Props to Lewis

[mexican wedding shirt]

Although I HATE Lewis, as I'm sure most of you know here. I always hated Lewis and Hamed.

I hate the way Lewis looks, talks, and fights. I just hate him. Most of all I hate the way he is a solid 6'5 heavyweight, that would frequently fight like a fucking bitch against significantly smaller men.

However, I shall concede he was indeed a great heavyweight. "Definitely" a top 10 all time heavy. On a good day, Lewis was a hard man to beat.

In retrospect I was completely right about Hamed, he was the most overrated British fighter ever, but Lewis was for real.

Him being retired for a few years, and only the occasional annoyance of him "commentating" has changed my retrospective of Lewis.

Part of me changing my mind is actually the state of the HW division now. Wlad seems to be head and shoulders above the rest, but who wouldn't pick Lewis to blast Wlad into bolivian apart from maybe LOK?

[Andrew]

Awesome

[mexican wedding shirt]

:lol:

[Attraction]

i hated lewis all along but found myself cheering for him against klitschko! At the end of the day, Lewis achieved A LOT and it speaks for itself.

[KaukipRrr]

He is deliberately underrated, I thought 4 white belt-holders would force Americans to appreciate him more, and to a degree it inevitably has, but they just can't stand the fact that he would defeat, and in most cases, KO, every American heavyweight whoever lived, and in turn, defeat every American boxer who has ever turned professional in the history of the sport:cheer: .

[ElTerriblee]

Lewis´ legacy grows with every shitty heavyweight. If the downward spiral continues Ruiz and Valuev will be talked about as legends in 25 years. :lol:

[dsimon3387]

He is deliberately underrated, I thought 4 white belt-holders would force Americans to appreciate him more, and to a degree it inevitably has, but they just can't stand the fact that he would defeat, and in most cases, KO, every American heavyweight whoever lived, and in turn, defeat every American boxer who has ever turned professional in the history of the sport:cheer: .

dsimon writes:

You think he is still underrated? I think Lewis has gained the credability he deserves now a days. And yes he deserves it. always liked him, way before it was popular to like him. I won a lot of cash on him also.

[Rabid Kimba]

Although I HATE Lewis, as I'm sure most of you know here. I always hated Lewis and Hamed.

I hate the way Lewis looks, talks, and fights. I just hate him. Most of all I hate the way he is a solid 6'5 heavyweight, that would frequently fight like a fucking bitch against significantly smaller men.

However, I shall concede he was indeed a great heavyweight. "Definitely" a top 10 all time heavy. On a good day, Lewis was a hard man to beat.

In retrospect I was completely right about Hamed, he was the most overrated British fighter ever, but Lewis was for real.

Him being retired for a few years, and only the occasional annoyance of him "commentating" has changed my retrospective of Lewis.

Part of me changing my mind is actually the state of the HW division now. Wlad seems to be head and shoulders above the rest, but who wouldn't pick Lewis to blast Wlad into bolivian apart from maybe LOK?

Good post, especially about that bat-eared midget...what an overrated bum.

:bears:

[Double L]

Although I HATE Lewis, as I'm sure most of you know here. I always hated Lewis and Hamed.

I hate the way Lewis looks, talks, and fights. I just hate him. Most of all I hate the way he is a solid 6'5 heavyweight, that would frequently fight like a fucking bitch against significantly smaller men.

However, I shall concede he was indeed a great heavyweight. "Definitely" a top 10 all time heavy. On a good day, Lewis was a hard man to beat.

In retrospect I was completely right about Hamed, he was the most overrated British fighter ever, but Lewis was for real.

Him being retired for a few years, and only the occasional annoyance of him "commentating" has changed my retrospective of Lewis.

Part of me changing my mind is actually the state of the HW division now. Wlad seems to be head and shoulders above the rest, but who wouldn't pick Lewis to blast Wlad into bolivian apart from maybe LOK?

the ironic thing is lewis was one of the bravesta nd most cofident champions ever. he ducked nobody. not a one.

[LOK]

even I would pick him over Wlad but Wlad is getting better and better..

that said..

if they fought tomorrow.. Value would stop the Lemmon

[LATIN KING]

I'm still not a Lewis fan. Some people give figthers props over the years after they retire. Not me I'm still not a fan.

