If Hopkins beats Calzaghe...

[The Cuban Hawk]

IMO, that makes him the undisputed best fighter of the recent era.

Consider that he'll have now scored big wins over the #1 top guy in THREE separate weight classes:
-Tito (middleweight)
-Tarver (light-heavyweight)
-Calzaghe (super-middle)
...with two of those wins coming when he was more than 40 years old. How many other fighters can claim something like that?

He'll also have unified the middleweight title, and (if I'm not mistaken), if he beats Calzaghe, he'll be the unified champ at super-middle too.

Only ONE fighter will have beaten him in the last 15 years, and those losses were both on razor thin decisions, and came when he was already 40 years old. He's fought all the way to the age of 40 and older without being knocked out or really embarassed in any loss. Again, how many other fighters can claim this?

Not to mention he was a dominant middleweight titleholder for about 10 years or so straight and made a record number of defenses in his that division.

IMO, no other fighter's career achievements in the last decade or so will have been as impressive as this.

[Joe King]

Roy's still better:crafty:

He also beat Tarver and Tito and beat Hopkins straight up.

[TKO]

Spider pig, spider pig, does whatever a spider pig does. Can he swing, from a web? No he can't, he's a pig. Look out! He's a spider pig

[steve_dave]

I agree. I'll never think he could have won a fight with Roy when he was good, but if Hopkins can beat Calzaghe, well, that's greatness.

[KaukipRrr]

It shall enhance Taylor's legacy.

[Hut*Hut]

IMO, that makes him the undisputed best fighter of the recent era.

Consider that he'll have now scored big wins over the #1 top guy in THREE separate weight classes:
-Tito (middleweight)
-Tarver (light-heavyweight)
-Calzaghe (super-middle)
...with two of those wins coming when he was more than 40 years old. How many other fighters can claim something like that?

He'll also have unified the middleweight title, and (if I'm not mistaken), if he beats Calzaghe, he'll be the unified champ at super-middle too.

Only ONE fighter will have beaten him in the last 15 years, and those losses were both on razor thin decisions, and came when he was already 40 years old. He's fought all the way to the age of 40 and older without being knocked out or really embarassed in any loss. Again, how many other fighters can claim this?

Not to mention he was a dominant middleweight titleholder for about 10 years or so straight and made a record number of defenses in his that division.

IMO, no other fighter's career achievements in the last decade or so will have been as impressive as this.

Agreed. Right now him and Roy are neck and neck. If he beats Joe he's the greatest of his generation, IMO.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

Sure it's impressive. Hopkins takes away his opponents strengths better then any other fighter. Too bad he has been boring in the last 6-7 years.

[ArturoGatti]

Spider pig, spider pig, does whatever a spider pig does. Can he swing, from a web? No he can't, he's a pig. Look out! He's a spider pig:bears:

[joony]

are they fighting at 168 or 175?

[REEDsART]

Couple Things...

1. WHEN was Tito EVER "The # 1 Top Guy" @ Middleweight???:dunno: ...
2. U're "Conveniently" Overlooking THE FACT that Bernard has a DECISIVE Loss to a Guy w/As Many, if Not MORE Accomplishments...

Like it or Not, Roy Jones is/was BETTER than Bernard Hopkins...PERIOD...

Again, he Accomplished AS MUCH, if Not More AND he Beat Bernard Head to Head...

N ANY OTHER Instance, if a Guy Achieved AS MUCH Or More AND Beat a Guy Decisively, he'd CLEARLY B Considered BETTER, "Greater" or Whatever...



REED:cool:

[meetthefeebles]

are they fighting at 168 or 175?

175- Joe is stepping up to Lt Heavy for this fight. Which means that even if Bernard wins, he is NOT the undisputed 168 champ. The fight would have to be at that weight for a Bernard win to confer him that status.

In response to The Cuban Halk, even if Bernard wins, he is still behind RJJ for me. That loss to Roy is a major factor in that decision, as are the two losses to Jermain Taylor, even if they were late in his career.

For all of that, and even if he LOSES to Joe as I expect him to, Bernard is still second only to RJJ in this generation of elite fighters. His accomplishments, as well as the fact that even in his FORTIES he is a very live dog against the excellent Joe Calzaghe, are testament to his outstanding ability and career.

MTF

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Sure it's impressive. Hopkins takes away his opponents strengths better then any other fighter. Too bad he has been boring in the last 6-7 years.

:clap: completely correct.

Hopkins himself doesn't look all that impressive always. What makes him special is the way how he makes his opponents look like.

[*Z*]

It shall enhance Taylor's legacy.

You mean Pavliks Legacy.

[Attraction]

Couple Things...

1. WHEN was Tito EVER "The # 1 Top Guy" @ Middleweight???:dunno: ...
2. U're "Conveniently" Overlooking THE FACT that Bernard has a DECISIVE Loss to a Guy w/As Many, if Not MORE Accomplishments...

