MACCARINELLI-HAYE: RIPPED AND READY! (PHOTOS)

[cupey alto]

In the most significant cruiserweight unification title bout in years, world champions Enzo Maccarinelli (World Boxing Organization) and David Haye will collide this Saturday, March 8, live on SHOWTIME CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING at 9 p.m. ET/PT (delayed on the west coast).

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[Arben]

Haye looks like a beast.

[IronDanLaw]

Enzo is in trouble and will be KO'd within 5 or 6 rounds.

[meetthefeebles]

Enzo is in trouble and will be KO'd within 5 or 6 rounds.

Hell Yes!!!

War Haye!!!!!! :blobbox:

[Arben]

I want Enzo to win. He'd at least stay in the Cruiserweight division.

[Mitchell Kane]

It's hard to comment on a fight where I've only seen youtube clips of both fighters.

Anybody seen Rudolf Kraj fight before? He's fighting Matt Godfrey tommorrow in the WBC eliminator.

Busy cruiserweight weekend.

[dsimon3387]

It's hard to comment on a fight where I've only seen youtube clips of both fighters.

Anybody seen Rudolf Kraj fight before? He's fighting Matt Godfrey tommorrow in the WBC eliminator.

Busy cruiserweight weekend.

dsimon writes:

I don't know which clip you looked at Mitchell but the Haye Mormeck fight is on Utube. I feel the same way. :dunno:

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Think....Julian Letterlough v Ka-Dy King and you've got tonight's fight.

[meetthefeebles]

I want Enzo to win. He'd at least stay in the Cruiserweight division.

That much is true.

For the betterment of the CW division, an Enzo win is a must. He has no intention of going anywhere, win or lose, whilst Haye has made it pretty much completely clear that he is off to HW whether or not he comes through tonight. In fact, he swore straight after beating Mormeck that he'd be going to HW- it was only the chance to fight Enzo that kept him at 14st 4lb.

The CW division needs a marketable, dominant body to drag it from the doldrums many seem to have placed it in. Haye could be it but he doesn't want to be. If Enzo manages to KO Haye, with US exposure no less, then he has a shot at being it.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

That much is true.

For the betterment of the CW division, an Enzo win is a must. He has no intention of going anywhere, win or lose, whilst Haye has made it pretty much completely clear that he is off to HW whether or not he comes through tonight. In fact, he swore straight after beating Mormeck that he'd be going to HW- it was only the chance to fight Enzo that kept him at 14st 4lb.

The CW division needs a marketable, dominant body to drag it from the doldrums many seem to have placed it in. Haye could be it but he doesn't want to be. If Enzo manages to KO Haye, with US exposure no less, then he has a shot at being it.Agreed.
But by this logic - a Maccaroni-cheese win is essential as he lights up a dull division.

A Hayemaker win means nothing as:
a) he has no intention of staying at cruiserweight anyway
b) he won't do shit at heavyweight either

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[meetthefeebles]

Agreed.
But by this logic - a Maccaroni-cheese win is essential as he lights up a dull division.

A Hayemaker win means nothing as:
a) he has no intention of staying at cruiserweight anyway
b) he won't do shit at heavyweight either

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif

It's worse than that. If Haye wins (as I expect) and then jumps ship, the belts would be dispersed and a whole raft of 'paper champions' are created. None of which would have any legitimacy, on the grounds that the best CW isn't even fighting there anymore... :shit:

Actually, I think Haye might do okay at HW. HW is so dire at the minute that I couldn't say with any certainty that anyone bar Wlad would easily beat/dominate Haye. Though I admit that this is more a reflection of the HW division than it is of the 'special talents' of Mr Haye...

Either way, I'm starting to really get excited about tonight. I've been waiting to see Enzo STRETCHED by Haye for about two years now... :blobbox:

[mexican wedding shirt]

Who cares if he is moving up to heavyweight, a Haye win is still better, because Enzo is a boring, annoying, welsh bastard.

I'm predicting Haye in 5, I hope his chin holds up.

How hard do you think Macaroni punches compared to Mormeck?

[dsimon3387]

Who cares if he is moving up to heavyweight, a Haye win is still better, because Enzo is a boring, annoying, welsh bastard.

I'm predicting Haye in 5, I hope his chin holds up.

How hard do you think Macaroni punches compared to Mormeck?

dsimon writes:

Mormeck is a flurry puncher. He is a tough fight for anyone in the division but has a lot of weaknesses. He gets tired late and is not the best defensivelly. One of my favorite cruiser fights was the second Mormeck Bell fight. But I would be suprised of Macoroni does not punch harder than Mormeck.

I also think that any cruiser with a decent punch would be a fool not to go heavy.

[meetthefeebles]

Who cares if he is moving up to heavyweight, a Haye win is still better, because Enzo is a boring, annoying, welsh bastard.

I'm predicting Haye in 5, I hope his chin holds up.

How hard do you think Macaroni punches compared to Mormeck?

It's impossible to tell.

It LOOKS like Enzo punches very hard indeed, but it's not hard to look like a big puncher when you are smacking complete bums.

Enzo is a Werren fighter. I have a natural distrust and dislike of all Werren fighters with the recent exception of Calzaghe. They always fight bums. And that is why I want to see him ICED.

However, Haye definitely has a suspect chin, and even if Mac only hits hard, then he is live. Haye holds his left hand so damn low it's like he is inviting someone to whack him in his fragile chops. :doh:

[Hut*Hut]

fuck Haye has some physique, Im quite jealous. Can't wait for this one...this is basically what heavyweight boxing used to be - two 210lb men in pristine physical condition coming to knock each other the fuck out:cheer: :cheer:

And I can't understand what makes people think Haye can't compete at heavyweight. An in shape 220lb man who punches like a motherfucker sounds like exactly what this shit stink division needs to me.

[Attraction]

david dearon haye used to post in the british forum of eastsideboxing.com. he once mentioned the forum live on BBC after a fight!!

