Predictions for tonight?

[mexican wedding shirt]

I say Jackson in 2, after pretty much dominating Forest.

[steve_dave]

Why doesn't anyone care about this fight? Is it really that big of a mismatch?

[mexican wedding shirt]

That's what I was thinking.

I mean, I am picking Jackson to win, but let's not forget Forest DID beat Shogun, who beat the absolute shit out of jackson.

So it's not a complete mismatch, Forest has a chance, I just think Jackson is that little bit better at everything, and I don't think Forest's chin holds up.

I am surprised there isn't already a thread about this, and I am surprised you're the only person to reply to this one :lol:

[steve_dave]

That's what I was thinking.

I mean, I am picking Jackson to win, but let's not forget Forest DID beat Shogun, who beat the absolute shit out of jackson.

So it's not a complete mismatch, Forest has a chance, I just think Jackson is that little bit better at everything, and I don't think Forest's chin holds up.

I am surprised there isn't already a thread about this, and I am surprised you're the only person to reply to this one :lol:

Other than watching by boy GSP, I haven't looked forward to an MMA fight this much in a while. Even if Forrest gets his ass kicked he ALWAYS comes to fight.

And I thought he looked awesome against Shogun... I thought it was cool when he watched the clock and waited for the end to sink the choke in to finish him.

Either way, this fight should be fun no matter what happens.

[TKO]

I think Forest will take him the distance- Griffen is a solid fighter I dont think its a big mismatch at all.

Really looking forward to Rampage's interview after the fight - -that dude cracks me up.

[Bob N. Weave]

Jackson TKO 1

[Beyond the Grave]

Griffen=Gonzaga

[atomicdOGg34]

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0704/mma_jackson_griffin2_sw_412.jpg

griffen is a big boy, tough fucker too

itll be a good scrap, def not a blow out

[TFK]

Griffin by decision.


TFK

[valdosta]

That's what I was thinking.

I mean, I am picking Jackson to win, but let's not forget Forest DID beat Shogun, who beat the absolute shit out of jackson.

So it's not a complete mismatch, Forest has a chance, I just think Jackson is that little bit better at everything, and I don't think Forest's chin holds up.

I am surprised there isn't already a thread about this, and I am surprised you're the only person to reply to this one :lol:

Griffen's win over Shogun meant jack shit concerning this fight. Jackson won;t be coming into this fight in the type of condition that Shogun did.

[valdosta]

Oh and yeah Griffen gets smashed tonight. Mismatch.

[Hut*Hut]

I have no idea why cause it defies all logic, but I fancy Griffin to pull off the upset.

[TKO]

I have no idea why cause it defies all logic, but I fancy Griffin to pull off the upset.

To be honest I wouldn't be that shocked if he did. Griffin is a big tough SOB.

[TKO]

What do guys think about the Almeida fight ?

[Buddy Rydell]

Jackson in 3. Ref stops it.

[Azazel]

I agree completely with Valdosta, Shogun was in terrible shape for the Griffen fight, props to Forrest for pulling the win but I am still not convinced about him, Rampage should dominate him IMO

[Buddy Rydell]

Aurelio vs. Griffin is first.

[mexican wedding shirt]

I agree completely with Valdosta, Shogun was in terrible shape for the Griffen fight, props to Forrest for pulling the win but I am still not convinced about him, Rampage should dominate him IMO

Don't get me wrong, I agree with val too, and I too am picking jacko to pretty much dominate him. BUT I think if he was a complete bum even an out of shape Rua would have taken him out.

[Azazel]

Don't get me wrong, I agree with val too, and I too am picking jacko to pretty much dominate him. BUT I think if he was a complete bum even an out of shape Rua would have taken him out.

I dont think hes a bum, hes very tough and determined, but he s also very limited, I think he ll make a fight out of it but will get the worst of it by quite a margin

[Buddy Rydell]

Well, Tyson hammers Marcus Aurelio, and Koscheck scalps Lytle. Now Stevenson is gonna fight Tibau.

[Azazel]

up untill now, its been a fucking boring card, maybe Griffen and Rampage can save it.

[Azazel]

Forrest had a huge round 2 but now Rampage is getting himself back

[Azazel]

good 4th for Rampage, didnt see round 1 but this fight is gonna be close on the scorecard

[Azazel]

close 5th round, close fight, the announcer seems to say that Rampage won the 1st, if he did, I think he should win

[Azazel]

But the 2nd round could be 10-8 and the 5th could really go either way, Id probably gave it to Griffen

[mexican wedding shirt]

I thought forest won the 5th fairly clear. I think he won. I am surprised, Griffin did great, and I think Rampage underestimated him a bit.