Lewis to me ruled a weak era and was never impressive. My biggest problem is that he had the tools the dominate and be impressive but most of the time he was too cautios.

Doesn't mean he wasn't a good heavyweight. But he gets credit for dominating a weak era like it's the same shit as ruling a talented era. It's not and Lewis is not as great. :dunno:

[Beyond the Grave]

Well,you had fighters like Bowe,Holyfield,Tyson who was supposed to be THAT GUY at Heavyweight and in the end it turned out to be Lewis who was the last fighter the majoriy wanted to be THAT GUY of THAT ERA at Heavyweight.Till this day it still leaves a bitter taste on most internet boxing posters mouths that Lewis was better than all 3 of them.:lol:

[LOK]

I'm still not a Lewis fan. Some people give figthers props over the years after they retire. Not me I'm still not a fan.

Lewis to me ruled a weak era and was never impressive. My biggest problem is that he had the tools the dominate and be impressive but most of the time he was too cautios.

Doesn't mean he wasn't a good heavyweight. But he gets credit for dominating a weak era like it's the same shit as ruling a talented era. It's not and Lewis is not as great. :dunno:


:bears: :bears: :bears:

Excellent Post Cracker!:bears: :bears:

[Double L]

What's amazing is just how hard Lewis could hit with that right hand. It might be the most powerful punch ever in the heavyweight division.

There was no fighter he couldn't tame with it in the very least, if not knock out.

For example, he destroyed Golota who'd just spent 20 rounds withstanding the best shots Bowe could deliver.

And then he turned Tua into a virtual vagina with the first right hand he landed.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

What's amazing is just how hard Lewis could hit with that right hand. It might be the most powerful punch ever in the heavyweight division.

There was no fighter he couldn't tame with it in the very least, if not knock out.

For example, he destroyed Golota who'd just spent 20 rounds withstanding the best shots Bowe could deliver.

And then he turned Tua into a virtual vagina with the first right hand he landed.
Exhibit A: Željko Mavrović
:popcorn:

[LOK]

Exhibit A: Željko Mavrović
:popcorn:

:bears:

aka "mowhawk BUM"


http://www.biomonde.co.uk/bmsport/images/zeljko.jpg

[Mean Mr Mustard]

:bears:

aka "mowhawk BUM"


http://www.biomonde.co.uk/bmsport/images/zeljko.jpg
A piffling 215lb Mohawk bum at that.

Foreman would have gotten this cunt out in less than 60 seconds.

[mexican wedding shirt]

I'm still not a Lewis fan. Some people give figthers props over the years after they retire. Not me I'm still not a fan.

Lewis to me ruled a weak era and was never impressive. My biggest problem is that he had the tools the dominate and be impressive but most of the time he was too cautios.

Doesn't mean he wasn't a good heavyweight. But he gets credit for dominating a weak era like it's the same shit as ruling a talented era. It's not and Lewis is not as great. :dunno:

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not a lewis fan by any stretch of the imagination, I'm still a hater - I'm just saying he is better than I gave him credit for :lol:

[Mean Mr Mustard]

http://www.jerry-lewis.com/jlewis.jpg
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http://www.boxrec.com/media/images/6/6c/Lewis.lennox.jpg

[LOK]

A piffling 215lb Mohawk bum at that.

Foreman would have gotten this cunt out in less than 60 seconds.

no doubt

and I don't know if it was just before or just after the fight Mohawk was down to 98lbs and almost died! he had some crazy virus or somthing and should not have been boxing

[LOK]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/09/27/archive/main18468.shtml

[Mitchell Kane]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/09/27/archive/main18468.shtml

Holyfield, however, now faces a WBA mandatory defense against Henry Akinwande.

The great "Hepatitis" card that wasn't.:lol:

[Double L]

Exhibit A: Željko Mavrović
:popcorn:

yeah that guy proved to be tough. and Mercer too. boith of them took Lewis' best shots. Vitali did too I guess. but not without consequence.

[KaukipRrr]

Well,you had fighters like Bowe,Holyfield,Tyson who was supposed to be THAT GUY at Heavyweight and in the end it turned out to be Lewis who was the last fighter the majoriy wanted to be THAT GUY of THAT ERA at Heavyweight.Till this day it still leaves a bitter taste on most internet boxing posters mouths that Lewis was better than all 3 of them.:lol:

Fuck Yes, what a throw brother, keep them in about that area if you like :bears: .

