The Daily Obamanation .... ALL ROLLED INTO ONE

[PetreTG]

You go girl... uh Boys ... :cheer:

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[Rock on]

This is not entertaining.

Anyway, what a day this is, dont u agree? :stir:

[PetreTG]

This is not entertaining.

Anyway, what a day this is, dont u agree? :stir:

The truth usually hurts more than entertains. :bears:

[PetreTG]

The only way you'll be able to do that is if you some how find out Obama isn't actually black, he's Sicilian.

TFK

:nono:

http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/1007/obamafuckyouImage1.jpg

[Arben]

want to discuss healthcare?
That's pretty annoying too when you consider that there are people on this forum who are completely incapable of even taking in an opposing viewpoint.

[Arben]

:nono:

http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/1007/obamafuckyouImage1.jpg
Classy

[PetreTG]

Under constitutional law Obama may not be qualified to be president of the USA , even though he was born in Hawaii.

Like McCain had to , he may have to prove he is eligible , and that could end up being a big NEGATIVE as , it would seem , he fails the actual criteria based on his mother's length of citizenship and his father's total lack there of.

[slystaff]

Under constitutional law Obama may not be qualified to be president of the USA , even though he was born in Hawaii.

Like McCain had to , he may have to prove he is eligible , and that could end up being a big NEGATIVE as , it would seem , he fails the actual criteria based on his mother's length of citizenship and his father's total lack there of.
What's the actual law? Can you provide a link to it?

I mean the dude was BORN in the US of A...how much more American does he need to be? :lol:

[Arben]

I didn't know there was any more criteria besides having to be born in the USA.

This would be very interesting if it were true.

But it's probably more BS coming from Republican blog "writers."

[Trplsec]

What's the actual law? Can you provide a link to it?

I mean the dude was BORN in the US of A...how much more American does he need to be? :lol:


The law is quite simple. Obama is a natural born US citizen. Any questioning is just a political ploy to diminish his standing.

It doesn't matter if Obama's dad was from Mars. Obama was born in the US and is automatically a US citizen.

[Arben]

I think it's just a ploy by stupid people to take advantage of stupider people.

Just like how they say, "Oh, he's muslim. His dad was. He swore in on the Koran."

Obama had to go on the record and refute it, yet there's some idiots out there that think he is.

This is just a stupid ploy to make stupid people think he's un-american.

[Anthony]

:notallthere:

[HairysonFord]

To be President, one must be 35 years of age, a native citizen, and have resided for at least 14 years in the US (exceptions for military and govt. posts).If you meet those qualifications, you can be elected. Even retarded Obama supporters. :notallthere:

[PetreTG]

Here is the actual law for during the time Obama was born ... Unless the changes in law affect those born before , retroactively changing previous laws to benefit those born during the previous laws criteria , it appears , Obama would not actually be considered a "natural born" citizen.
From the website Findlaw.com

Under the category ,
U.S. Citizenship by Birth or Through Parents

<hr id="title_b" class="title_b yui-g"> Birth to U.S. Citizen Parents

Following is a brief history of the citizenship laws.4. (From) December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986 (To be considered a natural born citizen of the USA) (note: Barack was born in 1961)

If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it.

If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship. If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules apply if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time. If legitimation occurred after November 14, 1986, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated in writing that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday.

============================

Obama was born to Stanley Ann Dunham when she was 18. Obama's father was not a US citizen and Stanley Ann Dunham did not live in the USA for 5 years after the age of 16.


For Barack Obama to have been a legal natural born US Citizen ACCORDING TO THE LAW for that time period ... she's have had to have been 21 to have Obama and make him a Natural Born Citizen.


To be President of the USA .... you MUST be a Natural Born Citizen which is why McCains citizenship was being questioned ... Even though his parents were both citizens ... because he was born on a military base in Panama.

:warning:

[PetreTG]

ARTICLE II - SECTION 1 Paragraph 5 of the United States Constitution

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

[PetreTG]

:warning:

[Buddy Rydell]

That's one way to distill the issue down to its barest essence. Good job, Hairy! :lol:

[Hanz]

I hope Obama brings war on the media.

[Nobleart]

I believe we should change the law to state only descendants of the original Pilgrims are allowed to run for President Of The United States.

:bears:

[Buddy Rydell]

It's really a bitch move. This isn't Henry Kissinger. Barack is a fellow who was born in the U.S. PERIOD. Any attempt to detract from that is really an attempt to muddy the waters and sow dissent in the ranks of Obama voters.

[Baron]

I see that the dirty work continues...

[Trplsec]

Petre, the 14th Amendment and several subsequent Supreme Court rulings cover the case with Obama far more clearly.

It says:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

And the US Federal Law code reinforces this in Section 1401 with:


The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;



End of story. End of debate. Now go back to posting things you have a clue about like aliens, conspiracies or the price of gold.

[Nobleart]

Petre, the 14th Amendment and several subsequent Supreme Court rulings cover the case with Obama far more clearly.

It says:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

And the US Federal Law code reinforces this in Section 1401 with:




End of story. End of debate. Now go back to posting things you have a clue about like aliens, conspiracies or the price of gold.



For some reason Petre is reasoning that the law as written 45 years ago when Obama was born, applys now.

Which by that logic means a women born before 1973 does not have the right to get an abortion.

I think that's what he's saying (or posting but not really saying), (or posting and saying but not really believing), (or just stirring up shit), (or not really having an opinion, but wanting to throw the knowledge out to the unkempt masses).......................................or, or, or, or, or.................

I don't really know with Petre sometimes.

:notallthere:

[Trplsec]

For some reason Petre is reasoning that the law as written 45 years ago when Obama was born, applys now.

Which by that logic means a women born before 1973 does not have the right to get an abortion.

I think that's what he's saying (or posting but not really saying), (or posting and saying but not really believing), (or just stirring up shit), (or not really having an opinion, but wanting to throw the knowledge out to the unkempt masses).......................................or, or, or, or, or.................

I don't really know with Petre sometimes.

:notallthere:


Actually Petre is hung up on the law regarding citizenship via parents. Obama is really not affected by that since he was actually born on US soil.

[Anthony]

Here is the actual law for during the time Obama was born ... Unless the changes in law affect those born before , retroactively changing previous laws to benefit those born during the previous laws criteria , it appears , Obama would not actually be considered a "natural born" citizen.
From the website Findlaw.com

Under the category ,
U.S. Citizenship by Birth or Through Parents


<HR class="title_b yui-g" id=title_b>Birth to U.S. Citizen Parents

Following is a brief history of the citizenship laws.4. (From) December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986 (To be considered a natural born citizen of the USA) (note: Barack was born in 1961)

If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it.

If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship. If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules apply if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time. If legitimation occurred after November 14, 1986, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated in writing that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday.

============================

Obama was born to Stanley Ann Dunham when she was 18. Obama's father was not a US citizen and Stanley Ann Dunham did not live in the USA for 5 years after the age of 16.


For Barack Obama to have been a legal natural born US Citizen ACCORDING TO THE LAW for that time period ... she's have had to have been 21 to have Obama and make him a Natural Born Citizen.


To be President of the USA .... you MUST be a Natural Born Citizen which is why McCains citizenship was being questioned ... Even though his parents were both citizens ... because he was born on a military base in Panama.

:warning:
Get the fuck out of here with that shit

[Trplsec]

Get the fuck out of here with that shit


By the way, if you follow Petre's logic on this and apply it to children of slaves and to their children and so on, then no descendents of slaves in the US would be citizens.

Luckily the 14th Amendment cleared that little issue up.

[PetreTG]

This is a simple matter of actual citizenship ... not ongoing law.

So what people here are saying .... and I'm not arguing it one way or the other , though a good case could be made in a court of law. Much stronger than that which was brought up against McCain ... that Obama is not under the law , a US citizen and the change in the law 20 years later was not retroactive.

IF that's the case ... when did Obama become a citizen and was he ever considered NATURAL BORN under the laws of the USA ?

According to the law of the time ... does anyone dispute , HE DID NOT MEET THE CRITERIA?

[PetreTG]

By the way, if you follow Petre's logic on this and apply it to children of slaves and to their children and so on, then no descendents of slaves in the US would be citizens.

Luckily the 14th Amendment cleared that little issue up.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

[PetreTG]

Get the fuck out of here with that shit

Good argument .... now point out what's wrong.

[Anthony]

Good argument .... now point out what's wrong.
I'll point it out in November

[PetreTG]

I'll point it out in November

That's what I figured ... :bears:

[Arben]

I think Godfather puts forth a very valid, well researched, and wonderfully put together argument.

[Trplsec]

This is a simple matter of actual citizenship ... not ongoing law.

So what people here are saying .... and I'm not arguing it one way or the other , though a good case could be made in a court of law. Much stronger than that which was brought up against McCain ... that Obama is not under the law , a US citizen and the change in the law 20 years later was not retroactive.

IF that's the case ... when did Obama become a citizen and was he ever considered NATURAL BORN under the laws of the USA ?

According to the law of the time ... does anyone dispute , HE DID NOT MEET THE CRITERIA?

Petre, according to the laws of the United States, which I quoted, Obama was a US citizen the second he was born on US soil.

This isn't a new law or amendment.

[PetreTG]

Petre, according to the laws of the United States, which I quoted, Obama was a US citizen the second he was born on US soil.

This isn't a new law or amendment.

OK ... I see what you're saying and I don't disagree.

My point was (See thread title) , Obama may need to prove it ... same as McCain had to.

The other half of this story ... speculates that Obama may not have actually been born in Hawaii as claimed , but rather outside the USA . They failed to produce a birth certificate for a while , only now do they have a barely legible "copy" on "Fight the Smears" where other blatant lies have already been found.

That sight claims
Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian (http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/christian)


His own brother tells a different story.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Static/Binaries/Article/obamamalikholdaphotoofhisbro424_0.jpg

[Arben]

Oh my god! A politician wearing the traditional garments of his family and their region? It can't be!

I've worn traditional albanian clothes that are very muslim influenced. Does that make me a muslim? I've worn traditional albanian clothes that have ties to traditional balkan orthodox catholic clothing. Does that make me an Orthodox Catholic?

[phonetap]

pastre has completely lost it...soon pastre will be getting all of his news information from the national enquirer and the globe magazine:

look pastre obama was abandoned by his mother twice: :kidcool:

http://www.globemagazine.com/

http://www.globemagazine.com/media/2008-25.jpg

[PetreTG]

I guess none of you also believe Obama had an alias name of Barry Soetoro or was listed as such , as a citizen of Indonesia, either.

[PetreTG]

pastre has completely lost it...soon pastre will be getting all of his news information from the national enquirer and the globe magazine:

look pastre obama was abandoned by his mother twice: :kidcool:

http://www.globemagazine.com/

http://www.globemagazine.com/media/2008-25.jpg

I quoted OBAMA's own ANTI SMEAR SIGHT which is proving to be about as credible as the GLOBE ... So ... Good analogy! :lol:

[I and I]

Did Obama appear regularly on radio programs of enemies of the U.S. during a war????

NOPE Good ole McCain did. :hammert:

[Trplsec]

Did Obama appear regularly on radio programs of enemies of the U.S. during a war????

NOPE Good ole McCain did. :hammert:


You might also want to add that McCain did so against his will while serving 7 years as a POW after being shot down while flying one of several combat missions over Vietnam while in the service of his country.

I don't know, all those little details just seem important to me.

[Trplsec]

OK ... I see what you're saying and I don't disagree.

My point was (See thread title) , Obama may need to prove it ... same as McCain had to.

The other half of this story ... speculates that Obama may not have actually been born in Hawaii as claimed , but rather outside the USA . They failed to produce a birth certificate for a while , only now do they have a barely legible "copy" on "Fight the Smears" where other blatant lies have already been found.

That sight claims
Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian (http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/christian)


His own brother tells a different story.



Is there any validity to that claim? That would cool to see documentation on.

[Baron]

You might also want to add that McCain did so against his will while serving 7 years as a POW after being shot down while flying one of several combat missions over Vietnam while in the service of his country.

I don't know, all those little details just seem important to me.

That's the keyword here.

[Trplsec]

That's the keyword here.


yep.. What IandI tends to forget is that McCain was being held against his will. It's not like he took a commercial flight to Vietnam just to spill information.

And I would absolutely bet my life that a squirmy character like IandI would sell out his own mother if he was ever a POW.

[TFK]

yep.. What IandI tends to forget is that McCain was being held against his will. It's not like he took a commercial flight to Vietnam just to spill information.

And I would absolutely bet my life that a squirmy character like IandI would sell out his own mother if he was ever a POW.


