdOGg34
03-29-2008, 07:54 PM
Fuck i dont care about McCain, but i just dont think he is racist. I think Obama might be the racist one.

werd

jaws1216
03-29-2008, 09:08 PM
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/12/27/us/27mccain-450.jpg


This is McCain's adopted daughter. How is he racist?

black isn't the only kind of minority.

He literally hates asians.

Rock on
03-29-2008, 10:48 PM
:lol: Cry like a baby Rock on ... I merged all my Obama threads your's and others that day into one Obama thread that has moved a few pages down since then, you poor little picked on girl. :clap:

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Multiple, never-ending threads on same issue has been your forte for so long. <o:p></o:p>
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You remain the biggest spammer on Fightbeat.<o:p></o:p>
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For the benefit of other boards users, please refrain from spamming the board with these racist anti-Obama threads. <o:p></o:p>
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You do a disservice to the spirit of the board and particularly the efforts of other MODs with your incessant spamming and abuse of your MOD powers.<o:p></o:p>

Godfather
03-29-2008, 11:14 PM
black isn't the only kind of minority.

He literally hates asians.Prove it.

jaws1216
03-29-2008, 11:22 PM
Prove it.

Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

Godfather
03-29-2008, 11:30 PM
Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."Maybe he meant the ones that had him captured? He couldnt have meant all asians.

Godfather
03-29-2008, 11:41 PM
I just did some research and he was indeed talking about his captors. He shouldnt have used the word gooks, but he made a mistake. He apologized. He also has shown that he is in no way racist towards all asians.

PetreTG
03-30-2008, 10:16 AM
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Multiple, never-ending threads on same issue has been your forte for so long. <o:p></o:p>
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You remain the biggest spammer on Fightbeat.<o:p></o:p>
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For the benefit of other boards users, please refrain from spamming the board with these racist anti-Obama threads. <o:p></o:p>
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You do a disservice to the spirit of the board and particularly the efforts of other MODs with your incessant spamming and abuse of your MOD powers.<o:p></o:p>
:lol: Could you possibly sound any more like a girl or contrived ? ... I have a hard time seeing it. :clap:


And .... btw , reviewing YOUR threads and the litanny of mindless cryptic , "synopsisless" tripe you have spammed the boards with like these , your latest gems http://fightbeat.com/forums/images/buttons/firstnew.gif (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=24799) Da Pet!! (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24799)

ERRANI BROTHERS (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24398)

Alan Keyes (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24185)

The Snake Girl (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24289)

Obama and the Generals... (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24386)


I will take some of your own advice and do unto you as you cry unto me by removing all your future substanceless spam. And please never pm me any more with your crying about mods like Payton who were abusing your poor sensibilities, the cry will fall on deaf ears and your lone defense in the Mod Squad will be gone.

Taking your advice , You have been warned , future substanceless spammy post like this with no synopsis whatsoever and nothing but a link or stupid one line meaningless query will be deleted. Keep making them and so will you.

View (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18546)

Rock on
03-30-2008, 11:26 AM
:lol: Could you possibly sound any more like a girl or contrived ? ... I have a hard time seeing it. :clap:


And .... btw , reviewing YOUR threads and the litanny of mindless cryptic , "synopsisless" tripe you have spammed the boards with like these , your latest gems http://fightbeat.com/forums/images/buttons/firstnew.gif (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=24799) Da Pet!! (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24799)

ERRANI BROTHERS (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24398)

Alan Keyes (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24185)

The Snake Girl (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24289)

Obama and the Generals... (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24386)


I will take some of your own advice and do unto you as you cry unto me by removing all your future substanceless spam. And please never pm me any more with your crying about mods like Payton who were abusing your poor sensibilities, the cry will fall on deaf ears and your lone defense in the Mod Squad will be gone.

Taking your advice , You have been warned , future substanceless spammy post like this with no synopsis whatsoever and nothing but a link or stupid one line meaningless query will be deleted. Keep making them and so will you.

View (http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18546)

Hopefully, we won't have to endure your mindless, bigoted, half truths, fabrication and lies based daily spams going forward.

No doubt, many here would be relieved.

PetreTG
03-30-2008, 12:37 PM
Hopefully, we won't have to endure your mindless, bigoted, half truths, fabrication and lies based daily spams going forward.

No doubt, many here would be relieved.

Nothing but words and a skewed opinion.

What we won't be enduring is your substance less childlike threads. That I can guarantee you.

Rock on
03-30-2008, 12:42 PM
Nothing but words and a skewed opinion.

What we won't be enduring is your substance less childlike threads. That I can guarantee you.

U can stick ur guarantee where the sun don't shine for all I care as long as u stop spamming!

Black Market Baby
03-30-2008, 12:49 PM
:lol: :lol:

phonetap
03-30-2008, 12:52 PM
Says the dumbass that still can't give a good reason to vote for a guy for PRESIDENT of THE USA beyond he's mixed like me so I can relate to him and he has charisma. :clap:

Guys like you are precisely why we're in the mess we are in this country and why it's so easy to fill a video full of retards that can't give a clue about the cadidate they support.

As for Hillary or McCain ... I've made my opinion clear. Why you shouldn't vote for Hillary is not an issue because I don't argue with morons and McCain is another terrible choice , but as sad as this is , he's the best of the three.

3 bowls of shit ... he stinks the least. GREAT.

so says the dipshit who can't point out one legislative accomplishment of his candidate. all you have to go on is what paul didn't vote for...yup, that's presidential material alright. lets elect the quack doctor no one listens too...:laughing: :notallthere: :laughing:

jaws1216
03-30-2008, 04:59 PM
I just did some research and he was indeed talking about his captors. He shouldnt have used the word gooks, but he made a mistake. He apologized. He also has shown that he is in no way racist towards all asians.

you can't say something like "I hate the gooks" without deep underlying disdain. Its just not possible, especially for a politician who knows every word matters. I'm sure there are other quotes of his that would point to similar feelings.

And let me clarify, I don't blame him. If I went through what he did, I'm sure I'd feel the same way. However, this is the kind of thing that matters, the candidate shouldn't be biased against an entire group. I mean say he gets in and North Korea starts acting up. Wil he consider diplomatic procedures or will we be in another foreign country for "our own protection."

The point in all this, is that Obama is twice the candidate McCain is. I mean you neo-con's butchered Kerry for "flip-flopping." Take two seconds to consider McCain violating his own major contribution to campaign finance law.

Godfather
03-30-2008, 05:45 PM
you can't say something like "I hate the gooks" without deep underlying disdain. Its just not possible, especially for a politician who knows every word matters. I'm sure there are other quotes of his that would point to similar feelings.

And let me clarify, I don't blame him. If I went through what he did, I'm sure I'd feel the same way. However, this is the kind of thing that matters, the candidate shouldn't be biased against an entire group. I mean say he gets in and North Korea starts acting up. Wil he consider diplomatic procedures or will we be in another foreign country for "our own protection."

The point in all this, is that Obama is twice the candidate McCain is. I mean you neo-con's butchered Kerry for "flip-flopping." Take two seconds to consider McCain violating his own major contribution to campaign finance law.But he already proved without a shadow of a doubt that he isnt racist agaisnt asians. :dunno:

jaws1216
03-30-2008, 05:50 PM
But he already proved without a shadow of a doubt that he isnt racist agaisnt asians. :dunno:

he did this by....apologizing for something that he said?

Spitzer apologized for being involved in prostitution. Do you think he aws sorry he did it, or sorry he was caught. Extend that to any person in history that has been caught doing or saying something.

Godfather
03-30-2008, 05:56 PM
he did this by....apologizing for something that he said?

Spitzer apologized for being involved in prostitution. Do you think he aws sorry he did it, or sorry he was caught. Extend that to any person in history that has been caught doing or saying something.No, he did this by bringing in an asian child from another country and raising her as one of his own.

jaws1216
03-31-2008, 12:05 AM
No, he did this by bringing in an asian child from another country and raising her as one of his own.

call an indian, or an arab asian and see their reaction:lol:

its actually funny, because its technically true.

