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REEDsART
02-28-2008, 02:33 PM
Will he Have NEAR as Many RABID Fans Traveling w/Him as Hatton Did???...

Will Calzaghe's FanBase Come SUPPORT him N America as Hatton's Did???...Can Calzaghe Anticipate the "Home Court Advantage" that Hatton Had vs. Floyd???...


REED:dunno:

joony
02-28-2008, 02:43 PM
calzaghe seems to have classier fans compared to hatton's illiterate drunkard mancunians.

it won't be nearly as close imo. hatton's clearly the bigger draw.

Joe King
02-28-2008, 02:46 PM
I think Calzaghe and Hopkins will be a box office disaster and I hope it is with those ticket prices.

Method
02-28-2008, 04:32 PM
"Those ticket prices"?

$1,500 for Ringside, scaling back accordingly the further you are from the ring? I thought those ticket prices were a bargain compared for the $15,000 ringside they were charging for Jones/Trinidad, proof postive validated by the fact that they had to resort to giving tickets away the day of the fight to fill in empty seats.

Haymaker
02-28-2008, 05:26 PM
funny thing is, Hopkins dreamed of doing it in the Yankee Stadium :lol:

REEDsART
02-28-2008, 05:31 PM
funny thing is, Hopkins dreamed of doing it in the Yankee Stadium :lol:Yep...

Cause N REALITY, it was NEVER Happening...They WOULDN'T Sell-Out the 3rd Base Section of Yankee Stadium...


REED:cool:

ILLUMINATI
02-28-2008, 05:33 PM
they won't sell many tickets...and will give them out free at the end....

Azazel
02-28-2008, 07:12 PM
it's completely retarded not to have the fight in Wales

ILLUMINATI
02-28-2008, 07:26 PM
it's completely retarded not to have the fight in Wales

not for Hopkins it isn't.......

bigdawg
02-28-2008, 07:33 PM
it's completely retarded not to have the fight in Wales

Why? Do European fighters make more money fighting in Europe then they do in the US? I'll Holla 5000

valdosta
02-28-2008, 07:35 PM
Hatton sure didn't but I am sure some of them do. A guy like Ottke got paid well in germany and wouldn't have made shit in the states.

meetthefeebles
02-28-2008, 07:42 PM
Will he Have NEAR as Many RABID Fans Traveling w/Him as Hatton Did???...

Will Calzaghe's FanBase Come SUPPORT him N America as Hatton's Did???...Can Calzaghe Anticipate the "Home Court Advantage" that Hatton Had vs. Floyd???...


REED:dunno:

The simple answer is NO

Joe has a large fan base in the UK (especially in Wales), but it is not in the same league as Hatton's. Which is odd, because he is clearly the better fighter of the two...

ILLUMINATI
02-28-2008, 07:43 PM
Hatton sure didn't but I am sure some of them do. A guy like Ottke got paid well in germany and wouldn't have made shit in the states.

yeah but Ottke had to be sure to pay off all the judges...and ref in his fights...that cuts into a dawg money......

mexican wedding shirt
02-28-2008, 07:44 PM
What MTF said. Calzaghe is without a doubt the better fighter, but he's NEVER had the same level of support and fandom Hatton has.

Ever since Hatton was a novice he's had a lot of hype and buzz, and been very popular here in England.

For some reason Calzaghe has never really had that.

adamiw
02-28-2008, 08:07 PM
yeah it is not as big, but it has probably grown over the last couple of years when he has had more mainstream coverage, eventually leading to him winning the 2007 sports personality of the year (not that he was up against much)

A lot of fans will go over, but not to the level of Hatton, maybe 2/3rds or half that amount.....still considerable support

mikE
02-28-2008, 08:13 PM
The simple answer is NO

Joe has a large fan base in the UK (especially in Wales), but it is not in the same league as Hatton's. Which is odd, because he is clearly the better fighter of the two...

Bullshit revisionism.
1st: Fan base isn't always related to how good a guy is, but even if it were...

