This forum is slipping a bit, no one....

[esk59]

even mentions the best heavyweight on the planet right now.

I understand the heavyweight division is rather weak at the moment. But this just leaves it wide open for a new young talent to make a name for himself by cleaning it up.

A lot of threads about Calzaghe and Hopkins, Cotto and Margarito but nothing about the new star in the heavyweight division.

What is the matter with you guys? Do you even watch heavyweight boxing anymore or are you just into the little guys?

I want to know why no one mentions David Haye. This guy is on the verge of steam rolling through the heavyweight divison and not a peep has been heard about it here.

I OBJECT!

[REEDsART]

The Problem is, U've Made your Return to Fightbeat Well AFTER the Haye-Macaroni Bout...

There were PLENTY Of Threads Regarding that Particular Fight AND David Haye's Chances @ Heavyweight...



REED:cool:

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even mentions the best heavyweight on the planet right now.

I understand the heavyweight division is rather weak at the moment. But this just leaves it wide open for a new young talent to make a name for himself by cleaning it up.

A lot of threads about Calzaghe and Hopkins, Cotto and Margarito but nothing about the new star in the heavyweight division.

What is the matter with you guys? Do you even watch heavyweight boxing anymore or are you just into the little guys?

I want to know why no one mentions David Haye. This guy is on the verge of steam rolling through the heavyweight divison and not a peep has been heard about it here.

I OBJECT!

I like Haye, and with the state of the division I think he might fair pretty well at HW. Peter is somewhat exciting, but as far as the rest you can keep em.

[Explosivo]

There have been threads on Haye here esk. And I am hopeful for him as well as you are.

But I think we are jumping the gun a bit here. Wait and see how Haye handles a legitimate, experienced big heavyweight and let us go from there.

He has the tools....but he is still a major question mark for the heavyweight divisiion. I mean hell...look at JC Gomez, and he was a more dominant Cruiserwegiht than Haye has been.

[esk59]

I like Haye, and with the state of the division I think he might fair pretty well at HW. Peter is somewhat exciting, but as far as the rest you can keep em.

Peter is the one guy I think Haye should stay away from for the moment at least.

[*Z*]

Haye will get his china chin cracked at HW. Sure he can punch and he's young and exciting to watch, but his chin is supect for sure. You have to be able to take a punch to have success at HW. Everyone is big and they all hit hard.

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Peter is the one guy I think Haye should stay away from for the moment at least.

Yeah, I hope he takes a couple of lower level guys on at first. Give him some time to get used to the weight.

[esk59]

There have been threads on Haye here esk. And I am hopeful for him as well as you are.

But I think we are jumping the gun a bit here. Wait and see how Haye handles a legitimate, experienced big heavyweight and let us go from there.

He has the tools....but he is still a major question mark for the heavyweight divisiion. I mean hell...look at JC Gomez, and he was a more dominant Cruiserwegiht than Haye has been.

Gomez was good but how good of a boxer can you remain when you're a fall down drunk who likes to snort cocaine and parties his life away?

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Haye will get his china chin cracked at HW. Sure he can punch and he's young and exciting to watch, but his chin is supect for sure. You have to be able to take a punch to have success at HW. Everyone is big and they all hit hard.

Either way, he'll be exciting to watch.

[esk59]

Haye will get his china chin cracked at HW. Sure he can punch and he's young and exciting to watch, but his chin is supect for sure. You have to be able to take a punch to have success at HW. Everyone is big and they all hit hard.


I agree. You have to have a solid chin like Lennox Lewis or Wlad Klitschko to be successful at heavyweight.

[Explosivo]

Gomez was good but how good of a boxer can you remain when you're a fall down drunk who likes to snort cocaine and parties his life away?

Well,...he was verry dominant at Cruiserweight, but that didn't translate to success at the heavyweight division...for whatever reason.

I agree with you...Haye has the tools to hit the subpar heavyweight division like a lightening bolt.
But his chin is questionable....and his awesome power might not be the force at heavyweight that it is at Cruiserweight.

Just saying that it is too early to call the guy a sure hit at heavyweight, regardless of the shitty state of the division.