Godfather
03-31-2008, 12:23 AM
call an indian, or an arab asian and see their reaction:lol:

its actually funny, because its technically true.India is actually pretty close to Vietnam.

mexican wedding shirt
03-31-2008, 07:17 AM
Indians aren't Asians, they are Indians.

Vietnamese wouldn't consider themselves part of the same ethnic group as Indians, and vice versa for the punjabis.

LOK
03-31-2008, 09:59 AM
McCain is the best of the 3

slystaff
03-31-2008, 10:17 AM
Indians aren't Asians, they are Indians.

Vietnamese wouldn't consider themselves part of the same ethnic group as Indians, and vice versa for the punjabis.:doh:

I guess Germans aren't Europeans either? :notallthere:

Godfather
03-31-2008, 04:21 PM
Indians aren't Asians, they are Indians.

Vietnamese wouldn't consider themselves part of the same ethnic group as Indians, and vice versa for the punjabis.Come on MWS. Thias are basically indian.

That whole area is Asia

PetreTG
04-29-2008, 04:54 PM
And APPALLED!!! :rolleyes:
Well I guess he never heard any of this latest stuff before. Hahahaaa :lol:

What a crock load of bullshit.

I wonder who's gonna eat it up ?

What he really means to say is ... Yeah I agree with his opinions , but he's fucking with my bid for the presidency so fuck him!

:flip:

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WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (AP) - Democrat Barack Obama said Tuesday he was outraged and appalled by the latest comments from his former pastor, who asserted that criticism of his fiery sermons is an attack on the black church and the U.S. government was responsible for the creation of the AIDS virus. The presidential candidate is seeking to tamp down the growing fury over Rev. Jeremiah Wright and his incendiary remarks that threaten to undermine his campaign.

"I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday," Obama told reporters at a news conference.

After weeks of staying out of the public eye while critics lambasted his sermons, Wright made three public appearances in four days to defend himself. The former pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago has been combative, providing colorful commentary and feeding the story Obama had hoped was dying down.

"This is not an attack on Jeremiah Wright," Wright told the Washington media Monday. "It has nothing to do with Senator Obama. It is an attack on the black church launched by people who know nothing about the African-American religious tradition."

Obama told reporters Tuesday that Wright's comments do not accurately portray the perspective of the black church.

"The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago," Obama said of the man who married him.

Wright criticized the U.S. government as imperialist and stood by his suggestion that the United States invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against minorities. "Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything," he said.

Obama said he heard that Wright had given "a performance" and when he watched tapes, he realized that it more than just a case of the former pastor defending himself.

"What became clear to me was that he was presenting a world view that contradicts what I am and what I stand for," Obama said.

In a highly publicized speech last month, Obama sharply condemned Wright's remarks. But he did not leave the church or repudiate the minister himself, who he said was like a family member.

On Tuesday, Obama sought to distance himself further from Wright.

"I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia explaining that he's done enormous good. ... But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS. ... There are no excuses. They offended me. They rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced."

Wright recently retired from the church. He became an issue in Obama's presidential bid when videos circulated of Wright condemning the U.S. government for allegedly racist and genocidal acts. In the videos, some several years old, Wright called on God to "damn America." He also said the government created the AIDS virus to destroy "people of color."

Obama said he didn't vet his pastor before deciding to seek the presidency. He said he was particularly distressed that the furor has been a distraction to the purpose of a campaign.

PetreTG
04-29-2008, 04:59 PM
QUESTION ...

Who here thinks this is the first time Obama's heard Wright link HIV to the US Government ?

:lol:

You'd have to be a total fucking moron to believe that ... and that's exactly what he's hoping his supporters are. :clap:

jaws1216
04-29-2008, 05:00 PM
hmmm, no thread about Hillary lying about Bosnia, no thread about McCain voting against MLK day.

But speculative crap and propganda to fire on your latest target.

You are a troll.

Arben
04-29-2008, 05:01 PM
You have made it obvious that your biggest qualm with Obama is this rediculous issue.

What are your thoughts on McCain's relationship with Jerry Falwell?

PetreTG
04-29-2008, 05:03 PM
hmmm, no thread about Hillary lying about Bosnia, no thread about McCain voting against MLK day.

But speculative crap and propganda to fire on your latest target.

You are a troll.

Hillary is trash ... I guess you missed my last Sig about her. :clap:

McCain is a nut too. I made plenty of comments about him months back before he became the nominee (basically that's what he is so that's the first pile of shit we're stuck with )

IF there was a single idiot here dumb enough to support Hillary , I'd be all over it. Preaching to the choir aint my thing. :cool:

PetreTG
04-29-2008, 05:05 PM
You have made it obvious that your biggest qualm with Obama is this rediculous issue.

What are your thoughts on McCain's relationship with Jerry Falwell?

Oh really ? :lol:

You might want to go back and read the Daily Obamanation ... :cool:

As for McCain and Farwell , two more piles of shit ally themselves ... whoopdydoo! I'm shocked!

McCain is crap. We have 3 piles of it to choose from. :shit: :shit: :shit:

Unlike some of you ... I refuse to choose any of them.

Rock on
04-29-2008, 05:08 PM
QUESTION ...

Who here thinks this is the first time Obama's heard Wright link HIV to the US Government ?

:lol:

You'd have to be a total fucking moron to believe that ... and that's exactly what he's hoping his supporters are. :clap:

Most people in the public are ignorant and stupid. That is the way they are. Only 10 % know what the score is.

They would buy it because they are made to buy politician's bullshit & they usually do.

They elected Bush, so go figure.

Arben
04-29-2008, 05:11 PM
Oh really ? :lol:

You might want to go back and read the Daily Obamanation ... :cool:

As for McCain and Farwell , two more piles of shit ally themselves ... whoopdydoo! I'm shocked!

McCain is crap. We have 3 piles of it to choose from. :shit: :shit: :shit:

Unlike some of you ... I refuse to choose any of them.
Says the guy whose significant impact on this forum for a bit now has been posting about Obama and his Pastor.

Rock on
04-29-2008, 05:11 PM
Oh really ? :lol:

You might want to go back and read the Daily Obamanation ... :cool:

As for McCain and Farwell , two more piles of shit ally themselves ... whoopdydoo! I'm shocked!

McCain is crap. We have 3 piles of it to choose from. :shit: :shit: :shit:

Unlike some of you ... I refuse to choose any of them.

Ohhh that makes u soooooooooo special, isn't it smart one :lol:

U voted for Bush, didnt u? I wonder which is worse.

jaws1216
04-29-2008, 05:12 PM
Hillary is trash ... I guess you missed my last Sig about her. :clap:

McCain is a nut too. I made plenty of comments about him months back before he became the nominee (basically that's what he is so that's the first pile of shit we're stuck with )

IF there was a single idiot here dumb enough to support Hillary , I'd be all over it. Preaching to the choir aint my thing. :cool:

comments from a former pastor is a non-issue made an issue by paranoid racists looking for something to slam Obama on.

Politics is total garbage, and its as if Obama's body of work/vocalized opinions mean nothing as long as they find some guy in his past who is outrageous.

I'll just reiterate what Arben said, how about McCain's 180 on Jerry Fallwell, someone with twice the lunacy of Wright.

Rock on
04-29-2008, 05:19 PM
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PetreTG
04-29-2008, 05:32 PM
Ohhh that makes u soooooooooo special, isn't it smart one :lol:

U voted for Bush, didnt u? I wonder which is worse.

No I did not.

PetreTG
04-29-2008, 05:33 PM
comments from a former pastor is a non-issue made an issue by paranoid racists looking for something to slam Obama on.