He'd sell out his own mother just to get some attention on this message board.

TFK

[PetreTG]

Did Obama appear regularly on radio programs of enemies of the U.S. during a war????

NOPE Good ole McCain did. :hammert:

I don't see anyone cheering for McCain. Just seems to me there's some questions that may need addressing.

[Arben]

I don't see anyone cheering for McCain. Just seems to me there's some questions that may need addressing.
If you and your kind the only ones asking these questions, then they really don't need addressing.

[Buddy Rydell]

I guess none of you also believe Obama had an alias name of Barry Soetoro or was listed as such , as a citizen of Indonesia, either.


That has nothing to do with whether Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen.

It sounds pretty funny though. :lol:

[atomicdOGg34]

birthright citizenship = :shit:

it contributes heavily to the illegal immigration problem

[PetreTG]

That has nothing to do with whether Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen.

It sounds pretty funny though. :lol:

I never said it did directly ...

[slystaff]

I believe we should change the law to state only descendants of the original Pilgrims are allowed to run for President Of The United States.

:bears::lol:

[boxerpuncher]

To be President, one must be 35 years of age, a native citizen, and have resided for at least 14 years in the US (exceptions for military and govt. posts).If you meet those qualifications, you can be elected. Even retarded Obama supporters. :notallthere:Who's the real mental midget? Me thinks its the wonk so quick to believe the batch of lies and innuendos he's been fed for the last few months.

[slystaff]

Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian (http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/christian)


His own brother tells a different story.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Static/Binaries/Article/obamamalikholdaphotoofhisbro424_0.jpg
:laughing:..I have to say PetreTG...you're one of the best posters here!

[atomicdOGg34]

all i hafta say about obama is "AIPAC"

[PetreTG]

Obama is a fraud , and you all have been bamboozled by your man. He's using you blind fools to get votes and he has no intention of keeping any promises , big or small ...

The Obamanites , a breed of blind human beings when it comes to human nature will chalk this up to playing politics. But it's just another in a looong series of lies , deceptions and manipulation as he shysters his way to the top.

This thread will now be the new Daily Obamanation ... it will serve as record to all the lies the Obamanites turned their eyes from and the excuses his supporters here gave , if they're capable of giving any.

On an added note , I find it ironic that some of the Obama supporters here , the most vocal , are also religious. But it makes sense , because they are truly walking by faith and not by sight when it comes to their saviour Obama.

This article below to start off this thread only serves as evidence that Obama is not a man of his word. He sells his bullshit, then does whatever he wants with no intentions of ever being honest.

For the record ... I don't like McCain any better and the only way REAL change comes is when people wake up to the liars , and vote for an honest man that truly will be for the people. See ... if everyone that voted for the "lesser evil" instead voted for someone other ... we might actually get CHANGE.

As it looks , that won't be happening any time soon. As you've all been suckered into believing there's only 2 choices ... in actuality , you're being bought and Obama has just made a move to buy the most hoes.

Having said that ... the comment from the McCain camp at the end of the article nails it.
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Obama to Break Promise, Opt Out of Public Financing for General Election

June 19, 2008 8:58 AM
<!-- Ed OKeefe
--> In a web video to supporters (https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/bignews?source=20080619_PF_ND_G) -- "the people who built this movement from the bottom up" -- Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, announced this morning that he will not enter into the public financing system, despite a previous pledge to do so.

"We've made the decision not to participate in the public financing system for the general election," Obama says in the video, blaming it on the need to combat Republicans, saying "we face opponents who’ve become masters at gaming this broken system. John McCain’s campaign and the Republican National Committee are fueled by contributions from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs. And we’ve already seen that he’s not going to stop the smears and attacks from his allies running so-called 527 groups, who will spend millions and millions of dollars in unlimited donations."
In November 2007, Obama answered "Yes" to Common Cause (http://www.commoncause.org/atf/cf/%7Bfb3c17e2-cdd1-4df6-92be-bd4429893665%7D/MDNNATIONALRELEASE.PDF) when asked "If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system?"

Obama wrote: "In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election. My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election. The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

Not so "aggressively," according to the McCain campaign, which argues that Obama did not discuss this or try to negotiate at all with the McCain campaign, despite writing that he would "aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."
The Obama campaign disputes this. Obama campaign counsel Bob Bauer met with McCain campaign counsel Trevor Potter and, according to Obama spox Bill Burton, Potter "immediately made it clear there was no basis for further discussion," that they weren't interested in any sort of agreement. "McCain and the RNC had spent months raising and spending money for the general election, and their basic attitude was 'You'll catch up,'" Burton says, suggesting that the Republicans were also turning a blind eye to the activities of 527s.
In April Obama seemed to be preparing an argument to opt out, as we noted at the time (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obama-prepares.html).

"We have created a parallel public financing system where the American people decide if they want to support a campaign they can get on the Internet and finance it, and they will have as much access and influence over the course and direction of our campaign that has traditionally been reserved for the wealthy and the powerful," Obama said at the time.
Today he said something similar, telling supporters, "Instead of forcing us to rely on millions from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs, you’ve fueled this campaign with donations of $5, $10, $20, whatever you can afford. And because you did, we’ve built a grassroots movement of over 1.5 million Americans. ...You’ve already changed the way campaigns are funded because you know that’s the only way we can truly change how Washington works."
Obama said, "I’m asking you to try to do something that’s never been done before. Declare our independence from a broken system, and run the type of campaign that reflects the grassroots values that have already changed our politics and brought us this far."
Declaring independence from a "broken system" by breaking a promise. Obama hopes you'll care more about the former than the latter.

- jpt
UPDATE: McCain campaign communications director Jill Hazelbaker emails: “Today, Barack Obama has revealed himself to be just another typical politician who will do and say whatever is most expedient for Barack Obama. The true test of a candidate for President is whether he will stand on principle and keep his word to the American people. Barack Obama has failed that test today, and his reversal of his promise to participate in the public finance system undermines his call for a new type of politics. Barack Obama is now the first presidential candidate since Watergate to run a campaign entirely on private funds. This decision will have far-reaching and extraordinary consequences that will weaken and undermine the public financing system.”

[PetreTG]

In reference to the above ... here is what Obama said BEFORE ... when he was trying to get the nomination ...
=============================
QUESTION:
If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private
funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system?

OBAMA'S ANSWER:
Yes. I have been a long-time advocate for public financing of campaigns
combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of
moneyed special interests. I introduced public financing legislation in the Illinois State
Senate, and am the only 2008 candidate to have sponsored Senator Russ Feingold’s (DWI)
bill to reform the presidential public financing system. In February 2007, I proposed
a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election.
My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return
excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general
election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they
would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election.
The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (r-
AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic
nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to
preserve a publicly financed general election.

------------

Question :
If elected President, would you support and work to enact legislation creating a voluntary
public financing system for congressional candidates?

OBAMA:
Yes. I am a cosponsor of the Fair Elections Now Act because I believe it
imperative that we get big money out of the political process. That’s why I have also
made the pledge that my campaign will not accept money from special interest PACs or
registered federal lobbyists.

==============
Question :
Do you believe that Section 527 groups which are organized primarily to affect federal
elections should be required by the Federal Election Commission and/or Congress to
comply with the campaign finance laws that apply to all other candidate, party and
political committees whose goal is to influence federal elections?

OBAMA:
Yes.

==============

OBAMA

http://www.math.vanderbilt.edu/%7Eugsem/pinocchio.PNG

[Barristan]

Obama would be a fool to go for public financing and Barack ain't no fool! Mccain ain't taking public financing either so its a non issue.

[PetreTG]

Obama would be a fool to go for public financing and Barack ain't no fool! Mccain ain't taking public financing either so its a non issue.

So then you admit he's a liar.

[slystaff]

McCain was FOR amnesty and now because it suits his political purposes he's claiming to be tough on immigration. blah blah blah. Politicians are all the same.

No point in singling out Barack....you know as well as I then when you vote you vote for the lesser of two evils.

[TFK]

McCain was FOR amnesty and now because it suits his political purposes he's claiming to be tough on immigration. blah blah blah. Politicians are all the same.

No point in singling out Barack....you know as well as I then when you vote you vote for the lesser of two evils.



But I thought Obama was different? Where is the 'change' if Obama is the same as the rest?


TFK

[Hanz]

But I thought Obama was different? Where is the 'change' if Obama is the same as the rest?


TFK

Well....he 'looks' different than the rest. So there's the change. :laughing:

[PetreTG]

McCain was FOR amnesty and now because it suits his political purposes he's claiming to be tough on immigration. blah blah blah. Politicians are all the same.

No point in singling out Barack....you know as well as I then when you vote you vote for the lesser of two evils.

You mean Obama isn't Change you can believe in? HOPE for the future?

He's another lying politician like McCain wrapped up in a biracial suit with a big phony smile and the ability to con better than the other guy ?

DAMN ... That was easy. Glad we can see him for what he really is.

Maybe you're not a blind Obamanite after all Sly! :bears:

[slystaff]

What I'm saying is don't hate the player, hate the game.

To get ahead in politics you have to play the game somewhat.

[TFK]

What I'm saying is don't hate the player, hate the game.

To get ahead in politics you have to play the game somewhat.

So I guess getting the gullible to believe you stand for change and hope is just playing the game.

Consider yourself 'played'.


TFK

[Nobleart]

So I guess getting the gullible to believe you stand for change and hope is just playing the game.

Consider yourself 'played'.


TFK


You have to get yourself in a position of power before you can change shit. That seems obvious to me.

I'd like to see a list of all the wonderful changes Ron Paul has brought to the American people during his brilliant career.

[Nobleart]

I don't quite get it. Are you guys pissed that Obama's not just going to "throw" the election?

:lol:


"Well, he lost by a landslide, but goddamn it he's a man of his word and I respect him all the more for it." :bears:




Meanwhile, Hillary has the machine rolling for 2012.....................all aboard!!!

[Barristan]

I don't quite get it. Are you guys pissed that Obama's not just going to "throw" the election?

:lol:


"Well, he lost by a landslide, but goddamn it he's a man of his word and I respect him all the more for it." :bears:




Meanwhile, Hillary has the machine rolling for 2012.....................all aboard!!!

Once again Nobleart is the voice of sanity in this cesspool of a messageboard :bears:

[PetreTG]

So I guess getting the gullible to believe you stand for change and hope is just playing the game.

Consider yourself 'played'.


TFK

:lol:

[PetreTG]

I don't quite get it. Are you guys pissed that Obama's not just going to "throw" the election?

:lol:


"Well, he lost by a landslide, but goddamn it he's a man of his word and I respect him all the more for it." :bears:




Meanwhile, Hillary has the machine rolling for 2012.....................all aboard!!!

No Noble ... you know better than that.

He's flippin and lyin his way in ... but once he gets there he'll be as honest as an angel right?

His history speaks otherwise. His word means nothing. With this move , he's not throwing the election by keeping it ... he's out right lying , lied about his own political reform statements.

What this move is , is a tactic to get enough money to buy the election.

[Nobleart]

No Noble ... you know better than that.

He's flippin and lyin his way in ... but once he gets there he'll be as honest as an angel right?

His history speaks otherwise. His word means nothing. With this move , he's not throwing the election by keeping it ... he's out right lying , lied about his own political reform statements.

What this move is , is a tactic to get enough money to buy the election.


Sure Petre, Obama's going to "buy" the election because McCain just won't be able to keep up with him. :lol:

[PetreTG]

Sure Petre, Obama's going to "buy" the election because McCain just won't be able to keep up with him. :lol:

I'm not saying that either ... but that even more so proves my point.

You suggested he'd throw the election to be honest. Does that mean he'd have any trouble keeping up with McCain if he kept his promise ?

See how that works?

These assholes can justify anything and people will help them justify it for the sake of winning alone. Give me an honest man with a good plan and he has my vote.

[I and I]

Petre

Technically it's not a lie until he does something different then he said he would do. Right now it's just a contradiction.

Too bad McCains ties to bush and his swallowing the cum of the north vietnamese are much more damaging. :mj:

[PetreTG]

THAT DAMN LARRY SINCLAIR ... HE JUST WON'T GO AWAY!!! :fightme:

:lol:

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[PetreTG]

Petre

Technically it's not a lie until he does something different then he said he would do. Right now it's just a contradiction.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, announced this morning that he will not enter into the public financing system, despite a previous pledge to do so.

Are you suggesting he's just kidding ?

[I and I]

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, announced this morning that he will not enter into the public financing system, despite a previous pledge to do so.

Are you suggesting he's just kidding ?