2nd: If Hatton had beaten Floyd would you say that Calz was clearly better? No way. In fact, it would be a lot easier to say just the opposite.

meetthefeebles
02-28-2008, 08:16 PM
yeah it is not as big, but it has probably grown over the last couple of years when he has had more mainstream coverage, eventually leading to him winning the 2007 sports personality of the year (not that he was up against much)

A lot of fans will go over, but not to the level of Hatton, maybe 2/3rds or half that amount.....still considerable support

Basically, yup.

Joe has spent about 90% of his career fighting on Sky Sports, which has nothing like the sort of coverage of terrestrial TV. Joe only started to get a major, mainstream fan base when his fight against Lacy was shown on ITV.

The main reason why he doesn't have the sort of fandom that Hatton does is that Hatton has that whole 'man of the people' thing going on. Ricky is the working class guy made good, who fights mega-bucks fights in Vegas and then goes to the pub in Manchester and sinks a load of pints and plays darts with his mates.

Joe has never had that. For a start, he is Welsh, so his hardcore fan base is in the principality, which is only about three times the size of Manchester (population wise), let alone England. And he comes across as quite aloof. He doesn't have that same sort of 'personality' as Ricky.

For all of that, if this fight was in the UK, he'd sell it out no problem at all. Calzaghe- Kessler sold near 50000 seats. I just can't imagine him taking as many with him as Hatton. 'Sports Personality of the Year' or no.

mikE
02-28-2008, 08:19 PM
Basically, yup.

Joe has spent about 90% of his career fighting on Sky Sports, which has nothing like the sort of coverage of terrestrial TV. Joe only started to get a major, mainstream fan base when his fight against Lacy was shown on ITV.

The main reason why he doesn't have the sort of fandom that Hatton does is that Hatton has that whole 'man of the people' thing going on. Ricky is the working class guy made good, who fights mega-bucks fights in Vegas and then goes to the pub in Manchester and sinks a load of pints and plays darts with his mates.

Joe has never had that. For a start, he is Welsh, so his hardcore fan base is in the principality, which is only about three times the size of Manchester (population wise), let alone England. And he comes across as quite aloof. He doesn't have that same sort of 'personality' as Ricky.

For all of that, if this fight was in the UK, he'd sell it out no problem at all. Calzaghe- Kessler sold near 50000 seats. I just can't imagine him taking as many with him as Hatton. 'Sports Personality of the Year' or no.

Agree.

meetthefeebles
02-28-2008, 08:19 PM
Bullshit revisionism.
1st: Fan base isn't always related to how good a guy is, but even if it were...

2nd: If Hatton had beaten Floyd would you say that Calz was clearly better? No way. In fact, it would be a lot easier to say just the opposite.

Joe Calzaghe is my favourite fighter at the minute. Has been for years. I would say he is better than Hatton, regardless of whether or not Hatton beat fucking Lennox Lewis, let alone Floyd.

I LIKE Hatton- always have. But he is in no way, shape or form a better fighter than Joe. Hatton does what he does, but Calzaghe is a classy, crisp and unique fighter.

Also, I never said that fan base is related to how 'good' a guy is. I already said that Hatton owes his fandom to his working class roots. Did you miss that part, or did you just read the parts which suited your opinion? :dunno:

mikE
02-28-2008, 08:26 PM
Joe Calzaghe is my favourite fighter at the minute. Has been for years. I would say he is better than Hatton, regardless of whether or not Hatton beat fucking Lennox Lewis, let alone Floyd.

I LIKE Hatton- always have. But he is in no way, shape or form a better fighter than Joe. Hatton does what he does, but Calzaghe is a classy, crisp and unique fighter.

Also, I never said that fan base is related to how 'good' a guy is. I already said that Hatton owes his fandom to his working class roots. Did you miss that part, or did you just read the parts which suited your opinion? :dunno:

Yeah, you did: "Joe has a large fan base in the UK (especially in Wales), but it is not in the same league as Hatton's. Which is odd, because he is clearly the better fighter of the two..."
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I think you need to take a look back at this thread--in order--before getting stuffy.

meetthefeebles
02-28-2008, 08:30 PM
Yeah, you did: "Joe has a large fan base in the UK (especially in Wales), but it is not in the same league as Hatton's. Which is odd, because he is clearly the better fighter of the two..."
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I think you need to take a look back at this thread--in order--before getting stuffy.