Politics is total garbage, and its as if Obama's body of work/vocalized opinions mean nothing as long as they find some guy in his past who is outrageous.

I'll just reiterate what Arben said, how about McCain's 180 on Jerry Fallwell, someone with twice the lunacy of Wright.
Sorry but , where a man chooses to practice his faith in god is not a non-issue.

And had say , Ron Paul been a member of any church even remotely connected to racism , you guys would have been on it like flies on :shit:

Rock on
04-29-2008, 05:38 PM
No I did not.

So u voted for Gore and Kerry then?

If u are so bold to publicly express ur opinions on politcians, then u should be bold to publicly tell us who u voted for in the last 2 presidential elections.

Who did u vote for, PetreTG? Be honest.

toomuchsol
04-29-2008, 05:47 PM
Sorry but , where a man chooses to practice his faith in god is not a non-issue.

And had say , Ron Paul been a member of any church even remotely connected to racism , you guys would have been on it like flies on :shit:

And had say Ron Paul had a newsletter with racist views published under his name you would have been all over it......oh wait.:doh:

slystaff
04-29-2008, 05:57 PM
hmmm, no thread about Hillary lying about Bosnia, no thread about McCain voting against MLK day.

But speculative crap and propganda to fire on your latest target.

You are a troll.Well said.

TFK
04-29-2008, 06:56 PM
Personally, I think Obama's connection to Wright is small potatoes compared to Obama's connection to Bill Ayers.


TFK

Godfather
04-29-2008, 08:15 PM
Good For Obama. I am glad he is finally distancing himself from that pastor. :clap:

Godfather
04-29-2008, 08:17 PM
Personally, I think Obama's connection to Wright is small potatoes compared to Obama's connection to Bill Ayers.


TFKYes that is something he will need to explain more. The fact that he went to his home, made speeches with him and serves on a board. Hopefully Obama explains himself better than he has, and he can go on to talk about the issues. But this needs to be addressed.

atomicdOGg34
04-29-2008, 08:22 PM
an interesting question now is, who will african americans side with?

will they forsake and denounce wright as obama did or will they forsake and denounce obama?

Godfather
04-29-2008, 08:29 PM
an interesting question now is, who will african americans side with?

will they forsake and denounce wright as obama did or will they forsake and denounce obama?Many african americans dont agree with Wright. And also, not every African american will vote for Obama anyways. I think Wright is the one that comes off looking bad in the end. And the people that supported wright look foolish (slystaff) now that obama said the man is a loon.

atomicdOGg34
04-29-2008, 08:50 PM
Many african americans dont agree with Wright. And also, not every African american will vote for Obama anyways. I think Wright is the one that comes off looking bad in the end. And the people that supported wright look foolish (slystaff) now that obama said the man is a loon.

with 90% of black supporting obama i dunno

some will be effected

lots of blacks, especially those overly religious (slystaff) might be offended in some fashion

Rock on
04-29-2008, 09:00 PM
Yes that is something he will need to explain more. The fact that he went to his home, made speeches with him and serves on a board. Hopefully Obama explains himself better than he has, and he can go on to talk about the issues. But this needs to be addressed.

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With the characteristic and normal involvement of past US presidents in terrorism - if past US presidents have sanctioned CIA's terrorist and murderous activities like they are required to do and surely did (50s - 80s the glorious years of American evil :lol:), why can't Obama be eligible to be president? :dunno:

By the way, George Bush snr was the CIA head for a good 15 years! Go figure.

Godfather
04-29-2008, 09:11 PM
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With the characteristic and normal involvement of past US presidents in terrorism - if past US presidents have sanctioned CIA's terrorist and murderous activities like they are required to do and surely did (50s - 80s the glorious years of American evil :lol:), why can't Obama be eligible to be president? :dunno:

By the way, George Bush snr was the CIA head for a good 15 years! Go figure.I have no problem with Obama being president. As long as he answers for the ayers thing. As far as all the other stuff you posted, make a new thread about it. Its a good discussion. :clap:

Rock on
04-29-2008, 09:27 PM
I have no problem with Obama being president. As long as he answers for the ayers thing. As far as all the other stuff you posted, make a new thread about it. Its a good discussion. :clap:

Obama has addressed his relationship with Ayers. He did so again, eloquently in an interview on FOX news just 2 days ago.

Though all his detractors saw the interview, they would still keep coming back with the classic "he needs to address the issue" :lol:.

Personally, he should not have borthered. With American presidents' history of involvement in terorrism, Obama is in good company and his relationship with Ayers is redundant.

But of course America dont mind their presidents being involved in terorr but they take a dim view of Obama's relationship with Ayers :lol:. Barack Obama is different, we know.

Godfather
04-29-2008, 09:34 PM
Obama has addressed his relationship with Ayers. He did so again, eloquently in an interview on FOX news just 2 days ago.

Though all his detractors saw the interview, they would still keep coming back with the classic "he needs to address the issue" :lol:.

Personally, he should not have borthered. With American presidents' history of involvement in terorrism, Obama is in good company and his relationship with Ayers is redundant.

But of course America dont mind their presidents being involved in terorr but they take a dim view of Obama's relationship with Ayers :lol:. Barack Obama is different, we know.IF what you say is true, why would you be against people actually trying to get all the info about the next president? Why cant people actually learn from their supposed mistakes? Since you hate america so much and all you do is talk about how bad we are, why do you get mad at americans trying to know everything posible about the current canditates?

Rock on
04-29-2008, 09:39 PM
IF what you say is true, why would you be against people actually trying to get all the info about the next president? Why cant people actually learn from their supposed mistakes? Since you hate america so much and all you do is talk about how bad we are, why do you get mad at americans trying to know everything posible about the current canditates?

Please provide examples of where I opposed people from finding info about the next president?

Godfather
04-29-2008, 09:46 PM
Please provide examples of where I opposed people from finding info about the next president?You are complaining about trying to get all the information about Obama. If its okay for other presidents, it should be okay for Obama right?

Rock on
04-29-2008, 09:58 PM
You are complaining about trying to get all the information about Obama. If its okay for other presidents, it should be okay for Obama right?

How did I complain?

Godfather
04-29-2008, 10:06 PM
How did I complain?So you have no problem with people asking Obama about these issues? Good. I dont either. End of discussion.

PetreTG
04-30-2008, 09:04 AM
So u voted for Gore and Kerry then?

If u are so bold to publicly express ur opinions on politcians, then u should be bold to publicly tell us who u voted for in the last 2 presidential elections.

Who did u vote for, PetreTG? Be honest.

I'll bet you at least 50% (Probably more) of long time forum members can answer that question. :cool:

PetreTG
04-30-2008, 09:05 AM
And had say Ron Paul had a newsletter with racist views published under his name you would have been all over it......oh wait.:doh:

I brought them up , debated the accusations and debunked them for a lame smear attempt.

PetreTG
04-30-2008, 09:07 AM
Personally, I think Obama's connection to Wright is small potatoes compared to Obama's connection to Bill Ayers.


TFK

Ayers , Rezko , Pritzker , Brzenski .... and so on.

People want to pretend like Wright is the only one that's been brought up when the truth is , as I have said.

Obama has a long list of very questionable associates and choices.

slystaff
04-30-2008, 09:24 AM
Ayers , Rezko , Pritzker , Brzenski .... and so on.

People want to pretend like Wright is the only one that's been brought up when the truth is , as I have said.

Obama has a long list of very questionable associates and choices.None of them are as questionable as Osama Bin Laden...an associate of both George W and his father, yet Republicans would have you believe that Bush (both of them) are far better Presidents than Obama could ever be.

PetreTG
04-30-2008, 09:38 AM
None of them are as questionable as Osama Bin Laden...an associate of both George W and his father, yet Republicans would have you believe that Bush (both of them) are far better Presidents than Obama could ever be.