[REEDsART]

Physiques DON'T Win Boxing Matches, but SHEESH!!!...If they DID, Haye would KO Macaroni N the 1st Round...


REED:lol:

[whiskey]

Physiques DON'T Win Boxing Matches, but SHEESH!!!...If they DID, Haye would KO Macaroni N the 1st Round...


REED:lol:

Tell me about it, he looks freakish. :eek:

[mexican wedding shirt]

It's impossible to tell.

It LOOKS like Enzo punches very hard indeed, but it's not hard to look like a big puncher when you are smacking complete bums.

Enzo is a Werren fighter. I have a natural distrust and dislike of all Werren fighters with the recent exception of Calzaghe. They always fight bums. And that is why I want to see him ICED.

However, Haye definitely has a suspect chin, and even if Mac only hits hard, then he is live. Haye holds his left hand so damn low it's like he is inviting someone to whack him in his fragile chops. :doh:

Yup, Enzo being a Frunk Werren fighter is one of the reasons why I want to see him sparked. His welshness and annoying face don't help either.

And Haye is an exciting fighter, a big puncher who'll fight anyone. He's likeable.

Although he IS chinny, no doubt. That's why I was pondering about Enzo's power. I can't really tell how hard he can punch, but in the Braithwaite fight for example, he didn't look like a monster puncher to me. If anything I would say Mormeck has a bit more power. Mormeck wasn't a banger, but a solid puncher.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Tell me about it, he looks freakish. :eek:

Indeed. Looks like he has gotten his share of "ripped fuel"

[valdosta]

Yup, Enzo being a Frunk Werren fighter is one of the reasons why I want to see him sparked. His welshness and annoying face don't help either.

And Haye is an exciting fighter, a big puncher who'll fight anyone. He's likeable.

Although he IS chinny, no doubt. That's why I was pondering about Enzo's power. I can't really tell how hard he can punch, but in the Braithwaite fight for example, he didn't look like a monster puncher to me. If anything I would say Mormeck has a bit more power. Mormeck wasn't a banger, but a solid puncher.

Nah, Mac hits harder than Mormeck by a good bit. His 1 punch KO over Dominguez (who is durable as hell), was a very impressive ending.

[ArturoGatti]

Yup, Enzo being a Frunk Werren fighter is one of the reasons why I want to see him sparked. His welshness and annoying face don't help either.

And Haye is an exciting fighter, a big puncher who'll fight anyone. He's likeable.

Although he IS chinny, no doubt. That's why I was pondering about Enzo's power. I can't really tell how hard he can punch, but in the Braithwaite fight for example, he didn't look like a monster puncher to me. If anything I would say Mormeck has a bit more power. Mormeck wasn't a banger, but a solid puncher.He does have that doucheness about him, doesen't he.

[Hut*Hut]

I've had a complete change of heart on this one after watching Maccarinelli vs Braithwaite - I expect Enzo to win handily now. I didn't realize how much he had improved under Calzaghe, he looks almost as good as Joe and very, very similar stylistically. World class jab, fantastic use of range, great variety of short and long shots from unusual angles. And he looks composed as well. I think Haye's gonna get fucked up & dominated here.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Wow, you really think so Hut?

I watched the braithwaite fight the other day, and he is a bit better than I thought, but I didn't come away mightily impressed, or thinking he was near Calzaghe's level.

I was more impressed with Haye's come from behind KO over the superior Mormeck.

[mexican wedding shirt]

He does have that doucheness about him, doesen't he.

Doucheness, yes :lol:

[TFK]

The ref did a pretty crappy job there, but I don't think it would've mattered.

TFK

[ElTerriblee]

The ref did a pretty crappy job there, but I don't think it would've mattered.

TFK

How? Enzo was fucked. Haye will win a heavyweight title 100% and he wouldn´t have drecked Ibragimov for 12 rounds.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Yeah, Enzo was done, no doubt.

[meetthefeebles]

Well, I hate to say I told people so, but FUCK. Enzo got as exposed as any Werren fighter I can recall. He was totally outclassed...

Haye is live at HW. That right hand will carry the extra weight. I'm sure of that.

[whiskey]

Yeah, Enzo was done, no doubt.

Big time.

[meetthefeebles]

The ref did a pretty crappy job there, but I don't think it would've mattered.

TFK

What? Enzo was using the turnbuckle to keep himself up. He was gone.

The ref actually wandered over to berate Haye when he should have been counting Enzo out. The count would have been at about 14 when he finally turned up and saw Mac wobbling about the place...

[Rabid Kimba]

I've had a complete change of heart on this one after watching Maccarinelli vs Braithwaite - I expect Enzo to win handily now. I didn't realize how much he had improved under Calzaghe, he looks almost as good as Joe and very, very similar stylistically. World class jab, fantastic use of range, great variety of short and long shots from unusual angles. And he looks composed as well. I think Haye's gonna get fucked up & dominated here.

:lol:

[His_Royness]

:lol:


damn lol... hut hut musta taken my advice... :lol:

[whiskey]

I'm going to sue Haye for stealing my physique.

[valdosta]

Well, I hate to say I told people so, but FUCK. Enzo got as exposed as any Werren fighter I can recall. He was totally outclassed...

Haye is live at HW. That right hand will carry the extra weight. I'm sure of that.

Huh? you said the fight was basically 50-50:nono:

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24026&page=2&highlight=haye

[boxerpuncher]

Is that Enzo guy going to be on the next season of dancing with the stars. He and Zab Judah should be.

[meetthefeebles]

Huh? you said the fight was basically 50-50:nono:

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24026&page=2&highlight=haye

Reread that post and my prediction for the fight, along with almost every post I have made in respect of this fight.

My 50-50 comments were from a BETTING perspective. I said that whoever landed first would win. That's what made it a 50-50 fight in betting terms. And I was right. Haye landed first. And he won.

Also recall that I said that I though Haye would win but the ODDS on a MAC win were good. I didn't say that I'd be picking him.