[*Z*]

Either way, he'll be exciting to watch.

Exactly. I'll watch him fight no doubt. I sure hope he isn't serious about getting in the ring with Wlad any time soon though. He should definitely take on a B level guy before jumping into the deep end.

[*Z*]

I agree. You have to have a solid chin like Lennox Lewis or Wlad Klitschko to be successful at heavyweight.

I forgot when LL or Wlad got KO'd by Carl Thompson.

Wlad and LL got KO'd by big punchers, not Carl Thompson.

[valdosta]

Haye's chin isn't questionable it sucks.

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another thread by another newbie who thinks that exciting is the same as succesful

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another thread by another newbie who thinks that exciting is the same as succesful

Haye isn't successful?

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Haye isn't successful?

So far in the heavyweight division, no. Beating Tomas Bonin does not quite do it.

He is clearly the best cruiser right now and very fun to watch, but that is whole different thing

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So far in the heavyweight division, no. Beating Tomas Bonin does not quite do it.

He is clearly the best cruiser right now and very fun to watch, but that is whole different thing

Ok, I misunderstood. He is a long ways away from proving himself at HW.

[*Z*]

So far in the heavyweight division, no. Beating Tomas Bonin does not quite do it.

He is clearly the best cruiser right now and very fun to watch, but that is whole different thing

He would clearly be the best Cruiser if he had beat Steve Cunningham before leaving the division.

[LOK]

I hope Haye dominates all!! he looks like he might be able to.. but we'll see..

does anyone know much about this other cat that Floyd SR is training now? I think he's samoan?

[Joe King]

What's with the annointing of fighters before they even have one fight in the division?

Just a few threads up or down is the Chris Byrd will rule light heavy thread.

[*Z*]

I hope Haye dominates all!! he looks like he might be able to.. but we'll see..

does anyone know much about this other cat that Floyd SR is training now? I think he's samoan?

I saw something about that guy. The new Tua? :lol: Let's hope not. The guy looks huge though.

[Neil]

haye is a decent cruiser but I doubt that soft beard of his could have withstood hard hittin henrys assault had they met at the 200lb limit.

[Attraction]

david deron haye will discombobulate the division

[meetthefeebles]

You've been away for a while. Perhaps you missed the guy in my sig???

[LOK]

You've been away for a while. Perhaps you missed the guy in my sig???

MTF.. I love your sig:lol:

[meetthefeebles]

He would clearly be the best Cruiser if he had beat Steve Cunningham before leaving the division.

If you were odds making, what prices would you have if Haye had fought Cunningham?

Come on Z, you know as well as I do that Haye would murder Mr. 'USS Spoiler'...

[meetthefeebles]

MTF.. I love your sig:lol:

Brother LOK- this is one of the few Euro's we agree on.

When Haye ICES the next HW he fights, I'll be starting the bandwagon. I trust you will be in? :dunno:

[LOK]

Brother LOK- this is one of the few Euro's we agree on.

When Haye ICES the next HW he fights, I'll be starting the bandwagon. I trust you will be in? :dunno:

I am IN baby!!

and honestly.. that fight in your sig is one of the reasons I'm againest Joe C and father team, his comments on that fight rank up there with the all time ridiculous things ever said in boxing:lol:

[meetthefeebles]

I am IN baby!!

and honestly.. that fight in your sig is one of the reasons I'm againest Joe C and father team, his comments on that fight rank up there with the all time ridiculous things ever said in boxing:lol:

Make no mistake about it- Enzo Calzaghe is a BUM.

Honestly, if you'd given Joe a proper trainer, he'd be miles better than he is now. And no mistake.

Make no bones about it. I am a HUGE Haye fan. Bonin lasted 2.30 mins. Once I see Haye ready for HW action, I'll be starting the official 'Fightbeat' Bandwagon. Those who miss out, frankly, miss out BIG time...

WAR HAYE :slap:

[mikE]

Gomez was good but how good of a boxer can you remain when you're a fall down drunk who likes to snort cocaine and parties his life away?

I'm not sure. Ask Pryor.

[StingerKarl]

David Haye is awesome, great potential at heavyweight.