I agree ... none are as questionable as the ties to the Bin Ladens or Saudis in general.

As for whether or not the 2 BUllSHits would be better than Obama ...

I always wonder why people want to compare shit with more shit , like this makes the other shit less shitty. :shit:

slystaff
04-30-2008, 10:13 AM
I agree ... none are as questionable as the ties to the Bin Ladens or Saudis in general.

As for whether or not the 2 BUllSHits would be better than Obama ...

I always wonder why people want to compare shit with more shit , like this makes the other shit less shitty. :shit:Most people, if you've lived long enough, travelled and met lots of people have acquired questionable associations.

I have a couple childhood friends that have since gone into crime:

One was involved in fraud
The other involved in robbery and narcotics

Does that mean that I lack judgement?

I'm not lik ethat and have never been and neither did I know that these guys would eventually go that route.

I cannot be held responsible for the actions of these guys when they did them.

If you dig deep enough....NONE of the political candidates and former candidates would be squeeky clean in their associations.

Hanz
04-30-2008, 10:16 AM
Sly, if Obama was indian would you vote for him?

PetreTG
04-30-2008, 10:48 AM
Most people, if you've lived long enough, travelled and met lots of people have acquired questionable associations.

I have a couple childhood friends that have since gone into crime:

One was involved in fraud
The other involved in robbery and narcotics

Does that mean that I lack judgement?

I'm not lik ethat and have never been and neither did I know that these guys would eventually go that route.

I cannot be held responsible for the actions of these guys when they did them.

If you dig deep enough....NONE of the political candidates and former candidates would be squeeky clean in their associations.
Obama's are past, present and future associations , none of which he denounces for their actions ... even this latest "I outraged and appalled" nonsense , you have to be a total moron not to see through.

Godfather
04-30-2008, 12:08 PM
None of them are as questionable as Osama Bin Laden...an associate of both George W and his father, yet Republicans would have you believe that Bush (both of them) are far better Presidents than Obama could ever be.Bush went to Bin Ladin's home and made speeches with him? Bush's daughter and Osama's daughters went to the same school together? Bush served on the same board with Osama?

Where are the connections between bush's father, bush and Bin Ladin?

Rock on
04-30-2008, 12:57 PM
I'll bet you at least 50% (Probably more) of long time forum members can answer that question. :cool:

The person u voted for is your non-answer ... we know :rolleyes:

U r a weasel Mr PetreTG.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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You see how easy it is for u to be propagandise, abuse, debase and mouth off with reckless abandon from the comfort of ur armchair about politicians when u can't even publicly fess up to who u voted for?<o:p></o:p>
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Methinks the politicians and public figures u abuse here 24/7 would be laughing at u now, don’t u? :lol: <o:p></o:p>

Godfather
04-30-2008, 12:59 PM
The person u voted for is your non-answer ... we know :rolleyes:

U r a weasel Mr PetreTG.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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You see how easy it is for u to be propagandise, abuse, debase and mouth off with reckless abandon from the comfort of ur armchair about politicians when u can't even publicly fess up to who u voted for?<o:p></o:p>
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Methinks the politicians and public figures u abuse here 24/7 would be laughing at u now, don’t u? :lol: <o:p></o:p>thats pretty much it. Petre never votes.

PetreTG
04-30-2008, 01:02 PM
The person u voted for is your non-answer ... we know :rolleyes:

U r a weasel Mr PetreTG.<o:p></o:p>
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Courage is <st1:city><st1:place>ur</st1:place></st1:city> bane.<o:p></o:p>
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You see how easy it is for u to be propagandise, abuse, debase and mouth off with reckless abandon from the comfort of ur armchair about politicians when u can't even publicly fess up to who u voted for?<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
Methinks the politicians and public figures u abuse here 24/7 would be laughing at u now, don’t u? :lol: <o:p></o:p>

Another limp wristed attack on me by RockOn ... I'm touched. :lol:

Little do you realize , the answer to your questioning my integrity was your mistake all along , as you were mistaken thinking I voted for any piece of shit.

Feel free to modify your argument now. :clap:

Godfather
04-30-2008, 01:03 PM
Another limp wristed attack on me by RockOn ... I'm touched. :lol:

Little do you realize , the answer to your questioning my integrity was your mistake all along , as you were mistaken thinking I voted for any piece of shit.

Feel free to modify your argument now. :clap:Thats what i said :dunno:

PetreTG
04-30-2008, 01:03 PM
thats pretty much it. Petre never votes.
Rock on didn't get it. He was hoping he could malign me for voting for any of the past frauds.

Now he will modify his attack because he cannot say I was fooled into voting for one of the past scumbags

Rock on
04-30-2008, 01:09 PM
Another limp wristed attack on me by RockOn ... :clap:

I feel ur pain :lol:

U must hate me even more by now, roughneck.

PetreTG
04-30-2008, 01:16 PM
I feel ur pain :lol:

U must hate me even more by now, roughneck.
Pity is the word.

PetreTG
05-16-2008, 09:37 PM
I'd say it nails most of my very real concerns with Obama. Ones many seem to want to simply overlook that some (like myself) here keep trying to point out. :doh:

---------------------------------

BARACK HAS , . . . CHARISMA !

Date: Friday, 16 May 2008, 2:40 a.m.

KEN BLACKWELL COLUMNIST FOR THE NEW YORK SUN

The sun will darken over our great land if Obama is elected .

Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun

It's an amazing time to be alive in America . We're in a year of firsts in this Presidential election : the first viable woman candidate ; the first viable African-American candidate ; and , a candidate who is the first front-running freedom fighter over 70. The next President of America will be a first .

We won't truly be in an election of firsts , however , until we judge every candidate by where they stand . We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender.

Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field , we need to stop talking about his Race , and start talking about his Policies and his Politics .

The reality is this : Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August , unless Hillary Clinton drops out , Mr. Obama is now the frontrunner , and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at "him" .

Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy . He's not . He's the next George McGovern . And it's time people learned the facts. [McGOVERN HAD EXTREME LEFTIST VIEWS]

Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most Liberal Senator in the entire U. S. Senate .

He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy , Bernie Sanders , or Mrs. Clinton . Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record . Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes , and he lost . George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal Domestic agenda , and he lost .

Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things , and he's not behind in The Polls . Why ? Because The Press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant . Mr. Obama talks about getting past Party , getting past Red and Blue , to lead the United States of America . But let's look at the more defined strokes of " who " he is underneath this superficial, "beauty."

Start with National Security , since the President's most important Duties are as commander-in-chief . Over the Summer , Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan , a Nation armed with nuclear weapons ; meeting 'without pre-conditions' with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad , who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust ; and Kim Jong II , who is murdering and starving his people , but emphasized that the Nuclear option was 'off the table' against Terrorists - something no sitting President has ever taken 'off the Table' since we created Nuclear weapons in the 1940's.

Even Democrats who have worked in National Security condemned All of those remarks . Mr. Obama is a Foreign-policy "novice" who would put Our national security 'at risk' .

Next , consider Economic Policy . For all its faults , our Health Care system is The strongest in the World . And Free Trade agreements , created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush , have made more goods More affordable so that even people of 'modest' means can live a Life that no one imagined a Generation ago .

Yet - Mr. Obama promises to Raise Taxes on, " the rich " . How to fix Social Security ? Raise Taxes . How to fix Medicare ? Raise Taxes . Prescription drugs ? Raise Taxes . 'Free' College ? Raise Taxes . Socialize Medicine ? Raise Taxes .

His Solution to Everything is to have "government" take it over . Big Brother on steroids , funded by - Your Paycheck .