In my defense, I appear to be posting about a post ahead of you and you keep touching on points I am in the process of clarifying... :lol:

I clarified my first post with my second, which you agreed with as I was typing my third post. It all got a bit confusing, methinks, especially as we basically said the same thing in the end.

Apologies for my part :doh:

That said, I don't do 'bullshit revisionism' Calzaghe has always been better.

mikE
02-28-2008, 08:39 PM
In my defense, I appear to be posting about a post ahead of you and you keep touching on points I am in the process of clarifying... :lol:

I clarified my first post with my second, which you agreed with as I was typing my third post. It all got a bit confusing, methinks, especially as we basically said the same thing in the end.

Apologies for my part :doh:

That said, I don't do 'bullshit revisionism' Calzaghe has always been better.

haha...it seems this might be the only thing we disagree on and you might be right, but prior to Collazo and Lacy, Hatton had shown zero vulnerability, and had the Tszyu win which most would say was better than any on Joe's resume.

valdosta
02-28-2008, 08:41 PM
haha...it seems this might be the only thing we disagree on and you might be right, but prior to Collazo and Lacy, Hatton had shown zero vulnerability, and had the Tszyu win which most would say was better than any on Joe's resume.

You don't think Hatton showed vulnerability against Eammon Magee?

mikE
02-28-2008, 08:43 PM
You don't think Hatton showed vulnerability against Eammon Magee?
It was a flash kd, as I remember, and he didn't lose (m)any(?) other rounds, did he?

Edit: Boxrec shows him losing 2 to 3 more rounds. I don't remember Hatton having trouble, though. Hmm.

puerto rock
02-28-2008, 08:46 PM
Will he Have NEAR as Many RABID Fans Traveling w/Him as Hatton Did???...

Will Calzaghe's FanBase Come SUPPORT him N America as Hatton's Did???...Can Calzaghe Anticipate the "Home Court Advantage" that Hatton Had vs. Floyd???...


REED:dunno:


Hatton's a bigger draw so I don't think it will be quite as big with Calzaghe. I'm thinking Calzaghe will have more people cheering for him since Hopkins has made himself out to be the "bad guy" if you will.

By the way REED, how do you see this fight unfolding?.. Who wins and why??.

valdosta
02-28-2008, 08:48 PM
It was a flash kd, as I remember, and he didn't lose (m)any(?) other rounds, did he?

Edit: Boxrec shows him losing 2 to 3 more rounds. I don't remember Hatton having trouble, though. Hmm.

He was hurt again in round 2. Actually he was hurt worse in round 2 than 1 IMO. I don't need boxrec I watched the fight. Hatton won clearly by outworking Magee but he didn't land much clean and got hit by some nice counter shots. I would say he certainly looked vulnerable in that fight though.

meetthefeebles
02-28-2008, 09:35 PM
He was hurt again in round 2. Actually he was hurt worse in round 2 than 1 IMO. I don't need boxrec I watched the fight. Hatton won clearly by outworking Magee but he didn't land much clean and got hit by some nice counter shots. I would say he certainly looked vulnerable in that fight though.

In truth and IMO, the correct supposition is somewhere in the middle.

I also watched the Magee fight, and it was the first fight in which Ricky looked like he could be hurt. If memory serves, those first two rounds were pretty haren-scarem. That said, he still ended up winning handily. I suppose you could say he looked 'vulnerable', but the KD was more of a balance/flash KD and after a shaky opening Hatton looked pretty comfortable.

I have the fight (as I do all Hatton's fights) on DVD, so if you think I'm wrong, I'll happily re-watch with an ale tomorrow and reconsider if required... :dunno: :cheer:

LOK
02-28-2008, 09:36 PM
I just hope he gets raped like bitch ass HAtton did.. Hatton acted like a dick and got what he had coming.. now it's joe CRAPZAGAs turn

REEDsART
02-28-2008, 09:42 PM
R there Any COOL Calzaghe Chants????:lol: ...

"There's Ooonly Oooooonnnne!"