Only today, I said that I hoped and thought Enzo would get ICED. Should I post the numerous threads and posts in which I said this? :dunno:

MTF

[Rabid Kimba]

Good stoppage...Maccarinelli was outta his feet.

:bears:

[mexican wedding shirt]

Just in case we forget quickly - TFK insinuated that was a quick stoppage :lol:

[Joe King]

Physiques DON'T Win Boxing Matches, but SHEESH!!!...If they DID, Haye would KO Macaroni N the 1st Round...


REED:lol:

Pretty close!!!:bears: :bears: :bears:

[Rabid Kimba]

Haye has that suspect chin because of his KO loss to 40-year-old Thompson...but the fucker is quick and punches like a mule. He can certainly do something as a heavyweight considering all the giant slow motherfuckers out there right now.

[Rabid Kimba]

Just in case we forget quickly - TFK insinuated that was a quick stoppage :lol:

:laughing:

[Octopus]

Boy that Macaroni dude was fucking complete bum!!:lol:

Good win for Haye,I guess?? Don't know cause I've never seen either of these guys till tonight!!

[Joe King]

Haye has that suspect chin because of his KO loss to 40-year-old Thompson...but the fucker is quick and punches like a mule. He can certainly do something as a heavyweight considering all the giant slow motherfuckers out there right now.

Haye was more gassed than KO'd.

[meetthefeebles]

Boy that Macaroni dude was fucking complete bum!!:lol:

Good win for Haye,I guess?? Don't know cause I've never seen either of these guys till tonight!!

Mac has looked very impressive until tonight. He pretty much hammered Braithwaite, albeit that he was shot to bits.

Either way, the odds-makers thought this was a pretty even fight, and a lot of people in the UK thought Mac would win...

This was an excellent win for Haye :bears:

[Rabid Kimba]

Maccarinelli admitted the stoppage was solid after seeing the footage himself.

[meetthefeebles]

Haye was more gassed than KO'd.

Yup. He basically punched himself out. By the time he went down, it was like Benn-Watson: he was absolutely fucked.

A lot has been made of the whole 'stamina' thing, but it is overblown IMO. He hardly looked gassed when he was smashing Mormeck out in round seven when they fought, did he?

[meetthefeebles]

Maccarinelli admitted the stoppage was solid after seeing the footage himself.

Shame his legs weren't...

[ElTerriblee]

The goof deserved it. He said Haye should stop hiding and fighting bums after Haye had just knocked out the cruiserweight champ Mormeck is his own backyard Paris, while Enzo had just beaten Dennis Hobson. :doh:

[Buddy Rydell]

Wow, that was a display of wicked handspeed at cruiserweight. That was somet of the best handspeed I've ever seen at that weight. Haye is fantastically athletic! :clap: :clap: :clap:

[steve_dave]

What? Enzo was using the turnbuckle to keep himself up. He was gone.

The ref actually wandered over to berate Haye when he should have been counting Enzo out. The count would have been at about 14 when he finally turned up and saw Mac wobbling about the place...

I would argue that Enzo was down when he first fell in to the ropes. I thought the ref should have given him a count at that point.

Obviously, he was too hurt to continue... but the ref looked like he was brand new. He was terrible.

[Tam Tam]

Yeah, the ref was shocking. That was a shitty call on the knockdown and it lead to Enzo taking a fucking pasting in the corner, when the ref should have been counting him at the time. It would have avoided that last right hand landing on Macca and thats the one that drugged him so good.

[steve_dave]

Yeah, the ref was shocking. That was a shitty call on the knockdown and it lead to Enzo taking a fucking pasting in the corner, when the ref should have been counting him at the time. It would have avoided that last right hand landing on Macca and thats the one that drugged him so good.

That's not to suggest the result changes. I just wanted to see a little more fight. :lol:

But I agree with you completely.

[Hut*Hut]

I've had a complete change of heart on this one after watching Maccarinelli vs Braithwaite - I expect Enzo to win handily now. I didn't realize how much he had improved under Calzaghe, he looks almost as good as Joe and very, very similar stylistically. World class jab, fantastic use of range, great variety of short and long shots from unusual angles. And he looks composed as well. I think Haye's gonna get fucked up & dominated here.

:lol: Just goes to show what I know. Composed my ass, he totally froze in there. Credit to Haye though, if he's matched right he's gonna be heavyweight boxing's next superstar. Speed, power, reach, reflex', he has allot of weapons. And talk about charisma, this guy might well be the most interviewable boxer since Ali, I can well imagine him on Letterman & Leno going down extremely well. He's everything Audley Harrison sorely wishes he was. Lets just hope he doesn't take moving up to heavyweight as a license to eat chocolate eclairs and balloon up to 245 like the rest of the fucking shit heel division. He really has no reason to go above 220, IMO. He hits plenty hard enough as it is - he needs to keep enough speed to deliver it . He seems like the vain sort - hopefully that'll work in his favour.

[TKO]

yeah congrats to haye, I still dont like the guy and look forward to seeing him KO'd.

[salaco]

War Haye! I thought Enzo might have been able to hang in there and absorb early pressure but I thought haye's handspeed and power would shock him...bad day for Orthodox, at least Liverpool kept up...

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Haye's right hand is among the best in the game. It travels very quickly and has huge power behind it

[salaco]

:lol: Just goes to show what I know. Composed my ass, he totally froze in there. Credit to Haye though, if he's matched right he's gonna be heavyweight boxing's next superstar. Speed, power, reach, reflex', he has allot of weapons. And talk about charisma, this guy might well be the most interviewable boxer since Ali, I can well imagine him on Letterman & Leno going down extremely well. He's everything Audley Harrison sorely wishes he was. Lets just hope he doesn't take moving up to heavyweight as a license to eat chocolate eclairs and balloon up to 245 like the rest of the fucking shit heel division. He really has no reason to go above 220, IMO. He hits plenty hard enough as it is - he needs to keep enough speed to deliver it . He seems like the vain sort - hopefully that'll work in his favour.

ha ha Fraudley, I wouldn't mind haye taking on fraudley as a HW tune-up at all

[meetthefeebles]

I would argue that Enzo was down when he first fell in to the ropes. I thought the ref should have given him a count at that point.