Finally , look at the Social issues . Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying , " All praise and glory to God ! " but says that Christian Leaders speaking for life and Marriage have hijacked - " hijacked " - Christianity . He is Pro-partial Birth abortion , and promises to appoint Supreme Court Justices who will Rule Any Restrictions on it UnConstitutional . He espouses the abortion Views of Margaret Sanger , one of the early advocates of Racial cleansing . His spiritual leaders endorse Homosexual marriage , and he Is moving in That direction . In Illinois , he refused to vote against a State-wide ban - "ban" - on All handguns in the State . These are radical left , Hollywood , and San Francisco Values , not Middle - America values .

The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the General Election . Mrs. Clinton is a far Tougher opponent . But Mr. Obama 'could' Win if People don't start Looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches .

His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that Those who Disagree with his Agenda for America are "hijackers or warmongers" . Uniting the Country means adopting his Liberal Agenda and abandoning Any 'conflicting' beliefs .

But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his Race . Those should Never be the Factors on which We base our Choice for President . Mr. Obama's radical Agenda sets him far Outside the American mainstream , to the Left of Mrs. Clinton .

It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama . In an election of Firsts , let's first Make Sure we elect the Person who is Qualified to Be our President in a Nuclear age during a Global, Civilizational War.
Kind of scary, wouldn't you think ?

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is :

The anti-christ will be a man , in his 40s , of MUSLIM descent , who will deceive the Nations with persuasive language , and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal.... the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and World Peace , and when he is in power , will destroy everything . Is it OBAMA ? ?

I STRONGLY URGE each one of You to re-post this as many times as you can ! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media Outlet. . . do it !

If you think I am crazy , I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the "unknown" candidate .

Joe King
05-16-2008, 09:59 PM
I've been saying it also but you have to watch who you say it to.

Joe King
05-16-2008, 10:20 PM
Actually the "religion" or "decent" of THE anti-Christ, is never revealed. Most scholars think he will be european since he will head the 10 nations and that does make sense, but I am leaning toward Obama.

TFK
05-16-2008, 10:31 PM
The article makes some excellent points, but the ending is gonna kill the message.

And where exactly in the bible does it say the Anti-Christ is a 40 year old Muslim man? I'm no bible scholar, but I don't remember anything like that written anywhere in the bible.

It's a shame that the nonsense in that article is gonna overshadow the great points made.

TFK

Azazel
05-16-2008, 10:43 PM
unintentionnaly hilarious article:doh: :doh: dumb, deceiving and false, pure shit

Punk
05-17-2008, 12:03 AM
The worst thing you can do if you want to be elected is have firm, detailed policies. The best thing you can do is have cheesy platitudes and generalised policy "visions".

I and I
05-17-2008, 12:26 AM
The Article was bullshit from the first lines when McCain is labeled a freedom fighter.

BULLSHIT

Only a stupid american could be taught to believe that a man is a die hard muslim AND attended a radical christian church for many years.:doh:

TEAM AMERICA: BELIEVES ANYTHING

Petre
TFK

You guys have sounded on the article, what do you think about McCain being a freedom fighter?:popcorn:

Tyler Durden
05-17-2008, 03:47 AM
According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is :

The anti-christ will be a man , in his 40s , of MUSLIM descent , who will deceive the Nations with persuasive language , and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal.... the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and World Peace , and when he is in power , will destroy everything . Is it OBAMA ? ?



"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it to Islam."
- Barack Hussein Bin Osama

Evil will not permanently triumph. Antichrist, vain in his blasphemy and cruel in his oppression, will more than meet his match when the three and one-half years of his moral and political debauchery are ended. The Lord will consume him "with the spirit of his mouth" and "with the brightness of his coming" (2 Thessalonians 2:8)


Glory days are almost upon us, rejoice!
:laughing:

Rock on
05-17-2008, 04:16 AM
I'd say it nails most of my very real concerns with Obama. Ones many seem to want to simply overlook that some (like myself) here keep trying to point out. :doh:

---------------------------------

BARACK HAS , . . . CHARISMA !

Date: Friday, 16 May 2008, 2:40 a.m.

KEN BLACKWELL COLUMNIST FOR THE NEW YORK SUN

The sun will darken over our great land if Obama is elected .

Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun

It's an amazing time to be alive in America . We're in a year of firsts in this Presidential election : the first viable woman candidate ; the first viable African-American candidate ; and , a candidate who is the first front-running freedom fighter over 70. The next President of America will be a first .

We won't truly be in an election of firsts , however , until we judge every candidate by where they stand . We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender.

Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field , we need to stop talking about his Race , and start talking about his Policies and his Politics .

The reality is this : Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until August , unless Hillary Clinton drops out , Mr. Obama is now the frontrunner , and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at "him" .

Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy . He's not . He's the next George McGovern . And it's time people learned the facts. [McGOVERN HAD EXTREME LEFTIST VIEWS]

Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most Liberal Senator in the entire U. S. Senate .

He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy , Bernie Sanders , or Mrs. Clinton . Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record . Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes , and he lost . George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal Domestic agenda , and he lost .

Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things , and he's not behind in The Polls . Why ? Because The Press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant . Mr. Obama talks about getting past Party , getting past Red and Blue , to lead the United States of America . But let's look at the more defined strokes of " who " he is underneath this superficial, "beauty."

Start with National Security , since the President's most important Duties are as commander-in-chief . Over the Summer , Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan , a Nation armed with nuclear weapons ; meeting 'without pre-conditions' with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad , who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust ; and Kim Jong II , who is murdering and starving his people , but emphasized that the Nuclear option was 'off the table' against Terrorists - something no sitting President has ever taken 'off the Table' since we created Nuclear weapons in the 1940's.

Even Democrats who have worked in National Security condemned All of those remarks . Mr. Obama is a Foreign-policy "novice" who would put Our national security 'at risk' .

Next , consider Economic Policy . For all its faults , our Health Care system is The strongest in the World . And Free Trade agreements , created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush , have made more goods More affordable so that even people of 'modest' means can live a Life that no one imagined a Generation ago .

Yet - Mr. Obama promises to Raise Taxes on, " the rich " . How to fix Social Security ? Raise Taxes . How to fix Medicare ? Raise Taxes . Prescription drugs ? Raise Taxes . 'Free' College ? Raise Taxes . Socialize Medicine ? Raise Taxes .

His Solution to Everything is to have "government" take it over . Big Brother on steroids , funded by - Your Paycheck .

Finally , look at the Social issues . Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying , " All praise and glory to God ! " but says that Christian Leaders speaking for life and Marriage have hijacked - " hijacked " - Christianity . He is Pro-partial Birth abortion , and promises to appoint Supreme Court Justices who will Rule Any Restrictions on it UnConstitutional . He espouses the abortion Views of Margaret Sanger , one of the early advocates of Racial cleansing . His spiritual leaders endorse Homosexual marriage , and he Is moving in That direction . In Illinois , he refused to vote against a State-wide ban - "ban" - on All handguns in the State . These are radical left , Hollywood , and San Francisco Values , not Middle - America values .

The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the General Election . Mrs. Clinton is a far Tougher opponent . But Mr. Obama 'could' Win if People don't start Looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches .

His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that Those who Disagree with his Agenda for America are "hijackers or warmongers" . Uniting the Country means adopting his Liberal Agenda and abandoning Any 'conflicting' beliefs .

But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his Race . Those should Never be the Factors on which We base our Choice for President . Mr. Obama's radical Agenda sets him far Outside the American mainstream , to the Left of Mrs. Clinton .

It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama . In an election of Firsts , let's first Make Sure we elect the Person who is Qualified to Be our President in a Nuclear age during a Global, Civilizational War.
Kind of scary, wouldn't you think ?

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is :

The anti-christ will be a man , in his 40s , of MUSLIM descent , who will deceive the Nations with persuasive language , and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal.... the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and World Peace , and when he is in power , will destroy everything . Is it OBAMA ? ?

I STRONGLY URGE each one of You to re-post this as many times as you can ! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media Outlet. . . do it !

If you think I am crazy , I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the "unknown" candidate .


I am astounded that u believe the above nonsense Petre. U r sinking faster than I thought.