[KaukipRrr]

The most overhyped unproven fighters need to be knocked out I'm afraid, Miranda was one, Andy Lee was another,... and now we have David Haye, the apparent undisputed heavyweight champion in advance,.. I remember the brits busting a nut when he first turned pro, "nobody stands a chance!", "this guy is so so awesome!", and along comes little Carl Thompson. Be ready for some De Ja Vu if he steps it up at heavyweight.

[LATIN KING]

I wanna see David Haye dominate the heavyweights :warning:

[TKO]

even mentions the best heavyweight on the planet right now.

I understand the heavyweight division is rather weak at the moment. But this just leaves it wide open for a new young talent to make a name for himself by cleaning it up.

A lot of threads about Calzaghe and Hopkins, Cotto and Margarito but nothing about the new star in the heavyweight division.

What is the matter with you guys? Do you even watch heavyweight boxing anymore or are you just into the little guys?

I want to know why no one mentions David Haye. This guy is on the verge of steam rolling through the heavyweight divison and not a peep has been heard about it here.

I OBJECT!


That has nothing got to do with the state of this forum, the HW's are a complete joke, the majority are fat messes that don't even train, did you watch Wlad's last fight?
Watching paint dry is more exciting.

As for Haye he is good and I look forward to see how he does at HW. You say he's on the verge of steam rolling the division he could also be on the verge of getting KO big style.

What happened to Enzo could easily have happened to Haye. He is exciting but open to be caught out at HW.

[LOK]

As for Haye he is good and I look forward to see how he does at HW. You say he's on the verge of steam rolling the division he could also be on the verge of getting KO big style.

What happened to Enzo could easily have happened to Haye. He is exciting but open to be caught out at HW.

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great post

you are right, he could steam roll or he might just get steam rolled! we do not know if he can hang yet or not.. offensivly he looks pretty good but he could have a glass jaw:dunno:

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The most overhyped unproven fighters need to be knocked out I'm afraid, Miranda was one, Andy Lee was another,... and now we have David Haye, the apparent undisputed heavyweight champion in advance,.. I remember the brits busting a nut when he first turned pro, "nobody stands a chance!", "this guy is so so awesome!", and along comes little Carl Thompson. Be ready for some De Ja Vu if he steps it up at heavyweight.

David Haye has actually been crowned a champ. Comparing him to the likes of Miranda and especially Lee just doesn't fit.

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great post

you are right, he could steam roll or he might just get steam rolled! we do not know if he can hang yet or not.. offensivly he looks pretty good but he could have a glass jaw:dunno:


Indeed we will have to wait and see, one thing for sure is he will bring back some much needed excitment to the division.

It's kinda known that Haye's chin is not the best.

[KaukipRrr]

David Haye has actually been crowned a champ. Comparing him to the likes of Miranda and especially Lee just doesn't fit.

It does actually cs um, Miranda knocked out a scrub or two, and the messageboard claimed if Kessler or any other top gun at supermiddleweight wants to prove themselves as the best, they gotta go through him. Too much reward brewed on sensationalism (usually from the sight of handspeed, power, or both), David Haye's been knighted the same, more or less,.. "He will DESTROY the entire heavyweight division" ....because he put down Macancrelilliluo(sp?)... there's nothing else that needs to be said about that really :nono: .

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It does actually cs um, Miranda knocked out a scrub or two, and the messageboard claimed if Kessler or any other top gun at supermiddleweight wants to prove themselves as the best, they gotta go through him. Too much reward brewed on sensationalism (usually from the sight of handspeed, power, or both), David Haye's been knighted the same, more or less,.. "He will DESTROY the entire heavyweight division" ....because he put down Macancrelilliluo(sp?)... there's nothing else that needs to be said about that really :nono: .

The point is that Haye is a much better fighter than Miranda and some Irish bum. Comparing them is like comparing ODLH to JCC Jr. because they are both mexican.

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The point is that Haye is a much better fighter than Miranda and some Irish bum. Comparing them is like comparing ODLH to JCC Jr. because they are both mexican.


Wasn't Dela born in the states...:stir:

[KaukipRrr]

The point is that Haye is a much better fighter than Miranda and some Irish bum. Comparing them is like comparing ODLH to JCC Jr. because they are both mexican.