Obviously, he was too hurt to continue... but the ref looked like he was brand new. He was terrible.

I also thought that, as it goes. I said as much as I watched it.

Where the hell was he when Enzo got KTFO? As Mac was staggering around doing a CW version of the chicken dance, desperately waiting for someone to come and count him out, the ref was wayyyy too busy trying to make sure Haye was in the neutral corner. I think I counted about 12 before the ref got over and started counting...:doh:

However, my post was in relation to TFK's. He insinuated that the ref should have let Enzo fight on...

[TKO]

War Haye! I thought Enzo might have been able to hang in there and absorb early pressure but I thought haye's handspeed and power would shock him...bad day for Orthodox, at least Liverpool kept up...

:lol: Torres is looking more and more like player of the year!!

This fight was always going to be decided by who could land first and clean, and I hate to admit it but Haye looked somewhat faster than my boy Enzo last night.

[mexican wedding shirt]

:lol: Just goes to show what I know. Composed my ass, he totally froze in there. Credit to Haye though, if he's matched right he's gonna be heavyweight boxing's next superstar. Speed, power, reach, reflex', he has allot of weapons. And talk about charisma, this guy might well be the most interviewable boxer since Ali, I can well imagine him on Letterman & Leno going down extremely well. He's everything Audley Harrison sorely wishes he was. Lets just hope he doesn't take moving up to heavyweight as a license to eat chocolate eclairs and balloon up to 245 like the rest of the fucking shit heel division. He really has no reason to go above 220, IMO. He hits plenty hard enough as it is - he needs to keep enough speed to deliver it . He seems like the vain sort - hopefully that'll work in his favour.

Yep, not only can he fight unlike Fraudley, but he is a genuinely likeable guy, and comes across as natural etc. Audley is just a tool and a fraud.

[TKO]

I also thought that, as it goes. I said as much as I watched it.

Where the hell was he when Enzo got KTFO? As Mac was staggering around doing a CW version of the chicken dance, desperately waiting for someone to come and count him out, the ref was wayyyy too busy trying to make sure Haye was in the neutral corner. I think I counted about 12 before the ref got over and started counting...:doh:

However, my post was in relation to TFK's. He insinuated that the ref should have let Enzo fight on...

Ridiculous....I was all for Enzo as you know but I wouldnt have complained if the ref stopped it when he first staggered against the ropes. He was clearly gone.

[mexican wedding shirt]

:lol: Torres is looking more and more like player of the year!!

This fight was always going to be decided by who could land first and clean, and I hate to admit it but Haye looked somewhat faster than my boy Enzo last night.

Somewhat faster? :lol:

He looked much faster, and much more powerful. Enzo didn't stand a chance in there.

[TKO]

Somewhat faster? :lol:

He looked much faster, and much more powerful. Enzo didn't stand a chance in there.


Maybe I'm reaching a little to far, such is my dislike of the "haymaker" :lol:

[meetthefeebles]

Ridiculous....I was all for Enzo as you know but I wouldnt have complained if the ref stopped it when he first staggered against the ropes. He was clearly gone.

Agreed entirely. To describe that stoppage as anything other than 'a stoppage which potentially allows a man to fight another day' is insane. Enzo was staggering all over the shop for a full twenty seconds or so. He was OUT.

[meetthefeebles]

Maybe I'm reaching a little to far, such is my dislike of the "haymaker" :lol:

Your hate betrays you TKO... :lol:

[TKO]

Agreed entirely. To describe that stoppage as anything other than 'a stoppage which potentially allows a man to fight another day' is insane. Enzo was staggering all over the shop for a full twenty seconds or so. He was OUT.


Was that the zab dance he was trying to pull off..:lol:

[mexican wedding shirt]

How come you hate the Hayemaker so much TKO? I fnid him pretty likeable.

A zillion times more likeable than Fraudley. He can fight too, which helps.

[TKO]

Your hate betrays you TKO... :lol:


I know its consuming me..:lol:

I'd love to say that Wlad will sort him out but after his last fight I cant see it.

What will the rest of the HW guys think when they have to fight a guy that actually trains for a fight...

[meetthefeebles]

Was that the zab dance he was trying to pull off..:lol:

I swear, I was watching the fight at my brother's with him and some mates, and all of them had small wagers with me against David (seen too many ITV promotions. I told them so... :lol:) and immediately after I'd stopped laughing at them all for being so dumb as to swallow Werren's crap (three of them bet me and hadn't even seen Haye fight... :doh: ), one of them accused Mac of doing the Chicken Dance ala Zab (with a few insults about having had his head rippped off thrown in...).

Even moolies who don't even watch that much boxing recognised the similarities... :lol:

[TKO]

How come you hate the Hayemaker so much TKO? I fnid him pretty likeable.

A zillion times more likeable than Fraudley. He can fight too, which helps.


Fraudley was a complete idiot and proved that in every interview, I gotta say Im coming around to the Haye Maker, I was just a bigger fan of Enzo but I wish Haye all the best in the HW division.

BTW he eats organic fish!

[meetthefeebles]

How come you hate the Hayemaker so much TKO? I fnid him pretty likeable.

A zillion times more likeable than Fraudley. He can fight too, which helps.

Don't mention that fucktard here again please Mex. This is supposed to be a boxing forum...

[TKO]

I swear, I was watching the fight at my brother's with him and some mates, and all of them had small wagers with me against David (seen too many ITV promotions. I told them so... :lol:) and immediately after I'd stopped laughing at them all for being so dumb as to swallow Werren's crap (three of them bet me and hadn't even seen Haye fight... :doh: ), one of them accused Mac of doing the Chicken Dance ala Zab (with a few insults about having had his head rippped off thrown in...).

Even moolies who don't even watch that much boxing recognised the similarities... :lol:

My first thought also....