Many months ago u were improving now u r regressing.

Where did it all go wrong ???

Punk
05-17-2008, 04:36 AM
Oh no doubt, that article is utterly ridiculous. All the shit about Islam, extreme left wing etc is a load of bollocks from the Republican right.

Look, Umbongo is a good orator who is playing the game like every other cunt politician. He's no saviour of the fucking world like some may believe, he's a politician just like the rest, no better nor worse really.

What's attractive to many is his freshness. Personally I hope he becomes President just to piss off every racist cunt in the USA (like half the US population, lol). A by-product is that he may even do a better job than Bush. He surely can't be worse.

My wagon is firmly hitched to Umbongo.:cheer:

PetreTG
05-17-2008, 08:47 AM
I'm guessing most of you that addressed me , have your BB and / or HTML code turned off , which is why you didn't notice the points in the article that I highlighted , to which I agree ...

Here , let me help.


Start with National Security , since the President's most important Duties are as commander-in-chief . Over the Summer , Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan , a Nation armed with nuclear weapons ; meeting 'without pre-conditions' with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad , who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust ; and Kim Jong II , who is murdering and starving his people , but emphasized that the Nuclear option was 'off the table' against Terrorists - something no sitting President has ever taken 'off the Table' since we created Nuclear weapons in the 1940's.

Even Democrats who have worked in National Security condemned All of those remarks . Mr. Obama is a Foreign-policy "novice" who would put Our national security 'at risk' .
Economic Policy . For all its faults , our Health Care system is The strongest in the World . And Free Trade agreements , created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush , have made more goods More affordable so that even people of 'modest' means can live a Life that no one imagined a Generation ago .

Yet - Mr. Obama promises to Raise Taxes on, " the rich " . How to fix Social Security ? Raise Taxes . How to fix Medicare ? Raise Taxes . Prescription drugs ? Raise Taxes . 'Free' College ? Raise Taxes . Socialize Medicine ? Raise Taxes .

His Solution to Everything is to have "government" take it over . Big Brother on steroids , funded by - Your Paycheck .
Social issues . Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying , " All praise and glory to God ! " but says that Christian Leaders speaking for life and Marriage have hijacked - " hijacked " - Christianity . He is Pro-partial Birth abortion , and promises to appoint Supreme Court Justices who will Rule Any Restrictions on it UnConstitutional . He espouses the abortion Views of Margaret Sanger , one of the early advocates of Racial cleansing . His spiritual leaders endorse Homosexual marriage , and he Is moving in That direction . In Illinois , he refused to vote against a State-wide ban - "ban" - on All handguns in the State . These are radical left , Hollywood , and San Francisco Values , not Middle - America values .

The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the General Election . Mrs. Clinton is a far Tougher opponent . But Mr. Obama 'could' Win if People don't start Looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches .
right now everyone is talking about how eloquent a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his Race . Those should Never be the Factors on which We base our Choice for President .No where in my post did I say I agreed with everything in the article ... I said


it nails most of my very real concerns with Obama:cool:

Arben
05-17-2008, 04:27 PM
Not a shocker when coming from The Sun.

I and I
05-19-2008, 12:54 AM
One of the parts that was highlighted was about our healthcare, in which it said that americas was the strongest in the world? What does that mean? Shouldn't we want a good healthcare system? what the fuck is a "strong"health care????

And as for national security, what obama will or won't do is pure guess work, on the part of his supporters and opponents.

And of course, voting in america is purely symbolic and means NOTHING in the overall scheme of things.

slystaff
05-19-2008, 02:00 AM
According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is :

The anti-christ will be a man , in his 40s , of MUSLIM descent , who will deceive the Nations with persuasive language , and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal.... the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and World Peace , and when he is in power , will destroy everything . Is it OBAMA ? ?.You mustn't try to cite Bible when I'm around unless you really know it and are representing it properly.

NO WHERE in the Bible does it refer to a specific man as THE anti-christ. That's a myth started in "The Omen" films

Of Muslim descent? Where in scripture? :lol:

Haymaker
05-19-2008, 03:35 AM
the book of revelations was for the jews in ancient time, so don't bring that anti-christ bullshit without strong proof. That being said, obama is not the answer for today's problems. he's just more trouble

Haymaker
05-19-2008, 03:48 AM
Here's my answer to that apocalypse-hysteria bullshit

Preterist view

Preterism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism) holds that the contents of Revelation constitute a prophecy of events that were fulfilled in the 1st century.<sup id="cite_ref-15" class="reference">[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#cite_note-15)</sup> Preterist interpretations generally identify either Jerusalem or Pagan Rome as the persecutor of the Church, "Babylon", the "Mother of Harlots", etc. They see Armageddon as God's judgment on the Jews, carried out by the Roman army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_the_Roman_Empire), which is identified as "the beast". Some preterists see the second half of Revelation as changing focus to Rome, its persecution of Christians, and the fall of the Roman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire). It sees the Revelation being fulfilled in 70, thereby bringing the full presence of God to dwell with all humanity. It also holds, especially in the Catholic belief, that the Emperor Nero, who blamed the Rome fire on the Christians in Rome, sparking a wave of persecution, was possibly the Antichrist mentioned in the book as his name equals 666 in Hebrew.<sup id="cite_ref-16" class="reference">[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#cite_note-16)</sup> If using the Greek spelling of Nero's name(Neron Caesar), but using the Hebrew symbols with their assigned numeric values (an ancient method known as gematria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria)), the total of the numeric values equals 666. However, a few ancient manuscripts of the Revelation say the number is 616, fifty less than the more well known numeral. A possible method to this problem lies in early translation. In the assumption that the Revelation was meant to be distributed among the early Christians, it could very well be assumed that occasionally someone may have used the Latin spelling of Nero's name(Nero Caesar), so the total value of the gematria would be 616.<sup id="cite_ref-17" class="reference">[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#cite_note-17)</sup><sup id="cite_ref-18" class="reference">[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#cite_note-18)</sup> Catholics generally believe chapters 11:19 to 12:18 are the true story of the Journey to Ephesus (and then later to Heaven) of the Virgin Mary (who they believe is the Second ark of the Covenant), and a possible metaphor for the plight of the early church.<sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]</sup> All that remains for Catholic preterists is Christ's second coming.<sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]</sup>
Another view of the book of Revelation is known as Partial Preterism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_Preterism). This view, much like modern dispensationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism), splits end-times prophecy into multiple parts. Whereas in some of the many varieties of dispensationalism, part of the Book of Revelation is literal where as other parts are figurative, Partial-Preterism does the same and holds Matthew 24 to be partially speaking of the fall of Jerusalem in 70, where as other parts are fulfilled at the final return of Christ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Coming).<sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]</sup>

PetreTG
05-19-2008, 10:14 AM
You mustn't try to cite Bible when I'm around unless you really know it and are representing it properly.

NO WHERE in the Bible does it refer to a specific man as THE anti-christ. That's a myth started in "The Omen" films

Of Muslim descent? Where in scripture? :lol:

First off ... I did not cite anything ... That was written by the articles author and I did not highlight it as a relevant point.

Secondly , I don't argue bible. That's for amutuer's that know just enough about the bible to thump it inaccurately while subsequently making themselves look foolish and acting contrary to scripture ... but I'll guarantee you this .... when ever I do cite scripture , you can be sure , I'll present a proper case for my interpretation , and I won't have to worry about anyone correcting me.

slystaff
05-19-2008, 11:45 AM
First off ... I did not cite anything ... That was written by the articles author and I did not highlight it as a relevant point.

Secondly , I don't argue bible. That's for amutuer's that know just enough about the bible to thump it inaccurately while subsequently making themselves look foolish and acting contrary to scripture ... but I'll guarantee you this .... when ever I do cite scripture , you can be sure , I'll present a proper case for my interpretation , and I won't have to worry about anyone correcting me.
Cool...I sit rebuked.