[Mitchell Kane]

Well,you had fighters like Bowe,Holyfield,Tyson who was supposed to be THAT GUY at Heavyweight and in the end it turned out to be Lewis who was the last fighter the majoriy wanted to be THAT GUY of THAT ERA at Heavyweight.Till this day it still leaves a bitter taste on most internet boxing posters mouths that Lewis was better than all 3 of them.:lol:

It's a good point and I think it goes for a lot of the media, as well.

Lewis basically finished his career with "scoreboard" over all three, and while you have to go back to the ams in regard to Bowe, it should always be pointed out that the fight was supposed to happen...Bowe had his chances to fight Lewis in the pros and it wasn't Lewis who kept that fight from happening.

[LOK]

I don't know WHO in the hell you guys are talking about that think Lemmon has a better score board than Bowe,Holy, Tyson

all three of them are above him

[meetthefeebles]

It's a good point and I think it goes for a lot of the media, as well.

Lewis basically finished his career with "scoreboard" over all three, and while you have to go back to the ams in regard to Bowe, it should always be pointed out that the fight was supposed to happen...Bowe had his chances to fight Lewis in the pros and it wasn't Lewis who kept that fight from happening.

Actually, Bowe threw his belt in a bin, just so that he could fight Holy and NOT fight his mandatory against Lennox. Not to mention, as you rightly point out, that Lennox KHTFO in the 1988 games.

Holyfield lost pretty convincingly to Lennox twice.

Tyson paid Lennox a few million to 'side-step' him to unify with Holy in the mid 1990's when he was supposed to be still 'the Baddest man on the planet'. Then, after Holy beat him and Lennox beat Holy, Lennox PLAYED with Mike's tiny, overrated ass for 8 rounds before KHTFO as well.

Yet people still rate any or all of that lot above Lennox. As Double points out, Lennox ducked NO-ONE. In fact, with the honourable exception of Evander, the tough little bastard that he is, the other's all ducked Lennox.

These are FACTS. Indisputable FACTS.

[meetthefeebles]

I don't know WHO in the hell you guys are talking about that think Lemmon has a better score board than Bowe,Holy, Tyson

all three of them are above him

But Lennox beat all three of these guys. In fact, he's about 4-0 against them.

So how can he be below them? :dunno:

Actually, don't bother with that. You think that a prime HERBIE HIDE is a match for Lennox Lewis. :laughing: And prime JIMMY THUNDER. :laughing:

Awww, bollocks to it. Here's that list again in full:

you are forgeting that Mike stepped aside Lemmon to get to HOLY who was the REAL DEAl.. Lemmon was just some bitch boy..

saying Lemmon is not a top 5 heavy is not the same as head to head but even still

Prime Tyson
Prime Ali
prime Holmes
Prime Foreman
Prime Frazier
Prime norton
Prime Ellis
Prime McCall
Prime Rahman
Prime Zeljoy Mackerl
Prime Mercer (or old Mercer as we saw)
Prime Tyrell Biggs
Prime Shavers
Prime Moorer
Prime Wlad
Prime Herbie Hide
Prime Bowe
Prime Liston
Prime Jimmy Thunder

I really could keep going

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24070&page=6

:laughing:

[mexican wedding shirt]

Actually, Bowe threw his belt in a bin, just so that he could fight Holy and NOT fight his mandatory against Lennox. Not to mention, as you rightly point out, that Lennox KHTFO in the 1988 games.

Holyfield lost pretty convincingly to Lennox twice.

Tyson paid Lennox a few million to 'side-step' him to unify with Holy in the mid 1990's when he was supposed to be still 'the Baddest man on the planet'. Then, after Holy beat him and Lennox beat Holy, Lennox PLAYED with Mike's tiny, overrated ass for 8 rounds before KHTFO as well.

Yet people still rate any or all of that lot above Lennox. As Double points out, Lennox ducked NO-ONE. In fact, with the honourable exception of Evander, the tough little bastard that he is, the other's all ducked Lennox.

These are FACTS. Indisputable FACTS.

