View Full Version : Pac, Diaz, or Katsidis next for Hatton after Paulie.
Xplosive
05-27-2008, 10:38 AM
I just read on Boxscene, that if Hatton beats Paulie(no guarantee) that instead of heading straight to a Floyd rematch, they'd like him to face either Pac, or the Diaz-Katsdidis winner. Thoughts?
Seems as if GB is trying to milk Ricky for everything he has left, before they cash him out, and let Floyd ass rape him again. And this doesnt benefit Ricky at all, cause assuming he does get past these next two fights(which he might not) it'll be even MORE wear and tear on him for Floyd.
On a separate note, I'm REALLY loving in the idea of Diaz-Katsidis. I'll be praying that Katsidis beats the fuck outta Juanita!
royyjonesjrp4pno1
05-27-2008, 11:55 AM
Diaz-Katsidis. Wow. That is going to be an amazing fight. Its a shame that fighters as entertaining as these guys will be held to death against Vicky.
On a posotive note Mayweather will have to fight Cotto because he will be the biggest money fight out there after the Golden Boy rematch.
I cant see anyone smaller than Ricky giving him to much trouble.
royyjonesjrp4pno1
05-27-2008, 12:07 PM
I cant see anyone smaller than Ricky giving him to much trouble.
With a real ref Campbell, JMM and Pac would all give him huge trouble.
Xplosive
05-27-2008, 12:08 PM
I cant see anyone smaller than Ricky giving him to much trouble.
Lazcano was a career lightweight. But I would favor Ricky over Diaz & Katsidis. But I think Katsidis is a tougher fight for Hatton, because Kat can punch. I think even this faded Hatton would beat the powder punching Juanita.
As for Pac, I dunno. Lets see how he looks against Diaz. 140 might be too much for him, weight wise. If he was able to carry his speed, and power up to 140, I see no reason why he wouldnt blast Hatton to hell.
After being rocked pretty bad by Lazcano twice, you're damn right Hatton will be lookng to fight smaller men.
Joe King
05-27-2008, 12:10 PM
After being rocked pretty bad by Lazcano twice, you're damn right Hatton will be lookng to fight smaller men.
:atu::cheer:
With a real ref Campbell, JMM and Pac would all give him huge trouble.
Hatton would destroy Campbell the other guys would depend on the weight factor and how they dealt with it.
Xplosive
05-27-2008, 12:12 PM
After being rocked pretty bad by Lazcano twice, you're damn right Hatton will be lookng to fight smaller men.
Smaller men who cant punch. Meaning, Diaz must be the front-runner. Assuming he gets past Kat, which he might not.
Xplosive
05-27-2008, 12:14 PM
Hatton would destroy Campbell the other guys would depend on the weight factor and how they dealt with it.
Hatton wouldnt "destroy" any top fighter at this point. He'd probably beat Campbell, but it wouldnt be a blow out. Campbell is better than Lazcano. I think many of yall are underrestimating just how past it Hatton is.
royyjonesjrp4pno1
05-27-2008, 12:14 PM
Smaller men who cant punch. Meaning, Diaz must be the front-runner. Assuming he gets past Kat, which he might not.
Diaz could outwork Hatton. If the ref stops the clinching so Diaz can get off a high output he would win. Vicky can't throw 100 punches per round like Nate just did.
Xplosive
05-27-2008, 01:14 PM
Diaz could outwork Hatton. If the ref stops the clinching so Diaz can get off a high output he would win. Vicky can't throw 100 punches per round like Nate just did.
Hmmm.... now that I think bout it more, that is possible. Pre-Mayweather, I'd have given Juan NO shot whatsoever, but it seems Floyd took alot out of Ricky, in addition to his lifestyle. Diaz outworking Hatton now is a possible scenario. Yet at the same time, lets see how Diaz rebounds after the Campbell loss. Diaz, just like Hatton, has a style that has no longevity. But Juan is still in his mid 20's, unlike Hatton, so I think Diaz has about another year or so as a major player. However, Diaz depends on being able to bully opponents, and against Hatton he would be at a strength disadvantage.
Lets see how Diaz fares vs Katsidis first, before we start speculating how he would fare against Hatton.
Joe King
05-27-2008, 01:17 PM
Hatton's main strength has been his workrate. I'm guessing if he meets someone else with a high punch output, he'll fold and no Attraction, it's NOT WITTER.