You are more worried about someones words then someones actions, oh I don't know actions like being a regular on north vietnamese radio, then now saying the he won't talk to the enemy? :laughing:

Yeah, it's not a lie until he doesn't or does what he says he wouldn't do, since he hasn't acted on what he said it's not a lie yet, it's a contradiction in words.

And too bad obamas lies aint shit compared to the lies of bush and company that have cause thousands of deaths.

[Arben]

Didn't Obama say he would be for it if proper changes were made? Now that they haven't been made, he doesn't want in.

[Barristan]

Who gives a crap? If he stuck to public financing he'd be a clown

[PetreTG]

You are more worried about someones words then someones actions, oh I don't know actions like being a regular on north vietnamese radio, then now saying the he won't talk to the enemy? :laughing:

Yeah, it's not a lie until he doesn't or does what he says he wouldn't do, since he hasn't acted on what he said it's not a lie yet, it's a contradiction in words.

And too bad obamas lies aint shit compared to the lies of bush and company that have cause thousands of deaths.

You speak as though I am a fan of McCains.

What does McCain's lies have to do with Obama's already breaking promises ?

See the point of this particular part of the topic is simple. Obama isn't change ... he's more of the same bullshit wrapped in a different colored package.

[PetreTG]

Didn't Obama say he would be for it if proper changes were made? Now that they haven't been made, he doesn't want in.

What Obama said is quoted and a copy of the form is in the link , written down in black and white.

[I and I]

You speak as though I am a fan of McCains.

What does McCain's lies have to do with Obama's already breaking promises ?

See the point of this particular part of the topic is simple. Obama isn't change ... he's more of the same bullshit wrapped in a different colored package.


YEP, and McCain is the same bullshit wrapped in the same package, same smell, same pile. Only he more directly helped the enemies than other presidents.

[PetreTG]

YEP, and McCain is the same bullshit wrapped in the same package, same smell, same pile. Only he more directly helped the enemies than other presidents.

Well ... THAT remains to be seen now , doesn't it ?

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In Michigan, Obama Meets Privately with Yet Another Hezbollah Agent - (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2032877/posts)
<small></small>
<small>Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008
</small>
<small></small>
But Publicly Excludes Muslims @ Rally --


While the Obama campaign is allegedly publicly staying away from Muslims and reportedly barring them from pics at an Obama event (though Detroit Newsistan and Reuters photos show otherwise), privately he's hanging with them.


Yesterday, Barack Hussein Obama wrapped up his trip to Michigan by meeting with a group of "community leaders."


But one of those so-called leaders has been identified as an agent of Hezbollah--Osama Siblani, publisher of the Arab American News. Siblani,, an open supporter of the terrorist group, was handpicked for the invite by the Obama campaign and spoke one-to-one with Siblani.


But Siblani's brother works for Al-Manar a/k/a Hezbollah TV in Lebanon. And Siblani's newspaper is Hezbollah's house organ in America. Sources say Hezbollah has funneled money to the paper. Siblani was at a small 2006 Dearbornistan meeting identified in the Kuwaiti newspaper, Al-Seyassah, as a meeting of Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah's American Hezbollah agents.


And Siblani has openly praised Hezbollah as "freedom fighters"--the group that murdered over 300 U.S. Marines and U.S. Embassy employees--everywhere from Hezbollah rallies to interviews on National Public Radio (a/k/a National Palestinian Radio) to a Detroit radio station which constantly has him on, unchallenged. At a 2006 pro-Hezbollah rally in Dearbornistan, which I attended, Siblani called for the participants to "pray for the Hezbollah martyrs."


While Siblani claims that Obama was not responsive to Siblani's direct question to him about Obama's flip-flop-flip speech on Jerusalem at the AIPAC conference, Obama didn't exactly defend Israel or its right to an undivided Jerusalem or anything in the AIPAC speech to Siblani, either--a true sign that Obama doesn't really believe in anything he says.


And the very fact that Obama invited Siblani to talk with him is yet another sign that Barack Obama has no problem with supporters...

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[PetreTG]

In AIPAC speech, Obama repeats support for Israel, peace talks

In what may have been a veiled reference to reports of American opposition to Israeli negotations with Syria, Obama said: "We should never seek to dictate what is best for the Israelis and their security interests. No Israeli prime minister should ever feel dragged to or blocked from the negotiating table by the United States."

The Illinois senator also called for continued American military assistance to Israel. "We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance and continuing work on the Arrow and related missile defense programs," he said.

Obama added that he was concerned about the Palestinian unity government accord.

Turning to Iran, the presidential hopeful called for direct engagement with the Islamic republic over its nuclear program.

"We need the United States to lead tough-minded diplomacy," he said. "This includes direct engagement with Iran similar to the meetings we conducted with the Soviets at the height of the Cold War."

"Tough-minded diplomacy would include real leverage through stronger sanctions," Obama continued. "It would mean more determined U.S diplomacy at the United Nations. It would mean a cooperative strategy with Gulf States who supply Iran with much of the energy resources it needs. It would mean full implementation of U.S. sanctions laws."

Obama blamed what he called the Administration's failed strategy in Iraq for strengthening the Iranian position, placing "Israel and other nations friendly to the United States in greater peril."

[PetreTG]

http://politivity.com/wp-content/themes/patriotic-2-columns-version-10/images/banner.jpg
Barack Obama wants to Negotiate with Terrorists But Stand Up to Law Abiding Americans

Here are quotes from Barack Obama at last night’s CNBC Democrat Presidential Debate. Followed with my rebuttals.
And what we should be doing is reaching out aggressively to our allies, but also talking to our enemies and focusing on those areas where we do not accept their actions, whether it be terrorism or developing nuclear weapons, but also talking to Iran directly about the potential carrots that we can provide in terms of them being involved in the World Trade Organization, or beginning to look at the possibilities of diplomatic relations being normalized.
We do not negotiate with terrorists or those who support them.
Now, there may come a point where those measures have been exhausted and Iran is on the verge of obtaining a nuclear weapon, where we have to consider other options. But we shouldn’t talk about those options now, when we haven’t even tried what would be a much more effective approach.
How do you know if diplomacy will be effective? Did diplomacy keep Sadam Hussein from raping women and performing chemical “science experiments” on the Kurds? No. Shouldn’t we be prepared just in case diplomacy doesn’t work? Yes.
The president has to lead that diplomacy, which is why I’ve said I would convene a meeting of Muslim leaders upon taking office because I think we have to send a strong signal that we are willing to listen and not just talk, and certainly not just dictate or engage in military action.
We do not negotiate with terrorists or those who support them.
But we nevertheless have to take steps that are not only engaging Iraqis — the Shia, the Sunni and the Kurds — but also engaging Iran, Syria and other powers in the region.
We do not negotiate with terrorists or those who support them.
And finally, I think we’ve got to have a president who has the experience of standing up, even when it’s not easy, which is what I did in 2002 when i stood up against this war in Iraq 10 days before the authorization.
Obama will stand up to Bush but not terrorists or rogue leaders.
That is the kind of judgment that I’m displaying during this campaign when I go to Detroit and I say to the automakers that they need to raise fuel efficiency standards; not in front of some environmental group.
Obama will stand up to American companies but not terrorists and rogue leaders.
I’m not fearful, just as Joe isn’t, to have a debate about this with Rudy Giuliani because we’ve got the facts on our side.
Why not just give Rudy some carrots?
I have confidence in the American people.
With the exception of Bush, the military’s ability to win the war in Iraq, Republicans, and Senator Hillary Clinton.
The way to respond to swiftboating is to respond forcefully, rapidly and truthfully.
The Swift Boat Veterans were telling the truth. So, we must use force on the veterans. But not the terrorists. Got it.
I do think that we have to have more instruction in the classroom.
Last year, my daughter was taught by her public school teacher that Korea is part of China and that the Philippines are in South America. This year she was taught that it’s the President’s job to call up the National Guard (that’s a Governor’s responsibility) and that the capital of China is Beijing (it’s Shanghai). Today she walked a classmate to the nurse and the nurse had her put a paper towel on her face for no reason.
I do not want more public education. I want my taxes lowered so I can send my kids to private school!
And by the way, instituting a universal health-care system that emphasizes prevention will free up dollars that potentially then can go to reimbursing doctors a little bit more.
Cancer patients have to wait for treatment in countries with universal healthcare. Survival rates are lower. Seniors can’t get elective hip replacement surgeries. Women are discouraged from having epidurals during childbirth. One woman was predetermined to be a bad mother before her baby was born and the government was making plans to take her child away from her once born. Now the British are starting to go to India for care!
And they’re seeing better solvency, but they’ve done it on the backs of consumers.
Tax increases on the wealthy will also be carried on the backs of consumers.
We’re not taking care of kids who are alive and unfortunately are not getting health care.
That’s true. The Democrats refuse to send a reasonable S-CHIP reauthorization program to the President. Instead, they keep sending bills that expand to families making upwards $80k who can afford healthcare.
We’re not taking care of senior citizens who are alive and are seeing their heating prices go up.
But I thought the Social Security program wasn’t in crisis? And isn’t Medicare a government health care program? I thought government health care was the answer!

[Arben]

What Obama said is quoted and a copy of the form is in the link , written down in black and white.
Obama supported reform. Basically said that he'd be involved should they take effect. They didn't. So he's not in.

Where's the dilemma?

[phonetap]

pastre...you are such a mindless sheep...you buy into ALL of this conservative propoganda simply because it's anti-obama. :notallthere:

[PetreTG]

pastre...you are such a mindless sheep...you buy into ALL of this conservative propoganda simply because it's anti-obama. :notallthere:

And your phony baloney religious ass supports a guy that wants killing deliverable babies kept legal.

Don't think your hypocritical ass wasn't obviously absent from the BAIPA thread.

Who's the fool willing to turn a blind eye ... because you relate to Obama.

Pathetic.

[Arben]

I still find it hillarous how much of a sheep you truly are.

[PetreTG]

I still find it hillarous how much of a sheep you truly are.

One of us is ... that much is true. How's the broad and spacious road ? :bears:

[atomicdOGg34]

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26548

"obama isnt much different than mr. mccain"

talk your way out of this

[PetreTG]

And your phony baloney religious ass supports a guy that wants killing deliverable babies kept legal.

Don't think your hypocritical ass wasn't obviously absent from the BAIPA thread.

Who's the fool willing to turn a blind eye ... because you relate to Obama.

Pathetic.

The truth sucks ... don't it, PhonybaloneyTap ?

[I and I]

Well ... THAT remains to be seen now , doesn't it ?

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In Michigan, Obama Meets Privately with Yet Another Hezbollah Agent - (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2032877/posts)
<small></small>
<small>Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008
</small>
<small></small>
But Publicly Excludes Muslims @ Rally --


While the Obama campaign is allegedly publicly staying away from Muslims and reportedly barring them from pics at an Obama event (though Detroit Newsistan and Reuters photos show otherwise), privately he's hanging with them.


Yesterday, Barack Hussein Obama wrapped up his trip to Michigan by meeting with a group of "community leaders."


But one of those so-called leaders has been identified as an agent of Hezbollah--Osama Siblani, publisher of the Arab American News. Siblani,, an open supporter of the terrorist group, was handpicked for the invite by the Obama campaign and spoke one-to-one with Siblani.


But Siblani's brother works for Al-Manar a/k/a Hezbollah TV in Lebanon. And Siblani's newspaper is Hezbollah's house organ in America. Sources say Hezbollah has funneled money to the paper. Siblani was at a small 2006 Dearbornistan meeting identified in the Kuwaiti newspaper, Al-Seyassah, as a meeting of Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah's American Hezbollah agents.


And Siblani has openly praised Hezbollah as "freedom fighters"--the group that murdered over 300 U.S. Marines and U.S. Embassy employees--everywhere from Hezbollah rallies to interviews on National Public Radio (a/k/a National Palestinian Radio) to a Detroit radio station which constantly has him on, unchallenged. At a 2006 pro-Hezbollah rally in Dearbornistan, which I attended, Siblani called for the participants to "pray for the Hezbollah martyrs."


While Siblani claims that Obama was not responsive to Siblani's direct question to him about Obama's flip-flop-flip speech on Jerusalem at the AIPAC conference, Obama didn't exactly defend Israel or its right to an undivided Jerusalem or anything in the AIPAC speech to Siblani, either--a true sign that Obama doesn't really believe in anything he says.


And the very fact that Obama invited Siblani to talk with him is yet another sign that Barack Obama has no problem with supporters...

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What part remains to be seen, that he helped enemies othe U.S. in the past and present? or that he supports bush and company? There is nothing left to be seen about that, there are many facts to support both claims.