Wrong. Lewis beat Holyfield convincingly the first time. The second fight was arguably a Holy win. Lewis fought like a bitch in the rematch.

[meetthefeebles]

Wrong. Lewis beat Holyfield convincingly the first time. The second fight was arguably a Holy win. Lewis fought like a bitch in the rematch.

Lewis definitely won the first more convincingly, and I would definitely agree that he wasn't as convincing or aggressive in the second fight BUT he still won it. Closer but clear. :nono:

Not even Holy thought he won the fight. Watch him at the end of it...

And in any event, this is unquestionably the ONLY debatable part of my original post. It's the only part you 'Lennox hater's' could latch onto... :lol:

[LOK]

Holy won both fights

[meetthefeebles]

Holy won both fights

You see Mex? You see what I've been dealing with here...? :lol:

Brother LOK. Honestly. Your hatred of Lennox is clearly pathological. My good man, just let it go...

[LOK]

well.. everyone agrees that HOly won the second, the first should have been a draw at best.. and Holy was SICK!

[mexican wedding shirt]

If you felt lewis won it close, that's fine, I was just disputing the "won it convincingly" bit. It was not convincing, or impressive.

Convincing is Lewis against Tua, Botha, Grant, Rahman rematch etc

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Lewis outclassed Holyfield in every department in the 1st fight.
Only some bitch-judge on the take didn't see it that way.

[LOK]

Lewis outclassed Holyfield in every department in the 1st fight.
Only some bitch-judge on the take didn't see it that way.

HOly was sick..

in the re Holy kicked his ass and got robbed

[Erratic]

HOly was sick..

in the re Holy kicked his ass and got robbed

Holyfield always manages to be sick or injured when he performs poorly.

Shoulder injury, leg cramps, busted eardrum, heart problem, HGH-itis, etc...

[LATIN KING]

Holyfield always manages to be sick or injured when he performs poorly.

Shoulder injury, leg cramps, busted eardrum, heart problem, HGH-itis, etc...to be fair after the first Moore fight it was medically proven. :popcorn:

[LOK]

to be fair after the first Moore fight it was medically proven. :popcorn:

it was proven before Lenny too

then Holy felt a lil better and won the re but got shafted

[Erratic]

to be fair after the first Moore fight it was medically proven. :popcorn:

Yeah that was the first case of HGH-itis.

The doctors said his symptoms were very consistent with steroid use and they asked him if he used (like Holyfield would say, "oh yes, I love steroids!")

[KaukipRrr]

Yeah that was the first case of HGH-itis.

The doctors said his symptoms were very consistent with steroid use and they asked him if he used (like Holyfield would say, "oh yes, I love steroids!")

Yep, Holyfield had juice stored in his latsssssssssss and trapssssssss, like the humps of a camel, every now and then he'd spurt like breast milk, and through the tiny pinholes in the pores of his skin, his cobra-neck would go off like a dolphin sneezing.

[Erratic]

Yep, Holyfield had juice stored in his latsssssssssss and trapssssssss, like the humps of a camel, every now and then he'd spurt like breast milk, and through the tiny pinholes in the pores of his skin, his cobra-neck would go off like a dolphin sneezing.

:bears:

Admit that Holyfield never would've been Tyson without steroids and I'll never try to argue against any of your Mayweather bashing posts.

[LOK]

Holy should have hit Lemmon in the nuts then taken off both their shorts and put his cock in the gay Lemmon's britsh/candian/jamican ass!!!

[KaukipRrr]

:bears:

Admit that Holyfield never would've been Tyson without steroids and I'll never try to argue against any of your Mayweather bashing posts.

But then I'm likely to go on to make a scrumptious review thread on "Fraud's backtwisting and other various felonies" which would have you sidelined, and foaming at the mouth like a restrained mauler, :lol: and I can't do that to you, it wouldn't be fare.