Im talking about undeserved sensationalism, he may be better than Miranda and Andy Lee,.. but on what evidence does he annihilate the heavyweight division??.. Against a certain kind of soft opponent, anyone can look like a monster, especially an opponent at cruiserweight, Haye strikes me as a "bully" fighter, survive the early storm, and you've got him, against fully fledged heavyweight there will be plenty of fighters who'll be surviving early.

[Double L]

even mentions the best heavyweight on the planet right now.

I understand the heavyweight division is rather weak at the moment. But this just leaves it wide open for a new young talent to make a name for himself by cleaning it up.

A lot of threads about Calzaghe and Hopkins, Cotto and Margarito but nothing about the new star in the heavyweight division.

What is the matter with you guys? Do you even watch heavyweight boxing anymore or are you just into the little guys?

I want to know why no one mentions David Haye. This guy is on the verge of steam rolling through the heavyweight divison and not a peep has been heard about it here.

I OBJECT!

cause he's a grappling stink-bomb ever since Sanders did him in and he joined up with Steward. He's boring az hell to watch and the only reason i watch his fights is for the possibility to see him get KTFO.

[Der Tiger]

It does actually cs um, Miranda knocked out a scrub or two, and the messageboard claimed if Kessler or any other top gun at supermiddleweight wants to prove themselves as the best, they gotta go through him. Too much reward brewed on sensationalism (usually from the sight of handspeed, power, or both), David Haye's been knighted the same, more or less,.. "He will DESTROY the entire heavyweight division" ....because he put down Macancrelilliluo(sp?)... there's nothing else that needs to be said about that really :nono: .

Um, he also knocked out the unified CW champ Mormeck, thats the real claim to fame, not his blowout of Enzo. He's a legit champion at CW regardless of hyperbole concerning his HW prospects

[*Z*]

Um, he also knocked out the unified CW champ Mormeck, thats the real claim to fame, not his blowout of Enzo. He's a legit champion at CW regardless of hyperbole concerning his HW prospects

Exactly. He's a good Cruiserweight, and in no way does that mean he's going to have the same success at HW.

[LOK]

Indeed we will have to wait and see, one thing for sure is he will bring back some much needed excitment to the division.

It's kinda known that Haye's chin is not the best.

so he'll prolly KO some bums in the 1st then step up and get stretched:lol:

[meetthefeebles]

Im talking about undeserved sensationalism, he may be better than Miranda and Andy Lee,.. but on what evidence does he annihilate the heavyweight division??.. Against a certain kind of soft opponent, anyone can look like a monster, especially an opponent at cruiserweight, Haye strikes me as a "bully" fighter, survive the early storm, and you've got him, against fully fledged heavyweight there will be plenty of fighters who'll be surviving early.

Try telling that to Mormeck, who KD Haye in the 4th and then got stretched in the seventh. Right about the time that Haye was supposed to be getting tired...:rolleyes:

[meetthefeebles]

Exactly. He's a good Cruiserweight, and in no way does that mean he's going to have the same success at HW.

Actually, he's an excellent cruiser-weight, but you are right. There is no guarantee that he succeeds at HW.

Much of the 'hype' (if you can really call it that) probably stems from the hope, more than anything else, that he can liven up the undoubted worst division in boxing and possibly the worst set of HW's in history. In any decent time for the supposed 'glamour division', nobody would be talking about him other than noting that the best CW in the world has chosen to follow Holy and fight at HW.

If nothing else, and even if he gets ICED, at least he'll go down punching. You're unlikely to see any of this 'power parrying' of jabs or 'three right hands thrown in 12 rounds'...:shit:

[KaukipRrr]

Um, he also knocked out the unified CW champ Mormeck, thats the real claim to fame, not his blowout of Enzo. He's a legit champion at CW regardless of hyperbole concerning his HW prospects

Yes fine, he is a legit cruiserweight champ, but less we forget that O'neil Bell knocked Mormeck out too, and was apparently hard done by in the rematch, so that doesn't seem to be much of a reference for annointing Haye the undisputed heavyweight champion in advance either.