[Azazel]

Forrest won but by ridiculous scoring, joke judging

[Buddy Rydell]

Smart fight by Forrest. He invested in those leg kicks, and he won. He deserves a lot of respect for toughing it out against a good puncher. Leg kicks and angles won it for him.

[valdosta]

I thought Jackson won rounds 1,3 and 4 pretty clean. At best Griffen deserved a draw.

[mexican wedding shirt]

Forrest won but by ridiculous scoring, joke judging

Really? What were the scores? My stream cut out right after the fight ended.

[LOK]

forrest blows and should retire and go wash dishes in Germany

[Buddy Rydell]

forrest blows and should retire and go wash dishes in Germany

Is there a shortage of good dishwashers in Germany, Lok?

I thought Forrest took it in terms of shots landed in the second, fourth, and fifth. I'll have to watch it again.

[Azazel]

:nono::nono:Forrest MAY have won the 3rd, but certainly not the 4th

[Azazel]

I thought Jackson won rounds 1,3 and 4 pretty clean. At best Griffen deserved a draw.

Same here, except the 1st round wich I didnt see

[valdosta]

:nono::nono:Forrest may have won the 3rd, but certainly not the 4th

he didn't win 3 or 4. He won 2 and 5. I can see scoring round 2 10-8 and the fight being a draw.

[valdosta]

Same here, except the 1st round wich I didnt see

Round 1 nobody would score for griffin. He got dropped pretty good.

[Buddy Rydell]

:nono::nono:Forrest may have won the 3rd, but certainly not the 4th

Like I said, I would have to watch it again, but it seemed that a lot of Rampage shots were hitting arms or shoulders but not the head. The crowd might have influenced peoples perceptions because they ooed and aahed at everything Rampage did.

[Azazel]

WTF, if you add the judges card round by round, you get a split draw

Round 1
The fighters trade punches at the sound of the bell with nothing connecting solid. Griffin gets the action started with a right hand lead that lands. Griffin is working the lead leg of Jackson early with low kicks. A left hook from the champion finds its target. Griffin jabs with his left and goes back to Jackson's leg with a kick. A punching flurry punctuated by powerful left staggers Griffin. The challenger comes forward however, glancing a right straight and a low kick. A right uppercut counter collapsesGriffin to the canvas. Rampage enters Griffin's guard and moves him to the cage. Right hands land for Jackson as Forrest stood. Excellent opening frame.

TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Jackson

Round 2
Griffin lands a low kick that hurts Jackson. His knee buckles as he retreats to the fencing. Griffin locks on a guillotine and trips Jackson to the canvas. He gives up the hold but takes top position. The challenger moves to side-control and works for an Americana. He gives up the submission to take the mount. Elbows and left hands land for Griffin. Forrest continues to elbow the head but he is doing little damage. All Griffin in the second frame.

TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Griffin
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-8 Griffin
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-8 Griffin

Round 3
Griffin continues his assault on Jackson's left leg. Jackson is avoiding the majority of the incoming low kicks, but a few are getting through. Jackson, limping badly, is looking for a knockout punch. He hurts Griffin with a right hand but is now too slow to follow through. Griffin plays it smart by sticking and moving. Jackson tries to rally late in the round with a combination started with a right hook to the body. Griffin takes a bit of punishment but moves away.

TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Griffin

Round 4
Jackson gets a takedown but is caught in a triangle. Griffin has the hold secured but he can't control Jackson's trapped arm. Jackson escapes but finds himself fighting an omaplata. The champion stands and lands a hard right hand on the now bleeding challenger. Forrest, dripping crimson fluid below his right eye, gets hit with a strong left right as the round closed.

TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Jackson



Round 5
The fifth and final round starts with both fighters looking for a big punch. Griffin gets the best of early action with a right straight. Griffin goes back to the leg with a kick after tasting a right hook. Jackson turns it up a bit with a strong flurry. In the bout's final minute, Griffin went to the leg while Jackson loaded up with shots. Jackson was unable to connect as the close fight came to a close.

TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Griffin
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Griffin

The official judges score the bout 48-46, 48-46 and 49-46 for Forrest Griffin.

probably a sherdog fuckup

[Beyond the Grave]

That decision was pretty bad. ...........UD!? LMAO!!!!


Like Valdosta said,Griffen deserved a draw at best.

[mexican wedding shirt]

I still can't believe Forrest won.

I really thought rampage was just going to crush him, I thought he was in another league.

Even as I was watching, and forrest was doing very well, I kept thinking anytime now Rampage is just going to land a vicious hook or uppercut and forrest is going to be out.

Who would you pick in a rematch?

Credit to forrest, he really he is an overachiever, but I do think from start to finish rampage looked a little lethargic and disinterested, I think he took forrest lightly.

[TKO]

Sour grape - Forrest deserved that win - I think Rampage underestimated him, why I do not know.