As for Enzo I think he is now in a similiar position to Kessler, clearly beaten by the best in the division but can still go on to be the best CW in the future..

[meetthefeebles]

My first thought also....

As for Enzo I think he is now in a similiar position to Kessler, clearly beaten by the best in the division but can still go on to be the best CW in the future..

Maybe, though as I said elsewhere, I actually think Cunningham has a good chance of beating Enzo now. I didn't think so a few days ago.

He took a pretty comprehensive loss in there- the first real shot that hit him effectively finished him. That's not a good sign. Haye hits very hard with that right, but I'm not sure he hits MILES and MILES harder than the other top CW's.

Enzo has definitely improved under Enzo Calz, but a weakness around the whiskers is a major weakness, and no beating bums and keeping his hands high can help when someone cracks the chin.

I still think he's No2 @ CW, but he has even more to prove today than he ever has. No more bums. No more protected shit. He had his big shot, blew it and now has to do it again properly.

MTF

[ArturoGatti]

video of the whole fight:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=beSvupzdMMY

[ArturoGatti]

what was that moon/star on Haye's trunks last night? What is his ethnic background? Just wondering.

[whiskey]

what was that moon/star on Haye's trunks last night? What is his ethnic background? Just wondering.

I'm not sure but it looked like the symbol on the Turkish flag.

http://www.appliedlanguage.com/flags_of_the_world/large_flag_of_turkey.gif

[meetthefeebles]

what was that moon/star on Haye's trunks last night? What is his ethnic background? Just wondering.

Something to do with Cyprus, apparently...

[ArturoGatti]

I bet Rainmaker is a fan now. :rolleyes:

[meetthefeebles]

I'm not sure but it looked like the symbol on the Turkish flag.

http://www.appliedlanguage.com/flags_of_the_world/large_flag_of_turkey.gif

Yeah, the missus (who is half Turkish) said that straight away. I think Haye has Cypriot ancestry or similar, hence the Cyprus reference...

[whiskey]

I bet Rainmaker is a fan now. :rolleyes:

You can bank on that. :lol:

[ArturoGatti]

so why would he have a turkish flag? if he has cypriot ancestry, that would mean he's greek.

[dsimon3387]

dsimon writes:

He isn't Euro-Afro, or Euro carib?

[meetthefeebles]

so why would he have a turkish flag? if he has cypriot ancestry, that would mean he's greek.

Fuck knows mate. You know what those Greeks are like... :lol:

[whiskey]

Yeah, the missus (who is half Turkish) said that straight away. I think Haye has Cypriot ancestry or similar, hence the Cyprus reference...

Apparently this is the "Northern Turkish Cyprus" flag.

http://www.flagfocus.info/worldflags-large/flag-CyprusTurk.GIF

[mexican wedding shirt]

Haye is part Northern Cypriot. I think his other side is Caribbean.

[REEDsART]

w/Out Question, David Haye has STAR QUALITY...He's Got the STYLE, the PERSONALITY & the LOOK to B a "Crossover" Type...

The Onus is On Him to Continue WINNING...



REED:cool:

[Mitchell Kane]

w/Out Question, David Haye has STAR QUALITY...He's Got the STYLE, the PERSONALITY & the LOOK to B a "Crossover" Type...

The Onus is On Him to Continue WINNING...



REED:cool:

Haye appears to bring some qualities lacking in a lot of top heavyweights...it's not out of the question he has success like Brewster managed.

I'd like to see him in with a gatekeeper like Golota or Rahman later this year...or maybe a prospect like Arreola.

[Hut*Hut]

He's living & training in cyprus now. Better weather, better food, less distractions he says. Don't know if he's part Cypriot or not.

[Hut*Hut]

w/Out Question, David Haye has STAR QUALITY...He's Got the STYLE, the PERSONALITY & the LOOK to B a "Crossover" Type...

The Onus is On Him to Continue WINNING...



REED:cool:

I AGREE with REED on THIS one. HAYE could BE a BIG star I think IF he KEEPS his HEAD screwed ON and KEEPS training LIKE a PRO and doesn't START munching ON the PIES. :rolleyes:

[mexican wedding shirt]

He's living & training in cyprus now. Better weather, better food, less distractions he says. Don't know if he's part Cypriot or not.

I didn't know that, that he lived there now, I thought he was part Cypriot.

To be honest I really think he should live in the UK, he'll get significantly more support. If he lives/trains in Cyprus, he might turn into another Lewis, where the Brits don't really accept him as a proper Brit.

[Hut*Hut]

I didn't know that, that he lived there now, I thought he was part Cypriot.

To be honest I really think he should live in the UK, he'll get significantly more support. If he lives/trains in Cyprus, he might turn into another Lewis, where the Brits don't really accept him as a proper Brit.

maybe...I think he'll be alright though. He isn't gonna be competing for Cyprus or coming back with some half baked affected English/Cypriot drawl, plus he's about 756 billion times more charismatic than Lewis which'll help.:lol: I think people will just interpret it as being a training base.

Personally I think it sounds like a great idea....all that sun, fresh air, fresh fish, organic food, laid back lifestyle. Sounds extremely healthy and good for an athlete.

[His_Royness]

Reread that post and my prediction for the fight, along with almost every post I have made in respect of this fight.

My 50-50 comments were from a BETTING perspective. I said that whoever landed first would win. That's what made it a 50-50 fight in betting terms. And I was right. Haye landed first. And he won.


:laughing: :laughing:


What the fuck is the difference from a betting perspective and the actual prognosis of a fight... :doh: :notallthere:

[mexican wedding shirt]

maybe...I think he'll be alright though. He isn't gonna be competing for Cyprus or coming back with some half baked affected English/Cypriot drawl, plus he's about 756 billion times more charismatic than Lewis which'll help.:lol: I think people will just interpret it as being a training base.

Personally I think it sounds like a great idea....all that sun, fresh air, fresh fish, organic food, laid back lifestyle. Sounds extremely healthy and good for an athlete.

Oh it should be great for him yeah. Less distractions, more peaceful etc.