Hatton wouldnt "destroy" any top fighter at this point. He'd probably beat Campbell, but it wouldnt be a blow out. Campbell is better than Lazcano. I think many of yall are underrestimating just how past it Hatton is.
Nobody in his division can touch him and he's past it...:notallthere:
Lazcano was holding on in the last rounds, Hatton would KO campbell.
Double L
05-27-2008, 01:41 PM
So Hatton is now on the Jermain Taylor road to defending his belt? How exciting.
Nobody in his division can touch him and he's past it...:notallthere:
Lazcano was holding on in the last rounds, Hatton would KO campbell.
Campbell is a far better fighter than Lazcano and Hatton couldn't even stop him. Hatton was holding on for dear life int he 8th and 10th round.
Campbell is a far better fighter than Lazcano and Hatton couldn't even stop him. Hatton was holding on for dear life int he 8th and 10th round.
Hatton goes all out and get caught sometimes so what it's more exciting to watch than jab run jab resulting in a wide boring UD, Lazcano was almost out on his feet.
meetthefeebles
05-27-2008, 02:01 PM
Hmmm.... now that I think bout it more, that is possible. Pre-Mayweather, I'd have given Juan NO shot whatsoever, but it seems Floyd took alot out of Ricky, in addition to his lifestyle. Diaz outworking Hatton now is a possible scenario. Yet at the same time, lets see how Diaz rebounds after the Campbell loss. Diaz, just like Hatton, has a style that has no longevity. But Juan is still in his mid 20's, unlike Hatton, so I think Diaz has about another year or so as a major player. However, Diaz depends on being able to bully opponents, and against Hatton he would be at a strength disadvantage.
Lets see how Diaz fares vs Katsidis first, before we start speculating how he would fare against Hatton.
Juan Diaz has no chance whatsoever of beating even this diminished version of Hatton, and I am one of those who told everyone how much Hatton had diminished BEFORE the Lazcano fight.
Hatton is in decline, but I'd still pick him to beat anyone at 140 in the next 6-12 months. The way to beat this version of Hatton is to be slick enough to catch him as he bulls in AND to be heavy handed enough to hurt him sufficiently to discourage him from trying to bull in.
Juan Diaz has neither of these traits, in fact, he is by consensus, incredibly feather fisted. Hatton would walk straight through him and fold him up inside.
I don't think this fight ever gets beyond MM status, because I'll confidently pick Katsidis to stop Diaz when they fight anyway. Katsidis can't defend for shit, but he punches like a motherfucker and he'll walk Diaz down and stop him late.
MTF
Attraction
05-27-2008, 02:14 PM
Juan Diaz has no chance whatsoever of beating even this diminished version of Hatton, and I am one of those who told everyone how much Hatton had diminished BEFORE the Lazcano fight.
Hatton is in decline, but I'd still pick him to beat anyone at 140 in the next 6-12 months. The way to beat this version of Hatton is to be slick enough to catch him as he bulls in AND to be heavy handed enough to hurt him sufficiently to discourage him from trying to bull in.
Juan Diaz has neither of these traits, in fact, he is by consensus, incredibly feather fisted. Hatton would walk straight through him and fold him up inside.
I don't think this fight ever gets beyond MM status, because I'll confidently pick Katsidis to stop Diaz when they fight anyway. Katsidis can't defend for shit, but he punches like a motherfucker and he'll walk Diaz down and stop him late.
MTF
Agree on most points here. Katsidis will stop Diaz late.
There is another way to bet Hatton and that would be to totally outman him. Something Cotto would have done at 140. Something that both him and Margarito would do now. I presume Cintron would do it too.
But the real weakness for Hatton is indeed a slick fighter and thats why he avoids them as best he can.
Mitchell Kane
05-27-2008, 02:19 PM
Juan Diaz has no chance whatsoever of beating even this diminished version of Hatton, and I am one of those who told everyone how much Hatton had diminished BEFORE the Lazcano fight.
Hatton is in decline, but I'd still pick him to beat anyone at 140 in the next 6-12 months. The way to beat this version of Hatton is to be slick enough to catch him as he bulls in AND to be heavy handed enough to hurt him sufficiently to discourage him from trying to bull in.
Juan Diaz has neither of these traits, in fact, he is by consensus, incredibly feather fisted. Hatton would walk straight through him and fold him up inside.