Like it or Not, Roy Jones is/was BETTER than Bernard Hopkins...PERIOD...

Again, he Accomplished AS MUCH, if Not More AND he Beat Bernard Head to Head...

N ANY OTHER Instance, if a Guy Achieved AS MUCH Or More AND Beat a Guy Decisively, he'd CLEARLY B Considered BETTER, "Greater" or Whatever...



REED:cool:


Hopkins didn't get banged out by nobodies.

[REEDsART]

Hopkins didn't get banged out by nobodies.Bernard Hopkins DIDN'T Beat Roy Jones Either...


REED:cool:

[Attraction]

Bernard Hopkins DIDN'T Beat Roy Jones Either...


REED:cool:

There wasn't much in it though. Hopkins has by far the better resume.

[REEDsART]

There wasn't much in it though. Hopkins has by far the better resume.HOW do U Figure???:dunno: ...

It's VERY Debateable if Bernard has a "Better" Resume...He Most Certainly DOESN'T have a Better Resume "By Far"...A Better Example of that is the Comparison btwn Ricky Hatton & Junior Witter's Resume's...N that Instance, Hatton "By Far" has the Better Resume....

Evidently, there was ENOUGH "In It" when Roy Fought Hopkins, Cause Roy CLEARLY Won the Fight...Even Bernard DOESN'T Pretend he BEAT Roy & Considering How Much he STILL Cries about the Taylor Verdicts, that's Saying ALOT...


REED:cool:

[Streetfighter]

Hopkins is not better than Roy and Mayweather had been p4p #1 since Roy got beat, so Hopkins has never even been the P4p#1 fighter in the world. No way he is better than Roy was.

[Streetfighter]

There wasn't much in it though. Hopkins has by far the better resume.

How? Winky and Oscar?

Roy had Toney and beat Hopkins. Roy won a belt at HW and started where Hopkins did.

[KaukipRrr]

Tito, Wright, and De La Hoya can be dismissed from his resume as they were drastically undersized, and due to the dismisal of same day weigh ins, and this obsessive focus on mythical p4p horseshit lead by Fraud's groupies, weight and size differences are starting to become conveniently hazey, ESPECIALLY for Hopkins, seriously, would or should for example, Margarito, get any credit if he were to 'monster' Pacquioa?...Pacquioa is a glamorous popular name though isnt he?...it looks good on any resume, ay Wlad had a mismandatory against Ray Austin, all the while the great Margarito beats Manny Pacquioa, so who fought the greater competition recently? :rolleyes: .
Hopkins is an overrated, glorified, weight welching, eye searing Fraud, and what's going to happen to him against "protected euro whitey chump", will be poetic justice for biased Americans and thier sportswriters.

Roy by far and away has the better resume, and is superior to Hopkins head to head, as proven in the ring, despite Roy being the smaller man aswell..:cheer: it's barely debateable.

[LOK]

Tito, Wright, and De La Hoya can be dismissed from his resume as they were drastically undersized, and due to the dismisal of same day weigh ins, and this obsessive focus on mythical p4p horseshit lead by Fraud's groupies, weight and size differences are starting to become conveniently hazey, ESPECIALLY for Hopkins, seriously, would or should for example, Margarito, get any credit if he were to 'monster' Pacquioa?...Pacquioa is a glamorous popular name though isnt he?...it looks good on any resume, ay Wlad had a mismandatory against Ray Austin, all the while the great Margarito beats Manny Pacquioa, so who fought the greater competition recently? :rolleyes: .
Hopkins is an overrated, glorified, weight welching, eye searing Fraud, and what's going to happen to him against "protected euro whitey chump", will be poetic justice for biased Americans and thier sportswriters.

Roy by far and away has the better resume, and is superior to Hopkins head to head, as proven in the ring, despite Roy being the smaller man aswell..:cheer: it's barely debateable.

I can not wait until Hopkins shits on Joe Crapzagas face

[KaukipRrr]

I can not wait until Hopkins shits on Joe Crapzagas face

Lok please, nobody was saying that after Jermaine beat his arse a second time, even the Hopkins vs Roy proposition wasn't good enough, remember? Two shot fighters, who cares about it now.

Lok, yes. :crafty:

[LOK]

Lok please, nobody was saying that after Jermaine beat his arse a second time, even the Hopkins vs Roy proposition wasn't good enough, remember? Two shot fighters, who cares about it now.

Lok, yes. :crafty:

Hopkins just didn't do enough.. he gave it away to Taylor, since Taylor got KTFO and raped again and now is considering retiring

[*Z*]

Hopkins just didn't do enough.. he gave it away to Taylor, since Taylor got KTFO and raped again and now is considering retiring

Taylor is considering retiring? Where did you hear this?

[valdosta]

Longetivity is part of greatness. While it is possible for Hopkins to pass Roy in terms of greatness, he will NEVER be better than a prime Roy Jones was.