[PetreTG]

What part remains to be seen, that he helped enemies othe U.S. in the past and present? or that he supports bush and company? There is nothing left to be seen about that, there are many facts to support both claims.

Remains to be seen and helped are future and past tense ... respectively .

[PetreTG]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/photo.cms?photoid=3160745
Hanuman - leader of the Monkey Army againt the demon King Ravana

:doh:

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Obama's representative Carolyn Sauvage-Mar on Tuesday received a gold-plated two-feet-high idol which she will pass it on to the Obama after it is sanctified.

The idol is being presented to Obama as he is reported to be a Lord Hanuman devotee and carries with him a locket of the monkey god along with other good luck charms.

An hour-long prayer meeting to sanctify the idol was earlier organised at Sankat Mochan Dham and by Congress leader Brijmohan Bhama, Balmiki Samaj and the temple's priests.

"Obama has deep faith in Lord Hanuman and that is why we are presenting an idol of Hanuman to him," said Bhama.

Accepting the souvenir, Sauvage-Mar, who is chairperson of Democrats Abroad-India, said, "Obama has extended his thanks for the support."

However, questions on Obama's religious beliefs elicited just a smile from Sauvage-Mar, apparently to avoid controversy back home where the Democrat senator is pitted against the Republican Party's John McCain in the Presidential polls.

The idol will be kept at the temple for 11 more days and then sent to US.

"We will perform the prayers for 11 days and then hand the idol to Carolyn who will send it to Obama," said the temple priest.




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Personally I find it a bit offensive. :stir:

Let's see if the ACLU, ADL or NAACP jumps all over this shit and asks Obama to reject the good luck Monkey Idol.

:warning:

BTW ... some Christian Obama must be ... carrying around Monkey Idol lucky charms ... Maybe he thinks Jesus was a monkey ... :notallthere:

[slystaff]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/photo.cms?photoid=3160745
Hanuman - leader of the Monkey Army againt the demon King Ravana

:doh:

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- google_ad_section_start -->NEW DELHI: With Democrat senator Barack Obama busy in the run-up to the US presidential polls, a group of well-wishers in the capital have decided to send him a symbol of his lucky charm, Lord Hanuman, to help him emerge victorious.

Obama's representative Carolyn Sauvage-Mar on Tuesday received a gold-plated two-feet-high idol which she will pass it on to the Obama after it is sanctified.

The idol is being presented to Obama as he is reported to be a Lord Hanuman devotee and carries with him a locket of the monkey god along with other good luck charms.

An hour-long prayer meeting to sanctify the idol was earlier organised at Sankat Mochan Dham and by Congress leader Brijmohan Bhama, Balmiki Samaj and the temple's priests.

"Obama has deep faith in Lord Hanuman and that is why we are presenting an idol of Hanuman to him," said Bhama.

Accepting the souvenir, Sauvage-Mar, who is chairperson of Democrats Abroad-India, said, "Obama has extended his thanks for the support."

However, questions on Obama's religious beliefs elicited just a smile from Sauvage-Mar, apparently to avoid controversy back home where the Democrat senator is pitted against the Republican Party's John McCain in the Presidential polls.

The idol will be kept at the temple for 11 more days and then sent to US.

"We will perform the prayers for 11 days and then hand the idol to Carolyn who will send it to Obama," said the temple priest.





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Personally I find it a bit offensive. :stir:

Let's see if the ACLU, ADL or NAACP jumps all over this shit and asks Obama to reject the good luck Monkey Idol.

:warning:

BTW ... some Christian Obama must be ... carrying around Monkey Idol lucky charms ... Maybe he thinks Jesus was a monkey ... :notallthere:
Yeah and I heard he was sworn in on the Quran as well and is a devout muslim. You believe all of this shit?

[PetreTG]

Yeah and I heard he was sworn in on the Quran as well and is a devout muslim. You believe all of this shit?

It's news Sly ... your man Obama is a baby killin fraud.

How long you gonna toss Jesus aside for your new false savior ?

:pray:

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11-day prayer for Obama’s success
Staff Reporter <table bgcolor="#d0f0ff" border="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td> Congress leader invokes blessings of Hanuman </td></tr></tbody></table> <hr color="lightblue" noshade="noshade"> 15 kg, 21-inch brass idol will reach Obama by August 24
<hr color="lightblue" noshade="noshade"> NEW DELHI: Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama can now expect help from an unexpected quarter — Lord Hanuman.
All-India Congress Committee member Brij Mohan Bhama has organised a 11-day religious ceremony at Karol Bagh here for his success in the U.S. elections.
The idea of sending an idol of Hanuman dawned on him after friends in the United States mentioned a “prominent American politician who carried a miniature Hanuman idol in his pocket for luck,” Mr. Bhama said speaking on the first day of the ceremony on Tuesday.
“After hearing that, I decided to gift Mr. Obama a larger, gold-plated version along with the wishes of thousands of his supporters in this country,” said the leader struggling to lift the 15 kg, 21-inch brass idol.
The first-day ceremony, pranapratishta, or infusion of divine life into an idol, was performed by a dozen priests reciting mantras in tandem. It was attended by Democrats Abroad India chairperson Carolyn Sauvage, who spent over an hour at the venue.
The idol was later kept in the sanctum sanctorum of the Sankat Mochan Dham, where it will be kept for 10 more days. Mr. Bhama said several temples in New Delhi had already expressed an interest in keeping the idol for worship on their premises before it begins its journey across the Atlantic.
Along with the idol, a copy of Hanuman Chalisa, a compilation of hymns in praise of the Lord, would be sent.
“We will ensure that Mr. Obama receives the idol by August 24, a day before the Democratic National Convention in Denver, Colorado,” said Mr. Bhama.


:lol:

[Nobleart]

What do you have against Hindus and Muslims Petre?

Are they part of the NWO?

[PetreTG]

What do you have against Hindus and Muslims Petre?

Are they part of the NWO?

Not a thing ...

I do have something against dishonest people though.

I also found their choice a little disturbing with so many different gods and idols to choose from ... why THAT one? :warning:

:stir:

[Arben]

OH MY GOD.

Not only is he not a christian, not a muslim....


BUT HE'S A HINDU!!!!


The world is over!

[Anthony]

Yesterday Obama had a fund Raiser here in LA, and Sugar Ray Leonard was there. He said That he has only been nervous meeting two people in his life. Muhammad Ali, Neslon Mandela, and now the third person was Barak Obama.

I damn near fell over my chair laughing. This is the same barak Obama that on the campaign trail send back and forth emails to Scarlett Johanson. :cheer:

[Arben]

Yesterday Obama had a fund Raiser here in LA, and Sugar Ray Leonard was there. He said That he has only been nervous meeting two people in his life. Muhammad Ali, Neslon Mandela, and now the third person was Barak Obama.

I damn near fell over my chair laughing. This is the same barak Obama that on the campaign trail send back and forth emails to Scarlett Johanson. :cheer:
NO WAY!!!

Emails?!?!?!?!?

That makes him even MORE unfit to be president!

[PetreTG]

Yesterday Obama had a fund Raiser here in LA, and Sugar Ray Leonard was there. He said That he has only been nervous meeting two people in his life. Muhammad Ali, Neslon Mandela, and now the third person was Barak Obama.

I damn near fell over my chair laughing. This is the same barak Obama that on the campaign trail send back and forth emails to Scarlett Johanson. :cheer:

He's the Antichrist I tell ya! :lol:


On a serious note ... What the hell makes this flim flam man so popular .... its mass insanity :notallthere:

The guy's a dirt bag , but christians , muslims, hindus , athiests ... all jumping on board the Obamanation express.

He won't unite the world .... he'll ignite it. :bangh:

[PetreTG]

I'd love to know if Obama actually carries around a luck charm of the Warrior Monkey God ... If he does he's like the everyman ...

All things to all people. Now he can be an Irish fucking Leprechaun looking for his lucky charms.

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl0/1/13255/12_2008/Picture%203_0.larger.jpg

[slystaff]

I'd love to know if Obama actually carries around a luck charm of the Warrior Monkey God ... If he does he's like the everyman ...

All things to all people. Now he can be an Irish fucking Leprechaun looking for his lucky charms.

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl0/1/13255/12_2008/Picture%203_0.larger.jpg
:lol:

You really don't like this half-black dude that has teh audacity to run for President do ya?

[PetreTG]

:lol:


You really don't like this half-black dude that has teh audacity to run for President do ya?

No I don't like phony baloney assholes

http://www.southernappeal.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/punishment-obama.jpg

Looked up Obama's stance on BAIPA yet Sly ?

Still kickin your Jesus to the curb ?

Obama would have been OK aborting that illegitimate bastard baby Jesus!

:stir:







:lol:

[Arben]

BAIPA is a vaguely worded bill. It'll never pass, because it virtually makes abortion illegal.

[PetreTG]

BAIPA is a vaguely worded bill. It'll never pass, because it virtually makes abortion illegal.

It already passed unanimously dumbshit.

BAIPA sailed through the U.S. Senate by unanimous vote. Even Sens. Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry agreed a mother's right to "choose" stopped at her baby's delivery.

The bill also passed overwhelmingly in the House. NARAL went neutral on it. Abortion enthusiasts publicly agreed that fighting BAIPA would appear extreme. President Bush signed BAIPA into law in 2002.

Your boy The Obamanation is a baby killer. (not fetus , not deformed, not rape victims)


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[whiskey]

The Mexicans like him more:

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[Rock on]

I am beginning to see the light and appreciate what PetreTG has been saying all along.

This Obama dude is the most dangerous person to have as America's president and therefore, world's most powerful guy.

Imagine what Preisdent Obama would do our civilisation? Unthinkable.

How can we stop this impending doom, people?

[Son of Payton]

:lol:

You really don't like this half-black dude that has teh audacity to run for President do ya?


It's been plainly obvious for a while now.

[PetreTG]

It's been plainly obvious for a while now.


I'm curious Payton ... you come in a thread every once in a while and make a cryptic little comment ...

Explain what is plainly obvious.

You're responding to Sly's comment ... which was a very lame attempt to play the race card. Because that's all he's got now. And playing the race card with me is absolutely ridiculous. There's no one here who's family is as racially mixed and harmonious as mine ... for generations. My family tree is a mixture of races and nationalities on both sides.

See ... unlike Obama the fraud ... I'd never throw my Hawaiian/German/Irish mother under the bus to get ahead. He'd stand on his mother's head face down in the mud to climb up the ladder.

The guy surrounds himself with crooks. He's been caught lying more times than anyone I can recall running for president. He doesn't have a single good policy to stand on. He has no clue what to do economically and any plan he's put forth trashes the country. His foreign policy consists of being a Muslim that never was. His record of voting is one of the worst in history with more absent , present and no votes than I can remember. He did absolutely nothing in Illinois. He caters to any group that can get him ahead ... the latest being AIPAC. His Mentor was a fraud of a christian and a racist that he associated with for 20 years. He claims to be Christian but has no problem with killing babies that can be born ... by a process of dismemberment if necessary.

But he's going to change the world?

As hard as it is to believe ... I think he will be a change for the country. From BAD to WORSE.


What is amazing, but "plainly obvious" to me, is how weak minded and easily fooled his supporters are.

Only a fool with no other argument left , because Obama really is not able to be defended on the issues (Which is what SHOULD count) claims that my dislike for Obama has ANYTHING to do with the color of his skin. And for the record ... my skin is darker than his too.

:kick:

Oh and Sly ... you're a dumbshit for making that statement. And you know it.

You made it because you know deep down I'm right. And you also know you cannot defend Obama on BAIPA .... so instead you are turning a blind eye to it.

[phonetap]

I'm curious Payton ... you come in a thread every once in a while and make a cryptic little comment ...

Explain what is plainly obvious.

You're responding to Sly's comment ... which was a very lame attempt to play the race card. Because that's all he's got now. And playing the race card with me is absolutely ridiculous. There's no one here who's family is as racially mixed and harmonious as mine ... for generations. My family tree is a mixture of races and nationalities on both sides.

See ... unlike Obama the fraud ... I'd never throw my Hawaiian/German/Irish mother under the bus to get ahead. He'd stand on his mother's head face down in the mud to climb up the ladder.

The guy surrounds himself with crooks. He's been caught lying more times than anyone I can recall running for president. He doesn't have a single good policy to stand on. He has no clue what to do economically and any plan he's put forth trashes the country. His foreign policy consists of being a Muslim that never was. His record of voting is one of the worst in history with more absent , present and no votes than I can remember. He did absolutely nothing in Illinois. He caters to any group that can get him ahead ... the latest being AIPAC. His Mentor was a fraud of a christian and a racist that he associated with for 20 years. He claims to be Christian but has no problem with killing babies that can be born ... by a process of dismemberment if necessary.