And you're right, he is 100 times more likeable than Lewis.

[Barristan]

He's living & training in cyprus now. Better weather, better food, less distractions he says. Don't know if he's part Cypriot or not.
He trained in Maimi for this fight

[r o o s t e r]

he has a small head for a heavyweight

[ArturoGatti]

he has a small head for a heavyweighti bet he has a small penis, too. :crafty:

[Mean Mr Mustard]

i bet he has a small penis, too. :crafty:
WTF? :lol:

[ArturoGatti]

WTF? :lol:for a heavyweight, i mean. :dunno:

[Mean Mr Mustard]

for a heavyweight, i mean. :dunno:
Don't be shrugging your shoulders at me, sonny. :nono:

[Ugotabe Kidding]

for a heavyweight, i mean. :dunno:

But probably also more straight and accurate compared to the "big boys"

[ArturoGatti]

:lol: :bears: :lol:

[Mean Mr Mustard]

But probably also more straight and accurate compared to the "big boys"Whose kok would you rather take:
a) Klitschko
b) Haye

:dunno:

[dsimon3387]

dsimon writes:

haye looks like Dempsey in there. Good head movement and even on his jab he is shiftig his weight fowards to hit with power. This kid is a heavyweight make no mistake about it. Whether he is a good one or not time will tell. I think he is what the heavyweight division needs.

He really looks like Dempsey and that ain't a bad pedegree!

[Mean Mr Mustard]

dsimon writes:

haye looks like Dempsey in there. Good head movement and even on his jab he is shiftig his weight fowards to hit with power. This kid is a heavyweight make no mistake about it. Whether he is a good one or not time will tell. I think he is what the heavyweight division needs.

He really looks like Dempsey and that ain't a bad pedegree!
David Haye:
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/dempsey-in-corner.jpg

Jack Dempsey:
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00062/a_62894a.jpg

[lb 4 lb]

I think to be a successful HW Haye needs to take a page from Holyfield. He seems to have the toughness, strength, and power. I think he's less skilled then Holy but he seems more talented. The big question with him is his chin. I imagine it's pretty good going off of some of the guys he's beaten, but is it HW good?

Cunningham was on boxingtalk calling out Haye for disrespecting him and claims Haye is nothing more than an underskilled brawler whom he would disect.

[mexican wedding shirt]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[mexican wedding shirt]

Haye looks JUST like Jack Dempsey. When he was coming to the ring on saturday, for a few seconds I thought they were replaying an old dempsey fight to wet our appetites.

[REEDsART]

I think to be a successful HW Haye needs to take a page from Holyfield. He seems to have the toughness, strength, and power. I think he's less skilled then Holy but he seems more talented. The big question with him is his chin. I imagine it's pretty good going off of some of the guys he's beaten, but is it HW good?

Cunningham was on boxingtalk calling out Haye for disrespecting him and claims Haye is nothing more than an underskilled brawler whom he would disect.It'd B NICE if Haye Stayed @ Crusier Loooooooooong Enough to TOTALLY Unify...


REED:cool:

[salaco]

I'd put Haye-Cunningham along with Lennox Lewis-John Ruiz, a unification fight I didn't/don't need to see...

Whats funniest is that Johnny Nelson is now calling him out :lol: :
http://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=boxing/08/03/11/manual_103115.html

No chance son

[mexican wedding shirt]

I'd put Haye-Cunningham along with Lennox Lewis-John Ruiz, a unification fight I didn't/don't need to see...

Whats funniest is that Johnny Nelson is now calling him out :lol: :
http://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=boxing/08/03/11/manual_103115.html

No chance son

That's a fight I really would love to see. I've despised Nelson for years, years I've been waiting for him to be brutally KO'd.

Hayemaker is the man for the job.

[salaco]

That's a fight I really would love to see. I've despised Nelson for years, years I've been waiting for him to be brutally KO'd.

Hayemaker is the man for the job.

Obviously Nelson is missing the attention and it bites him a little to see Haye being feted..its his own fault for being happy to just collect the paychecks after each meaningless WBO title fight, he never tried to make a unification fight and ducked out when he saw that maccarinelli was being groomed to take his seat, even though I think even geriatric nelson would have given enzo problems

[dsimon3387]

David Haye:
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/dempsey-in-corner.jpg

Jack Dempsey:
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00062/a_62894a.jpg

dsimon writes:

:lol: :lol:

Walter Matheau once played a Turkish Hitman from Detroit :lol:

[lb 4 lb]

I'd put Haye-Cunningham along with Lennox Lewis-John Ruiz, a unification fight I didn't/don't need to see...

What's funny about that is that Ruiz would constantly say how Lewis was scared of him and was ducking him :lol: . Chris Byrd was saying the same thing too. I was so glad Lennox didn't waste our times matching against those 2 for easy wins and easy paydays. It's a shame Lewis doesn't/didn't get the accolades & love he should have when a guy like Roy Jones was going above and beyond to find the easiest fights he could. Damn shame.

[ArturoGatti]

What's funny about that is that Ruiz would constantly say how Lewis was scared of him and was ducking him :lol: . Chris Byrd was saying the same thing too. I was so glad Lennox didn't waste our times matching against those 2 for easy wins and easy paydays. It's a shame Lewis doesn't/didn't get the accolades & love he should have when a guy like Roy Jones was going above and beyond to find the easiest fights he could. Damn shame.:bears:

[meetthefeebles]

I think to be a successful HW Haye needs to take a page from Holyfield. He seems to have the toughness, strength, and power. I think he's less skilled then Holy but he seems more talented. The big question with him is his chin. I imagine it's pretty good going off of some of the guys he's beaten, but is it HW good?

Cunningham was on boxingtalk calling out Haye for disrespecting him and claims Haye is nothing more than an underskilled brawler whom he would disect.

Haye would knock Steve spark out inside four rounds. A better matchup, in terms of CW 'superiority', would be Cunningham and Enzo IMO.