Disappointed that Almeida lost - I think Ricardo V Silva would be a great fight.

[steve_dave]

You guys kidding? Forrest won that fight pretty clearly.

It's too bad MMA has using the same scoring system as boxing, because it doesn't really tell the story of a five round fight.

Forrest was controlling the action for at LEAST 20 of the 25 minutes they were in the octagon together.

He clearly won every second of round one, until he got caught with the uppercut. Fair, after that you have to give it to Rampage.

He dominated round 2.

From a boxing stand-point, and they use boxing scoring, I thought Forrest won round 3. He did all the work and Rampage basically just stood there except for a couple of flurries.

Rampage won round 4.

Both 3 and 4 were close.

Round 5 wasn't close at all, Rampage just stood there for five minutes.

[Beyond the Grave]

Opinions aside.I think forrest will lose it in his next defense.

[steve_dave]

I would also like to point out that this is further proof that all of these guys are pretty crappy.

[Bob N. Weave]

I would also like to point out that this is further proof that all of these guys are pretty crappy.

All of what guys?

[steve_dave]

All of what guys?

Mixed martial artists.

[Bob N. Weave]

Mixed martial artists.
That is an ignorant post.

[Breeze]

I had Rampage winning close but clearly .

I had him winning rounds 1,3,4.

The UFC wanted Forrest to win though, a unanimous decision? I don't think so.

[steve_dave]

That is an ignorant post.

It's just a kinda-sport, with mid-level athletes. There are two or three guys out there who are awesome. Most of these guys are ordinary as hell.

[Bob N. Weave]

It's just a kinda-sport, with mid-level athletes. There are two or three guys out there who are awesome. Most of these guys are ordinary as hell.

Many of these "mid-level" athletes are past olympic and collegiate champions. Please explain your reasoning.

[steve_dave]

Many of these "mid-level" athletes are past olympic and collegiate champions. Please explain your reasoning.

Well I think at the very core, kids who wrestle were shit at other sports. That's why they wrestle.

[Bob N. Weave]

Well I think at the very core, kids who wrestle were shit at other sports. That's why they wrestle.

That is ridiculous. There are different reasons why kids choose certain sports. Many kids enjoy the sport of wrestling because it is offered at a young age at most schools, is combative in nature, and it is an individual sport. I find that wrestling attracts the rough and tumble types than thrive off of the 1 on 1 combat scenario.

Kids who wrestle are shit at other sports....nah.

[steve_dave]

:lol: I'm just being a dick, I don't care enough to actually know anything about wrestling.

[Hitman]

I thought Jackson won rounds 1,3 and 4 pretty clean. At best Griffen deserved a draw.

I agree completely. I thought Rampage won the fight pretty clearly... it was not a dominant performance by any means, and he has himself to blame for being outhustled at times, allowing it to be closer than it should have been .... but he still won the fight

[Tyler Durden]

When will this be replayed?

[mexican wedding shirt]

Steve - I didn't make an effort to score the fight, but overall Forest looked like the winner to me.

He simply did more. And although he was certainly hurt more than Rampage, predictably by punches, don't forget he fucked Rampage's knee up, and beat the shit out of him in the 2nd round.

Of course, what COULD have played a part is that I was expecting Forest to get destroyed, and you often give people more credit than you should when they do much better than expected.

[MAXWELL]

Im more of a rampage fan than forrest, but i think forrest won that one. i think his work rate won him the fight i mean he was bringin it on rampage , but not to the point where he becomes reckless and get in a brawling match w/ rampage.Imo. he was winning even the 1st rd. up untill the time when he got clipped by the uppercut. but i also think that rampage landed the harder shot bec. griffin got stunned almost everytime that rampage gets a good shot off him.

[mexican wedding shirt]

That's pretty much how I feel.

[Trplsec]

Im more of a rampage fan than forrest, but i think forrest won that one. i think his work rate won him the fight i mean he was bringin it on rampage , but not to the point where he becomes reckless and get in a brawling match w/ rampage.Imo. he was winning even the 1st rd. up untill the time when he got clipped by the uppercut. but i also think that rampage landed the harder shot bec. griffin got stunned almost everytime that rampage gets a good shot off him.

Concur. You make a great point about Round 1. Griffin was absolutely winning that round except for the one uppercut by Rampage.

But that was the fight in a nutshell. Griffin doing more, landing more, but Rampage landing the more brutal shots.

Here is my exact scoring

1) 10-10
2) 10-8 Griffin
3) 10-9 Rampage
4) 10-9 Rampage
5) 10-9 Griffin

Total: 48-47 Griffin

I wouldn't argue too much about a Rampage 10-9 first round and an eventual draw. Overall it was a good scrap.

The most telling point is that it seemed Rampage felt he lost, so that's good enough for me.