But he's going to change the world?

As hard as it is to believe ... I think he will be a change for the country. From BAD to WORSE.


What is amazing, but "plainly obvious" to me, is how weak minded and easily fooled his supporters are.

Only a fool with no other argument left , because Obama really is not able to be defended on the issues (Which is what SHOULD count) claims that my dislike for Obama has ANYTHING to do with the color of his skin. And for the record ... my skin is darker than his too.

:kick:

Oh and Sly ... you're a dumbshit for making that statement. And you know it.

You made it because you know deep down I'm right. And you also know you cannot defend Obama on BAIPA .... so instead you are turning a blind eye to it.

A) because you're an idiot

B) uhhh...NO.

[PetreTG]

A) because you're an idiot

B) uhhh...NO.
*yawn*

[Arben]

What's next? Scientologists?

[PetreTG]

What's next? Scientologists?

Maybe ! :bears:

Obama's gonna unite the world baby! :cheer:

[boxerpuncher]

Having skin darker than Obama doesn't make you Black.

[PetreTG]

Having skin darker than Obama doesn't make you Black.

No ... but growing up in the 60' and 70's it made me everything from black to mexican to arab to Don Ho.

Good times those were. My Knuckles are still sore.

[Arben]

Aren't you Hawaiian and Italian?

[toomuchsol]

You made it because you know deep down I'm right. And you also know you cannot defend Obama on BAIPA .... so instead you are turning a blind eye to it.

Gobs of ink have been spilled over Barack Obama's "present" votes on choice issues during his time in the Illinois State Senate. Yes, Obama voted "present" instead of "no" on seven bills that would have limited women's reproductive rights. And yes, Planned Parenthood of Illinois has defended Obama, saying he was acting out a rehearsed strategy for preserving pro-choice seats in the legislature. But while the Democratic campaigns and women's organizations quibbled over which 100 percent pro-choice Senator, Obama or Hillary Clinton, would be the better president for reproductive health, many choice advocates missed what was percolating under the radar: The beginnings of a conservative smear campaign against Obama's very real history of support for reproductive freedom.

The anti-choice anti-Obama strategy is based on Obama's clear "no" votes on the "Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act," or BAIPA. Leading anti-choice blogger Jill Stanek, who testified in the Illinois state Senate on behalf of the bill, has played a key role in disseminating this anti-Obama argument in the right-wing blogosphere. Taking the bait, former presidential candidate Sen. Sam Brownback, in a fundraising email to supporters of his political action committee last month, excoriated Obama for opposing BAIPA. And in a Feb. 26 editorial, the National Catholic Register fumed, "Obama wouldn't even protect children born alive by mistake during abortion attempts."

But BAIPA isn't really about protecting infants; it is anti-abortion rights legislation crafted by the hard right. BAIPA targets the abortion procedure known as dilation and extraction, which anti-choicers have so successfully re-branded as "partial birth abortion." Dilation and extraction accounts for less than one-fifth of one percent of all American abortions, and is used most often to end wanted pregnancies in which expectant parents learn their baby will not be viable outside of the womb. During the operation, the fetus' skull is collapsed inside of the woman, after which labor is induced and she delivers the fetus. It is a wrenching process, but one that allows a woman or couple to grieve and bring closure to a pregnancy by holding the intact fetus. It also decreases scarring, bleeding, and pain inside of a woman's uterus and vagina.

The antis want to redefine these fetuses as "born alive" and require that doctors provide "resuscitation." As a state senator, Obama saw BAIPA for what it was: an ideologically-motivated ploy to vilify women and doctors who choose abortion. On the state Senate floor on April 4, 2002, he explained, "This issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births. Because if there are children being born alive, I, at least, have confidence that a doctor who is in that room is going to make sure that they're looked after."

Of course, the idea that otherwise viable babies are regularly "born alive" during abortions is an invention of the anti-choice movement. Ninety percent of abortions are performed within the first 16 weeks of pregnancy through a procedure called aspiration, in which a surgical vacuum is used to empty out a woman's uterus. The second most common abortion procedure is dilation and evacuation, which takes place in rare cases after 16 weeks of pregnancy, often when a woman's health or life is at risk. Under that procedure, the aspiration process is sometimes preceded by an injection into the abdomen that ensures fetal demise.

So the only abortion procedure that could ever result in an intact fetus outside the uterus is the extremely rare dilation and extraction. The fact that just a few doctors perform just a handful of these procedures in the United States annually hasn't stopped the anti-choice movement from creating an entire lexicon, imagery, and legislative strategy around the symbol of these aborted fetuses. The vocabulary has trickled up into national politics. On the campaign trail, both Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee spoke about aborted fetuses "crying" in pain as doctors cast them aside into a heap. Suffice to say, such scenes are absent from the annals of medical literature. Dilation and extraction is such a rare operation that most hospitals won't perform one in a year, let alone conduct more than one in a day. Such rhetoric is not only divorced from reality, but deeply disrespectful to the many caring medical professionals who perform abortions because they are committed to serving women.

It is to Barack Obama's credit that, as an Illinois state senator, he voted against BAIPA twice, and then, as chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee in 2003, prevented it from advancing to the floor. It would be naive to believe that a few "present" votes will make social conservatives forget Obama's pro-choice advocacy on this issue. Indeed, they plan to peel moderate and Republican support away from Obama by painting him as a heartless politician who closed his ears to the cries of "abortion survivors." Let it serve as a reminder that supporters of reproductive rights have bigger fish to fry than one another.

[PetreTG]

Gobs of ink have been spilled over Barack Obama's "present" votes on choice issues during his time in the Illinois State Senate. Yes, Obama voted "present" instead of "no" on seven bills that would have limited women's reproductive rights. And yes, Planned Parenthood of Illinois has defended Obama, saying he was acting out a rehearsed strategy for preserving pro-choice seats in the legislature. But while the Democratic campaigns and women's organizations quibbled over which 100 percent pro-choice Senator, Obama or Hillary Clinton, would be the better president for reproductive health, many choice advocates missed what was percolating under the radar: The beginnings of a conservative smear campaign against Obama's very real history of support for reproductive freedom.

The anti-choice anti-Obama strategy is based on Obama's clear "no" votes on the "Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act," or BAIPA. Leading anti-choice blogger Jill Stanek, who testified in the Illinois state Senate on behalf of the bill, has played a key role in disseminating this anti-Obama argument in the right-wing blogosphere. Taking the bait, former presidential candidate Sen. Sam Brownback, in a fundraising email to supporters of his political action committee last month, excoriated Obama for opposing BAIPA. And in a Feb. 26 editorial, the National Catholic Register fumed, "Obama wouldn't even protect children born alive by mistake during abortion attempts."

But BAIPA isn't really about protecting infants; it is anti-abortion rights legislation crafted by the hard right. BAIPA targets the abortion procedure known as dilation and extraction, which anti-choicers have so successfully re-branded as "partial birth abortion." Dilation and extraction accounts for less than one-fifth of one percent of all American abortions, and is used most often to end wanted pregnancies in which expectant parents learn their baby will not be viable outside of the womb. During the operation, the fetus' skull is collapsed inside of the woman, after which labor is induced and she delivers the fetus. It is a wrenching process, but one that allows a woman or couple to grieve and bring closure to a pregnancy by holding the intact fetus. It also decreases scarring, bleeding, and pain inside of a woman's uterus and vagina.

The antis want to redefine these fetuses as "born alive" and require that doctors provide "resuscitation." As a state senator, Obama saw BAIPA for what it was: an ideologically-motivated ploy to vilify women and doctors who choose abortion. On the state Senate floor on April 4, 2002, he explained, "This issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births. Because if there are children being born alive, I, at least, have confidence that a doctor who is in that room is going to make sure that they're looked after."

Of course, the idea that otherwise viable babies are regularly "born alive" during abortions is an invention of the anti-choice movement. Ninety percent of abortions are performed within the first 16 weeks of pregnancy through a procedure called aspiration, in which a surgical vacuum is used to empty out a woman's uterus. The second most common abortion procedure is dilation and evacuation, which takes place in rare cases after 16 weeks of pregnancy, often when a woman's health or life is at risk. Under that procedure, the aspiration process is sometimes preceded by an injection into the abdomen that ensures fetal demise.

So the only abortion procedure that could ever result in an intact fetus outside the uterus is the extremely rare dilation and extraction. The fact that just a few doctors perform just a handful of these procedures in the United States annually hasn't stopped the anti-choice movement from creating an entire lexicon, imagery, and legislative strategy around the symbol of these aborted fetuses. The vocabulary has trickled up into national politics. On the campaign trail, both Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee spoke about aborted fetuses "crying" in pain as doctors cast them aside into a heap. Suffice to say, such scenes are absent from the annals of medical literature. Dilation and extraction is such a rare operation that most hospitals won't perform one in a year, let alone conduct more than one in a day. Such rhetoric is not only divorced from reality, but deeply disrespectful to the many caring medical professionals who perform abortions because they are committed to serving women.

It is to Barack Obama's credit that, as an Illinois state senator, he voted against BAIPA twice, and then, as chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee in 2003, prevented it from advancing to the floor. It would be naive to believe that a few "present" votes will make social conservatives forget Obama's pro-choice advocacy on this issue. Indeed, they plan to peel moderate and Republican support away from Obama by painting him as a heartless politician who closed his ears to the cries of "abortion survivors." Let it serve as a reminder that supporters of reproductive rights have bigger fish to fry than one another.

Nice opinion piece from that pro choice , Obama supporter Dana Goldstein.

I assume you forgot to quote the source.

And I get accused of simply copying and pasting.

EDIT/ADD: I knew it from the first sentence ... though you neglected to post the title and author ... because I read it about a month ago. It's horse shit spin on the issue.

[I and I]

I'm curious Payton ... you come in a thread every once in a while and make a cryptic little comment ...

Explain what is plainly obvious.

You're responding to Sly's comment ... which was a very lame attempt to play the race card. Because that's all he's got now. And playing the race card with me is absolutely ridiculous. There's no one here who's family is as racially mixed and harmonious as mine ... for generations. My family tree is a mixture of races and nationalities on both sides.

See ... unlike Obama the fraud ... I'd never throw my Hawaiian/German/Irish mother under the bus to get ahead. He'd stand on his mother's head face down in the mud to climb up the ladder.

The guy surrounds himself with crooks. He's been caught lying more times than anyone I can recall running for president. He doesn't have a single good policy to stand on. He has no clue what to do economically and any plan he's put forth trashes the country. His foreign policy consists of being a Muslim that never was. His record of voting is one of the worst in history with more absent , present and no votes than I can remember. He did absolutely nothing in Illinois. He caters to any group that can get him ahead ... the latest being AIPAC. His Mentor was a fraud of a christian and a racist that he associated with for 20 years. He claims to be Christian but has no problem with killing babies that can be born ... by a process of dismemberment if necessary.

But he's going to change the world?

As hard as it is to believe ... I think he will be a change for the country. From BAD to WORSE.


What is amazing, but "plainly obvious" to me, is how weak minded and easily fooled his supporters are.

Only a fool with no other argument left , because Obama really is not able to be defended on the issues (Which is what SHOULD count) claims that my dislike for Obama has ANYTHING to do with the color of his skin. And for the record ... my skin is darker than his too.

:kick:

Oh and Sly ... you're a dumbshit for making that statement. And you know it.

You made it because you know deep down I'm right. And you also know you cannot defend Obama on BAIPA .... so instead you are turning a blind eye to it.

By the criteria of all other american presidents technically the attributes you mention would make obama fit right in as president.

[PetreTG]

By the criteria of all other american presidents technically the attributes you mention would make obama fit right in as president.


Yes ... and THAT is not CHANGE I CAN BELIEVE IN.

[slystaff]

:kick:

Oh and Sly ... you're a dumbshit for making that statement. And you know it.

Just for the record, PetreTG, that was just jokes. I don't think that you're a racist. There are a couple genuine racists here but you're not one of them.

[PetreTG]

Just for the record, PetreTG, that was just jokes. I don't think that you're a racist. There are a couple genuine racists here but you're not one of them.

My wife will be glad to hear that.

[slystaff]

My wife will be glad to hear that.What does your wife have to do with this?

[PetreTG]

What does your wife have to do with this?


There are a couple genuine racists here but you're not one of them.

Seeing as she's black (among other things) she'll be glad to know I'm not a racist.