[meetthefeebles]

That's a fight I really would love to see. I've despised Nelson for years, years I've been waiting for him to be brutally KO'd.

Hayemaker is the man for the job.

Ditto.

I almost dislike him as much as I dislike Sven Ottke. That's a HELL of a lot of dislike... :flip:

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Herbie Hide - David Haye could be the next great cruiserweight fight. Hide is fightinng tonight against Rudiger May who is probably the most boring fighter in the world. He is like Ottke but much worse. After Hide destroys him, the two British bombers should go for each other

[meetthefeebles]

I'd put Haye-Cunningham along with Lennox Lewis-John Ruiz, a unification fight I didn't/don't need to see...

Whats funniest is that Johnny Nelson is now calling him out :lol: :
http://www.sportinglife.com/boxing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=boxing/08/03/11/manual_103115.html

No chance son

"Johnny Nelson says he would come out of retirement to take on cruiserweight king David Haye.

The 41-year-old was in the crowd at the O2 Arena on Saturday to see the Hayemaker dismantle Enzo Maccarinelli inside two rounds.

That victory saw the 27-year-old Londoner add the WBO cruiserweight title to the WBC and WBA belts he already had in his possession.

It was also expected to be his last fight at the 200lbs limit before stepping into the heavyweight division, a move he confirmed straight after stopping Maccarinelli.

Nelson - who held the WBO strap for more than seven years before injuries forced him to hang up his gloves - was impressed by Haye so much he would consider climbing back in between the ropes to take on his fellow Brit. :laughing:

"I was really impressed with David's performance at the weekend," he told skysports.com. "I want to take nothing away from his achievements because he boxed so well.

"It's because it was such an excellent performance that I have been thinking about coming back and fighting again. :laughing:

"He would be the only opponent that would make me come out of retirement and return to action.

"He's on about boxing at heavyweight but I wonder if he would change his mind if he knew this fight was on the table?" :laughing:

Nelson admits he would need some time to get himself back into the physical condition required to take on Haye."

Absolutely delusional... :laughing:

[Tam Tam]

Haye would knock Steve spark out inside four rounds. A better matchup, in terms of CW 'superiority', would be Cunningham and Enzo IMO.
No. Enzo shouldn't be within kooee of a fight with that moniker for a long time. Mormeck, Bell, Cunningham...and soon, Alexseev. Those are elite cruisers. Enzo is a borderline contender/garbage man.

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Herbie Hide - David Haye could be the next great cruiserweight fight. Hide is fightinng tonight against Rudiger May who is probably the most boring fighter in the world. He is like Ottke but much worse. After Hide destroys him, the two British bombers should go for each other
Why would Haye, the next great heavyweight, even contemplate thinking of fighting someone who:
a) Was at his, ahem, 'peak', 12 years ago
b) is chinny
c) is shit
d) is a rapist

Re-think and then repost, idiot.


Thanks.
:popcorn:

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Why would Haye, the next great heavyweight, even contemplate thinking of fighting someone who:
a) Was at his, ahem, 'peak', 12 years ago
b) is chinny
c) is shit
d) is a rapist

Re-think and then repost, idiot.


Thanks.
:popcorn:

Sure Haye doesn't "have to" fight anyone. Sure he can go up to heavyweight. Hell, he can retire if he wants to, you are absolutely right, idiot.

To me the most interesting fight fo him at cruiser would be against Hide and I do think that the fight would create more interest than any other at cruiser, considering Hide is a two-time heavyweight champ. After all, isn't that the kinds of reasons fights are made?

Btw. Hide won his fight in two rounds as Haye did:cheer:

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Sure Haye doesn't "have to" fight anyone. Sure he can go up to heavyweight. Hell, he can retire if he wants to, you are absolutely right, idiot.

To me the most interesting fight fo him at cruiser would be against Hide and I do think that the fight would create more interest than any other at cruiser, considering Hide is a two-time heavyweight champ. After all, isn't that the kinds of reasons fights are made?

Btw. Hide won his fight in two rounds as Haye did:cheer:
Haye is done with 190lb.
It's a transitional division for him....

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Haye is done with 190lb.
It's a transitional division for him....

I bet he is. The limit of cruiserweights these days is 200 lbs btw. Great fan you are :tease:

[Mean Mr Mustard]

I bet he is. The limit of cruiserweights these days is 200 lbs btw. Great fan you are :tease:When did it move up 10lb?? :dunno:

[mexican wedding shirt]

A few years ago.

[His_Royness]

Jesus... :eek: :laughing:

[Mean Mr Mustard]

:lol:

[REEDsART]

When did it move up 10lb?? :dunno:Jean-Marc Mormeck vs Wayne Braithwaite was the 1st Fight w/the INCREASED weight Limit...


REED:cool:

[holler]

Just caught the fight (first time I've seen Haye fight). No homo, but damn Haye is fucking ripped. I don't even think a prime RJJ had abs like that. Dude definitely has the look and personality to be a crossover star, but keeping his hands low (despite his decent head movement) is gonna spell disaster for him as a heavyweight.

[whiskey]

Jean-Marc Mormeck vs Wayne Braithwaite was the 1st Fight w/the INCREASED weight Limit...


REED:cool:

I think the change to the cruiser weight limit was bad for Braithewaite. Not to say if it stayed at 190 Big Truck would have won, but i think it affected the rest of his career as well.

[His_Royness]

Just caught the fight (first time I've seen Haye fight). No homo, but damn Haye is fucking ripped. I don't even think a prime RJJ had abs like that.



i dunno man u decide

http://www.point-spreads.com/images/stories/roy-jones-jr-boxer.jpg

http://images.contentreserve.com/ImageType-100/1096-1/{FE8AA50F-7643-4C3A-AB7A-799B681B0279}Img100.jpg

http://fightbeat.com/images/news_images/3248.jpg


Haye's are a bit more bulky because of the higher weight class but Roy's are even more shredded and ripped with less body fat... though haye's was also extremely low at the weigh in.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Haye has better definition though. Roy's abs have always been all fucked up and wonky :lol:

[mexican wedding shirt]

I think the change to the cruiser weight limit was bad for Braithewaite. Not to say if it stayed at 190 Big Truck would have won, but i think it affected the rest of his career as well.