I have alot of respect for your Biblical knowledge (as well as other stuff) and that's why I was surprised that you'd have that nonsense in a post. Glad to find out that you don't share that viewpoint.

LOK
05-19-2008, 12:00 PM
a lot in that article is sad but true..

Obama has shown no substance!

I don't think he or Clinton will win and I sure hope they don't. I pay enough taxes as is!

PetreTG
05-19-2008, 12:38 PM
Cool...I sit rebuked.

I have alot of respect for your Biblical knowledge (as well as other stuff) and that's why I was surprised that you'd have that nonsense in a post. Glad to find out that you don't share that viewpoint.

OK then ... :clap:

PetreTG
05-19-2008, 12:47 PM
a lot in that article is sad but true..

Obama has shown no substance!

I don't think he or Clinton will win and I sure hope they don't. I pay enough taxes as is!

This is my problem with Obama as well , no substance.

And what he does put forth in various policies and ideas ... he's wrong on just about everything.

If Obama had the knowledge and history of Paul , and was determined to make the very real changes Paul proposed , I'd be a strong supporter.

But what I see is a phony, smooth talking , do nothing or do the wrong thing , shyster.

And for any of you religiously inclined here ... (Like 2 of his biggest supporters) ...

I suggest you look up Obama's stance on partial birth abortion and more importantly , his history on it. It's appalling , and I say this as someone neither for nor against abortion under the right circumstances.

I and I
05-19-2008, 12:57 PM
This is my problem with Obama as well , no substance.

And what he does put forth in various policies and ideas ... he's wrong on just about everything.

If Obama had the knowledge and history of Paul , and was determined to make the very real changes Paul proposed , I'd be a strong supporter.

But what I see is a phony, smooth talking , do nothing or do the wrong thing , shyster.

And for any of you religiously inclined here ... (Like 2 of his biggest supporters) ...

I suggest you look up Obama's stance on partial birth abortion and more importantly , his history on it. It's appalling , and I say this as someone neither for nor against abortion under the right circumstances.


So you believe elections count for something now?

PetreTG
05-19-2008, 01:09 PM
So you believe elections count for something now?

Nope ... it's all a farce.

Tyler Durden
05-20-2008, 01:02 AM
First off ... I did not cite anything ... That was written by the articles author and I did not highlight it as a relevant point.

Secondly , I don't argue bible. That's for amutuer's that know just enough about the bible to thump it inaccurately while subsequently making themselves look foolish and acting contrary to scripture ... but I'll guarantee you this .... when ever I do cite scripture , you can be sure , I'll present a proper case for my interpretation , and I won't have to worry about anyone correcting me.

You never presented a proper case for prophecy, and you were corrected on this by several people because it boils down to what you want to believe :lol:

Tyler Durden
05-20-2008, 01:05 AM
I pay enough taxes as is!

So how much will it "change"?

LOK
05-20-2008, 08:40 AM
So how much will it "change"?


lol

CHANGE

:lol:

it will change for sure.. Obama and clinton both will repeal the bushy tax cuts and on top of that raise taxes to pay for their health care plans

PetreTG
05-20-2008, 08:54 AM
You never presented a proper case for prophecy, and you were corrected on this by several people because it boils down to what you want to believe :lol:

Presenting a proper case doesn't mean there wouldn't be opposition. And I certainly was never corrected. I was given an opposing opinion ... one that has in fact been proven wrong , but foolish pride prevents those that cling to their theory from seeing the truth.

Tyler Durden
05-20-2008, 11:38 PM
Presenting a proper case doesn't mean there wouldn't be opposition. And I certainly was never corrected. I was given an opposing opinion ... one that has in fact been proven wrong , but foolish pride prevents those that cling to their theory from seeing the truth.

You were corrected in that it is your interpretation and has not been fullfilled, nothing to do with any facts or truth, THAT is a fact :clap:

Tyler Durden
05-20-2008, 11:40 PM
lol

CHANGE

:lol:

it will change for sure.. Obama and clinton both will repeal the bushy tax cuts and on top of that raise taxes to pay for their health care plans

OK, how much "change" will that entail? Will I actually notice it? By how much if I notice it, will it be?

Godfather
05-21-2008, 01:51 AM
OK, how much "change" will that entail? Will I actually notice it? By how much if I notice it, will it be?
Snooty bitch:flip:

PetreTG
05-21-2008, 10:03 AM
You were corrected in that it is your interpretation and has not been fullfilled, nothing to do with any facts or truth, THAT is a fact :clap:

Prophesy is always open to interpretation until clearly fulfilled ... and in fact I presented clear cut reason why it could not have been. That is a fact.

Tyler Durden
05-22-2008, 12:05 AM
Prophesy is always open to interpretation until clearly fulfilled ... and in fact I presented clear cut reason why it could not have been. That is a fact.

Sorry I missed it, you posted a new translation from Hebrew text that says America 2015? :eek:

PetreTG
05-30-2008, 08:48 PM
RUN MOTHER FUCKER RUN !!!!

:lol:


The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. He [The OBAMANATION now referred to as Antichrist] will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he [Antichrist] will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he [Antichrist] will set up an OBAMAnation that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him [Antichrist]

His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice.

Then they will set up the OBAMAnation that causes desolation.

With flattery (i.e. smooth talkin shystin) he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him. Those who are wise will instruct many

"The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all
==============
The Roof ... THE ROOF .... THE ROOF IS ON FIRE ... WE DON'T NEED NO WATER LET THE MOTHER FUCKER BURN!

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TFK
05-30-2008, 08:52 PM
C'mon Petre. I know Obama is a horrible choice for President and will make bad things much worse, but The Anti-Christ?


Gimme a break.


TFK

PetreTG
05-30-2008, 08:56 PM
C'mon Petre. I know Obama is a horrible choice for President and will make bad things much worse, but The Anti-Christ?


Gimme a break.


TFK

It's a joke TFK ... although now that you mention it ... :stir:

Joe King
05-30-2008, 09:03 PM
Plausible IMO.

PetreTG
05-30-2008, 09:11 PM
Plausible IMO.

Yes ... it is , isn't it ? :crafty:

ILLUMINATI
05-30-2008, 09:14 PM
Unless McCain drops dead and Ron paul take his place....i'm voting for OBAMA..for NO OTHER reason than he is BLACK....there i said it...something different..yeah he might be the anti-christ :pray:...he might bring the country down..but so what.....

Communist mass murderer che guevara :notallthere::rolleyes: Guevara was a politician just like any of these assholes in congress or the senate..only difference was that he had the balls/guts to go do the killing himself...

HairysonFord
05-31-2008, 01:55 AM
I think Obama is the Anti-Christ. That is why I plan on retiring early in his adminstratiuon, have a lifetime prescription of viagra, cut out coupons fro the Bunny Ranch, and sit on the sidelines with a sore pecker as the world goes to Hell. :lol:

Nobleart
05-31-2008, 02:21 AM
This black man really scares you Petre. OMG he's eloquent and black. He must be the anti-christ! :lol:

Your head would have exploded if you were around during the JFK era. Catholic, eloquent, liberal, beginning of a long war and in the middle of a nuclear crisis.


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Joe King
05-31-2008, 02:25 AM
This black man really scares you Petre. OMG he's eloquent and black. He must be the anti-christ! :lol:

Your head would have exploded if you were around during the JFK era. Catholic, eloquent, liberal, beginning of a long war and in the middle of a nuclear crisis.


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Maybe for a little while. The CIA or Oswald cut his time short. We'll see what happens here. All I know is if he's president and brokers a peace deal between Israel and the Middle East, it's time to:pray:

Nobleart
05-31-2008, 02:31 AM
Maybe for a little while. The CIA or Oswald cut his time short. We'll see what happens here. All I know is if he's president and brokers a peace deal between Israel and the Middle East, it's time to:pray:



Joe, are you the reason all these Christian Dating Sites have ads all over FightBeat?