[I and I]

Seeing as she's black (among other things) she'll be glad to know I'm not a racist.

what does your wife have to do with whether or not you are a racist???

[bigdawg]

:lol:

No I don't like phony baloney assholes

http://www.southernappeal.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/punishment-obama.jpg

Looked up Obama's stance on BAIPA yet Sly ?

Still kickin your Jesus to the curb ?

Obama would have been OK aborting that illegitimate bastard baby Jesus!

:stir:







:lol:

Have you seen all the people on welfare who keep having babies just to keep collecting welfare. Have you seen the statistics of all the single parents in the US. I'm a Christian and hell yes I believe in abortions. I'll Holla 5000

[PetreTG]

Have you seen all the people on welfare who keep having babies just to keep collecting welfare. Have you seen the statistics of all the single parents in the US. I'm a Christian and hell yes I believe in abortions. I'll Holla 5000

So do I ... Obamanites want to try and pass it off as simple Abortion ... it's not.

You don't have to wait til you have a living breathing kicking and THINKING baby that can be born and live outside the womb to abort.

THAT is murder any way you slice it. No way I could ever support that and Congress unanimously agreed.

Obama and Company have put a spin on it to damage control.

[PetreTG]

http://www.watchingamerica.com/images/JesusObama.jpg
He ventured forth to bring light to the world

The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers

And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.

The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow ... and yea tho he would break bread with the occasional harlots , crooks and thieves ... but only to bring light to the darkness of which he surrounds himself now both day and night , verily I say to thee only to bless them with his light.

When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organization with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: “Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?”

And when the time came that thanks be to him the hypocrite Jeremiah was exposed , he and his money (1.6million coins) were tossed from the temple as he turned his anger towards him.

In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whities.

And so it was, in the fullness of time, before the harvest month of the appointed year, the Child ventured forth - for the first time - to bring his light unto all the world.

Before leaving the Americas he admonished that his followers should speak in tongues , verily the tongue of the spaniards to be a part of his visions of the future... Then he traveled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small retinue that consisted only of his loyal disciples from the tribe of the Media. He ventured first to the land of the Hindu Kush, where the Taleban had harboured the viper of al-Qaeda in their bosom, raining terror on all the world.

And the Child spake and the tribes of Nato immediately loosed the Caveats that had previously bound them. And in the great battle that ensued the forces of the light were triumphant. For as long as the Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great blows and the threat of terror was no more.

From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by the great ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and blessed his Sixteen Month Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the imperial warrior Petraeus tried to destroy it.

And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the Great Surge of Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a terrible mistake, verily I say to thee the very surge the messiah spake against as a waste of vital military resources and doomed to end in disaster, the Child's very presence suddenly brought forth a great victory for the forces of the light , and by that same miracle , the messiahs reversal once again made him right.

And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful, longed to speak with the Child and saw that the Child was the bringer of peace. At the mention of his name they quickly laid aside their intrigues and beat their uranium swords into civil nuclear energy ploughshares.

From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and entered through the gate seated on an ass. The crowds of network anchors who had followed him from afar cheered “Hosanna” and waved great palm fronds and strewed them at his feet.

In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after in peace. His words , no matter how contradictory , a peace to all. And lo and behold he became all things to all people ... whether be it Jew or Gentile , nay I say to thee even the Muslim excepted him into his bosoom , all in unity of the love for the messiah.

As word spread throughout the land about the Child's wondrous works, peoples from all over flocked to hear him; Hittites and Abbasids; Obamacons and McCainiacs; Cameroonians and Blairites ... in unity became Obamanites , one and all.

And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the news of the Child's journey. Around the world, global temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over.

The Great Prophet Algore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had believed was the anointed one, smiled and told his followers that the Child was the one generations had been waiting for.

And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street at the Wall, spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like manna from Heaven and rates on credit default swaps fell to the ground as dead birds from the almond tree, and the people who had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow again.

Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per barrel. In hospitals across the land the sick were cured even though they were uninsured. And all because the Child had pronounced it.

And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears witness to the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it is the truth for he saw it all on CNN and the BBC and in the pages of The New York Times.

Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and stepped onto the shores of the Old Continent. In the land of Queen Angela of Merkel, vast multitudes gathered to hear his voice, and he preached to them at length. There he told them all , children of the world that he would remake the world and the old would becometh new as was long foretold in scripture and he made the unbelievers believers again. And verily as the masses of 100's of 1000's cheered , I say to thee , HOPE of a millenium of peace and security was theirs once more.

But when he had finished speaking his disciples told him the crowd was hungry, for they had had nothing to eat all the hours they had waited for him.

And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all they had was five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he took the bread and the frankfurters and blessed them and told his disciples to feed the multitudes. And when all had eaten their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets.

Thence he travelled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous Princess Carla of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and she was great in love with the Child, but he was tempted not.

On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to the ancient land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with open arms by the once great prophet Blair and his successor, Gordon the Leper, and his successor, David the Golden One.

And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and the whole host of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and singing: “Yes, We Can.”

OBAMANITES REJOICE ... Your Messiah Cometh
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070402/capt.cx11404022150.obama_as_jesus_cx114.jpg

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:bears::bears::bears::bears::bears:
Gerard Baker - Times Online - with a little amending by PetreTG

[Arben]

Yes, the popular candidate is the antichrist. We should all vote for the unpopular ones, but then, they'd be popular in turn and Petre wouldn't support him/her. It's a viscious cycle.

[PetreTG]

Yes, the popular candidate is the antichrist. We should all vote for the unpopular ones, but then, they'd be popular in turn and Petre wouldn't support him/her. It's a viscious cycle.

I didn't see any mention of the antichrist in here ... :nono:

I'll bet deep inside your starting to wonder that though ...

[Arben]

You'd lose that bet.

[PetreTG]

You'd lose that bet.

I didn't say I'd expect you to admit it. :nono:

Quite the contrary ... denial is part of finding and accepting truth.

[PetreTG]

http://hamous.org/images/obama.gif

[PetreTG]

Quiz (http://radaronline.com/search.php?tag=Quiz)
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Is it Jesus or is it Barack Obama?

Son of God, or America's maybe-first black president?

http://radaronline.com/quiz/2008/03/jesus_or_barack_obama_quiz_01.php
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[PetreTG]

http://www.thecurrentpodcast.com/barack_obama.jpg

[slystaff]

Lets say that Obama IS the anti-Christ...then we may as well support him and vote for him. Why? Because it's written anyway and will happen so we can't stop it..may as well bring the prophecy on and get ready (those of us who are the called) and look up for our redemption is near.

[Hanz]

Lets say that Obama IS the anti-Christ...then we may as well support him and vote for him. Why? Because it's written anyway and will happen so we can't stop it..may as well bring the prophecy on and get ready (those of us who are the called) and look up for our redemption is near.

I'll give you a sig bet that Obama will be assasinated before he completes 4 years as President.

[Arben]

Voting for war spending bills means he changed his position on Iraq?

[PetreTG]

Lets say that Obama IS the anti-Christ...then we may as well support him and vote for him. Why? Because it's written anyway and will happen so we can't stop it..may as well bring the prophecy on and get ready (those of us who are the called) and look up for our redemption is near.

Is that your position Sly ... SUPPORT THE ANTICHRIST??? :doh:

[PetreTG]

Voting for war spending bills means he changed his position on Iraq?


<st1:country-region><st1:place>Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region> <o:p></o:p>
Withdrawing troops from <st1:country-region><st1:place>Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region> has long been one of the central planks of Mr Obama's campaign, and was something that set him apart from other Democratic candidates running for the party's presidential nomination. <o:p></o:p>
Since his campaign began, however, conditions in <st1:country-region><st1:place>Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region> have changed, violence has reduced, and some commentators have suggested that Mr Obama's position is out of date. <o:p></o:p>
Mr Obama himself has announced that he plans to visit <st1:country-region><st1:place>Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region>, where he will make "a thorough assessment" which could lead him to "refine" his policy. <o:p></o:p>
Some critics have seized on this as an indication that Mr Obama is laying the groundwork for a change in position.
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And then there's Iran ...

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SDEROT, Israel (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said on Wednesday a nuclear Iran would pose a "grave threat" and that the world must stop Tehran from obtaining an atomic weapon.
Obama told reporters during a visit to <st1:country-region><st1:place>Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region> that if elected, he would take "no options off the table" in dealing with the <st1:country-region><st1:place>Iran</st1:place></st1:country-region> issue and said tougher sanctions could be imposed.
"A nuclear <st1:country-region><st1:place>Iran</st1:place></st1:country-region> would pose a grave threat and the world must prevent <st1:country-region><st1:place>Iran</st1:place></st1:country-region> from obtaining a nuclear weapon," Obama told reporters after visiting the Israeli town of <st1:City><st1:place>Sderot</st1:place></st1:City>, which lies close to the border with the Hamas-run Gaza Strip.
He said the international community should immediately offer "big sticks and big carrots" to persuade <st1:country-region><st1:place>Iran</st1:place></st1:country-region> to halt its nuclear program. The West suspects <st1:country-region><st1:place>Iran</st1:place></st1:country-region> wants to build atom bombs but the Islamic Republic says its aims are peaceful.
"Iranians need to understand that whether it's the Bush administration or the Obama administration, this is a paramount concern to the <st1:country-region><st1:place>United States</st1:place></st1:country-region>," he said in Sderot, which has been hit by cross-border rockets fired by Gaza-based militants.
<st1:country-region><st1:place>Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region> says <st1:country-region><st1:place>Iran</st1:place></st1:country-region> provides funds and weapons to Hamas.
"I think there are opportunities for us to mobilize a much more serious regime of sanctions on <st1:country-region><st1:place>Iran</st1:place></st1:country-region>, but also to offer them the possibility of improved relations to the international community if they stand down on these nuclear weapons."
(Writing by Rebecca Harrison; Editing by Adam Entous)



And of course Afghanistan ...

Obama promises 10,000 more troops for Afghanistan
US marines, from the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, patrol in the town of <st1:City><st1:place>Garmser</st1:place></st1:City> in <st1:place>Helmand</st1:place> province, <st1:country-region><st1:place>Afghanistan</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p>
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US marines, from the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, patrol in the town of <st1:City><st1:place>Garmser</st1:place></st1:City> in <st1:place>Helmand</st1:place> province, <st1:country-region><st1:place>Afghanistan</st1:place></st1:country-region>. Photograph: Rafiq Maqbool/AP<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
Barack Obama yesterday pledged to increase US troops in Afghanistan by a third if he becomes president, sending 10,000 more to reinforce the 33,000 already there.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
He was speaking after the <st1:country-region><st1:place>US</st1:place></st1:country-region> lost nine soldiers at the weekend in the deadliest attack on its forces in the country since 2005.<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
Obama has promised, soon after becoming president in January, to begin scaling back the 156,000 <st1:country-region><st1:place>US</st1:place></st1:country-region> troops in <st1:country-region><st1:place>Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region> and <st1:country-region><st1:place>Kuwait</st1:place></st1:country-region>, and to shift the focus to <st1:country-region><st1:place>Afghanistan</st1:place></st1:country-region>.<o:p></o:p>

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[PetreTG]

Looks like he doesn't come to bring peace , but a sword! :bears:

[Arben]

He never changed his stance on Iraq.

Afghanistan is where we should be, so him wanting 10,000 more troops there is fine with me. Especially when you consider the fact that there's more police in New York City than there are US soliders in Afghanistan.

[Mitchell Kane]

That's kinda how the Bible was written, right?

[PetreTG]

I've said it over and over ... We the people cannot afford a Marxist/Socialist like Obama in office backed by a nanny state Democrat congress that wants to control every aspect of our lives.

Will the fools of this country vote this fraud in?

Will you unwittingly scuttle your own future?

Here's a few news pieces for your consumption on the subject of Obama's economic's.

As I've said before ... elect this fool and the CHANGE you'll be looking for will be change for your next meal. We cannot afford Obama's form of CHANGE. Use some common sense and you'll know it's true.

Real change will only come from an overhaul of the current system of government and removal of this elitist class that serves a Corporatist form of government where the 545 servants of Congress are telling the 300million people of this country what to do ... whether they like it or not , while simultaneously pushing towards the globalist agenda and destruction of the US Sovereignty placed under the control of the UN and various treaties that only serve to make us slaves to the globalist agenda.

Remember I told you we'd enter a period of stagflation prior to depression. They wouldn't even admit we're in a recession. Obama's plan will speed up this train wreck and the final stage of the loss of our freedom will come when our money is hyper inflated and everyone that didn't protect themselves will find themselves broke and asking ... Buddy can you spare some CHANGE? :dunno:
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[PetreTG]

Huge control over the people and more taxes paid directly to the UN under the Global Poverty Act Obama is spearheading.