[Tyler Durden]

to be fair after the first Moore fight it was medically proven. :popcorn:

It was the last Bowe fight he had Hepatitus, not Moorer. You telling me Benny healed his heart? :laughing:

[KaukipRrr]

You telling me Benny healed his heart? :laughing:

:lol:

[LATIN KING]

It was the last Bowe fight he had Hepatitus, not Moorer. You telling me Benny healed his heart? :laughing:I just know there was controversy after the first Moore fight. Something wrong with his heart. :dunno:

I don't know if it was bullshit. :popcorn:

[Tyler Durden]

I just know there was controversy after the first Moore fight. Something wrong with his heart. :dunno:

I don't know if it was bullshit. :popcorn:

:popcorn:


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[LOK]

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[Ugotabe Kidding]

A piffling 215lb Mohawk bum at that.

Foreman would have gotten this cunt out in less than 60 seconds.

That is what you would think by his looks

The truth is however that Mavrovic took Lewis' best shots and they were some humongous uppercuts and right crosses and he stayed right there. Mike Tyson cried and folded under lesser shots

[KaukipRrr]

That is what you would think by his looks

The truth is however that Mavrovic took Lewis' best shots and they were some humongous uppercuts and right crosses and he stayed right there. Mike Tyson cried and folded under lesser shots

Absolutely, he bawled and screamed in his corner, he was so frightenned that he became infantized. Not bad for America's favourite heavyweight? :crafty:.

[LOK]

That is what you would think by his looks

The truth is however that Mavrovic took Lewis' best shots and they were some humongous uppercuts and right crosses and he stayed right there. Mike Tyson cried and folded under lesser shots

Lemmon has said the Mowhawk fight was his toughest ever

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Lemmon has said the Mowhawk fight was his toughest ever

Lies

[LOK]

Lies

In 1998, he went up against Lennox Lewis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennox_Lewis) for the world heavyweight champion title, but lost after twelve rounds on points. In 2006 Lewis stated that that fight was "the hardest of my career".

-From Wiki (and other sources):flip: :flip:

[Mitchell Kane]

In 1998, he went up against Lennox Lewis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennox_Lewis) for the world heavyweight champion title, but lost after twelve rounds on points. In 2006 Lewis stated that that fight was "the hardest of my career".

-From Wiki (and other sources):flip: :flip:

I could see that. The Mavrovic and Mercer fights were probably the toughest distance/decision wins of his career.

The fight came just a week after Holyfield looked dreadful against Vaughn Bean and was heavily criticized for it. Lewis was beginning to make some inroads on Holyfield in terms of public/media opinion. Mavrovic wasn't well known, and was discounted heavily in the American press.

Lewis probably expected an early knockout...but at least unlike say Bowe against Golota, he showed up in shape and was able to gut out a tough fight against a fighter who was awkward as hell.

The hardest fights of his career were probably the Mercer and Mavrovic fights because he was a knockout puncher was forced to go the distance...not something he's used to.

The first McCall fight wasn't really a physically "hard" fight, in comparison. Neither was the Rahman lossm, really...he was winning handily and just got hit in what ended up being the last round. You could argue the Briggs, Klitschko and Bruno fights...but he ended those in the distance.

Against Mavrovic, he had to fight fatigue and his opponent.

[LOK]

I could see that. The Mavrovic and Mercer fights were probably the toughest distance/decision wins of his career.

The fight came just a week after Holyfield looked dreadful against Vaughn Bean and was heavily criticized for it. Lewis was beginning to make some inroads on Holyfield in terms of public/media opinion. Mavrovic wasn't well known, and was discounted heavily in the American press.

Lewis probably expected an early knockout...but at least unlike say Bowe against Golota, he showed up in shape and was able to gut out a tough fight against a fighter who was awkward as hell.

The hardest fights of his career were probably the Mercer and Mavrovic fights because he was a knockout puncher was forced to go the distance...not something he's used to.

The first McCall fight wasn't really a physically "hard" fight, in comparison. Neither was the Rahman lossm, really...he was winning handily and just got hit in what ended up being the last round. You could argue the Briggs, Klitschko and Bruno fights...but he ended those in the distance.

Against Mavrovic, he had to fight fatigue and his opponent.

no doubt.. MoWawk took a beating and I know Lemmon must have been frustrated..

with MCCall and Rahman he just got STRETCHED like a bitch... not really tough fights.. just got his ass kicked and then put to sleep

[dsimon3387]

dsimon writes:

You guys are conveniently forgeting the Vitalie fight. Lewis just won't admit it but that was his toughest fight by far. He was in a real pissy mood after that fight also.:lol: