View Full Version : Didn't see the griffin - rampage fight but... (pics)
Haymaker
07-07-2008, 12:51 AM
http://www.fightnewsextra.com/cc/ufc86/images/images/postfight0807.jpg
http://www.fightnewsextra.com/cc/ufc86/images/images/postfight0776.jpg
Where did Forrest hit Jackson exactly??? :dunno:
mexican wedding shirt
07-07-2008, 01:07 AM
Mainly in the knee :lol:
Those pics certainly don't tell the story of the fight.
http://www.fightnewsextra.com/cc/ufc86/images/images/postfight0807.jpg
http://www.fightnewsextra.com/cc/ufc86/images/images/postfight0776.jpg
Where did Forrest hit Jackson exactly??? :dunno:
Picture rarely tell the story - Rampage obviously hits hard but Forrest won that fight.
BigJohn619
07-07-2008, 03:44 AM
That fight was closer than how the judges had it.
BigJohn619
07-07-2008, 03:47 AM
BTW who is next in line for Griffin now?
Wanderlei? :crafty:
Who cares what their faces look like, if you didn't see the fight there is no reason to make such a thread. Forrest won, it was legit.
Trplsec
07-07-2008, 06:58 AM
Who cares what their faces look like, if you didn't see the fight there is no reason to make such a thread. Forrest won, it was legit.
What's ironic is that this might be the best Griffin's face has ever looked after a fight....
What's ironic is that this might be the best Griffin's face has ever looked after a fight....
That picture was actually taken before the fight.
If Liddell beats Rashad, he'll face Griffen at the end of the year. If Liddell loses, then I'd imagine we'll see a Griffen\Rampage rematch.
TFK
I don't know about you lads but Rampage looked like sh*t to me in that fight. Flat, disinterested and his physique was soft. Not his best level IMO. I guess 9 months off to film a tv show is not the best thing for a champion.
What's ironic is that this might be the best Griffin's face has ever looked after a fight....
:lol:
mexican wedding shirt
07-07-2008, 10:44 AM
I don't know about you lads but Rampage looked like sh*t to me in that fight. Flat, disinterested and his physique was soft. Not his best level IMO. I guess 9 months off to film a tv show is not the best thing for a champion.
I said the same thing in the other thread. It's as disinterested as Rampage has ever looked actually, I think he really underestimated forrest, and just didn't get up for the fight.
I don't want to take credit away from forrest though, he fought VERY well, no doubt about it.
He's not particularly talented, but he really makes the most of what little talent he has.
Trplsec
07-07-2008, 10:50 AM
I said the same thing in the other thread. It's as disinterested as Rampage has ever looked actually, I think he really underestimated forrest, and just didn't get up for the fight.
I don't want to take credit away from forrest though, he fought VERY well, no doubt about it.
He's not particularly talented, but he really makes the most of what little talent he has.
That's why it's hard not to like the guy. He knows he isn't a big puncher. He knows he's not BJJ guy. He knows he's not a former All American wrestler.
He just plain works harder and keeps pushing forward. He is the epitome of a blood and guts warrior.
Seriously, how many people thought the fight was over when Rampage landed that uppercut? I did. The ref almost did. Everyone except Griffin probably thought so. The dude is tough.
He's beaten Shogun. He's beaten Rampage. He got robbed against Ortiz.
I'd say he's pretty talented.
TFK
Beyond the Grave
07-07-2008, 12:47 PM
Who cares what their faces look like, if you didn't see the fight there is no reason to make such a thread. Forrest won, it was legit.
There was nothing legit about those scorecards.Jackson had to Knock him out to leave with that belt......but its cool though,the UFC got what they wanted
There was nothing legit about those scorecards.Jackson had to Knock him out to leave with that belt......but its cool though,the UFC got what they wanted
The right guy got the decision and that's all that matters. Go back to Sherdog with the rest of the whiners if you want to cry about it.
Azazel
07-07-2008, 01:58 PM
There was nothing legit about those scorecards.Jackson had to Knock him out to leave with that belt......but its cool though,the UFC got what they wanted
Exactly, Griffen deserved no more than a draw, not a major robberie to give the win to Forrest, but by those scores ( 49-46 is, without a doubt, corrupt ) :doh::doh: Smells like bullshit from the UFC, no doubt that it's far better for them to have Forrest the champ
Beyond the Grave
07-07-2008, 02:00 PM
The right guy got the decision and that's all that matters. Go back to Sherdog with the rest of the whiners if you want to cry about it.
The UFC got what they wanted,that's all that matters.
Beyond the Grave
07-07-2008, 02:05 PM
Exactly, Griffen deserved no more than a draw, not a major robberie to give the win to Forrest, but by those scores ( 49-46 is, without a doubt, corrupt ) :doh::doh: Smells like bullshit from the UFC, no doubt that it's far better for them to have Forrest the champ
The reaction from the crowd last night said it all.......but the UFC got what they wanted and that's all that matters.
mexican wedding shirt
07-07-2008, 02:15 PM
He's beaten Shogun. He's beaten Rampage. He got robbed against Ortiz.