You may recall I told you years ago , the UN would be the force that will take control over a defeated USA. And we will be defeated without a single shot fired against us through the destruction of our currency and the American way of life and freedom.
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[I and I]

What makes you think Obama is a marxist?

So far he is a radical christian/radical muslim/marxist. TEAM: RIGHTWING LOGIC

[PetreTG]

What makes you think Obama is a marxist?

So far he is a radical christian/radical muslim/marxist. TEAM: RIGHTWING LOGIC

Do you even know what marxism or socialism is? Learn what it is and then get back to me.

[I and I]

Do you even know what marxism or socialism is? Learn what it is and then get back to me.


So once again, you make a claim about obama you can't back up.

Obama is a marxist because???????

[Arben]

Yes, don't vote for the guy who wants to spend money on a poverty act, but vote for the guy who is willing to spend ten times that amount in Iraq.

That's smart!

[I and I]

Yes, don't vote for the guy who wants to spend money on a poverty act, but vote for the guy who is willing to spend ten times that amount in Iraq.

That's smart!

Or better yet, claim that someone is a communist and provide NO EVIDENCE to back the claim up. :mj:

[phonetap]

Or better yet, claim that someone is a communist and provide NO EVIDENCE to back the claim up. :mj:
don't fret, pastre is searching the internet for a right-wing article right now...:lol:

[Joe King]

I'm trying to set up an interview with Obama for our station because he will be in town. If I meet him, I'll let you guys know how the anti-Christ is in person.

[PetreTG]

don't fret, pastre is searching the internet for a right-wing article right now...:lol:

Your boy is going to fuck the economy and send everyone to the bread lines ... I think even you and that pointy head of yours know this now.

[PetreTG]

So once again, you make a claim about obama you can't back up.

Obama is a marxist because???????

Like I said IandI ... learn what marxism is and how you get there ... along with the rest of you that want to make stupid uneducated remarks about this ... then get back to me. Until then comments like these make no sense.

[PetreTG]

Yes, don't vote for the guy who wants to spend money on a poverty act, but vote for the guy who is willing to spend ten times that amount in Iraq.

That's smart!

You know Arben ... when we first started the war in Iraq , they estimated the cost would be around $400-450 billion.

The Global poverty act has a price tag of $850 billion for which the meter started running in 2000. That means if we jump on board WE OWE that much right off to bat.

It also comes with a host of other controls over the US population , from Kyoto (Carbon tax for the Global Warming scam) to the Millenium Declaration that will put the USA under the control of the UN.

You seriously need to put your prejudices against me aside and wake up to what's happening.

I'm not telling anyone to vote for McInsane. I'm saying voting in Obama will be a HUGE mistake and the people will regret the CHANGE he brings.

[PetreTG]

Here's the man I advocated ... speaking truth once again.

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[PetreTG]

I'm trying to set up an interview with Obama for our station because he will be in town. If I meet him, I'll let you guys know how the anti-Christ is in person.


And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

[Arben]

You know Arben ... when we first started the war in Iraq , they estimated the cost would be around $400-450 billion.

The Global poverty act has a price tag of $850 billion for which the meter started running in 2000. That means if we jump on board WE OWE that much right off to bat.

It also comes with a host of other controls over the US population , from Kyoto (Carbon tax for the Global Warming scam) to the Millenium Declaration that will put the USA under the control of the UN.

You seriously need to put your prejudices against me aside and wake up to what's happening.

I'm not telling anyone to vote for McInsane. I'm saying voting in Obama will be a HUGE mistake and the people will regret the CHANGE he brings.
They estimated that much before the war, but it turned out to be a lot more, didn't it?

This Global Poverty Act is miniscule compared to the more serious issues plaguing this nation.

You're getting news now from a guy whose show is compared to infomercials.

Nice.

How's that north american union coming along, by the way?


This isn't about you, Petre. It's about your stupid opinions.

[Arben]

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
Oh yes, he's the antichrist because he's popular.

If Ron Paul was actually popular, he'd fit your description of the antichrist. Instead, 12 people know who he is.

[PetreTG]

They estimated that much before the war, but it turned out to be a lot more, didn't it?
You ALMOST got the point .... read your own post again 3 times in a row .... emphasizing the highlighted red.


This Global Poverty Act is miniscule compared to the more serious issues plaguing this nation.

You're getting news now from a guy whose show is compared to infomercials.

Nice.
Um ... I told everyone about Obama's Global poverty act , many many months ago ... look it up in the Obama threads. Thank you.


How's that north american union coming along, by the way?


This isn't about you, Petre. It's about your stupid opinions.

Smashingly well with little fanfare the parade is rolling past a sleeping and or distracted public ... You're a prime example.

There's no opinion here. Everything is in plain sight.

[PetreTG]

Oh yes, he's the antichrist because he's popular.

If Ron Paul was actually popular, he'd fit your description of the antichrist. Instead, 12 people know who he is.

Unlike Obama , who has proven a plethora of times to be a crook and liar ... Paul is an honest and forthright man.

[Arben]

You ALMOST got the point .... read your own post again 3 times in a row .... emphasizing the highlighted red.
A standard tax is a little bit different than an unpredictable war, buddy.

Um ... I told everyone about Obama's Global poverty act , many many months ago ... look it up in the Obama threads. Thank you.
Ok, you're displaying the opinion of an anti-obama infomercial. Either way you put it, it's stupid. You're welcome.

Smashingly well with little fanfare the parade is rolling past a sleeping and or distracted public ... You're a prime example.

There's no opinion here. Everything is in plain sight.
Oh really? Smashingly well?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=70864

You're a fucking idiot.

Another conspiracy prediction of yours down the drain. Who is sleeping and distracted?

[Arben]

Unlike Obama , who has proven a plethora of times to be a crook and liar ... Paul is an honest and forthright man.
You sure about that?
Ron Paul?
Honest?
The guy that gave his votes away?
The guy whose first significant moment as a member of congress after ten terms is co-signing this marijuana bill?

[PetreTG]

You sure about that?
Ron Paul?
Honest?
The guy that gave his votes away?
The guy whose first significant moment as a member of congress after ten terms is co-signing this marijuana bill?

Ooooo ... that's NOT dishonesty. JEEZUZ ... :lol:

[Arben]

Ooooo ... that's NOT dishonesty. JEEZUZ ... :lol:
Really?
You're fine with votes being given away?

To each his own, I guess.

[phonetap]

pastre at a ron paul event:

http://bludomain7.com/sdohana/blog_images/Gump.jpg

[Arben]

There's been a guy the past few months stainding outside of my subway station who has been handing out Ron Paul papers. He's about 50, and wears the same green tank top, VERY short cotton shorts, and ripped up sneakers. Meanwhile, he's kindof dancing as he's trying to give them out. He's also got a ripped sheet of paper clipped to his shirt reading, "Stop War" written in magic marker.

For three months or so, this guy has been saying either "Stop the war!" or "Ron Paul 2008!" I've only seen 2 people ever take a paper from this idiot over the course of three months.

Then, on Monday, I happened to notice three people taking a paper from him. I found it interesting, since that brought his grand total up to five. As I passed by, I heard the guy's new pitch....

"Free movies!"

[PetreTG]

pastre at a ron paul event:

http://bludomain7.com/sdohana/blog_images/Gump.jpg
:bears:



Phonytap the donut boy , trying to get Obama's attention
at the latest Obama Love fest.
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/ballroom%20post.jpg
He even brought Obama a sugar covered donut ...
it just needs some cream filling.




...

[Arben]

Will Obama help the NAU come into effect? :lol

[PetreTG]

Will Obama help the NAU come into effect? :lol

I guess you missed his comments on it a while back , where he assured those interests he'd do nothing to derail it. His popularity and the media frenzy in his rise to presidential rock stardom and worship soared after that. :bears:

[Arben]

I guess you missed his comments on it a while back , where he assured those interests he'd do nothing to derail it. His popularity and the media frenzy in his rise to presidential rock stardom and worship soared after that. :bears:
So I guess the NAU is stronger than ever in your eyes?

Petretarded a little bit?

[PetreTG]

So I guess the NAU is stronger than ever in your eyes?

Petretarded a little bit?

History in video for ye of short memory ...

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Obama's a big fucking liar that's playing you fools ... :bears:

[Arben]

Did you happen to read the link I posted that stated that any movement that would create the NAU or anything even remotely similar was dead?

[PetreTG]

Did you happen to read the link I posted that stated that any movement that would create the NAU or anything even remotely similar was dead?

Yeah ... one college professor who supports a North American Union expresses his disappointment saying it MAY be dead and you think you hit the jack pot. And then call me an idiot. :lol:

Tell that to the people of Texas who are having land grabbed from them at a terrifying rate for the corridor.

And then read the 20-30 other articles from that same website contradicting this ONE.

:atu:

[PetreTG]

And Arby ... while you're at it ... you may want to visit this site and see how dead it is ... :bears:

http://www.spp.gov/

[I and I]

Like I said IandI ... learn what marxism is and how you get there ... along with the rest of you that want to make stupid uneducated remarks about this ... then get back to me. Until then comments like these make no sense.


Still can't back your claim up that obama is a marxist?

Obama is funded by CORPORATIONS, it looks like you don't know what marxism is.

[PetreTG]

Still can't back your claim up that obama is a marxist?

Obama is funded by CORPORATIONS, it looks like you don't know what marxism is.

Once again ... and for the last time lame brain , get an education on Marxism/Socialism.

I know you have a boner for criticizing Capitalism , but you'd better learn fast what direction Obama is taking this country in. The more you post otherwise the dumber you look.

[Roll With The Punches]

Obama's plan will speed up this train wreck and the final stage of the loss of our freedom will come when our money is hyper inflated and everyone that didn't protect themselves will find themselves broke and asking ... Buddy can you spare some CHANGE?



what's a good way to protect yourself?

[Tyler Durden]

what's a good way to protect yourself?

PM's...right Petre? :bears:

[I and I]

Once again ... and for the last time lame brain , get an education on Marxism/Socialism.

I know you have a boner for criticizing Capitalism , but you'd better learn fast what direction Obama is taking this country in. The more you post otherwise the dumber you look.


for the last time, back your claim up that obama is a marxist.

Why would corporations support obama if he is a marxist?

I agree that obama and all presidents have been steering this country (not on purpose) towards communism, but you claimed that obama is a marxist, and haven't provided anything to back that claim up.

[bigdawg]

Not to mention Obama is down wit Ludacris. According to Hannity Luda is a radical. I'll Holla 5000

[Arben]

Yeah ... one college professor who supports a North American Union expresses his disappointment saying it MAY be dead and you think you hit the jack pot. And then call me an idiot. :lol:

Tell that to the people of Texas who are having land grabbed from them at a terrifying rate for the corridor.

And then read the 20-30 other articles from that same website contradicting this ONE.

:atu:
Yeah, I guess when our politicians are against it and have always been, it's still bound to happen!

[atomicdOGg34]

Yes, don't vote for the guy who wants to spend money on a poverty act, but vote for the guy who is willing to spend ten times that amount in Iraq.

That's smart!

he doesnt say to vote for mccain, he says dont for obama

but putting words in others mouths is your thing i guess

yes, while people here are losing jobs and their houses its a GREAT idea to tax them and give that to someone else in an entirely different country, with the US having no say as to where it goes btw, absolutely brilliant move

[atomicdOGg34]

id def call obama a socialist, anyone who claims we need to get away from the "idolatry of the free market" most certainly isnt a capitalist, and most certainly isnt a proponent of the things this country was founded on

[Arben]

he doesnt say to vote for mccain, he says dont for obama

but putting words in others mouths is your thing i guess

yes, while people here are losing jobs and their houses its a GREAT idea to tax them and give that to someone else in an entirely different country, with the US having no say as to where it goes btw, absolutely brilliant move
Similar to the money (Ten times more money) that we're spending in iraq?

[atomicdOGg34]

Similar to the money (Ten times more money) that we're spending in iraq?

since when is petre for the iraqi war?

or for that matter when did i ever say that?

your arguing against a position neither petre or I even hold so what are you talking about

[I and I]

id def call obama a socialist, anyone who claims we need to get away from the "idolatry of the free market" most certainly isnt a capitalist, and most certainly isnt a proponent of the things this country was founded on

So you and petre both believe that STUPID ASS idea that obama is a socialist at the same time having connections and being funded by corporations.