I don't think this fight ever gets beyond MM status, because I'll confidently pick Katsidis to stop Diaz when they fight anyway. Katsidis can't defend for shit, but he punches like a motherfucker and he'll walk Diaz down and stop him late.
MTF
I think that 6-12 months depends on who he's going to fight...or who he's likely to fight.
Based on who he's likely to fight, he might be able to go that long without losing.
It's safe to say "anyone" when he probably won't fight most of the guys in the top 5. Malignaggi's probably the weakest top 5'er, IMO. He barely got past Ngoudjo.
Alabama_Man
05-27-2008, 02:36 PM
Hatton was out on his feet against Lazcano until the ref ILLEGALLY stopped the fight to give Ricky a minute to recover his balance.
Hatton is a fraud and always has been. His fight against Lazcano just solidified that. I hope he fights Floyd again so he can bash his stupid head into the ring post again. :laughing:
Hatton was out on his feet against Lazcano until the ref ILLEGALLY stopped the fight to give Ricky a minute to recover his balance.
Hatton is a fraud and always has been. His fight against Lazcano just solidified that. I hope he fights Floyd again so he can bash his stupid head into the ring post again. :laughing:
:doh: you're on a roll.
meetthefeebles
05-27-2008, 02:40 PM
I think that 6-12 months depends on who he's going to fight...or who he's likely to fight.
Based on who he's likely to fight, he might be able to go that long without losing.
It's safe to say "anyone" when he probably won't fight most of the guys in the top 5. Malignaggi's probably the weakest top 5'er, IMO. He barely got past Ngoudjo.
I think he'll fight Paulie, one other guy and then take a cash out fight and go. Sadly for those of us who actually follow Hatton's career, he seems hell bent on getting his ass KTFO by Floyd again. :doh:
In any event, I can't see him fighting any longer than 12 more months. I think he's only still fighting now because he doesn't want to do a 'Hamed' and quit after losing his '0' in spectacular fashion.
Mitchell Kane
05-27-2008, 02:48 PM
I think he'll fight Paulie, one other guy and then take a cash out fight and go. Sadly for those of us who actually follow Hatton's career, he seems hell bent on getting his ass KTFO by Floyd again. :doh:
In any event, I can't see him fighting any longer than 12 more months. I think he's only still fighting now because he doesn't want to do a 'Hamed' and quit after losing his '0' in spectacular fashion.
Well, Hatton's put in a lot of hard work in his career. He has a very hard style to maintain, so I'm not surprised that at the tail end of his career he wants to get paid.
I think Malignaggi is a relatively safe fight toward that eventual 'pay day" against Mayweather (if it happens).
Better to take the money to lose to Mayweather than a lesser fighter for a lot less money. If it happens in England and he can get away with a bit more rough stuff maybe he mitigates some of the damage and perhaps lasts the distance. I still think he could've gone the route against Mayweather if he had the mindset for it.
ElTerriblee
05-27-2008, 03:00 PM
Agree on most points here. Katsidis will stop Diaz late.
:laughing:
I see another "I´m broke"-thread in the near future.
Joe King
05-27-2008, 06:48 PM
:laughing:
I see another "I´m broke"-thread in the near future.
Remember, his system never loses! He pressed the wrong button:lol:
Erratic
05-27-2008, 07:07 PM
I think he'll fight Paulie, one other guy and then take a cash out fight and go. Sadly for those of us who actually follow Hatton's career, he seems hell bent on getting his ass KTFO by Floyd again. :doh:
In any event, I can't see him fighting any longer than 12 more months. I think he's only still fighting now because he doesn't want to do a 'Hamed' and quit after losing his '0' in spectacular fashion.
I don't know, I'm always skeptical about fighters talking about their career winding down and how they will retire.
In addition to the money, they often later speak about how they miss the adrenaline rush and the crowd cheering for them. Hatton has an amazing fan base, it's hard to picture him walking away from the sport unless he's old and sucks, like most fighters when they hang them up for good.
Better to take the money to lose to Mayweather than a lesser fighter for a lot less money. If it happens in England and he can get away with a bit more rough stuff maybe he mitigates some of the damage and perhaps lasts the distance. I still think he could've gone the route against Mayweather if he had the mindset for it.
I'm still highly skeptical about Mayweather's willingness to go to the U.K. and fight Hatton. I'm wondering if he's just using it as leverage for negotiations in a Cotto fight, unless the rematch is to take place in Vegas again then I think he'd fight Hatton again.
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