REED:cheer:

Roll With The Punches
02-28-2008, 09:44 PM
Calzaghe is italian, rather than white....so he wouldnt attract those same racist fans

REEDsART
02-28-2008, 09:46 PM
Hatton's a bigger draw so I don't think it will be quite as big with Calzaghe. I'm thinking Calzaghe will have more people cheering for him since Hopkins has made himself out to be the "bad guy" if you will.

By the way REED, how do you see this fight unfolding?.. Who wins and why??.REED Will have to Watch Some Tape B 4 Making an OFFICIAL Prediction, but Right Now he's Leaning Towards Calzaghe...

Calzaghe's ACTIVITY is the Antithesis of What Bernard Hopkins is these Days...Calzaghe's QUICKER as Well...

He won't HURT Bernard, but REED Could See Calzaghe BEATING Bernard to the Punch Enough to Win a Unanimous Decision...

Bernard's Best Chance is to Fuck w/Calzaghe's HEAD...Calzaghe's PROVEN, but he's Never Been Tested MENTALLY, like he will B w/Bernard...The Shit Talk, the Racial Shit, the Holding & Hitting, the Leading w/the Head Bit...

The Actual Fight will Probably LACK "Excitement", but the Matchup Itself is VERY Intriguing...


REED:cool:

meetthefeebles
02-28-2008, 09:54 PM
haha...it seems this might be the only thing we disagree on and you might be right, but prior to Collazo and Lacy, Hatton had shown zero vulnerability, and had the Tszyu win which most would say was better than any on Joe's resume.

Again, I have the Hatton-Tszyu fight on DVD. And there is a LOT of BS revisionism about that fight.

Most people seem to remember Ricky just dry-humping Kostya to bits. And that is partially correct. But that doesn't tell anything like the story. What haters forget is that, and although I may be out round wise here (and will check tomorrow if peeps wish), Hatton had to walk through BOMBS to get into sufficient range to work inside and allow his weight and superior strength at that weight to play a part. In at least three of the first 5 rounds, Ricky walks through clean, FLUSH Kostya right hands to get inside. At the time, I winced each time they landed, especially the one that hit him flush at the start of round 5 (or 4, maybe :lol). It near took his head clean off. Those same shots had Zab dancing a la chicken and Sharmba having a doze.

Ricky showed tremendous CHIN, GUTS and HEART to get at Tszyu that way. that was the night I went from being a Hatton fan to being a Hatton nuthugger. It was also the reason why I was so surprised to see Floyd bounce him around as he did, because I always imagined Tszyu to be much more heavy handed.

But Hatton has and always will be vulnerable to a slickster. He is bull strong at 140, has great chin, courage and power and a vicious body shot, BUT there was always the feeling that a clean, quick counter pucnher would be able to pick him off. Floyd did, and maybe Junior Witter can. He's exactly the sort of guy who can beat Ricky.

Joe is different. Even when fighting bums, his skills were evident. He is unbelievably quick of hand, has excellent footwork and can manouvre his opponent in a way that Ricky can't. The Eubanks fight showed that, even early doors, he had a great chin and is as tough as teak. He can slug it out, ala Byron Mitchell, or he can make a fighter look foolish, ala Lacy. People mock his 'open handed' punching, but they are still hurtful punches in bunches, as the faces of Lacy and Kessler will testify, BUT he still has enough one shot power to KO a guy he knows he can bang out without being hit himself. And more over, he can adapt to his opponent, which Ricky could never do. If Ricky's Plan A fails, then there is no real Plan B. Joe has the special ability to change, mid fight, what he is doing if he can sense that his initial plan has not worked. It is this which marks him down as a great, HoF fighter.

Genuinely, I cannot see anyone out there to beat Joe right now. The only people who have a chance are Bernard, who is sublimely skilled at negating is opponent's strengths and maybe Chad Dawson in 12-18 months. Even then, both of these guys fight at an alien weight for Joe. No SMW ever, with the exception of the great RJJ, would have beaten Joe. Not one- not Benn (not even the Benn who beat McClellan), not Eubanks, not Ottke (definitely); no-one.