ONLY A STUPID FUCK that doesn't know what marxism or socialism is would believe something that stupid.

[Arben]

since when is petre for the iraqi war?

or for that matter when did i ever say that?

your arguing against a position neither petre or I even hold so what are you talking about
Petre says that Obama is worse than McCain. I never stated that Petre supported McCain.

[I and I]

since when is petre for the iraqi war?

or for that matter when did i ever say that?

your arguing against a position neither petre or I even hold so what are you talking about

Did you or petre even claim to be for or against the war in Iraq?

[atomicdOGg34]

Petre says that Obama is worse than McCain. I never stated that Petre supported McCain.

obama is worse than mccain

obama isnt going to withdraw troops from iraq like he says he is, in fact hes played both sides of that

meanwhile obama is calling for more troops in afghanistan as well

obama cant make his mind up about iran, whether its a threat or not, one day it isnt then the bext its a grave threat, a straight up pander to the israeli lobby (which is where he made the comments)

obamas energy policy is non-existant (though mccains isnt much better)

mccain and obama are two sides of the same statist coin, the only choice you have is what kind of govt intervention you prefer

personally i prefer neither, and thats why im not voting for either of them

[atomicdOGg34]

Did you or petre even claim to be for or against the war in Iraq?

i think we've both made our positions clear on the issue

as for obama being a socialist, just look at his policies, thats evidence enough

[I and I]

i think we've both made our positions clear on the issue

as for obama being a socialist, just look at his policies, thats evidence enough

So you don't want to back up that claim either, just tell us some examples of obama being a socialist.

Why would corporations support a socialist, or in petres case he was called a marxist.

[atomicdOGg34]

So you don't want to back up that claim either, just tell us some examples of obama being a socialist.

Why would corporations support a socialist, or in petres case he was called a marxist.

obamas healthcare plan is clearly socialist

shit read the 10 planks then look at obamas policies

i thought corporations supported mccain?

[PetreTG]

So you and petre both believe that STUPID ASS idea that obama is a socialist at the same time having connections and being funded by corporations.

ONLY A STUPID FUCK that doesn't know what marxism or socialism is would believe something that stupid.

I think it's funny that you support someone you know so little about.

Forget your boner for corporations and capitalism and take a look at your man's policies you idiot.

[I and I]

obama is worse than mccain

obama isnt going to withdraw troops from iraq like he says he is, in fact hes played both sides of that

meanwhile obama is calling for more troops in afghanistan as well

obama cant make his mind up about iran, whether its a threat or not, one day it isnt then the bext its a grave threat, a straight up pander to the israeli lobby (which is where he made the comments)

obamas energy policy is non-existant (though mccains isnt much better)

mccain and obama are two sides of the same statist coin, the only choice you have is what kind of govt intervention you prefer

personally i prefer neither, and thats why im not voting for either of them

So you are mad at obama because he isn't sure on how to clean up the shit that a republican president made in Iraq and Afghanistan?

WOW

[PetreTG]

Petre says that Obama is worse than McCain. I never stated that Petre supported McCain.

Yeah , I said we had shit with corn and shit with peanuts to choose from. Take your pic.

As to the economy , McCain's policies would do less damage in the crisis we currently face. Obama's policies send us right down the shitter.

[atomicdOGg34]

So you are mad at obama because he isn't sure on how to clean up the shit that a republican president made in Iraq and Afghanistan?

WOW

so you admit obama isnt clear on how to proceed?

a ringing endorsement

good thing you arent obamas campaign manager

edit: btw the democratic congress has done fuck all to stop bush, in fact theyve gave him everything hes asked for and more

[PetreTG]

obama is worse than mccain

obama isnt going to withdraw troops from iraq like he says he is, in fact hes played both sides of that

meanwhile obama is calling for more troops in afghanistan as well

obama cant make his mind up about iran, whether its a threat or not, one day it isnt then the bext its a grave threat, a straight up pander to the israeli lobby (which is where he made the comments)

obamas energy policy is non-existant (though mccains isnt much better)

mccain and obama are two sides of the same statist coin, the only choice you have is what kind of govt intervention you prefer

personally i prefer neither, and thats why im not voting for either of them


:bears: I concur

[I and I]

I think it's funny that you support someone you know so little about.

Forget your boner for corporations and capitalism and take a look at your man's policies you idiot.

Never said anything good about obama.

I only commented on your COMPLETELY BASELESS CLAIMS that he is a muslim and that he is a marxist. I have never said anything else about what anyone has to say about obama.

yeah, you made a claim that he was a marxist, and provided NOTHING as evidence.

[I and I]

so you admit obama isnt clear on how to proceed?

a ringing endorsement

good thing you arent obamas campaign manager

edit: btw the democratic congress has done fuck all to stop bush, in fact theyve gave him everything hes asked for and more

It's a good thing to hear you stopped fucking 5 yr olds.

I never said anything good about obama or his policies. I only challenged the STUPID ASS CLAIMS that he is a muslim or is a socialist or marxist. FUCKING STUPID

I have said on numerous occasions that McCain and Obama are the same, and that republicans and democrats are the same.

[Anthony]

It's a good thing to hear you stopped fucking 5 yr olds.

What does this have to do with the topic at hand? Stick to the topic, and keep your sick ass personal insults regarding pedophilia to yourself.

[atomicdOGg34]

wow, does obama have any solid positions?

it seems hes flipping (or is it flopping?) on off-shore drilling

obama on the issues: :hammert:

[bigdawg]

Yeah , I said we had shit with corn and shit with peanuts to choose from. Take your pic.

As to the economy , McCain's policies would do less damage in the crisis we currently face. Obama's policies send us right down the shitter.


How can Obama send us down the shitter when we are already there? And why is it that you continue to post all this shit about Obama but yet you don't post Mcains bullshit. And people claim that they don't know Obama but yet we all knew Bush and we elected him twice and now look at where we are as a nation. I'll Holla 5000

[Anthony]

How can Obama send us down the shitter when we are already there? And why is it that you continue to post all this shit about Obama but yet you don't post Mcains bullshit. And people claim that they don't know Obama but yet we all knew Bush and we elected him twice and now look at where we are as a nation. I'll Holla 5000
Are you struggling? I asked you this before. Do you need to borrow a few dollars?

[Tyler Durden]

Are you struggling? I asked you this before. Do you need to borrow a few dollars?

The guy is suffering everyday from how America treats him, why are you trying to take that away from him?


:lol:

[Anthony]

The guy is suffering everyday from how America treats him, why are you trying to take that away from him?


:lol:

Hey man. He himself said that he is living well.



I have been blessed with great athletic ability. I can do shit athletically that you could only dream about. I have also been blessed with good looks, sexy body, big ass dick, money, multiple houses, and other shit.

- Bigdawg

[Tyler Durden]

Hey man. He himself said that he is living well.

That's in the past :nono:

[Haymaker]

Are you struggling? I asked you this before. Do you need to borrow a few dollars? send me some money padrino, don't worry, God will pay you back :bears:

[PetreTG]

How can Obama send us down the shitter when we are already there? And why is it that you continue to post all this shit about Obama but yet you don't post Mcains bullshit. And people claim that they don't know Obama but yet we all knew Bush and we elected him twice and now look at where we are as a nation. I'll Holla 5000

Same reason I never posted about Hillary. McInsane is a fool , he doesn't appear to be the heir apparent , most see him as more of a failed administration (BushCO)

I've yet to see ANYONE here make any foolish claims about how great McInsane would be. We know him and know basically what we get with him. I won't vote for him ... I've made that very clear.

Obama on the other hand, is being propped up like some kind of pseudo rock star , Saviour.

THAT is why he's getting my attention. Someones got to speak the truth before this fraud gets elected.

Bush was not elected . I told everyone here , the election was going to be bought and paid for twice. The first time I was ridiculed. The second time people caught on.

[bigdawg]

Are you struggling? I asked you this before. Do you need to borrow a few dollars?

Actually I'm not struggling at all. But I know plenty of people that are struggling. As far as borrowing money naw don't need yours when my bank account stays chunky. Why do you need a couple dollars? I'll Holla 5000

[bigdawg]

Hey man. He himself said that he is living well.

This is actually a true statement. I can't lie a brotha is doing very well especially during these times. I'll Holla 5000

[bigdawg]

That's in the past :nono:


How would you know how I was doing in the past compared to how I'm doing now? Please explain this one to me? Man I can't believe how jealous some cats are on the net. Can't believe ya'll are worried about my status. Do you think I'm worried about ya'll. FUCK NO! Could care less. But it's all good. It's good to know that I still have groupies on my nut sack. I'll Holla 5000

[Anthony]

Actually I'm not struggling at all. But I know plenty of people that are struggling. As far as borrowing money naw don't need yours when my bank account stays chunky. Why do you need a couple dollars? I'll Holla 5000
People are always struggling. Even when shit is going good. No matter how the economy is going, you find tons of people that have issues.

[I and I]

There is no difference between republicans and democrats (political acts).

[PetreTG]

It reminded me of something I've heard before ...
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6665/jesusobamaxi3.jpg


:lol:

[Hanz]

This guy will do nothing for your piece of sh*t country.

[dsimon3387]

This guy will do nothing for your piece of sh*t country.


dsimon writes:

I am going back to Punjab with a banjo on my knee. with Gosht Vindaloo and curreeeeee....

I am going back to Punjab with a banjo on my knee.... Attraction's string strung tight laddaa ladeeee!!!!

I am going back to Punjab with a banjo on my knee, Canada is just a patchwork of which a part one can be......

[PetreTG]

This guy will do nothing for your piece of sh*t country.

Oh he'll do a lot ... just none of it will be good.

His handlers have big plans for him. :doh:

[Joe King]

Obama is the anti-Christ until proven otherwise. The next step is he gets killed and then comes back to life.

[PetreTG]

Obama is the anti-Christ until proven otherwise. The next step is he gets killed and then comes back to life.

Joe ... I love you my Hawaiian Brother ... but ...

WHY ?!?

:doh:

[Joe King]

Joe ... I love you my Hawaiian Brother ... but ...

WHY ?!?

:doh:



People believe everything he says, even though he's not saying anything. You'll see more evidence of this as the months roll by.

[I and I]

Obama is the anti-Christ until proven otherwise. The next step is he gets killed and then comes back to life.

:hammert:

[Black Market Baby]

People believe everything he says, even though he's not saying anything. You'll see more evidence of this as the months roll by.


Kinda like Jesus?

[Joe King]

Kinda like Jesus?


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:Only if it makes you feel better to say that.

[LOK]

This guy will do nothing for your piece of sh*t country.


Hanzy, I don't know why you Hate on the USA man?

you could move here, make double what you make in gay ass Canada and have a better life for your family

[lb 4 lb]

Hanzy, I don't know why you Hate on the USA man?

you could move here, make double what you make in gay ass Canada and have a better life for your family
He doesn't have to move here. In due time Canada will move to the US for him.

[PetreTG]

Found it! Buried 15 pages deep ... Call this a historical record we can add to. :bears:


:lol:

[I and I]

Found it! Buried 15 pages deep ... Call this a historical record we can add to. :bears:


:lol:

now you can get back to finding evidence that osama is a radical muslim and a radical christian at the same time.

[PetreTG]

now you can get back to finding evidence that osama is a radical muslim and a radical christian at the same time.

Maybe in your deluded world were you see things in extremes that aren't there.

Seriously IandI ... You scream a need for professional mental help.

[I and I]

Maybe in your deluded world were you see things in extremes that aren't there.

Seriously IandI ... You scream a need for professional mental help.

specifics please, is it because I think you are a dumbass for believing that ron pauls deregulation along with other republicans is a COMPLETELY WORTHLESS POLICY? is that why I need help?

[Joe King]

specifics please, is it because I think you are a dumbass for believing that ron pauls deregulation along with other republicans is a COMPLETELY WORTHLESS POLICY? is that why I need help?


Specifics on mental health?

1:find a razor blade
2:run it across each wrist
3:start to lose consciousness
4:repent and pray to Jesus
5:depart

[PetreTG]

Specifics on mental health?

1:find a razor blade
2:run it across each wrist
3:start to lose consciousness
4:repent and pray to Jesus
5:depart

JOE !!! :doh:

Heal the sick , don't kill them. :lol:

[Joe King]

JOE !!! :doh:

Heal the sick , don't kill them. :lol:

I've had a bad week.

[PetreTG]

Found it! Buried 15 pages deep ... Call this a historical record we can add to. :bears:


:lol:

MOVED TO HALL OF FAME FOR HISTORICAL RECORD TO ADD TO THE CHANGE TRACKER THREAD LATER