So what are you trying to say then? That Braithwaite would have won if it was at 190?

[ArturoGatti]

Haye has better definition though. Roy's abs have always been all fucked up and wonky :lol:i agree. if i was gay, i would not find roy's body attractive.

[REEDsART]

Haye has better definition though. Roy's abs have always been all fucked up and wonky :lol:PRIME RJ had UNGODLY Abs & LEAN Definition...Deeeeeeeeeper Abs & MORE Definition than Haye...

Haye has a More NATURAL Look w/BULKIER Definition...Not Sure if it's "Better" or "Worse", just Different...

Put it like this, it's EASIER to Attain Haye's Physique than it is to Attain Roy's...Roy Jones is AS RIPPED & LEAN as a 168-175 Man can HOPE to B, whereas Haye's Look is IMPRESSIVE, but Not All that UNcommon for a World Class Athlete...



REED:cool:

[REEDsART]

i agree. if i was gay, i would not find roy's body attractive.What about David Haye's Penis???:dunno:


REED:lol:

[ArturoGatti]

What about David Haye's Penis???:dunno:


REED:lol::nono:

it's probably smallish for a wannabe hw.

[REEDsART]

I think the change to the cruiser weight limit was bad for Braithewaite. Not to say if it stayed at 190 Big Truck would have won, but i think it affected the rest of his career as well.There's Probably SOME Truth to That....

If REED Remembers Correctly, Braithwaite DIDN'T Stray Far ABOVE 190 @ the Weigh-In, but Mormeck was Right @ 200...Mormeck was CLEARLY STRONGER when they Fought; the 1st Time REED EVER Saw a Crusier MANHANDLE Braithwaite Physically...


REED:cool:

[REEDsART]

:nono:

it's probably smallish for a wannabe hw.Makes Sense...

SMALLISH Heavyweight, SMALLISH Pee Pee...


REED:cool:

[His_Royness]

Haye has better definition though. Roy's abs have always been all fucked up and wonky :lol:


Haye's abs just happen to be perfectly symmetric whereas Roy's muscles aren't side by side. But make no mistake if you think Roy's definition is worse you probably don't know what it means in this context... :lol:

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Roid's body does indeed look more like supernatural than Haye's for whatever the reason.. Jones' biceps looked more astonishing as did his chest. If I could change physique with either, I'd pick Haye though

[REEDsART]

Roid's body does indeed look more like supernatural than Haye's for whatever the reason.. Jones' biceps looked more astonishing as did his chest. If I could change physique with either, I'd pick Haye though:rolleyes:

1 of these Days or YEARS, U'll Let the Shit Go...


REED:cool:

[mexican wedding shirt]

There's no doubt that Roy has bigger, more bulging abs.

I think what I really meant was Haye has nicer definition. Much neater etc. Like I said, Roy's are all insane looking :lol:

Huge though, for his size, without a doubt.

[Ugotabe Kidding]

:rolleyes:

1 of these Days or YEARS, U'll Let the Shit Go...


REED:cool:

Seriously, I don't have a clue about the reason.

Jones was on roids of course, but then again Haye is probably too :cool:

[REEDsART]

Seriously, I don't have a clue about the reason.

Jones was on roids of course, but then again Haye is probably too :cool:Jones Tested Positive for "Roids" ONCE, Of Course...So did his Opponent...

NEXT, U'll Say, "Surely, Roy Took Roids for MORE than 1 Fight, as Most Athletes Do"...

The PROBLEM Is, Roy Jones is THE ONLY Athelete U EVER Harp On...


REED:rolleyes:

[Ugotabe Kidding]

Jones Tested Positive for "Roids" ONCE, Of Course...So did his Opponent...

NEXT, U'll Say, "Surely, Roy Took Roids for MORE than 1 Fight, as Most Athletes Do"...

The PROBLEM Is, Roy Jones is THE ONLY Athelete U EVER Harp On...


REED:rolleyes:

Nope, he is not. I'd be willing to bet that Klitschkos, Lennox, Dariusz, pretty much everybody you want to name was on roids. The thing is, even though I liked these guys as fighters, I have no illusions about the state of professional athletes. Unlike some..

[REEDsART]

Nope, he is not. I'd be willing to bet that Klitschkos, Lennox, Dariusz, pretty much everybody you want to name was on roids. The thing is, even though I liked these guys as fighters, I have no illusions about the state of professional athletes. Unlike some..:rolleyes:

For every ONE Time U'll Name those Names, U'll Call "Roid" Jones Out 60 THOUSAND & 40 Times...

CLEARLY, U Pick & Choose who Receives the WRATH of your "Roid" Accusations...


REED:rolleyes:

[His_Royness]

There's no doubt that Roy has bigger, more bulging abs.

I think what I really meant was Haye has nicer definition. Much neater etc. Like I said, Roy's are all insane looking :lol:



i know what you mean... there even were a few guys in our forum creaming their pants from those weigh in pics...

And i have to admit i haven't seen a body like that on a boxer before... goes to show that Haye was a model for italian designers earlier in his life... :lol:

[ArturoGatti]

Makes Sense...

SMALLISH Heavyweight, SMALLISH Pee Pee...


REED:cool::lol:

[ArturoGatti]

:laughing: Roid's body does indeed look more like supernatural than Haye's for whatever the reason.. Jones' biceps looked more astonishing as did his chest. If I could change physique with either, I'd pick Haye though

[LOK]

:nono:

it's probably smallish for a wannabe hw.

would you rather have ROy's in your hands? or Hayes?:eeeek:

[LOK]

a Prime Herbie Hide KO's a Prime Lemmon Loser in 2 rounds

[Ugotabe Kidding]

a Prime Herbie Hide KO's a Prime Lemmon Loser in 2 rounds

Do you think Hide would have outsnaked him in the first?