That is not revisionism. Even though I claim no authority to make them, I do compile P4P lists. And even after the Kostya fight, I had Ricky at 6, and have never had him higher. Joe hasn't been out of my top 6 for near 5 years, and with each fight he looks more and more impressive.

I love both fighter's, but Ricky has always been a lesser fighter than Joe. No doubt in my mind of this...

MTF

meetthefeebles
02-28-2008, 10:05 PM
REED Will have to Watch Some Tape B 4 Making an OFFICIAL Prediction, but Right Now he's Leaning Towards Calzaghe...

Calzaghe's ACTIVITY is the Antithesis of What Bernard Hopkins is these Days...Calzaghe's QUICKER as Well...

He won't HURT Bernard, but REED Could See Calzaghe BEATING Bernard to the Punch Enough to Win a Unanimous Decision...

Bernard's Best Chance is to Fuck w/Calzaghe's HEAD...Calzaghe's PROVEN, but he's Never Been Tested MENTALLY, like he will B w/Bernard...The Shit Talk, the Racial Shit, the Holding & Hitting, the Leading w/the Head Bit...

The Actual Fight will Probably LACK "Excitement", but the Matchup Itself is VERY Intriguing...


REED:cool:

This is the way for Bernard to win, no doubt.

I don't think the racial stuff will bother Joe. In fact, there can be little doubt that Joe responds better to this sort of stuff. The bigger the challenge, the better he is. But the in-fighting and ability to negate Joe's skills are big PLUSES for Bernard. He needs to lead with the forehead, gouge, slow Joe down however possible and stop him from dominating as he likes to.

I favour Joe heavily, but the closer the fight gets, the more doubt creeps in. Writing Bernard off is a mug's game, and it ought not be forgotten that Hopkins RAPES southpaws. Also, the additional weight could be a factor- this is Joe's first bout at 175 and that also favours 'Nard. And if Bernard can get at Joe with the uppercut, as Kessler did early and with success, then Joe might have problems.

Not to mention that this is Calzaghe's first big fight outside of Wales.

I imagine Joe being quicker in the 'action' points but maybe he won't like the infighting. Also, Joe has a lot more power than his 'slappy' flurries suggest. Watch again those flurries- in amongst the lighter shots there is invarioubly one or two very hurtful punches. It's like he blinds his man with his blurring handspeed to set up the big shots. He has a good KO record for a man who 'slaps'... :lol:

It might be boring, but I still see Joe outworking Bernard and stepping right into the HoF after this one after a clear UD win.

MTF :popcorn:

TKO
02-29-2008, 02:17 AM
The simple answer is NO

Joe has a large fan base in the UK (especially in Wales), but it is not in the same league as Hatton's. Which is odd, because he is clearly the better fighter of the two...

Agreed but Hattons fan base is ridiculous...in saying that the Welsh will be out in force I know a few lads from the Emerald isle heading over aswell...

ArturoGatti
02-29-2008, 02:20 AM
Why? Do European fighters make more money fighting in Europe then they do in the US? I'll Holla 5000you don't think they would make more money if 15,000 people come to watch then if only 5,000 show up? :dunno:

valdosta
02-29-2008, 02:26 AM
you don't think they would make more money if 15,000 people come to watch then if only 5,000 show up? :dunno:

It doesn't always work out that way. Hatton is a good example. He never made huge money in manchester. In fact I think his higest payday was like 1.5 million.

r o o s t e r
02-29-2008, 03:18 AM
It doesn't always work out that way. Hatton is a good example. He never made huge money in manchester. In fact I think his higest payday was like 1.5 million.

but the crucial difference - hatton has 30,000 fans travelling to see him wherever, so he sells out venues wherever. slappy doesn't have so many travelling fans. he'd definitely sell out a welsh venue, but maybe there will be empty seats in america.

TKO
02-29-2008, 03:28 AM
but the crucial difference - hatton has 30,000 fans travelling to see him wherever, so he sells out venues wherever. slappy doesn't have so many travelling fans. he'd definitely sell out a welsh venue, but maybe there will be empty seats in america.


I highly doubt that...and the support for Hattons last fight had a lot to do with the opponent.

valdosta
02-29-2008, 03:35 AM
but the crucial difference - hatton has 30,000 fans travelling to see him wherever, so he sells out venues wherever. slappy doesn't have so many travelling fans. he'd definitely sell out a welsh venue, but maybe there will be empty seats in america.

He made 3 million against Collazo even which wasn't held in a very big arena.

r o o s t e r
02-29-2008, 06:17 AM
sorry, i'm talking out my ass then.

Hut*Hut
02-29-2008, 07:45 AM
Bernard's one hope in this fight is to be so sharp in his counter punching that he punishes Joe every time he leads and so forces the pace of the fight WAY down. I could certainly envision B-Hop sneaking enough rounds to win a decision that way - countering Joe coming in then roughing him up inside and getting in Joe's head. Calzaghe is somewhat vulnerable to the right hand and I certainly see a home there for Bernard's, especially if Joe loses composure and starts to reach in the later rounds to claw back an early deficit.

Overall though, I think Calzaghe is too good to be snake charmed into that game. He'll be willing to take one to land two, and that being the case, unless Hopkins can seriously hurt Joe with one of those rights, as inevitably as the tide coming in, he's gonna get out worked by Calzaghe's pace and volume as the fight progresses.
:slap:

To answer the thread question - Joe wont take anywhere near the number of supporters that Hatton did. But they'll fill their allocation, no doubt. It'll be full.

royyjonesjrp4pno1
02-29-2008, 10:55 AM
"Those ticket prices"?

$1,500 for Ringside, scaling back accordingly the further you are from the ring? I thought those ticket prices were a bargain compared for the $15,000 ringside they were charging for Jones/Trinidad, proof postive validated by the fact that they had to resort to giving tickets away the day of the fight to fill in empty seats.

Hopkins' last fight in Vegas did poor numbers. For this fight they increased the ticket prices. At least they were smart enough not to put the fight on PPV.

I don't remember who said it, i think it was Joe or Ron King but it is obvious they are preying for all of Calzaghes fans to come over and buy the tickets.

royyjonesjrp4pno1
02-29-2008, 10:56 AM
but the crucial difference - hatton has 30,000 fans travelling to see him wherever, so he sells out venues wherever. slappy doesn't have so many travelling fans. he'd definitely sell out a welsh venue, but maybe there will be empty seats in america.He sure didn't have all them fans when he fought in half empty arena in Boston against Collazo or the Paris Ballroom against Urango.

LOK
02-29-2008, 11:01 AM
I hope Hopkins KO's this jerk.. I wanna see Joe break down and cry after the fight.. talking all this trash.. just like Hatton..

royyjonesjrp4pno1
02-29-2008, 11:10 AM
I hope Hopkins KO's this jerk.. I wanna see Joe break down and cry after the fight.. talking all this trash.. just like Hatton..
I actually like Calzaghes trash talking i hope he KO's Hopkins and retires him like he says he will. I also hope that all the heavyweight fighters are on a plane going to the event and it crashes and they all die.

LOK
02-29-2008, 11:10 AM
I actually like Calzaghes trash talking i hope he KO's Hopkins and retires him like he says he will. I also hope that all the heavyweight fighters are on a plane going to the event and it crashes and they all die.

:eeeek:

you want JOE?

royyjonesjrp4pno1
02-29-2008, 11:16 AM
:eeeek:

you want JOE?
Hopkins has had a great career but his boring style is unwatchable.

Xplosive
02-29-2008, 11:40 AM
I actually like Calzaghes trash talking i hope he KO's Hopkins and retires him like he says he will. I also hope that all the heavyweight fighters are on a plane going to the event and it crashes and they all die.

I second this hope!:bears:

LOK
02-29-2008, 12:56 PM
Hopkins has had a great career but his boring style is unwatchable.

:eeeek: I can not believe my eyes

skeedaddle
03-01-2008, 02:20 AM
he got boring. He sure wasn't boring when he fought rjj.

royyjonesjrp4pno1
03-01-2008, 06:39 AM
he got boring. He sure wasn't boring when he fought rjj.That fight was probably Roys most boring fight at 160-168