I'd say he's pretty talented.
TFK
Well actually no it doesn't, and no he isn't, but that's what makes those fights more impressive in a way.
mexican wedding shirt
07-07-2008, 02:17 PM
That's why it's hard not to like the guy. He knows he isn't a big puncher. He knows he's not BJJ guy. He knows he's not a former All American wrestler.
He just plain works harder and keeps pushing forward. He is the epitome of a blood and guts warrior.
Seriously, how many people thought the fight was over when Rampage landed that uppercut? I did. The ref almost did. Everyone except Griffin probably thought so. The dude is tough.
I agree.
I am not even sure why, but for some reason I used to dislike Forrest. Not hate him or anything, I just didn't like him or rate him.
But for the reasons you stated he is the sort of guy that's hard not to like, and he seems like a decent guy too.
And yes I thought the fight was over, AND after that I just kept thinking, it's only a matter of time before Rampage lands another vicious punch and forrest is out of here.
The UFC got what they wanted,that's all that matters.
And what is that? Let me guess, a Tuf'er as the champ right? Dana must have paid the judges off.
LOL! You souund like half of Sherdog right now. Everyone is whining. It was a close fight, I thought Forrest won it and so did the judges. You can't really believe Rampage did enough to win the fight can you? Did you give him a 10-8 first round?
Explain yourself.
Trplsec
07-07-2008, 02:37 PM
Guys, you're letting your bias against White and the UFC cloud your judgement.
That fight was close and could have been scored either way, but it is far, far, far from a robbery. Hell, even Rampage thought he got his ass whupped.
Beside all that, Dana White is all about the cash. In my opinion, and the crowd echoed this, Rampage is the far more marketable champion. His huge slams and KO power have far greater crowd appeal than the workman-like Griffin.
Again, it was a close fight but wasn't fixed.
Well actually no it doesn't, and no he isn't, but that's what makes those fights more impressive in a way.
OK, he beats 2 top 5 205ers in his last 2 fights, but he's not a talented fighter.
Whatever.
TFK
mexican wedding shirt
07-07-2008, 03:52 PM
OK, he beats 2 top 5 205ers in his last 2 fights, but he's not a talented fighter.
Whatever.
TFK
You're a fool if you think he is a talented fighter. Success doesn't equal talent.
You know better than this TFK, you're looking at it from a shallow perspective.
Juan Diaz was a world champion, he is not particularly talented, his greatest asset was workrate and stamina, part of which came from hard work, not raw talent. He also beat Freitas, does that mean he is more talented? No.
Forrest isn't very fast, isn't very powerful, doesn't have amazing reactions, or movement, or defense etc etc. He doesn't have a huge amount of natural talent. He doesn't even have a particularly good chin.
Both Shogun and Rua are more talented fighters, and it's not even arguable.
Forest is gutsy, determined, has decent stamina, is mentally and physically tough, obviously works hard and gives it his all, and has a decent amount of skill too. All of those things don't equal talent.
And like I said, that's what make his wins more impressive, that is not the most naturally talented fighter around.
Azazel
07-07-2008, 04:03 PM
Guys, you're letting your bias against White and the UFC cloud your judgement.
That fight was close and could have been scored either way, but it is far, far, far from a robbery. Hell, even Rampage thought he got his ass whupped.
Beside all that, Dana White is all about the cash. In my opinion, and the crowd echoed this, Rampage is the far more marketable champion. His huge slams and KO power have far greater crowd appeal than the workman-like Griffin.
Again, it was a close fight but wasn't fixed.
Yes it smells fix, not because Forrest won but because of the ridiculous scorecard, and Griffin is more known and far more marketable to the general public that the UFC aims imo, even more considering a Griffin-Liddel match makes a lot more sense, money wise, than any other match save maybe Couture-Fedor.
valdosta
07-07-2008, 04:56 PM
It smells of fucking corruption that ANY "judge" could give Griffen round 1. Sorry but that's a complete and absolute joke. I thought Griffen deserved a draw at best, he didn't win the fight IMO.
valdosta
07-07-2008, 04:57 PM
He's beaten Shogun. He's beaten Rampage. He got robbed against Ortiz.
I'd say he's pretty talented.
TFK
Robbed against Ortiz? He lost 2 of the 3 rounds and round 1 should be 10-8. Griffen lost to Ortiz legit.
Buddy Rydell
07-07-2008, 06:27 PM
What's ironic is that this might be the best Griffin's face has ever looked after a fight....
Or before, for that matter. :lol:
Buddy Rydell
07-07-2008, 06:30 PM
You're a fool if you think he is a talented fighter. Success doesn't equal talent.
You know better than this TFK, you're looking at it from a shallow perspective.