Tyler Durden
05-31-2008, 02:49 AM
Pay dirt! Petre actually gave a time frame to prophecy which he can go ahead and say is his prediction :shit:

Time for a sig bet :crafty:

PetreTG
05-31-2008, 08:17 AM
This black man really scares you Petre. OMG he's eloquent and black. He must be the anti-christ! :lol:

Your head would have exploded if you were around during the JFK era. Catholic, eloquent, liberal, beginning of a long war and in the middle of a nuclear crisis.


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My wifes father was a certified genius , most of his kids are also. One of his daughters is a high profile financial executive that travels the world and is seen regularly on MSNBC , we also have several pictures of him with both JFK and MLK.

Eloquent and black ??? That should be the norm in my book , so if you think that's the problem I have with Obama , think again.

BtW ... whenever Obama isn't working off a script ... he's a one man gaffe machine that thinks there's 57 states , tells us his lies like his Grandfather liberating Auschwitz :doh:

No ... I'm much more concerned with the sly deception being used by Obama , and his seemingly mesmerizing hold that he has on his blind followers who seem oblivious to his glaring flaws.

atomicdOGg34
05-31-2008, 06:05 PM
ridiculous

so far the bible bangers have been 0 for eternity when guessing the antichrist, i could probably name 5 right now that were wrongly guessed as the antichrist

pathetic

Joe King
05-31-2008, 06:47 PM
ridiculous

so far the bible bangers have been 0 for eternity when guessing the antichrist, i could probably name 5 right now that were wrongly guessed as the antichrist

pathetic


When it happens, we'll all know who it will be. The key is to be on the lookout for it.

atomicdOGg34
05-31-2008, 06:53 PM
When it happens, we'll all know who it will be. The key is to be on the lookout for it.

sure

you keep the lookout for me

go away and await the rapture

lb 4 lb
05-31-2008, 08:11 PM
To believe in the anti- christ is to believe in the bible. Seems more of you arguging the anti christ who don't even seem to believe in the bible.

Tyler Durden
06-01-2008, 12:46 AM
To believe in the anti- christ is to believe in the bible. Seems more of you arguging the anti christ who don't even seem to believe in the bible.

Anti-Christ can be anyone who doesn't believe in Christ....

Nobleart
06-01-2008, 01:15 AM
When it happens, we'll all know who it will be. The key is to be on the lookout for it.


Why should we be on the lookout for it? It's prophecy, if it's gonna happen it's gonna happen...................isn't it? :dunno:

Tyler Durden
06-01-2008, 01:19 AM
Why should we be on the lookout for it? It's prophecy, if it's gonna happen it's gonna happen...................isn't it? :dunno:

He's saying you need to be paranoid and use all your energy worrying about the bottom falling out because this is highly productive, get with the program :warning:

Nobleart
06-01-2008, 01:21 AM
He's saying you need to be paranoid and use all your energy worrying about the bottom falling out because this is highly productive, get with the program :warning:


Oh, ok. Where do I sign up? I got to catch up on some good ol' fashioned persecutin'.

The anti-christ could be anywhere. :warning:

Tyler Durden
06-01-2008, 01:32 AM
Oh, ok. Where do I sign up? I got to catch up on some good ol' fashioned persecutin'.

The anti-christ could be anywhere. :warning:

Just sell everything and cash it in, God is accepting Gold currency only :dunno:

Oh, and don't forget to stock up on water and canned goods :pray:

It could be your neighbor, we should start there and work down the street.....

Nobleart
06-01-2008, 02:00 AM
Just sell everything and cash it in, God is accepting Gold currency only :dunno:

Oh, and don't forget to stock up on water and canned goods :pray:

It could be your neighbor, we should start there and work down the street.....


My neighbor has Alzheimers. Maybe he's got the devil in him. :pray:

PetreTG
06-01-2008, 04:52 PM
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PetreTG
06-02-2008, 09:58 AM
:doh:

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PetreTG
06-02-2008, 10:05 AM
And a perfect summation of the average mentality of an Obama supporter.

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:pray: :pray: :pray: :pray::pray:

whiskey
06-02-2008, 10:10 AM
http://www.paulaldrich.com/bin/bio.htm



"But more than just a great entertainer, Paul Aldrich is a communicator of life-changing truth - the truth of Jesus Christ."

"After high school, I became a volunteer Young Life leader and began performing skits, leading songs, and using humor to help teach Bible lessons to teens. This turned out to be the foundation for what I do now with people of all ages - using humor and music as vehicles to touch hearts with the good news of Jesus Christ."



:lol::crying::lol:

PetreTG
06-02-2008, 10:12 AM
http://www.paulaldrich.com/bin/bio.htm



"But more than just a great entertainer, Paul Aldrich is a communicator of life-changing truth - the truth of Jesus Christ."

"After high school, I became a volunteer Young Life leader and began performing skits, leading songs, and using humor to help teach Bible lessons to teens. This turned out to be the foundation for what I do now with people of all ages - using humor and music as vehicles to touch hearts with the good news of Jesus Christ."



:lol::crying::lol:


Yep ... Obama the Saviour of America!!! :bears:

PetreTG
06-02-2008, 11:44 AM
:pray: :pray::pray:
http://thestar.com.my/archives/2008/6/1/worldupdates/2008-06-01T182126Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNP_1_India-338506-1-pic0.jpg

:pray::pray::pray::pray:

Arben
06-02-2008, 02:41 PM
The IQ of these threads just keep dropping and dropping. I miss the old ObamaNATION thread. At least people discussed real issues, and not the same fucking priest issue over and over again.

Baron
06-02-2008, 03:12 PM
This whole line of attack against Obama is far from convincing. Do the people exploiting this angle really believe that people won't vote for Obama because his supporters are supposedly dumb? I really doubt people will think "Obama's supporters are dumb, if I vote for him that'll make me dumb, I'll vote for McCain, his supporters are so intelligent, that'll make me intelligent".

The common man isn't too interested in politics, isn't versed in economics and foreign affairs, therefore, whether he votes for McCain or Obama doesn't matter, he votes for whoever he votes because he feels the guy will represent his opinions better, no matter how uninformed they are.

atomicdOGg34
06-02-2008, 05:41 PM
The IQ of these threads just keep dropping and dropping. I miss the old ObamaNATION thread. At least people discussed real issues, and not the same fucking priest issue over and over again.

want to discuss healthcare?

phonetap
06-02-2008, 05:54 PM
petre's obsession with obama is becoming disturbing. :notallthere:

Tyler Durden
06-03-2008, 12:01 AM
petre's obsession with obama is becoming disturbing. :notallthere::atu:

:laughing:

....oh the irony.

PetreTG
06-03-2008, 11:45 AM
:atu:

:laughing:

....oh the irony.

Isn't it though ?

See what Phonytap doesn't realize is , I'm trying to cure the Obamanites like himself of their crazy and disturbing love affair with that phony Obama.

But when I see how easily fools rush in , it makes it easy to understand why the country is being so easily led down the path of destruction.

What I find most ironic , is Phonytap's hypocrisy as a supposedly religious guy , that he'd so easily idolize an obvious sham. Just more proof of the lack of truth and power of religion in the form of anything that can be attributed to good.

That seemingly no supporter of Obama's ... including his most staunch , can point out anything good he's done , doing or will do ... is a testiment to the mass insanity that is the follower's of the Obamanation that will cause Desolation.

TFK
06-03-2008, 11:54 AM
Isn't it though ?

See what Phonytap doesn't realize is , I'm trying to cure the Obamanites like himself of their crazy and disturbing love affair with that phony Obama.




The only way you'll be able to do that is if you some how find out Obama isn't actually black, he's Sicilian.

TFK