[LOK]

Taylor is considering retiring? Where did you hear this?


have you been reading Z? he is 'bout to retire! he just got KTFO and then whupped again by a white bean pole

[adamiw]

if he beats Calzaghe, he'll be the unified champ at super-middle too.

i see the point you are making, but this fight is at light heavyweight....Calzaghe's first at the weight.....some fighter's aren't the same beast they are at their natural weight, once they move up....Hatton is a great example.

The fight was made at light heavyweight, and that is to Hopkins' advantage.

[meetthefeebles]

i see the point you are making, but this fight is at light heavyweight....Calzaghe's first at the weight.....some fighter's aren't the same beast they are at their natural weight, once they move up....Hatton is a great example.

The fight was made at light heavyweight, and that is to Hopkins' advantage.

REED it and weep, Brother REED :lol: :clap:

[The Cuban Hawk]

Couple Things...

1. WHEN was Tito EVER "The # 1 Top Guy" @ Middleweight???:dunno: ...
2. U're "Conveniently" Overlooking THE FACT that Bernard has a DECISIVE Loss to a Guy w/As Many, if Not MORE Accomplishments...

Like it or Not, Roy Jones is/was BETTER than Bernard Hopkins...PERIOD...

Again, he Accomplished AS MUCH, if Not More AND he Beat Bernard Head to Head...

N ANY OTHER Instance, if a Guy Achieved AS MUCH Or More AND Beat a Guy Decisively, he'd CLEARLY B Considered BETTER, "Greater" or Whatever...



REED:cool:

1. When he partially unified the title and was a 3-1 favorite to beat Hopkins.

2. YOU'RE conveniently overlooking the fact that the guy you claim has "as much or more accomplishments"...
-Only beat him once about 15 years ago, before his time at the top even began.
-Lacked the dominence, consistency, and longevity that Hopkins will have had.
-Has NOT beaten the #1 rated guy in as many weight classes as Hopkins will have.
-Has himself lost under far more decisive/embarassing circumstances than Hopkins ever will have.

So no, Roy is NOT "clearly" better or as accomplished.


"N ANY OTHER Instance, if a Guy Achieved AS MUCH Or More AND Beat a Guy Decisively, he'd CLEARLY B Considered BETTER, "Greater" or Whatever..."

In any other instance, the guy who (supposedly) achieved "as much or more" didn't get beaten badly by at least two fighters that couldn't hold the other guy's jockstrap.

[royyjonesjrp4pno1]

1. When he partially unified the title and was a 3-1 favorite to beat Hopkins.

2. YOU'RE conveniently overlooking the fact that the guy you claim has "as much or more accomplishments"...
-Only beat him once about 15 years ago, before his time at the top even began.
-Lacked the dominence, consistency, and longevity that Hopkins will have had.
-Has NOT beaten the #1 rated guy in as many weight classes as Hopkins will have.
-Has himself lost under far more decisive/embarassing circumstances than Hopkins ever will have.

So no, Roy is NOT "clearly" better or as accomplished.


"N ANY OTHER Instance, if a Guy Achieved AS MUCH Or More AND Beat a Guy Decisively, he'd CLEARLY B Considered BETTER, "Greater" or Whatever..."

In any other instance, the guy who (supposedly) achieved "as much or more" didn't get beaten badly by at least two fighters that couldn't hold the other guy's jockstrap.
We all know it is Hopkins' fault for a rematch not happening. Hopkins is lucky Roy moved up or Hopkins wouldn't have the record the most defences.

[LOK]

We all know it is Hopkins' fault for a rematch not happening. Hopkins is lucky Roy moved up or Hopkins wouldn't have the record the most defences.

that is very true

[Tam Tam]

In any other instance, the guy who (supposedly) achieved "as much or more" didn't get beaten badly by at least two fighters that couldn't hold the other guy's jockstrap.
You had a bunch of idiots running around saying just that after the first Pacquiao-Morales fight, in reference to Morales and Barrera.

[skeedaddle]

buy he gave a prime roy a damn hard fight.

[dsimon3387]

dsimon writes;

Hard one to call. Here are some facts though:

1) Roy beating Bernard as a professional cannot be minimized. The fact that Roy beat other great fighters means that it was not a fluke.

2) Bernard's accomplishments since that time cannot be minimized and his loss to Taylor was to many who saw the fights an asterick because the loss is debatable.

Roy is like a smart saver. He put his money in the bank early and it bears dividends now... No question about it, when a guy is beat and then becomes a juggernaught there is some ownership by the the guy who did the winning. In a sense Hopkins will be tied to that fight.... it is his moby dick.

I think they can both be equally great, but to be fair Roy has enough big names on his belt to be the man if it comes down to a coin toss. Truth hurts... Truth is Hopkins should have found a way to fight Roy again, one way or another.