Juan Diaz was a world champion, he is not particularly talented, his greatest asset was workrate and stamina, part of which came from hard work, not raw talent. He also beat Freitas, does that mean he is more talented? No.
Forrest isn't very fast, isn't very powerful, doesn't have amazing reactions, or movement, or defense etc etc. He doesn't have a huge amount of natural talent. He doesn't even have a particularly good chin.
Both Shogun and Rua are more talented fighters, and it's not even arguable.
Forest is gutsy, determined, has decent stamina, is mentally and physically tough, obviously works hard and gives it his all, and has a decent amount of skill too. All of those things don't equal talent.
And like I said, that's what make his wins more impressive, that is not the most naturally talented fighter around.
Actually, Forrest's legkicks are pretty powerful, but he's just not a KO puncher. Rampage IS, but he needs to be able to get the bomb to the detonation site, and Forrest took that away by hammering his lead leg with those kicks. Rampage almost pirouetted from a few of them. :lol:
Buddy Rydell
07-07-2008, 06:31 PM
It smells of fucking corruption that ANY "judge" could give Griffen round 1. Sorry but that's a complete and absolute joke. I thought Griffen deserved a draw at best, he didn't win the fight IMO.
Translation: I lost a lot of money betting on that fight, so I can't give Forrest credit. :lol:
valdosta
07-07-2008, 06:51 PM
Translation: I lost a lot of money betting on that fight, so I can't give Forrest credit. :lol:
I lost nothing on the fight. It's my honest opinion. I'd love to say that Jackson got his ass kicked and lost legit. I have criticized Jackson in the past for some bad decisions he received before as well. This time he got the short end of the stick. Forrest almost got KO'ed in round 1 and he won that round? :laughing:
Breeze
07-07-2008, 09:00 PM
http://www.fightnewsextra.com/cc/ufc86/images/images/postfight0807.jpg
http://www.fightnewsextra.com/cc/ufc86/images/images/postfight0776.jpg
Where did Forrest hit Jackson exactly??? :dunno:
Forrests face is like that because Jackson landed the cleaner more effective shots throughout the fight.
I lost nothing on the fight. It's my honest opinion. I'd love to say that Jackson got his ass kicked and lost legit. I have criticized Jackson in the past for some bad decisions he received before as well. This time he got the short end of the stick. Forrest almost got KO'ed in round 1 and he won that round? :laughing:
Almost so what - If you stun somebody momentarily it doesn't mean you win the round.
Forrest won that fight fair and square and Im not one bit surprised. Rampage took his eye of the ball and paid for.
Deal with it.
valdosta
07-08-2008, 04:40 PM
Almost so what - If you stun somebody momentarily it doesn't mean you win the round.
Forrest won that fight fair and square and Im not one bit surprised. Rampage took his eye of the ball and paid for.
Deal with it.
Stunned? He wasn't stunned he was dropped hard as hell.:laughing: Rampage won rounds 1,3 and 4. Deal with the fact that Forrest got a gift. The fact that any judge gave round 1 to Griffen tells me there was something shady about this fight.
Beyond the Grave
07-08-2008, 07:19 PM
And what is that? Let me guess, a Tuf'er as the champ right? Dana must have paid the judges off.
LOL! You souund like half of Sherdog right now. Everyone is whining. It was a close fight, I thought Forrest won it and so did the judges. You can't really believe Rampage did enough to win the fight can you? Did you give him a 10-8 first round?
Explain yourself.
Actually I had it a draw....but like I said,the UFC got what they wanted..prepare yourself for Liddell vs Griffen lol
BigJohn619
07-08-2008, 11:35 PM
One round I gave to Griffin was round 2. Big. No other way to score that one. The first round Rampage won, and the last round I had Jackson winning.
Actually I had it a draw....but like I said,the UFC got what they wanted..prepare yourself for Liddell vs Griffen lol
I think Griffin vs Liddell is going to happen next too. I just don't think it was some big conspiracy by the UFC to get Chuck his title back like some people think.
steve_dave
07-09-2008, 01:23 PM
One round I gave to Griffin was round 2. Big. No other way to score that one. The first round Rampage won, and the last round I had Jackson winning.
You must have missed the last round.
BigJohn619
07-10-2008, 01:35 AM
You must have missed the last round.
:nono:
I missed the 3rd too
Forrest won the last (deciding) round. He was more active and had Rampage on the back foot.
Rampage got whooped - The man said it himself.
Almost so what - If you stun somebody momentarily it doesn't mean you win the round.
Forrest won that fight fair and square and Im not one bit surprised. Rampage took his eye of the ball and paid for.
Deal with it.
:laughing:
:laughing:
You are a fucking wanker.
steve_dave
07-11-2008, 08:39 AM
Forrest won the last (deciding) round. He was more active and had Rampage on the back foot.
Rampage got whooped - The man said it himself.
Rampage just stood there for five minutes in the 5th.
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